**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 22 02:59:57 2010
Dec 22 05:25:52 <Jack87> hi
Dec 22 05:27:20 <nebula> hi
Dec 22 05:42:37 <Jack87> rwhitby: are you around?
Dec 22 05:45:50 <Jack87> anyone within WebOS Internals available? i just gain access to EAP and have one super simple question needing answered privately : Ping: oil dtzWill rwhitby egaudet dBsooner cryptk|offline ka6sox-away uNiXpSyChO
Dec 22 05:46:22 <rwhitby> Jack87: yes
Dec 22 05:53:01 <dtzWill> Jack87: EA stuff should not be discussed here, jic that wasn't clear.
Dec 22 05:53:16 <dtzWill> (just nipping that in the bud)
Dec 22 05:53:23 <dtzWill> but you can PM one of us if you haven't already :)
Dec 22 05:53:35 <Jack87> its webos internals related more then EA but need to talk to another EA person :)
Dec 22 05:53:41 <Jack87> not to break NDA
Dec 22 06:28:03 <KGF2009> Doubt I'll get much more help just by switching rooms, but it's worth a shot. My phone has developer mode activated, has worked in the past, and now is not recognized as a palm device for SDK commands like palm-install. I have tried doctoring it and two different operating systems on the PC. The thing is, it'll connect fine as a USB drive, just not for developer mode.
Dec 22 06:31:06 <cdm> KGF2009: You need to check to see how many end points are presented on the USB bus by the device.
Dec 22 06:31:14 <cdm> lsusb or the Mac USBProber will show it
Dec 22 06:32:51 <KGF2009> cdm, how can one get lusb on Windows?
Dec 22 06:35:34 <KGF2009> ..Wait, I read incorrectly.
Dec 22 06:35:44 <cdm> KGF2009: no idea.
Dec 22 06:35:49 <cdm> phb: hey johan
Dec 22 06:38:28 <KGF2009> Wierd thing is, when I SSH localhost:10022, instead of saying 'Connection refused' like I'd expect, it says 'Server unexpectedly closed connection'.
Dec 22 06:39:43 <scoutcamper> ok, i have a question, im writing an app for windows, it has heavy reliance on serial port and gui, what program should i use to make it?
Dec 22 06:40:32 <destinal-work> KGF2009: uh, what's with the ssh localhost 10022?
Dec 22 06:40:38 <destinal-work> never seen that one
Dec 22 06:40:49 <KGF2009> It's novaterm, basically.
Dec 22 06:40:58 <KGF2009> Or should be.
Dec 22 06:41:20 <KGF2009> It's the Windows equivalent.
Dec 22 06:41:46 <destinal-work> KGF2009: uh.. there's a windows novaterm
Dec 22 06:41:56 <KGF2009> Where?
Dec 22 06:42:11 <scoutcamper> in palm-sdk
Dec 22 06:42:19 <destinal-work> KGF2009: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm
Dec 22 06:42:27 <destinal-work> a zip linked there
Dec 22 06:42:37 <destinal-work> KGF2009: you can also  novacom open tty://
Dec 22 06:43:25 <destinal-work> KGF2009: are you sure about ssh to 10022?  where did you get documentation on this?
Dec 22 06:44:43 <destinal-work> KGF2009: ah this is from palm's docs?  don't you have to actually install ssh on the device first?
Dec 22 06:44:52 <KGF2009> Nope.
Dec 22 06:46:37 <rwhitby> you have to have usb working for that to work
Dec 22 06:46:59 <rwhitby> and it only works on the emulator by default, unless you install ssh on the device
Dec 22 06:47:09 <rwhitby> (it does tcprelay over novacom)
Dec 22 06:47:49 <KGF2009> Odd; because I could've sworn I had PuTTY working with my device before I installed OpenSSH.
Dec 22 06:51:19 <KGF2009> 'failed to connect to novacomd' every time.
Dec 22 06:52:26 <destinal-work> KGF2009:  if you're having USB problems you generally want to stop the novacom service and restart it, re-plugin the device,  then run novacom to see what answers
Dec 22 06:53:04 <destinal-work> KGF2009: and you need to be absolutely sure you've enabled dev mode and restarted the device first too
Dec 22 06:54:30 <KGF2009> Did all that just now. Novacom says 'unable to find device'.
Dec 22 06:55:49 <destinal-work> KGF2009: find another computer :)
Dec 22 06:56:04 <KGF2009> This is my only one. XP
Dec 22 06:56:17 <destinal-work> KGF2009: not a pre2 ?
Dec 22 06:56:34 <KGF2009> Pre+, 1.4.5.
Dec 22 06:56:48 <destinal-work> KGF2009: I have no idea then.  sorry. :(
Dec 22 06:57:28 <destinal-work> you might try installing novacom drivers again (they can be extracted from a recent webos doctor) but I suspect issues with your computer
Dec 22 06:58:37 <destinal-work> very likely the pre's fine but the computer's not, try on a friends computer just to confirm, etc
Dec 22 06:58:43 <KGF2009> Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree because like I said, it's been an issue on two operating systems..
Dec 22 07:17:16 <Jack87> so default doctor... i cant sign in with wifi... although phone gets activated ok as it is still connected to sprint network just without service
Dec 22 07:17:39 <Jack87> my wifi is on..but i cant open menu to choose my network
Dec 22 07:19:45 <Jack87> any adivce... just feeding curiosity of default doctor on none service phone going to meta doctor regardless
Dec 22 07:26:30 <Jack87> destinal: any input?
Dec 22 07:27:12 <destinal> Jack87: hmm.    weird, a stock doctor but a non-working wifi?  which version of webos?
Dec 22 07:28:20 <Jack87> i just cant open menu to select the wifi network to use on the stock doctor. phone activated fine just cant log into profile
Dec 22 07:31:40 <rwhitby> Jack87: you either need to preload wifi profile using meta-doctor, or bypass activation using meta-doctor
Dec 22 07:31:51 <rwhitby> sorry, bypass first use app, not bypass activation
Dec 22 07:32:49 <Jack87> rwhitby: yup... will do. experimenting with stock. but as it stands not possible i guess
Dec 22 07:33:45 <destinal> Jack87: you can also bypass using the palm bypass tool
Dec 22 07:34:08 <Jack87> destinal: does that bypass profile login? because phone auto activated
Dec 22 07:34:24 <destinal> yeah it skips the first use program
Dec 22 07:34:32 <destinal> you can always unhide and run it later if you want
Dec 22 07:34:37 <Jack87> roger.. then i should be able to get into wifi settings
Dec 22 07:35:20 <destinal> Jack87: I only mention it because palm's bypass tool is way way faster and easier than metadoctor for this function
Dec 22 07:36:37 <Jack87> destinal: ya.. considering i am going to meta doctor regardless i guess i might as well since no matter what there is no access to wifi settings on stock auto run first use. at least thats how it seems
Dec 22 07:36:44 <rwhitby> destinal: but Jack87 wants to use the app catalog with a profile later
Dec 22 07:37:05 <destinal> rwhitby: can you not just run first use later?
Dec 22 07:37:12 <rwhitby> destinal: not after palm's tool
Dec 22 07:37:31 <destinal> rwhitby: ah, this I didn't know.  no way to reverse it after the fact short of redoctoring?
Dec 22 07:37:44 <rwhitby> I believe a full erase will reverse it
Dec 22 07:37:53 <rwhitby> but also erase your wifi profile
Dec 22 07:38:27 <destinal> hmm, we really need some kind of tool that operates via installer image like palm's devicetool bypass does
Dec 22 07:38:35 <Jack87> roger... that is good information to know! thanks guys
Dec 22 07:38:54 <destinal> always building new doctors and reimaging the device is a pain
Dec 22 07:39:09 <rwhitby> destinal: I just added a devmode command to meta-doctor which does not require building and flashing
Dec 22 07:39:20 <destinal> rwhitby: nice
Dec 22 07:40:18 <destinal> I hadn't thought of just extending metadoctor to do non doctor stuff but I guess since you already have the novacom functionality in for boot and mount it's a logical step
Dec 22 07:41:25 <rwhitby> destinal: well, it already does a full backup.  touching a file is trivial
Dec 22 07:41:56 <Jack87> hum. how do i take advantage of this
Dec 22 07:44:33 <Jack87> brb... rebooting into linux (never did end up playing fallout as planned)
Dec 22 08:07:57 <jack87> rwhitby, how can i utilize git pull? not sure how to specify a branch
Dec 22 08:14:20 <rwhitby> jack87: google "windows gitcast"
Dec 22 08:15:35 * jack87 is running linux
Dec 22 08:16:06 * jack87 is reading through make file thinks he had already update meta doctor earlier in the week and forgot
Dec 22 08:31:34 <destinal> rwhitby: I just read someone did a optware bootstrap for the WDTV.. (back in 09)  -- nice
Dec 22 08:34:13 <rwhitby> destinal: yep, lots of devices have optware bootstraps
Dec 22 08:35:17 <destinal> it's just weird when they're devices I own but totally haven't bothered getting a root shell on  :)
Dec 22 08:41:18 <jack87> WDTV doesnt do netflix does it
Dec 22 08:43:31 * jack87 is kicking himself for not booting phone right into recovery mode
Dec 22 08:44:47 <jack87> question... my extra pre is fine.. but my main pre... eh.... volume up button (crappy quality build) is broken how would one boot into recovery mode
Dec 22 08:46:22 <jack87> button been messed up since i got it and now its useless i think it was a refurb swap annoying
Dec 22 08:48:18 <jack87> no wild guesses?
Dec 22 11:43:56 <matsimoto> Hi, can someone please give me a hint on how to enable developer mode in webos 2
Dec 22 11:46:10 <jack87> did you try kanomi code?
Dec 22 11:47:38 <matsimoto> not yet I thought they changed it.
Dec 22 11:47:54 <matsimoto> not yet I thought they changed it.
Dec 22 11:48:03 <matsimoto> read something about it
Dec 22 11:48:57 <jack87> upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart
Dec 22 11:49:10 <jack87> i have no idea.. try it though
Dec 22 11:55:16 <matsimoto> does not work fpor me.
Dec 22 13:15:39 <swisstomcat> afternoon
Dec 22 13:16:40 <swisstomcat> yay "Your request for a stand of WebOS-internals at FOSDEM 2010 has been accepted"
Dec 22 14:05:39 <DieterBohn> anybody here? Got an urgent request
Dec 22 14:06:10 <DieterBohn> heh - I mean anybody here who has access to the servers that parse PreCentral's homebrew app and Theme feeds
Dec 22 14:07:53 <swisstomcat> hey dieter
Dec 22 14:08:44 <swisstomcat> let me see if i can wake some people up :)
Dec 22 14:11:19 <ice8lue_> hey everybody, i got a problem with scummvm on my pre
Dec 22 14:11:46 <swisstomcat> hey ice8lue
Dec 22 14:12:06 <ice8lue_> hey swisstomcat
Dec 22 14:12:32 <ice8lue_> i tried to play curse of monkey island on it. first time it started, but froze. now, everytime i start a game, luna restarts
Dec 22 14:12:39 <swisstomcat> ugh
Dec 22 14:12:46 <swisstomcat> what does /var/log/messages say?
Dec 22 14:12:50 <DieterBohn> Hey Swiss. Thanks. we've completely busted up our feeds for homebrew apps and themes, so was hoping that you guys could pause your import / parsing on the servers.
