**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 26 02:59:58 2010 Nov 26 03:06:25 bpadalino: can you repeat your last? Nov 26 03:06:41 accidentally threw away wirc Nov 26 03:06:52 destinal-away: HidReadEventSource populates the char* that gets passed into the reportFunction Nov 26 03:07:45 I guess I could check the log Nov 26 03:07:55 ahh... Nov 26 03:09:27 bpadalino: how hard is it looking to do a fake keyboard? Nov 26 03:09:44 destinal-pre: probably not too bad .. once we can figure out how to format the messages .. Nov 26 03:10:17 destinal-pre: you essentially just call that function that gets passed to the module every time you have input .. Nov 26 04:48:07 bpadalino: ping Nov 26 06:23:58 rwhitby: no clue what I'm doing wrong, but I still can't find a kernel in Preware :s Nov 26 06:24:10 I found Govnah though :D Nov 26 06:24:18 sugardave: I already said that Preware can't see Pre2-only packages yet. Nov 26 06:26:21 rwhitby: ah, I misunderstood, I thought you were telling bmyers they would be in a different feed not specific to Pre 2 Nov 26 06:26:58 they are, but they are marked in the meta-data as Pre2 only, and Preware is not showing Pre2-only packages yet Nov 26 06:27:37 there's no pre-alpha-pre-2-preware-yet. :-) Nov 26 06:27:38 (cause a Pre2 just happens to report it's name to Mojo as "Pre" Nov 26 06:27:55 ooooooooo that's MEAN. Nov 26 06:28:04 rick-home: it works for everything else, just not Pre2-only packages like kernels Nov 26 06:28:06 yeah, fun Nov 26 06:28:23 rwhitby: so I just get both ipks and install them? Nov 26 06:28:28 so preware will have to do "lower level sniffing" to determine the hardware it's running on? Nov 26 06:28:30 since we don't want to display Pre2 kernels to people using a Pre Nov 26 06:28:52 and I thought we didn't HAVE pre-2 kernels yet, or was I mistaken and missed out on that news? Nov 26 06:28:53 rick-home: yeah, I've added a machineName service call to ipkgservice, and oil is going to get Preware to use it. Nov 26 06:29:09 rick-home: 2.0 source was released yesterday Nov 26 06:29:22 yeah, I was watching when they did it. Nov 26 06:29:43 something like 360 patches if I recall. Nov 26 06:29:50 so last night I compiled a Pre 2 kerenel for 2.0.0 and 2.0.1 Nov 26 06:29:57 (and the palm recovery kernels for both too) Nov 26 06:30:11 all are marked as Pre2-only, so can't be seen in Preware yet Nov 26 06:30:22 but you can install from the ipkg in Preware if you're keen Nov 26 06:32:40 * rwhitby disables the check in Preware to test the kernels Nov 26 06:33:05 okay, I think I have them installed Nov 26 06:33:25 Govnah says I'm runningg at 300 MHz...at first it was 1 GHz, I think Nov 26 06:34:00 yep, ondemandtcl Nov 26 06:34:16 hit a key and it will go back to 1G Nov 26 06:34:52 hmm, nope :D Nov 26 06:35:05 still at 300, but I was poking around in the profiles Nov 26 06:35:20 it doesn't seem to take a new proile setting though (at least not updating the label) Nov 26 06:39:18 Hey guys, I just checked the IRC log and its really short. So i dont know whats going on with the FrankenPre :( last time I was here the barrier was webOS 2.0 not wanting to work with the Pre's older version of something. Any progress in that department *waits for response eagerly* Nov 26 06:41:19 Guest42397: take the .txt of the end of the URL and you'll see the archive of logs for each day Nov 26 06:41:31 s/of/off/ Nov 26 06:41:31 rwhitby meant: Guest42397: take the .txt off the end of the URL and you'll see the archive of logs for each day Nov 26 06:42:04 Thanks! Nov 26 07:21:00 Being able to rebuild the Pre 2 kernel allows for what? Nov 26 07:29:46 crap, I just doctored my pre 2 and since I have no more minutes on my go card, I can't sign in to my profile Nov 26 08:33:29 what's the best method to get an SSH server installed on the Pre2? The wiki instructions aren't accurate for webOS 2.0 yet. Nov 26 08:34:33 does novacomd even recognize a pre2? Nov 26 08:34:42 yup Nov 26 08:34:53 can you palm install? Nov 26 08:34:59 well, novaterm works fine Nov 26 08:35:11 The version from the SFR doctor will pick up a Pre2 Nov 26 08:35:19 On Windows and OSX Nov 26 08:35:58 well...try palm-installing the optware-bootstrap and then from optware install openssh Nov 26 08:36:24 might not work though...no guarantees. Nov 26 08:36:34 ah, k. Yeah, no optware on webos 2.0. Did it come baked into 1.*? Don't recall Nov 26 08:36:46 Can't you install SSH through Preware now? Nov 26 08:37:08 I haven't installed preware on the pre2. Is it safe to do yet? Nov 26 08:37:09 SineOtter, afaict openssh isn't in the 2.0 feed Nov 26 08:37:23 Ah Nov 26 08:37:33 dgathright, if its in the 2.0 feed then yes Nov 26 08:37:42 other wise probably not Nov 26 08:38:26 palm installing optware-bootstrap *might* work from the 1.4.5 feed... Nov 26 08:39:17 and optware's version of openssh drags in a compatible openssl Nov 26 08:40:20 but since I don't have a pre2 I can't guarantee that will work. Nov 26 08:40:30 morning Nov 26 10:04:41 sugardave: meta-doctor to bypass first use, then enable wifi to sign in Nov 26 10:05:15 dgarthright: you install openssh via preware, as usual Nov 26 12:16:18 rwhitby: hello. do you know what brings the .1 update to webos 2.0 ? Nov 26 12:16:39 new kernel, bug fixes. Nov 26 12:16:50 bugfixes i heard, but i never saw a changelog Nov 26 12:17:25 swisstomcat: /me I never the update on my pre 2 ! :) Nov 26 12:17:33 saw Nov 26 12:18:20 rwhitby: swisstomcat : do you know if we can force to propse the update ? Nov 26 12:18:49 you need to be logged into a palm profile to get OTA updates Nov 26 12:21:56 rwhitby: by palm profile you mean the one we normaly have to create during the the first launch ? if yes then I am always logged and still no update. does my provider can "block" it ? Nov 26 12:22:37 what device is it and who is the provider? Nov 26 12:25:44 rwhitby: a pre 2 in France and my provider is SFR Nov 26 12:26:28 ah, that's the reason - you are at the mercy of SFR's approval process Nov 26 12:26:47 rwhitby: how to be free ? Nov 26 12:26:50 :) Nov 26 12:27:03 oh Nov 26 12:27:14 SFR probably didn't approve the 2.0.1 update yet Nov 26 12:27:21 buy an unlocked device instead Nov 26 12:27:25 yeah Nov 26 12:27:25 if i flash the ueu and una version will i be free ? Nov 26 12:27:39 probably not Nov 26 12:28:08 lol about bying an other one.. it is lot as it is cheap! Nov 26 12:28:32 how much was the SFR one? Nov 26 12:28:35 freedom is never cheap Nov 26 12:30:00 swisstomcat: i bied it with a subscription . it should cost me 1€ after the 98€ refund but I pay (normaly) 35€ by month engaged about 24 months Nov 26 12:30:04 you can reflash with the 2.0.1 doctor, but I doubt you'll ever get OTA updates outside of SFR's schedule Nov 26 12:30:12 rwhitby: yeah I know that :p Nov 26 12:30:34 rwhitby: I have an Openmoko Freerunner two Nov 26 12:31:23 at least that one has freedom, but is not a viable smartphone. Nov 26 12:32:11 rwhitby: oh compared to two year befor completely viable! :p Nov 26 12:32:36 but not compared to a Pre Nov 26 12:32:40 I used it as my only phone during 2 years Nov 26 12:32:44 :) Nov 26 12:32:52 not comparable by freedom side too :p Nov 26 12:33:36 rwhitby: about SFR normaly I ahve the right to have