**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 07 02:59:58 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 07 08:12:16 2010 Dec 07 08:15:49 welcome back nslu2-log, i assume the server is back up? Dec 07 08:23:47 sorta Dec 07 08:55:40 Hi, is there a sample available about how to call a python script from an webos app ? Dec 07 09:08:34 i dont believe python is on the pre Dec 07 09:09:45 oops, my fault i never checked it. I thought linux-python is such a strong relation ... Dec 07 09:10:02 you could probably install it Dec 07 09:10:11 though im not the person to help with such a task :/ Dec 07 09:10:14 iirc... it can have optware - 2.4,2.5,2.6 python Dec 07 09:10:25 there is the answer :) Dec 07 09:10:41 idk about linking python up as a service Dec 07 09:10:50 you might have to have a c or js service calling its commands Dec 07 09:10:54 returning to the app Dec 07 09:11:07 yep Dec 07 09:11:13 layers.... Dec 07 09:11:27 kind of line onions and ogres Dec 07 09:11:34 er like Dec 07 09:11:45 OK, this means I have to use the pdk ? Dec 07 09:12:19 got me there...I don't use that stuff. Dec 07 09:13:05 what does idk mean, sorry for the questions but I am fairly new to this stuff. Dec 07 09:13:24 "i dont know" Dec 07 09:13:57 I didn't know that oil was an intepreter Dec 07 09:14:19 :) Dec 07 09:16:39 I think it is better to search for a JS implementation. Using the PDK is a bit horrifying. Dec 07 09:17:04 2.0 supports nodejs services Dec 07 09:17:21 which allow you to basically do server-side code with javascript Dec 07 09:17:25 (google nodejs to see) Dec 07 09:18:06 Cool, do you have access to the 2.0 DevKit ? Dec 07 09:18:29 you can ask for entry to early acecss (see palms site) Dec 07 09:18:30 to get it Dec 07 09:19:23 * oil goes to sleep Dec 07 09:19:26 The last time I asked for an early access it tooks months to get the answer that they wont give it to me. Dec 07 13:34:07 afternoon Dec 07 13:38:12 hi swisstomcat Dec 07 13:38:18 hey rick Dec 07 13:39:38 what's new? Dec 07 14:28:31 Hello. Dec 07 14:32:26 I was wondering how apps like openssh pwgen openvpn Dropbear etc have been build ? the hided wuestiong is: it is possible to build my own app ? Dec 07 14:37:45 yes Dec 07 14:41:13 GarthPS: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree contains everything you need to build all those apps Dec 07 14:42:25 yawns goodmorning channel Dec 07 14:48:32 rwhitby: thx. is there an howto about this ? to adapt it to build my personnal app. Dec 07 14:48:45 GarthPS: UTSL Dec 07 14:49:01 Plenty of examples in there. Dec 07 14:50:08 rwhitby: ok thx. i will take a look then :) Dec 07 14:50:49 GarthPS: every package in the ipkg.preware.org feeds starts from the top-level Makefile in that git repo. Dec 07 14:51:20 rwhitby: just a curious question, is it possible to build an app with OE (it has already the palm pre machine defined) with the hope this the package will work ? Dec 07 14:51:45 GarthPS: if you get the toolchain correct, yes. Dec 07 14:52:19 GarthPS: and if you work out how to build an app using OE with the correct external toolchain to match what Palm uses, then I will be very interested in your bitbake configuration Dec 07 14:52:33 GarthPS: I presume you know that Palm uses OE to build the webOS rootfs. Dec 07 14:52:40 rwhitby: "the toolchain correct" you mean oe? Dec 07 14:52:47 yes i know that Dec 07 14:52:48 no, the compiler toolchain Dec 07 14:53:01 cs09q1 for webOS 2.0 Dec 07 14:53:21 i need to mix/incorporate the webos-internal tool chain withe oe ? Dec 07 14:53:36 no, the Palm toolchain Dec 07 14:53:54 hmm ok Dec 07 14:54:27 hey rwhitby I have a question Dec 07 14:54:31 perhaps a stupid question, why webos-internal doe snot try to incorporate as much as possible in oe ? Dec 07 14:55:17 is it possible