**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010 Nov 30 03:00:14 salutations Nov 30 03:03:55 cheers... Nov 30 03:14:36 I just installed Preware for the first time Nov 30 03:14:56 nice Nov 30 03:22:32 seems like VisualBoyAdvance doesn't allow me to select a rom Nov 30 03:22:41 on WebOS 2.0 Nov 30 03:24:06 i wonder if it was ever tested on the new Pre2 Nov 30 03:24:55 I don't think so, I don't know if that dev got a pre2 Nov 30 03:25:20 oh well Nov 30 03:28:56 opdynamiks: sorry to hear that! Nov 30 03:29:26 opdynamiks: thansk for reporting it! halfhalo is righ, no pre2 here yet. Nov 30 03:29:50 waiting for the coupon from palm Nov 30 03:31:01 silly dtzWill, coupons are for kids! Nov 30 03:31:47 lol ;] Nov 30 03:31:59 haha oh ok. yeah seems just like a UI problem, like the fileviewer won't let me click to select a ROM Nov 30 03:32:06 halfhalo: hey coupons are delicious and timeless. Nov 30 03:32:21 so what if i'm a rabbit :(. thought we were an open community Nov 30 03:32:32 :p Nov 30 03:33:07 opdynamiks: hmm. i checked the changes and didn'tanticipate any issues, but it hapens i suppose :) Nov 30 03:33:38 opdynamiks: thanks again, if you pm me your email or something i acn let you know when i fix it. Nov 30 03:33:45 dtzWill : is the rom selector a webview? Nov 30 03:34:43 opdynamiks: absolutely not. :/. one reviewer wrote "it looks like the ui from an atari, and I don't mean that as a compliment" Nov 30 03:35:10 heh Nov 30 03:35:47 at some point i'm gonna go back and spruce it up but for now functionality is sufficient. Nov 30 03:35:53 who are the navit folks? Nov 30 03:35:59 what i was trying to say with atari comment is... if it were a webview it'd look a lot better :) Nov 30 03:36:04 2 germans ka6sox :P Nov 30 03:36:22 ohhh yeah that makes sense. Nov 30 03:36:42 very sorry, if i don't get a pre2 soon i'll find someone who dose and figure out what's going wrong. Nov 30 03:37:04 don't worry I never tried it before anyway Nov 30 03:37:41 you're missing out ;) :D Nov 30 03:38:55 visual boy advance and superNES expand the app catalog a hundred-fold Nov 30 03:39:15 get to play super mario world, donkey kong country, and pokemon on the go Nov 30 03:39:29 one of the few things I can rub in the face of my iPhone friends Nov 30 03:40:00 i got no iphone friends :( Nov 30 03:40:19 I go to university so pretty much everyone here is an apple-head Nov 30 03:40:26 iPhone, mac book, etc. Nov 30 03:40:31 apple made it, they have it Nov 30 03:41:06 oh man I wish they had organized the whole coupon thing better Nov 30 03:41:28 as I understand it there are a few people going through each coupon request individually Nov 30 03:41:42 and they got way more requests than they anticipated Nov 30 03:42:35 dtzWill: I was thinking it might be cool if the rom launcher was styled like the app launcher Nov 30 03:42:55 users could choose icons for their roms and launch roms by clicking their icons Nov 30 03:43:13 rsanchez1: that'd be amazing :). Nov 30 03:43:32 add a type-to-search-feature like the app launcher Nov 30 03:43:39 and that'd be cool :) Nov 30 03:43:57 that would be cool too but I only have like 20 roms so I wouldn't need it much Nov 30 03:44:03 they're organized alphabetically anyway Nov 30 03:44:34 yeah gota scale to those with 1000 ROMs too Nov 30 03:44:54 I don't know how difficult it would be to make an app launcher using the PDK, but there are a lot of ways to do it with html+javascript Nov 30 03:45:05 it'd be a challenge :). Nov 30 03:45:10 whoa 1000 ROMs? Nov 30 03:45:28 haha I've never even had that many games Nov 30 03:45:49 you can plug in to the JustType system and type the name of your game at the home screen and it would say "Play Final Fantasy VI" Nov 30 03:46:35 thing is, you don't want to put a real