**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010
Dec 17 03:16:30 <Jack87> are you supposed to review the movie for work?
Dec 17 03:17:20 <ka6sox> Jack87, what movie?
Dec 17 03:17:42 <Jack87> halfhalo: was talking about tron
Dec 17 03:17:44 <halfhalo> Jack87: nope.
Dec 17 03:18:10 <Jack87> halfhalo: hum.... why are you getting paid to watch it? sounds intriguing
Dec 17 03:18:16 <shaikh> Hey Guys! So i finally got around to listening to this weeks PalmCast and Keith said he tried to FrankenDoctor is Pre minus!
Dec 17 03:18:30 <shaikh> I havent been around in a while,
Dec 17 03:18:43 <halfhalo> The showing is just during the work day
Dec 17 03:18:56 <shaikh> is there a frankenDoctor for the Pre Minus or did he mean he tried to Pre 2 his Pre minus?
Dec 17 03:19:03 <Jack87> halfhalo: and you can vanish for 3 hours on the clock?
Dec 17 03:20:11 <halfhalo> my boss paid for the ticket and is coming with the rest of the office
Dec 17 03:20:50 <Jack87> oh nice.. a little xmas thing?
Dec 17 03:20:57 <halfhalo> no
Dec 17 03:20:59 <halfhalo> just a movie
Dec 17 03:21:14 <Jack87> haha my boss is not cool as your boss
Dec 17 03:22:41 <shaikh> whats the status on FrankenDoctor for the Pre Minus?!
Dec 17 03:23:31 <destinal-pre> shaikh: now that there's the delay announcements we'll have to try again
Dec 17 03:24:20 <shaikh> how can I send a message directly to you?
Dec 17 03:24:27 <halfhalo> dundundun....
Dec 17 03:24:39 <halfhalo> ZSOC!!!!!
Dec 17 03:24:45 <zsoc> halfhalo: what?
Dec 17 03:25:23 <zsoc> halfhalo: i'm always here you know, just /msg me :p
Dec 17 03:25:23 <halfhalo> hi
Dec 17 03:25:31 <halfhalo> effort
Dec 17 03:25:42 <zsoc> halfhalo: accepted
Dec 17 03:25:42 <shaikh> how do you message someone privately in this chat?
Dec 17 03:27:34 <ka6sox>  /msg user foo
Dec 17 03:27:42 <shaikh> Thanks!
Dec 17 03:27:46 <Jack87> ka6sox: haha
Dec 17 03:27:48 <ka6sox> but use it lightly
Dec 17 03:28:08 <shaikh> yes of course, I have no intention of bothering anyone here! I love you people
Dec 17 03:28:11 * ka6sox is not good at that unfortunately
Dec 17 03:30:26 <zsoc> ka6sox: not bothering people, or loving us?
Dec 17 03:30:58 <shaikh> haha
Dec 17 03:31:14 <zsoc> god i missed linux
Dec 17 03:31:19 <ka6sox> zsoc, I show a LOT of love here....about 6hrs a day of it.
Dec 17 03:31:25 <zsoc> why the hell can't sc2/dcuo work on linux
Dec 17 03:31:47 <zsoc> ka6sox: just a play on words bro :) we love you
Dec 17 03:32:00 <ka6sox> zsoc np...I know
Dec 17 03:32:39 <halfhalo> *Law & Order Chimes*
Dec 17 03:32:44 <shaikh> hey guys, so Keith said he tried to frankenDoctor his pre, but it didnt work. Has it worked for anyone? I was just told here was a delay announcement and we would have to try again
Dec 17 03:32:58 <shaikh> what does that mean exactly?
Dec 17 03:34:31 * halfhalo dunnos
Dec 17 03:34:35 <Loudergood> no.
Dec 17 03:35:47 <Loudergood> still issues with the graphics driver
Dec 17 03:36:24 <Loudergood> or was that the attempt at a newer kernel..
Dec 17 03:37:01 <shaikh> darn! but thank you for telling me haha. I was excited
Dec 17 03:37:52 <shaikh> Do we still need data that palm needs to release?
Dec 17 03:41:51 <Jack87> ka6sox: he called you "you people"
Dec 17 03:41:57 <Jack87> i wonder what he ment by that
Dec 17 03:42:11 * Jack87 going to go drink now that school is over
Dec 17 03:42:40 <halfhalo> SueSueSue!
Dec 17 03:42:52 <ka6sox> Jack87, I'll drink to that...
Dec 17 03:43:10 <Jack87> :)
Dec 17 03:43:25 <Jack87> ka6sox: you rock... bye everyone!