to install the palm sdk on the fone Dec 07 14:55:43 * GarthPS does not know well the ecosystem of webos Dec 07 14:58:30 GarthPS: because I could never get OE to work with the required toolchain for interoperability with the Palm libraries. Dec 07 16:13:49 * halfhalo tried to pull up the logs from yesterday to see when stuff started working and realized the logging stuff doesn't work when the server is down... Dec 07 16:13:55 * halfhalo goes back to his cave Dec 07 17:32:22 anyone know if there's any tokens that if not transferred correctly on pre to pre plus conversion, would affect mp3 playback issues in any app? Dec 07 17:33:25 What kind of playback issues? Dec 07 17:33:50 I'd be way quicker to blame the MP3 files themselves than the tokens from a Pre Plussing Dec 07 17:34:03 it's happening on all mp3's in my entire collection Dec 07 17:34:07 never happened on my old device Dec 07 17:34:18 any app, nanplayer, remix 2.0, stock mp3, dr. podder Dec 07 17:34:31 it'll play a couple seconds of the mp3 and jump around, then play a bit, then jump around Dec 07 17:34:38 it like keeps skipping pieces Dec 07 17:34:59 bizzare, yet they play fine in the sounds preferences as ringtones Dec 07 17:35:10 and youtube, pandora, slacker, all that plays audio perfectly Dec 07 17:36:04 Try copying them back onto the device from a known good source (IE, your computer) Dec 07 17:36:31 you think they got messed up in the copying process? Dec 07 17:36:34 is that possible? Dec 07 17:36:41 Probably Dec 07 17:36:56 I've seen issues like that with my Pixi where Media Indexer's database gets screwy Dec 07 17:37:13 wow, I'll give it a shot Dec 07 17:37:19 if thats all it is, I'd be so relieved Dec 07 17:37:22 but I have my doubts Dec 07 17:38:11 It's always worth a shot :] Dec 07 17:38:27 so should I just delete everything in my music folder completely, and then try and re-copy a single album? Dec 07 17:38:48 That's probably what I would do, so yeah Dec 07 17:38:54 thx for the suggestion Dec 07 17:41:03 now to see if anyone can figure out/solve how to get an unactivated ATT Pre Plus to actually connect to ATT hotspots :/ Dec 07 17:41:40 There must be some sort of special ATT wifi daemon running somewhere that identifies it as an ATT device and then tries to bypass the paywall Dec 07 17:55:48 I'd start by comparing doctors then Dec 07 17:57:21 From what I understand, it'd be located in the sweatshop tarball, no? I'll start picking at it later, because good lord it's annoying to have my dev pre be blocked out from a ton of hotspots like that Dec 07 18:19:00 * phil_bw wanders by Dec 07 18:58:32 rwhitby: there? can I PM you? Dec 07 18:59:45 i think he is still asleep Dec 07 18:59:55 oh, thanks Dec 07 18:59:55 (night time in australia still) Dec 07 19:00:02 thats what he gets for being australian Dec 07 19:00:14 well, that and kangaroos Dec 07 19:03:01 oilsworkn, google doesn't know what a prevenhaven is. Dec 07 19:03:27 * oilsworkn doesn't know what it is either Dec 07 19:03:29 see, if you were in #webos you would understand Dec 07 19:03:51 Yay kangaroos <3 Dec 07 19:04:13 I need to remember to tell rwhitby that I narrowed down the video ripping bug to the ondemand gov Dec 07 19:05:14 isn't that the governor everyone is always like "don't use this one, not meant for mobile devices" Dec 07 19:05:29 then people keep complaining about problems with it?