**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 27 02:59:58 2010 Nov 27 03:03:26 oil: yeah but I've been testing it for weeks. you don't have that patch? Nov 27 03:04:25 the flux capacitor one Nov 27 03:04:39 lol Nov 27 03:11:32 Hello webOS Internals! Oil told me to drop by Nov 27 03:12:00 yeah Nov 27 03:12:06 to get your theme in preware Nov 27 03:13:07 basically, the theme preference changes the class on the body tag Nov 27 03:13:19 is this how you have done it? with your own class? or were you changing like palm-default? Nov 27 03:14:43 I was editing the palm-default theme. Remaking it using a separate class should be easy enough though Nov 27 03:15:02 yeah Nov 27 03:15:14 move it over Nov 27 03:15:22 and create your own like appcat.css file Nov 27 03:15:26 in the stylesheets folder Nov 27 03:15:36 sorry, wasn't really planning on it being included in PReware when I made it lol Nov 27 03:15:36 and link it in index.html to be loaded Nov 27 03:15:40 its ok Nov 27 03:15:45 but if you want to, just a few changes :) Nov 27 03:15:58 sure, I'm open to suggestions Nov 27 03:16:01 and any images put them in images/appcat Nov 27 03:16:21 gotcha Nov 27 03:16:25 then we change the preferences scene to do like "palm-default appcat" Nov 27 03:16:28 for the body class Nov 27 03:16:40 so you still get the palm-default base styles to work from Nov 27 03:17:04 sounds good to me :) Nov 27 03:17:30 were you changing html, or only css? Nov 27 03:17:59 i noticed something like the screenshot container being a palm-group vs whatever i did Nov 27 03:18:09 best not to change the html, and do it all in css Nov 27 03:18:10 I had to add a new div to a few scenes so it would properly display the background Nov 27 03:18:24 the background should be easy enough to make work without another div Nov 27 03:18:35 and yea, I used a group for the screenshots Nov 27 03:18:57 if you do like body.palm-default.appcat {baclground-image:url(etc);} Nov 27 03:19:38 I tried adding a background via other means, but it wouldn't stay positioned correctly when scrolling Nov 27 03:19:58 hm, well, i can help with that if you can't get it working without the divs Nov 27 03:20:02 :) Nov 27 03:20:02 ah that's a good point Nov 27 03:20:16 i assume you're packaging it and testing locally like that? Nov 27 03:20:26 i'm not exactly a master coder haha.. I play around with stuff until I get the result I want :) Nov 27 03:20:41 thats how i do it :) Nov 27 03:20:46 but pick up tricks as i go along Nov 27 03:20:50 I've been sending the modified files to the Emulator.. Makes testing very easy and quick Nov 27 03:21:04 except when he's copying my code Nov 27 03:21:07 so you weren't palm-packaging it? Nov 27 03:21:31 nope, just sending modified files using WOSQI Nov 27 03:21:36 ah Nov 27 03:21:43 ok Nov 27 03:21:58 well, i suggest starting fresh and moving your stuff out of the preware.css and stuff Nov 27 03:22:34 for testing Nov 27 03:22:44 of course. I'll probably have it finished tomorrow. I just reinstalled my OS and I'm still restoring all my stuff back Nov 27 03:22:52 change preferences-assistant.js Nov 27 03:23:00 around line 87 Nov 27 03:23:09 add a new choice for the theme listselector Nov 27 03:23:24 {label:$L("App Catalog"), value:'palm-default appcat'} Nov 27 03:23:41 then you can test your new theme without changing the existing ones Nov 27 03:23:49 ah thanks.. js isn't exactly my strong point Nov 27 03:24:01 its just that to add a new option to the theme selector Nov 27 03:24:10 then your body tag becomes body.palm-default.appcat Nov 27 03:24:11 yea, i understand that :) Nov 27 03:24:14 when selected :) Nov 27 03:24:36 oh wow, it all just clicked in my mind Nov 27 03:24:43 and in index.html, just duplicate line 8 Nov 27 03:24:48 to load stylesheets/appcat.css Nov 27 03:24:54 so we can keep it seperate from the defaults Nov 27 03:25:16 sounds good :) Nov 27 03:25:20 ok :) Nov 27 03:25:31 I'm excited to have one of my themes in Preware. :) Nov 27 03:25:41 well it looks good Nov 27 03:26:02 Hey, does that mean you guys will buy me a developer