**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 22 02:59:58 2010 Nov 22 03:43:24 wonder when we get a list of hash codes for our GSM Pre 2s Nov 22 03:43:36 I tried a bunch of them from older GSM phones. no dice Nov 22 03:43:45 and with that, going to bed. Getting this thing onto AT&T tomorrow Nov 22 03:44:21 hey, its bnceo Nov 22 03:44:36 good evening sir Nov 22 03:44:47 * oil just got home Nov 22 03:44:55 ya, I see that. Nov 22 03:45:15 forgot my glass at home in NJ. Will get it on Wednesday when I drive up for thanksgiving. no biggie Nov 22 03:46:31 so yeah, Going to bed. exhausted. Driving sucks Nov 22 03:46:41 lataz. back tomorrow Nov 22 03:47:07 later Nov 22 04:13:08 wondering if anyone can help me out with this strange issue I'm having installing the widk on another computer Nov 22 04:13:29 this time it's telling me gettext isn't installed, but apt-get tells me it is installed... Nov 22 04:18:14 rsanchez, ? Nov 22 04:21:53 see I set up the widk on one computer, but now I need to set it up on this one Nov 22 04:22:20 and it's giving me this error on make stage: ./autogen.sh: line 10: autopoint: command not found You need to install gettext Nov 22 04:22:42 so... install gettext? Nov 22 04:22:55 and doing sudo apt-get install gettext tells me gettext is already installed Nov 22 04:23:01 that's what's weird about it Nov 22 04:23:26 the only difference between the computers is this one is ubuntu 10.10 and the other one was 10.04 Nov 22 04:24:10 did you check the versions of gettext? Nov 22 04:25:15 no, which version does the widk require? Nov 22 04:25:32 seems like the one 10.10 hsa :[ Nov 22 04:25:33 *has Nov 22 04:25:42 whatever version the 10.04 has ;) Nov 22 04:25:52 haha whichever one works :/ Nov 22 04:25:57 hehe Nov 22 04:26:04 :( I won't be able to check which version that is until tomorrow Nov 22 04:26:15 sorry rsanchez, not trying to be a dick... i just don't know what ver you need Nov 22 04:26:18 ? should be easy enough to look up ubuntu package versions online? Nov 22 04:26:52 lol no mugen it didn't come across to me as being a dick Nov 22 04:27:02 :) Nov 22 04:27:48 I'm gonna try and install a lower version, see how that works Nov 22 04:29:12 lynx uses gettext (0.17-8ubuntu3) and maverick uses gettext (0.18.1.1-1ubuntu2) Nov 22 04:29:40 try a lower ver, but that'd be odd if installing lower rev worked Nov 22 04:30:07 I have 0.18.1.1-1ubuntu2 Nov 22 04:30:11 yea Nov 22 04:30:20 i guess you can try 0.17 Nov 22 04:30:32 ...but again, that doesn't make sense if it works Nov 22 04:31:01 o\ torchie Nov 22 04:31:20 :D Nov 22 04:41:45 so how many of you guys went to dev day? Nov 22 04:44:14 * oil Nov 22 04:44:31 sugardave, rwhitby Nov 22 04:44:34 haeffb Nov 22 04:44:45 bnceo Nov 22 04:44:53 BMyers (Palmtini, currently) Nov 22 04:44:59 yeah Nov 22 04:49:02 I really wish I had gone Nov 22 04:50:34 * halfhalo has trix cereal Nov 22 04:51:02 * rsanchez1 has apple cinnamon cheerios Nov 22 04:51:07 are you kidding me right now? Nov 22 04:51:17 i _just_ poured a bowl... of trix. Nov 22 04:51:35 I just poured a bowl of apple cinnamon cheerios Nov 22 04:51:40 * halfhalo is psychic Nov 22 04:51:43 :P Nov 22 04:51:47 guess we all have our cereal schedules synchronized Nov 22 04:51:55 hehe Nov 22 04:52:06 is that similar to a group of women? Nov 22 04:52:22 hmm I don't know Nov 22 04:52:44 you think if a group of women hang around each other long enough, they'll start to get *everything* synchronized? Nov 22 04:52:45 Bacon! Nov 22 04:53:02 haha Nov 22 04:53:46 Top gear decent enough Nov 22 04:54:55 the one on history channel that is on right now? Nov 22 04:55:15 Yeah Nov 22 04:55:43 I don't really watch Top Gear for the cars. I watch it to see some British guys be stupid. P: Nov 22 04:56:06 yep, I'm watching that too Nov 22 04:56:14 Jeremy Clarkson's real name is Cletus. @_@ Nov 22 04:56:16 The uk one is better Ruhr now, but I think that will change later on in the season Nov 22 04:56:31 yeah I liked the British one better Nov 22 04:57:07 Well, youugotta remember they have to esplain the parts of the show since it's a new series Nov 22 04:57:12 they probably have the biggest cars in Europe, the guys in Top Gear Nov 22 04:57:45 ugh.. the US version is crap Nov 22 04:57:52 i turned it off after first commercial Nov 22 04:58:48 it won't work... for the simple reason, the british version is publicly funded... so they can talk trash about the cars they feature. the usa version can't... due to the fact companies put money in to the show Nov 22 04:58:59 it just won't be as freeballed as the latter Nov 22 04:59:03 Nov 22 04:59:51 lol what TV in Britain *isn't* pulicly funded? Nov 22 04:59:59 s/pulicly/publicly/ Nov 22 05:00:00 Porn Nov 22 05:00:03 lol Nov 22 05:00:17 haha, another thing European TV has that we don't have in the states Nov 22 05:00:27 yup Nov 22 05:00:47 that's what I call seeing your tax dollars at work Nov 22 05:05:15 that guy was not man enough for his car Nov 22 05:08:12 haha, "that was so fast it changed colors" Nov 22 05:08:27 * rsanchez1 bets 99% of the guys in the Top Gear audience didn't get that Nov 22 05:10:12 oh, how could I forget? hotdp also went to DevDay Nov 22 05:16:07 http://bash.org/?152037 :) Nov 22 05:18:46 haha, that's great Nov 22 05:19:37 :P Nov 22 05:21:58 So so true... Nov 22 05:26:43 oh, and roy was there Nov 22 08:56:04 morning Nov 22 09:30:33 rehi Nov 22 13:18:21 rehi Nov 22 13:31:54 Hi, can some one help me with some answers, i would like to have my Pre 2 from dev day to work in EU. So would like to swap come board with my Pre, but what about paid apps? Nov 22 13:40:18 you have to wait until the people wake up Nov 22 13:40:53 :O Nov 22 14:52:17 I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of pre2s getting opened up today for a little surgery Nov 22 14:52:29 Yes Nov 22 14:52:51 Do someone know if i have to install a new doctor when changing to EU from Ameraic? Nov 22 14:55:35 I spent way too much time traveling yesterday for someone that only lived one state away.. Nov 22 14:56:04 :) Nov 22 14:56:11 i put off the rest of my traveling till Wed - staying an hr outside the city for a cpl extra days Nov 22 14:56:23 worth it though...first time I've ever been to manhattan Nov 22 14:56:44 I couldn't have asked for better weather for site seeing Nov 22 14:57:14 or is it sight seeing? this one seems redundant though.. Nov 22 14:57:49 did you know that the venue was half a block from the first pizza place in the us? Nov 22 14:58:16 that I didn't know Nov 22 14:58:23 if you took spring st 2 streets east past broadway, its right there Nov 22 14:58:33 figures I went west Nov 22 14:58:57 did you make it down to canal st, or just go west on spring / broome? Nov 22 14:59:53 I didn't make it to canal st Nov 22 15:00:19 it was just 2 streets south of broome Nov 22 15:00:42 yeah I see that, I didn't really know where I was going looking for dinner Nov 22 15:01:12 well, we wre close to little italy Nov 22 15:01:17 tons of good places there Nov 22 15:01:30 right on broome was a good brick oven pizza place to, a stones throw from the conf Nov 22 15:01:37 I ended up finding a nice little hole in the wall indian place Nov 22 15:01:55 no canoles there though!! Nov 22 15:02:10 since there isn't any indian food for miles around where I'm from Nov 22 15:03:08 good indian food is hard to come by Nov 22 15:04:02 * Loudergood lives in a rural food wasteland.. Nov 22 15:04:18 im right outside detroit Nov 22 15:04:25 murder capitol of the world! Nov 22 15:11:24 I'm still in awe at the size of grand central terminal Nov 22 15:13:56 yeah, did you see ground zero right near that? Nov 22 15:14:40 the towers were enormous, the open area left behind by them is still huge - its amazing how quickly they were able to clear it all Nov 22 15:15:03 opposite ends of town, but yeah I went down and walked around there Nov 22 15:15:26 there's a good 5-6 buildings going up there now Nov 22 15:17:00 yeah, the original idea was for 1 huge tower in its place Nov 22 15:18:07 what you should do next timeis part over on the NJ side in weehawken, and take the ferry accross Nov 22 15:18:42 you can go up to times square (well, close - 39th street, right accross from lucky strikes pretty much), or to pier 11 which is next to wall street Nov 22 15:18:49 I was tempted to take a ferry Nov 22 15:19:01 I actually took a train in from new haven, ct Nov 22 15:19:26 view from ferry > view from subway :) Nov 22 15:19:45 yeah, i prefer to drive everywhere rater than take trains Nov 22 15:20:00 last time i took a train to toronto, someone jumped in front of it Nov 22 15:20:33 well, I had to drive 250 miles to get to new haven, so I needed the break Nov 22 15:21:38 yeah, it took my about 9hrs to get to where im staying in sussex county in nj, then another hr into the city from here Nov 22 15:22:02 im up in the mountains, so its worth it Nov 22 15:33:21 ugh, thats call 6 from my office this morning..... Nov 22 15:39:08 Hello. I would like to know if there is some updates of webos docotor images for pre 2 ? (especialy unlocked ones..) Nov 22 15:43:29 updates of doctors, as in 2.01? no Nov 22 15:43:35 2.0.0 is up though Nov 22 15:44:20 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre_2_2 Nov 22 15:46:14 Is there someone who nows a little about comm board switch? Nov 22 15:47:48 I tried to watch it in progress, but the crowd was a little too thick Nov 22 15:51:03 When i look under "my devices" at palm it still thinks it is a pre Nov 22 15:51:08 can you delete it there? Nov 22 15:51:14 I get a error when i start up Nov 22 15:51:35 pre2 or pre plus comm board swap? Nov 22 15:51:49 Pre 2 Nov 22 15:51:56 with a Pre EU board Nov 22 15:52:17 did you get the carrier customizations from the 145 doctor? Nov 22 15:52:28 ? Nov 22 15:52:33 Its both GSM btw Nov 22 15:53:22 if theyre both gsm, why do you need to swap the board? the gsm unlocked should just take your sim Nov 22 15:53:43 Yer but the US 