**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 02 02:59:58 2010 Dec 02 03:01:03 I assume you are all aware of the hero porting going on here? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822401&page=62 Dec 02 03:01:06 cwgtex: hmm, it should be possible to hexedit novacomd too Dec 02 03:01:10 grr optware doesn't have pkg-config lol Dec 02 03:01:19 decibell: I dunno about that. I hate it rooted and can sideload apps but it's of course early in the scene for that hardware. Dec 02 03:01:21 cwgtex: just change the product id Dec 02 03:01:22 rwhitby: wow, webosinternals developed an "open source novacom replacement"? yall never cease to amaze me :) Dec 02 03:02:06 cwgtex: it only does get, put and tty, not enough for a doctor. Dec 02 03:03:56 gotcha. still, thanks a bunch. i am learning so much from you guys. i literally knew nothing about linux until i got a pre, and all have learned makes me want to start a career in the linux field. Dec 02 03:08:21 windzilla: yeah that's interesting to say the least Dec 02 03:09:07 cwgtex: I'd try making a binary patch for novacomd but I don't have a pre2 to test it against, alas Dec 02 03:22:30 rwhitby: I can still doctor my device if i use a windows machine with the latest drivers, correct? Dec 02 03:22:37 yep Dec 02 03:22:40 or mac Dec 02 03:25:10 cwgtex: the "machine" can be virtual, vmware, virtualbox, etc also Dec 02 03:25:58 rwhitby: thanks Dec 02 03:26:47 destinal: awesome. i have been exploring virtualization lately as well, i hear that it is a very in-demand skill Dec 02 03:28:19 cwgtex: vmware and virtualbox are very easy to get started with Dec 02 03:28:41 vmware ESX etc on the server side are more complicated but getting started on the desktop wouldn't be a bad idea Dec 02 03:28:46 virtualbox doubly so since that's what the SDK uses! :V Dec 02 03:29:52 desintal: yes, i have been using virtualbox, for the sdk as well as other uses. i like trying lots of different linux distros, and installing them in virtualbox is much easier than keeping a whole bunch of partitions on my hard drive. Dec 02 03:38:30 cwgtex: so yeah, you could install windows in a virtualbox and use palm's SDK there, or the open source driver or hex edit the novacomd binary for linux Dec 02 03:38:32 lots of options Dec 02 03:39:45 Or I could just boot the windows partiton on my drive. I can't remember the last time I actually used it...man I love linux... Dec 02 03:40:17 cwgtex: oh, that too :) Dec 02 04:00:01 you guys are awesome, thanks for all the help! Dec 02 04:07:25 how does members of the webosinternals team feel about ares browser dev tool? is it worthwile to develop applications in? Dec 02 04:10:03 Oh man, no wonder I was having trouble with novacom + ubuntu + pre2... I haven't tried all that long, not a lot of free time. Dec 02 04:16:15 lol Dec 02 04:16:30 cwgtex learn how to do it manually before using ares Dec 02 04:16:40 cwgtex: personally, I think ares is pretty cool Dec 02 04:17:01 sure it's cool, but if you're starting out, then there's no sense hurting yourself Dec 02 04:17:08 I have been scratching the surface with both at the same time (sdk and emulator at home, ares at work). Dec 02 04:17:30 decibell: well, I think only because if you're starting off, the Ares documentation is REALLY lacking Dec 02 04:17:42 ya that's very true :P Dec 02 04:17:43 but now that I know the reason why it is, it makes me hopeful for Enyo Dec 02 04:17:58 I was praying Enyo was a newer version of ares aha Dec 02 04:18:26 (since from what I've heard, Ares basically got frozen when it was like 3/4 done... And the documentation was supposed to be some of the last stuff finished, so it never got done. The Ares team then went on to build Enyo) Dec 02 04:18:28 Well it basically is Dec 02 04:18:32 just with a new name Dec 02 04:18:33 decibell: well they are going to do a new version of