my device unlock after 6 months Nov 26 12:33:36 I have 3 GTA01's and 2 GTA02's - none could be used as a daily phone. Nov 26 12:34:41 rwhitby: I did for 2 years but not wihtout pain and just as phone Nov 26 12:34:47 and GPS of corse Nov 26 12:35:10 rwhitby: by the way my will is to help to port FSO/SHR on the pre 2 Nov 26 12:36:24 (it make me thinks about tha agps locked down function that couls be reenabled as in a freerunner by stocking localy in the device those datas) Nov 26 12:36:53 (which it should be way better blowuing the request as I read on precentral) Nov 26 14:40:24 how is sr71 blackbird a test kernel I haven't had any problems with it? I have it set to 500/1200 battery life seems to b good last all day and no freezing up Nov 26 14:41:24 my pre don't get hot eather. so far I like the kernel it's fast. Nov 26 14:46:48 On some Pres it can get hot, on others it may freeze, on others, like yours, it runs nice, it depends on the cpu and other building factors, and they cannot state that it's a completely safe kernel if it can damage at least one device :) Nov 26 14:50:12 yeah, not every pre can go up to 1200 Nov 26 14:54:07 Mine can, but I don't like the battery life, I normally run screenstate 500/800, and I'm really fine with that Nov 26 14:59:11 HidGenerateRandomEvents - amusing Nov 26 15:16:57 hi Nov 26 15:17:50 I ran into a problem recently while using SDL under WebOS 1.5 Nov 26 15:18:08 1.5? Nov 26 15:18:12 yes Nov 26 15:18:14 why ? Nov 26 15:18:21 1.4.5? Nov 26 15:18:35 I have a class that uses SDL_Init and SDL_Quit at the end, that I run several 1000 times (unitary testing) Nov 26 15:19:03 and sometimes the program is stalled as it cannot get aMutex while quitting SDL Nov 26 15:19:24 well Nov 26 15:19:27 let me check Nov 26 15:20:29 1.4.5 yes Nov 26 15:20:44 well, it doesn't change my problem that much Nov 26 15:21:02 is it a known problem that SDL_Quit stalls under WebOS ? Nov 26 15:21:11 the exact same code runs perfectly well on x86 Nov 26 15:21:33 sorry, no experience with SDL stuff Nov 26 15:21:40 oh ok Nov 26 15:25:40 just in case, here is the gdb output: http://pastebin.com/mCkzkxhz] Nov 26 15:25:46 there is no other thread running Nov 26 15:27:33 oops: http://pastebin.com/mCkzkxhz Nov 26 16:01:24 mourn: ping Nov 26 16:01:39 heyho! Nov 26 16:02:13 hey guys Nov 26 16:02:57 anybody working on webos 2.0 upgrade other than HP? Nov 26 16:03:06 or do we have to wait for HP? Nov 26 16:03:16 heyo Nov 26 16:03:24 hey swiss =) Nov 26 16:03:26 hey swisstomcat Nov 26 16:03:31 hi class Nov 26 16:03:33 hey Ice8lue Nov 26 16:03:39 hey class Nov 26 16:03:47 ice8lue: i've updated the govnah translations with your input Nov 26 16:04:03 there's a frankendoc in the works, trying to bring 2.0 to our
 happy thanksgiving! :->
Nov 26 16:04:07  but it's not ready yet
Nov 26 16:04:21  no thanksgiving here
Nov 26 16:04:29  yeah, i'm in the US
Nov 26 16:04:48  swisstomcat: nice to hear =) do you know how i could submit to the git? so i could work on more/other translations?
Nov 26 16:05:04  what's a frankendoc?
Nov 26 16:05:20  ice8lue: ask in here e.g rwhitby
Nov 26 16:05:22  do you have a link or suggest ways to search for the project?
Nov 26 16:05:41  he should be able to give you access
Nov 26 16:06:05  class: the forum thread was taken down due to unresponsible usage
Nov 26 16:06:42  class: fankendoc means it uses the 2.0 system on an older device (using files form the 1.4.5 doctor)...some kind of 1.4.5/2.0 mashup
Nov 26 16:06:54  ah ok =)
Nov 26 16:07:36  rwhitby: could you allow me to access the git repos so i could translate some of the apps into german or work on translational stuff in gerneral?
Nov 26 16:09:34  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIixUYaLufo  openiBoot working on iPad... promising...
Nov 26 16:10:04  destinal: hehe ipad owner?
Nov 26 16:10:27  Ice8lue: no, but someone should donate us one for ... experimentation ..
Nov 26 16:10:40  :)
Nov 26 16:10:50  xD
Nov 26 16:11:12  oh I would be proud to do some experiments on one for you guys^
Nov 26 16:12:28  Ice8lue:  Thank you!
Nov 26 16:12:58  no problem =)
Nov 26 16:15:06  Ice8lue: nice of you to offer.  debugging linux kernels remote from the physical hardware can be a little challenging
Nov 26 16:15:42  ^^
Nov 26 16:16:27  well, i'm a little out of training... since i'm done studying embedded systems, i didn't do something like this for some time now
Nov 26 16:16:56  i can offer my ipad as well :)
Nov 26 16:18:38  cool, definitely people who have linux kernel or embedded hardware experience could make a difference with that.  I'll have to think about that
Nov 26 16:19:32  i think i could also write drivers if i have the datasheets and so on.... i'll start training a little over the weekend =D
Nov 26 16:20:16  thanks guys... Have a great day?
Nov 26 16:20:24  ***day!
Nov 26 16:23:54  swisstomcat: I think first I'll tackle beagleboards, then more exotic hardware once I feel up to it.  if I had an ipad in my hands though I'd probably change my priorities.  what I DO have in hand though is an iphone4... hmmmm..
Nov 26 16:24:26  beagleboard sounds good too
Nov 26 16:24:46  what's a beagleboard?
Nov 26 16:25:54  Ice8lue: TI cortex a8 based development board, people are running android and a variety of other projects on them and they're pretty similar to the pre, esp the Cx which has an omap3530
Nov 26 16:26:37  http://beagleboard.org/
Nov 26 16:26:39  destinal: ah ok
Nov 26 16:27:32  I ordered an xM version which is based on davinci since it had more features, it's more different from pre than the Cx but hopefully not too much
Nov 26 16:28:14  very similar to omap3530 still but designed for video / set top box type applications instead of low power consumption
Nov 26 16:28:15  hmm looks similar to those i got lying arround...but it's faster though^^
Nov 26 16:30:12  *grml* hate xchat...whenever it minimizes to tray, i can't open it up again
Nov 26 16:31:29  I figure besides just the learning experience of porting kernels to different board types, it would be cool to offer developers who can't easily obtain a developer pre/pre2 an inexpensive non-phonebut still arm7 / cortex-a8 device they could use get into webos development.  maybe the idea is a bit ambitious.. :)
Nov 26 16:34:06  ...with priority to international availability?^^ In my case, I dion't know how to get a developer pre 2 over here =/
Nov 26 16:34:47 * Ice8lue is now himself again ;)
Nov 26 16:34:50  one thing it could do if ported that emulators can't do is give you the powervr for doing PDK SDL/opengl games
Nov 26 16:35:42  Ice8lue: economical too, beagleboard is $125 for Cx and $150 for xM version
Nov 26 16:36:28  destinal: at least 100$ less than the pre 2
Nov 26 16:36:44  course it's not a mobile handset / tablet.  there are actually projects that add a battery and touchscreen to one so you can carry it around but by that time you'd probably save money buying an unlocked pre2 :)
Nov 26 16:36:46  ice8lue: yeah, it sucks that there is no developer discount in europe
Nov 26 16:37:11  there's also no developer relations/support in europe .. but that's another matter
Nov 26 16:37:43  swisstomcat: the 200$ coupon of palm isn't available to european developers?