Dec 22 14:15:19 <swisstomcat> i haven't seen anyone awake yet
Dec 22 14:15:28 <swisstomcat> ka6sox is probably the one to talk to
Dec 22 14:20:00 <ice8lue_> swisstomcat: it says a LOT xD there's a lot of jailer stuff in connection to scummvm
Dec 22 14:20:54 <swisstomcat> and then a luna restart?
Dec 22 14:21:00 <swisstomcat> can you pastebin it?
Dec 22 14:21:34 <ice8lue_> sure, but it really is long
Dec 22 14:25:14 <ice8lue_> http://webos.pastebin.com/grNJQ5UW
Dec 22 14:52:07 <ice8lue_> any ideas, swisstomcat?
Dec 22 14:52:14 <swisstomcat> not yet
Dec 22 14:55:15 <ice8lue_> ok
Dec 22 15:07:07 <swisstomcat> 2010-12-22T14:06:49.207092Z [1771] palm-webos-device daemon.warning  upstart: (01771/958596189) LunaSysMgr main process (3103) terminated  with status 255
Dec 22 15:07:09 <swisstomcat> that's all i see
Dec 22 15:10:11 <ice8lue_> doesn't tell me anything
Dec 22 15:16:57 <MetaView> you might run it with gdb
Dec 22 15:17:18 <ice8lue_> this is stange...tried an older version of scummvm i had on my hdd - same thing
Dec 22 15:17:21 <ice8lue_> gdb?
Dec 22 15:17:31 <MetaView> the debugger
Dec 22 15:17:37 <MetaView> directly on the device
Dec 22 15:17:59 <MetaView> last time I checked, scumm was copying the exe to the internal drive and then running it there
Dec 22 15:18:17 <MetaView> you could do it by hand and run "gdb scummvm"
Dec 22 15:19:11 <ice8lue_> ok will try that
Dec 22 15:26:46 <ice8lue_> hmmm (no debugging symbols found)
Dec 22 15:28:34 <MetaView> war zu vermuten...
Dec 22 15:28:50 <MetaView> now you could rebuild it with debugging symbols :)
Dec 22 15:29:01 <ice8lue_> ;)
Dec 22 15:31:28 <ice8lue_> just want it to work ;)
Dec 22 15:31:56 <MetaView> you are a bit to narrow-minded...
Dec 22 15:32:02 <MetaView> +0
Dec 22 15:32:26 <ice8lue_> =P so how do i build it with debugging symbols?
Dec 22 15:48:37 <destinal> DieterBohn: morning
Dec 22 15:49:11 <DieterBohn> @destinal hi
Dec 22 15:49:24 <DieterBohn> (argh, still can't get this colloquy app right)
Dec 22 15:50:25 <destinal> DieterBohn: is there still a problem on your end?  I think after the feed has been built from bad data pausing it wouldn't be helpful, would it?
Dec 22 15:51:28 <DieterBohn> destinal: there is a problem on our end, the feeds are broken right now. if the servers have built in the past couple hours then all we can do is get it fixed on our end, I guess. we are working on it asap. Do you know if the parser will handle a busted-ass feed elegantly?
Dec 22 15:52:34 <destinal> DieterBohn: I'll check it out on our side but if it's broken badly enough it may not be a problem since the import may fail entirely
Dec 22 15:56:24 <DieterBohn> destinal: sounds good
Dec 22 15:56:38 <destinal> DieterBohn: the current Packages file looks fine to me, I'll save a bacup of it just in case.
Dec 22 15:58:45 <DieterBohn> great, appreciate it!
Dec 22 16:13:31 <halfhalo> destinal: if the packages file turns out to be bad I can repurpose a node script to yank or fix all the bad entries
Dec 22 16:18:01 <PuffTheMagic> anyone with 2.x.... do you have problems adding bookmarks or launcher icons from the browser?
Dec 22 16:18:06 <halfhalo> I shall call if fluffy and it shall be mine
Dec 22 16:18:54 <swisstomcat> puffthemagic: i think it's broken
Dec 22 16:20:19 <PuffTheMagic> swisstomcat, so i am not imagining that?
Dec 22 16:20:27 <ice8lue_> no it's known
Dec 22 16:53:29 <halfhalo> fluffy is complete!
Dec 22 16:56:55 <Davide-NYC> huh?
Dec 22 16:58:13 <NuttyBunny> halfhalo is completely fluffy?
Dec 22 17:05:48 <halfhalo> slightly
Dec 22 17:06:36 <halfhalo> http://pastie.org/private/2pe7gg6fsepwgtf1yuhezg :D
Dec 22 17:07:24 <scoutcamper> ...
Dec 22 17:07:55 * NuttyBunny doesn't know what fluffy does, but nice to see some node.js love :)
Dec 22 17:08:22 <halfhalo> fluffy tries to parse packages files and tells you if it can't
Dec 22 17:14:52 <NuttyBunny> nice
Dec 22 17:32:23 <NuttyBunny> brb.. reboot
Dec 22 17:39:21 <jack87> Hello all.
Dec 22 17:39:31 <ice8lue_> hey jack
Dec 22 17:40:27 * jack87 killed is phone... i would call it bricked as it will not doctor completely and when booting in first use start up spinning infinite circle 
Dec 22 17:41:19 <egaudet> unlikely to be bricked
Dec 22 17:42:00 <jack87> egaudet: thats what i thought. but i cant get rid of this infinit loop
Dec 22 17:42:08 * halfhalo is tracking down why some packages Source entries are failing to convert and he has a lead
Dec 22 17:42:30 <jack87> trying to hunt down my old weboos doctor one of the originals and give that shot
Dec 22 17:43:18 <egaudet> are you going to recovery mode then doctoring?
Dec 22 17:43:30 <jack87> egaudet: yes sir
Dec 22 17:43:32 <egaudet> stock doctor?  what device/doctor
Dec 22 17:43:42 <jack87> it fails at about 56%
Dec 22 17:43:51 <jack87> stock doc and meta doc
Dec 22 17:44:02 <egaudet> java -jar <doc>  to get some output
Dec 22 17:44:32 <jack87> hum... good idea...
Dec 22 17:45:32 <swisstomcat> jack87: my device is toast too ... similar "when booting in first use start up spinning infinite circle "
Dec 22 17:45:59 <egaudet> if it's attempting to boot, try the devicetool.jar to bypass activation
Dec 22 17:46:00 <jack87> swisstomcat: yuppers... have you tried webos doc older then 1.2
Dec 22 17:46:24 <swisstomcat> nah
Dec 22 17:46:36 <swisstomcat> now after a reboot it asks for the language
Dec 22 17:46:49 <jack87> i wish i had time to do the doc with out put. but thanks for the heads up should retry again
Dec 22 17:47:00 <jack87> swisstomcat: haha mine doesnt go to that point yet
Dec 22 17:47:12 <swisstomcat> "phone activated"
Dec 22 17:48:19 <jack87> ya it dosnt hit that.. it wont connect to cell network anymore
Dec 22 17:49:00 <jack87> as soon as i find an old doctor i feel like that should fix it. those things were like full proof :)
Dec 22 17:49:14 <egaudet> have you modified your tokens
Dec 22 17:49:42 <swisstomcat> restoring data
Dec 22 17:49:44 <swisstomcat> hmm
Dec 22 17:49:46 <jack87> egaudet: negative... however i suspect they might of been courupted
Dec 22 17:50:04 <jack87> swisstomcat: maybe your phone just needed a rest for a few days
Dec 22 17:50:11 <swisstomcat> who knows
Dec 22 17:50:49 <egaudet> you can mem boot the installer image, novaterm in and tokens --list to see them
Dec 22 17:50:53 <swisstomcat> hmm, setup complete
Dec 22 17:50:55 <swisstomcat> reboot
Dec 22 17:50:57 <swisstomcat> strange
Dec 22 17:51:01 <jack87> oh man.. office christmas lunch on.... haha i never throught id say this but i dont want it to start.. yet
Dec 22 17:51:15 <egaudet> but I also suggest trying to bypass the whole first use/activation with Palm's devicetool.jar
Dec 22 17:51:47 <jack87> egaudet: i really wanted to do it stock and get a working phone connected to my account
Dec 22 17:51:49 <swisstomcat> why does that "you're not longer signed in on your palm profile" even happen?
Dec 22 17:52:03 <jack87> swisstomcat: never seen it before
Dec 22 17:52:21 <swisstomcat> dammit
Dec 22 17:52:29 <swisstomcat> now i get "download failed" for every app
Dec 22 17:53:25 <abegee> is the profile patch for devicetool.jar updated for webOS 2.0?
Dec 22 17:54:08 <swisstomcat> even for free apps e.g appscoop
Dec 22 17:54:10 <swisstomcat> grrrrr
Dec 22 17:54:42 <egaudet> abegee: I don't think it's update dfor the pre2 but it's easy to extract the pre2 installer image from pre2 doctor and pack it into devicetool.jar for it to work
Dec 22 17:55:16 <NuttyBunny> swisstomcat: did you replace the PalmDatabase.db3 file?
Dec 22 17:55:27 <abegee> how about "other" versions of webOS 2, (hint hint)
Dec 22 17:57:34 <abegee> what I'm talking about is the patch to get access to palm profile and appcatalog on a dev device that used devicetool.jar to activate, there was a patch for this for 1.4.5 doctors, is something similar avaialble for later versions?
Dec 22 17:57:50 <scoutcamper> jack87, what phone? what version were you doctoring from? to? from what desktop os?
Dec 22 17:58:52 <jack87> within linux doctoring newest* version of webos on sprint pre
Dec 22 17:58:54 <destinal> abegee: there's a re-enable first use patch or something?  I didn't know that
Dec 22 17:59:35 <jack87> destinal: haha ya.. it doesnt seem to work all to great in 2.0. iw ill have to figure it out and fix it
Dec 22 17:59:47 <jack87> apparently im the maintainer haha
Dec 22 17:59:55 <abegee> I read about it somewhere, around the time of 1.4.0, I'm looking to find it for later versions ie. 1.4.5 ;)
Dec 22 18:01:12 <jack87> i am going back in time to 7/24/09
Dec 22 18:02:01 <jack87> fyi.. first use name changed to gesture tutorial in launcher
Dec 22 18:02:45 * scoutcamper pokes halfhalo and asks about flufffy
Dec 22 18:03:13 <halfhalo> fluffy is misbehaving since it now uses a new parsing method on json stuff
Dec 22 18:04:26 <scoutcamper> lol
Dec 22 18:04:29 * jack87 has to run :( bug you all later
Dec 22 18:04:46 <scoutcamper> so, does anyone know why this died out ? http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/MetaDoctor.git;a=summary
Dec 22 18:05:15 <halfhalo> because real men use the command line version?
Dec 22 18:05:26 <egaudet> You can "unhide" the first use app and run it at any time afaik
Dec 22 18:06:00 <NuttyBunny> egaudet: it doesn't work that way in 2.x anymore
Dec 22 18:06:16 <NuttyBunny> in fact, running the gesture app under normal Luna doesn't work either
Dec 22 18:06:16 <destinal> egaudet: apparently with palm bypass unhiding and running isn't enough
Dec 22 18:06:18 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, but for those people who dont want to use commandline, not me, but others, that would be usefull
Dec 22 18:06:40 <NuttyBunny> you have to remove /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-app snd reboot
Dec 22 18:06:42 <destinal> egaudet: so we should look at what palm bypass actually does I suppose
Dec 22 18:06:52 <destinal> ah, it's just that file?
