**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 15 02:59:57 2010 Dec 15 05:11:38 * scoutcamper pokes halfhalo and asks for a disciussion topic Dec 15 05:11:50 but remember i am exauhtsted from finals Dec 15 05:12:11 * halfhalo sues scoutcamper Dec 15 05:12:17 * halfhalo has his last final tomorrow Dec 15 05:12:38 * scoutcamper has 3 more finals over the next 2 days Dec 15 05:13:46 "Zhephree says Relax" is today's topic Dec 15 05:13:59 * halfhalo relax's Dec 15 05:14:20 http://blog.zhephree.com/post/2317122152/webos-and-palms-futures-zhephree-says-relax Dec 15 05:15:43 i think palm pre is more than a cell phone Dec 15 05:15:51 its a pocket computer Dec 15 05:16:13 with capabilities matching Dec 15 05:16:23 none? Dec 15 05:16:46 * scoutcamper lols at duke-nukem 10 years ago Dec 15 05:48:19 raster: why are you calling my handheld computer a phone? that hurts its feelings. :) Dec 15 05:48:30 lol Dec 15 05:48:40 destinal: eh? Dec 15 05:49:00 err tabcompetefail Dec 15 05:49:11 sorry Dec 15 05:49:32 aaaaah Dec 15 05:49:48 * raster keeps sliding his widgets around on his PHONE Dec 15 05:50:54 I have decided that android is some kind of alien technology that has attached itself to the linux kernel but is not truly linux in spirit. Dec 15 05:51:08 in that, you are correct Dec 15 05:51:09 it sucks Dec 15 05:51:22 * halfhalo gets to go get a new epic tomorrow Dec 15 05:51:36 i came to that conclusion when i got a g1 and poked my nose about android and the sdk Dec 15 05:52:03 thats why i am busy working on a proper linux-spirited full linux os :) Dec 15 05:52:10 actually, destinal is being very polite. Dec 15 05:52:38 (linux spirited means a regular-looking linux on a phone - linux kernel, glibc, xorg, dbus, wm, compositor, toolkits... etc.) Dec 15 05:53:08 not only android lacks the spirit of linux, but the android community seems to be filled with the attitude expemplified by five year olds... "You're not the boss of me!" Dec 15 05:53:39 rick-home: that's part of the problem, I can't seem to find such a thing as an android community Dec 15 05:53:49 maybe in mountain view Dec 15 05:53:59 xda-devs is a horrible place Dec 15 05:54:04 no kidding. Dec 15 05:54:20 and that's the root of essentially everything. it all rotates around xda Dec 15 05:55:00 the xda folks seemed to welcome me with open arms when I visited them regarding a webOS port to Hero ... Dec 15 05:55:05 * halfhalo is pissed that he has no speakerphone on his android which may contribute to his antiandroid stance right now Dec 15 05:56:30 rwhitby: there are some cool folks at xda too actually. but I mean in terms of who's developing android itself.. Dec 15 05:56:47 ahhhh Dec 15 05:57:05 well... the Android Open Source Project seems to lack a community all together. Dec 15 05:57:08 destinal: I'm sure there are. they're hard to find though in the morass of illegality Dec 15 05:57:26 rwhitby: yeah, there are a LOT of romz sceners at xda also Dec 15 05:57:33 they drown out the rest Dec 15 05:58:09 yup Dec 15 05:59:16 there is http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel -- but boy is it low traffic. Dec 15 07:21:28 anyone know where i can find the patch from "Gesture Tap _ Move" (tap to move your icons across pages..) instead of dragging them... (really would like to have that again:/) Dec 15 07:21:55 tia Dec 15 07:35:50 solix: advanced launcher configuration? Dec 15 09:02:27 solix, I saw you disconencted, did you see oil's reply to you? Dec 15 09:02:46 no i did not.. :/ can you paste it? Dec 15 09:02:51 thanks.. Dec 15 09:04:26 cryptk: :) Dec 15 09:08:26 sorry, stepped away Dec 