Nov 26 16:37:49  Ice8lue: US only
Nov 26 16:38:13  ~.~ so far for me pre 2 n christmas
Nov 26 16:38:20  n -> on
Nov 26 16:39:29  i should hae traveled to NY on DevDay...
Nov 26 16:40:40  yeah
Nov 26 16:40:49  ice8lue: no, it isn't :(
Nov 26 16:41:18  Ice8lue: beagleboard is the toy I got for myself.  should be fun, I'm not an embedded hardware expert but some hands on study should be good to learn
Nov 26 16:41:54  plus there's a good community around it
Nov 26 16:42:01  destinal, ice8lue: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-ESK/Beagle+Embedded+Starter+Kit
Nov 26 16:42:14  $450 tho
Nov 26 16:42:33  destinal: ya I got three such boards (no beagleboards but AVR ones)
Nov 26 16:43:13  had ubuntu up running on one of them using a SD as RAM expansion...get's fun over the time
Nov 26 16:43:30  but the pre 2 would be some new quality, especially over my pre-
Nov 26 16:45:10  swisstomcat: yeah, maybe  I'll buy that touchscreen eventually to connect to my xM board (DVI is fine to start with though and I can hack some kind of multitouch input device whenever I get there.  I'm hoping I'm not way overreaching myself :)
Nov 26 16:45:42  seems pretty cool
Nov 26 16:45:58  swisstomcat: is that a hdmi port? cool, that would be something new =D
Nov 26 16:46:06  only need to add a gsm and gps module to have your smartphone
Nov 26 16:47:00  ^^
Nov 26 16:47:51  brb
Nov 26 16:51:48  ~seen adora
Nov 26 16:51:54  adora <~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 19d 14h 18m 3s ago, saying: '.25 is a massive leap'.
Nov 26 16:52:17  lol
Nov 26 16:52:27  jhojho: looking for me?
Nov 26 16:52:38  yes
Nov 26 16:53:30  doh
Nov 26 16:53:32  lol
Nov 26 16:53:37  bastard
Nov 26 16:55:05  hey hey hey...
Nov 26 17:04:39  .25 is a massive leap, eh?
Nov 26 17:05:01  PuffTheMagic: I don't remember what you were talking about as adora that day.
Nov 26 17:05:26  me ither
Nov 26 17:16:49  PuffTheMagic: ping
Nov 26 17:17:14  u has some issues with SDL_Quit?
Nov 26 17:17:21  yes
Nov 26 17:17:41  I am stalled waiting for the WebOsEventLoop to ontain a mutex
Nov 26 17:18:29  when I comment out the call to SDL_Quit I can run my tests without issues
Nov 26 17:20:51  do you have any suggestion for me ?
Nov 26 17:41:01  hi
Nov 26 17:41:21  So, when we have serious security vulnerabilities in webos, why does precentral always respond that they're not concerned?
Nov 26 17:41:39  destina idk but hi
Nov 26 17:41:45  destina hi
Nov 26 17:41:53  coolguy91: morning
Nov 26 17:42:00  are u a gal
Nov 26 17:42:20 * destinal is a guy.
Nov 26 17:42:47  is there any gals who wanna talk
Nov 26 17:43:05  hahaha
Nov 26 17:43:28  okay, I need the help of the doctor geniuses
Nov 26 17:44:00  I decided to try the uberkernel on my Pre 2.  It was kind of messing things up, so I doctored my phone
Nov 26 17:44:13  sugardave: heh, he just missed getting quieted
Nov 26 17:44:35  hi
Nov 26 17:44:50  but, since my gophone sim sucked all the data from my card (just by looking at the app catalog, no less), I can't log into my palm profile
Nov 26 17:45:11  isn't there a way to enable wifi during the first use thing?
Nov 26 17:46:02  ok, that should do for now
Nov 26 17:46:08  destinal: who goes to a -internals channel looking for sexchat?!
Nov 26 17:46:59  sugardave: someone desperate and who doesn't know of any other IRC channels?   much more likely a troll.
Nov 26 17:47:32  I agree with your assessment
Nov 26 17:54:23  sugardave, meta doctor, bypass first use
Nov 26 17:55:31  egaudet: after bypassing, will I somehow be able to tie the phone with my profile?  I already had app catalog and ota working on it before this fiasco :D
Nov 26 17:55:55  looking at my plus now to see if there's a way to do that, but nothing is jumping out at me
Nov 26 17:56:44  you can run first use with wifi at any time
Nov 26 17:57:22  okay, if I can't find it, I will bug you again ;)
Nov 26 17:57:43  it should be in the launcher after it boots.  let me know if doesn't work
Nov 26 17:58:03  does anyone know how to access the prefs for opensearch?
Nov 26 17:58:39  might need to bypass activation too not sure
Nov 26 17:58:57  egaudet: so I would have to use meta-doctor, not the devicetool.jar from Palm?
Nov 26 17:59:28  you could use Palm's as well to bypass first use
Nov 26 17:59:39  alright, let me try that since I already have it
Nov 26 17:59:41  i think, not sure what it does though
Nov 26 17:59:57  all I can find is "turns on dev mode and bypasses first use"
Nov 26 18:00:10  meta doctor with BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP should be all that's needed (not bypass activation)
Nov 26 18:01:10  sugardave, that's probably all palm's tool does but I never looked into it as I always just meta doctor
Nov 26 18:01:54  well, I will test with Palm first and see what happens :D
Nov 26 18:02:16  PuffTheMagic, btw re: bootie-config do you remember what the status is of the token writing?  Last I remember there was a small bug with checksum
Nov 26 18:04:11  well boo
Nov 26 18:04:17  erg, don't have nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage...that should be in the 2.0.0 doctor somewhere?
Nov 26 18:04:26  figured out how to get Just Type to do secure searches
Nov 26 18:04:42  but browser based search does not seem to honor that option
Nov 26 18:05:09  egaudet: dont remember, thought u fixed the last bug
Nov 26 18:05:23  ah found it, I think
Nov 26 18:06:26  PuffTheMagic, I'll have to go back and check but I think the last state I left it in it would write the tokens but the checksum must be off because the system would then use the backup tokens
Nov 26 18:08:02  hmm, maybe not...I have the uImage file but devicetool still says it can't find it
Nov 26 18:08:08  will work on the meta-doctor method instead
Nov 26 18:10:52  does anyone rememeber what the kernel option was to enable fbcon at boot
Nov 26 18:10:58  it seems to be gone in the 2.0 kernel
Nov 26 18:15:05  Hi, sorry about the mess :)
Nov 26 18:15:26  Damn Telcel wifi corporate network, it kept disconnecting me :)
Nov 26 18:15:34  okay, one quick question before I pull the trigger, carrier 'wr' means what?
Nov 26 18:15:36  join #webos-security
Nov 26 18:16:14 * destinal looks for a forward slash
Nov 26 18:16:28  it's under the ?
Nov 26 18:16:29  :D
Nov 26 18:17:31  I guess if the doctor I have downloaded has 'wr' that that is the carrier setting I should use in the meta-doctor makefile?
Nov 26 18:19:00  sugardave: yup.  wr = world release
Nov 26 18:21:08  thanks, turns out I have the wrong doctor anyway, meta complains because I have 2.0.0
Nov 26 18:21:15  downloading 2.0.1 now :D
Nov 26 18:22:18  sugardave: eh?  why would it complain about that?  oh is the default a later number now?