Dec 17 03:44:08 <ka6sox> niters Jack87
Dec 17 05:45:25 <abegee> ping
Dec 17 05:45:39 <halfhalo> ERR: NO ROUTE TO HOST
Dec 17 05:46:32 <abegee> lol
Dec 17 06:16:12 <rick-home> .me off to bed.  Night Night
Dec 17 06:16:57 <zsoc> later
Dec 17 06:24:24 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone, how's it going?
Dec 17 06:27:02 <ajay> hola!
Dec 17 06:27:48 <NuttyBunny> hola!
Dec 17 06:29:38 <ajay> haha, nice name!
Dec 17 06:31:21 <ajay> Is it possible to save the Contacts database?
Dec 17 06:31:57 <ajay> I want to get my contacts (including links) on my dev device, but I unthoughtfully added some of my contacts to my Palm Profile, gah..
Dec 17 06:32:45 <NuttyBunny> mmm... well, you can copy the PalmDatabase.db3 file, and use a sqlite editor to get the contacts info...
Dec 17 06:33:08 <NuttyBunny> Or I think you can move contacts between accounts
Dec 17 06:34:45 <NuttyBunny> Yes, if you go to the contacts app, open a contact, and tap Edit, you enter the edit mode, and here you can change where it's stored, you just tap the account icon (the one on the right upper hand)
Dec 17 06:35:07 <NuttyBunny> This way you could get the contacts out from your palm profile
Dec 17 06:36:08 <rwhitby> there is also a patch which sucks them all up in to a vcard email
Dec 17 06:36:14 <rwhitby> then you import that into google
Dec 17 06:37:04 <NuttyBunny> ah, right, I forgot about that patch :)
Dec 17 06:38:42 <ajay> hmm, interesting..
Dec 17 06:59:19 <ajay> Is there any overclockin action goin on with the Pre 2's?
Dec 17 06:59:31 <rwhitby> nope, it's fast enough as-is
Dec 17 06:59:37 <rwhitby> ;)
Dec 17 07:00:02 <NuttyBunny> let them dream of a 2.0Ghz+ webOS device ;)
Dec 17 07:00:27 <NuttyBunny> with a battery that'll drain in 3 hours :D
Dec 17 07:00:33 <ajay> I don't think I've ever heard an overclocker say "it's fast enough already" before.. :)
Dec 17 07:00:51 <rwhitby> don't worry, it's being worked on in the background
Dec 17 07:01:07 <rwhitby> but getting other things working is taking a higher priority before speeding them up
Dec 17 07:01:45 <ajay> makes sense!
Dec 17 07:02:54 <ajay> Are Sconix's patches 2.0-ready?
Dec 17 07:03:23 <ajay> Dang this is gonna be a _lot_ of work huh! (for everyones' patches (and maybe themes/etc!)) eek..
Dec 17 07:04:26 <ajay> anyone know if a SIM card is required to use the Pre? Talkin about app catalog over.. (over GSM of course)
Dec 17 07:05:28 <NuttyBunny> If you have activated your pre previously on a supported country, you can drop the sim and use it over wifi and access the catalog fine
Dec 17 07:05:42 <ajay> I don't have any SIMs, it's my brand-new/unused dev device
Dec 17 07:06:11 <rwhitby-pre> pre or pre2?
Dec 17 07:06:27 <ajay> and is the app catalog/profile tied to the SIM in the phone, or to the phone itself?
Dec 17 07:06:27 <ajay> pre
Dec 17 07:06:47 <NuttyBunny> you could use it without activation, the profile is tied to your phone (IMEI I presume)
Dec 17 07:06:53 <rwhitby-pre> use the palm tool
Dec 17 07:07:00 <NuttyBunny> no, the catalog is tied, not your profile .)
Dec 17 07:07:46 <rwhitby-pre> profile is tied to device record which is tied to imei
Dec 17 07:07:54 <ajay> which? I already used the 'bypass activation' (devicetool.jar) now I wanted to create a profile, but 'First Use' is complaing about the missing SIM
Dec 17 07:08:07 <NuttyBunny> you need the sim for the activation
Dec 17 07:08:22 <ajay> no SIM no profile?
Dec 17 07:08:39 <NuttyBunny> no sim no activation
Dec 17 07:08:46 <ajay> activate == profile creation?
Dec 17 07:08:56 <rwhitby-pre> do you have a profile already?
Dec 17 07:09:09 <ajay> I have one on my personal device, but I was planning to create a new one for this device.
Dec 17 07:09:19 <NuttyBunny> profile creation / login for the first time on a new Pre == activation
Dec 17 07:09:25 <rwhitby-pre> you can try metadoctor
Dec 17 07:09:35 <ajay> I was about to doctor my personal device though..