ares to go along with enyo Dec 02 04:18:46 Is this channel appropriate for development talk, or is there a better channel? Dec 02 04:18:57 #webos is probably better for general dev talk Dec 02 04:19:01 decibell: only it'll be "native" Dec 02 04:19:59 thanks sineot Dec 02 04:20:25 im still learning, chatting with other developers will help me a bunch. Dec 02 04:20:39 unless my questions are too simple and they laugh at me :) Dec 02 04:20:42 hey hey, got the defective phone replaced Dec 02 04:21:08 destinal still not the same thing :P Dec 02 04:21:46 haha, cwgtex, I've been dealing with If statements breaking my div selection :p Dec 02 04:21:57 decibell: yeah it'll produce enyo code rather than an abstraction for mojo and a js include of its own framework layer Dec 02 04:22:27 destinal: I got my partitions resized Dec 02 04:22:28 I expect it to be quite awesome Dec 02 04:22:32 isn't that what Ares is right now? it makes Ares framework code, which I guess is an abstraction on mojo? P: Dec 02 04:22:32 speaking of annoying Dec 02 04:22:36 codeblocks is a pile of shit Dec 02 04:22:47 destinal: but appear to have lost preware and such in the process :/ Dec 02 04:23:22 fprimex: didn't you have things severely hosed before and end up doing multiple doctor attempts? Dec 02 04:23:31 destinal: new phone :) Dec 02 04:23:40 fprimex: ahhh Dec 02 04:23:40 palm is really fast on that turn-around Dec 02 04:23:58 so, got a good flash now Dec 02 04:24:08 did the repartition, everything went swimmingly Dec 02 04:24:10 nice Dec 02 04:24:14 just, no preware apps Dec 02 04:24:19 i should probably finish reading all the sdk documentation, huh? Dec 02 04:24:43 i kinda jumped in after skimming it and now i realize that wasn't to smart Dec 02 04:24:56 fprimex: ah, well that should be easily enough solved I guess Dec 02 04:24:59 they seem to still be in /opt still, but none of them are in the launcher Dec 02 04:25:13 should I just reinstall them? Dec 02 04:25:27 if they're in opt they shouldnt' show in the launcher Dec 02 04:25:47 launcher apps are at /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications unless it changed on 2. Dec 02 04:25:50 2.0* Dec 02 04:26:05 ah, well that'd explain that Dec 02 04:26:12 fprimex: yeah you probably lost /media/cryptofs Dec 02 04:26:16 I failed to backup cryptofs Dec 02 04:26:20 ah well Dec 02 04:26:29 I'm cool with reinstalling all that, no problem Dec 02 04:26:37 fprimex: it's a directory inside /media/internal but you can't decrypt it without your old nduid Dec 02 04:26:38 should I wipe /opt for good measure? Dec 02 04:27:22 apps were never in /opt afaik? Dec 02 04:27:35 optware stuff is Dec 02 04:27:38 optware yeah Dec 02 04:27:59 I had optware stuff installed via the preware app Dec 02 04:28:03 optware aren't webos apps though Dec 02 04:28:29 I want the preware app to know about those installs, so I'm thinking I should wipe out that area and reinstall those apps Dec 02 04:28:55 that you should do Dec 02 04:29:27 what about just installing them over top :P Dec 02 04:29:51 egaudet, rwhitby: which is the better way? Dec 02 04:29:58 overwrite or wipe & reinstall? Dec 02 04:30:58 fprimex: I think the ipk install of the new optware stuff could get error codes if files already exist, I'd clear out /opt Dec 02 04:31:03 it's just the boostrap and command line right? how did you install them originally Dec 02 04:31:15 egaudet: no preware installs optware stuff there now Dec 02 04:31:22 /opt is a mount isn't it Dec 02 04:31:44 destinal, but there's only a few optware packages in preware right Dec 02 04:31:49 egaudet: it is a mount, yes Dec 02 04:32:04 yes, I've only really installed openssh, bash, and their deps Dec 02 04:32:13 via command line? Dec 02 04:32:59 I'm not sure what is touched outside of /opt Dec 02 04:33:11 through preware Dec 02 04:33:43 ok, I think I'm going to cd /opt && rm -rf * Dec 02 04:33:43 if it was through preware, the install scripts should be idempotent Dec 02 04:33:50 then reinstall preware and see how that goes Dec 02 04:38:57 * fprimex can sense the channel waiting in anticipation Dec 02 04:42:40 * oil pauses channel to get more popcorn Dec 02 04:56:37 huge success! Dec 02 04:58:39 huge! Dec 02 04:59:14 * fprimex high fives everyone Dec 02 04:59:35 success in what?! Dec 02 04:59:40 and Congrats!! Dec 02 04:59:42 haha Dec 02 05:01:03 shaikh: repartitioning my pre for more space in /opt, and then getting preware back after failing to backup the cryptofs Dec 02 05:02:02 Oo very nice. What are the benefits of repartitioning the pre? Dec 02 05:03:02 I want to do more geeky things like install python, make some virtualenvs, and store git repos on my pre Dec 02 05:03:19 a linux filesystem is needed for these things rather than the vfat most of the phone is partitioned for Dec 02 05:05:18 Haha! Thats all kinda over my head sadly. But Congrats all the same! Your success will hopefully eventually become WebOS's success! lol Dec 02 05:06:30 anyone have a recommendation for irc client in osx? Dec 02 05:06:39 using adium is kind of lackluster Dec 02 05:06:41 mugen-: there is only one true irc client Dec 02 05:06:43 irssi Dec 02 05:06:44 mugen-: build colloquy from source Dec 02 05:06:49 (there's a mac gui if you care) Dec 02 05:06:49 ughhhh Dec 02 05:07:02 i'd prefer bX Dec 02 05:07:09 I really disliked colloquy, personally Dec 02 05:07:13 been a long time since using it… hehe Dec 02 05:07:17 mugen-: do you use macports? or fink? Dec 02 05:07:22 mirc ftw Dec 02 05:07:22 depends on your usage Dec 02 05:07:25 because I bet it's in macports Dec 02 05:07:38 summatus, neither Dec 02 05:07:44 ah Dec 02 05:07:48 just got my hackintosh back up and running Dec 02 05:07:54 I see Dec 02 05:08:01 Linkinus is nice but costs too much in my opinion Dec 02 05:08:03 Empire EFI + vanilla SL ftw! Dec 02 05:08:15 SineOt: you... buy irc clients? Dec 02 05:08:31 no, that's why I use Colloquy :T Dec 02 05:08:41 people buy irc clients? Dec 02 05:08:59 apparently Dec 02 05:09:05 sine, why build from source? Dec 02 05:09:18 mugen-: because the last version posted up is like way old Dec 02 05:09:28 ah Dec 02 05:09:34 is it a not very active project? Dec 02 05:09:38 8/21/09 Dec 02 05:09:39 hehe Dec 02 05:09:44 how new is trunk? Dec 02 05:09:50 I've never built a mac app from source before Dec 02 05:09:52 lots newer :p Dec 02 05:10:05 mugen-: I use LimeChat Dec 02 05:10:13 it's active, but the Mac version right now is on the backburner I guess. Dec 02 05:10:26 Main dev works for Apple and is kind of too busy, since I think he's on the iPhone team... XD Dec 02 05:10:35 never heard of limechat Dec 02 05:10:39 i'll check that out tooo Dec 02 05:10:42 *too Dec 02 05:11:01 ooo… that's more like it Dec 02 05:11:15 there's also XChat Aqua Dec 02 05:19:25 brb Dec 02 06:20:10 my new favorite mac irc client is textual: http://www.codeux.com/textual/ Dec 02 06:20:17 but man, I still miss mIRC Dec 02 06:20:26 you have issues Dec 02 06:20:57 mIRC and I go way back Dec 02 06:21:10 I ran a mean fserve back when I was a wee lass =] Dec 02 06:21:19 lol Dec 02 06:21:25 Adora: interesting. I use LimeChat and Textual looks similar Dec 02 06:21:39 Textual based on limechat Dec 02 06:22:42 can limechat put the channels across the top instead of down the side? Dec 02 06:23:01 is it currently a pay-for piece of software? Dec 02 06:23:08 I have yet to find a half decent irc client on win Dec 02 06:23:15 and textual be on github Dec 02 06:23:25 they say they're going to start providing it exclusively through the OS X app store for $4.99 Dec 02 06:23:34 lol Dec 02 06:23:35 halfhalo: mIRC with noname script, just trust me Dec 02 06:23:57 * halfhalo is to cheap to pay for mirc Dec 02 06:24:06 summatusmentis: for 8.99$, the 