**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 18 03:00:01 2010 Dec 18 03:00:34 yeah, lots happens after trenchcoat gets 100% of it's data Dec 18 03:03:27 I guess i'll have to checkout the other method of replacing BootLogo then.. Dec 18 03:23:00 are there any reasons not to install apps as system apps (e.g. with ipkg from the cmd line) other than the space requirement Dec 18 03:25:18 oh no ubuntu doesn't put that cool palm pre icon next to my phone anymore after doctoring :( Dec 18 03:45:04 * SineOt can't figure out how to get back to Ubuntu after... Meego took over the boot loader Dec 18 03:49:33 any other verizon folks out there? Dec 18 03:50:23 aye Dec 18 03:50:45 fucking gps eh? Dec 18 03:52:32 haha Dec 18 03:52:52 you may get the pre+, but i get reliable gps on my pre- :) Dec 18 03:53:04 ppht. gps is for.. losers Dec 18 03:53:22 * ajay says get it? haha Dec 18 03:57:01 * ajay wonders.. what if there was an EAP-only chatroom? Dec 18 03:57:29 difficult to implement though Dec 18 03:57:38 it'd be slightly tricky Dec 18 03:58:37 not too bad I don't think, depending Dec 18 03:58:57 IRCd supports +k aka key mode, toss on +s and it won't show up on /whois or /list unless you're already in the room... Dec 18 03:59:53 The biggest hurdle would be the fact that it'd be here on Freenode Dec 18 03:59:55 would be nice actually Dec 18 04:00:17 SineOt: why is that a hurdle? Dec 18 04:00:41 harder for palm/hp to control Dec 18 04:00:48 because IRCops would be able to read content without being subject to the NDA Dec 18 04:01:00 simply because they y'know, run it :] Dec 18 04:01:13 Why Palm/HP hasn't set up their own IRC server, I dunno~ Dec 18 04:01:21 it's not that difficult Dec 18 04:02:07 sounds like a lot of work when freenode is already there Dec 18 04:03:27 SineOt: who are these IRCops, and can we speak to them? Dec 18 04:03:28 yeah, but when freenode is already there and leaves one last hurdle for NDA compliance Dec 18 04:05:03 Dunno, you'd need to contact freenode Dec 18 04:05:10 Well, and Palm Dec 18 04:07:28 they could probably setup a #webos-ea if they wanted and have an access control list of who can join .. that would probably be good enough for them Dec 18 04:08:48 well, that'd be what +k would be. You'd have to do /join #channel passwordkey or it wouldn't let you join. Dec 18 04:09:05 +s would keep it secret so that it wouldn't show up in /whois or /list for channels, unless you're already in the channel Dec 18 04:09:17 * halfhalo yawns Dec 18 04:09:20 irc is fancy Dec 18 04:09:34 oo nice Dec 18 04:09:35 * oil pretends he is going to stick his finger in halfhalos mouth to cut his yawn short! Dec 18 04:09:38 yeah it is, I always laugh when people try to replace it Dec 18 04:09:43 muahaha Dec 18 04:09:59 the only thing on the internet more resiliant than irc is email Dec 18 04:10:02 Distribute the passwordkey to somewhere only EAP people can get it, then there you go Dec 18 04:10:04 * halfhalo ignores oil since he wold bite his finger off if he tried Dec 18 04:10:10 haha Dec 18 04:10:36 SineOt: sounds easy enough! Dec 18 04:11:17 thats what she said Dec 18 04:13:58 damn that preware autoload on metadr is sweet! (now only if preware would load after save+restore) Dec 18 04:15:04 * oil always uses that option Dec 18 04:15:38 autoload when? Dec 18 04:15:47 oh hey... im broke Dec 18 04:16:04 it puts it in the doctor Dec 18 04:16:25 ah right Dec 18 04:37:40 oil: actually, it just puts a download entry in the queue, preware doesn't actually get embedded in the doctor Dec 18 04:38:34 ah, close enough :) Dec 18 04:51:09 * ajay wonders whether his app prob (PDK-related) is fixed in 2.0.. Dec 18 04:52:19 I did a Save/Restore of my preware data, now preware says "Complete!" Dec 18 04:53:05 and by says, I mean, it's been on that screen for 10 minutes Dec 18 04:53:20 It must be really, really compete Dec 18 04:53:43 * SineOt is bashing his head in with this stupid stupid UDP listener! Dec 18 04:54:47 sigh.. Dec 18 05:01:29 hrm Dec 18 05:01:45 SineOt: A club might be more effective Dec 18 05:01:52 or bat of some sort Dec 18 05:03:07 so.. how do I reset preware, just delete its dbs? Dec 18 05:04:16 hmm.. I wonder if the SlingBox flash client would work on the phone.. Dec 18 05:21:07 preware stores things in a number of