Pre2? haha just kidding. :) Nov 27 03:26:02 but once you get it working without touching any of the default files, we can get it in there Nov 27 03:26:20 lol Nov 27 03:26:26 quick question.. Nov 27 03:26:47 thanks, I put a lot of time and effort into themes :) Nov 27 03:26:47 anybody tried to port vlc to webos yet? Nov 27 03:27:26 Garrett92C: let me know if you need more help getting it setup Nov 27 03:27:47 svalue: i haven't Nov 27 03:28:19 @oil ok I will. Thanks for the help. :) Nov 27 03:28:27 thanks for making another theme :) Nov 27 03:28:44 no problem. I'm off to start working on it! Nov 27 03:29:56 awesome Nov 27 04:43:20 Hmmm... Has anyone had issue with overclocking where video, and only video, will cause graphical glitches? Nov 27 05:06:37 Although I suppose it's possible with PDK apps too... But since it's an unactivated dev device, no catalog. Nov 27 06:34:01 SineOt: it's unfortunate that we can't get catalog on random hardware or emulators without valid device tokens.. maybe with some kind of auth code sharing system we could slave catalog access into one device. but then I think it might get really confused. :P Nov 27 06:34:33 (the catalog and its record of that device's apps I mean) Nov 27 06:35:33 hmm, idea... Nov 27 06:37:22 I thought that I might be able to just repackage an IPK using files I already have from my authenticated Pixi... but it'd be moot, since I don't know if PDK apps would run if ported over or what Nov 27 06:38:18 if you mean pixi and pre, the only ipk's they can share is mojo / js apps. hybrid or native SDL apps won't work Nov 27 06:38:27 different cpu arch Nov 27 06:38:41 armv6 vs armv7 Nov 27 06:38:59 yup Nov 27 06:39:27 (although Palm's own PDK stuff says something about if you want a dual platform PDK app, just build for the Pixi) Nov 27 06:39:29 but yeah you can repack ipk's Nov 27 06:39:53 SineOt: hmm, is armv6 forwards compatible with v7? Nov 27 06:40:03 no idea, trying to find the bit about it Nov 27 06:40:09 err v7 backwards compatible with v6 I guess I mean Nov 27 06:40:21 mostly Nov 27 06:40:32 "To compile for both the Pre and Pixi, use the Pixi compiler options. You only need to compile specifically for the Pre if you need to boost your app's performance on the Pre." Nov 27 06:40:50 but some things are different on the video interface Nov 27 06:42:28 Repacking some IPKs is worth a shot though. Nov 27 06:42:44 Since it'd probably help me figure out this weird overclocking issue... Which sucks, really really bad. Nov 27 06:43:14 Web browsing and everything else is awesome at 1ghz, but having the screen rip and generally distort with static if you've got a video open too? Sucks. Nov 27 06:45:45 o\ crew Nov 27 06:45:51 hey muesli Nov 27 06:45:54 er, mugen- Nov 27 06:45:58 but hey to you too muesli Nov 27 06:46:22 everyone survive the most rediculous of shopping days? Nov 27 06:46:28 yes Nov 27 06:46:40 stayed home? ;) Nov 27 06:46:46 hey SineOt ;-) Nov 27 06:46:50 we managed to get one of the Target door buster Bluray players... At 2 in the afternoon. WTF. Nov 27 06:46:57 got lucky there :] Nov 27 06:46:59 jesus Nov 27 06:47:12 dude, bluray players were on crazy sale Nov 27 06:47:24 $59 for a toshiba at some places Nov 27 06:47:28 yeah, this is one of the like wireless internet fancy sony ones... Was 99 Nov 27 06:47:39 i mean, not feature rich... but still... a bdray player none the less Nov 27 06:47:46 just need to run some cat6 over to it so we can get some Netflix streaming on it too Nov 27 06:47:51 nice... netflix and stuff? Nov 27 06:47:54 yup Nov 27 06:47:56 yeah, thats awesome Nov 27 06:48:09 Netflix, Slacker, couple other apps... Those are really the only two I care about though Nov 27 06:48:18 i got my mom a original nook for xmas... on sale for only $89 Nov 27 06:48:27 which was almost 50% off Nov 27 06:48:41 was it the wifi one, or the wifi+3g? Nov 27 06:48:45 just wifi Nov 27 06:49:02 they didn't have any 3gs :( Nov 27 06:49:17 but yeah... 2TB seagates only 89 bucks Nov 27 06:49:33 orly Nov 27 06:49:34 insane Nov 27 06:49:47 yup... Nov 27 06:49:56 Target