Dec 17 07:09:38 <NuttyBunny> but he wants app catalog access :)
Dec 17 07:09:59 <rwhitby-pre> bypass activation, run first use, see if it lets you create a new profile without a sim
Dec 17 07:10:20 <ajay> I get excited when I can type in phrases to google (bypass activation, *doctor, etc) w/o mentioning pre and the top links are for me :)
Dec 17 07:10:37 <ajay> rwhitby-pre: That's where I'm at, it's showing me how to put a SIM in
Dec 17 07:10:56 <rwhitby-pre> you won't get paid app cat access unless you activate in an official country with a sim
Dec 17 07:11:07 <ajay> hmm..
Dec 17 07:11:19 <NuttyBunny> I bypassed activation and activated later on, but with a SIM, I should've had tried it
Dec 17 07:11:27 <rwhitby-pre> ajay: metadoctor bypass activation, it's better than palm's tool
Dec 17 07:11:49 <ajay> oh
Dec 17 07:11:52 <rwhitby-pre> allows you to at least log into a profile later, maybe even create one
Dec 17 07:11:59 <ajay> ok will try
Dec 17 07:12:16 <rwhitby-pre> but I doubt it on the create
Dec 17 07:12:39 <rwhitby-pre> borrow a sim, and do it in the right countey
Dec 17 07:12:52 <ajay> I was about to doctor my personal device anyways (per your rec from earlier since I can't click on links/etc anyways) so maybe I'll create an extra profile or few.. ;^)
Dec 17 07:13:18 <rwhitby-pre> s/countey/country/
Dec 17 07:13:18 <infobot> rwhitby-pre meant: borrow a sim, and do it in the right country
Dec 17 07:15:35 <ajay> oh my .. that sounds like it requires friends or somethin.. ;^) Oh and I guess I can't/shouldn't use my friend's T-Mobile SIM, probably needs to be an ATT SIM too..
Dec 17 07:16:20 <NuttyBunny> I read that a T-Mobile can be used
Dec 17 07:16:37 <NuttyBunny> s/T-Mobile/T-Mobile SIM/
Dec 17 07:16:37 <infobot> NuttyBunny meant: I read that a T-Mobile SIM can be used
Dec 17 07:16:43 <NuttyBunny> I love that ;)
Dec 17 07:17:15 <abegee> who said a patch is needed to extract the contacts to a vcard?
Dec 17 07:17:32 * NuttyBunny points to rwhitby
Dec 17 07:18:03 <abegee> why can't you just use the cellbrite thingy
Dec 17 07:18:19 <NuttyBunny> what's that?
Dec 17 07:18:54 <abegee> type a code into the phone app and it opens an option to export all contacts
Dec 17 07:19:43 <ajay> I feel like I read a T-Mobile SIM won't allow proper app catalog access
Dec 17 07:20:18 <ajay> abegee: I feel like I tried that code once and it didn't work, i should try again tho
Dec 17 07:20:25 <NuttyBunny> ajay: mmm.. lemme find the post
Dec 17 07:20:39 <abegee> will post an app for that
Dec 17 07:21:53 <abegee> try http://onwebos.com/export
Dec 17 07:21:59 <rwhitby-pre> yeah, the cellulite app will do too
Dec 17 07:22:18 <ajay> oh I guess this would have been a good time for neato! alas.. ;^)
Dec 17 07:22:44 <abegee> if you have preware installed just hit the link
Dec 17 07:23:31 <abegee> internals should open the link too
Dec 17 07:25:03 <NuttyBunny> ajay: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/269448-activate-your-unlocked-gsm-pre-2-ota-app-catalog-availability.html#post2771626  - AT&T/T-Mobile
Dec 17 07:25:57 <ajay> k. this is a pre i'm playing with tho..
Dec 17 07:26:24 <NuttyBunny> It's so nice to have a spare device ;)
Dec 17 07:26:38 <abegee> <rwhitby-pre> yeah, the cellulite app will do too
Dec 17 07:26:49 <ajay> rwhitby-pre: where would I find documentation on getting the metadoctor to change partition sizes/etc?
Dec 17 07:27:12 <abegee> <rwhitby-pre> where to get the preware 1.5 just saw your tweet
Dec 17 07:27:21 <ajay> I don't see anything like that in the Application:MetaDoctor wiki
Dec 17 07:27:27 <NuttyBunny> abegee: testing feeds
Dec 17 07:27:29 <rwhitby> um, in preware?
Dec 17 07:27:34 <rwhitby> public feed
Dec 17 07:27:49 <ajay> getting preware in preware? That's definitely a formula for an infinite loop, be careful!