15 09:08:33 it is in the advanced launcher config patch Dec 15 09:08:45 it is part of that one Dec 15 09:09:12 solix, ^^^ Dec 15 09:09:54 oh ok.. great thank you, love that patch! :) Dec 15 09:10:07 actually makes the dektop faster.. imo. Dec 15 09:10:42 that one and the glass effect patch are the only ones I use for app launcher on my Pre- Dec 15 09:10:44 erm, smoother Dec 15 09:10:50 too bad I can't use them on the Pre2... Dec 15 09:11:04 yes, they make it look sooooo sleak Dec 15 09:11:33 oh? i supose might take a whie for the devs to catch up, get stuff ported eh. :) Dec 15 09:12:16 solix: not going to happen for the launcher patch Dec 15 09:12:49 oh. :( maybe wont need it.. :/ im stil on 1.4.5 anyways. Dec 15 09:12:50 it's all C code now, not easily patchable Dec 15 09:13:04 on the Pre2, the launcher is a compiled binary, it isn't HTML/CSS/JS like on the oldschool pre Dec 15 09:13:09 oic, quite a difeent ballgame now eh? Dec 15 09:13:20 wow.. i didnt know that Dec 15 09:13:30 hmmp Dec 15 09:13:52 just when im getting 'started'... getting use to it.. hehe Dec 15 09:15:03 so instead of learning java, i should pick C.. C++ was about 20 years ago.. yikes.. Dec 15 09:15:38 i havnt touched that since HighSchool.. :/ Dec 15 09:16:19 anyways, glad to know some people are on top of it.. :) cheers. bbl Dec 15 10:10:44 folks Dec 15 10:24:48 g'day bhuey Dec 15 10:40:42 hey rwhitby Dec 15 10:40:49 good work with that pre 2 btw Dec 15 12:30:10 I aslo was not aware the in 2.0 the launcher is a native app. Is the the only one that was chnaged to be a native app or are there more? Dec 15 12:30:39 Do this also include the TopBar or can this still be patched? Dec 15 13:44:15 wow that new secure shell via shellinabox looks really cool Dec 15 15:08:54 hello guys Dec 15 15:09:03 I need help for cooking my own webos doctor Dec 15 15:09:17 http://bit.ly/cookWebOSDoctor Dec 15 15:09:35 there is the description how I got webos 2.1 installed on my palm pre Dec 15 15:10:11 But it's unusable due to crashed castle-firmware - I'm not able to set device to update mode using webOSDoctor - is there another way I can do that? Dec 15 15:10:51 are there hacked firmware versions available on the net? Dec 15 15:30:48 hey guys Dec 15 15:31:08 maybe you know something about putting your phone manually in update mode without using the webOSDoctor? Dec 15 15:32:34 unsk1ll3d: There are no known ways to run 2.0/2.1 yet on a Pre Dec 15 15:32:42 http://bit.ly/cookWebOSDoctor Dec 15 15:32:46 have a look at it and try Dec 15 15:32:50 you won't get anywhere using the rootfs from the emulator Dec 15 15:33:02 the image has modules compiled for i686 Dec 15 15:33:07 ... Dec 15 15:33:18 that's why I'm asking for the firmware and/or kernel Dec 15 15:33:18 on your Pre you have an ARM architecture Dec 15 15:33:25 there's none yet Dec 15 15:35:03 unsk1ll3d all the firware is in the doctor ehich palm lets you download Dec 15 15:35:16 that's for the emulator Dec 15 15:35:48 okay Dec 15 15:35:52 the emulator emulates an intel processor, the Pre has an ARM processor Dec 15 15:36:04 yes, that's sure Dec 15 15:36:10 it's the same if you try to run a PDK game on your emulator, it won't work Dec 15 15:36:28 and there are three different arms so far Dec 15 15:36:28 the game is for ARM, your emulator is i686 Dec 15 15:37:09 is there a way to decompile the kernel? Dec 15 15:37:30 This will end in bloodshed and tears.... Dec 15 15:37:33 * halfhalo gets popcorn Dec 15 15:37:42 boooo!!! Dec 15 15:37:51 awww Dec 15 15:38:32 too bad, it was beginning to be fun... he posted in Precentral about having the prerelease