Nov 26 18:22:19  wasn't wr=world ready ?
Nov 26 18:22:43  NuttyBunny: eh, yeah, what you said :)
Nov 26 18:22:55  destinal: I guess so, I just read through the meta-doctor page and updated my makefile, but when I ran make, it specifically is looking for 2.0.1
Nov 26 18:23:33  sugardave: well you can specify release name or version on command line but if you prefer to meta 2.0.1, may as well
Nov 26 18:23:57  yeah, I thought I would have to start with 2.0 (that's what I got from Palm) and then ota it to 2.0.1, this is better
Nov 26 18:24:41  NuttyBunny: "world ready" is the proper name.  order of operations, coffee, then type :)
Nov 26 18:25:20  there we go
Nov 26 18:28:23  alright, looks like this is working
Nov 26 18:28:34  egaudet & destinal: thanks!
Nov 26 18:32:53  egaudet: how is your kernel research going on?
Nov 26 18:33:59  haven't done any more yet since wednesday
Nov 26 18:34:01  nice... its possible to enable usbnet and devmode via the kernel
Nov 26 18:34:37  ah okay
Nov 26 18:38:14  PuffTheMagic: I know that in 2.0 you can apparently switch it on / off without reboot
Nov 26 18:38:29  hello
Nov 26 18:38:55  I'm getting an error installing the widk on my ubuntu 10.4 computer related to this error: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Errors_during_make_stage_.2822:46.2C_10_October_2010.29
Nov 26 18:39:10  what I'm getting is this: http://webos.pastebin.com/bYu1eWDc
Nov 26 18:39:43  it doesn't make sense since I have the latest version of libtool and it says the widk relies on a newer version of libtool that's only in 10.04 and higher
Nov 26 18:45:26  destinal: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=puffthemagic/kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd805cdfe5d4cc64c7e13eeb1e80ea26377d3284
Nov 26 18:47:02  egaudet: okay, so I bypassed first use, and I see the Dr. Skipped Firstuse in the accounts app as my palm profile...how do I change it?
Nov 26 18:47:12  PuffTheMagic: nice
Nov 26 18:49:06  sugardave, run the first use app
Nov 26 18:49:13  I can't find it :(
Nov 26 18:49:21  if it's not in the launcher there's a patch to unhide it
Nov 26 18:49:31  ah
Nov 26 18:49:32  okay
Nov 26 18:49:33  thanks
Nov 26 18:56:56  anyway to force the Pre 2 to see that patch?  It's not in my list
Nov 26 18:57:01  destinal: though it didnt seem to work properly
Nov 26 18:57:10  i couldnt novaterm
Nov 26 18:57:33  but maybe i need a new novacom now
Nov 26 18:57:53  is there a noavcom/novaterm for linux yet that works with 2.0?
Nov 26 19:00:36  sugardave, you should be able to just edit /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/appinfo.json and change visible: false to true
Nov 26 19:00:44  or even just novaterm in and launch it from luna-send
Nov 26 19:01:10  luna-send -n 1 palm:///com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.palm.app.firstuse"}'
Nov 26 19:01:15  I think
Nov 26 19:01:26  egaudet: cool, thanks
Nov 26 19:02:19  egaudet: is there a noavcom/novaterm for linux yet that works with 2.0?
Nov 26 19:03:23  PuffTheMagic, oh I don't know
Nov 26 19:04:43  so u get been sshing in?
Nov 26 19:05:23  egaudet: that worked, but it only takes me through the gesture tutorial :D
Nov 26 19:05:34  I'll poke around the other apps
Nov 26 19:13:26  PuffTheMagic, I don't have a pre2
Nov 26 19:13:37  to a castle running 2.0 kernel?
Nov 26 19:14:03  egaudet: do you think if I did a meta-doctor with both bypass activation and first use, I can get wifi then do my palm profile?
Nov 26 19:14:03  everything works fine on castle
Nov 26 19:14:22  sugardave, should be able to just do bypass activation with meta doctor and then run it from the launcher
Nov 26 19:14:29  err bypass first use not activation
Nov 26 19:14:33  it only does the gesture tutorial, though
Nov 26 19:14:37  that's it
Nov 26 19:14:55  PuffTheMagic, I thought the issue with the novaterm was only pre2 due to different usb vendor/product id
Nov 26 19:35:04  Good Morning Fellas!
Nov 26 19:35:50  okay, let's try this another way
Nov 26 19:36:14  is it possible to modify the meta-doctor in some way to pre-populate my Palm profile instead of the skipped one?
Nov 26 19:36:33  first use is changed, I guess and if any profile exists, it merely takes you through the gesture tutorial
Nov 26 19:36:43  which isn't very useful for switching to my real profile
Nov 26 19:39:03  maybe 2.0 is different?  I thought first use had you sign into a profile
Nov 26 19:39:16  I think it's changed
Nov 26 19:39:20  never did this with 1.x
Nov 26 19:39:43  clarification, _I_ haven't doctored a 1.x since webOS came into being :D
Nov 26 19:39:53  could just be the way rwhitby used to skip first use also
Nov 26 19:40:01  might be a way to improve that
Nov 26 19:40:09  I"m currently looking to see i there's a db I can muck with or something
Nov 26 19:54:26  wondering if someone can help me resolve a problem I'm having installing the widk
Nov 26 20:06:11  okay, suck...going to doctor and bypass first use, then get wifi working, then find this prefsDB.sl file, then re-doctor with wifi enabled
Nov 26 20:11:46  Do we have a working metadoctor for getting webos 2.0 on a Pre1?
Nov 26 20:12:01  I'd be willing to try it on my extra pre.
Nov 26 20:17:01  Davide-NYC: not yet, we're still struggling with the powervr sgx
Nov 26 20:17:41  graphics are very different btw pre1 and pre2?
Nov 26 20:17:47  different core revisions between castle and roadrunner
Nov 26 20:17:55  gotcha
Nov 26 20:17:56  not sure how different
Nov 26 20:18:34  I'm a willing tester with some old hardware laying around.
Nov 26 20:19:34  Davide-NYC: keep watching, we'll hopefully get there before official 2.0 for castle
Nov 26 20:20:15  testers would be handy once we get past this
Nov 26 20:21:03  I'm here.
Nov 26 20:21:14  No 2.0 SDK huh? What about a standalone emulator?
Nov 26 20:21:37  The holidays are an opportunity to play around with stuff.
Nov 26 20:23:02  I would be willing to test on a Pixi
Nov 26 20:23:55  rsanchez1: pixi would be virtually impossible without palm
Nov 26 20:24:14  we only have armv5 bins currently
Nov 26 20:24:28  ah
Nov 26 20:24:28  err armv7
Nov 26 20:24:33  typo
Nov 26 20:26:52  Davide-NYC: palm only releases x86 emu builds inside the official SDK packages
Nov 26 20:27:16  so there's no 2.0 emulator build public thai I've heard of
Nov 26 20:28:09  s/ai/at/
Nov 26 20:28:09  destinal-pre meant: so there's no 2.0 emulator build public that I've heard of
Nov 26 20:30:04  gotcha
Nov 26 20:34:04  hmmm
Nov 26 20:34:06  [  222.100000] LCD Ctrl: Missing FRAMEDONE IRQ.
Nov 26 20:34:06  [  222.220000] omaplfb: FrameBufferEvents: Layer: 1 Blank Event: 4
Nov 26 20:34:06  [  222.220000] omaplfb: FrameBufferEvents: Layer: 0 Blank Event: 4
Nov 26 20:34:06  [  222.220000] omaplfb: OMAPLFBDriverSuspend_Layer Disabling Register Access
Nov 26 20:35:51  destinal-pre, pingu?
Nov 26 20:36:59  ka6sox: pongu
Nov 26 20:37:33  destinal-pre you ordered an xM?
