**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 09 02:59:57 2010 Dec 09 03:06:18 ~halfhalo Dec 09 03:06:19 i guess halfhalo is a web programmer specializing in ruby on rails and node.js server side applications, and also is dabbling in sysadmin work as well. He is also insane in the membrane, and drives way to fast on the streets. four-eights-halo. Dec 09 03:06:40 and halfhalo is an angry molusk Dec 09 03:06:46 ~and halfhalo is an angry molusk Dec 09 03:06:47 okay, scoutcamper Dec 09 03:06:51 ~halfhalo Dec 09 03:06:52 well, halfhalo is a web programmer specializing in ruby on rails and node.js server side applications, and also is dabbling in sysadmin work as well. He is also insane in the membrane, and drives way to fast on the streets. four-eights-halo. Dec 09 03:10:42 :( Dec 09 03:10:47 silly computer Dec 09 03:13:37 ... Dec 09 03:14:00 this is what I get for going to deal with the dog Dec 09 03:14:14 WTMI Dec 09 03:14:33 ... Dec 09 03:28:51 oil: that does not answer the question of what urls are wanted.. because without url's i'm going make some up and in my mental state that will not end well Dec 09 03:31:26 halfhalo: you have started down some implementation path with no system architecture in place. there is no way we can answer your question Dec 09 03:31:46 we may not even want URLs Dec 09 03:35:02 I think that we are looking into architectures...but need data structures and what is needed to be delivered. Dec 09 03:35:22 thats what is needed first. Dec 09 03:39:23 hey look, paypal is down >:( Dec 09 03:39:40 silly wikileaks Dec 09 04:03:02 halfhalo, I'm going to ask you a very important question about your question. before we could even guess how to answer what URL's we might want for lazy loading, you need to answer the question "Why are we doing this?" What is is -for-? And once you know that, then you have to re-address, as ka6sox said, the underlying data structures, because Knuth was right about that. Dec 09 04:04:12 rick-home: I don't think URLs have any relationship to lazy loading actually. Lazy loading happens between the UI and an on-device database. Syncing happens between the on-device database and a remote data source. Dec 09 04:05:11 ok, thats the issue Dec 09 04:05:28 * halfhalo is talking about between server and phone Dec 09 04:05:29 right. Sorry. but the question still applies. You don't design your synching mechanisms before you have your data-structures, because all sorts of mayhem arises. Dec 09 04:06:57 well, the data is already in mongo (and i actually set up a test rails app to talk to mongo because i'm lazy and don't want to deal with it via console) Dec 09 04:33:28 yea, but do we know exactly what we're doing with the data on the phone side.... Dec 09 04:34:06 rick-home: and you don't design your data structure before you have your system architecture worked out Dec 09 04:34:21 which is where this discussion started. Dec 09 04:36:12 * halfhalo has a link to a basic rails mongo setup if you want to see what it could theoretically produce Dec 09 04:38:51 halfhalo I'm sure you do. But what we're trying to say is, we don't know what the phone side is yet, so what's the point, really. I absolutely believe that you can make the server side stand up and do a triple axle. Really I do. I just don't know what should talk to it yet, so I don't know what to ask for. Dec 09 04:42:40 * rick-home shutting up now before his ability at diplomacy, which is equivalent to the ballet abilities of a hippo, makes everyone within shouting distance angry. Dec 09 04:44:35 considering the feedEater script was adapted from something else? Its not a big idea. I just wanted to get this done and out of the way before attempting to rewrite optwarefind since thats a much bigger prject Dec 09 04:47:44 (which in of itself was about 2 days of coding, including both the frontend and backend) Dec 09 05:00:57 * halfhalo shuts off his brain for the night due to finals studying Dec 09 05:01:56 ok, I'm lost. No matter what I try, I cannot get the 2.x emu to start. Keep getting E_ACCESSDENIED (and looks like a VirtualBox error) Dec 09 05:02:51 lingfish I assume you've moved the non-2 sdk to a completely weird folder, and uninstalled virtualbox and installed a fresh copy of virtual box and re-installed the 2.0 sdk? Dec 09 05:04:19 I have to be honest, I kinda forgot about my < 2 SDK being installed. Dec 09 05:04:27 And no to VB, as I already use it for other things Dec 09 05:04:44 ok, but you deleted the vm and the hdd image? Dec 09 05:05:38 The < 2 images? Dec 09 05:07:02 (as I have 1.4.x stuff still there) Dec 09 05:07:10 in VB, but not add/remove programs. Dec 09 05:08:14 Worth pointing out that the 2.x VMs don't even appear in VB Dec 09 05:10:23 weird. Dec 09 05:11:04 yeah. Dec 09 05:11:20 did you try installing the 2.0 vm hdd by hand? Dec 09 05:11:21 So it's safe to assume that I should see the VM appear after installing the SDK? Dec 09 05:11:25 like the old? Dec 09 05:11:32 yes Dec 09 05:11:34 No, haven't yet. Dec 09 05:11:54 hrm, odd. Dec 09 05:12:47 Perhaps I need to run the installer with admin rights? Dec 09 05:13:45 I would expect so Dec 09 05:14:57 hrm, usually don't need to insist on that.. ok, will remove and try again. Dec 09 05:21:09 Also worth noting that the images themselves stayed in Program Files, and an %APPDATA% structure wasn't created... is that normal or no? If I then did a palm-emulator.bat --install, it was of course copied (but still didn't run) Dec 09 05:24:39 Blah. Still no go. Dec 09 05:28:35 I'm using Palm_webOS_SDK-Win-2.0.0-485-x64.exe Dec 09 05:28:35 what other flashes have been sucessful Dec 09 05:28:37 right? Dec 09 05:30:23 anyone dd to the slate yet Dec 09 05:31:16 dd to the slate? Dec 09 05:31:50 dd. Dec 09 05:31:55 to what slate Dec 09 05:32:22 webos image DD to x86+VM Dec 09 05:32:39 or ah, striahgt x86.. Dec 09 05:33:24 i read this " Hell no! WebOS runs all well on x86. Not only on the VM but directly booted on the hardware." Dec 09 05:33:42 ... do explain Dec 09 05:34:00 "A hacker just used the IDE hard disk, placed the WebOS emulator on it and got it going. Dell C600 served the purpose well. " Dec 09 05:34:21 yep, should work Dec 09 05:34:40 ....so its not like you had the toolchain and source