places Dec 18 05:21:32 cookie for settings Dec 18 05:21:36 and text files in a folder for feeds Dec 18 05:21:47 and there is a status file which holds a list of whats installed Dec 18 05:21:48 looks like it's not in the usb partition Dec 18 05:21:55 none of it is Dec 18 05:24:01 is there a way i can clear it but bring in my saved packages list? Dec 18 05:34:31 ffs Meego :B Dec 18 05:36:12 ajay: what are you wanting to clear? Dec 18 05:51:41 oil: Anything that will allow me to start Preware. It's stuck on "Complete!" Dec 18 05:54:09 * SineOt wants to punch EVERYTTHINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGgggggggggggg. Dec 18 05:54:27 Shitty documentation is the worst thing. Dec 18 05:54:44 * SineOt stabs Boxee in the face. Dec 18 06:01:23 ajay, anything in the logs? Dec 18 06:01:37 if you're not on 1.5.0, you should just palm-install it Dec 18 06:03:56 ffffudp :B Dec 18 06:06:54 Boxee: we give you a spot to say what the name of your application is, but we only support one value for it! :V Dec 18 06:15:40 I have 1.5.0 installed.. will look for logs, my comp has gotten dog slow, gah! Dec 18 06:16:18 oil: is there a specific preware log file? Dec 18 06:17:25 hi Dec 18 06:17:33 ajay: use lumberjack Dec 18 06:17:44 run lumberjack and follow the log then start preware Dec 18 06:34:55 oil: oh but I like to install lumberjack via preware! gah this'll be fun times.. ;^) Dec 18 06:35:18 or orange+tap remove it Dec 18 06:35:23 and reinstall preware Dec 18 06:36:02 ok that sounds easier. but i guess if i debug it that can help you guys? Dec 18 06:43:43 It stopped working after I did a save+Restore restore from my prior preware ver Dec 18 06:45:13 oh Dec 18 06:45:17 its probably something with save restore Dec 18 06:45:21 and that is in a database Dec 18 06:45:31 (i didn't write that part, which is why i didn't remember it before) Dec 18 06:45:57 databases from previous versions have a problem which the new version can't parse Dec 18 06:51:41 Is there a way i can at least keep my 'saved packages list'? Dec 18 06:54:44 no, you should delete it Dec 18 06:59:28 oh root pw, so no recommendation, ignore that Dec 18 07:00:42 oil: reinstall worked! good call Dec 18 07:07:28 ohh man maybe firefox does still leak a lot of memory, eek! Dec 18 07:49:17 hmm, what is this 'secure shell' app? curious.. Dec 18 07:49:37 doctoring pre- to att, suggestions? Dec 18 07:52:51 pre- to att? yo crazy! ;^) Dec 18 08:41:07 dtzWill: just wanted to checkin re X.. Dec 18 08:55:59 * ajay says damn you verizon i'm not roaming! Dec 18 08:57:02 ipkg-opt is part of preware, right? Dec 18 08:57:08 just wondering why some pkgs (e.g. vim) are not mentioned there Dec 18 09:05:04 hi all Dec 18 09:09:01 hey nutty.. oh I was going to quote what you said to me in a blog post re saving contacts/etc i didn't think to ask you or rwhitby for permission first tho? (didn't publish) Dec 18 09:44:20 omg unison, wget-ssl, etc! oh my! ipkg-opt <3 Dec 18 09:44:48 i wonder how tor works tho.. seems like the browser'd need to be setup in proxy mode for that Dec 18 09:47:32 oh my /opt is only 62 mb, ocaml is more than half that! Dec 18 09:50:44 next metadoctor i'll have to instead increase /var instead of making an ext3 partition. :( Dec 18 09:52:05 I don't see /opt in fstab, so it's some LVM-y-business? Don't really know anything about LVM :( Dec 18 09:58:50 check /mount Dec 18 09:58:55 er mount Dec 18 09:59:14 that just confirms its some LVM-y-fun Dec 18 09:59:38 "for applications that have not been repackaged for preware" I see mentioned online.. damn, unison is DEFINITELY worthy of bein in preware! Dec 18 10:00:51 i wonder.. no palm wouldn't allow an app in the app catalog that didn't display anything to the user graphically (i imagine) Dec 18 10:14:03 Hi! Can messaging data be restored after a Doctor (data is saved thanks to Save/Restore 1.2.6)? TIA! Dec 18 10:17:46 hola Dec 18 10:19:08 Hoola! Dec 18 10:19:41 seems so quiet Dec 18 10:19:50 then again it is the middle of the night... in the states Dec 18 10:22:07 Shame -I won't get my question answered- ;) Dec 18 10:22:22 qhr a toue quini uestion Dec 18 10:22:39 oh i just noticed it.. Dec 18 10:22:47 sorry i dont use save/restore cant answer Dec 18 10:23:07 that was weird Dec 18 10:23:53 i just spelled your name as