had 2TB WD for 69 :< Nov 27 06:50:11 see! ugh... i'm outta space on my htpc setup :( Nov 27 06:50:13 And 1TB WD usb powered ones for the same price... But those were long gone by the time we got there. Nov 27 06:50:20 yup Nov 27 06:50:24 Why that bluray player was still there I have no idea. Nov 27 06:50:27 the 2.5" passports right? Nov 27 06:50:30 yeah Nov 27 06:50:47 wanted one of those for my media since I move my Mini between the house and my gf's place all the time Nov 27 06:51:02 yeah, i have an og 320gb Nov 27 06:51:07 i love it... tiny as hell Nov 27 06:51:11 and we hook it up with Boxee to the bigscreen sometimes but dragging my 3.5" out sucks Nov 27 06:51:19 yup Nov 27 06:51:31 this only has 160gb internal... my 3.5 external is 500gb Nov 27 06:51:42 just anything with only usb power so I don't need a brick would have been awesome Nov 27 06:51:50 you're using boxee on a mac? Nov 27 06:51:54 yup Nov 27 06:51:58 should be using Plex dude Nov 27 06:52:14 i wish i had a mac for an htpc setup :( Nov 27 06:52:21 plex is awesomesauce Nov 27 06:52:47 Plex > XBMC || Boxee Nov 27 06:53:17 plus there was a press release that LG is looking to integrate Plex into future TVs... which will be stellar Nov 27 06:53:33 did some sort of strategic partnership Nov 27 06:53:42 I'll give it a shot, yeah Nov 27 06:53:57 and heh, my Mac is my main machine... it just gets hooked up to the TV sometimes too :p Nov 27 06:54:07 ah Nov 27 06:54:25 I was using Boxee just because it's like, the same on my netbook running Linux too. Kind of want to get one of the Boxee boxes too. That remote is awesome Nov 27 06:54:36 I have a PPC mini but like all the media apps are intel only, it sucks Nov 27 06:54:37 only thing to note about Plex... is when you're running all the non native stuff (web content, etc) it goes through a little server process that can be glitchy Nov 27 06:54:47 it's hybrid in the same way wIRC is hybrid Nov 27 06:54:51 I think there might be a PPC XBMC though... Might have to look into it Nov 27 06:55:07 since that PPC mini is sitting idle under my desk right now Nov 27 06:55:11 I use it as a foot rest :p Nov 27 06:55:13 yea Nov 27 06:55:15 lol Nov 27 06:55:21 i want a boxee remote Nov 27 06:55:24 * mugen- drools Nov 27 06:55:46 qwerty keyboard on the back of a remote?! cmon! why'd it take SO long for someone to design it! Nov 27 06:55:48 I was thinking of writing one for webOS since it looks like it'd be easy Nov 27 06:55:57 since it's just passing stuff to a webserver Nov 27 06:56:02 yup Nov 27 06:56:11 all the xbmc apps are rubbish Nov 27 06:56:17 i was thinking about the same project Nov 27 06:56:22 (and the one that is in preware is p. uh... ugly) Nov 27 06:56:28 hehe Nov 27 06:57:15 i'm still trying to figure out a way to network a couple branch locations (mom, sister, etc) to my xbmc and dlna servers Nov 27 06:57:25 we all have 25/10mbit pipes Nov 27 06:57:52 you know what I have? 3/.5 :I Nov 27 06:57:54 but there's nothing reliable out there, and i hate the complexity of moving the media around to each of the houses Nov 27 06:57:59 :\ Nov 27 06:58:01 with four people using it Nov 27 06:58:03 dsl? Nov 27 06:58:06 yup Nov 27 06:58:10 hate it. hate it so, so much Nov 27 06:58:11 no cable? Nov 27 06:58:37 when we got it we didn't have cable tv so we just went with it since we already had phone Nov 27 06:58:46 trying to get them to move over to cable though Nov 27 06:58:49 ah i see Nov 27 06:58:57 you in comcast or cox area? Nov 27 06:58:58 for the same price as we're paying now, cable offers like 8/2 packages Nov 27 06:59:02 charter :I Nov 27 06:59:31 I have no idea if they suck or not for internet which well, sucks Nov 27 06:59:48 :( Nov 27 07:00:51 ...yeah, i've never heard of charter before Nov 27 07:01:16 but good luck bro... i'd be pulling my hair out >_< Nov 27 07:01:28 eh you get used to it after a while Nov 27 07:01:37 I save all my big downloads for when I'm out at my gf's place :p Nov 27 07:01:40 she has the fast internet Nov 27 07:02:56 yeah speedtest.net is saying it's like 12mbit... which is