to make bootie+kernel+rootfs Dec 09 05:35:04 hey rw, whats good. Dec 09 05:35:40 its a misleading blog. Dec 09 05:36:22 i am lookng at the video now Dec 09 05:38:30 whats the trick Dec 09 05:39:26 its a port of the vdi? Dec 09 05:39:26 vmdk.. Dec 09 05:39:47 Anyone? That the right binary to be installing? Dec 09 05:40:15 do it Dec 09 05:40:58 oc80z: Impostah Dec 09 05:42:11 yea Dec 09 05:43:56 who solderied that sierra/sprint modem to verizon pre2.0 Dec 09 05:45:53 ? Dec 09 05:46:50 i saw a Verizon PalmPre2.0 swapped with a Sprint CDMA modem Dec 09 05:46:58 oc80z: you just swap comm boards, they're modular Dec 09 05:47:18 oc80z: where did you see a Verizon Pre 2 ? Dec 09 05:47:32 this gentoo ndk looks neat ont the wiki, i run a Linux priv 2.6.35-hardened-r5 Dec 09 05:47:43 rw: precentral? Dec 09 05:47:44 oc80z: could it have been an unlocked "world ready" pre 2? Dec 09 05:48:01 oc80z: I personally made a Sprint Pre 2 at the NYC dev day, but it was using a WR Pre 2 as the base, not Verizon Dec 09 05:48:05 unknown. i fell off the board after sprint STB. Dec 09 05:48:17 ah GSM? Dec 09 05:48:20 oc80z no one we know of has seen a verizon pre2 in the wild. Dec 09 05:48:27 is that the 'world' (.fr) one? Dec 09 05:48:34 every FACTORY pre2 we have seen has been GSM Dec 09 05:48:35 ooooh rhome. Dec 09 05:48:48 oc80z: thus the comm board swapping to make them talk CDMA Dec 09 05:48:50 rick-home: well, one was spotted in a presentation at dev day, but not one that is for sale Dec 09 05:49:04 destinal interesting Dec 09 05:49:13 we've frankenstein'ed sprint pre2's by swapping comm boards from sprint pre-1's into gsm pre-2's, but do not yet having a working OS for them. Dec 09 05:49:27 its where the only PPP communication is made right Dec 09 05:49:42 rwhitby I didn't see it. Dec 09 05:49:46 from kernelspace to the embeddded module. Dec 09 05:50:13 oc80z: comm board contains radio for wifi and the wireless baseband processor and its radio Dec 09 05:50:13 you say commboard, like its the cell, right? Dec 09 05:50:25 oc80z: it's a provisioning and profile issue, voice is no problem. Dec 09 05:50:27 yeah. Dec 09 05:50:35 hmm Dec 09 05:50:49 there are many embedded modules around. Dec 09 05:51:09 oc80z: what are you thinking of hacking? Dec 09 05:51:13 oc80z: electrically and physically it's identical Dec 09 05:51:17 intel 3550, wifi+wimax Dec 09 05:51:38 ah, does it talk usb, spi, or i2c ? Dec 09 05:51:55 hsuart Dec 09 05:52:00 oops Dec 09 05:52:04 hsusb & hsuart Dec 09 05:52:08 no its on the usb bus. Dec 09 05:52:21 rwhitby: the comm board uses a usb and uart interface? Dec 09 05:52:22 ehci , ttyUSB Dec 09 05:52:36 prolly for diagnostics, and or gps Dec 09 05:52:40 and data, Dec 09 05:52:45 oc80z: and it can physically fit in the pre's case? Dec 09 05:52:50 you could probably do it Dec 09 05:53:17 nobody has here yet but that would be an awesome device :) Dec 09 05:53:31 i will. Dec 09 05:53:46 I wish I lived in a wimax area Dec 09 05:53:53 I would try it too Dec 09 05:54:26 oc80z: have a link for info on the chipset? Dec 09 05:54:57 for the wimax? Dec 09 05:55:02 yes Dec 09 05:55:09 i have that and a beceem link, for clear 4tg Dec 09 05:55:33 i think intel calls its in linux the i2400 Dec 09 05:55:42 while its production name is the 3550 or somthing. Dec 09 05:55:48 oc80z: is there an open source driver ? Dec 09 05:56:13 http://www.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/wireless/wimax/wifi/index.htm Dec 09 05:56:17 specs there. Dec 09 05:56:21 its tiny. Dec 09 05:56:23 rwhitby: so the comm board definitely is usb? so the pre is already using usb host mode somewhere? Dec 09 05:56:32 or is the baseband side the host Dec 09 05:56:37 its in the mainstream Dec 09 05:56:44 er.. kernel mainline. Dec 09 05:57:03 destinal: it's def USB - there's a kernel driver for it Dec 09 05:57:11 http://www.linuxwimax.org/ Dec 09 05:57:32 i'll get it to dial out, depending on what carrier if its clear or sprint.. Dec 09 05:57:45 may have an issue with that, even COMCAST has 4g here.. Dec 09 05:57:50 and LTE and etc... Dec 09 05:57:57 its all bullshit, speeds suck. Dec 09 05:58:26 heres that beceem driver , the pxe clear http://geek.the-daver.com/?tag=beceem Dec 09 05:58:40 creep this shit: http://sprinttools.kpimdp.com/StreamDocumentSecure;jsessionid=bacgasZbaOtwN7Fz_xDSs?qs=00000000e68616d63knBpMYv1w%2Br8aQe7lmhXAsNwoZrVmPKeM34vEpHb8nAU%2BXdA8s7WmwcQOF8ILib5dha4a%2FXPHBFvJJgHwTDA8a6rMgHyHwKFF1236UPnmk6wGPNXLHTpQ%3D%3D&qs1=000000002f6bfbc1b54b0692de317f250ce92108c6a286f03412eac15e805e2b303cd8a7970b0bba3f3e17a6e81bb79c19618d039628d978d68dc8f87b877d262d45ba39dc523e9e1fe7dac46d1609a82c39c3c856c2c7747673d0a475d86446 Dec 09 05:58:53 its worth downloading, and the eyesoar. Dec 09 05:58:54 oc80z: it's not obvious how big the board is without a size / scale reference or digging into datasheets Dec 09 05:59:16 oc80z: you think it'll fit? and you're comfortable with soldering very small things? :) Dec 09 05:59:28 I've never done a mod like this myself but want to Dec 09 06:00:16 oh its mini-pci-e , right? Dec 09 06:00:21 yeah i got everything ready Dec 09 06:00:27 oc80z: ah, pre has no pci of any kind Dec 09 06:00:31 http://www.gadgetlite.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/palm-pre-teardown-ifixit-01.jpg Dec 09 06:00:35 its mini-usb? Dec 09 06:00:41 i dont know the correct term. Dec 09 06:00:59 i meant to say mini-express Dec 09 06:01:05 no? Dec 09 06:01:07 oc80z: if you're going to do a mod like this you'll have to solder to pads / traces and maybe even IC pins on the board Dec 09 06:01:38 oc80z: there's no internal usb "port" to just plug into Dec 09 06:02:26 i know Dec 09 06:02:28 oc80z: see some of the netbook hacking threads on this, people putting 3g and bluetooth boards into eeepc and so on Dec 09 06:02:34 if you're cool with that then yeah Dec 09 06:02:41 you'll need a mictor connector (or whatever it is that the comms board has) Dec 09 06:02:46 those ribbon cables are blah Dec 09 06:03:13 well i see the two antenna cables on the frame , far right of the photo Dec 09 06:03:38 dunno if that board left of it, is double sided. Dec 09 06:03:51 theres fcc's on the pre2 right.. heh. Dec 09 06:04:32 hmmph Dec 09 06:04:51 oc80z: so do you plan to