typo..... my fingers were in wrong spots of the keyboard. i am a bit drunk to but i spelled out your username without meaning to so odd! Dec 18 10:26:50 You don't make backups of the data on your Pre? Dec 18 10:27:10 No problem about spelling my nick ;) Dec 18 10:30:21 not really.. havent had the need to Dec 18 10:32:12 Have you overclocked it? Dec 18 10:32:33 yes sir Dec 18 10:39:24 I've been using unixpsycho's new governor -vdemand- ... but the screen showed false keypresses... Dec 18 10:39:45 My pre probably doesn't like that fixed 1GHz speed 8-? Dec 18 11:03:16 quini: I thought it said no? (for save+restore) Dec 18 11:05:34 dtzWill: is the x11 lib in ipkg-opt separate from your stuff or the same? Dec 18 11:53:43 * ajay was hopin Vz would be chompin to get its Pre2 out there due to skype.. sigh! Dec 18 12:15:11 ok about that time.. Dec 18 13:47:16 is someone working with c++ on the pre? Dec 18 15:45:17 * phil_bw wanders by Dec 18 15:50:16 heyho! Dec 18 16:20:27 * NuttyBunny wakes up Dec 18 17:13:20 hi Dec 18 17:46:40 ~~~~ Dec 18 17:46:40 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal!!! Dec 18 18:43:06 So what is the standard way of getting into root terminal or SSH for 2.0? Dec 18 18:46:11 Abyssul: if you have a PC connected, novaterm. or install openssh via preware and ssh in Dec 18 18:52:36 Openssh doesnt appear in Preware Dec 18 18:52:44 thats why I asked Dec 18 18:53:03 I dont mind using a wire though Dec 18 18:54:28 hi Dec 18 18:55:07 Having issues with the latest meta-doctor. After builing my doctor, Im getting an error such as "Installer.xml cannot be parsed" Dec 18 18:55:11 any ideas Dec 18 19:12:56 Preware reports 4 exceptions when parsing packages: palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [infoLoad#parse (de.ailis.minimap): Dec 18 19:13:17 the report is in the log file Dec 18 19:13:34 /var/log/messages Dec 18 19:27:22 So, this is a new one on me. Dec 18 19:27:59 I go to plug in my Pre to my computer, but instead of getting the usual Media Drive, USB, Just charge options, the alarm volume pops up. Dec 18 19:28:14 And that's that, nothing else will pop up after that. Dec 18 19:28:22 I unplug it, and its still there. Dec 18 19:28:40 I try to restart the Pre, but it won't work. Dec 18 19:28:48 So I end up having to do a battery pull. Dec 18 19:29:06 Anyone else ever have this? Dec 18 19:30:40 restart your PC Dec 18 19:31:07 I have it from time to time, the USB driver got a hit Dec 18 20:34:23 Meta-doctor seems to create an error in every build i try. Issues with Installer.xml Dec 18 20:44:12 java.io.IOException: Installer.xml cannot be parsed! There may be a problem with the base ROM and or Customization package you have chosen.Content is not allowed in prolog. Dec 18 20:45:00 I just want to take a moment to laugh at precentral and engadget a bit Dec 18 20:45:06 ok, I'm done Dec 18 21:03:26 what on earth is a "teen phone"? Dec 18 21:07:23 kin 3.0? Dec 18 21:12:49 * geist laughs at chrisa Dec 18 21:14:56 is gpatch really needed over patch on os x to use meta-doctor? Dec 18 21:31:21 lol at geist and chrisa... Dec 18 21:31:51 hah Dec 18 21:32:54 chrisa: the "teen phone" thing? some days I wonder where they get their information Dec 18 21:33:09 can anyone build be a sprint 1.4.5 rom that sets the device id to P100EWW. For some reason meta-doctor is not making correct build for me anymore Dec 18 21:33:25 i just hope the 'teen phone' is not underpowered. Dec 18 21:33:27 heh Dec 18 21:33:29 supposedly named "castle"? does p|c not realize castle = pre? Dec 18 22:18:33 yeah, it's not gonna be castle Dec 18 22:19:22 /me votes condo for the tween phone Dec 18 22:19:56 MetaView: yeah, some packages have descriptions which cause json parsing errors. Dec 18 22:45:55 well, i had to build the doctor in windows in my virtual machine to get it to work. Dec 18 22:46:08 strange.. there is something odd in my environment in os x Dec 19 00:24:25 * Zen00 falls down, but gets up again. Dec 19 00:24:49 By the way, is the Warthog kernel Doctor safe? Dec 19 00:24:56 I'm going to do a clean install. Dec 19 02:59:53 is there anything about this test plugin that could possibly be causing webOS/Luna to crash? http://webos.pastebin.com/Dne1Zicf **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 19 02:59:57 2010