Nov 26 20:38:02  ka6sox: yeah, no Cx in stock.
Nov 26 20:38:25  okay. I think I've found some kernel things that should help.
Nov 26 20:38:30  bbl...
Nov 26 20:38:32  I realize that will complicate things
Nov 26 20:44:44  I'm more worried about the gpu differences now than I was
Nov 26 20:44:50  can someone clarify something in regards to INSTALL_WIFI_PROFLES?  there are 2 possible locations to put the com.palm.wifi.prefsDB.sl file, is one (the ~/.ssh dir) on the phone and the other (./config) relative to the meta-doctor dir in my git repo?
Nov 26 20:53:29 * sugardave just made a config dir under meta-doctor and copied his file there.
Nov 26 20:53:34 * sugardave crosses his fingers.
Nov 26 20:54:25  how to require user to restart after patch install
Nov 26 20:57:37  how to require user to restart after patch install?
Nov 26 20:58:00  with preware?
Nov 26 20:58:02  oh
Nov 26 20:58:04  quit
Nov 26 20:59:19  how to require user restart after patch install
Nov 26 20:59:52 * uNiXpSyChO throws a brick
Nov 26 21:00:05  ka6sox: wow looks like xM may actually have rev125 that we think is on roadrunner
Nov 26 21:01:13  hey all I just finished a patch that installs fonts on the phone however I have no idea how to request that the user restart to see the changes
Nov 26 21:01:38  is the patch in the webosinternals patch feed?
Nov 26 21:02:08  I'd love to submit it there, once I can get the restart problem solved
Nov 26 21:02:37  well, the flag that tells preware to prompt the user to restart is contained in the feed itself
Nov 26 21:03:07  oh that's good, does this work only with webosinternals feed?
Nov 26 21:03:20  how else are people going to install your patch?
Nov 26 21:03:43  using preware from direct link or precentral homebrew
Nov 26 21:03:49  abegee: any feed
Nov 26 21:04:03  ok thanks guys
Nov 26 21:04:23  they don't have patches rt?
Nov 26 21:04:56  shit, I forgot to re-enable first use
Nov 26 21:04:57  arg
Nov 26 21:05:01  precentral doesn't do patches, do they?
Nov 26 21:05:08  the patch is in the form of an ipk with a postinst script
Nov 26 21:05:17  ugh
Nov 26 21:06:01  abegee: not recommended
Nov 26 21:06:43  abegee: patches.webos-internals.org - get it in the feed
Nov 26 21:06:46  it's the only way to copy files from app folder to usr/share/fonts
Nov 26 21:07:41  abegee: we have an "additional_files.tgz" capability for patches in the feed to do thta
Nov 26 21:08:20  rwhitby: didn't know that, I goota take more time of app dev to read up on patches
Nov 26 21:08:20  rwhitby: whyt time is it?
Nov 26 21:08:34  MetaView: 7:30am here
Nov 26 21:09:14  oh, I thought the timediff is bigger and it would be deep at night still for you :)
Nov 26 21:09:39  btw, this time the UC-patch update went through without problems :)
Nov 26 21:10:28  7:30am is still sleep time in my book
Nov 26 21:10:41  oil, you have no kids...
Nov 26 21:10:45  maybe
Nov 26 21:10:48  thank god
Nov 26 21:11:14  well, if you have them you going to miss them after some days without them...
Nov 26 21:11:19  not that he knows about, anyway
Nov 26 21:11:28  no kids++
Nov 26 21:12:06  MetaView: yeah, I think we've worked out the kinks in the patch portal now
Nov 26 21:12:09  okay, I think I have the proper meat-doctor built now...wifi enabled and first run on
Nov 26 21:12:17  meta-doctor, too
Nov 26 21:12:28  meat...
Nov 26 21:14:21  lol re meatdoctor
Nov 26 21:14:28  heh
Nov 26 21:18:07  ka6sox: SGX Core Revision 125. For platforms that have the Rev-125 of the SGX530 Core (e.g. DM3717).
Nov 26 21:18:27  xM is DM3730 so maybe..
Nov 26 21:18:49  looking for datasheet or tech manual now
Nov 26 21:19:56  sugardave: you need to remove some flag files in /var/luna/preferences before running first-use
Nov 26 21:23:47  rwhitby: ah, well that is good to know, but I think my long workaround is done now :D
Nov 26 21:24:42  ok
Nov 26 21:25:32  rwhitby: I was literally putting in my credentials when you said that
Nov 26 21:30:08  destinal-pre: how serious were u about trying gentoo?
Nov 26 21:31:27  PuffTheMagic: I'm willing to give it a shot next time I need an arm crosscompile environment besides pdk in osx
Nov 26 21:32:57  destinal-pre: what will it take to get you to not use osx?
Nov 26 21:34:28  heh I prefer osx as a desktop at the moment but I'll probably set up a few more operating systems on this box
Nov 26 21:34:35  destinal-pre: I'm still looking for a good OSX cross-compiler to target the emulator
Nov 26 21:35:11  destinal-pre: and a way to cross-compile kernels successfully on osx - I still need to drop into Linux VM for that
Nov 26 21:38:16  rwhitby: isnt crosstool-ng mac compat?
Nov 26 21:39:12  hmm - that's not a bad idea
Nov 26 21:41:57  if u get that working u should use glibc 2.6 and binutils 2.19 and u will only need 1 toolchain for everything
Nov 26 21:42:30  its the binutils version that breaks kernel building i believe with the cs toolchain
Nov 26 21:45:54  oops, closed the wirc main window XD
Nov 26 21:46:01  time for stacks....
Nov 26 21:48:46  destinal-pre: well i updated http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Gentoo_NDK to get you started with the bare min if u want to experience the the joys of crossdevel on a system designed for it ;)
Nov 26 21:50:10  heh
Nov 26 21:51:06  and a dumb question, is it possible to build the pre2 kernel for pre? or did they remove all old omap stuff from the new sources? and do the GPUs really differ?
Nov 26 21:52:50  ya it works
Nov 26 21:52:57  except no wifi yet
Nov 26 21:53:01  havent gottent that part working
Nov 26 21:59:11  Hey guys.  :)
Nov 26 22:01:55 * phil_bw wanders by
Nov 26 22:02:04  sup, phil_bw?
Nov 26 22:02:13  workin
Nov 26 22:02:31  I hear ya.  :)
Nov 26 22:03:01  at least they opened the outlet stores late last night instead of this morning near where I work
Nov 26 22:03:04  Man, I really need to replace my keyboard on this frankenpre I've made.  Pity I ripped my old one.  :P
Nov 26 22:03:12  actually got off the freeway this morning...
Nov 26 22:03:16  Ah, nice.  :)  Heheheh.  :)
Nov 26 22:03:30  what's your frankenpre mixing?
Nov 26 22:04:53  Bell comm board and Verizon (sigh) rest of it.  :D  Everything is great except for the keyboard...  When I went to get my old keyboard out of my Bell phone, I accidentally ripped the connector off when my cat jumped in my lap.  :P
Nov 26 22:05:08  Needless to say I was a bit pissed.  :P
Nov 26 22:05:16  oh sucks
Nov 26 22:05:49  Yep.  :)  I wish that I could just buy a replacement keyboard from a manufacturer, but...  *shrug*  Nothing available yet, from what I can tell.
Nov 26 22:05:56  might as well stuff your bell comm board in a Pre 2 at this point eh?
Nov 26 22:06:18  Seriously!
Nov 26 22:06:29  If I could buy one here in Canada, I would.
Nov 26 22:07:06  I heard rumors that Rogers will launch Pre2 when the new HP store opens in toronto
Nov 26 22:07:09  I was going to get it shipped to a friend down in the states and get him to send it here.