4.99$ is a "intro" price Dec 02 06:24:13 or you can just build it from source for free Dec 02 06:24:22 SineOt: oh, I missed that part Dec 02 06:24:30 oh, I guess they do say it'll still be open source Dec 02 06:25:00 Adora: no, limechat cannot do that Dec 02 06:25:53 I use colloquy, love it save for the stupid, annoying popups that pop up IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FREAKING SCREEN Dec 02 06:26:47 popups? Dec 02 06:27:00 notifications, whatever Dec 02 06:27:02 * oil uses XChat Dec 02 06:27:16 you mean the like, growl stuff or something else Dec 02 06:27:51 instead of, I dunno, using something like growl, they made their own which has an issue with multi monitors of different res Dec 02 06:28:18 programs that have problems with multimonitors, RAGE Dec 02 06:28:28 Yu[ Dec 02 06:28:31 yup* Dec 02 06:28:57 * rwhitby has no problems with multi-monitors Dec 02 06:29:11 multiple monitors is the only way to go :) Dec 02 06:29:22 If I move the chat window to the second display, it uses that res's width as the offset on the main monitor Dec 02 06:29:40 every so often I get to use a 30" apple cinema display Dec 02 06:29:43 jesus, it's nice Dec 02 06:29:49 haa Dec 02 06:30:01 its REALLY noticable at work with a mbp's 1440x900 internal screen and the external dells 1920x1080 Dec 02 06:30:16 * oil has 2 19inchers surrounding a 27inch Dec 02 06:30:19 Adora: I used one of those before Dec 02 06:30:22 They be nice Dec 02 06:30:34 oil wins Dec 02 06:30:42 halfhalo: but colloquy does use growl? :x Dec 02 06:30:47 nope Dec 02 06:30:55 * rwhitby has one 15" laptop Dec 02 06:31:01 I'm using Colloquy right now, it uses growl D: Dec 02 06:31:28 I did three 19inchers at my last job, but I used one of them just for sticky notes Dec 02 06:31:31 * summatusmentis has a single 13" macbook Dec 02 06:31:37 real, physical sticky notes Dec 02 06:31:40 haha Dec 02 06:32:06 I have a 24" 2148x2049 main monitor with a 21" 1080p on the left and a 21.5" 1680x1040 on the right Dec 02 06:32:20 * rwhitby prefers not to use sticky notes - if someone doesn't remind me a third time, then it wasn't that important anyway Dec 02 06:32:27 lol Dec 02 06:32:34 hahahahaha Dec 02 06:32:41 how do I view the battery info from cmdline linux? Dec 02 06:32:47 I used a magic marker before... :p Dec 02 06:32:54 cat /sys/...../something Dec 02 06:32:58 it's kinda crazy how fast the pre switches facebook-linked contact pictures Dec 02 06:33:02 the pre doesn't have /proc/acpi/bat0 Dec 02 06:33:25 * halfhalo votes recursive cat in /sys Dec 02 06:33:30 like not long after Pokemon Profile Picture Month starts, I get a text message from Gloom Dec 02 06:33:33 rwhitby: I did a find . grep bat in /sys Dec 02 06:33:45 synackfin1: grep for w1 Dec 02 06:33:48 torchie: oh god, I didn't even think about that Dec 02 06:34:02 pokemon profile picture month? Dec 02 06:34:20 what is this, college? Dec 02 06:34:32 yeah it is Dec 02 06:34:38 rwhitby: good policy :) Dec 02 06:35:18 meh Dec 02 06:35:45 Adora: Textual was exactly what i was looking for ... thx :D Dec 02 06:36:13 yeah, I might even try it out :o Dec 02 06:36:32 ... if the text input scales vertically instead of just pushing side to side. OCD, but lord that bugs me Dec 02 06:36:46 torchie: or that it would affect my images on my phone Dec 02 06:37:02 colloquy does Dec 02 06:37:13 Yeah, which is what I like Dec 02 06:37:21 Linkinus just pushes to the sides instead Dec 02 06:37:23 bedtime Dec 02 06:37:30 Dunno what Textual does Dec 02 06:38:12 * oil never types that much, lol Dec 02 06:38:30 rwhitby: I found validate_battery in a w1 directory of /sys, but it just says OK Dec 02 06:38:31 anything more than "lol" is an effort for oil Dec 02 06:38:36 srsly Dec 02 06:38:48 rwhitby: does webos use linux apm? Dec 02 06:38:54 inorite Dec 02 06:39:20 rwhitby: or tie in to any of the linux infrasture for