3g is different then the EU 3g, Nov 22 15:54:04 indeed Nov 22 15:54:24 well, for that swap you may need to go after the euro 2.0 doctors, for those devices Nov 22 15:54:28 And i want 3g on the Pre 2 :D i think rod said that there would be no problem Nov 22 15:54:37 but im not sure Nov 22 15:54:40 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 how do i get the doctor install? Nov 22 15:54:48 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre_2_2 Nov 22 15:54:52 It says the device is disconneted Nov 22 15:55:04 you need the newer novacom drivers Nov 22 15:55:17 Where do i get them? Nov 22 15:55:20 run the doctor up to where its looking for the device, and it should install them Nov 22 15:55:32 it does not :S Nov 22 15:55:45 try to uninstall the old version first Nov 22 15:55:45 it fails on a OMAP driver Nov 22 15:56:18 sorry but how do i uninstall the drivers`? Nov 22 15:56:54 add remove programs Nov 22 15:57:17 win xp and older, start menu, control panel, add remove programs - vista and 7 its programs and features iirc Nov 22 15:57:26 got win 7 Nov 22 15:57:29 i try Nov 22 15:57:35 it has 1.0.0.64 Nov 22 15:58:23 should i take (P102UEU only) Nov 22 15:58:29 or (P102UEU & P102UNA) Nov 22 15:58:56 on that one, youd have to ask someone more familear w/ the eu radio's Nov 22 15:59:04 ok Nov 22 15:59:07 i try one Nov 22 15:59:32 my guess would be the one w/ dual support - but thats only a guess Nov 22 16:00:43 hmm Nov 22 16:00:54 it says Nov 22 16:01:10 "battery charching" and the "phone diconnected" Nov 22 16:02:36 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 more ideas? Nov 22 16:03:00 youll have to load the phone into recovery mode Nov 22 16:04:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Nov 22 16:05:15 I am in that Nov 22 16:05:21 if not, next is not visible Nov 22 16:06:05 in that case, then youll probably have to wait for someone with a little more knowledge on the subject than me Nov 22 16:06:50 ive done the pre-pre plus swap for sprint, and watched as rod did the pre 2, but your working in a segment i havnt really looked at Nov 22 16:07:11 ok Nov 22 16:07:17 I think i should be the same? Nov 22 16:07:50 But is it because it is confused about beeing something else? Nov 22 16:08:18 not sure - for the sprint pre to pre2, rod had to take a bunch of stuff from the sprint 1.45 doctors and move it into the 2.0 unlocked doctor, with the carrier customizations Nov 22 16:08:32 i dont know if you need some of that for the eu radio, or not Nov 22 16:09:22 :/ Nov 22 16:09:43 But still dont understand why i can't doctor it Nov 22 16:11:01 even in recovery mode, it thinks the device is disconnected? Nov 22 16:11:46 im not sure, i havnt seen it do that to me, you could try unplugging the usb cable and plugging it back in to a different usb port Nov 22 16:12:01 Yer Nov 22 16:12:18 but im not sure of much else to try, w/o having it in front of me to mess w/ Nov 22 16:12:55 There is no other way to "doctor/reset" ? Nov 22 16:13:18 not afaik Nov 22 16:13:25 When i select laungage on the phone now (with the org os) it just says "error" :D Nov 22 16:16:07 i havnt seen that one before, so i dont know how you might fix it :\ Nov 22 16:16:47 that's a descriptive message, thanks programmers! Nov 22 16:17:03 haha Nov 22 16:17:16 it probably has more in the error logs if he could get a terminal on it Nov 22 16:18:04 huuuum Nov 22 16:19:47 budhist priest mediation time 'huuuuum' Nov 22 16:20:09 meditation* Nov 22 16:21:17 ok Nov 22 16:21:22 i dont know Nov 22 16:21:33 I just have a none working pre 2 :S Nov 22 16:22:04 to bad they didnt ask what region you wanted a pre2 for Nov 22 16:23:15 i asked them! Nov 22 16:23:26 And they said that i "should be happy with that one" Nov 22 16:23:36 kind of bad i think they knew there would be 9 countries Nov 22 16:23:44 and you can buy the phone in eu.. Nov 22 16:23:59 not to mention us poor verizon/sprint users ;) Nov 22 16:24:24 thats different Nov 22 16:24:30 you can not buy a CDMA device Nov 22 16:24:36 you can buy the phone in eu Nov 22 16:24:40 that's true Nov 22 16:25:10 <-- poor sprint user Nov 22 16:25:45 I've been debating taking my pre plus apart Nov 22 16:26:58 yeah, ive got several options, i have a sprint pre, att pre plus, and unlocked pre 2 now Nov 22 16:27:53 bbl Nov 22 16:28:07 Do someone know when rwhitby will be back (and online ;) ) ? Nov 22 16:28:14 worst part is i switched to sprint only because they carried palm devices first Nov 22 16:28:33 id assume not today, since jet lag will be killer - hes from australia Nov 22 16:28:34 I've just been on sprint for over a decade Nov 22 16:28:37 haha, I bet that will be awhile..I'm not sure what his travel plans are but that's a looong trip Nov 22 16:28:47 torchie, a little longer than me - 8yrs or so Nov 22 16:29:00 wild ride right Nov 22 16:29:59 yeah, the whole nextel changeover was fun to Nov 22 16:30:03 w/ all the billing mistakes Nov 22 16:30:15 lol Nov 22 16:32:37 Is it a problem that it does not install the OMAP3630 driver? Nov 22 16:33:14 dunno, does it say why? Nov 22 16:33:28 cant find em Nov 22 16:33:40 WOHO Nov 22 16:33:44 something is happening Nov 22 16:33:49 doctor 4% Nov 22 16:34:07 dwocta Nov 22 16:34:19 Strange, the only thing i did was charge the phone at the wall Nov 22 16:34:29 that is odd Nov 22 16:35:13 might be a battery level safety, but idk Nov 22 16:36:30 i really hope i will get the pre 2 to work Nov 22 16:36:34 i REALLY like the device Nov 22 16:39:19 dont we all Nov 22 16:44:39 the device mainly gives us exactly what we had, but better Nov 22 16:44:52 yes and i liked it all Nov 22 16:44:58 better glass on the scree, better camera, better cpu, nice rubbery feel on the outside Nov 22 16:45:26 gorilla glass instead of plastic Nov 22 16:45:32 yup Nov 22 16:45:48 but now it will break like a iphone on drop :o Nov 22 16:45:55 havnt gotten ahold of a gorilla to test it out yet, but im sure someone will :) Nov 22 16:46:03 but you should have seen the display that Phil McKinney is carrying around in his pocket for the NEXT generation of devices in about a year. Nov 22 16:46:48 yeah, thatd be pretty nice Nov 22 16:47:06 printed on milar Nov 22 16:47:19 id coat my entire basement wall in it! Nov 22 16:50:10 omg Nov 22 16:50:18 know the kayboard does not work Nov 22 16:50:19 works? Nov 22 16:50:24 yikes Nov 22 16:50:34 does that have somthing todo with the doctor or is it a cable? Nov 22 16:50:46 did it work before you doctored it? Nov 22 16:50:54 i am not sure.. Nov 22 16:51:02 i think so? Nov 22 16:51:05 then id hope ribbon cable Nov 22 16:51:17 eh? Nov 22 16:51:31 cable connecting the kb in the device Nov 22 16:52:12 You think the cable is disconnected? Nov 22 16:53:22 would be my first guess Nov 22 16:53:41 you dont think it has anything todo with the doctor? Nov 22 16:53:55 its possible it does Nov 22 16:54:13 hmm i dont think you can disconnect that calbe? Nov 22 16:54:17 if you didnt test it before doctoring when you had it booted up, we have no way to know for sure Nov 22 16:55:22 but how could i disconnect it? its like on the print? Nov 22 16:55:36 there are a few ribbon cables in there, if one of them isnt seated right, it could cause issues Nov 22 16:55:52 cable goes from the slider to the CPU board on the display part Nov 22 16:56:39 Rick what does that mean? Nov 22 16:56:50 are you on a pre or a pixie? Nov 22 16:56:56 pre Nov 22 16:56:59 its the location of the ribbon cable that controls the kb Nov 22 16:57:00 pre 2 Nov 22 16:57:15 he got it at dev day and is swapping in a eu comm board Nov 22 16:57:16 the keyboard is attached to a ribbon cable that connects the slider portion of the phone to the comm board of the phone, Nov 22 16:57:20 ahhh Nov 22 16:57:28 then he probably unseated the ribbon cable. Nov 22 16:57:40 i might be stupid Nov 22 16:57:46 "ribbon cable" ? Nov 22 16:57:48 yup Nov 22 16:57:57 http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/pLhHh6JV6AXlCYBO.huge Nov 22 16:58:06 little piece of flexible pc board that has a plug at the end.... Nov 22 16:58:11 http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9822/palm-pre-disassembly-photos/ Nov 22 16:58:38 on the right side of that first big photo, its the little flexible gold thing w/ the black rectangle connector Nov 22 16:58:41 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: (a bit late) thx! Nov 22 16:58:51 np Nov 22 16:59:08 by the way . I also have a pre 2 taht I can't flash with webos doctor (does not detect the phon) Nov 22 16:59:20 what step? Nov 22 16:59:33 it is Why I asked if the updated something new Nov 22 16:59:35 he plugged his into the wall, let it charge a little, and it came up - dunno why, not my area of expertise Nov 22 17:00:20 I tried several time without result . but It was charged(at least a littele bit) Nov 22 17:00:27 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 what image is it? Nov 22 17:00:41 GarthPS mine should be fully changed Nov 22 17:00:47 well, in the one you posted, the center part Nov 22 17:01:09 see the gold part w/ white lines going from the keyboard up onto the metal part w/ the black rectangle on it Nov 22 17:01:13 but as dev tools (novacom etc) does not work here too because of new usb id of th epre 2 Nov 22 17:01:31 that black connector is whats probably loose Nov 22 17:01:38 yes Nov 22 17:01:44 GarthPS, itll install the new drivers when the doctor is up to looking for the device Nov 22 17:01:58 but then i have to dis assemple it ? Nov 22 17:02:02 you may need to uninstall old first Nov 22 17:02:13 i have not removed that one at all Nov 22 17:02:14 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: I did not understand Nov 22 17:02:14 hotdp, yup, youll need to open it back up to reconnect that Nov 22 17:02:31 which drivers? Nov 22 17:02:40 dev tools will work when the new version of novacom is installed by the pre2 doctor Nov 22 17:03:16 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: oh