awesome when all I've got at home is 3 lol Nov 27 07:17:18 Have you guys pushed out a new version of the version pushed out today of Preware? The one I downloaded (that detects if you're on 2.0) doesn't seem to be working, nor Govnah. Unless those were only for people on 2.0, in which case I wonder why they pushed to me who am still on 1.4.5 Nov 27 07:18:44 Zen00: what's not working about them? Nov 27 07:19:39 the changes were to make it work more better on webos2, shouldnt have effected its function on 145 at all Nov 27 07:19:55 It says when I start Preware the "The service is not running. Try restarting, etc.) Nov 27 07:19:55 I'm running Preware 1.4.5 on webOS 1.4.5 on my production device Nov 27 07:20:09 how did you install it? Nov 27 07:20:11 I think I'm on 1.4.4 Nov 27 07:20:26 And Govnah 0.7.6 Nov 27 07:20:32 Which isn't working either. Nov 27 07:20:36 govnah has nothing to do with preware Nov 27 07:20:53 Well neither is working since I installed the update earlier today. Nov 27 07:20:57 both of those are a version back from the changes we made today Nov 27 07:21:01 Through Preware since you asked. Nov 27 07:21:40 Well, I don't know then, as I said update, and they updated as far as I know, maybe something went wrong and they're half updated, don't know what would cause that. Nov 27 07:22:53 I'll try restarting and see what that does, I was experimenting with hot swapping earlier, don't know if that would have had an effect though. Nov 27 07:23:06 hot swapping what? Nov 27 07:23:08 hot swapping? Nov 27 07:23:10 lol Nov 27 07:23:37 I was trying to find a way to hot swap my battery, but it didn't really work. Nov 27 07:23:47 oh my god. Nov 27 07:24:14 :/ Nov 27 07:24:18 no wonder your service is screwed, you've probably corrupted the filesystem or something. Nov 27 07:24:46 Meh, I'll just doctor then, no problem, I use Save/Restore! Nov 27 07:24:47 how would you even do that Nov 27 07:24:50 catastrophic power failure is the worst thing you can do to a Pre. Nov 27 07:25:14 like seriously how would you even hot swap that Nov 27 07:25:15 Then they obviously didn't plan for me owning one. :P Nov 27 07:25:21 Very quickly... Nov 27 07:25:36 In various power states. Nov 27 07:25:51 To see if consumption was a factor. Nov 27 07:26:29 Or I'll just not bother till 2.0 is available in some fashion on Sprint. Nov 27 07:26:44 I've used machines with worse kinks. Nov 27 07:26:46 next time you report a problem with Preware, you might want to mention that you've been exercising repeated catastrophic power failure up front. then I'll know to ignore the problem report. Nov 27 07:27:09 I can only hope that if 2.0 gets bogged down by carriers, that doctors will somehow end up on the Palm download servers... Cough Nov 27 07:27:10 lol Nov 27 07:27:38 That 1.4.5 Sprint Pixi doctor that showed up 3 weeks early? Yaaaaaay Nov 27 07:28:12 If I have a need to in the future, I'll let you know I've been abusing my Pre next time. Nov 27 07:28:15 * oil had 145 doctors from the early access for months before it was on sprint Nov 27 07:28:21 i finally put it on my main device Nov 27 07:28:26 I wonder if just using WOSQI would work. Nov 27 07:28:27 NEXT DAY, its released ota Nov 27 07:28:32 hah Nov 27 07:28:43 so you can thank me for that getting out :) Nov 27 07:28:50 I do a clean install with every major update anyways. Nov 27 07:29:28 I'll tell you what, you held it back, that's what oil, if only you'd installed it earlier! Nov 27 07:29:36 yeah Nov 27 07:29:48 its like how it rains right after i wash my car Nov 27 07:30:02 That's why I have a scooter, never have to worry about that. Nov 27 07:30:27 It's why I drive a truck it's supposed to look dirty. :V Nov 27 07:31:12 Tell that to my fleet coordinator. :P Nov 27 07:31:30 He had me washing that thing every month, even during sub-freezing winter temperatures. Nov 27 07:31:43 And all we had was buckets and a hose too. Nov 27 07:31:53 when I worked at Disneyland we had to wash the Autopia cars... Even when it was raining. :I Nov 27 07:31:58 I hated that so freaking much Nov 27 07:32:06 