Dec 22 18:06:53 <destinal> easyt
Dec 22 18:08:05 <NuttyBunny> yes, it gets checked in /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr I think and runs an instance of Luna with only the first run app, or a standard Luna
Dec 22 18:09:00 <egaudet> oh let me go look at some upstart script to see what changed
Dec 22 18:12:26 <NuttyBunny> I just create /var/gadget/novaterm_enabled and /var/luna/preferences/ran-first-app  while it's doctoring (at about 30-40%), var gets mounted and you can add the files, and after finishing presto! dev mode and activation skipped :D
Dec 22 18:12:29 <egaudet> there's a /var/luna/preferences/first-use-profile-created
Dec 22 18:12:46 <NuttyBunny> aah!
Dec 22 18:13:10 <egaudet> looks like after first-use is run, and that file doesn't exist, a luna-send to com.palm.accountservices/createNovaAccount is called
Dec 22 18:13:35 <halfhalo> fluffy is done
Dec 22 18:14:10 <NuttyBunny> the default account should be the dr skipped firstuse? :)
Dec 22 18:15:56 <egaudet> ?
Dec 22 18:16:43 <egaudet> I'll have to play with it when I'm at my device to see what's different as to why we can't just run first use
Dec 22 18:25:51 <NuttyBunny> mmmhhh... I have a dr skipped firstuse, and my "normal" account :S
Dec 22 18:26:10 * scoutcamper wants preware to have universal search /cc @ oil
Dec 22 18:27:54 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 22 18:30:07 <Loudergood> don't forget a background update checking service ;)
Dec 22 18:30:15 <NuttyBunny> so, to avoid the drskippedfirstuse account, we still have to touch /var/luna/preferences/first-use-profile-created
Dec 22 18:31:05 <egaudet> Dear Rovio, thanks for making it impossible for me to play Angry Birds Seasons on the crapper at work, I'm sure my boss appreciates it :/
Dec 22 18:31:20 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 22 18:31:28 <destinal> egaudet: needs wifi to run?
Dec 22 18:31:29 <scoutcamper> LOL!
Dec 22 18:31:33 <destinal> or 3g?
Dec 22 18:31:33 <NuttyBunny> really? doesn't it work?
Dec 22 18:31:43 <egaudet> destinal: needs data to download the levels AS you get to them
Dec 22 18:31:54 <egaudet> so no [good] data connection here means no play
Dec 22 18:32:06 <NuttyBunny> mmm... not funny :(
Dec 22 18:32:10 <KGF2009> rwhitby, you here?
Dec 22 18:32:23 <egaudet> yeah bad decision on their part IMO
Dec 22 18:32:23 <destinal> egaudet: I wonder why someone doesn't come up with a level downloader tool to fix that
Dec 22 18:32:57 <scoutcamper> KGF2009, its like 2 am his time
Dec 22 18:33:04 <KGF2009> Ah. Perhaps not, then.
Dec 22 18:33:22 <egaudet> it auths with their servers or something I dunno, at least it wouldn't be possible to download future days levels, but idk
Dec 22 18:33:35 <destinal> scoutcamper: nope, 5AM
Dec 22 18:33:35 <scoutcamper> KGF2009, whats the question?
Dec 22 18:34:01 <scoutcamper> destinal, fiiine, but my point still stands
Dec 22 18:34:03 <KGF2009> Then maybe someone else can help me; My phone is refusing any connections that would be activated by developer mode (which is on, and the phone's been reset). I've tried two computers, and doctoring my pre, with no different results.
Dec 22 18:34:31 <destinal> KGF2009: maybe your USB cable or port is bad?
Dec 22 18:34:37 <destinal> on the pre
Dec 22 18:34:47 <scoutcamper> KGF2009, What Pre, Carrier, Desktop OS, and Webos Version?
Dec 22 18:34:49 <destinal> KGF2009: oh but you doctored
Dec 22 18:34:55 <KGF2009> I don't think so, because if I switch it to hard drive mode, it's fine.
Dec 22 18:35:17 <KGF2009> scoutcamper, Pre+, Verizon, Windows XP and Ubuntu 10.04 (tried both), 1.4.5.
Dec 22 18:35:25 <NuttyBunny> Disable dev mode, restart, reenable dev mode, restart, try again
Dec 22 18:35:44 <egaudet> what device?
Dec 22 18:36:05 <egaudet> nvm I'm late
Dec 22 18:36:10 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 22 18:36:27 <KGF2009> NuttyBunny, trying now.
Dec 22 18:36:56 <NuttyBunny> KGF2009: also, try (at least under linux)    ->   novacom -l
Dec 22 18:37:09 <NuttyBunny> you should see your device there
Dec 22 18:37:16 <NuttyBunny> Pre/Pre+ at least
Dec 22 18:37:18 <scoutcamper> or in windows, novacom -t tty://
Dec 22 18:37:24 <Loudergood> true..could be a novacom issue...I had one where I needed to reboot the pc before
Dec 22 18:37:39 <ice8lue_> hey guys... what are the optware testing feeds?
Dec 22 18:37:56 <ice8lue_> or, where are they? ;)
Dec 22 18:38:07 <KGF2009> This is a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.04; put it on this morning, as a matter of fact; and it was still failing back when I was on Windows.
Dec 22 18:38:35 <egaudet> definitely do novacom -l to make sure it sees it
Dec 22 18:38:44 <KGF2009> Once I get devmode re-enabled.
Dec 22 18:38:49 <egaudet> try different USB ports on PC if it doesn't
Dec 22 18:38:50 <NuttyBunny> and check that novacomd is running on linux :)
Dec 22 18:39:09 <egaudet> yeah ps -ef |grep novacom
Dec 22 18:39:12 <NuttyBunny> ps ax | grep novacomd
Dec 22 18:39:27 <NuttyBunny> I have  1544 ?        Ssl    0:08 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd
Dec 22 18:39:42 <destinal> egaudet: SYSV background?
Dec 22 18:39:48 <KGF2009> 24070 ?        Ssl    0:06 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd
Dec 22 18:40:07 <KGF2009> Also this: 24607 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto novacomd
Dec 22 18:40:18 <NuttyBunny> the first one is the important one
Dec 22 18:40:39 <NuttyBunny> the second is the grep command embedded in the ps that you ran
Dec 22 18:40:39 <egaudet> destinal: umm well we used a lot of Solaris around here when I first got here (and was really a *nix noob)
Dec 22 18:40:52 <destinal> egaudet: I remember using that ps syntax back in my solaris days
Dec 22 18:40:55 <KGF2009> Ah.
Dec 22 18:41:07 <KGF2009> Devmode on, restarting phone now.
Dec 22 18:42:22 <egaudet> destinal: I never realized it was a unix style thing, one of those things I learned early on and just stuck with me.
Dec 22 18:43:42 <NuttyBunny> 3 hours later after KGF2009's Pre booted... ;)
Dec 22 18:43:52 <KGF2009> I know, right? XP
Dec 22 18:44:12 <KGF2009> That's one of my -few- issues with this platform.
Dec 22 18:44:28 <NuttyBunny> That's the reason I leave dev mode enabled always
Dec 22 18:44:31 <KGF2009> Is it better on Pre2?
Dec 22 18:44:31 <egaudet> Whenever my Pre is rebooting, I feel like throwing it off a brick wall a few hundred times
Dec 22 18:44:51 <phil_bw> people actually reboot their Pres?
Dec 22 18:45:00 <KGF2009> Normally I don't.
Dec 22 18:45:45 <egaudet> not during normal use (unless my GPS stops working with sprint navigation and I can't get it working and Ineed it!)
Dec 22 18:45:45 <NuttyBunny> Me neither, normally just Luna whenever necessary, Linux can go alive for weeks :D
Dec 22 18:45:59 <scoutcamper> egaudet, my pre2 rebooting makes me :)
Dec 22 18:46:04 <KGF2009> Yeah, normally Luna restart works for me.
Dec 22 18:46:04 <phil_bw> I hate that my Windows 7 laptop can boot from off to desktop about 3 times faster than my phone...
Dec 22 18:46:36 <egaudet> luna restart is the problem heh, that's the big time hog
Dec 22 18:46:45 <egaudet> linux is up quickly
Dec 22 18:46:54 <KGF2009> NuttyBunny, I love you. It -finally- shows up!
Dec 22 18:46:55 <NuttyBunny> Even with the js services in 2.0, it's still slow :(
Dec 22 18:47:03 <KGF2009> 54188 4fbdc6111bbd3b24e1df72de751a37bbd06b580f usb castle-linux
Dec 22 18:47:13 * halfhalo notes his mac boots up about 10x faster than his pre
Dec 22 18:47:32 <destinal> KGF2009: nice!
Dec 22 18:47:33 <KGF2009> Ubuntu boots so fast I can lean down to put on some socks and miss the whole thing.
Dec 22 18:47:34 <NuttyBunny> KGF2009: Cool :D
Dec 22 18:47:50 <Loudergood> my thinkpad with ubuntu boots insanely fast
Dec 22 18:48:03 <destinal> KGF2009: so just disable, restart, enable, restart fixed it.  interesting
Dec 22 18:48:08 <KGF2009> Yep.
Dec 22 18:48:12 <NuttyBunny> Ubuntu on my netbook boots in about 30 secs :D
Dec 22 18:48:18 <KGF2009> Takes a couple hours, but it fixes it! XD
Dec 22 18:48:25 <phil_bw> linux I can understand... but when bloated windows is beating you for boot time there's a problem
Dec 22 18:48:50 <Loudergood> I have upgraded to an ssd, and I have it set to autologin and lock screen for me, and it's probably still 10 seconds or less
Dec 22 18:49:24 <NuttyBunny> the problem with the autologin is the famous keyring... you still have to unlock it :(
Dec 22 18:49:52 <Loudergood> eh, I used wicd so I don't need the keyring
Dec 22 18:50:01 <Loudergood> hate that thing
Dec 22 18:50:04 <egaudet> phil_bw: is windows booting on a 500MHz device
Dec 22 18:50:36 <phil_bw> egaudet: no, but I'm comparing modern gadget to modern gadget here
Dec 22 18:51:13 <phil_bw> fast system + big os compared to slow system + small os
Dec 22 18:52:05 <KGF2009> Hallelujah, now I can get my patches back. XP
Dec 22 18:52:13 <scoutcamper> my pre2 beats my ubuntu 10.04
Dec 22 18:53:04 <phil_bw> when I think of something that should be up in a hurry I think my phone should take precedence to my pc
Dec 22 18:53:27 <KGF2009> True.
Dec 22 18:54:44 <egaudet> phil_bw: but it's so much more than a phone ;)
Dec 22 18:55:37 <phil_bw> If there's an emergency I don't care what it is, I need to make a call.  if the battery dies it takes a year and a half for the damn thing to charge enough to boot then another decade to boot.
Dec 22 18:56:08 <phil_bw> meanwhile if my laptop battery is completely dead I can plug it in and be using it in under a minute...  lotta good that'll do me
Dec 22 18:56:35 <phil_bw> bloody hell I'm ranting a lot today, sorry... *shuts up now*
Dec 22 18:57:13 <halfhalo> fluffy now gives you stats!