SDK ;) Dec 15 15:38:42 It's a good thing Chuq wasn't here Dec 15 15:39:02 oh, he's going to be kicked out of EA soon enough Dec 15 15:39:54 yep Dec 15 15:40:14 he is. tempted to report him.... Dec 15 15:40:21 * halfhalo is Dec 15 15:40:36 if it was an honest mistake, I wouldn't Dec 15 15:41:03 kk Dec 15 15:41:04 but it wasn't. So I shall report him and let chuq handle it with whatever measures he deems appropriate Dec 15 15:41:11 ha Dec 15 15:41:35 * NuttyBunny steals some popcorn from halfhalo Dec 15 15:41:46 you could have _asked_ Dec 15 15:42:24 after two weeks workin w the andrid folks, i value our relayiondhip w hp more than ever Dec 15 15:42:32 oh god yes Dec 15 15:42:44 * NuttyBunny apologizes Dec 15 15:42:45 hate touchscreen kbs Dec 15 15:42:46 I hate having to deal with the people on xda for my epic Dec 15 15:43:03 swype isn't that bad, but its the only one I will use Dec 15 15:43:33 and to think I'll have to deal with them when my gf gets her X10 mini :( Dec 15 15:43:41 hah Dec 15 15:45:12 he already deleted his posts... hahahahaha Dec 15 15:45:50 attitude is horrible. they Could. havr chosen to be honorable early on but instead they went with the no rules do what you want... Dec 15 15:50:13 rick-no71: bingo Dec 15 15:54:56 * halfhalo has screenshots and copies of pc forum as well Dec 15 15:55:55 * halfhalo is also going to keep his computer on just long enough to send them to chuq, then is shutting EVERYTHING down until much, much, much later Dec 15 16:21:26 back Dec 15 16:21:37 *highfive* Dec 15 16:22:12 awwww Dec 15 16:23:43 gah, I can't style worth crap.... Dec 15 16:25:05 * halfhalo wishes there was an autostyle thinger for php... Dec 15 16:26:37 there is Dec 15 16:26:57 orly Dec 15 16:27:44 but i couldnt find it just now since im sitting in the surgicenyrr w my wife Dec 15 16:27:50 cataract... Dec 15 16:27:57 ah Dec 15 16:28:01 no problem Dec 15 16:28:05 for her... Dec 15 16:28:13 I have this now: http://patch.preyourmind.org/ Dec 15 16:28:32 but there is a php lint and an sutostyler Dec 15 16:28:35 haven't really worked on the header or footer yet Dec 15 16:29:16 nice Dec 15 16:29:27 very very nice Dec 15 16:30:32 source is here: http://git.preyourmind.org/?a=summary&p=webos.patches.git Dec 15 16:33:21 I'm stealing concepts from the rails acts_as_authorized gem for the auth system since its a really really really nice gem Dec 15 16:33:38 pretty... Dec 15 16:33:44 * NuttyBunny hates driving behind an ass whose brake lights don't work :@ Dec 15 16:34:19 texting while driving Dec 15 16:34:49 nuttybunny is a doner.... Dec 15 16:35:03 * halfhalo used to have a car that had rear fog lights.... that was fun Dec 15 16:35:29 IRCing while stopped in the "parking lot" that becomes of Mexico City in the morning Dec 15 17:17:21 hi chuqi Dec 15 17:25:46 do you guys know if there is a possibility to put the virtual keyboard into a dashboard scene? Dec 15 17:26:06 it wouldn't take up so much screen space over apps that way.. Dec 15 17:38:52 in portrait mode yeah Dec 15 17:40:09 yes. how? Dec 15 17:42:08 oh I thought you meant possibility as in can it be written to do that Dec 15 17:42:15 it doesn't do it right now Dec 15 17:43:20 well yeah, that's what i wanted to ask^^ thought it was possible right now after the answer ;) Dec 15 17:43:29 would that mean a lot of wor? Dec 15 17:43:32 work Dec 15 17:43:55 well as it is, IMO the VKB code desperately needs re-write Dec 15 17:44:16 It spawned out of the symbol popup and grew from there, but it turned into it's own beast without proper design Dec 15 17:44:58 I've been meaning to fix it but haven't had