Kinda pointless really. Nov 27 07:32:34 So, anyone here ever used NMR? Nov 27 07:33:25 NMR? Nov 27 07:33:44 Probably not. Dang, the one thing I'm good at just doesn't convey well to the general public, or to general use until I'm a fully certified Phd. Nov 27 07:33:53 neuro-magnetic resonance. Nov 27 07:33:57 Nuclear Magnetic Resonance. Nov 27 07:34:11 My brother has had a few of those :o Nov 27 07:34:13 You use it to determine the structure of atomic molecules. Nov 27 07:34:36 no but I've fried sparrows in mid flight :D Nov 27 07:34:44 It's kinda cool, as it involves things that look like atomic bombs sitting in the middle of our college campus. Nov 27 07:35:04 And if you get close to them, they wipe all your electronics. Nov 27 07:35:05 remind me NOT to go to that campus Nov 27 07:35:42 If you ever need something analyzed to see what's in it, that's where you go. Nov 27 07:36:02 To know if it's dangerous or something, or if it's the next super battery material. Nov 27 07:36:51 sounds like Sandia Labs Nov 27 07:37:14 * xcomp feels like crap Nov 27 07:37:27 Somehow I installed warthog on my phone without thinking Nov 27 07:37:32 i was trying to install uber Nov 27 07:37:40 The only problem with that is, most people can go their whole lives without needing that kind of information. You might call it the little background device that makes all our electronics work without you knowing it. Nov 27 07:37:40 was forced to doctor :( Nov 27 07:37:45 aw, why? Nov 27 07:37:47 :/ Nov 27 07:37:52 It's not dangerous. Nov 27 07:38:02 you could have membooted the stock kernel and removed it via preware Nov 27 07:38:04 At least not right now. Nov 27 07:38:13 SineOt: I could have? Nov 27 07:38:24 * SineOt did that earlier, since SR71 wouldn't boot on his Pre... Just sat at the Palm logo for an hour Nov 27 07:38:32 damnit Nov 27 07:38:44 yeah... I membooted the kernel from the ATT 1.4.5 doctor, then uninstalled SR71 via Preware Nov 27 07:38:45 my text messages are gone :( Nov 27 07:38:49 Well, if you used Save/Restore, most important things should be there. Nov 27 07:38:59 I don't ever want to keep those anyways. Nov 27 07:39:01 i can restore most stuff with save/restore Nov 27 07:39:12 but I hate to lose text messages Nov 27 07:39:17 Unless you actually store important information in them. Nov 27 07:39:26 there's important stuff in there Nov 27 07:39:29 I keep a notebook on hand at all times for that. Nov 27 07:39:43 SineOt: nice. Nov 27 07:39:47 conversations you want to keep etc. Nov 27 07:40:11 somehow I've never needed to memboot a stock kernel. I've membooted installer plenty of times Nov 27 07:40:11 Meh, no one ever talks to me in such a meaningful way as for me to want to keep it. Nov 27 07:40:30 destinal: yeah, after testing Pixi overclocking with memboot, and just discovering it even existing, it's come in handy a few times Nov 27 07:40:39 Kinda makes the phone use of my phone almost pointless really. Nov 27 07:41:00 destinal: I membooted the stock one because I didn't want to bother doctoring, and couldn't figure out how to uninstall a package via novaterm with the installer kernel Nov 27 07:41:04 restoring my phone back to its hacked glory is going to be a major pain Nov 27 07:41:41 Is there a way to restore patches? Nov 27 07:41:43 at least I'll finally be rid of the app install bug Nov 27 07:42:10 i don't know if save/restore saves preware packages Nov 27 07:42:39 Doctoring didn't fix it for me. Nov 27 07:43:00 didn't? Are we talking about the same bug? Nov 27 07:43:31 Yeah, the one that says there's updates when there isn't. Nov 27 07:43:59 no, not that one ... the one where it says "Installed package X" but it doesn't actually finish installation until you restart luna Nov 27 07:44:07 Zen00: there's another bug where you get a ghost app that blocks all installs/updates Nov 27 07:44:20 Ah. Nov 27 07:44:27 so basically every time I installed or updated an app, I had to restart luna Nov 27 07:44:39 You'd think those would have been fixed a while ago, as well as the webpages half-loading. Nov 27 07:44:48 Those