Dec 22 18:57:53 <NuttyBunny> phil_bw: That's why whenever my Pre hits 30% I take more care of the battery: Disable data (3g&wifi) does the trick
Dec 22 18:58:34 <phil_bw> yeah I rarely let mine go completely dead, but some cases it'll still sneak up on you
Dec 22 18:58:56 <NuttyBunny> yeap, I know... :(
Dec 22 18:59:39 <phil_bw> all phones should have an instant on phone call mode when connected to a charger for emergencies
Dec 22 19:00:58 <egaudet> phil_bw: yeah that's a good idea, a very minimal phone-only mode while charging, and hell maybe even while booting
Dec 22 19:01:12 <KGF2009> Nice to have my phone back in working order.
Dec 22 19:01:22 <phil_bw> yeah, just a thin layer of dumbphone software
Dec 22 19:01:37 <NuttyBunny> +1 for that :)
Dec 22 19:03:37 <KGF2009> Sometimes I wonder what I'd be doing with my phone if I'd never found Preware; because now my phone feels like -crap- without Preware and patches. XD
Dec 22 19:04:03 <phil_bw> I second that KGF
Dec 22 19:05:23 <phil_bw> I have a feeling we'll be seeing a much easier time installing
Dec 22 19:05:27 <phil_bw> on future devices
Dec 22 19:06:53 <KGF2009> I honestly think Palm should actually integrate patches into the app catalog. Mind you, after making sure they're stable.
Dec 22 19:09:46 <scoutcamper> KGF2009, the problem with that, is patches are a security breach of the software.
Dec 22 19:10:21 <KGF2009> Well..True.
Dec 22 19:10:56 <Loudergood> the licensing is already setup to allow them to integrate them into the OS if they desire
Dec 22 19:12:25 <scoutcamper> KGF2009, in 2.0 they have integrated patches like multipl pages and naming pages
Dec 22 19:12:47 <KGF2009> Well, those are good.
Dec 22 19:13:07 <KGF2009> My favorite by far though has to be 'No video pause on screen change'.
Dec 22 19:13:57 <KGF2009> I've got plenty of music videos on here I don't want to spend time converting to MP3s, and this way I can still listen to it without having to constantly watch it and nothing else.
Dec 22 19:14:27 <NuttyBunny> scoutcampar: actually those are not patches, in fact in 2.xthe entire launcher is now a binary file which doesn't allow easy patching :(
Dec 22 19:16:19 <scoutcamper> NuttyBunny, my point was that they took an idea we had and made it standard
Dec 22 19:17:07 <Clipper87> hey everyone...any of you know how i can get windows live messanger and such on my pre?
Dec 22 19:17:19 <NuttyBunny> ah, yes :D  but now I can't have 4x4 and reset scroll on my launcher :'(
Dec 22 19:17:52 <gkatsev> custom launchers like on android! go!
Dec 22 19:17:53 <KGF2009> Now that should be standard too; how many apps per row.
Dec 22 19:17:55 <gkatsev> lol
Dec 22 19:18:20 * scoutcamper wants the android draw patter to unlock screen
Dec 22 19:18:24 <Clipper87> i read u can install a patch thru preware to add more chat platforms but i cant find it
Dec 22 19:18:53 <KGF2009> I've never seen one. O-o
Dec 22 19:19:32 <NuttyBunny> Look for "messaging plugins" on Precentral
Dec 22 19:19:39 <NuttyBunny> but they don't work on 2.x
Dec 22 19:20:05 <gkatsev> what I really want on webos is the ability to playback audio at 1.5x speed.
Dec 22 19:24:06 <Clipper87> nuttybunny do i have to install those ipk thru quick install for can i do it thru preware on my device somehow...
Dec 22 19:24:08 <Clipper87> ?
Dec 22 19:24:24 <Clipper87> ahh crap no 2.x support ...
Dec 22 19:24:30 <Clipper87> nvm then
Dec 22 19:24:49 <NuttyBunny> anyway, it has to be done with quick install... preware not supported :)
Dec 22 19:25:14 <egaudet> s/has/can/
Dec 22 19:25:34 <egaudet> also what's special about it that it needs QI?
Dec 22 19:26:33 <NuttyBunny> I don't know, but I think the sysfiles and patch have to be installed at the same time because they both depend on each other, at least that's why it can't be installed with ipkg
Dec 22 19:29:27 <egaudet> it looks like it is just all ipks
Dec 22 19:29:31 <egaudet> you can use preware for that too
Dec 22 19:29:54 <NuttyBunny> it throws errors, and wosqi don't :)
Dec 22 19:30:40 <egaudet> well whatever the error should be fixed :P
Dec 22 19:31:37 <NuttyBunny> maybe, but Greg says: "install with webos quick install", so, I do that way :D
Dec 22 19:31:54 <NuttyBunny> s/do that/do it that/
Dec 22 19:31:54 <infobot> NuttyBunny meant: maybe, but Greg says: "install with webos quick install", so, I do it that way :D
Dec 22 19:33:51 <egaudet> I just can't think of why that would make a difference
Dec 22 19:34:26 <NuttyBunny> me neither, but in the thread, the people who try to install with preware and fail, try to install with quick install and succeed... go figure :)
Dec 22 19:34:53 <egaudet> either preware or QI is doing something wrong then
Dec 22 19:35:28 <NuttyBunny> When I get my 1.4.5 Pre back I'll play with that a bit, right now it's with my gf, and she loves it... but she may get a Xperia X10 mini :( .... medical applications  *sigh*
Dec 22 19:44:43 <KGF2009> Would palm-install work instead of Quick Install?
Dec 22 19:46:48 <egaudet> doubt it, but depends on how the ipk's were packaged wrt the postinst/prerm scripts
Dec 22 19:47:01 <swisstomcat> i think it should (for preware)
Dec 22 19:47:20 <swisstomcat> if not you can also use the preware-bootstrap method if you feel ok on the command-line
Dec 22 19:48:35 <egaudet> for preware it does work, preware is packaged correctly for scripts to run with palm-install
Dec 22 19:49:32 <egaudet> I've no idea how Greg's ipk's were packaged though and no chance to look atm
Dec 22 19:51:13 <sharkie> hmm
Dec 22 19:51:23 <sharkie> faceboko places gives me a latitude longitude error
Dec 22 19:51:35 <egaudet> things that make you go, for $500 please
Dec 22 19:52:08 * halfhalo keeps mum so he doesn't say bad jokes
Dec 22 19:52:21 <NuttyBunny> faceboko.com works actually... hehehe... some survey ;)
Dec 22 19:54:30 <egaudet> sharkie: how's your GPS signal.  I've never used facebook places though
Dec 22 19:54:45 <sharkie> swell i am inside
Dec 22 19:56:04 <sharkie> does the iphone have a better gps chip than the palm pre 2 because a lot of iphone users ive spoken to are able to use it inside
Dec 22 19:56:48 <destinal> KGF2009: IMO it probably means greg needs to use a proper package, it's probably broken but in a way that WOSQI is working with anyway
Dec 22 19:56:48 <Clipper87> i just "checked in" inside my work office...with my pre 2
Dec 22 19:57:31 * KGF2009 shrugs.
Dec 22 19:57:46 <NuttyBunny> sharkie: carrier? :)
Dec 22 19:58:04 <sharkie> hmm
Dec 22 19:58:06 <sharkie> possibly
Dec 22 19:58:13 <sharkie> do u need 3G reception
Dec 22 19:58:18 <KGF2009> My phone sucks at GPS on Verizon.
Dec 22 19:58:19 <sharkie> to get a location read
Dec 22 19:58:25 <sharkie> im in australia with a US device
Dec 22 19:58:40 <NuttyBunny> original carrier for your device?
Dec 22 19:58:43 <Loudergood> 3g helps with agps
Dec 22 19:58:58 <Loudergood> gps chips are slow to start otherwise
Dec 22 19:59:02 <sharkie> palm pre 2
Dec 22 19:59:22 <NuttyBunny> ah, unlocked... I thought you may have trouble reaching your carrier's agps servers
Dec 22 19:59:44 <Loudergood> my Verizon GPS even works when I have 3G
Dec 22 19:59:49 <sharkie> dont think so
Dec 22 19:59:49 <NuttyBunny> you may be able to search for your actual carrier agps servers, and configure them in your Pre 2
Dec 22 20:00:33 <KGF2009> My verizon GPS -works-, sure. But it usually says I can be anyway from this blue dot...to 5,000ft in any direction.
Dec 22 20:00:57 <KGF2009> s/anyway/anywhere/
Dec 22 20:00:58 <infobot> KGF2009 meant: My verizon GPS -works-, sure. But it usually says I can be anywhere from this blue dot...to 5,000ft in any direction.
Dec 22 20:00:59 <sharkie> that would stll work ok
Dec 22 20:02:09 <NuttyBunny> but that's with agps
Dec 22 20:06:19 <Loudergood> mine puts the center about 30 feet away with a 50' radius if I'm guessing my distances right
Dec 22 20:07:13 <Loudergood> my pre2 with no service does nothing so far
Dec 22 20:08:11 <KGF2009> Here, let me check.
Dec 22 20:09:23 <KGF2009> Closer than it normally is. But I don't know if it's getting a GPS fix or a wi-fi fix.
Dec 22 20:09:29 <KGF2009> And I'm still not in the circle.
Dec 22 20:11:10 <Loudergood> oh right..it's probably the wifi..
Dec 22 20:11:24 <Loudergood> though my pre2 doesn't seem to get a wifi fix
Dec 22 20:12:01 <NuttyBunny> brb
Dec 22 20:24:01 <sharkie> NuttyBunny: how woul di do that
Dec 22 20:32:29 <BenUK_> swisstomcat: are you around?
Dec 22 20:32:55 <swisstomcat> yeah
Dec 22 20:34:12 <BenUK_> quick question
Dec 22 20:35:19 <swisstomcat> go ahead
Dec 22 20:35:34 <BenUK_> in your intro tutorial if I add the additional info to appinfo.json the auto generated help scene doesnt work just shows 'by'
Dec 22 20:35:50 <swisstomcat> which tutorial?
Dec 22 20:36:08 <BenUK_> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-introduction_part-5/
Dec 22 20:36:27 <jivadent> hi, i'm a noob here with a question.  my sprint palm pre's touchscreen stopped responding and sprint's replacing it.  I'd like to run the save/restore app, but can't since the touchscreen doesn't respond to touch.  Is there anyway to run it via the keyboard?  And if not, is there any way to run something akin to it via command line from a pc?
Dec 22 20:36:45 <swisstomcat> benuk: allright .. what else is in your appinfo.json? e.g vendor/title?
Dec 22 20:37:18 <swisstomcat> benuk: and version .. because it pulls that info out of the appinfo.json to display the scene
Dec 22 20:38:59 <BenUK_> if i use the one created by palm-generate it shows app name vendor version etc
Dec 22 20:39:24 <swisstomcat> right
Dec 22 20:39:34 <swisstomcat> and then you add the additional information as in the tutorial
Dec 22 20:39:43 <BenUK_> but if I add the extra stuff (email website etc) from the tut it just shows Help and By
Dec 22 20:39:54 <swisstomcat> strange
Dec 22 20:40:02 <swisstomcat> can you paste your current appinfo.json?
Dec 22 20:41:35 <BenUK_> { 	"id": "com.milclobe.secret-app", 	"version": "0.7.0", 	"vendor": "milclobe", 	"type": "web", 	"main": "index.html", 	"title": "secret app", 	"icon": "icon.png" }         "support": {           "email": {             "address": "support@milclobe.com",             "subject": "Support"           }, 	  "resources": [   	 { 	    "type": "scene", 	    "label": "Send Feedback", 	    "sceneName": "feedback" 	  }, 	  { 	    "type"
Dec 22 20:42:49 <swisstomcat> something is cut off at the end?