battery use? Dec 02 06:39:24 synackfin1: I don't believe so. Dec 02 06:39:35 synackfin1: remember we're talking 2.6.24 Dec 02 06:40:25 rwhitby: hmm, but doesn't .24 run on laptops with batteries? Dec 02 06:41:02 * rwhitby expects that it does Dec 02 06:41:14 yay textual Dec 02 06:41:17 XD Dec 02 06:41:41 I should probably state what my problem is - my pre battery meter is hosed. it goes from 85% to 0% discretely Dec 02 06:41:45 heya! Dec 02 06:41:56 mugen-: fill a buffer, what's it do? Dec 02 06:42:04 synackfin1: Dr. Battery in Preware Dec 02 06:42:12 synackfin1: calibrated lately? Dec 02 06:42:16 synackfin1: woa! I was upset going from ~8-15 to 0, that's a serious problem tho! Dec 02 06:42:28 I personally could never get calibration to work, but it's a great idea. Dec 02 06:42:29 SineOt: what a whater? Dec 02 06:42:35 SineOt: hmm, let me try that Dec 02 06:42:46 (or as my old sup would say, "I like calibration... as a concept.") Dec 02 06:42:54 it's just clean... i prefer my irc clients lightweight Dec 02 06:43:04 dark: well, it will stay at 0% for five hours for me Dec 02 06:43:07 mugen-: an IRC "buffer" is 512 characters - nick - commands. Fill one up! Dec 02 06:43:26 Does Textual expand the text entry box vertically to fit, or does it just scroll side to side Dec 02 06:43:30 ohhh... you want me to test for you Dec 02 06:43:44 yes, since I'm lazy and registering for classes right now Dec 02 06:44:14 side scrolls Dec 02 06:44:19 and realizing, for some reason, there's a Javascript II course... And no Javascript I. It also recommends taking a course that doesn't exist first! Public school budget cuts :V Dec 02 06:44:46 damn how do I get skype on WebOS to show video for me and the other person, using the front-facing camera for me? Dec 02 06:44:59 (That's .. i guess not quite a rhetorical question, but.. its on the brain :) Dec 02 06:45:17 :) Dec 02 06:45:17 DarkdowN: there's a front facing camera? Dec 02 06:45:25 there's skype for webos? Dec 02 06:45:27 DarkdowN: you get hired as the Video Conferencing for Mobile guy that Palm is hiring for right now Dec 02 06:45:33 yeah, Skype is part of 2.0 on Verizon Dec 02 06:45:43 oh? Dec 02 06:46:02 DarkdowN: there's an option for that in Device Info Dec 02 06:46:22 yeah... Verizon loves Skype on their smartphones Dec 02 06:46:27 me too Dec 02 06:46:36 I'm only hoping that it gets ported out to non Verizon 2.0 devices Dec 02 06:49:13 can someone paste a link to an image for me please? Dec 02 06:49:19 destinal: i said it was rhetorical, maybe i should have said hypothetical/theoretical? Dec 02 06:49:28 apparently textual will inline the image Dec 02 06:49:55 mugen-: yeah, limechat does that Dec 02 06:49:57 DarkdowN: ah.. I get it now Dec 02 06:50:02 it can be risky for NSFW images Dec 02 06:50:08 ack! Dec 02 06:50:11 good call Dec 02 06:50:15 DarkdowN: first, install a forward facing camera.. ;) Dec 02 06:50:18 site: oooo! that sounds cool.. I noticed Palm has a bunch more verizon phones these days, guess they're either deployin a lot of Pre2s internally or hiring a lot, interesting.. Dec 02 06:50:37 * oil thinks someone should add inline image ticket to wirc redmine :) Dec 02 06:50:44 destinal: That almost seems like the last step in my questions.. oo! you know it'd be cool if I could plug in my webcam to my pre! Dec 02 06:50:57 the front facing camera on my Pre 2 is not working too well ... Dec 02 06:51:15 DarkdowN: I'll add it to the list, though that sounds a little weird Dec 02 06:51:54 destinal: Wasn't someone working on making a pre work with Kinect? (I don't actually know what this means) Dec 02 06:52:55 rwhitby: Hmm.. since most Pre users (I've heard) are on Sprint, I'm curious what all you developers with Pres are doing, activated on ATT/Tmobile or just using over Wifi? Dec 02 06:52:55 not that I've heard, the point of making pre talk to a massive camera with depth imaging and 3d mic system would be.. what? Dec 02 06:53:03 s/Pres/Pre 2s Dec 02 06:53:15 oh this isn't the channel with the correction bot huh? doh! Dec 02 06:53:16 morning =) Dec 02 06:53:31 s/?