\ Dec 07 19:06:23 I dunno. I know that it got tweaked into the ondemandtcl gov that ships by default on the Pixi and Pre2 :p Dec 07 19:06:26 So it can't be THAT bad Dec 07 19:14:07 what's up Dec 07 19:14:43 What is with people saying "Whats up" the immediately closing the page... Dec 07 19:15:16 accident? Dec 07 19:15:32 Happens way too often to be accident :p Dec 07 19:15:36 One person? maybe. But like 5 or 6? Nope Dec 07 19:16:11 I see people do it with real IRC clients and not the browser based ones, lol Dec 07 19:16:32 what's up Dec 07 19:16:35 nope, doesn't die. Dec 07 19:16:41 ( ;) ) Dec 07 19:16:55 * oilsworkn enjoys people asking if they can ask a question Dec 07 20:06:44 rwhitby: ping Dec 07 20:07:12 rwhitby: is it ok, when I put my research notes about serial and jtag on the pre device in the webos-internals wiki? Dec 07 20:27:26 my ipk file association doesn't seem to work anymore... Dec 07 20:27:32 preware is set to check it, but either doesn't, or thinks it's fine? Dec 07 20:30:10 jettero: what does the default apps thing say for IPK? Dec 07 20:54:25 morphis: ooh serial and JTAG? Dec 07 20:54:27 morphis: please do Dec 07 20:55:13 morphis, put it in the hardware section. Dec 07 20:55:20 destinal: ok Dec 07 20:55:43 GND I already found, maybe rx and tx Dec 07 20:56:39 ka6sox: not in the research section? Dec 07 20:57:48 research is good. if its things like pictures of points and hardware info that hardware section Dec 07 21:01:48 for some reason the update app says I have updates but it won't show them as available. Is there any known issues at the moment? Dec 07 21:02:03 i cant update angry birds. heh Dec 07 21:02:33 hey has anyone seen prepared not pickin up installed packages Dec 07 21:02:52 preware* Dec 07 21:03:58 maybe i need to webosdoctor, its been a while Dec 07 21:04:38 clipper87: run emergency reconstruction utility Dec 07 21:05:05 where do I get that Dec 07 21:05:13 search for it in preware Dec 07 21:05:33 maybe that would help my issue too Dec 07 21:05:38 got it Dec 07 21:05:42 joshua: idk Dec 07 21:05:48 probably not Dec 07 21:06:01 eru is just for when the status file preware uses gets torched Dec 07 21:06:06 doesnt matter much to the catalog Dec 07 21:06:41 it seems i have the app installed but the app page won't let me update it. Last time this happened it was fixed in a webos update Dec 07 21:06:58 hrm wait now its letting me update Dec 07 21:07:07 found the app through the catalog Dec 07 21:07:16 well, angry birds IS a catalog app xD Dec 07 21:07:16 strange Dec 07 21:07:19 hey oil I installed it but it doesn't show in my apps Dec 07 21:07:26 lol in novacomd Dec 07 21:07:28 clipper87: reboot? Dec 07 21:07:30 novacom_process_packet Dec 07 21:07:32 %s:%d: *** CHECKSUM MISMATCH *** (that's a bad thing): header->crc(%08x), crc(%08x) Dec 07 21:07:33 [%d] RX PKT OUT OF SEQUENCE (this is a very weird and bad thing): h->seq: %d, c Dec 07 21:07:39 brb Dec 07 21:12:26 oil? Dec 07 21:12:31 ? Dec 07 21:12:40 i rebooted and still nothing Dec 07 21:12:46 idk what to say then Dec 07 21:12:53 haha wait Dec 07 21:12:57 last time that happened tome, eru worked Dec 07 21:13:08 it must just run in the background Dec 07 21:13:11 cause its all back Dec 07 21:13:14 lol Dec 07 21:13:15 thanks so much man Dec 07 21:13:37 http://pastebin.com/4hiBPy15 Dec 07 21:13:49 anyone running pre 2? Dec 07 21:14:04 * oil has one, but doesn't run it as main device Dec 07 21:14:05 I wish Dec 07 21:14:09 did anyone here besides geist and chrisa know that novacom spec supports authentication requirements? Dec 07 21:14:16 i have pre 2 Dec 07 21:14:21 friggin sweet Dec 07 21:14:56 also port forwarding? Dec 07 21:14:58 only thing is i havent figured out how to install the on screen keyboard Dec 07 21:15:40 destinal: not me :/ Dec 07 21:15:53 Clipper87_: you edit /etc/palm/luna.conf Dec 07 21:16:00 and add those lines @webosinternals tweeted Dec 07 21:16:08 its super buggy though Dec 07 21:16:23 opening it and rotating an app will crash luna Dec 07 21:16:30 and apparently multi-tap on it will crash luna as well Dec 07 21:16:37 haha wow thats awesome.... Dec 07 21:17:17 Hey all... Dec 07 21:17:20 Question: Dec 07 21:18:19 How do you