Dec 22 20:43:11 <KGF2009> Try pastebin, perhaps?
Dec 22 20:43:21 <swisstomcat> and jsonlint.com
Dec 22 20:43:24 <swisstomcat> to validate
Dec 22 20:44:53 <BenUK_> jsonlint.com says syntax error, unexpected TSTRING, expecting $end at line 9 Parsing failed
Dec 22 20:45:39 <destinal> jivadent: hmm, rwhitby could answer that better since he did save/restore
Dec 22 20:46:04 <jivadent> ok, is he afk?
Dec 22 20:46:04 <BenUK_> http://pastebin.com/fr7sK5v7
Dec 22 20:46:27 <swisstomcat> benuk: there's an extra { on line 9
Dec 22 20:46:45 <destinal> jivadent: he'll be around later, it's 7:15 AM where he is in australia now
Dec 22 20:47:37 <destinal> jivadent: I bet at very least you could make a modified version of save restore that calls SAVE on launch and then launch it from the command line
Dec 22 20:47:54 <destinal> or with universal search / justtype
Dec 22 20:47:55 <jivadent> benuk: move the } from line 9 to the end
Dec 22 20:48:05 <jivadent> that should fix it
Dec 22 20:48:29 <jivadent> destinal: how do you launch from the command line?
Dec 22 20:48:55 <destinal> jivadent: like   luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.palm.app.backup"}'
Dec 22 20:49:12 <destinal> replace id with the app id to launch
Dec 22 20:49:17 <destinal> or you could use palm-launch
Dec 22 20:49:20 <destinal> from SDK
Dec 22 20:51:19 <BenUK_> swisstomcat: if I remove that { I get syntax error, unexpected TSTRING, expecting $end at line 9 Parsing failed
Dec 22 20:51:40 <jivadent> destinal: thanks!  when does rwhitby come on usually?
Dec 22 20:51:50 <swisstomcat> you also need to add a comma to line 8: "icon": "icon.png",
Dec 22 20:51:54 <swisstomcat> to make it valid JSON
Dec 22 20:52:04 <jivadent> benuk:  if you removed the } from line 9, you need to add it to the end... the closing brace is missing on the end
Dec 22 20:52:31 <swisstomcat> right, jivadent is correct
Dec 22 20:53:04 <swisstomcat> http://pastebin.com/Vpu7DYpk
Dec 22 20:53:07 <swisstomcat> should be correct
Dec 22 20:53:11 <swisstomcat> validate with jsonlint
Dec 22 20:53:49 <BenUK_> swisstomcat: that was it, thanks also jivadent =)
Dec 22 20:55:01 <destinal> jivadent: usually within a few hours from now I think
Dec 22 20:56:13 <destinal> jivadent: I had an absurd thought to graph it using the logs but let's not be silly :)
Dec 22 20:57:46 <jivadent> destinal:  lol!  now that would be a nice webchat feature :)  thanks for the info... I'll be offline in about an hour and a half, so I'll prolly miss him.  I think I might just copy the Palm DB and take my chances copying it over to the new phone...
Dec 22 21:00:13 <jivadent> bbs
Dec 22 21:04:14 <destinal> jivadent: well it may be possible to force a save by making a service call using luna-send but I don't know exactly how save/restore works
Dec 22 21:04:32 <destinal> jivadent: how good are you with mojo / javascript?
Dec 22 21:05:26 <ice8lue> heyho
Dec 22 21:05:59 <destinal> jivadent: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SaveRestore
Dec 22 21:06:00 <Jack87-NotHere> egaudet: i had no luck with older doctor :( i think it may be the tokens that are messed up. you said that can be corrected while in recovery mode?
Dec 22 21:06:21 <destinal> jivadent:   looks like what you need is    sh -x /var/svc/org.webosinternals.saverestore/com.palm.app.facebook save
Dec 22 21:06:23 <destinal> and so on
Dec 22 21:07:13 <destinal> the various scripts in the saverestore directory with the single argument "save"  may do what you need
Dec 22 21:16:08 <egaudet> luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.saverestore/list {}
Dec 22 21:16:28 <egaudet> luna-send -n 1 palm://org.webosinternals.saverestore/save '{"id":"whatever.app.uri"}'
Dec 22 21:16:43 <Jack87> egaudet: webos doctor fails to complete... new old stock meta doesnt matter. could there be something wrong with bootie?
Dec 22 21:17:15 <egaudet> Jack87: did you run it from command line to get more information?
Dec 22 21:18:01 <Jack87> sadly not yet. just let computer run while i had to go.. now i am back i will run via command line shortly.
Dec 22 21:18:34 <egaudet> running via command line is no different, you just get stdout output to see what it's failing at rather than -only- gui failed message
Dec 22 21:19:40 <Jack87> egaudet: to be honest i was just too lazy to unplug from one computer to the other (office computer to linux laptop) I have it up via command line haha just need to plug in and hit next. but i started a doctor in windows.. so i cant stop yet
Dec 22 21:19:41 <jhowirc> ~seen geist
Dec 22 21:19:55 <infobot> geist is currently on #webos-internals (5d 23h 17m 18s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 3d 15h 37m 59s, last said: 'apparently not'.
Dec 22 21:20:21 * egaudet is pretty sure you could have used windows cmd prompt to java -jar it too, no?  dunno don't use windows
Dec 22 21:20:42 <Jack87> egaudet: not sure i havent used windows cmd much myself
Dec 22 21:22:10 <mpingu> hi destinal
Dec 22 21:23:01 <destinal> mpingu: hi
Dec 22 21:28:39 <scoutcamper> destinal, you should do that graph, but he has to change his name when he sleeps to make it work right
Dec 22 21:29:21 <Jack87> egaudet: haha so webos 1.2.0 doc completed but phone is stuck in infinite loop again this time in webos 1.2.0
Dec 22 21:29:44 <destinal> scoutcamper: nah, it would just do frequency of messages to chart when he would come in and when leave
Dec 22 21:30:09 <Jack87> Loop stoped now says "your phone is experiencing an error" and keeps looping that screen any ideas where i can get details on that error?
Dec 22 21:31:21 <destinal> Jack87: have you modified your modem at all?
Dec 22 21:31:22 <scoutcamper> Jack87, try doctoring with 1.4.5 now
Dec 22 21:31:48 <destinal> Jack87: oh right, the software and the modem firmware probably don't match up that far back
Dec 22 21:31:59 <destinal> Jack87: definitely doctor with 1.4.5 now
Dec 22 21:32:05 <Jack87> destinal: i believe i did a ##786# to set it up so i can use it (pre owened)
Dec 22 21:32:10 <egaudet> doctor with latest doctor, no need to try other doctors
Dec 22 21:32:41 <egaudet> watch the cmd line stdout to see where it fails
Dec 22 21:32:45 <Jack87> awesome... so hopefully latest doctor should fix... (doctor that bar back might of wiped anything that was in the way
Dec 22 21:32:53 <Jack87> egaudet: roger that
Dec 22 21:34:07 <scoutcamper> Jack87, all of the doctors do the same ammount of wiping, thats why they stop giving out old doctors
Dec 22 21:35:08 <Jack87> scoutcamper: a lot of the doctors kept failing for some reason finally got one to complete... now doing the newest* and crossing fingers :)
Dec 22 21:35:14 <egaudet> scoutcamper: not true
Dec 22 21:35:25 <egaudet> some doctors used to wipe /media/internal
Dec 22 21:35:28 <egaudet> then they stopped
Dec 22 21:35:40 <egaudet> then I guess webos 2.0 does again
Dec 22 21:35:57 <Jack87> egaudet: maybe just the first releases?
Dec 22 21:36:03 <SineOt> yeah, 2.0 does it because it resizes some partitions
Dec 22 21:36:18 <SineOt> Hopefully it means that later 2.0 updates won't wipe /media/internal
Dec 22 21:36:20 <Loudergood> I think they had to make more room for the OS
Dec 22 21:36:24 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 22 21:36:40 <SineOt> but that should only be a one time thing so hopefully it's not around for a while again
Dec 22 21:36:44 <egaudet> I don't think they increased the rootfs size Loudergood
Dec 22 21:36:45 <Jack87> Loudergood: ya... newest doctors are close to 400mb
Dec 22 21:37:03 <SineOt> like 2.0->2.1 won't, 1.4.5->2.1 will, etc
Dec 22 21:37:19 <egaudet> there's no 2.0->2.1 in a doctor
Dec 22 21:37:19 <Loudergood> that's not going to pan out well for OTA updates though
Dec 22 21:37:19 <SineOt> egaudet: someone mentioned that it resizes something with llvm
Dec 22 21:37:21 <swisstomcat> bbl
Dec 22 21:37:59 <Jack87> egaudet: no errors in terminal yet at 22%.. usualy gets buggy between 52% and 64% and fails... so lets hope 1.2.0 fixed whatever funky was going on.
Dec 22 21:38:01 <egaudet> doctor is meant to restore from any "state", I haven't played with my pre2 much but
Dec 22 21:38:21 <egaudet> the doctor, afaik is creating all the partitions, lvm etc...
Dec 22 21:38:22 <SineOt> Part of me is thinking that the 1.4.5 -> 2.1 doctors won't be done OTA
Dec 22 21:39:01 <Jack87> SineOt: do you mean 2.0.1?
Dec 22 21:39:04 <egaudet> so things probably get "wiped" because internal partition is -moved- rather than a specific "wipe" functionality
Dec 22 21:39:28 <egaudet> but then again the pre2 only has webos 2.x so I guess that doesn't make sense if it's wiping each doctor
Dec 22 21:39:30 <SineOt> I think it's been long enough that old devices aren't going to be getting 2.0.1
Dec 22 21:39:51 <egaudet> SineOt: doctors are never done OTA
Dec 22 21:39:53 <Jack87> SineOt: fair enough
Dec 22 21:39:58 <egaudet> doctors are doctors, OTA is OTA
Dec 22 21:40:00 <SineOt> egaudet: yeah, I think it's a left over of handling a 1.4.5 -> 2.0
Dec 22 21:40:09 <Jack87> OTA and Doctor are two different worlds
Dec 22 21:40:14 * NuttyBunny-Away- votes for 2.0.3 for old devices (or 2.1)
Dec 22 21:40:15 <egaudet> what's a left over, there's no 1.4.5 -> 2.x out
Dec 22 21:40:15 <SineOt> er, that's what I meant. I don't think you'll be able to do 1.4.5 -> 2.0 OTA
Dec 22 21:40:34 <egaudet> SineOt: I'm very positive you will
Dec 22 21:40:48 <egaudet> there's a ton of people who would not even know where to begin with a doctor
Dec 22 21:40:50 <NuttyBunny> Linux can do repartitioning and resizing, so I'm pretty sure it will also
Dec 22 21:40:55 <egaudet> I don't think they'd leave them out but we'll see
Dec 22 21:41:02 * eieio is amused
Dec 22 21:41:04 <Loudergood> it's quite possible, but tricky to do partition resizing without losing data
Dec 22 21:41:08 <SineOt> egaudet: but it's planned, just like that virtualkeyboard: true bit that got left in the really early EAP doctors that leaked to Precentral
Dec 22 21:41:16 <Loudergood> last time I did it, it was very very slow though
Dec 22 21:41:18 * scoutcamper|gone is gone
Dec 22 21:41:22 <scoutcamper|gone> :D
Dec 22 21:41:25 <egaudet> SineOt: how was a leak planned?