/??/ Dec 02 06:53:32 destinal meant: not that I've heard, the point of making pre talk to a massive camera with depth imaging and 3d mic system would be.. what?? Dec 02 06:53:34 DarkdowN: I'm in .au, Sprint is irrelevant to me Dec 02 06:53:34 destinal: duh, to make a massive camera with depth imaging and 3d mics... portable lol Dec 02 06:53:37 !botsnack Dec 02 06:53:42 :/ Dec 02 06:53:46 ~botsnack Dec 02 06:53:46 ~botsnack Dec 02 06:53:46 thanks, rwhitby Dec 02 06:53:52 thats it, lol Dec 02 06:54:03 destinal: I thought at first they said a kinect controller, but since it doesn't use controllers, i'm realize curious what they meant.. it was someone in this channel, forget who.. Dec 02 06:54:04 infobot likes my snacks better than destinal's Dec 02 06:54:05 * infobot runs and gives my snacks better than destinal's a big bear-hug. Dec 02 06:54:09 rwhitby: oops bad memory.. ;^) Dec 02 06:54:27 lol Dec 02 06:54:50 oh Dec 02 06:54:52 rwhitby: infobot's just on a diet and didn't want another. its loss.. :) Dec 02 06:54:59 do you mean like, wiimotes? Dec 02 06:55:02 oh was it just my lack of a trailling / then? k.. Dec 02 06:55:13 dude... i'm so lost in this convo Dec 02 06:55:23 DarkdowN, are you from the future or something? Dec 02 06:55:26 SineOt: kinect is not like wiimotes though those would be cool too :) Dec 02 06:55:28 dtzWill: did you know I was going to say something about X? Dec 02 06:55:35 mugen-: "From the year 2000" Dec 02 06:55:42 destinal: wiimotes make more sense than kinect controllers :] Dec 02 06:55:55 SineOt, you shush. Dec 02 06:56:06 thbhbhbtt Dec 02 06:56:08 sweet! Dr. Battery is awesome Dec 02 06:56:10 all ur base r belong to kinect :P Dec 02 06:56:22 plus, I understand the problem now Dec 02 06:56:25 destinal: yeah thats why i wish i knew who said it.. oh maybe searching the chat archive.. Dec 02 06:57:05 amazing^^ can't remember when this room was that active for the last weeks i was on^^ Dec 02 06:57:19 webos auto-calibrates when the battery is in "LEARNF" mode which happens at 0-20% battery life Dec 02 06:57:37 DarkdowN: what now? Dec 02 06:57:50 i did not know you were going to say anything about anything :( Dec 02 06:58:17 during that time, it needs to be plugged into a charger and calibration will start Dec 02 06:58:29 sorry if i forgot or something Dec 02 06:58:31 :/ Dec 02 06:59:01 except in my case, it jumps straight from 80% to 0% (stays at 0 for five hours) Dec 02 06:59:13 lol Dec 02 06:59:21 there was talk weeks ago about hidd+pre+kinect, but i'm not really sure what that was all about Dec 02 06:59:39 o.O Dec 02 06:59:50 DarkdowN: using the pre with kinect? wtf xD Dec 02 07:00:00 that sounds a little whacky for this channel Dec 02 07:00:08 maybe kinect as a pre interface? Dec 02 07:00:31 haha, no no. It was talk about hidd + pre + stuff like bluetooth controllers Dec 02 07:00:38 like wiimotes and dualshock 3s Dec 02 07:00:39 ah ok Dec 02 07:00:51 no idea where Kinect flew into the equation Dec 02 07:01:14 haha Dec 02 07:01:17 DarkdowN: so since i'm unfortunately not psychic :(, what did you wanna talk/ask about re:X? Dec 02 07:01:45 it's busted on 1.4.5 and doesn't support pixi, both of which are hopefully fixed in the near-ish future as I get more time and a pixi :) Dec 02 07:01:45 * DarkdowN is not making this shit up.. ; Dec 02 07:01:58 DarkdowN: I didn't think you were! I just don't know what you're talking about. Dec 02 07:01:59 * SineOt flails arms around to play angry birds on a 3 inch screen Dec 02 07:02:11 SineOt: rofl Dec 02 07:02:28 actually, if you saw that one video, you don't need to move at all to play Dec 02 07:03:04 * SineOt sits still, watches angry