yeah but as wenos doctor does not work.. it will never happen :) Nov 22 17:04:32 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 i dont see how i could unplug that cable? Nov 22 17:04:39 the doctors run fine Nov 22 17:04:48 hotdp, it just pulls up from the board its on Nov 22 17:05:15 i fell totally stupid Nov 22 17:05:20 can you draw or somethung? Nov 22 17:06:41 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/4586341376/in/set-72157624009973040/ Nov 22 17:06:52 thats a photo of exactly the part you need, disconnected Nov 22 17:06:53 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: you have run the doctor with a pre 2 succesfully ? Nov 22 17:07:22 GarthPS, with an unmodified one, yeah, it sees it fine Nov 22 17:07:33 and hotdp did eventually get it to see his and run Nov 22 17:07:33 but i have not disconnected that part of the phone? Nov 22 17:07:42 rod ran it to Nov 22 17:07:58 hotdp, you could easily have knocked it loose getting to the comm board Nov 22 17:08:04 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: which OS do you have ? and did you have to install some thing ? Nov 22 17:08:19 so do you mean it is loose onthe "phone" or the "keyboard" Nov 22 17:08:35 GarthPS, win 7 pro, and didnt have to do anything extra Nov 22 17:08:50 hotdp, probably the phone side of the cable, but check both if you can Nov 22 17:09:20 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: ok thx for your feeedwack! last question : which webos did you download ? Nov 22 17:09:31 hotdp, listen carefully. if you look at the image at http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9822/palm-pre-disassembly-photos/ they keyboard connector is the small plug on the small orange cable at the top left of the big silver plate. Nov 22 17:09:38 i dont really see how i could distach that cable Nov 22 17:10:05 GarthPS, the unlocked ueu & una one Nov 22 17:10:11 http://www.palminfocenter.com/images/palm-pre-guts-2.jpg this photo? Nov 22 17:10:40 yes Nov 22 17:10:44 keyboard side of it is in the bottom right, yes Nov 22 17:11:09 buttom right? Nov 22 17:11:15 the cable that does on the comm board? Nov 22 17:11:17 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: ok I will try this one (before I tried the P102UEU oen corresponding to my carrier , SFR in France) Nov 22 17:12:13 by the way what does P102UEU and P102UNA means? Nov 22 17:12:32 europe and north america release Nov 22 17:14:54 there is no light in the keyboard Nov 22 17:15:02 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: thx :) and Ibet that if the ueu una one work it is because they included new usb id in (as you can see in the url this one date for the 18/11/2010) Nov 22 17:16:01 i still dont know what part of the wire i should check Nov 22 17:16:18 GarthPS, iirc, all the pre 2's have the same usb id Nov 22 17:16:34 hotdp, just check that the connector is down tight, and not up at an angle or just hanging Nov 22 17:16:54 can you mark what connector? Nov 22 17:17:02 on the image? Nov 22 17:17:19 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: yeah yeah It is not what I mean. I wean that the ueu one date from the 1 Nov 22 17:17:21 Hey all, have a little free time, wanted to help out, given limited skills i thought helping update the wiki might be useful, anyone have suggestions on articles that need updating/creating? Nov 22 17:17:38 01/11/210 and I think they forgot to include new usb ID of the pre 2 Nov 22 17:17:48 windzilla -sure Nov 22 17:17:51 and they fix it in the ueu una one Nov 22 17:17:52 what are you good at? Nov 22 17:18:47 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 i fell fucked Nov 22 17:19:10 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: at least It is my though until my test (downloading..) Nov 22 17:19:38 GarthPS,unlikely, they probably wouldve just corrected the original doctor and replaced the file in that case - it may be checking the device and seeing that a file dosnt match tho, as the files on the rom are from the na device Nov 22 17:20:12 I think my efforts would be best put into things that need a better narrative, further documentation, or making them reader/user friendly. But i am willing to work at pretty much anything :) Nov 22 17:20:42 hotdp, hold on a sec, as long as you didnt rip the ribbon cable, its not a big deal Nov 22 17:20:44 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: "na device" ? Nov 22 17:21:06 north american Nov 22 17:21:59 windzilla, one of the things that needs work is the pages branching out from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications Nov 22 17:22:28 ok, i qive up. what are you guys talking about? (the logs havent updated to this yet) Nov 22 17:22:59 Basically, since we have everything in the feeds now, unless a progam is a development project where design and programming info is in the wiki, or has a web site the wiki can point to the program really doesn't belong on the wiki any more Nov 22 17:23:12 scoutcamper, doctors on pre 2 devices, and a bad keyboard ribbon cable after a comm board swap Nov 22 17:23:27 Instead, the wiki needs to point to Preware, to the Palm feeds for Beta and Web Distribution Nov 22 17:23:57 SiLeNt_NiNjA1 is it the "big" og "small" cable on the image i should tjek? Nov 22 17:24:04 big Nov 22 17:24:06 ahhh bad, ive shorted a keyboard ribbon cablke nd torn 1 connection on it, im glad i am good at soldering and have a microscope Nov 22 17:24:06 thos pages date from back when the precentral homebrew list basically was the ONLY source for programs for the pre. Things have changed, but no one has worked on the stuff in an age. Nov 22 17:24:15 so windzilla, that's where I would point you. Nov 22 17:24:47 So for example the "get started developing" could be updated with links to palm developer documentation, and other sources, that kind of thing? Nov 22 17:25:05 I would be glad to do that Nov 22 17:25:18 windzilla, maybe w/ distinctions for sdk, pdk, and hybrid development Nov 22 17:25:33 windzilla -- the other place to get pointed to is here: Nov 22 17:25:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research Nov 22 17:26:22 much of the stuff linking off that page is badly out of date, and needs to be updated, or flagged with the date that it reffered to. Some of it is just flat out deprecated info and needs to be flagged as such or deleted. Nov 22 17:26:30 Yea, I figure I would agregate links, and then have short discriptions of what various things are: for example in the get started developing, short description of pdk sdk, homebrew, cross platform, then links ect. Nov 22 17:26:41 Nodnod. Nov 22 17:26:52 that's exactly the kind of clean up we would deeply appriciate. Nov 22 17:26:54 thanks, I'll start updating it. Nov 22 17:26:56 Go for it. Edit boldly. Nov 22 17:29:16 I like that, edit boldly Nov 22 17:30:35 to boldly edit where noone has edited before Nov 22 17:33:17 Do you guys think Sprint will carry the new HP phones, or do you think they're done with webOS in favor of Android for a good long time? Nov 22 17:33:18 windzilla -- feel free to use this tag: {{reorganize|This page is deprecated.}} that puts a big purple depricated banner at the top of the page. -- Nov 22 17:33:34 you can put a reason why in there if you want to. Nov 22 17:34:04 destinal, one can hope they will - idk Nov 22 17:35:21 windzilla: oh man, the wiki needs *so* much work −- you could make a huge difference Nov 22 17:35:37 programmers hate documenting Nov 22 17:35:44 just the way of the universe Nov 22 17:37:42 I think most of us are good at documenting new discoveries, but maintaining them later? Nov 22 17:38:00 exactly :) Nov 22 17:38:07 anyway, off i go, enjoy! Nov 22 17:39:10 destinal: I figure I can spend a little time here and there the next few weeks working on it, I'll be learning along the way. Nov 22 17:41:15 SiLeNt_NiNjA1: fyi here on my linux the ueu and una version does not work too ( still does not detect th pre 2) I will try under xp later. Nov 22 17:43:18 does anyone know if the hardware on the old palm pre plus can support WebOS 2.0 Nov 22 17:43:34 windzilla: awesome, if you have any questions about anything documented there don't hesitate to ask. Nov 22 17:43:49 Palm already said EVERY device will be upgraded to webos 2.0 PalmGuy. Nov 22 17:43:57 So yes, its gonna happen :p Nov 22 17:44:36 GarthPS: yeah XP with the new novacom drivers would be the way to go. I don't think the linux stuff has been updated with the new id's Nov 22 17:44:44 rick: destinal: I've never been one to shy away from asking questions Nov 22 17:45:01 windzilla: new novacom driver ? where Nov 22 17:45:02 lol so I shouldn't retweak my freshly WebOSDoc'd Plus? Nov 22 17:45:31 GarthPS: in the 2.0 doctor there's a newer novacom driver that has the USB id's of pre2 Nov 22 17:45:32 PalmGuy: Theres no ETA on the delivery save for "in the coming months". Go wild Nov 22 17:45:33 does anyone here know how to get what your default info should be Nov 22 17:45:41 XP and OSX only I think though Nov 22 17:45:44 when you hit ##DATA# on a Sprint Pre? Nov 22 17:45:49 GarthPS: i think you meant to ask destinal :) Nov 22 17:46:10 windzilla: ah yeah ok . but I did already test twebos doctor under xp but it did not work (no pre 2 detected) Nov 22 17:46:14 yeah the 2.0 Doctor's have the new novacom drivers Nov 22 17:46:32 windzilla: yes sorry :) Nov 22 17:46:33 you need to extract them to be able to detect a Pre 2 Nov 22 17:47:03 halfhalo: can I not simply use WebOSQI and load up 2.0 kernel? Nov 22 17:47:11 nope Nov 22 17:47:33 destinal : ah yeah ok . but I did already test twebos doctor under xp but it did not work (no pre 2 detected) Nov 22 17:48:12 destinal: is it needed to install womething before ? xp is asking for drivers.. Nov 22 17:49:35 GarthPS: well just to be sure I'd try to manually extract the 2.0 doctor and find the novacom setup exe and run that Nov 22 17:50:03 destinal: no stupid :) I will try that Nov 22 