game in a hybrid, they don't get 5 input points etc from what they said at devdays, but if you were to, say have a hybrid that exec'd the SDL game binary so that it opened in another window, hmmm Nov 30 03:46:44 opdynamiks: yes. when i get a pre2 so i can play with webos 2.0 i hope to do just that. Nov 30 03:46:45 and am very very excited abuot using it... fequently :) Nov 30 03:47:27 open in another window, put it in the same stack Nov 30 03:47:32 webOS 2.0 to the rescue again Nov 30 03:47:42 destinal: there's an idea. Nov 30 03:47:55 glad you all a solving vba problems for me. xD :D Nov 30 03:47:57 that sounds like a nice model. you can swipe away the game screen to go back to the launcher Nov 30 03:48:22 maybe ou can... play two games at once? @.@ Nov 30 03:48:24 muahahahahaha Nov 30 03:48:39 you can't do that right now? Nov 30 03:48:43 dtzWill: you could use a preware style hybrid look and feel too allowing categorization and such Nov 30 03:48:44 * rsanchez1 tries ir Nov 30 03:49:10 and justtype of course Nov 30 03:49:24 oh, you can't :( Nov 30 03:49:37 meh just play one vba one supernes Nov 30 03:49:39 haha Nov 30 03:50:05 dtzWill: I'm excited about bluetooth in 2.0, I see *controllers* in our future :) Nov 30 03:50:11 rsanchez1: do what, sorry? Nov 30 03:50:18 play two games at once Nov 30 03:50:24 destinal: yes!! Nov 30 03:50:35 i anticipate a very busy xmas break :D Nov 30 03:50:42 maybe control it using a wii mote... Nov 30 03:50:52 rsanchez1: nah, you can't. but you can switch between two with autosave which works well enough Nov 30 03:51:03 that's the only bluetooth-enabled controller I know Nov 30 03:51:12 they make/sell ones for phones too Nov 30 03:51:33 pretty sure the DualShock 3 or whatever is BT too Nov 30 03:52:00 dtzWill: ZeeMote -- http://goo.gl/O8t9N Nov 30 03:52:01 forget bluetooth keyboards, give me controllers! Nov 30 03:52:26 one-handed Nov 30 03:52:35 gaming, and blackberry? Nov 30 03:52:40 I thought those didn't mix Nov 30 03:52:45 * ashi_colocated bought a bluetooth keyboard already... pre 2 should arrive tomorrow :) Nov 30 03:52:53 rsanchez1: heh, who cares what phone it's for originally Nov 30 03:53:10 yeah but, marketing it for blackberry? Nov 30 03:53:49 if they have it for blackberry, they have to have one for iPhone/Android Nov 30 03:56:52 (sorry in/out, tethered and on train through nowhere land) Nov 30 03:57:10 rsanchez1: no official bluetooth joystick support in iOS I think Nov 30 03:57:43 this looks very nice: http://www.taranfx.com/android-iphone-game-controller Nov 30 03:57:49 would be nice if they handled bt for you and just exposed a joystick interface :) Nov 30 03:58:01 via sdl or w/e :) Nov 30 03:59:14 well they handle it for you with keyboards right? Nov 30 04:00:10 do they? Nov 30 04:00:15 i've been busy and without a pre2 to play with so just haven't looked into it yet. Nov 30 04:01:47 I just assumed they did since eveyone talks about bt keyboards Nov 30 04:12:19 [mbm]: so persist.service.adb.enable=0 in the default.prop _does_ get overriden by the file in properties directory? Nov 30 04:12:58 sigh misclick - ignore Nov 30 06:58:48 morning Nov 30 07:02:22 evening Nov 30 07:52:36 t Nov 30 08:52:28 hello everybody Nov 30 08:52:36 g'day webosos Nov 30 08:52:54 hello Nov 30 08:53:09 这里有人吗? Nov 30 08:53:30 hello / Nov 30 08:54:08 I use browers Nov 30 09:54:01 is there a resource leak bug in webos or sconix top bar/mode switcher patches? Nov 30 09:55:35 dunno, what are you observing? Nov 30 10:29:53 rwhitby: pid 1007 ( ithink) is constantly counting up used handles in jstop Nov 30 10:30:07 i think its the pid managing the top bar Nov 30 10:30:44 atm i got 148 handles, and i can increase that reading by tapping the top bar, doing some gestures on the gesture area Nov 