get an mp3 attached in an email to /media/internal/ without attaching to a computer? Dec 07 21:18:37 i believe you can use internalz to copy Dec 07 21:18:41 copy it to /media/internal Dec 07 21:18:48 from? Dec 07 21:18:54 but i dont remember where they're stored when downloaded from email Dec 07 21:18:56 sorry :/ Dec 07 21:19:25 oil i am a noob to this pre world but im learing umm where is /etc/palm/luna.conf? Dec 07 21:19:37 somewhere in /var is probably it Dec 07 21:19:38 i tried that, but could not find the mp3 Dec 07 21:19:51 Clipper87_: its in /etc/palm/ Dec 07 21:19:52 lol Dec 07 21:20:12 i dont have /etc Dec 07 21:20:21 on my device Dec 07 21:20:22 yes you do Dec 07 21:20:29 you just can't get to it by normal means Dec 07 21:20:36 haha oooohhh Dec 07 21:20:48 have to use terminal huh? Dec 07 21:20:49 i suggest fallowing the guide to install openssh gain linux access on your pre Dec 07 21:21:00 checkout the wiki for "accessing linux" Dec 07 21:21:01 use internalz Dec 07 21:21:05 or that Dec 07 21:21:32 and when i install terminal on my pre 2 it just shows as a black creen Dec 07 21:21:40 no command line Dec 07 21:22:05 terminal doesn't work on the pre2 xD Dec 07 21:22:17 of course it doesnt Dec 07 21:22:28 destinal! Dec 07 21:22:28 xD Dec 07 21:22:47 novacom it up Dec 07 21:22:49 what is the change that breaks terminal? Dec 07 21:22:57 oil: my pre2 is on its way Dec 07 21:22:58 in webos v2 Dec 07 21:23:23 u can use the terminal thru webosquick install tho Dec 07 21:23:25 KnoxBNYC: just about any change to webkit seems to destroy terminal Dec 07 21:23:28 but openssh/sshing in is so much better then novacom Dec 07 21:24:04 "quick install terminal" = basically novacom Dec 07 21:24:36 so why can the on screen keyboard be installed thru preware on pre1 but not pre2 Dec 07 21:24:42 KnoxBNYC: terminal is based around an NPAPI plugin like flash, only adobe has palm SDK and we just have the NPAPI spec used in browser and palm's patches to look at Dec 07 21:24:48 and probably we made mistakes Dec 07 21:24:52 quicker destinal! Dec 07 21:24:53 quicker! Dec 07 21:24:54 xD Dec 07 21:25:30 thanks destinal Dec 07 21:26:02 so why can the on screen keyboard be installed thru preware on pre1 but not pre2? Dec 07 21:26:11 * oil goes back to work Dec 07 21:26:15 Clipper87_: different on screen keyboard Dec 07 21:26:19 the new one is palm's Dec 07 21:26:34 new one also breaks stuff Dec 07 21:26:34 when do you guys think the original pre will see webOS v2? Dec 07 21:26:49 next year ;D Dec 07 21:26:56 coming months Dec 07 21:26:58 :P Dec 07 21:27:02 duh Dec 07 21:27:05 Clipper87_: but palm's could be enabled with a patch Dec 07 21:27:06 at some point Dec 07 21:27:19 the homebrew VKB has not [yet] been ported to webos 2.0 Dec 07 21:27:19 it would be a really easy patch to write Dec 07 21:27:56 oh ya ? but no patch has been written? Dec 07 21:27:58 destinal: wouldn't it be like 3 lines? Dec 07 21:28:34 Clipper87_: you basically make the change described on the twitter, diff the old and new file and there's your patch Dec 07 21:28:36 :) Dec 07 21:28:49 yeah Dec 07 21:29:05 make the patch Dec 07 21:29:11 kool ill give that a shot Dec 07 21:29:21 does wirc work on pre 2 Dec 07 21:29:23 ? Dec 07 21:29:35 yup Dec 07 21:30:28 k Dec 07 21:32:42 WOOO! Dec 07 21:43:47 sooo how to i access this channel on my pre? Dec 07 21:43:49 or can i Dec 07 21:44:13 theres an irc client in preware Dec 07 21:44:38 wirc? Dec 07 21:44:45 yeah that one Dec 07 21:45:05 i have that but how do i get to this channel? Dec 07 21:45:26 you connect to irc.freenode.net and join #webos-internals? Dec 07 21:45:32 Same way you do it with any other IRC client? Dec 07 21:45:51 lol ok new to irc since i got the pre Dec 07 21:45:57 im a noob ill admit it Dec 07 21:47:37 ha ha I