the time in a while Dec 15 17:45:52 hmm...well my problem is that when using it in for example the messaging app, it takes up a lot of space over former messages, the input line,...wherever. putting it into the dash would minimize the window but show it fully Dec 15 17:46:06 but i dont have the knowledge of writing patches... Dec 15 17:46:47 ice8lue: yeah I agree, I've wanted it in the dash since my very first attempt Dec 15 17:47:17 I didn't know enough at the time to properly think about it, and then there is also the issue that there is no notification/resize in landscape mode Dec 15 17:47:45 the best the current vkb can do is hide quickly with a double-tap Dec 15 17:48:26 there's not? hmm... it's not possible to build something dashboard-like from scratch, isn't it? Dec 15 17:49:11 landscape gets banner messages, but not the resizing notifications window Dec 15 17:49:26 that's controlled by luna so it'd be a losing battle trying to do that from scratch Dec 15 17:49:38 hmz... too bad Dec 15 17:50:20 does the webos 2.0.1 vkb do that? Dec 15 17:51:36 I think so, I haven't played with it yet. The 2.0.1 VKB is also native controlled by luna Dec 15 17:53:12 well, then it's pointless to try that on the old vkb...i think 8and absolutely hope) that 2.x will arrive soon for older devices Dec 15 17:55:34 well there would probably still be use for a homebrew VKB with more options like one-handed input, T9, etc.. etc.. Dec 15 17:56:00 there's just a crapload of stuff I want to do with very little time :P Dec 15 17:56:55 oh yes...same over here Dec 15 17:57:32 university takes up all my time... Dec 15 19:16:54 das ist immer blöd, mir fällt da das jahr über immer ne ganze menge ein Dec 15 19:17:22 uups^^ that shouldn't arrive here^^ Dec 15 19:37:38 ice8lue: you has verraten dich Dec 15 19:38:25 MetaView: ya...talking about christmas presents next to watching this channel is a little buggy sometimes^^ Dec 15 19:38:34 :) Dec 15 19:39:40 uh :D palm sent out a present aswell^^ Dec 15 19:40:03 did they? Dec 15 19:40:08 not to me... Dec 15 19:40:10 ya Dec 15 19:40:28 not even reviewed my last 2 updates Dec 15 19:43:25 I think it'll take a couple of days for this to be leaked Dec 15 19:46:42 NuttyBunny: hope it won't... Dec 15 19:48:37 I hope that also, I don't want to be involved in same drama as last time :S Dec 15 19:53:17 yap... i hate all that leaking stuff. it's an honor to be involved, you shouldn't kick that trust. Dec 15 20:01:18 ice8ue: to true, imo, goes along with a lack of appreciation for what HPalm has been supportive of ..that being webos-internals.. i see a lot of complaining (read: whining;) in the forums (dev forums even), about how this or that neds to be better... and "wheres my free pre", i mean ..really. j my 2cents . Dec 15 20:03:57 the good side though, is that i believe that HPalm will hold true, and understand that there are always "bad apples", and they are not stuipid to let that "spoil" what is such a great program, with such "genuine" interest in prolonging this trust between the cmmunity. i applaud all that Hpalm does, and has done. its truley been refreshing. :) Dec 15 20:03:58 absolutely true... i'm in software development so i know a little what it means to develop such a project. Dec 15 20:04:19 yup.. especially as Open Source.. im sure. :) Dec 15 20:04:52 i want free c00kies with my pre 2 Dec 15 20:04:59 keeping it Open, and in good hands/trust IS the key. Dec 15 20:05:13 mpingu: haha... settle for a browser cookie? ;) Dec 15 20:05:20 nah real cookies Dec 15 20:05:26 and palm pre got too much buttons ;) Dec 15 20:05:43 Palm