**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 21 02:59:58 2010
Dec 21 04:07:36 <SineOt> People with Pre2s: any idea if Prototype got updated?
Dec 21 05:11:44 <destinal> ah, interestingly, if you care to preserve permissions on your extracted doctor images, you really should run meta-doctor/scripts/unpack-doctor as root (ie sudo)
Dec 21 05:12:18 <destinal> well if you want to preserve ownership especially
Dec 21 05:21:36 <quotemstr> Goddammit.
Dec 21 05:21:46 <quotemstr> The front speaker on my Pre just quit working.
Dec 21 05:21:51 <quotemstr> God, I hate these goddamn phones.
Dec 21 05:26:42 <destinal> quotemstr: sometimes it thinks headphones are plugged in when they're not, try plugging in headphones and unplugging them  (I had to do it a few times)
Dec 21 05:27:10 <quotemstr> Thanks, I'll give that a shot after my phone finishes cold booting.
Dec 21 05:27:22 <quotemstr> Hopefully the next WebOS phones will have better build quality.
Dec 21 05:29:53 <quotemstr> Nothing.
Dec 21 05:35:37 <destinal> quotemstr: I've never heard of one spontaneously failing so I tend to suspect that headphone jack or a software thing.  if you have pandora, try loading it
Dec 21 05:36:46 <quotemstr> Speakerphone and the headphone jack all work fine.
Dec 21 05:37:00 <quotemstr> And if I plug and unplug, audio output switches accordingly.
Dec 21 05:37:04 <quotemstr> It's just the phone speaker that's dead.
Dec 21 05:39:08 <quotemstr> Oh, it works fine now --- but only after I tested with the video application of all things.
Dec 21 05:39:11 <quotemstr> Thanks for your help.
Dec 21 05:39:33 <quotemstr> FWIW, work is offering to buy us all free WP7 devices, and I'm sticking with the Pre. :)
Dec 21 05:39:59 <SineOt> you know what I'd do?
Dec 21 05:40:07 <SineOt> I'd get a free WP7 device anyways
Dec 21 05:40:09 <quotemstr> Get the phone and sell it?
Dec 21 05:40:11 <SineOt> and just use it on Wifi
Dec 21 05:40:32 <quotemstr> SineOt: There's some kind of contract requirement, IIRC.
Dec 21 05:40:58 <SineOt> Ah, boo
Dec 21 05:56:55 <abegee> I'm alone :(
Dec 21 06:29:44 * scoutcamper pokes halfhalo and says start a controversial discussion
Dec 21 07:03:07 <Davide-NYC> (off topic) Lunar Eclipse going on right now! You all should take a look if you can.
Dec 21 07:11:03 * rwhitby looks outside and sees the sun
Dec 21 07:20:42 <destinal> rwhitby: that whole opposite hemisphere thing..
Dec 21 07:20:56 <destinal> unfortunately you miss it
Dec 21 08:07:00 <abegee> great eclipse viewing here in NY, anyone else watching?
Dec 21 08:11:36 <oil> overcast here :(
Dec 21 08:12:50 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 21 11:15:50 <GarthPS> hello guys
Dec 21 11:16:09 <GarthPS> which /dev/... is normally mounted as boot ?
Dec 21 12:03:29 <rwhitby> GarthPS: check meta-doctor Makefile
Dec 21 12:03:49 <GarthPS> rwhitby: thx I founded my way already
Dec 21 12:29:11 <Manuel___> Hello all
Dec 21 12:29:39 <Manuel___> i'm new user of wonderfoul PRE 2
Dec 21 14:07:37 <ice8lue> egaudet are u online?
Dec 21 14:11:44 <pa7fa> Rod?
Dec 21 14:11:56 <rwhitby> pa7fa: did another window just pop up, let's talk there.
Dec 21 14:12:24 <pa7fa> Nope
Dec 21 14:12:25 <rwhitby> pa7fa: or a new tab on the same window?
Dec 21 14:12:42 <rwhitby> pa7fa: type "/msg rwhitby ping" and it should bring up another tab
Dec 21 14:13:01 <pa7fa> Sorry, i am new to this
Dec 21 14:13:24 <rwhitby> did it open a new tab?
Dec 21 14:39:17 <rwhitby> is there anyone here who knows novacom and windows ?
Dec 21 14:48:29 <ice8lue> sure, rwhitby
Dec 21 14:48:43 <ice8lue> what's the problem?
Dec 21 14:49:02 <rwhitby> it's ok, we got it sorted.  had to restart the novacomd service
Dec 21 14:49:23 <ice8lue> ah okay
Dec 21 14:49:48 <rwhitby> ice8lue: are you able to stream stuff out of novacom run .... and store it in a file on windows?
Dec 21 14:50:39 <rwhitby> e.g.:  "novacom run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - . > foo.tar" ?
