**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 23 02:59:58 2010 Dec 23 03:43:06 ka6sox, i bricked my phone modem :( Dec 23 03:43:17 ka6sox, does that fall into your experties? Dec 23 03:45:54 Jack87_ does that mean the one in the pre? Dec 23 03:47:38 yup Dec 23 03:48:04 and a doctor doesnt' fix it? Dec 23 03:48:17 nope... all flavors Dec 23 03:48:32 hardware failure...take it back Dec 23 03:48:34 sorry Dec 23 03:48:44 make sure its stock Dec 23 03:49:08 the firmware is 'unknown' for telephony. Dec 23 03:49:51 * halfhalo yawns Dec 23 04:08:32 ka6sox: we really know so little about the baseband and its another whole SoC Dec 23 04:10:08 destinal: what I suggest is to unpack the doctor with meta-doctor and look at what castle.xml is doing related to flashing the modem Dec 23 04:11:50 most likely you would have to somewhat manipulate what the dr is doing...alternatively Dec 23 04:12:05 run the doctor and capture the output...see what the error is when flashing the modem. Dec 23 04:12:33 but castle.xml controls the process. Dec 23 04:18:00 is Dec 23 04:18:15 it posible to have the doctor not check version and just flash Dec 23 04:23:16 * jack87_ not sure what he is looking for in caste and doesnt seen anything modem related Dec 23 04:23:48 castle.xml has nothing? Dec 23 04:24:35 ka6sox, http://pastebin.com/8tkFEyY6 Dec 23 04:25:07 * halfhalo eyes a random < in the code Dec 23 04:27:06 * jack87_ found some intresting lines of code in jar output from earlier Dec 23 04:27:50 Dec 22, 2010 2:49:16 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.CardController logPrint Dec 23 04:27:50 INFO: Customization: Warning! You can potentially trash your modem firmware if system loses power in the middle of updating firmware! Dec 23 04:28:15 i wonder if thats what happened. Dec 23 04:30:36 hi... Dec 23 04:30:49 my phone's screen stays on when on a call Dec 23 04:31:02 can i get direction Dec 23 04:31:59 #webos Dec 23 04:32:11 is that another channel? Dec 23 04:33:07 yes, they know about the base phone operation there... Dec 23 04:33:13 sorry...we just do enhancements :D Dec 23 04:33:59 * halfhalo provides the refreshments Dec 23 04:34:12 thanks! Dec 23 04:34:34 yw Dec 23 04:35:02 halfhalo provides comic relief Dec 23 04:35:34 I get hazard pay for that Dec 23 04:36:08 only if you are a gallagher fan Dec 23 04:36:16 (and sit in the first 3 rows) Dec 23 04:41:05 you know, I actually have my pre plugged into my computer right now Dec 23 04:41:17 I should find it Dec 23 04:42:55 halfhalo, find the pre? Dec 23 04:43:49 yes Dec 23 04:44:53 follow the cord? Dec 23 04:45:07 There are alot of cords and hubs Dec 23 04:45:23 Last time I lost a flash drive I found it in the desktop Dec 23 04:45:30 when it was connected to the mini Dec 23 04:45:30 * ka6sox pulls out my NEW hub and starts to play. Dec 23 04:45:49 * halfhalo has a usb3 hub Dec 23 04:46:39 * jack87_ is jealous Dec 23 04:47:06 * scoutcamper is back Dec 23 04:47:43 I should find the netbook and reinstall ubuntu Dec 23 04:47:49 ka6sox, http://pastebin.com/1Ag8NjFa entire log... Dec 23 04:49:13 jack87_, is modem still no-go? Dec 23 04:49:31 scoutcamper, negative :( Dec 23 04:49:38 did you try palm tech support? Dec 23 04:50:18 jack87_, okay thats interesting...it looks like the 2ond time it did configure it. Dec 23 04:50:20 sooo... Dec 23 04:50:29 did you save the tokens? Dec 23 04:51:36 huh.. kinda odd... however still doesnt work Dec 23 04:51:41 * scoutcamper votes that become a part of meta-doctor Dec 23 04:51:44 no.. cant i gram em though? Dec 23 04:51:46 saving token Dec 23 04:52:07 look at likne 206 Dec 23 04:52:10 line* Dec 23 04:52:21 209 Dec 23 04:54:54 scoutcamper, no i didnt try palm tech support. you think i should? Dec 23 04:55:22 ka6sox, you think it might be a tokens thing? i have my other phone can i extract from there? Dec 23 04:56:34 no, they are individual Dec 23 04:56:40 lemme look Dec 23 04:57:01 jack87_, worth a