give up the comms board or put a usb hub chip inline or something? Dec 09 06:05:07 es Dec 09 06:05:08 yes Dec 09 06:05:57 * destinal wants one too :) Dec 09 06:07:10 I figure if we got a good voip client and wimax was always on you wouldn't need the regular comms board to do calls etc. but.. battery life might be quite a bit worse. no idea. Dec 09 06:07:51 unfortunately we don't have a good voip client .. yet Dec 09 06:08:10 heh. Dec 09 06:08:25 who uses voice ;] Dec 09 06:08:36 oc80z: I like the way you think! Dec 09 06:08:49 :( Dec 09 06:08:55 i have a few modules Dec 09 06:08:57 :) Dec 09 06:09:05 i should put them on this sled adapter.. Dec 09 06:09:12 and plug em in to the pre, see if they enumerate heh. Dec 09 06:09:27 after insmod sierra, option, etc.. Dec 09 06:09:53 heck, if that works...... Dec 09 06:09:58 i'll load balance. Dec 09 06:10:29 50/50 Dec 09 06:10:39 oc80z: hmm, if you find the internal usb pins that would be a good start, the external port is device mode only but maybe with some kernel hacking could be put into host mode Dec 09 06:11:04 s/pins/pads/ Dec 09 06:11:08 destinal meant: oc80z: hmm, if you find the internal usb pads that would be a good start, the external port is device mode only but maybe with some kernel hacking could be put into host mode Dec 09 06:11:45 oc80z: external port is usb otg capable in theory and i've gotten it to provide power but not enumerate devices on it with the stock kernel and a mini-a cable Dec 09 06:11:55 oh i can do that. Dec 09 06:12:17 has it not been done yet? Dec 09 06:12:19 the stock kernel has gadget drivers compiled in though I think is the problem Dec 09 06:12:28 I haven't tried with one without Dec 09 06:12:32 * destinal is not much of a kernel person Dec 09 06:12:40 (yet) Dec 09 06:13:05 eah Dec 09 06:13:12 the real hakers make kernel drivers. Dec 09 06:13:27 in vi. Dec 09 06:13:30 er, vim. Dec 09 06:13:31 hehe Dec 09 06:13:41 kernel drivers are easier to make with hw specs Dec 09 06:13:46 the real hackers live patch the running kernel to do what they need Dec 09 06:14:13 patch the running kernel heck yeah, get dirty! Dec 09 06:14:37 oc80z: sounds like an awesome project Dec 09 06:14:48 * destinal needs to live somewhere with wifi Dec 09 06:14:59 s/wifi/wimax/ Dec 09 06:15:04 need coffee Dec 09 06:15:05 haha true Dec 09 06:15:30 ksplice? Dec 09 06:15:36 yep Dec 09 06:15:51 heh.. yeah been going over that for some reason. Dec 09 06:15:59 cause its under the sheets C Dec 09 06:16:22 any ubuntu fans..? Dec 09 06:17:00 rwhitby: ok wimax would officialy be an awesome comm board replacement for me dev pre :) even if I have to go to vegas to use it Dec 09 06:17:32 oc80z: I use ubuntu quite a bit Dec 09 06:17:57 excited about natty? Dec 09 06:18:32 the new wayland stuff looks cool but I haven't looked much at it yet Dec 09 06:18:32 and their entire new desktop window managing system Dec 09 06:18:44 and unity Dec 09 06:18:46 yeah Dec 09 06:18:56 ive been collecitng bugs and notice they are already (mostly) being submitted to lauchpad..happy+ Dec 09 06:19:15 yeah on a netbook, good++ Dec 09 06:19:53 unity desktop, badass.... but , seems like they are locking it down. Dec 09 06:19:59 and ignoring important things. Dec 09 06:20:16 putting shit on low-priority.. control-shift-c is a fucking high priority. Dec 09 06:20:36 sorry, im hoping they do well. Dec 09 06:20:45 (on their own) Dec 09 06:21:34 theres also a new patch in kernel .37, CPU scheduler by tasks. Dec 09 06:21:41 i think pre should incorporate that. Dec 09 06:22:11 er... webos. Dec 09 06:23:20 oc80z: nice Dec 09 06:23:34 I think HP/Palm should stop stuffing around and globally release the 2 :P Dec 09 06:23:39 https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/10/19/123 Dec 09 06:24:42 Mike Galbraith Dec 09 06:24:43 you rock. Dec 09 06:24:58 oc80z: webOS already uses cgroups Dec 09 06:25:56 the problem is we don't know how palm has them cordoned off since they are controlled by lunasysmgr Dec 09 06:27:35 ohh Dec 09 06:27:47 sick :D Dec 09 06:28:03 now if we can temporarily disable those, then we can try with the "alternate" patch/script that uses groups to the same Dec 09 06:28:26 so start figuring that out or bug palm to tell u Dec 09 06:29:11 over my head Dec 09 06:29:38 the 1ghz will make up for it the bosses say, Dec 09 06:29:47 while the developers are lke yeah but.. Dec 09 06:32:41 http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/Palm-Pre/images/palm-pre-teardown-complete-1.jpg Dec 09 06:33:53 sick. Dec 09 06:34:07 past 10 years .. Dec 09 06:34:26 palm pre, most durable and dependable and fun phone to own. Dec 09 06:35:43 What Dec 09 06:36:01 That may be the most sarcastic thing I've heard all year Dec 09 06:37:02 thats cool, why. Dec 09 06:37:19 cause i heard -a lot- of dumb shit from republicans this year. Dec 09 06:38:00 The original pre loved to fall apart Dec 09 06:38:21 and a large percentage of owners needed more than one replacement Dec 09 06:38:43 nice, i have the same one. Dec 09 06:39:12 do you have the same one? Dec 09 06:39:35 no, I just worked on the pre Dec 09 06:39:52 you did integration with palm? Dec 09 06:41:09 can you tell me where the usb is on the comm board Dec 09 06:41:11 heh. Dec 09 06:42:25 the door fell off my pre but for the most part it is ok Dec 09 06:42:56 now the oreo part was sucky Dec 09 06:46:20 well chrisa u didnt work for palm then? Dec 09 06:46:42 chrisa: I'm on my third one Dec 09 06:46:43 tbh, i had to buy a touchstone cause last week the usb port began to fail.. Dec 09 06:46:53 cause i used the wrong charger and it snapped somthing or i dunno. Dec 09 06:47:44 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Communication-Board-Main-Logic-/320610071763 Dec 09 06:48:41 thats all there is to swap? too good to be true. Dec 09 06:50:10 oc80z: that's all Dec 09 06:50:44 you'll want some software tokens to go with it though Dec 09 06:51:16 ill have to document+ Dec 09 06:51:32 unless hackaday does it. Dec 09 06:51:55 *shrug* Dec 09 06:56:17 rwhitby: so those test pads found by morpheus are on the comm board? I wonder how any of them could be serial to the main board like he hopes. possible I suppose.. Dec 09 06:57:05 oc80z: comms board swaps are well documented