Nov 26 22:07:13  Ah, when'
Nov 26 22:07:26  When's that supposed to happen, Ssanchez?
Nov 26 22:07:33  Errr pardon my typing.  :P
Nov 26 22:07:38  Dec. 3rd or 6th I think?
Nov 26 22:08:00  When Rogers gets a Pre 2, I'm totally getting one for my wife and buying an unlocked one for myself.
Nov 26 22:08:01  it's just a rumour though
Nov 26 22:08:17  Yeah, I wish to hell somebody would just SAY SOMETHING.  :P
Nov 26 22:08:24  Like an official source.  :D
Nov 26 22:08:27  Something
Nov 26 22:08:32  Thanks, ka6sox.  :P
Nov 26 22:08:44  well Dec. 3rd would be next Friday, and they launched the Pre2 in France on a Friday
Nov 26 22:08:48  Hmmmm
Nov 26 22:08:48  gotta  lighten it up.
Nov 26 22:08:51  I can deal with that.  :D
Nov 26 22:08:57  Hell yeah, I like lightening up.  :P
Nov 26 22:09:17  My wife HATES her iPhone.  Hahah, she wants a pre so bad.  :P
Nov 26 22:10:14  You know, I was gonna dick around with frankendoctoring my old pre, but since my keyboard's screwed on it, I can't even help there.  :(
Nov 26 22:10:34  Someone send me a keyboard, we'll be best friends, m'kay?  :P
Nov 26 22:11:04  MrFix: you could always use a bluetooth keyboard
Nov 26 22:11:13  well in 2.0 you could ;)
Nov 26 22:11:16  Whaaat?  :P
Nov 26 22:11:21  Hahah yeah exactly.  :P
Nov 26 22:11:32  MrFix, needs his tongue tied.
Nov 26 22:11:50  Yeah, I'm afraid I'm one of these smiley bastards, doncha know.  :P
Nov 26 22:11:54  I would love a bluetooth keyboard
Nov 26 22:12:02  Hell yeah.
Nov 26 22:12:14  they probably added that capability in anticipation of a keyboard-less device
Nov 26 22:12:42  rsanchez1: yeah, it would seem to be a great feature for a tablet
Nov 26 22:12:46  I've got a good bluetooth keyboard, but...  Dum-de-dum...  Though you know, Bell's been pretty good about getting WebOS releases out quickly.
Nov 26 22:12:48  For sure.
Nov 26 22:13:29  MrFix: I bet the keyboard could be reverse engineered and a new one designed from scratch.  it would probably never look as good but would be fine for dev use
Nov 26 22:13:43  Hahah, probably.  :D
Nov 26 22:13:54  I'm not that dedicated, though.  :D
Nov 26 22:15:07  Fuck, man, that's a lot of damn kernel patches.
Nov 26 22:15:11  Pardon my french.  :P
Nov 26 22:15:16  ya, please do
Nov 26 22:18:50  blah, can I go home now?
Nov 26 22:19:00  only if I can
Nov 26 22:19:18  Hehehe
Nov 26 22:20:15  So what's the deal with pvrsrvkm?  Is it that we can't get it working with the OMAP processor or graphics chip that's in the original pre?
Nov 26 22:21:11  original pre still omap3
Nov 26 22:21:28  I'm tired... just sitting here drinking a viso, putting off opening a folder of paperwork
Nov 26 22:21:59  hmmm
Nov 26 22:22:15  So it will give us a framebuffer device...  Hmmmm.
Nov 26 22:23:23  I've got lots of experience with kernel modules etc etc, so I'll do what I can to help.  (Senior Sysadmin here, been in the biz for about 20 years now  :P)
Nov 26 22:25:17  it's hard to tell what part is not working, the module seems to work but the userspace, at least for the pvr initialization, wants to use a different core rev
Nov 26 22:25:35  Gotcha.
Nov 26 22:25:49  Is there an initrd, btw?
Nov 26 22:25:52  bypassing the rev check gets luna to "boot" but doesn't draw anything except for a small rainbow junk line at the top when it tries to come up (after the long booting process of luna)
Nov 26 22:25:58  no initrd
Nov 26 22:26:01  Sorry, haven't done much in the pre kernel stuff yet...
Nov 26 22:26:02  Ok.
Nov 26 22:26:47  I'm doctoring to 1.4.5 to test the gfxddk on the pre, to see if it will work
Nov 26 22:26:47  egaudet: yeah, checking out TI web site, omap3630 definitely seems to have sgx530 core revision 1.2.5
Nov 26 22:27:02  Good to know.
Nov 26 22:27:38  I suppose I should change my name here to match my precentral name...  :P
Nov 26 22:28:06  http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/GSG:_AM35x_and_OMAP35x_Rebuilding_the_Software#How_to_check_for_SGX_core_revision
Nov 26 22:28:15  this is how we can check the hardware core revision
Nov 26 22:28:38  which is 121 for pre/omap3430/omap es3.0
Nov 26 22:30:35  Gah, gotta get some dinner into me...  :)
Nov 26 22:30:44  I'll check the logs and be back later.  Take care, guys.  :)
Nov 26 22:32:27  do we have a opengles app in preware feed that I can quickly test if the gfx driver is working ?
Nov 26 22:34:39  egaudet: aren't visualboyadvance and quake both gl-es?
Nov 26 22:35:37  egaudet: also you could always build and run triangle of doom :)
Nov 26 22:35:39  http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doom
Nov 26 22:35:43  hey sconix
Nov 26 22:37:13  will you new set of patches also come to our old pre 1.4.5?
Nov 26 22:39:38  rwhitby: are u there?
Nov 26 22:40:40  yes
Nov 26 22:41:33  could you allow me to access the git repos? i would like to help with translation stuff. already did so yesterday for govnah (to help swisstomcat)
Nov 26 22:42:19  Ice8lue: sure
Nov 26 22:43:31  egaudet: confirmed that visualboyadvance is anyway.  quake isn't, I misremembered that one
Nov 26 22:44:47  oh that's right, the module wont' work on 1.4.5 :/
Nov 26 22:47:53  Ice8lue: I won't port the new stuff for 1.4.5. Anyway there is very little new and the bits that are, are most likely something that 2.0 has allowed for me to add
Nov 26 22:48:28  egaudet: it won't?
Nov 26 22:49:14  sconix: too bad... well than i have to wait for the mystical 2.0 update
Nov 26 22:49:43  at the very least the pvr initialization must use a different version of the ddk than we have from 2.0
Nov 26 22:50:14  because in the ioctl, which in the ddk we have is for get misc info, it is getting a null pointer to what it expects as the user buffer
Nov 26 22:50:48  so we really can't be sure with anything we have whether or not the ddk works on the pre or if it's the userspace that is the culprit
Nov 26 22:51:46  egaudet: found this -- http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/4_00_00_01/exports/Graphics_SDK_setuplinux_4_00_00_01.bin
Nov 26 22:52:08  egaudet: it's very large
Nov 26 22:53:59  tryin to find the download section.. >.>
Nov 26 22:54:15  bc_example causes kernel panic when loaded
Nov 26 22:54:43  egaudet:  I have to woner if bc_example is the same as, what was it called omaplfb  something in 2.0
Nov 26 22:55:22  the ddk has pvrsrvkm, omaplfb and bc_example
Nov 26 22:55:35  bc_example isn't used in 2.0 but it is loaded by the pvr init script in 1.4.5
Nov 26 22:55:36  ah, nm then.  no idea then
Nov 26 22:56:30  egaudet: ah, other versions as well
Nov 26 22:56:32  http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/gfxsdk/
Nov 26 22:56:38  It sort of sounds just like example of how to use bufferclass or what not and possibly it panicking might point to a "broken" ddk for pre hardware
Nov 26 22:57:48  I really want to test this stuff on a 125 core rev, i.e. pre2
Nov 26 23:00:15  egaudet: have you checked out the gfxsdk stuff?