shot, worst thing they can do is say not our problem Dec 23 04:57:01 scoutcamper: done Dec 23 04:57:53 rwhitby, :D Dec 23 04:58:11 jack87_, pull the lates meta-doctor Dec 23 04:58:15 +t Dec 23 04:58:45 whats the pull command? i had trouble doing it yesterday Dec 23 04:58:52 git pull Dec 23 04:59:01 from the meta-doctor fir Dec 23 04:59:04 dir Dec 23 04:59:40 git pull git://git.webos-internals.org/tools/meta-doctor.git Dec 23 04:59:40 ? Dec 23 04:59:48 just git pull Dec 23 05:00:21 error: Your local changes to 'Makefile' would be overwritten by merge. Aborting. Dec 23 05:00:21 Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge Dec 23 05:01:16 i dunno why i cant pull :( Dec 23 05:01:28 i guess i can always clone Dec 23 05:01:46 will that remove my already baked drs? Dec 23 05:02:02 yes Dec 23 05:02:07 well. Dec 23 05:02:14 i guesss it doesnt matter Dec 23 05:02:19 okay...you changed Makefile Dec 23 05:02:21 move it Dec 23 05:02:24 then pull Dec 23 05:02:28 then push it bak Dec 23 05:02:34 (move it back) Dec 23 05:02:37 oh wait Dec 23 05:02:39 don't do that Dec 23 05:03:07 git reset? Dec 23 05:03:11 pull, look @ makefile in case there is a new option (which there probably is) and then make it match (plus new option) Dec 23 05:03:33 just move your Makefile out of the way Dec 23 05:03:35 then pull Dec 23 05:03:43 * ka6sox pulls too Dec 23 05:04:48 * rwhitby mentions "git stash" Dec 23 05:05:06 * ka6sox listes to rwhitby Dec 23 05:05:11 listens Dec 23 05:05:31 haha ya i just moved build dir and download and moved back Dec 23 05:05:44 rwhitby: i must have missed a preware update as it seems on my pre2, i get an error with preware stating "Not permitted to send to org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" - recommendation ? Dec 23 05:06:02 this seems to be saying i am on 1.5.0 Dec 23 05:06:14 that means you don't have the ls2 role files Dec 23 05:06:20 bpadalino, there is a 1.5.1 Dec 23 05:06:24 try a reboot Dec 23 05:06:35 will it auto back up tokens? should i start the make? Dec 23 05:06:37 alrighty Dec 23 05:07:02 "make backup" is what saves the tokens (and everything else on the device) Dec 23 05:07:19 i also noted that it's about 60 seconds for bootup .. they must have set a requirement for this bootup for that time Dec 23 05:08:13 * scoutcamper wonders where that linux hyperboot went Dec 23 05:09:12 rwhitby, ahh! Dec 23 05:09:27 jack87_, ? Dec 23 05:10:17 rwhitby: seems correct that the ls2 role files are not installed .. seems weird Dec 23 05:10:46 bpadalino, how did u install it? Dec 23 05:10:55 palm-install? WOSQI? Dec 23 05:11:14 git reset --hard is what it is... Dec 23 05:11:14 :p Dec 23 05:11:18 well, it worked before .. i think the 1.5.0 update may have hosed it? Dec 23 05:11:30 ka6sox, run new doctor? Dec 23 05:11:42 bpadalino, mine worked at 1.5.0, and is still working with 1.5.1 Dec 23 05:11:45 examine the tokens first Dec 23 05:11:50 * halfhalo pulled new metadoctor as well to get his pre up and running with the tokens for it which he never got around to finishing Dec 23 05:12:19 when i do a ipkg files for preware, i don't see any role files installed ? Dec 23 05:13:12 ka6sox, tokens --list? Dec 23 05:13:41 if its saving the tokens it should be on your computre Dec 23 05:13:48 oh wow Dec 23 05:14:13 ka6sox, oh it saved tokens from the stock doctor Dec 23 05:14:16 it looks like org.webosinternals.ipkgservice just disappeared and is no longer in /var/usr/sbin Dec 23 05:15:11 okay look for SN_modem Dec 23 05:15:21 is it there? Dec 23 05:15:42 inside build Dir?... im looking for it hum.. Dec 23 05:22:46 rwhitby, i am not sure where the tokens are being pulled to Dec 23 05:23:48 look in the clones directory Dec 23 05:26:22 rwhitby, ka6sox http://pastebin.com/87MfB5dL Dec 23 05:26:46 awww, metadoctor does not like me today Dec 23 05:27:29 the mojodb and filecache are 2.0 stuff Dec 23 05:27:50 the others are bad. you did this immediately after a recovery boot