Dec 21 14:52:13 <ice8lue> mh ya that should work
Dec 21 14:52:18 <ice8lue> what do you need?
Dec 21 15:27:09 <ice8lue> rwhitby: is there a wikipage/etc. which describes the different governors and how they work?
Dec 21 15:27:35 <rwhitby> ice8lue: there is help in Govnah - hit the blue question mark
Dec 21 15:28:05 <ice8lue> okay thx =)
Dec 21 15:55:16 <ice8lue> rwhitby? what's that testing firmware u are he's talking about on twitter?
Dec 21 15:56:01 <rwhitby> ice8lue: that's the big question.  I should know tomorrow sometime.
Dec 21 15:56:45 <ice8lue> is it possible to dump the firmware to something useful?
Dec 21 15:57:28 <rwhitby> that's what the command I was playing with earlier does.  it happens to be the "backup" target in meta-doctor
Dec 21 15:57:52 <ice8lue> ^^
Dec 21 16:00:57 <ice8lue> i think i shouöd start to play arround with linux... ;)
Dec 21 16:01:31 <ice8lue> ...and learn to tip the keys i intended to tip
Dec 21 16:23:44 * halfhalo yawns
Dec 21 16:30:20 <GarthPS> rwhitby: what /boot/uImage point normally for the pre 2? if you know that
Dec 21 16:30:32 <GarthPS> s/point/points
Dec 21 16:35:57 <sharkie> hi guys
Dec 21 16:36:19 <sharkie> I have a US Palm Pre, i want to be able to get EU bands
Dec 21 16:36:34 <sharkie> if I get a Palm Pre-, activate it in the US
Dec 21 16:36:46 <sharkie> (thats European)
Dec 21 16:37:04 <sharkie> then put it in my Palm Pre 2
Dec 21 16:37:16 <sharkie> will that work?
Dec 21 16:37:16 <debilater> hi, someone with knownledge of git/build-system here? I updated tiddlywiki, tagged it with git as everytime but the generated version contains the old files
Dec 21 16:37:30 <sharkie> anyone know?
Dec 21 16:48:56 <sharkie> hellooo
Dec 21 16:49:16 <Rick_work> sharkie -- it's unlikey.
Dec 21 16:49:30 <sharkie> unlikely that it will work?
Dec 21 16:52:55 <sharkie> rick?
Dec 21 17:05:03 <sharkie> guys i realise this isnt a help channel but someone must know something on the issue
Dec 21 17:21:01 <Rick_work> sharkie  it's not that, it's the middle of the work day here....
Dec 21 17:21:37 <sharkie> fair enough
Dec 21 17:22:03 <Rick_work> sharkie, the ONLY way to accomploish your goal is to have somoene IN THE US on an authorized carrier set up a profile for you, then log into that profile from your european phone.
Dec 21 17:23:07 <sharkie> sure i understand that.. but if i got an EU Palm Pre- and activated it in the US, shipped it here and inserted the comm board into my US Palm Pre 2, would I have any issues?
Dec 21 17:25:01 <sharkie> ie with over the air updates
Dec 21 17:25:04 <sharkie> things like that
Dec 21 18:13:30 <morphis> heyho
Dec 21 18:13:32 <morphis> Rick_work: ping
Dec 21 18:15:00 <Rick_work> morphis  pong
Dec 21 18:15:31 <morphis> Rick_work: do you already send me your broken pre or no time for that?
Dec 21 20:59:47 <lisa420> i need help installing preware to my pixi please
Dec 21 21:05:20 <oil> lisa420: http://install.preware.org
Dec 21 21:09:27 <summatusmentis> I really should find a development device to use in addition to my current pre
Dec 21 22:49:23 <muesli> will there be a 2.0 image for old pres based on the leaked sprint image? i almost assume it'd be illegal to release "officially" tho?
Dec 21 22:50:57 * SineOt shakes magic 8 ball... "Yes, when Palm actually releases it. Until then, no!"
Dec 21 22:51:57 <muesli> well, since it's leaked it's almost certain that someone's working on it. if that's legal is a different matter. just wondered if it were legally ok to use this image
Dec 21 22:55:51 <rwhitby> if you got the image directly from Palm or one of it's carrier partners, it would be a legal distribution of those files to you.  If you got it from anywhere else, it would be an illegal distribution.  It's quite a simple rule :)
Dec 21 22:57:07 <Davide-NYC> I would suggest patience. There are all manner of webos doctor around these days. It's just a matter of time (days probably) before there is something official released
Dec 21 23:00:46 <SineOt> Davide-NYC: Probably not days. HP is on holidays from the end of this week until after the 1st.