Dec 22 21:41:49 <SineOt> egaudet: it wasn't, but it got left in anyways when it had no reason to be there
Dec 22 21:41:57 <egaudet> Loudergood: that it is, can't wait to see their solution
Dec 22 21:42:08 <SineOt> ergo: it's not that weird to assume that something planned from a 1.4.5->2.0 update got left in Pre2 doctors etc
Dec 22 21:42:13 <egaudet> SineOt: not sure your point?
Dec 22 21:43:02 <egaudet> The doctors are completely different from the OTA
Dec 22 21:44:02 <egaudet> doctors contain all the stock files and code, using a ramfs kernel to write mbr, partition data, lvm, bootie etc...
Dec 22 21:44:31 <egaudet> i.e. the only thing it requires is bootie in recovery mode to copmletely restore your pre
Dec 22 21:45:56 <egaudet> OTA is completely different in that it communicates with Palm's servers to download updated packages to install, of course going to 2.x will require additional logic assuming that webos 2.x for old devices will have the same partition layout as the pre2 webos 2.0.1
Dec 22 21:47:03 <destinal> egaudet: I really doubt they'd keep pre on 2.0 using the old layout
Dec 22 21:47:19 <egaudet> although your point is valid that there may be repartitioning done from 2.0 rootfs files that are installed without repartitioning that may happen on reboot
Dec 22 21:47:37 <Jack87> egaudet: destinal: yup looks like i am getting a bunch of modem errors
Dec 22 21:47:50 <egaudet> destinal: no but they might OTA to 2.x with the old layout, and then have an upstart repartition on next boot?
Dec 22 21:48:01 <Jack87> "Error in Read Data from Modem (TimeOUT)!
Dec 22 21:48:14 <destinal> Jack87: 56% in doctor update is modem stuff IIRC
Dec 22 21:48:16 <Jack87> its at about 54%
Dec 22 21:48:20 <destinal> err 54% maybe
Dec 22 21:48:41 <Jack87> destinal: usualy happens around 52-64%
Dec 22 21:48:52 <egaudet> not sure how to -fix- the modem
Dec 22 21:48:54 <Jack87> destinal: any known soulutions?
Dec 22 21:49:04 <egaudet> but you can bypass the modem firmware update with meta doc
Dec 22 21:49:58 <SineOt> if Pre2 doctor requires resizing llvm (and wipes /media/internal in the process) -> not sure how you'd handle that OTA
Dec 22 21:50:04 <Jack87> egaudet: will i be able to make it a functioning phone eventually?? i guess bypass modem and activation
Dec 22 21:50:07 <scoutcamper|gone> Jack87, have you messed with it with qpst or other qualcom stuff?
Dec 22 21:50:30 <Jack87> scoutcamper|gone: negative
Dec 22 21:50:38 <egaudet> SineOt: an OTA can completely change the rootfs
Dec 22 21:50:58 <egaudet> so it can install a script to do anything it wants
Dec 22 21:51:22 <SineOt> I guess it boils down to if an OTA can do it why can't a doctor :c
Dec 22 21:51:27 <egaudet> maybe they'll prompt/warn/notify you before the update that you have to backup your USB data because it will be wiped
Dec 22 21:51:34 <Jack87> ok it errored out
Dec 22 21:51:48 <egaudet> SineOt: a doctor's job is much different than OTA
Dec 22 21:52:09 <egaudet> a doctor is not meant to retain ANY data, it WRITES the mbr and partition data directly to disk
Dec 22 21:52:33 <SineOt> but didn't the 1.3.x through 1.4.5 doctors -not- wipe any partitions?
Dec 22 21:52:47 <Loudergood> at least not the USB partition
Dec 22 21:52:48 <egaudet> they -only- didn't wipe the /media/internal partition
Dec 22 21:53:04 <SineOt> that's what I meant
Dec 22 21:53:07 <egaudet> I'm not sure the 2.0 doctor specifically -wipes- it or not
Dec 22 21:53:25 <egaudet> but the thing is the doctor's job was never "let's intentionally retain data"
Dec 22 21:53:44 <egaudet> if it can sure, but it's meant for emergencies that most people never run into
Dec 22 21:54:03 <egaudet> it's possible the 2.0 doctor formats the fat32 partition, but I dunno I'll have to play with the pre2 some
Dec 22 21:55:12 <jack87_> egaudet, http://pastebin.com/EwkkwpzK
Dec 22 21:56:04 <destinal> jack87_: have you tried metadoctoring to do a skip modem update?
Dec 22 21:56:43 <jack87_> about to build a new meta doc
Dec 22 21:57:18 <egaudet> also novaterm in and check those /tmp/palmInstallError1.log
Dec 22 21:57:30 <egaudet> and /tmp/PalmWebOsRecoveryToolLog0.log.1/2
Dec 22 21:57:49 <jack87_> egaudet, looks like i have DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE  = 1 already set
Dec 22 21:57:50 <egaudet> jack87_: what is that #786# you referenced earlier
Dec 22 21:58:22 <jack87_> RTN it is carrier hash code to wipe the phone
Dec 22 21:58:51 <jack87_> almost like a doctor internally but it removes old owners info so you can setup phone for use
Dec 22 21:59:21 <jack87_> which is probably what screwed up my modem.
Dec 22 21:59:42 <jack87_> egaudet, but thats the setting in meta doc you are referring to right?
Dec 22 21:59:59 <egaudet> yeah
Dec 22 22:00:08 <egaudet> build metadoc with that and run it command line
Dec 22 22:00:18 <jack87_> roger that
Dec 22 22:03:56 <jack87_> here it goes
Dec 22 22:04:38 <jack87_> egaudet, do tokens have anything to do with the modem?
Dec 22 22:06:15 <egaudet> not sure possibly, novaterm in and do tokens --list
Dec 22 22:06:40 <jack87_> running the meta doc now... perhaps after thins.
Dec 22 22:06:47 <jack87_> can i novaterm in recovery mode?
Dec 22 22:06:53 <egaudet> probably the DMMODEL or DMCARRIER might
Dec 22 22:07:12 <egaudet> s/probably/maybe/
Dec 22 22:07:12 <infobot> egaudet meant: maybe the DMMODEL or DMCARRIER might
Dec 22 22:07:17 <egaudet> s/might/
Dec 22 22:07:20 <egaudet> s/might///
Dec 22 22:07:21 <egaudet> s/might//
Dec 22 22:07:22 <infobot> egaudet meant: s////
Dec 22 22:07:24 <egaudet> ~~~
Dec 22 22:07:28 <jack87_> :)
Dec 22 22:07:28 <egaudet> ~~~~
Dec 22 22:07:28 <infobot> ARGH!!! STOP IT egaudet!!!
Dec 22 22:07:40 <destinal> jack87_  recovery mode is the bootloader.  you can load the installer ramdisk and novaterm into that
Dec 22 22:08:23 <destinal> novacom boot mem:// <  nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
Dec 22 22:08:35 <destinal> (while at the recovery / USB logo)
Dec 22 22:08:53 <destinal> then wait a few seconds and run novaterm
Dec 22 22:09:00 <jack87_> destinal, roger that... thank you. I shall wait for this doctor and give that a whirl
Dec 22 22:09:37 <destinal> jack87_: what are you needing to do with a recovery shell?
Dec 22 22:10:18 <jack87_> phone is not working. doctors fail at 54%... but phone may still boot but into infinite circle loop
Dec 22 22:10:45 <Loudergood> corrupt download?
Dec 22 22:10:50 <Loudergood> bad cable?
Dec 22 22:10:52 <destinal> jack87_: yeah if you make a doctor that skips modem update you should be able to doctor properly and boot all the way.
Dec 22 22:10:54 <jack87_> Loudergood, nope
Dec 22 22:11:16 <jack87_> destinal, then how do i fix it later?
Dec 22 22:11:28 <egaudet> jack87_: wait to get there first ;)
Dec 22 22:11:52 <jack87_> roger that meta doc is at 52% for a little bit for now
Dec 22 22:12:21 <jack87_> $ Open Port /dev/modemdiag Failed(2=No such file or directory)!
Dec 22 22:12:21 <jack87_> $ Error in Read Data from MODEM (TIMEOUT)!
Dec 22 22:12:33 <jack87_> i have it in the make file to skip modem update
Dec 22 22:12:40 <egaudet> pastebin it all
Dec 22 22:13:10 <jack87_> egaudet, should i wait till it fails all the way
Dec 22 22:13:36 <egaudet> if it's still going yeah
Dec 22 22:14:10 <jack87_> haha its been stuck at 52% for a bit... but hasnt quit the doctor yet
Dec 22 22:15:41 <egaudet> what's the cmd line writing? nothing?
Dec 22 22:16:05 <jack87_> just moved... now at 54% writes...
Dec 22 22:16:26 <jack87_> $ Powering On Modem in DLOAD mode...
Dec 22 22:16:26 <jack87_> $MODEM MODEL=UNKNOWN
Dec 22 22:16:26 <jack87_> update Modem Updater10
Dec 22 22:16:40 <jack87_> when it fails i will pastebin all of it
Dec 22 22:18:09 <jack87_> http://pastebin.com/VvNV5jLb   <===My make file
Dec 22 22:21:41 <jack87_> oops. i dont know why i have increase var space as i dont need it. but im sure that has nothing to do with my issues as stock doc doesnt work
Dec 22 22:23:30 <jack87_> egaudet, destinal, jar output http://pastebin.com/Ewx9X32E
Dec 22 22:23:41 <jack87_> still didnt complete the doctor :(
Dec 22 22:25:02 <egaudet> novaterm
Dec 22 22:25:03 <egaudet> tokens --list
Dec 22 22:25:36 <egaudet> you got good values?
Dec 22 22:25:53 <jack87_> hum.. novaterm doesnt seem to be connecting
Dec 22 22:26:26 <jack87_> i am in recovery mode
Dec 22 22:26:36 <egaudet> you shouldn't be
Dec 22 22:26:57 <egaudet> recovery mode is only bootie (when you see big USB symbol on screen)
Dec 22 22:27:08 <egaudet> you are well passed bootie
Dec 22 22:27:14 <egaudet> past*
Dec 22 22:27:39 <jack87_> how can i novaterm if i cant boot phone?
Dec 22 22:28:05 <egaudet> bootie recovery (vol up trick), and the novacom boot mem that destinal posted above
Dec 22 22:28:12 <egaudet> I gotta head home, I should be back in about na hour
Dec 22 22:28:13 <jack87_> oh right
Dec 22 22:29:28 <jack87_> i am doing something wrong :(
Dec 22 22:30:41 <jack87_> http://pastebin.com/nm93P7JV
Dec 22 22:31:15 <SineOt> yes
Dec 22 22:31:23 <SineOt> don't run the novacom from inside novaterm :p
Dec 22 22:32:11 <jack87_> SineOt, i did that second... first command was wrong some how to?