birds play itself on a 3 inch screen Dec 02 07:03:07 IMMERSIVE GAMING Dec 02 07:03:11 dtzWill: you mentioned awhile back about getting X to work on 1.4.5, sounds like you've been too busy to work on it? Dec 02 07:03:14 "the game is the controller" Dec 02 07:05:02 though one of the maemo folks had that interesting-sounding suggestion of just using a library implementation of X.. Dec 02 07:06:11 DarkdowN: ah that was you I had that conversation with. I remember now, yes :). Dec 02 07:06:22 haven't seen a library implementation but sounds good :). Dec 02 07:06:28 anyway yeah been too busy for 1.4.5 unfortunateyl. Dec 02 07:08:07 * SineOt hoses DaDirtyPanda off. Dec 02 07:08:43 nope still dirty Dec 02 07:09:03 gotta get in there with some soap and scrub Dec 02 07:09:33 Just get a barrel of surfactants. Problem solved! Dec 02 07:09:42 http://inception.davepedu.com/ Dec 02 07:14:30 dtzWill: Yes.. :) do you remember my suggestion to just throw the binaries/libs into common dirs (opt and/or usr) to override the jail issue? Dec 02 07:14:40 "God hates fangs" Dec 02 07:21:39 god hates bangs Dec 02 07:21:46 shame on god, bangs are beautiful! Dec 02 07:23:52 woo, so jquery is available under MIT! Dec 02 07:26:38 that shouldn't be too bad of a recompile no? maybe i could build it actually (if I can figure out a build env, grr palm and your non-linux pdk support, grr!!) Dec 02 07:27:34 yeah stuff sucks :( Dec 02 08:03:39 Is there a dr available for the unlocked 2.0 image you can buy in the US? Dec 02 08:03:42 I only see the SFR one Dec 02 08:06:48 chrisa: i believe they're the same Dec 02 08:07:16 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre_2_2 Dec 02 08:07:22 the second 2 are UNA and UEU Dec 02 08:41:44 anyone with a 2.0 device around? Dec 02 08:41:58 wondering about dropbox and mobile.me integration... Dec 02 08:50:02 quickoffice only Dec 02 08:50:48 http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/09/07/webos.20.images.show.dropbox.mobileme.support/ Dec 02 08:50:56 so that never came to fruition? Dec 02 08:51:32 that's the quickoffice app Dec 02 08:51:48 oh Dec 02 08:51:52 notice the "Quickoffice" app menu at the top right Dec 02 08:51:57 dur Dec 02 08:52:08 yeah... in the left corner Dec 02 08:52:14 sry. eyes are failing me :( Dec 02 09:22:20 ttfn folks! Dec 02 09:47:02 hey saw somethin about homebrewin ma pixi on a site with this link Dec 02 09:47:05 ??? Dec 02 09:47:11 any help here Dec 02 09:48:06 newpixi: download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the app catalog. It explains everything. Dec 02 09:48:24 ya all mine says is some bullshit Dec 02 09:48:51 all your what? Dec 02 09:49:03 pixi Dec 02 09:49:20 your pixi says bullshit? Dec 02 09:49:21 nvm though guess i missed the "tap to learn more" Dec 02 09:49:39 sounds like you have the wrong app Dec 02 09:49:49 "Preware Homebrew Documentation" is the name of the app Dec 02 09:50:02 its called i love homebrew Dec 02 09:50:08 yep, the wrong app Dec 02 09:50:13 ok Dec 02 09:50:24 it was in the hottest apps section Dec 02 09:50:39 and i had homebrew on my psp a while back and ipod touch Dec 02 09:50:47 so figured i could figure it out Dec 02 09:50:48 lol Dec 02 09:51:23 your choice. Dec 02 09:51:54 so search for preware homebrew documentation and its pretty easy? Dec 02 09:53:27 this app has instructions on turning on developer mode Dec 02 09:54:02 type upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart Dec 02 09:54:09 does this sound familiar Dec 02 09:55:17 download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the app catalog. It explains everything. Dec 02 09:55:47 99 cents :( Dec 02 09:56:01 one i have is free are u sure it doesnt work Dec 02 09:56:12 yep, about the cost of the my time that you've wasted so far ... Dec 02 09:56:58 right, because im sure you have so much more to be doing... Dec 02 09:57:36