Nov 26 23:00:26  I need to bring up a linux vm to extract one it seems
Nov 26 23:01:04  I wonder if the ddk palm provides is just one small piece of a given sdk release
Nov 26 23:04:07  omappedia says the ddk and sdk are separate but "The DDK is restricted due to IP & licensing restrictions on TI."
Nov 26 23:04:30  the sdk is still downloading
Nov 26 23:05:40  egaudet: from what I'm reading the sdk should have the init binaries in it for instance
Nov 26 23:11:22  egaudet: hey their sdk seems to have an X11R6 for SGX
Nov 26 23:13:58  there's libsrv_um and pvrsrvinit
Nov 26 23:14:23  debug builds as well
Nov 26 23:16:30  egaudet: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/psp/omap3_00/03_00_01_06/index_FDS.html
Nov 26 23:16:40  driver user guide
Nov 26 23:17:34  as well as PSP-SDK-03.00.01.06 Package for AM35x/OMAP35x and AM/DM37x platforms
Nov 26 23:19:55  egaudet: check the readme.pdf, in the gfxsdk, there are binaries directories for all the various cores, debug and release both
Nov 26 23:20:04  1.2.1 and 1.2.5 included
Nov 26 23:21:37  3.x would appear to be 121 and 5.x 125
Nov 26 23:44:43  oh rwhitbys bouncer crashed
Nov 26 23:45:19  where's rod?
Nov 26 23:45:39  not here
Nov 26 23:45:54  ;) ya
Nov 26 23:52:16  ok guys, i'm off now, cu
Nov 27 01:25:34  nifty -- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bushing/openvizsla-open-source-usb-protocol-analyzer
Nov 27 01:53:50  destinal, got the SDK built, installed, and ogles demos work
Nov 27 01:54:45  egaudet: nice
Nov 27 01:55:13  egaudet: does using that version of the init change anything about starting luna?
Nov 27 01:55:37  Luna segfaults
Nov 27 01:56:26  egaudet: it's kind of funny to think we could have had opengl-es for so long if we didn't care about luna :)
Nov 27 01:56:28  I ran the install and it installs ALL of the libs
Nov 27 01:57:39  egaudet: any idea what the segfault is about?
Nov 27 01:58:14  I have a quick qyestion regarding the palm bypass tool. can anyone help?
Nov 27 01:58:31  PreCentralNesta: there's a palm bypass tool?
Nov 27 01:59:10  PVR:(Error): PVRSRVWrapExtMemory: Error 2 returned [1002, /proj/AVME10/mahesh/Graphics/Netra/gfxsdkcreate_new/ti_references/sources/GFX_Linux_DDK/src/eurasia/services4/srvclient/bridged/bridged_pvr_glue.c]
Nov 27 01:59:11  PVR:(Error): PVR2D error - could not wrap external memory! [217, common/pvr2dmem.c]
Nov 27 01:59:15  @desyinal; Check this link http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051
Nov 27 01:59:30  I meant @destinal
Nov 27 02:01:01  [  710.340000] PVR: OSAcquirePhysPageAddr: get_user_pages failed (-14), trying something else
Nov 27 02:01:02  [  710.340000] PVR_K:(Error): OSAcquirePhysPageAddr: Start address 6e757000 is outside of the region returned by find_vma [2102, /home/egaudet/Graphics_SDK_4_00_00_01/GFX_Linux_KM/services4/srvkm/env/linux/osfunc.c]
Nov 27 02:01:02  [  710.340000] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVWrapExtMemoryKM: Failed to alloc memory for block [805, /home/egaudet/Graphics_SDK_4_00_00_01/GFX_Linux_KM/services4/srvkm/common/devicemem.c]
Nov 27 02:02:13  could something be configured incorrectly in your build for this chip?
Nov 27 02:03:09  i just need to know am i supposed to run the recovery tool from my pc or am i somehow supposed to run terminal from the pre while in recovery mode?
Nov 27 02:03:56  destinal, possibly.  The SDK doesn't work out of the box
Nov 27 02:04:16  PreCentralNesta: wow, I didn't know palm had documented such a process
Nov 27 02:09:20  Out of curiosity, can you hot-swap the Pre's battery?
Nov 27 02:09:34  I just tried and it didn't work, so I was wondering if I was doing something wrong.
Nov 27 02:09:46  Zen00: if you have it plugged into USB you mean?  maybe,
Nov 27 02:10:00  maybe not
Nov 27 02:10:03  Well yeah, you can then as it will run off the USB power.
Nov 27 02:10:06  I've done that.
Nov 27 02:10:19  I was just wondering about on the go.
Nov 27 02:10:20  well how welse can you hot-swap the battery, if no battery, pre turns off
Nov 27 02:10:32  if no other form of power
Nov 27 02:10:46  Some electronics have a few seconds of internal power that they can survive on.
Nov 27 02:10:53  I was wondering if the Pre did that or not.
Nov 27 02:11:04  Zen00: that would require a secondary battery or big capacitors, the pre has neither
Nov 27 02:11:34  Also I was reading that some person on the forum claimed to have done it, but you know, skeptical me.
Nov 27 02:11:41  you could hot swap on the go probably by plugging in a usb battery pack
Nov 27 02:11:53  like the one rick-home made
Nov 27 02:11:57  Yeah, I could do that, but that kind of defeats the purpose.
Nov 27 02:12:02  then swapping while plugged into that
Nov 27 02:12:12  yeah, the person on the forum was taking your for a ride
Nov 27 02:12:31  the quickest way to power the device off is even a split second of the battery not being connected
Nov 27 02:12:36  But I think I'll hold out for a second opinion.
Nov 27 02:12:57  Maybe someones come up with a way you haven't thought of yet.
Nov 27 02:13:00  I unplug to power off enough times on purpose to know that it won't stay on
Nov 27 02:13:05  Or me for that point.
Nov 27 02:13:23  can anyone help me with the palm activation bypass tool. quick question. do i simply double click the jar file or must i launch it from the teminal. i'm on a mac.
Nov 27 02:13:38  has anyone else ever seen this thing before?
Nov 27 02:13:42  rwhitby?
Nov 27 02:13:43  And I'm on a horse. :D
Nov 27 02:14:09  Zen00: oh, well if you're *that* guy on a horse, then you'll be able to do it by pure manliness :)
Nov 27 02:14:17  Natch.
Nov 27 02:14:43  I think he can power a Pre by just holding it properly.
Nov 27 02:15:02  Now if only I could power a Pre by reading NMR spectra, I'd be set.
Nov 27 02:15:24  PreCentralNesta: I've never seen this bypass tool and it's very interesting to me that it even exists.  it must be very new for me never to have seen it before.
Nov 27 02:15:42  PreCentralNesta: you could run it by doubleclicking it or running it from command line with    java -jar whatever.jar
Nov 27 02:15:49  err whatever the filename is
Nov 27 02:16:23  In the meantime I'm going to download it and examine it :)
Nov 27 02:16:26  @destinal. i thinkit's only used for folks that want to use it as a developer phone without having to activate the phone witha  carrier.
Nov 27 02:16:38  I could use one, they raised my lovely cell bill from $20 to $30 this month without telling me. :(
Nov 27 02:17:00  I could just buy Voogle and always be connected anyways.