Dec 17 07:27:58 <abegee> ok will do, my wifes pre is using "some version" of 2.0
Dec 17 07:28:11 <ajay> ;^)
Dec 17 07:28:11 <rwhitby> nope, we change the tyres on a moving car regularly
Dec 17 07:28:16 <abegee> yeah it's like googleing google
Dec 17 07:28:21 <ajay> don't do it!
Dec 17 07:28:24 <NuttyBunny> "some version"... hehehe
Dec 17 07:28:25 <rwhitby> get.preware.org has it too
Dec 17 07:28:29 <ajay> heh
Dec 17 07:28:59 <abegee> I didn't want to mess with my pre plus so I put it on her pre minus :)
Dec 17 07:29:14 <NuttyBunny> the worst that can happen is that your car will go over the cliff, but you can just run the new one ;)
Dec 17 07:29:30 <abegee> problem is she wants her Uberkernel back
Dec 17 07:29:58 <abegee> BTW is internals running on 2.0 yet
Dec 17 07:30:06 <rwhitby> nope and nope
Dec 17 07:30:19 <ajay> rwhitby: I believe it was you that suggested (weeks ago) I could use metadoctor to reconfig my partition sizes? or am I thinking of someone else..
Dec 17 07:30:39 <rwhitby> yep, ext3 partition
Dec 17 07:30:57 <rwhitby> look in doco in Makefile
Dec 17 07:31:09 <ajay> No internalz on 2.0? doh.. is using a Pre2 kinda like using a Pre when it first came out then??
Dec 17 07:31:28 <NuttyBunny> no terminal either ;)
Dec 17 07:31:47 <abegee> can anyone  help me with a perl script to sort an XML file?
Dec 17 07:32:01 <abegee> my perl knowledge is close to zero
Dec 17 07:32:19 <ajay> rwhitby: oh yes.. many nice options!
Dec 17 07:33:39 <ajay> Man I almost want to disable the palm update daemon.. the damn thing (VzPre+) is obsessed with getting me to upgrade to 1.4.5..That's what I'm running, and it already (w/o my perm) "upgraded" twice! grr..
Dec 17 07:35:34 <NuttyBunny> just change the permissions for the update daemon executable ;)
Dec 17 07:35:50 <rwhitby> chmod -x works well
Dec 17 07:37:07 <abegee> <abegee> can anyone &nbsp;help me with a perl script to sort an XML file? &nbsp;
Dec 17 07:37:10 <NuttyBunny> or use internalz on 1.4.5
Dec 17 07:37:48 <ajay> hah
Dec 17 07:38:38 <ajay> I don't understand why it doesn't know 1.4.5 is already running. very dumb. I think I've even doctored it once. (Actually today it wasn't bugging me, but when I launched 'Updates' it asked..)
Dec 17 07:39:35 <ajay> if there's any chance that VzPre2 won't be coming out i hope some employees will start "losing" the (assumingly) already built ones
Dec 17 07:40:39 <NuttyBunny> there was one on Ebay :)
Dec 17 07:40:57 <NuttyBunny> advertised as a Plus, but it was a CDMA Pre 2
Dec 17 07:41:14 <ajay> I read about that, very exciting!
Dec 17 07:41:54 <ajay> Man it'll be so exciting to have my phone workin properly again..(!)
Dec 17 07:44:02 <SineOt> Hmm. You know, now that I have a developer Pre... I should try shoehorning in a new build of webkit!
Dec 17 07:45:21 <ajay> ooo
Dec 17 08:00:17 <NuttyBunny> gotta go, it's 2am here and I have to wake at 6:30 .. c-ya :)
Dec 17 08:03:59 <ajay> oh I found a dude on PC that said he activated sans SIM. hmm..
Dec 17 08:04:20 <SineOt> I tried that. It... Didn't go too well.
Dec 17 08:04:44 <ajay> ?
Dec 17 08:05:23 <SineOt> Activating my ATT Pre+ without a SIM.
Dec 17 08:05:29 <SineOt> Or at least without an ATT SIM.
Dec 17 08:09:59 <ajay> SineOt: Caught that, I'm wondering what "didn't go too well" meant.. signing in and/or creating a new profile over wifi, couldn't get it to go?
Dec 17 08:10:59 <SineOt> Just more got stuck. The step right before creating the profile, wouldn't let me pass. Kept asking for the Network unlock.
Dec 17 08:55:20 <ajay> SineOt: weird
Dec 17 08:59:04 <SineOt> Yeah
Dec 17 08:59:10 <SineOt> but then again, it was with a non-ATT SIM
Dec 17 08:59:24 * SineOt tries to figure out WTF by reading source code
Dec 17 09:04:15 <ajay> SineOt: Oh I thought it was with NO SIM? Oh I missed your 2nd sentence. Hrmm, weird/confusing
Dec 17 09:04:51 <SineOt> With no SIM I can't get passed the screen that says basically to check the SIM
Dec 17 09:06:39 <ajay> SineOt: Did you research it? There's a guy on PC that says he did it..