did it Dec 07 21:48:06 Grats P: Dec 07 21:50:00 what's the best twitter client for webos? Dec 07 21:51:06 Depends on what you want/need Dec 07 21:51:19 I use Tweed, I like it, I'm sure you'll find a million other recomendations Dec 07 21:52:29 well really all I want is to read the tweets I'm subscribed to and between some stuff Dec 07 21:53:01 retweet* Dec 07 21:55:05 Well, you'll get that with anything you try basically :] Dec 07 21:57:49 ok let me rephrase my question... what the best free twitter client? Dec 07 21:57:58 rephrase his question Dec 07 21:58:03 * Dec 07 21:58:43 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/software-keyboard-pops-up-in-webos-2-0-dreams-of-a-palm-slate-p/ Dec 07 21:59:17 yupyup Dec 07 22:00:16 * oilsworkn uses spaz cause its free Dec 07 22:00:28 * oilsworkn installed badkitty yesterday to try out cause he got it free frmo dev Dec 07 22:33:48 I know this is probly a stupid question but why do some users in the channel have + beside their names? Dec 07 22:35:21 They are voiced, aka higher permissions Dec 07 22:35:53 ahhh ic Dec 07 22:35:56 cause we're awesomer then halfhalo Dec 07 22:36:01 the only reason xD Dec 07 22:36:16 poor 1/2halo :( Dec 07 22:36:29 * halfhalo gets his brick Dec 07 22:37:10 lol is there a way to keep my username so it doesn't get used by others? Dec 07 22:37:22 too bad the only thing voice gets you is that you can talk while the room is moderated :T Dec 07 22:37:28 if you can throw that long of a hailmary then what are you doing studying computer science? Dec 07 22:37:31 Clipper87: /msg Nickserv help register Dec 07 22:37:49 * halfhalo has a slingshot. And more importantly a car Dec 07 22:39:59 lol Dec 07 22:40:28 long drive to DC Dec 07 22:41:32 bah Dec 07 22:41:34 SineOt: many of those with voice can ask chanserv for ops if needed, we just discourage each other running around with it on for some reason Dec 07 22:41:53 * halfhalo goes to invent a way of throwing bricks through the internet Dec 07 22:41:58 kind of a weird thing to not run around with tbh Dec 07 22:42:09 ops? Dec 07 22:42:42 naw...I probably invoke it more than most...but never leave it on. Dec 07 22:42:48 same reason you don't do cross-compilations as root Dec 07 22:42:59 * halfhalo would set +b *!*@*.* Dec 07 22:42:59 that can get ugly Dec 07 22:43:12 sigh Dec 07 22:43:20 and THATS why I don't get to play with shiny things Dec 07 22:43:24 * SineOt smacks halfhalo Dec 07 22:43:35 * ka6sox keeps shiney things away from halfhalo Dec 07 22:44:45 SineOt: if you really want to know why people have +v, it's so they appear at the top of my user list in Limechat so I can turn off part and join event reporting. Dec 07 22:45:08 rwhitby: it was more why not simply leaving it at +o Dec 07 22:45:28 Freenode discourages that for a number of good reasons Dec 07 22:45:31 rwhitby: did you see that I narrowed down the video tearing issues to the ondemand governor? Dec 07 22:45:47 SineOt: yep. that's why no default profile uses ondemand Dec 07 22:46:14 and why Palm created ondemandtcl Dec 07 22:46:17 rwhitby: why would only that one cause issue though? Dec 07 22:46:48 SineOt: the reponse characteristics to the workload of codec processing Dec 07 22:47:09 ah. and I take it that's something that got adjusted with ondemandtcl? Dec 07 22:48:10 * halfhalo thinks that he should learn how to cross compile something one of these days Dec 07 22:48:51 SineOt: ondemandtcl allows the codec to advise the governor about what it needfs Dec 07 22:48:54 needs Dec 07 22:49:46 so under ondemandtcl, the codec processing can say "I need this speed" and it'll stick at say, 1ghz, while under raw ondemand it continually fluctuates? Dec 07 22:53:47 yep Dec 07 22:54:55 interesting! Dec 07 22:55:20 now to wait around for 2.0 to bring