Nov 27 02:17:06  destinal: its a palm supplied tool
Nov 27 02:17:10  PreCentralNesta: yup, we tend to use metadoctor for that here (and have used our own methods for a long time), but this new tool from palm looks interesting
Nov 27 02:17:15  PreCentralNesta: we all use metadoc
Nov 27 02:17:48  @destinal i think this tool is if you don't want to wipe the usb drive. i'm trying to get my wife's pics off of her old phone
Nov 27 02:18:01  mainly I'd like to know how it does what it does and whether it can be used to load homebrew without a SDK
Nov 27 02:18:51  destinal: its only for bypassing activation afaik
Nov 27 02:19:05  oil: sure but can it be modified for other things
Nov 27 02:19:35  PreCentralNesta: doctors since 1.3.5 don't clear the usb partition
Nov 27 02:19:35  So, I just ordered a 16Gb flash drive. What would you put on one, I'm only using it for school right now, but what else...?
Nov 27 02:19:45  from what i remember anyways
Nov 27 02:20:06  Zen00: bootable operating systems and things can come in handy
Nov 27 02:20:24  Yeah, I was thinking of putting a diagnostics suite on it.
Nov 27 02:20:43  But that's only like 4gb anyways, what else should I always have on me?
Nov 27 02:21:05  Since a USB drive is like a geek multi-tool.
Nov 27 02:21:05  @oil: so if i use metadoctor all the data on this non-activated pre will remain.  the issue here is that i'm trying to get data off of my wife's old pre and i can't reactivate the pre
Nov 27 02:21:35  PreCentralNesta: i think, im not 100% sure
Nov 27 02:21:46  you can use metadoc to create a doctor that bypasses activation
Nov 27 02:22:04  oil: but does doctor wipe /media/internal?
Nov 27 02:22:13  PreCentralNesta: what kind of data, just stuff on the flash disk?
Nov 27 02:22:14  destinal: i thought they changed in 135 to not do that?
Nov 27 02:22:22  like when you plug it into a PC, things there?
Nov 27 02:22:47  @destinal and oil: my wife has pics of our daughter that she wants me to retrieve
Nov 27 02:23:42  oil: this is a perfect use for that installer image based tool I was thinking of
Nov 27 02:23:50  but that doesn't exist yet unfortunately :)
Nov 27 02:23:53  lol
Nov 27 02:25:03  hey, guys?  this tool may totally eliminate the need for WOSQI to have a huge doctor download
Nov 27 02:25:12  it has novacom classes (as you'd expect)
Nov 27 02:25:15  and is really small
Nov 27 02:25:15  the bypass activation tool?
Nov 27 02:25:33  doesnt quick install not work with 2.0?
Nov 27 02:25:42  it's frustrating becuase the bypass tool seems to be perfect for my needs but i can't execute the java file.  i've searched the forums at precentral net and everyone seems to have gotten it to work but i can't figure out how?
Nov 27 02:26:02  PreCentralNesta: what does running    java -jar devicetool.jar     do from a command line?
Nov 27 02:26:40  @destinal: i get the following error when i run it from terminal
Nov 27 02:26:58  oil: oh, darn.   no, it doesn't include novacom *drivers*  just the classes
Nov 27 02:27:05  @destinal: i get the following error when i run it from terminal Unable to access jarfile devicetool.jar
Nov 27 02:27:05  so it doesn't help people with no SDK
Nov 27 02:27:35  i use WOSQI so i have all the files installed on my mac
Nov 27 02:27:57  PreCentralNesta: you may have a corrupted download and might wish to try again
Nov 27 02:28:02  that indicates java can't find the file
Nov 27 02:28:08  destinal: the palm bypass tool still needs novacom drivers I believe
Nov 27 02:28:20  rwhitby: yup, quite unfortunate
Nov 27 02:28:31  classes yes, drivers no
Nov 27 02:29:00  @rwhitby: i have my pre in recovery mode.  how do i run the line java -jar devicetool.jar
Nov 27 02:29:27  just like that
Nov 27 02:29:52  PreCentralNesta: you need to cd into the directory with the jar file in it
Nov 27 02:30:00  wherever you downloaded it to, you need to cd there
Nov 27 02:30:03  @rwhitby: in WOSQI or int he terminal program opn my mac?
Nov 27 02:30:12  Terminal application on the mac
Nov 27 02:30:40  @rwhitby i get this error message: Unable to access jarfile devicetool.jar
Nov 27 02:31:03  @rwhitby and I have downloaded the file.
Nov 27 02:31:50  PreCentralNesta: try
Nov 27 02:31:52  java -jar $HOME/Downloads/devicetool.jar
Nov 27 02:33:14  it's not being found by your previous command because the directory you downloaded it into is not your current working directory in the shell
Nov 27 02:33:33  @destinal: THanks.  Now i get a mesage that I have an unsupported version of java. this is progress though
Nov 27 02:33:35  normally you could just "cd Downloads" or whatever, but if you used the default location the command above should do it
Nov 27 02:34:09  PreCentralNesta:  java --version
Nov 27 02:34:23  err
Nov 27 02:34:25  java -version
Nov 27 02:34:28  what does that say?
Nov 27 02:35:09  @destinal 1.5.0_26_156
Nov 27 02:35:35  PreCentralNesta:  you'll want to run software update so you get the latest java
Nov 27 02:36:06  @destinal. i'm update to date. i do have a 1.6 bu it says 64 bit.  I'll move it to the top to see if that helps
Nov 27 02:37:29  @destinal. moving version 1.6 up to the top did the trick.  thansk for your help.
Nov 27 02:37:38  PreCentralNesta: you're welcome
Nov 27 02:38:09 * rwhitby notes that the Preware Homebrew Documentation app says to do exactly that ...
Nov 27 02:38:33  rwhitby: PHD is god :)
Nov 27 02:38:40  "Mac OS X users need to run /Application/Utilities/Java/Java Preferences and drag Java SE 6 to top of both lists, and exit."
Nov 27 02:38:51  rwhitby: nice
Nov 27 02:39:06  @rwhitby. thanks we just figured that out. destinal pointed me int he right direction
Nov 27 02:39:21  rwhitby: devicetool includes nova-installer-image-castle.uImage and nova-installer-image-pixie.uImage
Nov 27 02:39:30  (which I guess should be obvious) :)
Nov 27 02:39:40  destinal: yep. it does a memboot, then just touches the ran-first-use file
Nov 27 02:40:12  no roadrunner yet though apparently
Nov 27 02:40:32  wonder if castle's kernel boots on roadrunner.. hmm
Nov 27 02:40:42  CONTROL_BGAPTS_WKUP[2] Used for ON/OFF control of BGAPTS module RW 0
Nov 27 02:40:42  0 : BGAP is ON
Nov 27 02:40:42  1 : BGAP is OFF
Nov 27 02:40:42  Note : BGAP cannot be turned off with TMPS ON. Address Offset 0x0000 0028
Nov 27 02:40:42  Physical Address 0x4800 2A84 Instance
Nov 27 02:41:14  ka6sox:  nice, so it comes turned off in roadrunner?
Nov 27 02:41:34  stock kernel
Nov 27 02:42:26  rwhitby: if only they had included novacom drivers in devicetool.  of course, it's for developers so it wouldn't make sense for them to have done, but it would be nice..
Nov 27 02:42:52  destinal I think so.
Nov 27 02:43:18  I'm adding this stuff to the hardware section so that I don't have to dig thru 3000 pages of manual to find them again.
Nov 27 02:43:51  @rhwitby or destinal: one last question. can i simply hit symbol orange and u to get into usb drive mode?
Nov 27 02:44:14  PreCentralNesta: that or plug it in and hit USB drive, it should work like a normal pre now
Nov 27 02:45:38  @destinal. thanks
Nov 27 02:46:29  So, who has tested Govnah 0.7.7 ?
Nov 27 02:47:31 * oil did
Nov 27 02:47:55  ready for public feed do you think?
Nov 27 02:49:02  seems ok to me
Nov 27 02:55:10  I've been using it for a while now and haven't noticed any issues.
Nov 27 02:56:18  0.7.7?
Nov 27 02:56:27  it was only released an hour or so ago :)
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