Dec 17 09:07:03 <SineOt> yeah, he posted how he did it on PC, but... I couldn't duplicate it :/
Dec 17 09:07:59 <ajay> interesting..
Dec 17 09:22:39 <ajay> aww webOS.tar is where the images lay.. interesting..
Dec 17 09:22:53 * ajay muahahas
Dec 17 10:08:17 <ajay> k think its about me bedtime too!
Dec 17 12:57:13 <NuttyBunny> *yawn*  Morning all :)  Friday at last!
Dec 17 13:00:21 <MetaView> it is
Dec 17 13:13:04 <ka6sox> what day is it?
Dec 17 13:15:59 <MetaView> They call it friday...
Dec 17 13:16:07 <MetaView> 17th
Dec 17 13:16:08 <NuttyBunny> friday I think
Dec 17 13:16:20 <NuttyBunny> unless I slept all day ;)
Dec 17 13:16:35 <NuttyBunny> oh, number.. hehehe
Dec 17 13:17:11 <MetaView> YMMV I might have to add
Dec 17 13:17:39 <NuttyBunny> Friday, the 17th +/-1
Dec 17 13:32:17 <NuttyBunny> Anyone with 2.x knows if there's a way to force a quality setting in Flash? I see it's all antialiased and nice looking, but It'd be nice to have it faster and uglier than slower and preetier
Dec 17 13:33:02 <MetaView> might be somewhere in the filesystem, a conf-file or such
Dec 17 13:34:36 <NuttyBunny> I thought that, I'll have to look into it, cause I also really think it'll have an effect in battery life :D
Dec 17 13:48:42 <abegee> yeah as is flash hardl
Dec 17 13:48:53 <abegee> hardly has any use
Dec 17 15:09:18 <bobbydharrell> hey ... Any chance someone can add an all option under available other in preware ... All the other categories have an all
Dec 17 15:11:27 <cryptk> well, there is a reason we don't have an All under Other
Dec 17 15:11:40 <cryptk> the categories there are definitely different from each other
Dec 17 15:12:26 <cryptk> under Apps, they are all apps (just different genre's of app), same for patches... Other is just other, has everything from optware binaries to kernels to linux scripts (the utilities are pretty much just shell scripts)
Dec 17 15:44:14 <ice8lue> heyho
Dec 17 16:13:44 * halfhalo yawns
Dec 17 16:14:02 <egaudet> ~kick halfhalo
Dec 17 16:14:03 * infobot kicks halfhalo
Dec 17 16:14:09 <egaudet> WAKE UP!
Dec 17 16:14:11 <halfhalo> OW
Dec 17 16:14:34 <halfhalo> ~botsmack
Dec 17 16:14:34 <infobot> OWW!
Dec 17 16:15:11 <halfhalo> its early dammnit
Dec 17 16:18:15 <halfhalo> ... I locked up mail....
Dec 17 16:18:39 <halfhalo> NOW how am I supposed to laugh at all the emails?  I mean... read work related emails...
Dec 17 18:04:47 <PalmIRC> Is anyone aware of a way to activate a new palm pre 2 without a data plan?  I wanted to activate with the wifi.
Dec 17 18:06:33 <destinal-pre> PalmIRC: you can bypass activation with palm's bypass tool and then enable wifi and run first use, perhaps.  I haven't tried, myself
Dec 17 18:22:00 <Kyusaku> you need a cell data plan do the activation for access to an app catalog
Dec 17 18:22:28 <Kyusaku> you can bypass the activation for other uses
Dec 17 18:25:25 <Rick_work> At the present time, until Palm has wifi only devices out there (think pad) their security system does not ALLOW the creation of palm profiles other than over carrier-networks.
Dec 17 18:25:41 <Rick_work> This direct from the horses mouth, the director of security at palm.
Dec 17 18:27:28 <zsoc_web> Rick_work: but he asked if there was a /way/
Dec 17 18:27:52 <Rick_work> and I answered.  "Not unless the pre is up on a carrier"
Dec 17 18:28:22 * zsoc_web scratches his head
Dec 17 18:29:02 <destinal-pre> Rick_work: ah but you can log into one a friend creates for you yeah?
Dec 17 18:29:25 <Rick_work> well, now...  that's a thought.  aYep.