Pre needs more buttons Dec 15 20:05:49 mpingu: ya, definitly too much^^ Dec 15 20:05:50 hehe.. i like buttons.. when my fingers arnen't sore.. ;) Dec 15 20:06:13 Oh, I'm sure I will first reactivate Duke3D and add gamepad support, that will be fine Dec 15 20:06:16 then palm should add the any key and an i win button ;) Dec 15 20:06:19 <3 pre- screen button Dec 15 20:06:48 the any key.. heh heh heh Dec 15 20:06:51 nah i am liking the pre totally the touch gesture area rocks Dec 15 20:06:59 yeah it does. Dec 15 20:07:26 theres a screen gestures app, but you have to use it on a card, of course.. :) nice idea.. :) Dec 15 20:07:36 ;) Dec 15 20:07:38 * MetaView just checks the battery of his BT gamepad Dec 15 20:08:07 i mean like nearly every app or atleast every app i know i can go backwards with touch slide to the left on the area Dec 15 20:08:43 also nearly every app got its settings or atleast some in top left screen area Dec 15 20:09:39 some people wish the pre's screen was bigger, .. meh. pre_pad will do that.. :) besides i really Love how ergonomic the Pre+'s are.. fits very well in the hand, and slides easily in the pocket.. couldnt be much better (for a phone), imo.. notmuch. ;) Dec 15 20:10:17 yeah perfect for a phone i got it for that and mobile gaming and stuff i got a ipod touch 4g Dec 15 20:10:25 yeap Dec 15 20:11:08 only thing palm really needs to fix Dec 15 20:11:14 imho is battery life Dec 15 20:17:03 my battery lasts all day Dec 15 20:18:53 oil, u dont run a stock kernel though do you Dec 15 20:19:18 i run uberkernal, but at 500mhz usually Dec 15 20:19:32 really only have it for compcache for the pre- Dec 15 20:19:57 i only overclock if im really relying on my pre at the time Dec 15 20:20:17 what you think about that fbi backdoor story for ipsec ? Dec 15 20:20:41 oil, what about the gov you use Dec 15 20:20:52 userspace Dec 15 20:21:41 uraspace Dec 15 20:21:53 when i oc, i go with screenstate though Dec 15 20:23:18 why not use screenstate with 500? Dec 15 20:25:07 because i don't like below 500mhz Dec 15 20:25:14 and screenstate 500/500 is pointless? Dec 15 20:25:42 lol Dec 15 20:25:47 i didnt mean 500/500, just that some range of lessthan 500 to 500 Dec 15 20:26:04 less then 500 is worse for battery life i thought Dec 15 20:26:07 race to idle and all Dec 15 20:27:42 im oc'd using 1337.5 undervoltage. min250, screenstate.. runs great.. :) Dec 15 20:27:49 1ghz that is Dec 15 20:28:21 30-38oDegrees *usually:) Dec 15 20:28:58 updating, and tethering kinda heat it up 45ish. but runs just fine. Dec 15 20:29:23 im just sayin.. cuase nobody asked me. :D Dec 15 20:29:34 lol Dec 15 20:29:55 i know, i ned to 'learn' how to tweet.. im workin on it.. ight.. ;) Dec 15 20:31:15 dam, Xserver on the pre is ... just sweet. :) Dec 15 20:34:08 is it possible to move/copy all your contacts to a google account? Dec 15 20:35:58 send them in an email... Dec 15 20:36:05 theres a patch that can do that Dec 15 20:36:22 okay....the csv patch? Dec 15 20:36:31 hmm 1 sec.. Dec 15 20:37:45 it is in preware.. im looking Dec 15 20:38:17 "Send All Contacts via Email" Dec 15 20:38:27 creates a vCard Dec 15 20:38:38 can import it into Gmail.. Dec 15 20:38:56 okay Dec 15 20:39:07 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wikileaks.png good xkcd about wikileaks and anonmyus Dec 15 20:39:27 and that vcard is importable to for example google mail? Dec 15 20:39:35 yes. Dec 15 20:39:47 i use it often.. family genealogy Dec 15 20:40:15 okay^^ and is it possible to use that in a new profile to get all the contacts back? Dec 15 20:40:43 hmm.. back to your pre.. create a