are the only ones I've had problems with so far. Nov 27 07:45:28 Hopefully they get tackled with 2.0, I guess Nov 27 07:45:42 I think a lot of stuff that could have been fixed by now got held back to just get rolled into 2.0 Nov 27 07:45:52 ahhh crap Nov 27 07:46:10 I think the web-page loading bug is still in 2.0 Nov 27 07:46:12 i totally forgot about memboot. I would rather have done that and kept my system intact. I want to go shoot something now Nov 27 07:46:27 xcomp: haha, don't do that! Nov 27 07:46:36 Before I did this I wiped my Pixi with doctoring like 8 times Nov 27 07:46:43 Depends on your weapon, you're welcome to use nerf darts. Nov 27 07:46:57 SineOt: first time I've ever doctored. Nov 27 07:47:09 so that's over a year's worth of stuff Nov 27 07:47:25 you're better at not screwing stuff up than I am, apparently :p Nov 27 07:47:34 You should do it every time a major update rolls out anyways. Nov 27 07:47:43 For optimal performance. Nov 27 07:47:55 Zen00: true, and I kinda felt like I was going to have to doctor at some point anyway Nov 27 07:48:02 I'm probably going to do that with 2.0, yeah Nov 27 07:48:05 At this point I was holding out until I get a new phone Nov 27 07:48:41 It's kinda a pain reinstalling everything, but it's always a good feeling once it's done. Nov 27 07:49:04 Can't wait to do it on my computer, when I finally get an SSD. Nov 27 07:49:14 it's not really a pain, though. Makes you reevaluate everything Nov 27 07:49:25 each time I doctor or lose patches I end up with fewer and fewer of them Nov 27 07:49:43 At some point I'm going to get as close to perfect as I can! :P Nov 27 07:49:44 a few 3D games. I have to sit here for a couple of hours waiting for everything to install before I can start hackery Nov 27 07:50:13 SineOt: I actually do that from time to time ... take stock of what I have installed and what I really need Nov 27 07:50:32 I did a major preware cleanout recently and it did improve performance noticeably Nov 27 07:51:12 ugh I'm trying to like, get some coding done and I just keep sitting here staring at my monitor doing nothing :p Nov 27 07:51:38 i ordered an SSD yesterday, but I will not be installing from scratch. I'm just going to clone my root partition onto it. Nov 27 07:51:39 Argh! The new Intel 120Gb SSD is now $200, it's so hard to tell myself to wait till it's $1 per gig. Nov 27 07:52:00 Zen00: someone was offering $1/gig SSDs yesterday Nov 27 07:52:07 don't remember who, saw it on engadget Nov 27 07:52:19 Did you get Intel, or Sandforce? Nov 27 07:52:29 The controller I mean. Nov 27 07:52:52 i got the kingston ssdnow from newegg Nov 27 07:53:02 heyho! Nov 27 07:53:22 hey ice8lue Nov 27 07:53:23 Those are all right, because they use the Intel controller. Nov 27 07:54:16 Right now the only two that are recommended are Intel and Sandforce controllers, everything is kinda bad. Nov 27 07:54:25 I'd love an SSD, but they're so costy D: Nov 27 07:54:43 The new Indylink controllers are better, but still not on par, you'll have to wait for next year if you want good ones there. Nov 27 07:55:00 I think I'm going to over the next few months try to upgrade my Mini with 4GB of RAM and a 7200 RPM drive... I think those are my two major bottlenecks right now Nov 27 07:55:02 That's why I'm waiting till they're $1 per gig. Nov 27 07:55:17 I decided to go with a 64 gigger ... the main thing I need is to put my OS on it for speed, and that's big enough for that purpose Nov 27 07:55:34 personal data can stay on the 1TB platter Nov 27 07:56:01 ... In a few months there will be a major drop in price for SSDs, this is because a new tech node will have become available allowing them to produce twice as much data on each stick of silicon as before. Nov 27 07:56:23 So don't get a 7200 RPM drive, you'll be able to pick up a much cheaper SSD then. Nov 27 07:56:32 yeah ... once we start seeing 17nm flash Nov 27 07:56:34 And get one with 128Gb. Nov 27 07:56:39 Actually its 22nm. Nov 27 07:57:08 Zen00: I believe 17nm CMOS processes are already being developed Nov 27 07:57:11 Why 