the ondemandtcl to the Pre :p Dec 07 22:56:18 yep Dec 07 22:56:45 well, assuming that happens - no way of knowing what the Pre kernel will be like based on the Pre 2 kernel Dec 07 22:57:38 if ondemandtcl ships as the default on the Pre 2, and the Pixi has used it as well since the launch... I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption that the Pre will move over to it as well Dec 07 22:58:02 a big change like the 1.x->2.x branch seems like the perfect place to slot in a change like that Dec 07 22:59:31 im not a fan of ondemandtcl Dec 07 22:59:54 i think we need something that is a blend of screenstate and ondemand Dec 07 23:00:25 why not, PuffTheMagic? Dec 07 23:01:05 from using it on my Pixi, doesn't ondemandtcl scale under app load, then scale to 100% when there's touchscreen/keyboard input? Dec 07 23:01:07 i essentially want 2 ranges of ondemand values Dec 07 23:01:17 1 for when screen is on, 1 for when its off Dec 07 23:33:22 performance governor ftw Dec 07 23:57:48 So, Opt + Sym + Power for 10 seconds performs a full erase. Dec 07 23:58:19 (from http://www.palmone.or.at/us/assets/pdfs/business/webOS%201.4_Implementation_Guide_9-3-2010.pdf ) Dec 07 23:58:20 with or without a warning? Dec 07 23:58:51 intentionally no confirmation or warning, to be used for broken screen devices. Dec 08 00:00:12 ah Dec 08 00:00:32 you know, skimming that, it's kind of dumb that the remote wipe via palm profile is sent via SMS Dec 08 00:00:47 if you report the device stolen and get it deactivated, there goes your remote wipe abilities Dec 08 00:01:16 (since, from the sound of things, the Exchange wipes simply require any kind of data connection, be it 3G or wifi) Dec 08 00:01:31 rwhitby, that could be bad to let out, someone says "hey let me borrow your phone" then its wiped Dec 08 00:01:54 that's a realistically tiny chance though Dec 08 00:02:02 true Dec 08 00:02:31 they'd 1) have to know how to do it, 2) be malicious enough to do it (and at that point you'd probably know they were, so wtf to handing your phone over to them), 3) etc etc Dec 08 00:02:41 true Dec 08 00:03:02 but does that include wiping usb drve? Dec 08 00:03:02 as soon as you have physical access to any device, all bets are off. Dec 08 00:03:08 still dumb either way that the Palm Profile remote wipe is done via SMS Dec 08 00:03:14 and not over any kind of data connection Dec 08 00:03:46 SineOt, it should be done with ESP, so that the criminals cannot just pull off the service Dec 08 00:03:48 a Palm Profile will log you out even if it's only got a wifi connection, won't it? Dec 08 00:03:52 or the sim card Dec 08 00:04:14 scoutcamper: yeah, but not everyone is just running an Exchange server to go and wipe their personal phones with Dec 08 00:04:28 SineOt, i meant esp as in telepathy :D Dec 08 00:04:38 but exchange works to d: Dec 08 00:04:44 Oh Dec 08 00:05:00 hah, well that's what I'm saying, just doing it over a data connection is better than doing it with SMS Dec 08 00:05:15 since wifi doesn't care if your device has a SIM or is activated on a network Dec 08 00:05:21 true Dec 08 00:06:29 an Exchange wipe will still wipe even without network support, since it just says that it needs an active data connection, while the Palm Profile wipe says it needs to be sent to an activated phone via SMS Dec 08 00:07:10 so you either wait up to 72 hours to report the phone stolen/lost to your carrier to get it deactivated while you wait for your data to wipe, or you get it killed then and leave all your data on it :/ Dec 08 00:07:20 neither of which is a very good situation for the end user Dec 08 00:08:04 its best to just not let your phone get stolen :D Dec 08 00:08:06 also, rwhitby: did you notice that the image showing you where to push the power button to do