new gmail, or one with just those, and add that account on to your pre Dec 15 20:40:59 maybe a way.. probably others as well Dec 15 20:41:33 ive never looked at doing that on my pre, there *may be a simple import option, dunno. :) Dec 15 20:42:45 dg Quick Cut.. make your own icon/shortcuts on your pre.. love it. :) Dec 15 20:43:06 that and TealSpeed is great. Dec 15 20:43:34 again; just sayin.. cause nobody's askin me. :P Dec 15 20:43:38 hehe Dec 15 20:54:59 the file for dev mode is /var/gadget/novacom_enabled right? Dec 15 20:55:16 or did it change in 2.0? Dec 15 20:57:30 NuttyBunny: i believe it is that previously.. i dunno if 2.0 though. :/ Dec 15 20:58:19 well, I hope that'll work, if not, it'll be just a step more to enable dev mode ;) Dec 15 20:58:32 nice :) good luck! Dec 15 21:00:04 i like having the dev_mode and usbnet enabled on first go.. very much. :) Dec 15 21:01:18 I prefer dev_mode only, that way my Linux machine won't try to get an ip from the Pre whenever I plug it in ;) Dec 15 21:01:43 Of course, I need it when I tether, so it would have been a good idea to enable it also on the first run Dec 15 21:01:54 hehe true.. Dec 15 21:02:40 INFO: Modem Updater: $ Firmware Flashing Time: 2 Minutes: 51 Seconds Dec 15 21:02:43 fwiw, i would almost pre enable freeTethering.. :) Dec 15 21:03:43 hehehe... good idea, and I think that's how it'll be until mytether works on 2.0 (because I really think it won't yet) Dec 15 21:04:26 uck.. why not use "freeTether".. ive used (donated for) MyTether2.0... and freeTether.. is MUUCH better, imho. :) Dec 15 21:05:00 i think its in the testing feeds.. or just get it off the site and compile it. Dec 15 21:05:34 u can close the card with freeTether and it will keep your connection.. just one nice thing. :) Dec 15 21:06:14 faster, afaik to.. but have not speed tested it yet.. but defineatly feels that way. Dec 15 21:06:16 mmm... I'll look for it... I miss the Palm Logo... I'll change it later ;) Dec 15 21:06:37 you can teather w/o paying extra using software, right? Dec 15 21:06:49 yes ShadeS Dec 15 21:06:59 does it work over bluetooth? Dec 15 21:07:04 freeTether, or MyTether 1.5.1 is free. Dec 15 21:07:05 yes Dec 15 21:07:06 I bought pdanet for my palm 650 back in the day Dec 15 21:07:18 erm, MyTether, does not, i dont think.. just WiFi and USB Dec 15 21:07:33 really worth the money as I was unable to code something myself back in that day Dec 15 21:07:40 but free teather does? Dec 15 21:07:45 i hear ya.. they are useful. :) Dec 15 21:08:00 yes.. freeTether does BT, USB, WiFi, ... :) Dec 15 21:08:15 i'll need to snag that rightaway Dec 15 21:08:27 i donated for MyTether, before i knew what i needed.. and found preware. ;) Dec 15 21:08:39 yeah, it's nice... aside from displaying Null on my Pixi for everything ;p Dec 15 21:09:01 yeah, it did the job.. but theres better. :) imo Dec 15 21:09:32 SIneOt freeTether is not Pixi compatable? Dec 15 21:09:39 it is :] Dec 15 21:09:49 oh ok. just not with YOUR pixi? ;) hehe Dec 15 21:09:51 it works fine. Need to also run a shell script for iptables, but it works fine Dec 15 21:10:00 it just displays Null for everything in the GUI Dec 15 21:10:05 :p Dec 15 21:10:05 oh yeah.. k Dec 15 21:10:12 i see what you mean. yeap Dec 15 21:10:17 "WAN IP: Null" etc Dec 15 21:10:21 yeap Dec 15 21:10:32 but it works just as good. Dec 15 21:10:46 yeah Dec 15 21:10:49 visolix_away: donating in exchange for a piece of software, is it really donating? Dec 15 21:10:53 well, aside from needing to run the shell script :] Dec 15 21:11:01 but that's easy to do Dec 15 21:11:22 no, it is