already - there's even a commercial service to do it for you Dec 09 06:57:12 but a wimax one would be neat :) Dec 09 06:58:34 rwhitby: I wonder if the baseband has its own JTAG, though you'd think they'd go to great effort to make it inaccessible. Dec 09 06:59:16 destinal: my understanding is that you can boot the baseband board without the omap board Dec 09 06:59:27 makes sense Dec 09 07:00:29 yea Dec 09 07:00:58 oc80z: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/File:CDMA-castle-testpad-lg.jpg Dec 09 07:01:09 the test pads on the comm board I refer to Dec 09 07:05:16 i ripped that off yesterday Dec 09 07:05:30 thought there was mini pci-e Dec 09 07:05:39 (looked like it) Dec 09 07:05:45 er.... mini express Dec 09 07:06:00 w/e its called.. Dec 09 07:06:44 ...was going to put a diff chip in. Dec 09 07:06:59 too good to be true, but yeah, im leavin the states for a bit Dec 09 07:07:24 speaking of hardware Dec 09 07:07:34 im lookng for a special pinout for a uart Dec 09 07:07:44 oc80z: it should still be possible to put a wimax chip in with a usb based chip Dec 09 07:07:55 so i stop by radio shack. they dont even sell usb cables anymore. Dec 09 07:08:07 they dont sell anything any more Dec 09 07:08:12 radio shack isn't radio shack any more :( Dec 09 07:08:25 no more redbox building. Dec 09 07:08:27 ie you can't like build or fix a _radio_ Dec 09 07:08:31 PuffTheMagic badass work Dec 09 07:08:34 gotta get everything from mouser these days Dec 09 07:08:36 keep it up my d00d. Dec 09 07:08:45 w/ that gentoo post, heh. Dec 09 07:08:46 oc80z, ? Dec 09 07:08:52 oh Dec 09 07:09:01 Linux priv 2.6.35-hardened-r5 Dec 09 07:09:07 reprezent Dec 09 07:09:13 wait waht? Dec 09 07:09:23 im just kiddin, thats one of my dedicated. Dec 09 07:09:23 heh Dec 09 07:09:34 thats my hex-core palm pre Dec 09 07:09:57 rwhitby: are there any pictures of the comm board connector itself? Dec 09 07:14:09 probably Dec 09 07:15:26 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/4586341070/lightbox/ Dec 09 07:17:59 rwhitby: nice photo set Dec 09 07:19:28 * oil needs thsi http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/4586334818/lightbox/ Dec 09 07:19:30 this* Dec 09 07:19:37 to get my orange key on the pre2 xD Dec 09 07:20:05 oil: you're actually gonna do a keyboard swap too? Dec 09 07:20:09 lol Dec 09 07:20:10 idk Dec 09 07:20:21 boof. Dec 09 07:20:35 I will miss orange though. didn't palm docs used to tell you to orange+some key Dec 09 07:20:42 before they made it option? Dec 09 07:20:47 i think they changed them all Dec 09 07:20:56 or, i should hope so, or it will be confusing for users Dec 09 07:21:15 oil: I guess verizon didn't want something with sprint's favorite color on it... Dec 09 07:21:24 is that really the reason? Dec 09 07:21:35 just guessing Dec 09 07:21:41 red would have looked pretty awesome though Dec 09 07:21:59 all since hte pre- have had non-orange Dec 09 07:22:16 yeah if vzw did complain about it it would be easy to just go with something neutral Dec 09 07:22:26 haha Dec 09 07:22:55 oil: that keyboard has been in water Dec 09 07:22:57 maybe sprint felt miffed about it and so never bought another palm phone :) Dec 09 07:23:15 rwhitby: i didn't mean i needed that kb exactly, haha Dec 09 07:23:27 just that i needed to take it apart that far if i really end up doing it Dec 09 07:23:40 rwhitby: your first swap was a donated dead device? Dec 09 07:23:40 oil: not that far - you keep those two bits together Dec 09 07:23:50 or disassembly I mean Dec 09 07:23:52 no way Dec 09 07:23:52 destinal: my first two take-aparts were dead devices Dec 09 07:24:10 well, not completely dead Dec 09 07:25:04 but dead enough that I didn't put them back together again Dec 09 07:25:17 oh Dec 09 07:25:25 now there is a drawer of bits and pieces? Dec 09 07:25:26 lol Dec 09 07:25:27 rwhitby: I need to hang out in the forums more and make friends of people with damaged devices so I can salvage for odd pre-related projects Dec 09 07:25:34 oil: that spinner, how do I make it spin around? Dec 09 07:25:45 what doesnt spin? Dec 09 07:25:52 the little circle bit Dec 09 07:26:41 keep plugging away Dec 09 07:26:42 on the button? Dec 09 07:26:51 <-- sleep Dec 09 07:27:20 just doing type: Mojo.Widget.activityButton in the buttons attributes Dec 09 07:27:25 will make it start spinning on tap Dec 09 07:27:53 it appears, but doesn't spin Dec 09 07:28:03 not sure what to say :/ Dec 09 07:28:13 this is 2.0 Dec 09 07:28:27 i dont know if that makes a difference Dec 09 08:02:00 so glad for the 2.0 app store download count patch. I like that one Dec 09 09:07:39 no worries Dec 09 09:07:54 I only ported the patches that I use Dec 09 09:08:04 someone else can do the rest :) Dec 09 09:09:27 ~lart jhowirc Dec 09 09:09:27 * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, jhowirc, this won't hurt a bit...." Dec 09 09:09:33 ouch Dec 09 13:09:16 thanks Dec 09 13:09:23 ~lart ka6sox Dec 09 14:14:36 heyho! Dec 09 15:37:45 * destinal ponders that wimax card and running it directly off USB without mini-pcie Dec 09 16:18:56 oc80z: hmm, it appears that just the USB portion of the intel 5350 may work, when wired to a desktop pc with usb this guy got it talking. http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5987&page=1. so just solder tiny wires to VCC and ground and USB D+ and D-. of course we'd lose wifi if we take out the comms board and put this in its place without using the pcie part. Dec 09 16:20:29 that's if any of this fits in the first place :) Dec 09 16:37:01 oc80z: this adapter may be useful in testing: http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/MP1.html Dec 09 16:47:59 oc80z: now you've got me started on this I'm going to build a wimax pre sooner or later for sure.. :) Dec 09 16:48:08 chuqui: morning Dec 09 16:49:00 I'm assuming at some point there will be a wimax webos device announced Dec 09 16:49:27 summatusmentis: sure, but we can build this today. :) Dec 09 16:50:20 destinal: hey, morning! Dec 09 16:51:00 destinal: :) Dec 09 16:51:51 summatusmentis: I have a spare pre with no data service that I won't miss the comm board from. well, I'll miss wifi, but maybe there's a way to shoehorn something in Dec 09 16:52:46 what condition is it in? Dec 09 16:53:08 I've got a pre with a crack forming near the battery door that I'll trade you >.