128? Because there's more channel controllers which means that they're about twice as fast as the 64gb ones. Nov 27 07:57:20 or 18nm, I forget Nov 27 07:57:25 It's in development, but what's just become available is the 22nm. Nov 27 07:57:51 They've been sitting on it for several months, stock piling till after the holidays so they can make a profit off all the old tech. Nov 27 07:58:16 Zen00: yeah I'm aware of 22nm ... my company (TI) is already developing a 22nm embedded flash node Nov 27 07:58:20 for uCs Nov 27 07:58:22 The fab that makes it is just down the way from where I live. Nov 27 07:58:37 Zen00: mm, fair enough. I'll wait on it Nov 27 07:58:39 different from NAND flash though Nov 27 07:58:48 Is it MLC? Nov 27 07:58:51 I'd still like to get more RAM though :p Nov 27 07:59:27 Definetly, if you don't have 4GB, you're living on the razor edge if you have modern software and games on your system. Nov 27 07:59:32 it's not for mass storage, it's on-chip ROM for industrial/app-specific microcontrollers Nov 27 07:59:38 Ah. Nov 27 08:00:01 Oh and, make sure you're using a 64-bit capable operating system. Nov 27 08:00:27 Yup yup. :p Nov 27 08:00:27 running linux Nov 27 08:00:28 Otherwise you'll be only getting ~3Gb. Nov 27 08:01:02 I've got 10.6, it's 64 bit capable. :p Nov 27 08:01:29 I wish that people were more into building there own computers than going to the big box store. It's something I'm good at and enjoy, I'd love to build them for a hobby. Nov 27 08:01:42 you know what else is 64 bit capable Nov 27 08:01:45 my butt LOL Nov 27 08:01:45 Looking at it, most everything I'm running is running in 64 bit mode. Except for one app that's running in PPC mode. WTF. Nov 27 08:02:22 Yeah, hopefully 32-bit will die a quick death (though we know it won't). Nov 27 08:03:50 i'm notoriously slow to upgrade my PC though Nov 27 08:03:58 Too bad phones are too small for the controller chips in a real SSD, then we'd have some really smoking phones. Nov 27 08:04:24 From what I hear, an SSD is the best improvement to be made to a computer from a speed standpoint right now. Nov 27 08:04:41 it took me until late last year before I finally upgraded from a single core CPU Nov 27 08:05:04 And too bad I don't have 4k lying around to buy one of those PCI express cards that run at ~1Gb/s Nov 27 08:05:07 Zen00: yeah -- that was my motivation. THey are so much faster than HDDs Nov 27 08:05:23 I upgraded to a new Intel Mini last year... From a 1.25ghz G4 PPC Mini. Nov 27 08:05:25 And hopefully won't break as easily. Nov 27 08:05:34 Ouch. Nov 27 08:05:43 Which in turn was an upgrade from the year before where I was using a 350mhz G3 tower. :V Nov 27 08:05:43 I'm on a 5-year upgrade cycle. Nov 27 08:05:53 if I had more money than I knew what to do with, I'd get one of those hexacore CPUs and toss in a TB or two of storage running on PCIe SSDs Nov 27 08:06:14 Yeah, I ran 10.4 on a 350mhz G3. I don't know why I punished myself like that. Nov 27 08:06:24 A good AMD triple core only costs $75, if you really want something that runs well. Nov 27 08:06:35 thta's what I'm running right now Nov 27 08:06:50 The Athlon 460? Nov 27 08:07:28 phenom II X3 Nov 27 08:08:17 The only problem with AMD I have right now is they have a little high power consumption. If the new Bulldozer cores and such turn out to be as good as the reviews are finding them (Zacate) then I just might have to turn AMD all the way. Nov 27 08:08:25 before that I was constantly irritated by the fact that I couldn't even watch full screen video at a decent rate Nov 27 08:08:29 It's always good to support my favorite underdogs in the silicon world. Nov 27 08:08:58 Buying ATI was one of the best decisions they made, in the long run. Nov 27 08:09:18 yeah, I think that's going to be a long term strategic advantage for them Nov 27 08:09:34 as they start to figure out how to integrate GPU and CPU technology Nov 27 08:09:56 and gain performance advantages where Intel can't Nov 27 08:09:57 and with decent GPUs, not the crap that Intel seems to be pushing so hard :( Nov 27 08:10:02