not, imo, .. thats why i Qutationed "donated", ;) heheh Dec 15 21:11:44 ^^ @destinal-pre :) Dec 15 21:12:28 freeTether was not available when i signed on a couple months ago.. afaik, or i did not now about it. Dec 15 21:14:02 it's been around obscure Dec 15 21:15:09 its been around foreva Dec 15 21:15:14 yeah, it's kind of obscure Dec 15 21:16:01 yeah, not via Google, "beofre knowing about Preware/Homebrew" of course.. if i had, i defineatly would have .... Dec 15 21:16:39 redirected the "donation" to webos-internals for sure. Dec 15 21:17:04 did you guys see that "if other professions were treated like programming" video? Dec 15 21:17:15 nope. Dec 15 21:18:18 http://www.dump.com/2010/12/13/the-vendor-client-relationship-in-real-world-situations- Dec 15 21:18:24 video/ Dec 15 21:18:32 apend video tot he end of that - Dec 15 21:18:36 i'll be adding a monthly "donation" to internals in January, not much, but its worth it.. Dec 15 21:18:56 one of the ones it's like, he gets this $300 bill for dinner and he's all like, "Uh, we didn't budget for this" Dec 15 21:19:41 Loll Dec 15 21:19:43 "the taco stand is $12" "But this isn't the taco stand, and you got the filet minong!" Dec 15 21:20:18 guy is trying to buy a movie, "it's 19.99" "I got 8.50, come on, we can do this" Dec 15 21:21:02 the resturant guy is hilarious.... hahaha Dec 15 21:21:28 i gotta do this sometime... haha Dec 15 21:21:38 "yeah, show us how you did it so we can do it ourselves at home" Dec 15 21:21:41 "that was good dinner!" Dec 15 21:21:53 heheh Dec 15 21:22:46 i know some people that will 'negotiate' **everrrything, .. just funny. Dec 15 21:23:19 then theres the ones that fork out 9$ for a coffee.... ermm... ;) lol Dec 15 21:24:14 granted, its some pretty good coffee.. but ah, not *that* good.. :D Dec 15 21:24:36 ok. im talking to myself again, aren't i. :) lol Dec 15 21:25:13 ^nice, nice Dec 15 21:25:22 you should go to twitter... Dec 15 21:25:40 jk.. hahaa Dec 15 21:25:40 they kicked me out. :/ Dec 15 21:26:51 visolix: you talkedtoo muchß Dec 15 21:27:33 .. i have unlimited bandwith.. :) Dec 15 21:28:16 * visolix goes to #webos-chatter ;) Dec 15 21:32:59 we need more cowbell ! Dec 15 21:33:25 Ah fuck... Forgot that the doctors wipe the USB partition again now :/ Dec 15 21:33:27 WELP Dec 15 21:33:45 doctors wipe USB partition again??? Dec 15 21:34:55 tman ping? Dec 15 21:35:00 yup so it seems Dec 15 21:35:37 egaudet: 2.0 upgrade resizes lvm stuff Dec 15 21:36:58 which I can only hope will be a one time thing Dec 15 21:37:05 resize lvm yeah but fat can't resize? Dec 15 21:37:41 not nondestructively I think Dec 15 21:38:09 it's doing a smaller fat perhaps to make room for stuff Dec 15 21:38:25 no idea how they'll handle ota though if so Dec 15 21:38:32 does anyone know what exactly it's doing? Dec 15 21:38:56 destinal-pre: if worse comes to worse, they can just do it like most of the Android 1.x > 2.x updaters did and make it a tethered update only Dec 15 21:39:33 I'm just guessing because I know that my pre2 has different lvm setup, not sure if fat is smaller there though Dec 15 21:39:41 orly Dec 15 21:49:19 If I use the activation bypass, then later insert a SIM and run First Use, will that activate the device? Dec 15 21:49:31 yeees Dec 15 21:50:16 cool :9 Dec 15 21:55:15 * NuttyBunny cries Dec 15 21:55:31 I don't see paid apps... Dec 15 21:55:48 this seems to be a common thread :( Dec 15 21:55:51 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Dec 15 21:55:53 NDA :B Dec 15 21:56:01 * SineOt hops up and down going "fuckfuckfuck" Dec 15 21:57:49 and now how the h** I do install