17:50:41 GarthPS: it *should* install automagically when you run doctor but I would try it by hand just in case Nov 22 17:51:09 thanks halfhalo... Nov 22 17:51:26 destinal: yep ok thx Nov 22 17:53:10 does anyone know if there exists a bank/zip SOMETHING with all the basic iconography for a palm... ie menubar items, battery, servicebars, etc - I want ALL the basic pngs so I can make a REAL theme where EVERYthing is changed... Nov 22 17:55:39 * hotdp has successfully got hes US Pre 2 to work on 3g in EU! Nov 22 17:56:01 hoo hoo!!!! Nov 22 17:56:12 YES Nov 22 17:56:53 so what was the US P2 running on in EU? Nov 22 17:57:09 not 3g i guess Nov 22 17:57:53 *lame* Nov 22 17:57:59 but it is now:D Nov 22 17:57:59 US GSM comm board lacks EU freq's for data 3g Nov 22 17:58:08 yer its different Nov 22 17:58:21 * hotdp thinks it should be 1 model that works everywhere Nov 22 17:59:42 hotdp: that would defeat the purpose of having 7 different service providers.... Nov 22 17:59:50 but yes - i agree Nov 22 18:00:54 DAMMIT Nov 22 18:01:08 The Comm board has the information about paid apps! Nov 22 18:02:03 no it doesn't. Nov 22 18:02:13 the PROFILE has that information Nov 22 18:02:17 the palm profile Nov 22 18:02:28 you MUST log into your existing palm profile with the new machine. Nov 22 18:02:38 I have done that Nov 22 18:02:42 Here is how it is Nov 22 18:02:54 I activated the Pre 2 in USA Nov 22 18:03:04 With the org. board Nov 22 18:03:20 ok Nov 22 18:03:36 I have inserted a Pre board from a German Pre that did not have paid apps (was activated in my country) Nov 22 18:03:50 When i open the app cat i only see free apps? Nov 22 18:04:41 So whats wrong? Nov 22 18:05:10 when you inserted the Pre Board from an activated German pre, the palm profile of that comm board went along with it. Nov 22 18:05:25 i dont understand Nov 22 18:05:28 ? Nov 22 18:05:31 If you want to see the US app catalog, you have to have it logged into a US palm profile. Nov 22 18:05:49 You need to talk to rwhitby. Nov 22 18:05:55 he can explain this better than I can. Nov 22 18:05:57 so it has nothing to do with the com board? Nov 22 18:06:31 it SORT OF has something to do with the comm board. But when you doctor a phone, during the doctoring process, you identify the palm profile that you're logging into. Nov 22 18:06:38 that profile is associated with a carrier. Nov 22 18:06:47 So what should i do know` Nov 22 18:06:54 create a new profile? Nov 22 18:07:02 +Rick_work: so HotDP would have to WebOSDoc it and then activate his other palm profile? Nov 22 18:07:04 so, you get THAT CARRIER's app catalog and you also get the list of paid apps that that profile has bought. Nov 22 18:07:29 Rod can help you create a meta-doctor which will let your phone run, but access the palm-profile you created with the AT&T board. Nov 22 18:07:39 while it is running on an EU carrier. Nov 22 18:07:50 The profile i login to is the german one i think? Nov 22 18:08:04 I just want paid apps.. Nov 22 18:08:09 PalmGuy yes, that's exactly what he needs to do, run the german comm board, while logged into his US profile. Nov 22 18:08:40 Rick can you tell me step by step to do? Nov 22 18:09:56 so if I just want to see all the 1.4.5 Patches in WebOSQI - is the feed url for that "http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/" Nov 22 18:10:17 1.4.5 patches? Nov 22 18:10:21 I just want paid apps Nov 22 18:10:49 sorry HotDP - I was asking a general question.. Nov 22 18:12:25 yes Nov 22 18:12:40 all 146 of them Nov 22 18:13:07 +Rick_work: so if it gives me an error reading - it's simply my connection dropping again... Nov 22 18:14:06 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ Nov 22 18:14:16 +Rick_work can you please tell me what i could do? Don't mind buying new stuff Nov 22 18:14:27 hotdp you don't need to buy anything. Nov 22 18:14:42 But it's going to be another 2 or 3 hours before the person who can help wakes up. Nov 22 18:14:56 lol here's to sleeping... Nov 22 18:14:56 you need to talk to rwhitby to configure a special meta-doctor. Nov 22 18:15:08 but why do i need a special meta-doctor? Nov 22 18:15:16 i have not used a CMDA or anything Nov 22 18:15:20 PalmGuy Rod's in Adelaide Australia. Nov 22 18:15:56 hotdp, because you are running a pre-2.0 with a german comm board and an SFR webos-doctor and want to log into a US palm profile. duh. Nov 22 18:16:24 no i do not login into a US palm profile? Nov 22 18:16:30 HotDP: - BECAUSE YOU NEED TO RESET YOUR PRE BUT WITH A MODIFIED CONFIGURATION SO THAT IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY - WHICH ROD KNOWS HOW TO DO... Nov 22 18:16:33 or what determates that? Nov 22 18:17:12 ok, hotdp, what palm profile do you WANT to log into? Did you have an SFR palm profile or a German palm profile? Nov 22 18:17:42 German i think? Nov 22 18:17:43 What carrier's app-catalog do you want to see? Nov 22 18:17:58 The one who do not need hacks :D Nov 22 18:18:30 If it is possible? Nov 22 18:18:40 +Rick_work: I just WebOSDoc'd my first gen Plus - running 1.4.5 - I want to throw on specific patches, but I live in a poor reception area... so without driving somewhere with decent reception I want to DL the specific IPKGs and then load them via WebOSQI - that is the best way correct? Nov 22 18:19:26 wifi? Nov 22 18:19:29 The Apps i have bought is on the german app cat. But if it will work on USA know it is fine i will buy them again if Nov 22 18:19:42 hotdp, you have an SFR webos-doctor image and a german comm board. There is no webos-2.0 webos-doctor image at this point, so there's no such thing as a version that does not need hacks yet. You could wait a few wweeks. Nov 22 18:20:27 Loudergood: I'm VERY Rural - I'm connected to the net via MHS from the Plus... no "AFFORDABLE" hardline internet connection available here Nov 22 18:20:32 but you need to log into your GERMAN palm profile to see the apps you paid for form the GERMAN carrier, and the SFR webos doctor is attaching your pre to the SFR profile set. Nov 22 18:20:36 so you need a hack. Nov 22 18:20:44 i see Nov 22 18:20:54 so the comm board decides what you can see? Nov 22 18:21:08 ...... Nov 22 18:21:11 So there is no chance i can get the US phone to show the paid apps for US ? Nov 22 18:21:13 no, the webos doctor image decides what you can see, and you downloaded an SFR webos-doctor Nov 22 18:21:28 ok Nov 22 18:21:37 So i shall download the US 2.0 image? Nov 22 18:21:51 hotdp, you CAN get it to, it just requires meta-doctoring the webos-doctor image to point to US palm profiles instead of Euro Nov 22 18:22:05 aha Nov 22 18:22:09 you can try that, but remember hotdp, you put in a European comm board. Nov 22 18:22:19 i see Nov 22 18:22:20 so the US image will want to talk to a US comm board. Nov 22 18:22:28 i see Nov 22 18:22:30 you need a frankenstein. Nov 22 18:22:32 then it will not work Nov 22 18:22:39 you need a GERMAN webos-doctor. Nov 22 18:22:53 and you won't get that until they re-lease one or you build one with meta-doctor. Nov 22 18:23:00 i see Nov 22 18:23:01 I'm guessing you're all talking about making a franken-pre2 here, right? Nov 22 18:23:05 which is no big deal to do ,but Rod is the expert about it. Nov 22 18:23:15 So to sum up Rick Nov 22 18:23:25 seb_or_sam: well - HotDP is Nov 22 18:23:29 seb_or_sam he was given a US pre2. He has put a european comm board in it. Nov 22 18:23:31 German Doctor + my Pre 2 + my profile = my german apps Nov 22 18:23:36 bingo Nov 22 18:23:38 ah Nov 22 18:23:47 I see. Did you get it at dev day? Nov 22 18:23:51 Oki guess i just wait for the german? Nov 22 18:23:56 yes seb_or_sam Nov 22 18:24:03 ah I understand very rural quite well PalmGuy, and if you have preware installed you can download the ipkg files seperately and install that way Nov 22 18:24:14 hotdp: I got my pre 2 there too. Thinking about swapping boards,,, Nov 22 18:24:27 i have just done it, where you from? Nov 22 18:25:03 Loudergood: here is the problem - I want to view the patches feed for only 1.4.5 but WebOSQI is giving me an error reading message when I select that feed to load... Nov 22 18:25:27 hotdp: Nice. I'm from NJ (yeah, I know... you can snicker :D) and was at dev day on saturday. Loving my pre 2 Nov 22 18:25:40 PalmGuy just browse to it, and right click and download the patches you want directly from the feed. Nov 22 18:26:24 download Packages.gz and unzip it to see the full file names of what you want and the descriptions. Nov 22 18:27:10 +Rick_work: thanks - that makes sense... Thanks also Loudergood: Nov 22 18:27:17 I'm having a lot of doubts about making a franken-pre 2 Nov 22 18:27:19 PalmGuy: perhaps you should install preware, and disable all the feeds other than the patches feed Nov 22 18:27:55 seb_or_sam: I hear you...only option available for a verizon/sprint user though.. Nov 22 18:28:00 Loudergood: but then I'm installing them from Preware via the Plus and not via WebOSQI - correct? Nov 22 18:28:03 How likely am I to completely destroy my Pre 2 and Pre Plus by swapping boards? Nov 22 18:28:32 loudergood: true. I was thinking of getting a prepaid SIM though Nov 22 18:28:45 PalmGuy yes. But it's downloading the IPK directly onto the pree and installing it, it's the absolutel minimum bandwidth hit Nov 22 18:29:01 I have yet to find a nice prepaid gsm network though Nov 22 18:29:11 seb_or_sam you should read through the process and look a tthe photos. It is not for the fumble fingered. Nov 22 18:29:34 Loudergood what's wrong with AT&T's gophone sim? Nov 22 18:29:39 Rick_work: Well I don't have steady hands, to say the least Nov 22 18:29:55 seb_or_sam then it's not for you. Lots of tiny little fiddly bits. Nov 22 18:30:02 I mean nice by the price ;) Nov 22 18:30:08 ahhhh Nov 22 18:30:12 +Rick_work: my Plus is at the top of a 10 foot flag pole 10 feet from my front porch which I have a POS Win95 machine running as a server to bounce the MHS signal through the house... Nov 22 18:30:26 wow. Nov 22 18:30:30 @Rick_work I saw it live at dev day. I was there during the board swaps. Hell, I was standing next to rod and dieter taking pictures of it Nov 22 18:30:45 Ahhh. sorry, didn't recognize yourname Nov 22 18:30:46 I save a lot of money using page plus on verizon Nov 22 18:30:54 rick_work it was a great excuse to use the pre 2's camera ;) Nov 22 18:32:11 how much does an att prepaid sim cost? Nov 22 18:33:12 seb_or_sam There are a bunch of options, but a gophone sim has a $3.00 a day plan where you are charged $3 on any day you use the phone. Nov 22 18:33:53 Rick_work: Hmm... does that include data, as well as voice and text? Nov 22 18:34:08 palmguy: i don't know if you saw Rwhitby going Dr fronkinshteen at dev day, but when asked about "is it risky" his response was "extremely" just an FYI. I am holding off myself, though the temptation is great, I need one working phone at least Nov 22 18:34:10 there's a data cap Nov 22 18:35:02 +Rick_work, sorry but i don't totally understand. Nov 22 18:35:12 If the phone is activated in USA Nov 22 18:35:16 windzilla: sorry mate - I'm stuck in North Central PA with one tower 22 miles away... lol I think you mistakenly directed that to me.. Nov 22 18:35:18 i can only see paid apps in USA right? Nov 22 18:35:20 windzilla: Yeah, i remember him saying that. Dieter also said it was "touch-and-go" Nov 22 18:35:40 Rick_work On all their prepaid SIMs? Nov 22 18:35:40 hotdp yes Nov 22 18:35:56 I don't see how i can see german apps with a german doctor when it is activated in usa? Nov 22 18:36:24 HotDP - i' Nov 22 18:36:43 seb_or_sam http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/pyg-cell-phone-plans.jsp?wtSlotClick=1-004EHW-0-1&_requestid=73661 Nov 22 18:36:59 Rick_work: thanks Nov 22 18:37:06 PalmGuy: you are considering creating the frankenstein pre? I was just saying, RWhitby, who had the first one up and running, said that it was very risky, and that it still was very buggy, with some things not working quite right. Nov 22 18:37:25 seb_or_sam $0.01 per kb or $20 / 100 meg Nov 22 18:37:41 att prepaid DATA very very expensive. Nov 22 18:37:45 phone - not so much Nov 22 18:37:48 ithink i might see the USA free apps now? Nov 22 18:38:25 windzilla: no I'm trying to tweak my Pre Plus running 1.4.5 but I have shit for service... and I was trying to view only 1.4.5 patches via WebOSQI - but it wasn't working.. Nov 22 18:39:08 seb_or_sam if you're going over $200 meg/month you should just get a contract for post-paid data plan with a 5 gig cap. Nov 22 18:40:19 Or move to a city like philly with free WiFi within city limits.. Nov 22 18:40:23 Rick_work I guess Nov 22 18:40:26 5 gig data-connect plan is $60 a month Nov 22 18:40:42 Rick can you explain it for stupid me? Nov 22 18:40:53 Rick_work: That's nuts! Nov 22 18:40:57 +Rick_Work: is that 5Gb plan an AT&T one? Nov 22 18:41:00 palmguy: ha ha, sorry man! maybe i should call the franken pre2 son of frankenstein Nov 22 18:41:41 Windzilla: the Pre 2 fanks should be called Abby's Nov 22 18:41:47 ie Abby Normal Nov 22 18:41:55 abby normal, love it Nov 22 18:42:10 so just call em Abbys Nov 22 18:42:23 abby somebody at least Nov 22 18:42:36 Franks are Pres ^ Pre Plus's - Abbys are Pre 2s Nov 22 18:43:21 Rick_work: this is EXPENSIVE. I'm starting to think a frankenpre would be better... Nov 22 18:43:57 right, but we're not yet ready to announce that since we don't know how to log you into your existing sprint profile with the franken pre. Nov 22 18:44:09 give it a few days, ok? Nov 22 18:44:42 Rick_work: I on Verizon, not sprint Nov 22 18:45:53 Until this all gets sorted out I'm just gonna meta-doctor and skip activation but leave first use intact so I can log into my profile. Nov 22 18:46:38 Only problem is I can't get meta-doctor to skip activation on my pre 2 :( Nov 22 18:49:42 seb -- use the palm activation skip tool. Nov 22 18:52:01 Rick_work: I think you mean the skip first use tool. And that's not an option because it makes it impossible to sign into a palm profile. I don't want to completely skip first use because i want to log into my profile so i can use the app catalog. I only want to skip activation, nothing more. Nov 22 18:54:00 then yes, you need a meta-doctor. But the problem is, in fact, logging into your profile. We're having trouble with that from 2.0 devices since the carriers aren't recognizing 2.0 devices for logging into the profiles. Nov 22 18:54:20 I think we may end up having to patch the profile login routine to lie about the version of the os and the phone Nov 22 18:54:36 Rick_work i have send you a pm Nov 22 18:56:19 Rick_work: Oh, that's the problem. I've been trying to bypass activation since last night but I only get as far as instructions to put in a SIM card. Now I get why. Nov 22 18:58:27 nodnod. We couldn't get the Sprint/2.0 fraken's to log into an exxisting profile either, and we could not get it to CREATE a new palm profile on a clean ESN pre comm board on sprint from scratch because it was an unrecognized device... Nov 22 18:59:22 Rick_work: I didn't even get as far as a profile screen. I only to got to the SIM screen Nov 22 18:59:44 right, but that's because you're running the SFR doctor. Nov 22 18:59:50 and it wants to see an SFR sim. Nov 22 19:00:12 or if you're running the att doctor, it wants to see an att sim. Nov 22 19:02:14 Rick_work It's the unlocked Pre 2 doctor- p102UNA Nov 22 19:03:12 oh Nov 22 19:03:12 oh Nov 22 19:03:16 ok sorry Nov 22 19:03:41 Rick_work it's all good Nov 22 19:03:52 seb_or_sam either way, you need a sim Nov 22 19:04:04 Go buy a go-phone and pull the sim. Nov 22 19:04:17 can you buy just the SIMs from an ATT store? Nov 22 19:04:25 anybody tried a tracfone/straighttalk Jim in a pre 2 yet? Nov 22 19:04:32 that'd be easier... And cheaper Nov 22 19:04:40 Rick_work I'm just gonna run devicetool/bypass-firstuse from palm I guess Nov 22 19:04:45 *SIM, dumb auto-correct Nov 22 19:04:49 Rick_work: How much is that? Nov 22 19:04:59 SineOt: That's what I'd like to do Nov 22 19:05:17 seb_or_sam: I think the cheapest GoPhone is like 19$ Nov 22 19:05:28 but just bare SIMs can be found on ebay for like 4 or 5 Nov 22 19:05:42 but I don't know if you went into a store if they'd sell you just the SIM or let you use a demo phone's sim Nov 22 19:05:48 I think if you go to an ATT store they will sell you a sim Nov 22 19:05:48 SineOt Ah. Are the ebay SIMs legitimate? Nov 22 19:06:05 yeah, should be Nov 22 19:06:19 from what I understand you really only need the sim once to activate it, and that's it Nov 22 19:06:57 just say you're bringing an unlocked GSM phone to them and want to get a SIM to use their service Nov 22 19:07:35 or say you've got an unlocked GSM development phone and only need a SIM for 5 minutes while it activates for the first time P: Nov 22 19:09:22 but would I be able to access my Palm Profile once I put the SIM into my Pre 2? Nov 22 19:10:27 evening Nov 22 19:10:36 I think that you can only have the profile active on one device at a time Nov 22 19:11:08 yeah, if you move your profile to the Pre 2, your Pre will wipe itself Nov 22 19:11:13 putting the SIM in lets you activate the device so you have access to the paid app catalog, etc Nov 22 19:11:49 I talked to Gray Norton about that, that will hopefully be changing soon Nov 22 19:11:54 I already erased my pre and made a new profile for it Nov 22 19:12:03 especially since the tablet is coming son Nov 22 19:12:07 *soon Nov 22 19:12:16 But after I take the SIM out i can still use the app catalog right/ Nov 22 19:12:17 ? Nov 22 19:12:23 about the profile only on one device, BeeksElectric? Nov 22 19:12:28 seb_or_sam: from my understanding, yes Nov 22 19:12:37 SineOt: Nice! Nov 22 19:12:46 yup Nov 22 19:13:39 So Who would know where I can find all the pngs for making fully custom Themes for the Plus? Nov 22 19:15:30 beekselectric: yeah, it has to change at some point .. with multiple devices Nov 22 19:16:01 PalmGuy, they're all in the doctor. Unpack the doctor and every image file is in there. Nov 22 19:16:02 Well I guess I'll go to the ATT store and use their SIM for a minute ;) Nov 22 19:16:05 yup, that's exactly why I asked him Nov 22 19:16:25 i hope they'll also reconsider the geo-restricted app catalog Nov 22 19:16:43 they said they want the catalog to go global eventually Nov 22 19:16:43 because that will also change with different devices e.g the tablet might not be sold through the carrier Nov 22 19:17:10 the sooner the better Nov 22 19:18:48 Is the free catalog global? Or is even that geo-restricted Nov 22 19:20:28 i think even that one is restricted to certrain countries Nov 22 19:21:18 it is Nov 22 19:21:25 the free onw is also restricted Nov 22 19:21:32 I can see why paid apps might be a pain to do globally, simply because of differing tax laws, but for the free catalog to be geo-restricted is kind of dumb Nov 22 19:21:38 since there's no currency changing hands Nov 22 19:33:49 yeah, if debian can do it, then so can anyone else Nov 22 19:59:32 I expect that because Palm is a for-profit entity, they are obligated to follow all tax laws in whatever country they operate in Nov 22 20:00:20 * halfhalo just saw oils tweet patch thing Nov 22 20:00:51 * scoutcamper too, i want it Nov 22 20:00:56 haha Nov 22 20:01:06 oil, how do i do it???? Nov 22 20:01:11 photoshop Nov 22 20:01:19 no, my device actually says that now Nov 22 20:01:34 oil, tutorial? i have a Pre 2 Nov 22 20:01:43 oil, is rwhitby back yet? Nov 22 20:01:44 added localization for en_us and made just type = boom, action time Nov 22 20:01:56 scoutcamper: i haven't seen him poke his head in yet, so idk Nov 22 20:02:39 wait-where do i change the localization? Nov 22 20:02:59 no Nov 22 20:03:01 oil: what's your twitter again? @dontblameoil? Nov 22 20:03:05 yeah Nov 22 20:03:07 yes Nov 22 20:03:22 scoutcamper, in /usr/palm/sysmgr/localization Nov 22 20:03:26 create a en_us folder Nov 22 20:03:48 and inside it, create a strings.json file with {"Just type...":"Boom, Action Time..."