Dec 22 22:32:29 <SineOt> you need the full path to your uImage
Dec 22 22:32:45 <SineOt> actually looking at it
Dec 22 22:32:51 <SineOt> you have two spaces between <  nova;kjsf;lahsd
Dec 22 22:32:56 <SineOt> So I think that's tripping it up
Dec 22 22:33:47 <jack87_> nope space wasnt it.. um.. is the image on the phone or is that extracted on my HDD
Dec 22 22:33:47 <rwhitby> ice8lue2: optware testing feeds are a testing dir under the normal optware feeds
Dec 22 22:34:13 <SineOt> it should be what you extraced on your HDD
Dec 22 22:34:25 <ice8lue2> rwhitby: thank you, found them already =)
Dec 22 22:34:38 <SineOt> If you extract the Doctor itself, it's in there
Dec 22 22:37:44 <jack87_> thanks... i am in novaterm now
Dec 22 22:38:00 <SineOt> You'll want to run it outside of novaterm
Dec 22 22:38:06 <SineOt> from your computer
Dec 22 22:38:19 <jack87_> SineOt, yup :) done so
Dec 22 22:38:31 <ice8lue2> rwhitby: anything new about that testing firmware?
Dec 22 22:39:21 <jack87_> egaudet, i am no token expert ==> http://pastebin.com/eKARHzjt
Dec 22 22:41:16 <rwhitby> egaudet, destinal: there is code in the public 2.0 which shows how they are going to do OTA lvm resizing
Dec 22 22:42:22 <jack87_> SineOt, thanks by the way
Dec 22 22:42:36 <ice8lue2> there's a public 2.0 Oo
Dec 22 22:42:41 <SineOt> yeah
Dec 22 22:42:44 <rwhitby> Yes, for Pre 2
Dec 22 22:42:45 <SineOt> the SFR Pre2 doctor
Dec 22 22:42:55 <ice8lue2> ah, okay ya^^
Dec 22 22:42:55 <rwhitby> not just SFR
Dec 22 22:43:19 <SineOt> Didn't realize that the unlocked Pre2 doctors were out too
Dec 22 22:43:21 <rwhitby> Look in /usr/local/sbin/recovery - it's all laid out there showing exactly how they are going to OTA from 1.4.5 to 2.0
Dec 22 22:43:42 <rwhitby> SineOt: you need an RSS feed from the webOS Doctor Versions wiki page then ...
Dec 22 22:45:16 <jack87_> egaudet,  i dont see PalmWebOsRecoveryToolLog0.log.1/2
Dec 22 22:45:39 <jack87_> or /tmp/palmInstallError1.l
Dec 22 22:50:06 <jack87_> SineOt, full path was the trick by the way
Dec 22 22:50:14 <SineOt> Ah, cool~
Dec 22 22:51:41 <jack87_> rwhitby, do you have any insight about the modem. something went funky and phone is not working anymore
Dec 22 22:52:02 <jack87_> doctors fail and error around modem
Dec 22 22:52:04 <rwhitby> jack87_: where's the doctor stop?
Dec 22 22:52:20 <jack87_> 52-56%
Dec 22 22:52:23 <rwhitby> pastebin of the doctor log?
Dec 22 22:52:29 <jack87_> meta doctor and old ones
Dec 22 22:52:44 <jack87_> http://pastebin.com/Ewx9X32E
Dec 22 22:53:27 <rwhitby> line 338 - you're stuffed
Dec 22 22:53:41 <rwhitby> get an early doctor and try that.
Dec 22 22:54:13 <jack87_> rwhitby, early doctor 1.2.0 finished... but kept looping a screen after boot about and error in the phone never started activation
Dec 22 22:54:13 <rwhitby> (I'm assuming you're using an unmodified recent official public doctor for that log)
Dec 22 22:54:35 <rwhitby> your modem is stuffed then
Dec 22 22:54:52 <rwhitby> next step is qpst, and out of my league
Dec 22 22:54:55 <jack87_> stuffed? dead no avail?
Dec 22 22:57:29 <jack87_> rwhitby, so has nothing to do w/ tokens?
Dec 22 22:59:38 <jack87_> rwhitby, could 1.2.0 doc be too old?
Dec 22 23:01:49 * jack87_ is going to give 1.3.1 a whirl
Dec 22 23:10:57 <jack87_> rwhitby, will you read 1.3.1 stock doctor log in pastebin for me?
Dec 22 23:11:41 <jack87_> rwhitby, ==> http://pastebin.com/1XHEhvSz
Dec 22 23:13:53 <jack87_> doctor ran phone boots but is at activation circle running showing phone as offline i think it will show an error soon as it has no bars
Dec 22 23:15:59 <jack87_> "Your phone is experincing an error that cannot be resolved" loop
Dec 22 23:20:08 <NuttyBunny> Jack87: weird, it says it cannot unmount the /var filesystem
Dec 22 23:20:49 <NuttyBunny> that usually happens when you novaterm into your Pre while the Doctoring process, enter the var filesystem and don't leave it when the Doctor tries to unmount it
Dec 22 23:27:55 <jack87_> odd.. i sure am not novaterm at the momment
Dec 22 23:28:44 * jack87_ is thinking about messing with cdma workshop and qpsd
Dec 22 23:29:13 <jack87_> qpst*
Dec 22 23:33:15 <jack87_> managed to get phone to boot... but shows "phone offline" in the corner
Dec 22 23:37:52 <egaudet> rwhitby, data_save.sh does nada :P
Dec 22 23:39:49 <egaudet>  /usr/share/ota-scripts on the other hand
Dec 23 00:07:09 <Jack87>  /me wishes meta doctor enabled usb pass through as he doesn't know how to add the feature to make file
Dec 23 00:07:25 * Jack87 wishes meta doctor enabled usb pass through as he doesn't know how to add the feature to make file
Dec 23 00:10:52 <jhowirc> apply the patch
Dec 23 00:11:03 <jhowirc> it's in preware
Dec 23 00:11:18 <Jack87> jhowirc: phone is not working properly have no modem
Dec 23 00:11:30 <jhowirc> use wifi
Dec 23 00:11:49 <Jack87> nope not that either... ahh driving me crazy
Dec 23 00:12:06 <jhowirc> or manually apply the patch
Dec 23 00:13:01 <rwhitby> jack87_: what is needed for USB Pass through?
Dec 23 00:13:36 <jack87_> rwhitby, i believe it is needed for qpst
Dec 23 00:13:46 <rwhitby> no, what does the Makefile need to do
Dec 23 00:14:14 <jack87_> oh... hum good question.. whats the patch repo i will go pull it from there
Dec 23 00:14:36 <rwhitby> you need to learn how to use "make memboot-sprint mount" and then novaterm in and do stuff
Dec 23 00:16:25 <jack87_> is that same as (i.e) novacom boot mem:// < /home/jack/meta-doctor/build/pre-p100eww-sprint-2.0.1/rootfs/boot/uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
Dec 23 00:16:41 <rwhitby> that's memboot
Dec 23 00:17:11 <jack87_> cancel that
Dec 23 00:17:22 <jack87_> novacom boot mem:// < /home/jack/meta-doctor/build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/rootfs/boot/uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
Dec 23 00:17:24 <jack87_> :)
Dec 23 00:17:34 <jack87_> i am messing with 1.4.5 now
Dec 23 00:19:55 <jack87_> crap that patch just enables an icon on the launcher i am not sure what the actual command is will need to find that gimi a min sorry
Dec 23 00:22:53 <jack87_> rwhitby, this is old but i think this is it novacom boot mem:// < /home/jack/meta-doctor/build/pre-p100eww-sprint-2.0.1/rootfs/boot/uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
Dec 23 00:23:00 <jack87_> oops sorry
Dec 23 00:23:15 <Jack87> rwhitby: this is old but i think  this is it... root@castle:/# mpt d userial
Dec 23 00:24:57 <rwhitby> jack87_: can't do that in a meta-doctor
Dec 23 00:26:01 <jack87_> oh that may be different then usb passthrough then? because i think usbpassthrough is a setting no?
Dec 23 00:26:27 <jack87_> rwhitby, sorry for my ignorance although i am learning a lot (i think)
Dec 23 00:28:50 <jack87_> with meta doctor i can now boot into 1.4.5 and have dev access. but phone remains "offline" i should be able to enable it manually so not a big deal. now i just need to find some supportive info on how to manually fix the PRL settings
Dec 23 00:29:18 <jack87_> rwhitby, thats the issue right? the PRL settings are wonky?
Dec 23 00:29:55 <egaudet> jack87_, how about trying to "update PRL" in phone app?
Dec 23 00:30:20 <jack87_> egaudet, doesnt work.... top right corner says "phoneoffline" and wont do anything
Dec 23 00:30:36 <jack87_> just errors saying phone is offline
Dec 23 00:31:02 <egaudet> no clue about modem stuff sorry
Dec 23 00:31:24 <rwhitby> jack87_: I don't even know what a PRL is, so no use asking me about CDMA modem stuff.
Dec 23 00:32:07 <jack87_> rwhitby, haha almost two years now... you can tell what might be the issue even if you dont know about it
Dec 23 00:34:56 <jack87_> egaudet, did you get a chance to look at the tokens pastebin?
Dec 23 00:36:19 <egaudet> looks fine
Dec 23 00:36:53 <jack87_> oh man.. i guess thats bad news. if it was something with tokens prolly would of been easier to fix
Dec 23 00:40:40 <jack87_> cant run any MSL commands either without connection to carrier
Dec 23 00:57:47 * Jack87 feels like if he resets phone using ##RTN# things might get back in order... however... can not run RTN because MSL does not work without carrier signal. Anyone know command of RTN via terminal if possible?
Dec 23 01:02:14 <Jack87> anyone know how to ##RTN# reset using command in novaterm?
Dec 23 01:05:52 <abegee> try this cached page it may help http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?channel=iss&q=cache:f3uuRqW57y4J:www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Luna_Send
Dec 23 01:07:26 <Jack87> abegee: thanks... I dont see anything though... i wonder if SECURE Errase is same as RTN Reset
Dec 23 01:08:12 <abegee> I'd assume it is
Dec 23 01:09:52 <destinal> Jack87: I've nveer used ##RTN#, now you have me curious
Dec 23 01:11:07 <Jack87> destinal: i think it was after an RTN reset that all this went wonky. it is a pre owned pre and RTN is supposed to clear all of the previous info including phone number and "vision" login stuff. make it like new
Dec 23 01:11:52 * Jack87 is trying "Secure Full Erase" option from Device info Reset options
Dec 23 01:13:08 <Jack87> it is almost like running a doctor within the device itself and wipe... but also gets rid of previous activation info. (i think)
Dec 23 01:13:46 <Jack87> i just wish i had a way of knowing what the actual root (linux) command is being ran when you use that
Dec 23 01:13:49 <destinal> Jack87: ah, to deactivate in other words
Dec 23 01:13:51 <destinal> hmm
Dec 23 01:15:15 <destinal> ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/controllers/dialpad-assistant.js:case DialAction.RTN:
Dec 23 01:15:25 <Jack87> destinal: when i switched phones it wouldnt give me internet due to previous config of old activation to another account. but i dont know what happened in the process that it messed up my modem all together
Dec 23 01:15:38 <destinal>                                 this.controller.stageController.pushScene('poundRtn');
Dec 23 01:15:43 <Jack87> destinal: you the man...
Dec 23 01:15:57 <destinal> and that scene in turn..
Dec 23 01:16:01 <Jack87> so within that menu there is a reset options what is ebing done there
Dec 23 01:16:32 <destinal>                 QDLogger.log( "PoundRtnAssistant::doWipe", "*double-click nuke cloud* *5* *4* *3* *2* *1* *oh-no!* *pop*");
Dec 23 01:16:52 <destinal>                 TelephonyCommands.wipeDevice();
Dec 23 01:16:58 <Jack87-wIRC> really?