30 10:30:48 isn't there a jtop on the device? Nov 30 10:31:21 there is... what is ist? Nov 30 10:31:31 s/ist/it/ Nov 30 10:31:31 DThought meant: there is... what is it? Nov 30 10:32:48 its a process monitor for java Nov 30 10:33:02 oh jstop...got it Nov 30 10:33:02 that sits pretty idle... Nov 30 10:33:23 need to get better info than pid 1007 Nov 30 10:33:35 jstop is process monitor for javascript... homebrew app Nov 30 10:33:36 uninstall the topbar patch and see if it goes away :D Nov 30 10:37:48 { "appId":"com.palm.systemui 1007","refCount":"com.palm.systemui 1007","url":"file:///usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui/index.html","openServiceHandles":147,"nodes":123 } Nov 30 10:37:59 ka6sox: well, yes ,) Nov 30 10:39:31 this is with the topbar disabled? Nov 30 10:39:33 (the patch) Nov 30 10:39:46 or is that a patch. Nov 30 10:40:41 this is with it enabled... that are ac couple of patches Nov 30 10:40:47 topbar / mode switcher et al Nov 30 10:46:27 ya, multiple patches and you never know whats causing it till you unload them 1 by 1 Nov 30 11:05:31 DThought: what value are you seeing increase? Nov 30 11:15:05 openServiceHandles Nov 30 11:15:38 and it does increase without sconix topbar patches, too Nov 30 11:16:10 yep, increasing 9 handles each time the device menu is opened Nov 30 11:16:18 i.e. Nov 30 11:16:43 or increasing 1 to 2 each time i do swipe up on guesture bar to see all apps, and click back on the app again Nov 30 11:18:46 mine went up to 210, then back down to 83 Nov 30 11:19:10 so it's just normal garbage collection probably Nov 30 11:40:27 rwhitby: i had it show 1000+ Nov 30 11:51:08 but yes... that was with patches applied Nov 30 13:58:53 I royally messed up my palm pre sprint; I used the webosdoctor about three four five times now, i've been talking with tech support and my trouble ticket was elevated to level three; i honestly don't know what to do any more? Nov 30 13:59:14 it just will not allow me to sign into my palm profile Nov 30 14:05:51 can anyone help me here Nov 30 14:57:22 can anyone please help me Nov 30 15:05:41 CyanFOX: there's not much we can do if you've doctored successfully and there's a problem with your profile. you could metadoctor and skip first use / activation but then you either won't have cellular data service or your profile still won't work, one or the other Nov 30 15:06:12 what is metadoctor? Nov 30 15:08:31 oh destinal, Nov 30 15:08:35 it's a webos-internals project that builds custom doctors. probably easier still, palm makes a tool that would allow skipping the first use tool also Nov 30 15:08:40 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Nov 30 15:08:51 i just looked up meta doctor, it looks way too complex for me sir Nov 30 15:08:52 only needs their SDK installed Nov 30 15:09:27 but again, you may still have legitimate problems with either your data service or your palm profile and sprint or palm may need to fix them Nov 30 15:10:01 thank you so much destinal Nov 30 15:10:31 the bypass would let you use your device without whichever thing is causing the problem but if it's failing in the first place (which I've never personally seen) then there are other problems going on Nov 30 15:10:55 CyanFOX: you're welcome Nov 30 16:36:53 evening Nov 30 16:37:25 morning Nov 30 17:00:46 heyho Nov 30 17:01:16 Oil: I just installed Preware 1.4.6. I like what you did with my AppCat theme :D Nov 30 17:01:20 hello Nov 30 17:04:40 yeah nice work on those Nov 30 17:05:42 ty Nov 30 17:15:12 morn Nov 30 17:27:18 morning Nov 30 17:37:53 some new centos boxes to set up at work... bbl :) Nov 30 18:02:17 anyone here? Nov 30 18:03:00 where do I download preware Nov 30 18:03:35 hi Nov 30 18:03:57 rayray: install.preware.org Nov 30 18:06:47 wtf Nov 30 18:06:52 