} Nov 22 20:03:56 and restart Nov 22 20:04:09 tweet patch thing? Nov 22 20:04:20 (it doesnt change it in the universal search if you tap on it, but thats just another file you gotta change) Nov 22 20:04:27 thats just for the card view Nov 22 20:04:30 http://twitter.com/DontBlameOil/statuses/6795399297765376 Nov 22 20:04:41 oh Nov 22 20:05:13 awesome patch :) Nov 22 20:05:53 right right, I thought it was a "tweet patch" Nov 22 20:05:59 not a "patch on twitter" Nov 22 20:06:16 ah Nov 22 20:07:19 lol Nov 22 20:07:20 http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/articleimages/581/2010/11/frankenpre/pre-2-sprint-006.jpg Nov 22 20:07:35 * oil giving rwhitby more light to see if he is getting it back together right Nov 22 20:08:09 haha Nov 22 20:08:25 * SineOt tinkers with making a Preware theme! Nov 22 20:08:39 oh snap Nov 22 20:08:46 you would be the first to make a theme for preware Nov 22 20:09:09 things you should know: changing the theme basically changes the class on the body tag Nov 22 20:09:16 so work from that Nov 22 20:09:51 hm, fair enough Nov 22 20:10:00 how exactly do these get distributed? Nov 22 20:10:02 but if you want to start with palm-default as your base, we would need to make your theme apply like "palm-defalt sineots-theme" Nov 22 20:10:06 oh Nov 22 20:10:14 are you talking preware theme, or webos theme in preware? Nov 22 20:10:20 preware theme Nov 22 20:10:27 we would include it with preware Nov 22 20:10:33 eg: would it need to get pushed in Preware proper, or Nov 22 20:10:37 yeah Nov 22 20:10:38 okay, that's what I was wondering Nov 22 20:10:52 if you want to get setup to test, i can help you Nov 22 20:11:24 recomendation: if they were something dumb like .prewaretheme that got dropped in a folder in the /internal/ it might be easier to get people to work on them :p Nov 22 20:11:27 and yeah, that'd be awesome Nov 22 20:11:34 I'm waiting for GIT to install so I can check out preware Nov 22 20:11:43 yeah, you can Nov 22 20:11:44 hahahaha Nov 22 20:12:17 * halfhalo laughs Nov 22 20:12:34 off topic but, there's still been zero progress on getting the Pixi to function as a flash light, is there :C Nov 22 20:12:44 * SineOt is jealous of oil and his flashlighting pre Nov 22 20:12:56 SineOt: of that i do not know Nov 22 20:12:59 * halfhalo has a pre that does that somewhere Nov 22 20:13:02 only recently got a pixi Nov 22 20:13:09 oil, i want to flashlight my pre2 Nov 22 20:13:13 OH, totally found the pre's tokens yesterday! Nov 22 20:13:30 I remember from way back when that someone was saying that it depended entirely on finding some file somewhere to get the LED to light up Nov 22 20:13:36 scoutcamper: i dont know if pregames c flashlight service works on the pre2 or not Nov 22 20:14:01 oil, its not working on mine Nov 22 20:14:24 then it probably needs changes for webos2.0 Nov 22 20:14:34 scoutcamper: my device menu patch has working flash light for 2.0 Nov 22 20:15:04 sconix: you're using that c service? Nov 22 20:15:11 no its bundled small JS service Nov 22 20:15:15 eww, c service Nov 22 20:15:40 sconix: whatever happened to that update to Mode Switcher that would remove the dashboard requirement for most things on the Pixi? :p Nov 22 20:15:48 ah Nov 22 20:16:04 SineOt: it got swiped away after I heard about JS services in 2.0 Nov 22 20:16:18 ah Nov 22 20:16:19 since MS 2.0 is a JS service so it wont need dashboard etc. Nov 22 20:16:24 there's hope yet! Nov 22 20:16:41 so I have just cut down my workload not completely forgot it :) Nov 22 20:16:53 either way, you're awesome, so :3c Nov 22 20:16:59 * halfhalo goes to look at js services Nov 22 20:22:16 MORE EXCLAMATION POINTS Nov 22 20:22:23 !!! Nov 22 20:22:26 OMG Nov 22 20:22:31 OMG Nov 22 20:22:39 OMG TO YOUR OMG Nov 22 20:24:37 haha Nov 22 20:24:47 hey, your original tweet and no exclamation points Nov 22 20:25:13 there were quotation marks involved, it was complicated Nov 22 20:25:18 haha Nov 22 20:25:18 the correct syntax should be: Nov 22 20:25:21 Boom, action time! Nov 22 20:25:31 ill remember that Nov 22 20:27:35 Adora thanks for a VERY god Dev Day event!" Nov 22 20:27:48 *good Nov 22 20:27:58 hotdp: I'm glad everyone had a good time / enjoyed from afar Nov 22 20:28:16 how soon were the youtube videos posted after each talk? Nov 22 20:28:38 Adora: will the pictures taking be online at some point? Nov 22 20:29:08 our official ones are gonna go up in the next few days, and I hope someone has already started a flickr group Nov 22 20:29:23 if not, I'll create it Nov 22 20:30:14 * oil saw sugardave had posted some pics Nov 22 20:30:20 i dont remember if it was on flickr or not Nov 22 20:32:19 oki, where on palm/hp will the images be Adora ? Nov 22 20:32:39 probably facebook Nov 22 20:32:59 that sounds like a bad place for them Nov 22 20:35:56 adora! Nov 22 20:36:15 * swisstomcat runs over to adora for a catrub Nov 22 20:36:40 catrub? haha :3 Nov 22 20:37:34 lol Nov 22 20:38:30 guess that scared her away Nov 22 20:38:39 * oil was scared from afar Nov 22 20:38:50 hah Nov 22 20:39:05 oil, the patch didnt work for the just type change Nov 22 20:39:20 * oil explained it exactly as he did it Nov 22 20:39:27 strange Nov 22 20:39:38 * scoutcamper goes to try again Nov 22 20:40:05 are you not en_us? Nov 22 20:40:14 (you may need to change a different localization) Nov 22 20:40:34 non us people phail Nov 22 20:42:23 i am us Nov 22 20:42:43 welll, you still fail Nov 22 20:42:49 you are we? Nov 22 20:43:05 i'm am me Nov 22 20:43:09 and ch_de Nov 22 20:43:17 and proud of it Nov 22 20:44:17 your timing is impeccable Nov 22 20:49:37 hm, someone with a Pre2, could you load this link? http://webkit.org/blog-files/bounce.html Nov 22 20:49:54 * oil will after he restarts it Nov 22 20:51:32 the blue box moves side to side Nov 22 20:51:45 yey1 Nov 22 20:52:20 SineOt, oil beat me to it, but yes, the box moves Nov 22 20:53:14 does the browser in 2.0 allows opening local html files? Nov 22 20:58:13 Adora: http://i55.tinypic.com/5mes8n.png better? Nov 22 20:58:33 haha Nov 22 20:58:53 oil, tablet version? ;) Nov 22 20:59:01 lol Nov 22 20:59:07 two screenshots side by side Nov 22 20:59:11 oil: ha ha Nov 22 20:59:16 boom Nov 22 20:59:37 hmm Nov 22 20:59:54 u can change the "just type" to "boom. action time?" Nov 22 20:59:54 ;] Nov 22 21:00:17 well, there is no like screen thats all "what do you want it to say?" Nov 22 21:00:26 but, yes, you can change it Nov 22 21:00:56 i would write "shake weight" Nov 22 21:00:56 :D Nov 22 21:01:08 like in last ep of southpark Nov 22 21:01:16 "faster, faster, harder harder... " Nov 22 21:01:20 adora: im updating some internals wiki stuff, is it ok to verbatim quote from the publically available palm dev site? I am mostly using text for brief descriptions of ares, the PDK ect Nov 22 21:02:27 cite it wikipedia style Nov 22 21:03:03 well that was annoying Nov 22 21:03:36 SineOt, ? Nov 22 21:03:45 wifi troubles~ Nov 22 21:03:54 Linux support for Realtek wifi cards is asstastic Nov 22 21:04:01 anyways, the box moves, does it move off the screen? Nov 22 21:04:08 no Nov 22 21:04:20 on my Pixi at least, it'll move off the right side of the screen and cause the browser to -chug- Nov 22 21:04:25 okay, thanks Nov 22 21:04:27 nope Nov 22 21:04:32 this is all for VERY IMPORTANT RESEARCH ;D Nov 22 21:04:39 it just goes back and forth Nov 22 21:04:46 SineOt, i believe yo ;D Nov 22 21:05:32 you can expect two totally awesome Preware themes from me in the next few days I think! XD Nov 22 21:06:00 oh, hm. I should probably document this somewhere Nov 22 21:06:00 bbl Nov 22 21:06:14 is there a public place to notify Palm of bugs? the developer forums? Nov 22 21:06:25 yeah Nov 22 21:06:40 they can file bugs on their internal tracker if you post them in the forums Nov 22 21:07:10 sweet Nov 22 21:07:20 SineOt, can you give a hint at whats comming? Nov 22 21:07:22 I wish they would find a way to extend their bug reporting system to devs Nov 22 21:07:53 scoutcamper: I'm working on two Preware themes. One of them being tasteful, and one of them, well... It's called tentatively "Advanced Mode" and will be me seeing just how annoying Mojo can get Nov 22 21:08:15 hint: it'll make use of a lot of CSS animations and transforms Nov 22 21:08:27 marquee and blink tags? Nov 22 21:08:29 Although Oil said that Advanced Mode might not make it into Preware ;'C Nov 22 21:08:33 Loudergood: worse Nov 22 21:08:37 lol Nov 22 21:08:48 More like all the mojo widgets spinning 360s all the time Nov 22 21:08:53 oh god Nov 22 21:08:57 backgrounds cycling through all the colors of the rainbow Nov 22 21:09:08 and by "Advanced mode" he means "Crazy mode" Nov 22 21:09:11 ze goggle, zey do nutzing Nov 22 21:09:17 there's a lot more CSS animation/transform support in webOS than I thought Nov 22 21:09:17 *goggles Nov 22 21:09:40 hey, if you're using Advanced Mode, you don't need your widgets to stay in one place! Nov 22 21:09:46 because you're that advanced Nov 22 21:10:03 or that attention deficit Nov 22 21:10:13 SineOt, you are doing "Advanced" first, right? Nov 22 21:10:25 * scoutcamper can alpha test your preware themes Nov 22 21:10:36 haha, well, possibly Nov 22 21:11:00 CSS rotate seems bugged, hm, that might make this theme even more "advanced" Nov 22 21:11:54 how well does it work on device? I'm sure once gpu acceleration comes in it'll run fine, but without it, it's gonna lag bad Nov 22 21:11:58 BeeksElectric: my plan is that for the advanced theme, all the backgrounds will cycle through a rainbow, while everything else basically spins Nov 22 21:12:23 not that bad, surprisingly. CSS rotate has a bug where some DIVs will clip edges based on where the corners are Nov 22 21:13:27 and transforms where an object fades with opacity will bug out on the last like 25% of the animation Nov 22 21:13:38 where instead of fading it just flat out disappears Nov 22 21:14:03 but all in all