Dec 23 01:17:02 <destinal> yeah ,lol
Dec 23 01:17:13 <Jack87-wIRC> haha I nuked my phone
Dec 23 01:17:22 <destinal> let's see what wipedevice does
Dec 23 01:17:27 <halfhalo> lol
Dec 23 01:18:00 <destinal> Lol these are in wipedevice
Dec 23 01:18:01 <destinal> QDLogger.error( "TelephonyCommands::wipeDevice", "you are success.  a winner is you.");
Dec 23 01:18:01 <destinal> QDLogger.error( "TelephonyCommands::wipeDevice", "we are fail");
Dec 23 01:18:25 <destinal> ./usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.phone/app/models/TelephonyCommands.js
Dec 23 01:19:00 <Jack87-wIRC> wtf
Dec 23 01:19:05 <destinal> they are based on the result of THIS
Dec 23 01:19:20 <destinal>                  var request = new Mojo.Service.Request("palm://com.palm.storage/erase", {    method: 'EraseAll',
Dec 23 01:19:54 <Jack87-wIRC> so that command is the 'RTN Reset' ?
Dec 23 01:20:00 <destinal> yes
Dec 23 01:20:40 <Jack87-wIRC> intresting... haha when 'full secure errase' is finished.. looks like its taking forever and modem still not working I will do thay
Dec 23 01:21:12 <Jack87-wIRC> that's some funny/scary shit
Dec 23 01:21:27 <destinal> rwhitby: does that mean the equivalent is this?    luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.storage/erase/EraseAll {}
Dec 23 01:21:34 <abegee> how much did you spend on phone?
Dec 23 01:21:59 <Jack87-wIRC> 100
Dec 23 01:22:12 <rwhitby> destinal: yep
Dec 23 01:22:29 <sugardave> should I be able to browse the .ipk files directly at ipkg.preware.org?
Dec 23 01:22:43 <abegee> Jack87-wIRC: what where you attempting?
Dec 23 01:22:44 <rwhitby> yes, except at the moment if they are at PreCentral
Dec 23 01:22:49 <Jack87-wIRC> destinal I think that can go on wiki
Dec 23 01:22:51 <sugardave> yep, that's my issue
Dec 23 01:22:54 <sugardave> rwhitby: thanks
Dec 23 01:23:37 <destinal> Jack87-wIRC: will do.  there's some other interesting stuff here that may help you as well
Dec 23 01:23:48 <Jack87-wIRC> abeaee to turn my dev (pre owned pre) to a working on
Dec 23 01:23:58 <abegee> I need some pointers on creating a patch to overwrite a fonts file in /usr/share/fonts/
Dec 23 01:25:48 <destinal>         resetRadio: function(callback) {
Dec 23 01:25:48 <destinal>                 var request = new Mojo.Service.Request(this.svcUri, {
Dec 23 01:25:48 <destinal>             method: 'resetRadio'
Dec 23 01:26:38 <destinal> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/resetRadio {}      # would be that
Dec 23 01:26:45 <Jack87-wIRC> destinal... you rock! I knew there was stuff ike that in there but have no clue how to poke around
Dec 23 01:27:07 <destinal> ooh radioDefaultsRestore
Dec 23 01:27:40 <destinal> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/radioDefaultsRestore {}
Dec 23 01:27:46 <Jack87> destinal: sweet! this can releave a lot of grif... and stop a ton of warrenty returns as thats what others have done with my issue
Dec 23 01:27:49 <destinal> Jack87-wIRC: some of those may be helpful
Dec 23 01:29:21 <Jack87> rwhitby: for some reason i cant log into wiki page
Dec 23 01:29:33 <destinal> still trying to figure out how you actually get to the radio defaults restore in the interface
Dec 23 01:29:39 <Jack87> Error 503 Service Unavailable  Service Unavailable  Guru Meditation:  XID: 1550192780
Dec 23 01:29:58 <destinal> Jack87: the wiki is currently undergoing maintenance and will be back soon
Dec 23 01:30:11 <Jack87> destinal: roger that
Dec 23 01:30:25 <halfhalo> AKA the hamsters powering the wiki got out again
Dec 23 01:30:45 <Jack87> halfhalo: this is why he needs to be fed regularly
Dec 23 01:31:00 <destinal> gotta watch those hamsters,  good at escaping
Dec 23 01:31:20 <halfhalo> and chewing through them cables!
Dec 23 01:31:28 <Jack87> destinal: what do you mean interface? you mean within the GUI?
Dec 23 01:31:34 <destinal> Jack87: yeah
Dec 23 01:32:03 <Jack87> phone app type ##786#
Dec 23 01:32:23 <Jack87> its a "hash code"
Dec 23 01:33:48 <destinal> sure that's RTN, but defaults (the last one I sent) is under OMADM I think which is 66236  rather than 786
Dec 23 01:33:53 <Jack87> "Full Secure Errase" is taking a long time. can you check and see if it is the same as the wipe command?? its located within the device info app
Dec 23 01:34:02 * halfhalo caught the hamster
Dec 23 01:34:10 <Jack87> destinal: oh! intresting
Dec 23 01:34:36 <abegee> use cached page if needed
Dec 23 01:35:10 <Jack87> abegee: was just going to try adding destinal new found commands to wiki. (he does the hard shit figured id help how i can)
Dec 23 01:35:35 <Jack87> halfhalo: you rock
Dec 23 01:36:02 <destinal> Jack87: looks like wiki is fine now
Dec 23 01:36:06 * Jack87 pets the hamster... Stay put now
Dec 23 01:36:51 <JD82> is there a app or a way to update a prl manually with out qpst or cdma workshop?
Dec 23 01:37:17 <Jack87> "Full Secure Errase" didnt work.. must doctor again and run destinal luna commands
Dec 23 01:37:39 <Jack87> JD82: what are you trying to do
Dec 23 01:37:40 <destinal> Jack87: I'd try the radiodefaultsrestore and then the reset first
Dec 23 01:38:01 <destinal> Jack87: then the erase last which is RTN
Dec 23 01:38:09 <destinal> since I don't know really what it erases
Dec 23 01:38:39 <Jack87> destinal: thanks
Dec 23 01:38:49 <Jack87> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/radioDefaultsRestore {}
Dec 23 01:39:02 <jhowirc> lifecalls 124220
Dec 23 01:39:07 <Jack87> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/resetRadio {}
Dec 23 01:39:16 <jhowirc> I've had this phone for a while...
Dec 23 01:39:22 <destinal> Jack87: I'd try those first and restart and see if the radio works
Dec 23 01:39:22 <JD82> Jack87: install altels prl so I get beter service sprints tower where I live suxs the reps told me it's only running at 67 percent
Dec 23 01:39:27 <Jack87> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.storage/erase/EraseAll {}
Dec 23 01:39:31 <destinal> Jack87: if still not then do the eraseall
Dec 23 01:39:42 <Jack87> was puting those all out as reference for self sorry.
Dec 23 01:40:04 <destinal> Jack87: :)   good luck, have to run, back later
Dec 23 01:40:18 <Jack87> destinal: thanks have a good one see you later
Dec 23 01:40:49 <Jack87> JD82: got it.. i think you will need to use qpst haha which i need to learn to do if i cant figure my shit out
Dec 23 01:41:55 <JD82> Jack87: I understand qpst but I upgraded to a new laptop that's 64bit. there are no drivers for 64bit :-(
Dec 23 01:42:12 <Tibfib> oil: easy feature request for lumberjack. app menu item to "Email Log".
Dec 23 01:42:20 <Jack87> JD82: what about a 32Bit VM?
Dec 23 01:44:27 <jhowirc> speaking of PRL
Dec 23 01:44:34 <jhowirc> a new one is out
Dec 23 01:44:36 <JD82> Jack87 tried it no luck.. it just gets anoying having my phone on roam only all the time.
Dec 23 01:45:39 <Jack87> JD82: hum hate to say it but maybe a dualboot?
Dec 23 01:46:13 <Jack87> JD82: or find a netbook somewhere :)
Dec 23 01:46:41 <rwhitby> FYI: discussion of QPST usage is outside of the scope of this channel, unless you have a legitimate license for it
Dec 23 01:46:53 <JD82> I was considering it I have a dell 1750 with windows 7 but no xp drivers eather lol
Dec 23 01:47:40 <JD82> rwhitby: sorry about that.
Dec 23 01:48:26 <Jack87> rwhitby: haha it was like speaking of the devil huh rwhitby? but for the record he was wondering if there was manual way without using QPST
Dec 23 01:49:42 <JD82> like android you can just dl the prl and type in ##prl# to update
Dec 23 01:51:39 <Jack87> hum... i guess would need to know what the PRL update command in the phone app does and see if that can be used
Dec 23 01:51:58 <Jack87> I sure am not skilled enough to do it though :(
Dec 23 02:05:53 <Jack87> destinal-away: sad.. none of them worked... erase just reset phone and came to activation screen still no radio and the other two errored out
Dec 23 02:07:55 <Jack87> destinal-away: hum... question is what are the errors.. they might explain why radio isnt working
Dec 23 02:14:14 <Tman> ka6sox-away: ping
Dec 23 02:17:27 <destinal-pre> DieterBohn: hey
Dec 23 02:21:31 <Jack87> destinal-pre: had no luck :(... maybe when you are around we can try to figure out what error messages were for the two radio commands. wipe command reset phone to like a fresh doc but still no modem activity. I was also wondering if there would be a way to manually edit those RTN settings within command line
Dec 23 02:23:57 <Jack87> destinal-pre: root@palm-webos-device:/# luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/resetRadio {}  luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/resetRadio {} ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"Gener al error","errorCode":101}
Dec 23 02:27:45 <Jack87> rwhitby: what does this mean? ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"One of more parameters are invalid","errorCode":100}
Dec 23 02:28:08 <destinal-pre> jack87_: hmm, bad sign on the reset
Dec 23 02:28:36 <destinal-pre> Jack87: also I must have missed params for that last one
Dec 23 02:28:46 <destinal-pre> what was that last call?,
Dec 23 02:29:42 <Jack87> ResetRadio: luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/resetRadio {} ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"General error","errorCode":101}
Dec 23 02:31:21 <destinal-pre>  that was the invalid params one?
Dec 23 02:31:54 <Jack87> radioDefaultRestore:  luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.telephony/radioDefaultsRestore {} ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorText":"One of more parameters are invalid","errorCode":100}
Dec 23 02:31:56 <Jack87> Both
Dec 23 02:33:10 <Jack87> ##radio# gives me Telephony radio firmware version: unknown
Dec 23 02:33:46 <Jack87> other phone says Thelephony radio firmware version:CC1.6(35)
Dec 23 02:49:26 <Jack87> destinal-pre: think there is anyway i can tell the phone what the modem details are such as firmware version and all that fun stuff
Dec 23 02:55:00 <Tman> keep getting this when working with a hybrid app:
Dec 23 02:55:02 <Tman> error: Uncaught Error: IPC Failure. Lib out of date?
Dec 23 02:55:08 <Tman> ..and then Luna crashes
Dec 23 02:55:33 <Tman> anyone seen this before?
Dec 23 02:58:48 <Tman> it happens on calls between JS and the plugin
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