> Dec 09 16:53:26 summatusmentis: eh this is scratched up a fair bit but works fine Dec 09 16:53:34 ah Dec 09 16:53:49 I'll just hold out for the new webos tablet Dec 09 16:54:33 yeah Dec 09 16:54:37 webos tablet pleeeeease Dec 09 16:54:37 summatusmentis: if you know anyone willing to donate semi-broken pre's to the cause, I could use a couple extra to open and solder things onto. :) Dec 09 16:54:46 I'm foolishly being enticed by the nook color Dec 09 16:55:04 torchie: I have a nook color, it's a nice tablet once hacked Dec 09 16:55:20 yeah but even then it's the two things I don't want Dec 09 16:55:27 1. android 2. 7 inch Dec 09 16:55:46 I'm just being swayed by the omap3600 and the $250 Dec 09 16:56:07 torchie: running other operating systems besides android should be possible, looking at angstrom, ubuntu for now Dec 09 16:56:41 yeah but in that case I'd rather use android Dec 09 16:57:09 meego would be cool once it gets better Dec 09 16:57:30 torchie: and resistive screen? Dec 09 16:57:33 as long as nokia puts out arm devices with meego Dec 09 16:57:43 summatusmentis: nook color's capacitive Dec 09 16:57:50 orly? Dec 09 16:57:54 summatusmentis: nookcolor has a capacitive screen Dec 09 16:57:57 though you have to hack it to get multitouch Dec 09 16:58:04 typical android device Dec 09 16:58:13 so free! so open! omg! Dec 09 16:58:16 I'd be hacking it anyway, because, you know, I want a tablet Dec 09 16:58:22 yeah that's the thing Dec 09 16:58:30 $250 for the hardware that's in it is a good deal; Dec 09 16:58:35 nook color you'd have to hack the hell out of to do anything useful in the first place Dec 09 16:58:41 I don't want 7" Dec 09 16:59:09 I guess I'll wait and see how the WebOS tablet works out, then I'll make a decision Dec 09 16:59:13 I've thought of getting it as an "intermediate tablet" since I'm getting poked with "what do you want for christmas" and this is probably the last time my ass is getting these kinds of presents Dec 09 16:59:23 but really... get a tablet and then get another tablet? Dec 09 16:59:33 exactly how I feel about it Dec 09 16:59:53 because I'm convinced I _will_ be getting the WebOS one Dec 09 17:00:26 and the webOS one will be, in the worst case scenario, $599 Dec 09 17:00:30 summatusmentis: HP definitely has the chops to do a decent tablet. we'll see how it looks. Dec 09 17:00:50 destinal: I'm hoping so Dec 09 17:01:03 torchie: I was sort of expecting $500 even Dec 09 17:01:12 I dunno Dec 09 17:01:17 I should get my hands on a nook color Dec 09 17:01:19 HP is big and has lots of resources Dec 09 17:01:25 and I imagine it'll be something omap based and not locked down in typical palm fashion so it'll be an attractive toy for all kinds of hacking as well Dec 09 17:01:35 I'm going by how the pre was the same price as the iphone on sprint Dec 09 17:01:46 though the plan was cheaper Dec 09 17:01:56 torchie: ipad is $499 entry level Dec 09 17:01:57 Emphasis on "was". Dec 09 17:02:01 oh word? Dec 09 17:02:02 my bad Dec 09 17:02:16 I'm expecting $400. They're not going to make the same mistake as Samsung. Dec 09 17:02:33 they also have to be able to afford the hardware Dec 09 17:02:44 RIM has already hinted at a sub-$500 price for the PlayBook too, and that'll be key competition. Dec 09 17:02:47 palm's one of the few mobile device companies that really gets that throwing resources into locking buyers out of their hardware is a waste of time / effort / # Dec 09 17:02:50 they have a nook color at the on campus BNN here Dec 09 17:02:51 - / $ Dec 09 17:02:52 if the webos tablet even remotely competes, I'll be ok Dec 09 17:03:06 playbook is 7 inches Dec 09 17:03:37 I don't think people will be starting with a size in mind and then picking a product based on that. Dec 09 17:03:43 "then be picking" Dec 09 17:04:07 I guess they'll pick a product and then find it's the wrong size then Dec 09 17:04:10 chandler: that's why I don't care anything about the samsung tab, for instance Dec 09 17:04:18 size matters a lot ot me Dec 09 17:04:26 to* Dec 09 17:05:10 destinal: you said you've got a nook color? Dec 09 17:05:12 I could get this thing for the sake of saying "yeah I have an android device" Dec 09 17:05:26 and to have a secondary testing tablet Dec 09 17:05:40 I mostly want something to allow full formatted PDF reading Dec 09 17:05:47 amnd I'm worried that screen is too small Dec 09 17:05:50 it is Dec 09 17:05:53 period. Dec 09 17:06:10 which is why I want 10" Dec 09 17:06:25 but $250 is easier to splurge on than $500 for an iPad Dec 09 17:07:25 I've been eyeing the 10" Archos tablet Dec 09 17:07:41 chandler: me too actually Dec 09 17:07:45 and it's not that expensive Dec 09 17:07:47 10 archos you say? Dec 09 17:07:56 is there root Dec 09 17:08:11 it's really new Dec 09 17:08:16 no idea if there's root or not Dec 09 17:08:19 the problem is does anyone care as much about the archos as much as the nook Dec 09 17:08:32 notion ink pre-orders are apparently also happening tomorrow Dec 09 17:09:09 torchie: there's a big Archos community, and a hack for Market Dec 09 17:09:12 torchie: $350 on amazon Dec 09 17:09:17 summatusmentis: yeah I've got a nook color, and have gotten the adb/root access set up and loaded a bunch of apps (and optware) onto it. I shouldn't have loaded angry birds, it has a tendency to steal me Dec 09 17:09:23 also, it's capacitive, not resistive, so multitouch apps will work correctly Dec 09 17:09:50 destinal: do you use it for PDF reading? Dec 09 17:09:57 specifically formatted pdf reading Dec 09 17:10:04 (or is the nook color capacitive?) Dec 09 17:10:20 apparently nook color is capacitive, just needs hacking for multi-touch Dec 09 17:10:28 chandler: where's the archos community? Dec 09 17:10:32 oh nice Dec 09 17:10:35 summatusmentis: forum.archosfans.com Dec 09 17:10:51 I'm very interested in this archose one Dec 09 17:11:09 there's a french community too somewhere naturally, but I wouldn't know where Dec 09 17:12:19 hum. actually, now the nook color is looking better to me Dec 09 17:12:32 summatusmentis: yeah, it's great for pdf books from the ones I've read so far Dec 09 17:12:33 * halfhalo is seeing archos @ ces Dec 