there's better support than I thought there was Nov 22 21:14:46 I've been using some of the CSS transforms on an app I'm building right now, and I know that "simple" stuff like translating DIVs side to side works fine without lag, and the stuff like scaling a div to -1 to mirror it works fine too Nov 22 21:15:15 y'know, I'll add that too. Text mirroing. Nov 22 21:15:18 SineOt, do you have a Pre 2? Nov 22 21:15:28 No, I wasn't at Dev Days :c Nov 22 21:15:32 hi, anyone can help me with the database ??? i' don't know where i have to put it and how i can open it from the app??? Nov 22 21:15:54 I'm supposed to be getting a Pre+ through the October free device program, but I got an email 3 weeks ago saying I should have it within 2 weeks, so... Nov 22 21:16:03 for now I'm just stuck testing everything on my personal Pixi! Nov 22 21:16:26 SineOt, then you may have to make 2 themes for each theme, one for 1.4.5 and one for 2.0, and have oil rwhitby or me test the Pre 2 Nov 22 21:16:33 oof, that's a fate crueler than death ;) Nov 22 21:16:41 it's a preware theme Nov 22 21:16:48 not a webos theme in preware Nov 22 21:16:52 a theme for preware Nov 22 21:16:56 like default/dark Nov 22 21:16:56 i know, Nov 22 21:16:57 Yeah, it's Preware Preware Nov 22 21:17:09 but some css things may work different in 2.0 Nov 22 21:17:21 preware looks the same in both Nov 22 21:17:32 oil: more the whole CSS animations on everything Nov 22 21:17:37 ah Nov 22 21:17:39 I'd be curious to see how it performs on the Pre2 though Nov 22 21:17:48 * scoutcamper too :D Nov 22 21:17:48 since it should be a lot smoother given the 2.0 + 1ghz proc Nov 22 21:17:53 make a test, ill open it in the browser Nov 22 21:18:04 (i opened the moving box one on the pre2) Nov 22 21:18:56 here, there's a test already made http://webkit.org/blog-files/leaves/index.html Nov 22 21:19:21 it's basically everything you could think of doing with CSS transformations and animations all at once Nov 22 21:20:20 a little laggy, but works Nov 22 21:20:31 how laggy is a "little" laggy? Nov 22 21:20:45 some stuttering I assume, but nothing too bad? Nov 22 21:21:03 yeah Nov 22 21:21:07 http://webkit.org/blog-files/pulse.html this is the one where the corners clip Nov 22 21:21:13 oil, got it, there needs to be a space between the "Just Type ...": and the "lol" Nov 22 21:21:26 on my Pixi when it rotates, the edges are chopped off to be straight vertically Nov 22 21:21:26 there does? Nov 22 21:21:45 oil, yep, that was my issue anyway Nov 22 21:22:35 SineOt: yes, the corners still clip Nov 22 21:22:41 lame Nov 22 21:22:45 wonder why it's only on that one Nov 22 21:23:12 http://webkit.org/blog/138/css-animation/ oil, could you try the examples on this page too? Nov 22 21:23:57 (I'm a big fan of the "spin when clicked" one!) Nov 22 21:24:48 no hover obviously Nov 22 21:24:51 but tapping them make them go Nov 22 21:25:07 the spin one, the borders get weird at the 90 degree angles Nov 22 21:26:00 hm, okay. So whatever changed in 2.0, better CSS transform support wasn't part of it ;P Nov 22 21:26:50 hrm, hey oil, one more test, haha http://webkit.org/blog-files/3d-transforms/morphing-cubes.html Nov 22 21:27:12 I expect that one to basically fail in every possible way Nov 22 21:28:32 sup gentlemen Nov 22 21:29:10 SineOt, it works, when spinning it just makes lines in background, but it runs Nov 22 21:29:15 SineOt: it looks the same as it does in chrome Nov 22 21:29:18 but, yea, lines Nov 22 21:29:29 okay. Well then, that's kind of disappointing Nov 22 21:29:35 since that's exactly what it does in 1.4.5 Nov 22 21:29:52 (check those out in Safari if you want to get blown away by how awesome CSS can be) Nov 22 21:30:47 lol, it doesnt even work in firefox Nov 22 21:31:01 not even firefox 4 Nov 22 21:31:20 scoutcamper: that's why sometimes I really, really hate firefox. Safari has had this stuff since July, 2009 :C Nov 22 21:31:27 it is VERY laggy in chrome Nov 22 21:32:05 Safari had CSS3 multiple backgrounds since well... Since before CSS3 was even a thing. 2003! Firefox didn't get it until 3.6 Nov 22 21:32:06 not laggy on my pc Nov 22 21:32:14 bah, pc Nov 22 21:32:20 it's not too bad on this, and it's a 1.9ghz overclock Atom XD Nov 22 21:32:57 im on a dual core 3ghz dell, with 3gb of ram, and an nvidia ge-gforce 8800GS Nov 22 21:32:59 oh, and that cube demo in Safari looks like this: http://webkit.org/blog-files/3d-transforms/mighty-cubes.png Nov 22 21:33:04 with windows 7 Nov 22 21:33:18 what version of chrome? stable, beta, or dev? Nov 22 21:33:33 stable Nov 22 21:33:49 I'm on beta, so maybe that has to do with it... The PDF stuff in Beta right now is so nice Nov 22 21:34:59 time to head home! Nov 22 21:35:56 http://twitpic.com/399cav Nov 22 21:43:30 scoutcamper: http://webos.pastebin.com/BHT5mfw4 Nov 22 21:43:53 (so it shows the same text in the launcher) Nov 22 21:44:11 k Nov 22 21:56:31 hello Nov 22 21:56:59 I'm having a problem compiling palm's shapespin plugin using the widk Nov 22 21:57:05 https://github.com/palm/pdk-samples/tree/master/shapespin/plugin/ Nov 22 21:57:48 gives me these errors: simple.cpp:54: error: 'PDL_MojoParameters' was not declared in this scope simple.cpp:54: error: 'params' was not declared in this scope simple.cpp:55: error: expected ',' or ';' before '{' token Nov 22 21:58:23 is it just that the widk doesn't do plugins yet? Nov 22 22:02:02 oil, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Change_just_type Nov 22 22:09:54 nvm, replaing PDL_MojoParameters with PDL_JSParameters did the trick Nov 22 22:10:17 wonder why their sample on github is different than their online documentation... Nov 22 22:34:39 how long does it usually take from submitting a patch to it being published? Nov 22 22:53:40 hey, oil: for testing these themes, I can just use palm-package to build preware, right..? Nov 22 22:53:52 doitdoitdoit Nov 22 23:06:22 SineOt: yes Nov 22 23:06:58 (if it doesnt actually update it, you may need to bump the version number above whats installed) Nov 22 23:09:45 I was probably, just for the testing, change the package id to something like org.webosinternals.prewarethemed to avoid any problems with my already installed version :p Nov 22 23:26:24 oil: I think I broke something. :B my test version of Preware won't launch the Preferences scene Nov 22 23:26:32 SineOt: preware themes or webos themes? Nov 22 23:26:42 sk4jc: not too long I thinks Nov 22 23:26:46 Preware themes. Not webOS themes Nov 22 23:26:48 SineOt: pastebin your preferences scene? Nov 22 23:27:22 wait, one sec Nov 22 23:28:25 bnceo: dev day probably created a little delay as well Nov 22 23:28:41 yup. you are correct sir Nov 22 23:28:52 thx for the clarifcation. Nov 22 23:29:28 oil: http://webos.pastebin.com/iTMASygM Nov 22 23:31:12 you need commas after all the lines except the last one Nov 22 23:31:16 '}, Nov 22 23:31:29 oh derp Nov 22 23:31:33 I just copy pasted P: Nov 22 23:32:06 So... I had to get my Sprint Pre replaced because WIFI quit working. Had the phone for 11 months witout any issues until now. THe replecement given appeared to be brand new with no refurb date and 0x call made. However. the acellerometer does not appear to be functioning properly. Its calibration seems to be off... Nov 22 23:32:12 Is there a way to fix this Nov 22 23:34:28 The orientation also lags severely when rotatin the screen from landscape to portrait.... Nov 22 23:34:32 any thoughs Nov 22 23:34:56 I have searched to forums with no fix Nov 22 23:37:06 I always get repairs, not replacements Nov 22 23:37:29 heh, I like that the documentation for Style Matters from the dev portal... Uses Coconut as the font. :p Nov 22 23:44:58 oil: this CSS is pretty annoying to be entire honest, wow Nov 22 23:45:10 lol Nov 22 23:45:58 what part are you working on? Nov 22 23:46:29 trying to override the background styling Nov 22 23:47:15 body.palm-dark.ruddersquish { background: #color; }? Nov 22 23:48:00 you know, I'm dumb. I think I may have had it all along, I had just randomly picked a color that looked really similar to the stock :I Nov 22 23:48:13 lol Nov 22 23:48:32 lol, yeah, I did. WAY TO GO MAN Nov 22 23:48:45 hahaha Nov 22 23:48:54 * SineOt just tested by setting the background to #ff00ff, is now blind Nov 22 23:49:05 oh god this is so ugly haha Nov 22 23:49:55 not a fan of purple? Nov 22 23:50:23 navinag: it should be possible for us to recalibrate using a second, calibrated, accelerometer or I suppose a totally flat, level, and motionless surface. Nov 22 23:50:58 navinag: I don't know of anyone who's figured out what the calibration token maps to though. it's worth playing with for sure Nov 22 23:51:58 #ff00ff isn't purple, it's death in color form Nov 22 23:52:09 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/preware_2010-22-11_154206.png Nov 22 23:53:19 I like to call the FF colors raw...like that's raw_purple Nov 22 23:53:35 * halfhalo died due to that Nov 22 23:53:36 also, it'd be better with yellow text Nov 22 23:57:48 * SineOt fiddles with getting CSS animations to run on the body Nov 22 23:59:05 oh barf, apparently you can use CSS rotate on the document body Nov 23 00:08:35 test Nov 23 00:09:02 idontwan2know: that is indeed a test Nov 23 00:09:26 heh Nov 23 00:09:31 thanks Nov 23 00:25:55 * scoutcamper 's Pre 2 is showing off his customized Just type... Nov 23 00:26:57 Hello hello Nov 23 00:27:34 hmm lol Nov 23 00:27:52 how goes the FrankenDoctor Research?! Nov 23 00:28:05 needs public kernel release Nov 23 00:28:43 still :( man Palm should release it haha Nov 23 00:29:36 how long does it take for them to release those? 