a wipe... shows the phone when it's slid open? Dec 08 00:09:01 SineOt, that makes sense because the keyboard has to be open to hold opt+sym Dec 08 00:09:12 that's a grypo Dec 08 00:09:36 scoutcamper: the helpful arrow pointing where to push points to where the power button would be... if it was closed Dec 08 00:09:43 lol Dec 08 00:46:54 rwhitby: mind if I PM you? Dec 08 00:48:59 sure, but if it's a general question that others may learn from I prefer it to be in the channel Dec 08 00:49:11 it's not a question actually. Dec 08 00:49:23 * oil is now intrigued Dec 08 00:51:38 lol oil Dec 08 00:59:22 so I registered with this channel but when I log into it it doesn't ask for pw Dec 08 01:01:22 you have to identify yourself with freenode Dec 08 01:01:47 /msg NickServ identify password Dec 08 01:01:51 or something like that Dec 08 01:05:52 * halfhalo gets popcorn Dec 08 01:06:13 or Dec 08 01:06:15 on freenode Dec 08 01:06:30 u can pass your ns password to the sever as a server password Dec 08 01:06:46 and it with identify your nick at loging before processing any other commands from the client Dec 08 01:19:38 * hey all Dec 08 01:19:50 say whaaaaat? Dec 08 01:20:17 pants on Dec 08 01:20:33 * scoutcamper is confused Dec 08 01:20:44 it happens Dec 08 01:20:49 * Clipper87 checks and he has his pants on Dec 08 01:22:48 * scoutcamper slaps halfhalo with a large trout Dec 08 01:22:53 thats for confusing me Dec 08 01:23:09 * halfhalo breaks scoutcampers legs. Dec 08 01:23:17 thats because I'm crazy Dec 08 01:23:45 * scoutcamper grabs a flamethrower and turns halfhalo into a pile of ashes Dec 08 01:23:51 becuase im mad :D Dec 08 01:24:01 and insane in he membrane Dec 08 01:24:47 * Clipper87 launches a nuke and blows everyone up cause they are all insane Dec 08 01:25:13 * scoutcamper retaliates against Clipper87 wth a nuetron bomb Dec 08 01:25:22 just ecause Dec 08 01:25:40 * Clipper87 oh sh*t Dec 08 01:26:27 all this from my hey all haha Dec 08 01:28:24 so anyone play any games on these web Os phones? Dec 08 01:28:53 yes Dec 08 01:28:58 angry birds ftw! Dec 08 01:29:12 lol obviously Dec 08 01:29:23 if only it was free Dec 08 01:29:29 and sandstorm, nova's good too Dec 08 01:30:35 I'm new to pre I actually have the pre 2 Dec 08 01:30:40 :D Dec 08 01:30:59 you should go get a pre- to see what those of use early people had to go through Dec 08 01:31:16 any good free games in prepared or app catelog? Dec 08 01:31:16 and wait 6 months then get a pre+ Dec 08 01:31:30 non that ive seen or liked Dec 08 01:31:37 s/non/none Dec 08 01:31:42 lol sucks Dec 08 01:31:44 I like Pixelated. Dec 08 01:31:46 Chained is fun too. Dec 08 01:31:54 But just pay the 1.99 to get Angry Birds. :p Dec 08 01:32:10 lol Dec 08 01:32:30 Clipper87, it is seriously the best game for webos Dec 08 01:32:42 do ya have to use credit card or is there other payment methods? Dec 08 01:34:02 i think credit card is it Dec 08 01:35:51 Although in this day and age, they aren't exactly hard to get. If you live in the US, just go to CVS with a government issued ID and you can get a prepaid Visa Card. Dec 08 01:35:55 Similar in Canada. Dec 08 01:36:22 And if you're in the US and have a debit card, most of them with a Visa or Mastercard logo can be used as credit cards. Dec 08 01:36:25 I also like Quake on WebOS. Dec 08 01:37:52 ya I'm in canada you can get cc anywhere Dec 08 01:38:36 it's dumb that a Canadian debit card can't get run as credit :/ Dec 08 01:38:49 (it's dumber trying to explain that to little old ladies running stores in Canada) Dec 08 01:39:07 lol hahahaha Dec 08 01:39:24 NO DEBIT! Lady, it's a US card. Just run it as a Visa already would you ;_; Dec 08 01:39:47 ahahaha Dec 08 01:40:11 ya we seem a little behind when it comes to that stuff up here Dec 08 01:41:42