09 17:12:41 Archos' achilles heel is that their app distribution sucks. either you hack Market on or you get a lot of garbage through their AppsLib store Dec 09 17:12:54 yeah, I'll be playing with the various options at CES Dec 09 17:13:09 last year was just a bunch of e-ink ereaders everywhere, hopefully some good tablets this year Dec 09 17:14:48 I really want a webOS tablet option though :-( Dec 09 17:14:51 yeah Dec 09 17:15:41 that's the alpha and omega of tablet options Dec 09 17:15:43 or a Meego tablet I guess, something that's not running a completely mangled version of Linux Dec 09 17:15:54 that's the other alpha and omega Dec 09 17:16:36 chandler: yeah, I'm much happier with the nook color now that I have optware on it Dec 09 17:16:41 in a perfect world, the fight would be between webOS and meego Dec 09 17:17:31 but android is very much a non-unix plugged onto a linux kernel IMO Dec 09 17:17:54 destinal: oh, how'd you do that? Dec 09 17:18:06 do you actually get a regular libc out of that? Dec 09 17:18:32 I have to wonder why Google didn't just go all the way and use the NetBSD kernel too. I don't think they're actually getting any advantages from using Linux Dec 09 17:18:36 chandler: I used the regular feed and took our optware-bootstrap-manual.sh script and spent days hacking away at it Dec 09 17:18:50 oh, cool Dec 09 17:19:08 same binaries as run on pre's optware (same armel binary feed) Dec 09 17:19:20 chandler: it'll be released / announced shortly Dec 09 17:19:27 destinal: are they formatted? I'm thinking something more like ACM formatted journal articles Dec 09 17:19:43 destinal: is it plausible to consider a debian/ubuntu chroot on nook color? Dec 09 17:19:44 summatusmentis: ah, I haven't tried Dec 09 17:20:03 chandler: should be easy enough Dec 09 17:20:04 it may not matter if I don't get into grad school Dec 09 17:21:21 is it possible to easily get stock on a nook color? Dec 09 17:21:44 like I don't want launcherpro or the nook ui or any of that noise Dec 09 17:22:12 torchie: not easily yet Dec 09 17:22:20 eventually it will be easy Dec 09 17:23:14 chandler: you could set up a chroot environment in a directory and use busybox's chroot to get into it I imagine Dec 09 17:23:23 I'm just gonna wait Dec 09 17:23:25 should be easy Dec 09 17:23:44 chandler: optware was harder but I didn't want to work in a jail Dec 09 17:24:12 now that the work's done it'll be easy for everyone to load Dec 09 17:24:43 what the webos tablet is only on carriers and you've gotta get sprint's ultra special super awesome "webos tablet plan" Dec 09 17:24:57 :( Dec 09 17:25:01 don't say things like that Dec 09 17:25:07 torchie: you can buy unlocked carrierless pre2's Dec 09 17:25:11 "we understand having a device where the software and hardware are developed as one is a luxury" Dec 09 17:25:22 "so we priced it accordingly!" Dec 09 17:25:35 torchie: can't imagine that you would not be able to do same for tablet Dec 09 17:25:35 the sprint hp webOS tablet plan. 4G. Dec 09 17:26:00 sprint nextel hp webos tablet plan* Dec 09 17:26:01 if they decide to do comms in it Dec 09 17:26:04 *4G Dec 09 17:30:43 you can still read nook books after a rooting right? Dec 09 17:31:01 probably won't get too comfy with them given the nature of updates Dec 09 17:31:37 if someone can show me that the nook color has a reasonable screen size, I might spring for it Dec 09 17:31:39 torchie, yes Dec 09 17:31:41 rooting is a bitch, at least on the epix Dec 09 17:31:45 bah. I really don't want to deal with rooting any device where the process is more complicated than typing the konami code into the launcher. back to waiting for a webOS (or meego) tablet Dec 09 17:31:48 summatusmentis: Dec 09 17:31:53 the screen size is not reasonable Dec 09 17:32:00 * ka6sox sooo much hates the term "rooting" Dec 09 17:32:08 chandler: yeah that's the problem Dec 09 17:32:13 * halfhalo pats ka6sox on the back Dec 09 17:32:18 torchie: s/reasonable screen size/a reasonable enough size to read formatted PDFs/ Dec 09 17:32:22 rooting, jailbreaking, fighting the hardware vendor, making the device usable Dec 09 17:32:34 whatever the case it is, I'm tired of having to do it Dec 09 17:32:35 ka6sox: better than "jailbreaking" being applied to everything in the universe Dec 09 17:32:40 the WORST part is every time you flash a rom onto the epic it resets Dec 09 17:32:42 torchie: I hear you there Dec 09 17:32:44 "I jailbroke my toaster, now I can make hot dogs in it" Dec 09 17:32:44 * ka6sox likes the term "making the device usable: Dec 09 17:32:50 like what the hell, it's a computer Dec 09 17:33:02 why must the vendors torment me post sale Dec 09 17:33:03 * halfhalo roots his epic for a single reason Dec 09 17:33:12 4g tethering Dec 09 17:33:40 I use "rooting" to mean exactly what it says, the process of gaining the ability to run stuff as uid 0 Dec 09 17:33:45 Magazines are presented as full-page, unreadable facsimiles of the real thing, which you can zoom in and pan around. Or you can use Article View, which pops the text out from the page and reformats it in a narrow column—exactly like Safari Reader. It's more readable, but completely breaks any fidelity to the magazine experience. Newspapers go through similar contortions to fit: B&N reformats them so that they're presented the same way as Dec 09 17:33:45 ebooks: page by page. Dec 09 17:34:00 why are we still making 7 inch tablets Dec 09 17:34:06 * halfhalo will admit hulu on the go is nice as well Dec 09 17:34:14 because they are lighter than 10" tablets Dec 09 17:34:53 The web browser works, but it generally tells sites it's a desktop browser instead of a mobile one, so you sometimes get weird formatting (like with Gmail) or a site that's too big for the Nook's tiny ereader britches (new Twitter wreaks havoc). Dec 09 17:36:46 torchie, you hvae a nc? Dec 09 17:36:52 I'm considering it Dec 09 17:36:56 for the hell of it Dec 09 17:37:03 like mine Dec 09 17:37:06 for christmas Dec 09 17:37:31 its sorta okay for browsing...its a good book reader though Dec 09 17:38:06 I'm 18 and got asked "what do you want for christmas" -- which is an immensely shocking and confounding question Dec 09 17:38:07 * ka6sox looks to see if gutenberg has any e-ink stuff. Dec 