2.0 has technically been released. Why cant the french devs get it? Nov 23 00:31:02 because their french? Nov 23 00:32:31 step two of preware murder theme: animated backgrounds are GOOOOOOOOOOOO Nov 23 00:33:13 hahaha Nov 23 00:34:35 I have a patch idea/request. I would like to get rid of the launcher button from the wave bar, i launch the launcher by flicking from the gesture area anyway Nov 23 00:34:48 so its like a waste of a spot Nov 23 00:38:54 any inputs on that sr71 blackbird ? Nov 23 00:39:10 oil: oh lord it works and it is so amazing Nov 23 00:39:16 lol Nov 23 00:39:19 Preware with a RAINBOW COLOR CHANGING BACKGROUND YESSSSSSS Nov 23 00:39:32 I need to figure out how to record this Nov 23 00:39:37 SineOt, i want :D Nov 23 00:41:16 SineOt: ill think about implementing external loading of themes Nov 23 00:41:26 so ugly ones can still be used if they like ugly xD Nov 23 00:41:32 Yay! :D Nov 23 00:44:22 scoutcamper: if you want it, this is the WIP version http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/org.webosinternals.preware_1.4.5_all.ipk Nov 23 00:44:38 rudderSQUISH is a work in progress tasteful theme, advanced mode is well... Advanced Nov 23 00:47:01 * halfhalo has cookies Nov 23 00:49:44 huh, so oil uh Nov 23 00:49:48 SineOt, whatever theme i pick, it is just rainbow background Nov 23 00:49:52 nevermind I'm being dumb again Nov 23 00:50:03 lol Nov 23 00:50:04 yeah I was lazy with the CSS since most of it was figuring out how to get the animation to play :P Nov 23 00:51:57 but hey, at least you get to see the rainbow! Nov 23 00:54:03 any input on the sr71 blackbird kernal? Nov 23 00:54:13 It flies. Nov 23 00:54:47 i cant seem to find the kernaL no where Nov 23 00:55:10 scoutcamper: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/org.webosinternals.preware_1.4.5_all.ipk this is fixed, forgot some inheritances on the CSS selectors Nov 23 00:55:12 i googled it and no luck i want to instidk.. all it but Nov 23 00:55:23 oil: you should check it out too! love that rainbow footage Nov 23 00:55:48 lol Nov 23 00:55:59 * oil will wait till you have worked on it more then an hour :) Nov 23 00:56:30 probably a good idea ;p Nov 23 00:56:41 and yeah, fiddling with it more... Having some kind of theme loading would be a lot nicer Nov 23 00:57:02 * halfhalo laughs Nov 23 00:59:15 but hey, now I know... You can in fact make a theme for Preware that makes you want to stab your eyes out Nov 23 00:59:34 lol Nov 23 00:59:48 now to see if Mojo widgets like having a rotation animation applied to them! :9 Nov 23 01:06:11 hey, scoutcamper: how does the rainbow animation run on your Pre? Nov 23 01:06:56 smoothly Nov 23 01:07:33 oil: am I the only one thinking of "double rainbow" from that youtube video? Nov 23 01:07:53 OMG double rainbow preware Nov 23 01:08:15 lol Nov 23 01:12:48 oil: how did you get Preware on 2.0? I think I have the novacom drivers intalled, but no idea where to go from there Nov 23 01:13:10 you have the sdk? Nov 23 01:13:24 just palm-install once you have the new novacom Nov 23 01:13:32 (you can get hte ipk from ipk.preware.org) Nov 23 01:13:52 ah. that's it. waiting on a reply for the 2.0 SDK Nov 23 01:14:17 you can use 1.4.5 sdk with new novacom drivers Nov 23 01:14:17 you can get the novacom driver from the publicly available 2.0 SFR doctor Nov 23 01:14:21 the 145 sdk doesnt work? Nov 23 01:14:44 oil: works but novacom won't pick up a pre2 Nov 23 01:14:57 YESSSSSS Nov 23 01:15:05 you can in fact apply CSS animations to Mojo Widgets Nov 23 01:15:06 right, palm-install from 145sdk, novacom from 2.0doctor Nov 23 01:15:09 holy shit this is amazing Nov 23 01:15:17 the toggles are spinning all over the place Nov 23 01:15:23 and changing size Nov 23 01:15:55 oil: if you don't provide a way to load external themes I am going to be so sad. This theme is truly Advanced Mode for Preware Nov 23 01:16:29 ok. I do have the 1.45 SDK Nov 23 01:19:24 I have built it. The best Preware theme Nov 23 01:24:14 SinetOt.... how can i put your theme on my preware haha Nov 23 01:24:37 at the moment it requires it being built into Preware Nov 23 01:24:48 and oil doesn't want a theme with rainbows and flying mojo widgets ;o Nov 23 01:25:09 Lol Nov 23 01:27:47 SineOt: is this a webos 2.0 only thing? your psychadelic preware mod.. Nov 23 01:28:18 no, it's just plain Preware. Oil built in a theme picker hoping to have people build themes... And here I am, building the first outside preware theme, and it's absolutely retarded Nov 23 01:28:36 lol Nov 23 01:28:58 i may want this just cuz itll be something different retarded or not haha Nov 23 01:29:32 SineOt: you can always make an ipk that only installs your theme.. Nov 23 01:29:57 huh, should I file a bug if animating a toggle picker ends up creating nothing but static if you scale it to a negative value? lol Nov 23 01:31:21 * SineOt has perhaps found the most stupid bug ever... And not stupid because it exists, but stupid because he managed to find it in the first place Nov 23 01:35:14 okay... Anyone want to test "Preware Advanced Mode" before I go and tackle the tasteful, useable skin? Nov 23 01:35:38 yes Nov 23 01:35:53 let me try to iron out this last bug Nov 23 01:36:17 k Nov 23 01:38:20 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/org.webosinternals.preware_1.4.5_all.ipk not responsible if it burns your eyes, kills your dog, etc Nov 23 01:39:07 sadly, it seems that mirroring everything -also- mirrors the app menu... So it only pops up the bottom half of the menu on the bottom of the screen. OOPS. I'll save that advanced mode for later. Nov 23 01:41:16 apparently even on the Pixi the screen, at least as far as the browser is concerned, is still 320x480. That's the only reason I can see for it cutting the menu like that... Nov 23 01:46:11 boo. No CSS gradient support Nov 23 01:55:21 scoutcamper: you tried the preferences in that special Preware build? Nov 23 01:55:52 not yet Nov 23 01:55:57 * scoutcamper is distracted :D Nov 23 01:58:07 you'll be even more distracted by the flying toggle pickers XD Nov 23 01:59:55 Whoa Nov 23 01:59:57 cool Nov 23 02:00:00 :D Nov 23 02:00:04 i like :D Nov 23 02:01:42 I wanted to mirror everything so it was backwards but the origin is wonky for some reason Nov 23 02:06:20 oil: can I pester you some? Nov 23 02:07:11 body.palm-dark .pkg-view #scrollerContainer.palm-row.screenshots < I -assume- this is where the display of the background for the row of screenshots on a package is from, but overriding it doesn't seem to do anything Nov 23 02:07:53 ~oil Nov 23 02:07:54 extra, extra, read all about it, oil is a viscus substance that makes mice not squeak Nov 23 02:10:14 * SineOt puts a mouse on oil Nov 23 02:10:30 ~oil is also hydrophobic. Nov 23 02:10:30 destinal: okay Nov 23 02:11:25 ~oil Nov 23 02:11:26 extra, extra, read all about it, oil is a viscus substance that makes mice not squeak, or hydrophobic. Nov 23 02:11:30 Hah Nov 23 02:11:47 :/ Nov 23 02:12:45 infobot: no, oil is not the source of your problem Nov 23 02:12:45 okay, dtzWill Nov 23 02:13:00 ~oil Nov 23 02:13:01 rumour has it, oil is not the source of your problem Nov 23 02:13:07 * dtzWill chuckles Nov 23 02:13:11 ;( Nov 23 02:13:24 oh no Nov 23 02:13:35 infobot: no, oil is the source of your problem Nov 23 02:13:35 okay, dtzWill Nov 23 02:13:36 better? Nov 23 02:13:37 :( Nov 23 02:14:13 oh, now it's worse Nov 23 02:14:20 haha Nov 23 02:14:22 I read the first one wrong Nov 23 02:14:29 infobot: no, oil is not the source of your problem Nov 23 02:14:29 dtzWill: okay Nov 23 02:14:38 oil_pre: haha kk :) Nov 23 02:15:48 * halfhalo must. resist. changing. it. Nov 23 02:17:26 oil_pre: tell infobot to lock 'oil' if you want :) Nov 23 02:18:26 oil_pre: viscous, combustible, hydrophobic and often crude? what other adjectives can we find.. :) Nov 23 02:19:06 goes good with a bit of vinegar on a salad? Nov 23 02:21:04 animal, vegetable, AND mineral. Nov 23 02:22:54 (though only the vegetable one is good on salad) Nov 23 02:23:42 anyone know where i can dl the blackbird kernal? Nov 23 02:35:13 JD82: do you have the kernel testing feeds on in Preware? Nov 23 02:35:24 no Nov 23 02:35:30 how do i get them? Nov 23 02:35:40 look on the webos-internals wiki Nov 23 02:43:22 oil: I think I have the tasteful theme done if you want to see it Nov 23 02:43:28 * SineOt has been fiddling with SO MANY COLORS GUHGHGHG Nov 23 02:44:25 urgh damn it there's a bug with tapping a list element fff :B Nov 23 02:44:39 SineOt: post up some screenshots of the different scenes Nov 23 02:45:33 * dtzWill wants to see too Nov 23 02:47:12 * halfhalo knows who to blame Nov 23 02:48:52 there's still some bugs in it... but http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/preware_2010-22-11_183850.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/preware_2010-22-11_183806.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/preware_2010-22-11_183842.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/preware_2010-22-11_183756.png Nov 23 02:49:08 Namely that lost shot. Didn't know the list divider got rendered even if there's only one item in the list e_e Nov 23 02:50:47 of course, screen shots can't show how amazing the Advanced Mode is... Nov 23 02:53:31 took a while to make sense of the Preware CSS, but aside from a -ton- of inheritance it mostly makes sense, oil_pre Nov 23 02:56:21 Sinw0t: thanks i got it Nov 23 02:56:40 i didnt even know the options in preware haha Nov 23 02:56:46 the dangers of tab complete :p Nov 23 02:57:28 went from like 1800 apps to 5800 lol Nov 23 02:58:46 wow looking at videos of people swapping BGA SMT chips by hand with just hot air and a soldering iron. It can be done, but it's not a walk in the park. Still, I'm thinking that flash and RAM upgrades on the pre could actually be possible without really expensive reflow equipment. Nov 23 02:59:01 watch the theme option, takes forever to load Nov 23 02:59:15 people reflow their xboxes in the oven, so yeah, it's possible, but easy? probably not ;p Nov 23 02:59:24 found that out its on wifi so its not that bad Nov 23 02:59:57 oil_pre: let me know what you think, there's more I want to do but I'm not in the mood to fish out more images to redo right now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 23 02:59:57 2010