Dec 17 18:30:42 <slydog43> I found a bad description for a patch for 2.x, the Advanced System Menus-Power Menu has a description that talks about the today menu instead of the power menu
Dec 17 18:30:57 <slydog43> where should I report this to
Dec 17 18:31:16 <slydog43> version 2.0.1-22 by sconix
Dec 17 18:31:55 <egaudet> Rick_work: I thought you could run first use after bypassing and create one
Dec 17 18:32:58 <Rick_work> not that I know of egaudet  -- if so, is that entire process documented anywhere, because so far as I know, if you have a development phone, if you bypass, you do NOT have app cat access unless you move a profile from some other phone you have onto it.
Dec 17 18:33:33 <Rick_work> I freely admit that I may be baddly out of date, but I sat with Brian at dinner in San Jose and listened to him be VERY FIRM that he hated the idea of wifi profiles.
Dec 17 18:33:40 <zsoc_web> I bypassed using metadoctor, enabled wifi, ran firstuse, created a profile. All just yesterday. Now I'm second guessing this device might still be on a previous owners account tho
Dec 17 18:46:01 <egaudet> zsoc_web: I thought that's how I did things too, although I dont' frequent the app catalog on my dev devices
Dec 17 18:46:16 <egaudet> rwhitby would know for sure
Dec 17 18:50:00 <PixiP_Nobi> hi there
Dec 17 18:50:12 <PixiP_Nobi> someone with a pixi plus online at the moment?
Dec 17 18:54:44 <PixiP_Nobi> hi there
Dec 17 18:54:46 <PixiP_Nobi> someone with a pixi plus online at the moment?
Dec 17 19:18:52 <ice8lue> Hey@all
Dec 17 19:48:55 <Rick_work> probably not but there are a lot of people who know a LOT about webos, so ask.
Dec 17 19:49:00 <Rick_work> what's the question.
Dec 17 19:51:41 <b3ll> modules compiled against the pre2 kernel won't work on other devices amirite?
Dec 17 19:51:58 <Rick_work> depends.
Dec 17 19:52:16 <Rick_work> some things don't change a lot from kernel to kernel.  Some things do....
Dec 17 19:53:03 <Rick_work> think about any linux distro.  The exact same binary will run on lots of versions, but some binaries require "x or higher."  -- what kind of module you talking about?
Dec 17 19:55:45 <b3ll> musb module
Dec 17 19:55:51 <b3ll> specifically psjailbreak
Dec 17 20:04:29 <destinal-pre> b3ll: I'd try loading the module by hand and see if it works.
Dec 17 20:04:43 <b3ll> it doesn't that's the thing
Dec 17 20:04:51 <b3ll> I need to recompile it
Dec 17 20:05:00 <b3ll> but it doesn't seem like the 2.0.1 patches are cutting it
Dec 17 20:05:53 <b3ll> runs fine on 1.4.5, just need to compile it for 2.0.1
Dec 17 20:08:20 <destinal-pre> ah I think the 2.0 kernel code palm reeleased is just for pre2 but I know people here have modified it to work on the pre as well
Dec 17 20:08:42 <b3ll> oh?
Dec 17 20:10:11 <destinal-pre> there's some omap36xx stuff they ifdef'd.  I'd check our git repositories
Dec 17 20:11:05 <destinal-pre> also grep the logs of this channel or maybe egaudet is around and knows more than I do
Dec 17 20:12:21 <b3ll> where are the logs?
Dec 17 20:12:33 <destinal-pre> see topic
Dec 17 20:15:47 <b3ll> lol missed that :P
Dec 17 21:05:29 <egaudet> 2.0 kernel runs on omap3430 when built for it after a few changes to add some missing ifdefs for 3630 added stuff
Dec 17 21:05:47 <egaudet> and you tend not to want to run modules that weren't built specifically for your kernel
Dec 17 22:22:35 <rwhitby> zsoc: if it was a pre-owned device, you didn't create the device record, you just re-used it for your new profile. so you get app catalog based on the previous owners first activaton
Dec 17 22:23:10 <zsoc> rwhitby: you have tardy but poignant sense-making skills.
Dec 17 22:23:43 <rwhitby> I make more sense when I am awake is all.
Dec 17 22:30:44 <Loudergood> that's unfortunate..I wonder why they paired it to the device and not the profile...
Dec 17 22:42:37 <rwhitby> Loudergood: if you paired it to the profile, then you encourage a black market of replicated profiles
Dec 17 22:43:24 <Rick_work> rwhitby  so,  if I do it with the comm card from my sprint pre- and put it in a pre2, I will have my same profile.  We just have to edit the doctor to lie to sprint about the model number.
Dec 17 22:44:04 <rwhitby> Rick_work: "just".  yes.  although I'd like to replicate those results on a test device and profile first.
Dec 17 22:44:49 <Rick_work> I'm willing to be the guinea pig for that rwhitby  I can always put my pre- back together...