09 17:38:30 is it a good book reader if what you read mostly isn't novels Dec 09 17:38:36 * halfhalo hearts his kindle dx Dec 09 17:40:15 I'm mostly non-fiction, programming books, and psychology journals Dec 09 17:40:19 1 and 3 may fit the format Dec 09 17:40:26 halfhalo: do you like it? thats the other thing I've been considering for acm formatted stuff Dec 09 17:40:45 I love it save for one thing: sprint Dec 09 17:41:07 do you use it for browsing and things? Dec 09 17:41:31 I have the pre wifis version of it, and 2 pre wifis kindle 2's (and an original kindle somewhere) Dec 09 17:41:50 hey sprint is a pretty cool guy Dec 09 17:41:52 I only use it for books, but I have a LOT of books on it Dec 09 17:42:07 except for the "paying $10 extra for 4g when you didn't want it" part Dec 09 17:42:08 * halfhalo doesn't get sprint at his house Dec 09 17:42:22 halfhalo: oh, that's less useful Dec 09 17:42:56 at this point, I don't have a lot of reason to have a tablet, the idea was for grad school Dec 09 17:43:09 yeah, but I take it with me on vacations and whatnot and then its fine, and I can take it to school to download books Dec 09 17:43:14 at sprint, we know that owning an android device that isn't featurephone-tier is a luxury. Dec 09 17:43:18 so we priced it accordingly. Dec 09 17:43:38 torchie: lol Dec 09 17:43:43 and all the kindles are tied to a single account so books can be shared Dec 09 17:44:25 with the sprint 4g-only super-tier android plan. Dec 09 17:44:29 man this is hard decishawn Dec 09 17:44:44 I want to flip a coin but if it lands on tails then I don't get a nook color Dec 09 17:44:57 then again if it lands on heads, I end up stuck with a nook color Dec 09 17:45:10 torchie: "do you need it" Dec 09 17:45:15 ka6sox: for browsing have you tried Dolphin HD on NC? It makes browsing more than just "okay" IMO Dec 09 17:45:26 with multitouch enabled at least Dec 09 17:45:29 well really you don't "need" anything Dec 09 17:45:48 just a roof over your head, bread to eat, and a hand to hold Dec 09 17:46:01 I can't stand dolphin on the epic... I just can't Dec 09 17:46:12 * halfhalo uses firefox Dec 09 17:46:35 destinal, haven't yet...I need to get slideme on it. Dec 09 17:46:36 torchie: sounds like save your money :) Dec 09 17:46:52 argh Dec 09 17:48:19 ahahahaha: http://half22halo.dyndns-remote.com:3000/prewares Dec 09 17:49:31 * halfhalo should point out the data is only fully rendered in json and xml since this is literally a 2 minute old rails install Dec 09 17:49:53 sooo.... just go to .json or .xml Dec 09 17:50:44 summatusmentis: I need a nookcolor if I want to hack things to work on it. maybe it's a bad reason, it's like "because it's there" Dec 09 17:51:18 but it is decent hw if you like a 7" tablet, (I do) Dec 09 17:51:39 Rendered prewares/show.html.erb within layouts/application (2.9ms) Dec 09 17:51:39 Completed 200 OK in 34ms (Views: 8.4ms | ActiveRecord: 0.0ms) :p yay rails! Dec 09 17:53:00 guys i need help... at my work they are doing a yankee swap... i never had one... what should i buy for it? the limit is 20 bucks Dec 09 17:54:28 http://half22halo.dyndns-remote.com:3000/prewares.json :p Dec 09 17:56:18 destinal: that's fair Dec 09 17:58:06 * halfhalo loves how he can just make an empty model in rails and it will automagically create stuff from the mongodb Dec 09 18:01:33 http://optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org/packages <-- Much larger scale (and much more buggy (and just very bad coding)) implementation of the same concept Dec 09 18:24:28 so, setting through microsoft evangelist presentation at local .net ug. Dec 09 18:24:52 ick bleh win phone 7 hack spit. Dec 09 18:26:18 such win phone 7 hate Dec 09 18:26:40 no persistent storage. no db. market only. no sideload except unlockeed dev phones even with sdk 'use the emulator'. Dec 09 18:27:19 ugh Dec 09 18:27:34 worse than apple Dec 09 18:27:37 no accel in emulator. no gps in emul. use silverlight. Dec 09 18:28:49 rick_pre: no persistent storage really? is their answer just "use the cloud" and if you have no data service, you're hosed? Dec 09 18:29:17 p"persistent storage?" Dec 09 18:29:32 no business model for small devs. no copy paste. no direct load of files, only upload files through zune app only. Dec 09 18:29:34 I heard that microsoft was at least going to be cool about sideloading though? Dec 09 18:29:46 don't forget the internet explorer thing Dec 09 18:29:49 torchie no. Dec 09 18:30:07 rick_pre: sounds like MS is really shooting themselves in the foot, bigtime. Zune all over again Dec 09 18:30:14 persistent as in local? Dec 09 18:30:36 torchie: like no way to save anything on the device Dec 09 18:30:47 that's really shocking Dec 09 18:30:48 oh, as dev? Dec 09 18:30:54 des 'you app must have a synch strategy ane be prepared to have it's local storage overwriiten without warning. Dec 09 18:31:02 ah Dec 09 18:31:03 well Dec 09 18:31:05 um Dec 09 18:31:05 uh Dec 09 18:31:07 ... Dec 09 18:31:08 use the cloud Dec 09 18:31:11 >:O Dec 09 18:31:39 rick_pre: ah, so at least if your data service stops working local cache stuff should be ok until you get back online. probably. Dec 09 18:31:56 torchie. side load on unlocked dev phone only. non for phones released through the consumer channel period. Dec 09 18:33:32 note.. no ability to store arbitrary files on phone. phone must use zune interface to upload files Dec 09 18:33:43 so no USB mass storage? Dec 09 18:33:49 async is weird... Dec 09 18:34:05 no absolutely non torchie Dec 09 18:35:01 no side loading? but the WP7 Jailbreak guys just removed their tools to "negotiate" with MS about enabling homebrew Dec 09 18:35:09 the solution is separate devices? Dec 09 18:35:19 des probably. unless user brought up gmail in interum... Dec 09 18:36:13 and no storage, good grief. "oh the cloud is cool, let's FORCE people to use it!" Dec 09 18:36:19 egaudet... current official position. no sideload. period. Dec 09 18:36:53 no database. use linq and xml Dec 09 18:37:38 what, yourdataset is gt ramN Dec 09 18:37:53 ram? ...use the cloud. Dec 09 18:38:55 explaining twitter app async... he's nuts. it's insane. async GOES THROUGH THE CLOUD. Dec 09 18:40:13 no PERSISTeNT storage for apps. Dec 09 18:41:23 ooops. 