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/sys/2032025816.html Nov 30 18:06:58 that doesn't look right Nov 30 18:12:28 mugen: That's a pretty great price lol Nov 30 18:19:08 I think that's his problem Nov 30 19:19:28 Oil: I whipped up a background that matches the 2.0 AppCat :) http://twitpic.com/3bogll Nov 30 19:24:22 Garrett92C: is there no other changes but the background? Nov 30 19:24:29 * oilsworkn can't remember what the 2.0 catalog looks like now Nov 30 19:25:19 ive actually been thinking about changing the main-scene/pkg-list/etc scenes to have a "textbox" look at the top like the catalog does Nov 30 19:25:27 Oil: 2.0 App Catalog screenshot: http://twitpic.com/3bob4m Nov 30 19:25:45 That would be pretty cool. Nov 30 19:26:06 Oh, and I would need to make a new top and bottom fade for the new background Nov 30 19:26:11 you should pm your background image to "oil" though Nov 30 19:26:16 so i got it when im at home Nov 30 19:26:22 bah, bouncer ftw Nov 30 19:26:33 * oilsworkn ignores halfhalo Nov 30 19:26:41 Generally a good idea Nov 30 19:27:00 PM you at Precentral? Nov 30 19:27:06 no, in irc Nov 30 19:27:09 just to oil Nov 30 19:27:14 not oilsworkn :/ Nov 30 19:27:20 oh.. I dont know how to do that lol Nov 30 19:27:24 um Nov 30 19:27:26 Last time someone listened to me we... borrowed... a bridge Nov 30 19:27:33 /msg oil hey there? Nov 30 19:27:45 or /query Nov 30 19:27:49 something like that Nov 30 19:27:49 oh alright lol. I'm a noob with IRC Nov 30 19:28:39 I'll figure it out Nov 30 21:03:59 heyho =) Nov 30 21:12:08 heyo Nov 30 21:38:51 hey swisstomcat =) did u think about the pre? Nov 30 21:39:09 what about it? Nov 30 21:39:24 mh you offered me your pre Nov 30 21:40:14 have to think about it Nov 30 21:41:08 okay ;) Nov 30 22:49:53 mugen-: :p Nov 30 22:50:25 hehe Nov 30 22:52:54 I should probably set up that webOS twitter account I've been meaning to Nov 30 22:53:31 webos-specific? Nov 30 22:53:42 er, yeah Nov 30 23:53:58 hey Nov 30 23:54:33 hi Nov 30 23:54:51 hows it going? Nov 30 23:55:15 its... going Nov 30 23:55:28 haha Nov 30 23:55:32 hey dtzWill you here? Nov 30 23:56:57 decibell_: hello :) Nov 30 23:57:01 you caught me! :) Nov 30 23:57:26 :D Nov 30 23:57:57 hey dtzWill, umm I have a project I'm taking up, do you mind pm? Nov 30 23:58:01 decibell_: just saying 'ello (hello! :D) or something else? Nov 30 23:58:02 ah, sure. Nov 30 23:58:06 (ps it's b3ll if you remember me :P ) Nov 30 23:58:14 i do :). Nov 30 23:58:20 pm away Nov 30 23:58:33 appreciate asking first, but i'm not generally picky or grumpy about it :) Nov 30 23:59:04 haha okay Nov 30 23:59:30 * halfhalo fires up the bulk pm app Dec 01 00:19:04 anyone know if compiling a newer kernel for the pre is safe? Dec 01 00:19:20 or would actually be functional? :P Dec 01 00:20:46 its been done Dec 01 00:21:13 halfhalo and it's functional? Dec 01 00:21:28 halfhalo: by who? Dec 01 00:21:56 * halfhalo totaly missed the newer there Dec 01 00:22:04 lol! Dec 01 00:22:09 rwhitby: pm? Dec 01 00:22:29 mah bad Dec 01 00:22:55 I'm way curious to see if someone can shoe horn in a newer build of webkit Dec 01 00:23:54 decibell_: sure Dec 01 00:33:32 SineOt: doubtful. palm makes some interface changes which iirc is not released. you are welcome to try Dec 01 00:44:05 https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=Network+Controlled+Fast+Dormancy Dec 01 00:48:07 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=7m-MnwW_o7AC&pg=PA441&lpg=PA441&dq=Network+Controlled+Fast+Dormancy&source=bl&ots=2nxlDemYRl&sig=Feg0yz_ThhU70jmvkEQr3QTHpYI&hl=en&ei=5Zj1TIHRLMf0cMy8yOgE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Network%20Controlled%20Fast%20Dormancy&f=false **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 01 02:59:57 2010