Dec 17 22:45:13 <rwhitby> Rick_work: s'ok, I have Tom's device remotely controllable
Dec 17 22:46:25 <Rick_work> hop fixed the part number on my dev pre order this afternoon finally.
Dec 17 22:58:20 <Jack87-Work> i have run first use after bypassing to create a palm profile on a pre with access to catalog... but the device had been activated once before... although i did this after a clean wipe and use of meta doctor
Dec 17 22:58:41 <Jack87-Work> using WIFI that is
Dec 17 22:58:58 <halfhalo> the wifis!!!!
Dec 17 23:00:57 <Jack87-Work> sorry bit late to the game
Dec 17 23:06:49 <rwhitby> Jack87-Work: device record is only created once, after that it is reused for each new profile on that device
Dec 17 23:07:12 <rwhitby> it's only the first profile creation on the device that matters, later ones are irrelevant
Dec 17 23:07:23 <Jack87-Work> So each device that can gain access to catalog must first be activated using carrier at one point or another
Dec 17 23:07:32 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 17 23:07:43 <rwhitby> access to paid apps that is
Dec 17 23:08:24 <Jack87-Work> I see... Free apps do not require carrier activation wifi works?
Dec 17 23:18:17 <PuffTheMagic> Jack87-Work, no apps require carrier activation
Dec 17 23:18:22 <PuffTheMagic> just a palm profile
Dec 17 23:18:42 <Jack87-Work> roger that
Dec 18 00:06:26 <NuttyBunny> hi :)
Dec 18 00:10:53 <cryptk> hola
Dec 18 00:36:15 <RgaNoris-Mobile> If anyone here is using wirc, can you connect to irc.esper.net? 0.3.5
Dec 18 00:37:20 <ka6sox> Tman ping?
Dec 18 00:38:40 <RgaNoris-Mobile> Okay, accidentally logged out... anyone?
Dec 18 00:47:40 <rick-home> RgaNoris-Mobile  never tried, sorry.
Dec 18 01:04:39 <ajay> hola!
Dec 18 01:05:36 <ajay> Hey yesterday I was asking on how to backup contacts, the 2 suggestions don't work for me (CellBrite and email patch).
Dec 18 01:06:01 <ajay> any other suggestions/ideas?
Dec 18 01:07:09 <ajay> (It's probably not working because my phone is a bit borked, if any are curious..) I just let the Updates app 'Update' my VzPre1.4.5 to.. VzPre1.4.5. All is still the same. (Surprising, i'm sure there's just an app not being launched somewhere, but sigh,yes, let's doctor and make an ext3 partition)
Dec 18 01:19:14 <ajay> alright a diff q then -- how do I backup my list of patches?
Dec 18 01:19:56 <ajay> (other than 'saved packages list' in preware)
Dec 18 01:32:51 * rwhitby recommends saved packages list in preware, then save/restore
Dec 18 01:42:08 * ajay is about to doctor.. eek! always so nervous, dunno why.. ;^)
Dec 18 01:43:26 <ajay> rwhitby: Yeah did both of those for sure.. hopefully will be able to access them plaintext too
Dec 18 01:44:42 <Tman> ka6sox: pong
Dec 18 01:45:12 <rwhitby> ajay: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed
Dec 18 01:45:20 <ka6sox> heya guy...I recently had to doctor my pre...and rta is now AWOL....
Dec 18 01:45:37 <ka6sox> I *use* it daily
Dec 18 01:45:50 <Tman> well it wasn't working on 1.4.5 until, ah, two nights ago :)
Dec 18 01:46:05 <Tman> look for 0.3.2 on the tester site
Dec 18 01:46:16 <ka6sox> good...now we need to make it work on 2.0.
Dec 18 01:46:17 <ka6sox> :D
Dec 18 01:46:29 <Tman> ehe :)
Dec 18 01:46:47 <Tman> I'm not sure I want to doctor my only pre though :/
Dec 18 01:47:07 <ka6sox> Tman, don't blame ya
Dec 18 01:47:38 <Tman> I suppose I could order a pre 2.. how much are they for devs again?
Dec 18 01:50:09 <Tman> actually I could probably just get someone to test it for me, way cheaper :P
Dec 18 02:09:10 <ajay> rwhitby: yeah you mentioned that yesterday, but it doesn't list patches (unless I mislooked?)
Dec 18 02:10:02 <rwhitby> sure it does
Dec 18 02:10:14 <rwhitby> a patch is a package just like any other
Dec 18 02:10:21 <ajay> Tman: $250 iirc? I don't know if there's s/h or tax in that price tho.. yeah cheaper to get someone to test for ya for sure.. :) You're not EAP then I take it?