10% batt. I may poof Dec 09 18:47:06 ping? Dec 09 18:50:53 ok he stopped. meeting over back later. Dec 09 18:54:37 . Dec 09 18:55:11 rick_pre: well microsoft has doomed windows mobile Dec 09 18:55:23 .... Dec 09 18:55:24 rick_pre: everyone will be iphone or android Dec 09 18:55:39 sad day for the mobile space Dec 09 18:55:44 or webos if hpsaves us Dec 09 18:57:25 I dunno if the saving could be that good Dec 09 18:57:33 iOS and android have absolutely batshit sets of exclusives Dec 10 00:53:22 not sure who's been working on this... but what's the progress in a pre2 on sprint? Dec 10 00:54:53 Tibfib, that is rwhitby 's department Dec 10 00:55:13 rwhitby ping! Dec 10 00:55:14 * rwhitby doesn't have Sprint in his country Dec 10 00:55:18 thanks scoutcamper Dec 10 00:55:41 Tibfib: status is that we're waiting now for HP to ship the Pre 2 devices to our folks who bought them Dec 10 00:55:43 rwhitby: does everything work right? or are there still profile issues (if those were the issues) Dec 10 00:56:09 alrighty, I'll wait for the smart people to figure it out :) Dec 10 00:56:17 Palm's servers do not recognise a P102EWW (Sprint Pre 2) so they reject profile stuff Dec 10 00:56:29 oh, that sucks Dec 10 00:56:31 everything? Dec 10 00:56:41 Would it be possible to change what it reports as? Dec 10 00:56:43 All I care about is my app purchases Dec 10 00:56:57 hi all, could anyone point me in the right direction for creating a .patch or .ipk that replaces an image? I also have a text edit to a .json file but know how to do that from looking at examples. Dec 10 00:57:29 rwhitby, is there any reason you cant overright the device id to a P100EWW? Dec 10 00:57:36 and disable ota? Dec 10 00:59:27 or was that attempted at dev day? Dec 10 01:00:56 * halfhalo thinks after cmda pre2's are el livo progess will be made Dec 10 01:01:48 halfhalo: why does it matter? can't you swap an at&t pre plus with a pre minus? Dec 10 01:03:50 If you can, you still have access to CDMA versions of webOS for a Pre Plus Dec 10 01:04:00 You don't have that right now with the Pre2 Dec 10 01:04:04 ^what he said Dec 10 01:04:10 * halfhalo is busy atm with ces emails Dec 10 01:04:25 oh, the webOS version? Dec 10 01:04:26 All you have with the Pre2 right now is GSM versions of webOS, and no CDMA ones Dec 10 01:04:34 gotcha Dec 10 01:04:39 makes sense Dec 10 01:05:11 once the Verizon Pre2 launches I'm sure it'll be a ton easier on everyone to get things ironed out just because you'll have both CDMA and GSM versions of webOS Dec 10 01:05:17 yupyup Dec 10 01:05:25 I was just thinking hardware wise :) Dec 10 01:05:40 intel press conference registered! Dec 10 01:06:44 halfhalo, what about palm? Dec 10 01:07:11 * halfhalo has gotten no emails from them yet Dec 10 01:07:35 * scoutcamper wants halfhalo to liveblog palm ces in irc Dec 10 01:08:00 their not doing a thing like that this year Dec 10 01:08:06 only press invite only stuff Dec 10 01:08:12 aren't you press? P: Dec 10 01:08:26 yeah, but need invite as well :p Dec 10 01:08:46 ping the Palm press email and ask about it Dec 10 01:08:54 did, never heard back Dec 10 01:12:30 OMG... This Boxee remote is a billion times better than the one in Preware right now Dec 10 01:12:42 halfhalo, have adora get one for you Dec 10 01:13:27 * oil waits is waiting for a pre2 to show up :) Dec 10 01:14:12 scoutcamper: she most likely cant, not in the same loop Dec 10 01:14:39 maybe she can walk a couple office doors down and ask arround? Dec 10 01:15:14 * halfhalo is just going to wait till the 15th then may ask Dec 10 01:46:07 * scoutcamper waits for the epic conversations to start Dec 10 01:47:32 how about this Dec 10 01:47:35 pixi >> pre2 Dec 10 01:47:45 Pixi 2 > * Dec 10 01:48:22 Pre 1>> Palm PAd? Dec 10 01:48:32 I think most of the guts on the Pixi are hollow just to make enough room for the battery to fit in without bulging. Imagine if they could just spread it out to be something along the lines of the iPhone 4s, where it's just one massive flat thing? Dec 10 01:48:34 s/Pre 1/Pre 2/ Dec 10 01:48:34 scoutcamper meant: Pre 2>> Palm PAd? Dec 10 01:48:36 SineOt, i sure how there is a pixi2 Dec 10 01:48:36 You could make a way thing phone Dec 10 01:48:54 sure how there is? wat P: Dec 10 01:49:50 palm pre2 is definitely great Dec 10 01:50:27 bhodder, SUPERCOWPOWERS Dec 10 01:50:48 lol Dec 10 01:51:08 * scoutcamper waits for someone to port that to 1.4.5 Dec 10 02:42:52 halfhalo, start an ethical debate plz Dec 10 02:42:59 irc is too quiet tonight Dec 10 02:43:10 cake or pie? Dec 10 02:43:17 cake :D Dec 10 02:44:07 * halfhalo gets hungry and eats his a's Dec 10 02:44:13 oil, since the open source stuff is out, how far from an overclock pre 2 kernel are we? Dec 10 02:44:35 * oil is not up on the kernel development Dec 10 02:44:57 but i believe unixpsycho is waiting on his pre2 Dec 10 02:44:57 ? Dec 10 02:45:00 im not sure Dec 10 02:45:51 has anyone received confirmation of their unlocked pre2 shipping from hp? Dec 10 02:46:02 no confirmation yet Dec 10 02:46:09 website still says its not been shipped yet Dec 10 02:46:12 same here Dec 10 02:46:39 no wonder the overnight shipping was so cheap! Dec 10 02:46:45 LOL Dec 10 02:47:59 it was cheap causw it's less than a lb Dec 10 02:48:21 bpadalino, overnight=overnight from the next solar eclipse Dec 10 02:48:38 in a massive company like hp processing will take a few days Dec 10 02:49:13 weird, since it says the 8th is the expected delivery date on the status page Dec 10 02:49:23 overnight means once it ships it will take less than a day Dec 10 02:49:40 not that it will ship out right away Dec 10 02:49:58 bpadalino: what status page? Dec 10 02:50:16 * Puffy_pixi is wating for email Dec 10 02:50:25 DUNDUNDUN!!!!! Dec 10 02:50:31 the one that says the order number, etc .. Dec 10 02:50:52 in the order confirmation a link highlighted "order status" Dec 10 02:51:03 bpadalino: you get a email with the order status? Dec 10 02:51:13 Puffy_pixi, iwpriv eth0 still doesn't tell me 0x8BEE that was failing on earlier Dec 10 02:51:15 just order confirmation - which has a link to order status Dec 10 02:52:25 egaudet: I will check it out after I am donw watching fringe **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 10 02:59:57 2010