Preware?? webos quick install just says "Error" Dec 15 21:58:00 palm-install Dec 15 21:58:14 ah, right Dec 15 21:58:30 1.4.5 or 1.4.8? Dec 15 21:59:50 does anyone here have expereinece in microsoft visual studio? Dec 15 22:00:10 specifically visual basic Dec 15 22:02:16 SineOt: I actually went this way to use my new Palm device and I'm having a weird problem. I don't know if it's related to this or not. I cannot have any data connection. Wifi works though and I can make and receive calls. Dec 15 22:03:13 NuttyBunny: either is fine Dec 15 22:04:50 for some reason, I couldn't really complete the First Use application something goes wrong when I have to swipe up Dec 15 22:05:18 I take it you used an ATT Sim? Dec 15 22:05:37 Man this is really weird Dec 15 22:05:43 SineOt: no, TELUS sim, unfortunately Dec 15 22:05:54 Option-click on an icon should bring up the information for the application, right? Dec 15 22:06:43 SineOt: isn't that to delete an application? Dec 15 22:06:54 Yes and no Dec 15 22:06:59 it gives you the option to delete Dec 15 22:07:15 but should also bring up a thing with like, version number and developer Dec 15 22:07:23 oh, you're right Dec 15 22:24:03 ah... hm Dec 15 22:24:08 guess that means no patches Dec 15 22:24:47 SineOt, ???????? Dec 15 23:00:25 wow this thing is fast... Dec 15 23:01:11 ice8lue, this thing? Dec 15 23:01:55 my new pre Dec 15 23:02:16 pre or pre+or pre 2 Dec 15 23:02:18 ? Dec 15 23:02:34 normal pre Dec 15 23:03:21 * scoutcamper feels sorry for ice8lue being on a pre- Dec 15 23:03:42 if u got a newer oe for me... ;) Dec 15 23:04:18 lol Dec 15 23:04:19 nope Dec 15 23:11:47 too bad ;) Dec 15 23:42:11 cu guys Dec 15 23:50:41 is there anyway one can edit the recovery tool? Dec 16 00:34:30 b3ll: the doctor? Dec 16 00:34:41 yea I think I got it though Dec 16 00:35:28 * halfhalo got php and mysql talking! He hasn't done that in YEARS Dec 16 00:35:37 Loudergood, that made me think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who Dec 16 00:38:56 b3ll: I was going to suggest metadoctor Dec 16 00:39:03 nope I'm doing this myself Dec 16 00:39:03 lol Dec 16 00:39:13 halfhalo: mysqli_connect? Dec 16 00:39:22 maybe Dec 16 00:39:30 * halfhalo likes his orm's dammit Dec 16 01:50:24 Hey, is Rod awake .. Dec 16 01:50:52 no Dec 16 01:52:03 i can attest to that Dec 16 01:52:44 http://patch.preyourmind.org/login.php hehehe.... Dec 16 01:52:52 * halfhalo has gotten a stolen theme to work Dec 16 01:55:19 and theoretically those messages are supposed to mean something. they don't however, they are not actually tied to anythng Dec 16 02:36:36 umm if I run the activation bypass Dec 16 02:36:47 and then just run firstuse.app Dec 16 02:36:51 it'll activate correct? Dec 16 02:37:02 depends Dec 16 02:37:19 on 1.4.5 and under... Apparently yes Dec 16 02:37:59 let's see what happens Dec 16 02:44:23 rwhitby is there anyway to re-activate devices after using the bypass on 2.0? Dec 16 02:44:52 b3ll: what device? Dec 16 02:45:56 b3ll: in general, a full erase will normally reset any activation bypass Dec 16 02:46:14 yea I can't do that lol Dec 16 02:46:35 if I make a custom doctor I can't flash it (complaining about not being able to restart it) Dec 16 02:47:18 the MetaDoctor has been qualified for all public doctor releases Dec 16 02:47:46 yea Dec 16 02:47:50 I know that :P Dec 16 02:47:58 [redacted] Dec 16 02:49:15 lol Dec 16 02:49:28 * rwhitby bbl Dec 16 02:49:32 I love that. [redacted] [redacted] [redacted] back to you. Dec 16 02:51:24 OMG [redacted]!!! Dec 16 02:56:10 rposa :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 16 02:59:57 2010