Dec 18 02:11:05 <Tman> I am in EAP.. are you referring to the ones they were giving away? I kinda missed the deadline on that
Dec 18 02:11:43 <ajay> rwhitby: oops. I saved some list before doctoring, I hope I saved that one somewhere then!
Dec 18 02:13:13 <ajay> Tman: Oh I meant if you were in the early access prog then you should be able to test your app through that access
Dec 18 02:14:05 <Tman> ajay: yeah but it uses mic access which won't run in the emulator and I don't really want to doctor my only pre right now.
Dec 18 02:14:51 <ajay> Tman: ahh! I didn't know what app you were talking about.. :)
Dec 18 02:15:18 <ajay> Has Palm announced any new camera/mic APIs for 2.0? I hadn't heard..
Dec 18 02:15:36 * ajay is noticing his doctor has been at 50% for several minutes.. *nervous*
Dec 18 02:16:04 <Tman> no
Dec 18 02:16:09 <rwhitby> ajay: why aren't you watching the log ?
Dec 18 02:16:24 * rwhitby can't believe that people actually run the doctor without watching it's log file
Dec 18 02:17:18 * oil usually double clicks :)
Dec 18 02:17:28 * oil expects it to "just work"
Dec 18 02:18:42 <ajay> rwhitby: oh the cmd-line reports 95% good. :)
Dec 18 02:19:37 <ajay> oh wait that 95% note was 28 mins ago
Dec 18 02:19:51 <rwhitby> yeah, that's not good
Dec 18 02:19:54 <oil> lol
Dec 18 02:20:27 * ajay doh
Dec 18 02:21:16 <ajay> I just metadoctored my ATT dev pre+ yesterday and it worked fine, but this is my personal phone.. :(
Dec 18 02:23:12 <ajay> rwhitby: The log doesn't seem highly informative to me?
Dec 18 02:25:10 <rwhitby> ajay: java -jar <file> output is highly informative
Dec 18 02:26:03 <ajay> i can novaterm into the device, that's good (maybe?) i have a feeling there aren't good resources online for this, but lesse..
Dec 18 02:26:11 <ajay> rwhitby: INFO: Trenchcoat: Waiting.... doesn't really tell me much.. ;^)
Dec 18 02:26:28 <Tman> oil: see pm :)
Dec 18 02:29:26 <ajay> so is 40 minutes of nonactivity enough to cancel the doctoring? recommendations on how to cancel, 'reboot' from novaterm? not finding much info on this online..
Dec 18 02:31:56 <rwhitby> ajay: 'tellbootie recover' from novaterm
Dec 18 02:32:48 <ajay> and then rerun dr? i've got a usb logo on the screen
Dec 18 02:32:52 <rwhitby> yep
Dec 18 02:33:48 <ajay> Oh I did try replacing BootLogo.tga in this metadoctor img, I wonder if that could be related
Dec 18 02:34:32 <rwhitby> heh
Dec 18 02:35:06 <rwhitby> "oh, I just pushed the detonate button, I wonder if that could be related"
Dec 18 02:35:42 <ajay> oh come now!
Dec 18 02:36:55 <Tman> hahah
Dec 18 02:37:13 <ajay> that is _NOT_ the same
Dec 18 02:37:59 <ajay> damn that phone do love rebooting now.. luna -- where, where are you now??
Dec 18 02:38:29 <ajay> it could just be my USB cable.. I don't remember which I used last night
Dec 18 02:38:35 <rwhitby> right, there's no way replacing BootLogo.tga could have any negative affect on the doctoring process where trenchcoat is waiting for something ...
Dec 18 02:38:39 <ajay> oh actually this pre's usb cable is borked
Dec 18 02:38:47 <ajay> oh good
Dec 18 02:38:54 <ajay> i mean, not usb cable, usb port
Dec 18 02:39:04 <rwhitby> no way at all.  couldn't possibly be related.  never.
Dec 18 02:40:18 <ajay> doctor doesn't want to recognize it.. hmm.. think i'll have to try recovery mode. shouldn't have powered off, oops
Dec 18 02:43:04 <ajay> i do like the price point of the Best Buy $5 hard cases, but damn are they a pain to remove..
Dec 18 02:49:39 <ajay> rwhitby: riight
Dec 18 02:49:56 <ajay> remetadoctoring now
Dec 18 02:50:36 <SineOt> ooh, 5$ hard cases?
Dec 18 02:52:46 <ajay> SineOt: right?  The front half breaks for me without a huge amount of difficulty is the major complaint. (but then I just go and exchange it long as its been < 30 days) They also make the phone more bulky of course..
Dec 18 02:59:38 <ajay> hmm, 100% complete is != 100% complete, turns out
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