Dec 21 23:01:15 <Davide-NYC> (sadness)
Dec 21 23:04:55 <destinal> muesli: has a doctor been leaked or just pictures?  I thought the latter
Dec 21 23:05:31 <SineOt> I think just pictures
Dec 21 23:06:32 <Loudergood> yeah just screenshots
Dec 22 00:32:15 <sharkie> guys can i confirm with you all that if you put a pre- comm board into a pre 2, will everything work ok? (including OTA updates)
Dec 22 00:32:40 <rwhitby> sharkie: I believe so, but have not tested it personally.
Dec 22 00:33:05 <sharkie> do you know anyone who has
Dec 22 00:33:08 <scoutcamper> sharkie, hardware should, but there is no software for it surrently, so you are taking a chance
Dec 22 00:33:23 <scoutcamper> s/surrently/currently/
Dec 22 00:33:23 <infobot> scoutcamper meant: sharkie, hardware should, but there is no software for it currently, so you are taking a chance
Dec 22 00:33:28 <rwhitby> sharkie: are you talking about a CDMA Pre- board or a GSM Pre- board?
Dec 22 00:33:33 <rwhitby> sharkie: and what carrier?
Dec 22 00:33:42 <sharkie> nq
Dec 22 00:33:48 <sharkie> na
Dec 22 00:33:57 <sharkie> jjust a us pre 2
Dec 22 00:34:04 <sharkie> with a eu pre- comm board
Dec 22 00:34:27 <rwhitby> what carrier was the eu pre- comms board locked to?
Dec 22 00:34:38 <sharkie> no carrier
Dec 22 00:34:41 <sharkie> would use the german one
Dec 22 00:35:00 <rwhitby> ok, that should work fine.
Dec 22 00:35:16 <sharkie> ;so basically im in Australia
Dec 22 00:35:33 <halfhalo> dundundun
Dec 22 00:35:33 <sharkie> i sort of assumed that palm pre 2 will work fine here
Dec 22 00:35:35 <rwhitby> sharkie: so am I
Dec 22 00:35:43 <sharkie> (the US one)
Dec 22 00:35:44 <rwhitby> and it does.
Dec 22 00:35:50 <sharkie> well no 3G
Dec 22 00:35:57 <sharkie> if you have the US model
Dec 22 00:36:14 <rwhitby> right, the UK one does on most carriers, the US one works on Telstra Next G.
Dec 22 00:36:33 <sharkie> also works on vodafone
Dec 22 00:36:40 <rwhitby> (the US one works on vodadfone in the CBD)
Dec 22 00:36:59 <rwhitby> not in the 'burbs
Dec 22 00:37:12 <sharkie> well havent tried
Dec 22 00:37:15 <sharkie> im with optus
Dec 22 00:37:39 <rwhitby> sharkie: you know about the different bands, right?
Dec 22 00:37:43 <sharkie> thus would like the 2100 band and seeing as pre- are pretty cheap these days
Dec 22 00:37:45 <sharkie> yup
Dec 22 00:37:51 <sharkie> optus does 2100 band
Dec 22 00:37:53 <sharkie> telstra does 850
Dec 22 00:38:09 <sharkie> vodafone does 850/2100
Dec 22 00:38:21 <sharkie> and the US pre2 supports 850/1900
Dec 22 00:38:33 * halfhalo saw a forum post a while ago that said cdma was its own band and the op refused to listen to reason
Dec 22 00:38:41 <rwhitby> sharkie: depends what city you're in.
Dec 22 00:39:03 <rwhitby> and how far from the CBD you are
Dec 22 00:39:03 <sharkie> yea not sure
Dec 22 00:39:18 <sharkie> but 2100 is a standard worldwide
Dec 22 00:39:28 <rwhitby> I am.  I have one of each of the US and UK models and have tested it personally.
Dec 22 00:39:40 <halfhalo> except in america! because thats how we roll
Dec 22 00:40:35 <sharkie> so i either sell my US palm pre 2
Dec 22 00:40:38 <sharkie> lose about $200 - $300
Dec 22 00:40:51 <sharkie> and a phone
Dec 22 00:41:04 <sharkie> or get a EU pre- shipped to US
Dec 22 00:41:13 <sharkie> get it activated here
Dec 22 00:41:16 <sharkie> there*
Dec 22 00:41:30 <sharkie> and then put the comm board into my palm pre 2
Dec 22 00:41:47 * halfhalo votes that plan since there really is nothing to lose
Dec 22 00:42:13 <sharkie> yea
Dec 22 00:42:21 <sharkie> also pre-'s are dirt cheap now
Dec 22 01:25:24 <Davide-NYC>  why can't they get penta-band 3G in a single SKU?
Dec 22 01:26:05 <Loudergood> does someone have that in a single chip yet?
Dec 22 01:26:26 <Loudergood> because I bet that's why
Dec 22 01:35:20 <rwhitby> they can, it just costs more.
Dec 22 01:36:42 <bpadalino> good luck selling it to wireless carriers
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