and memload? Dec 23 05:29:01 rwhitby, no havent done recovery boot or mem load Dec 23 05:29:10 should i just reboot? Dec 23 05:29:13 "You have specified an invalid DEVICE and CARRIER combination" Descriptive... now how the hell do I make you go away error Dec 23 05:29:25 specify a valid combination? Dec 23 05:30:57 oh, it would help if I spelt vzw correctly, now to edit/remove the pre vs preplus check for vzw Dec 23 05:31:19 why would you remove that? Dec 23 05:31:37 because its a comswapped device Dec 23 05:32:41 rwhitby, i keep getting that error. just rebooted phone. Dec 23 05:34:26 * halfhalo got it working Dec 23 05:43:04 rwhitby, can meta doctor make a doctor to ignore modem version check and just flash? Dec 23 05:43:50 jack87_, memboot the phone to recovery mode, then doctor it Dec 23 05:51:03 *cricket *cricket Dec 23 05:53:21 ~oil Dec 23 05:53:21 [oil] a viscus substance that makes mice not squeak Dec 23 06:00:08 * scoutcamper pokes halfhalo and says make fluffy get a snuggie :D Dec 23 06:02:05 start discussion someone Dec 23 06:06:29 fluffy learned a new trick Dec 23 06:06:51 * scoutcamper wants to see Dec 23 06:06:56 scoutcamper: here's a discussion: how to recalibrate the accelerometer on a device which has had it's tokens wiped Dec 23 06:07:31 umm, all the deices i have have nearly identical accelerometer tokens Dec 23 06:07:39 just take one from the same model device and use it Dec 23 06:08:25 fluffy now can take in a url and can download that feed to check it Dec 23 06:16:02 scoutcamper, am booted into mem boot still no modem Dec 23 06:16:42 jack87_, describe what you are doing to everyone, idk, im out of ideas Dec 23 06:17:29 haha im sure you all are sick of me by now... running doctor while in memboot Dec 23 06:18:00 lol, no, im just reaaly tired Dec 23 07:01:24 there is talk about modem repair requiring 1.0.3 doctor Dec 23 07:18:37 feeling kinda stupid, but is there a way to get the screen lock from when you push the power button with the slide closed to not turn on? Dec 23 07:19:11 KittyHeather, I dont think so... but i could be totally wrong Dec 23 07:19:56 i know if screen turns off and you hit button pretty quick it usually isnt locked Dec 23 07:20:07 peeps is there a patch for that? Dec 23 07:20:24 bah ... i was hoping someone may have cracked that ... i'm having to replace my pre after three months because the springs are weakening from opening and closing it too often to just get it lit without having to drag the lock button Dec 23 08:37:46 morning =) Dec 23 08:43:10 ~ Dec 23 09:00:56 hola Dec 23 09:02:27 jack87_: any luck with anything? Dec 23 09:02:47 destinal, not at all :(... although i did just find this... Dec 23 09:03:00 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/185980-phone-phone-offline-mode-8.html#post2674345 Dec 23 09:03:23 also other reports of using older doctor 1.0.3 and some cdma hackery Dec 23 09:06:48 destinal, that seems a little promising and easier than qpst Dec 23 09:08:20 could you help me with an usb problem? i put the usb cable into my pc and choose the usb hdd mode onto my pre. it enters this mode for a short time, pc recognizes the flash drive but then the phone goes back to loading mode Dec 23 09:08:34 same behavior on my netbook Dec 23 09:10:01 destinal, that file talked about in that post is 0byts :-? Dec 23 09:12:02 i found castlecdma_evt1_fw inside the webos.tar and seems to have all the modem FW info in it. maybe i can force flash it with that Dec 23 09:13:19 jack87_: you should be able to boot the installer image and run the same update command the doctor does Dec 23 09:13:57 destinal, not suer how :-/ Dec 23 09:14:20 me neither offhand Dec 23 09:15:01 hey, has anyone here been successful in meta-doctoring the webos 2.0 doctor for Bell? Dec 23 09:15:06 could my problem be connected to the new 1.5.0 optware bootstrap? Dec 23 09:15:12 using the Sprint doctor Dec 23 09:15:57 ice8lue, i doubt it. but i dunno how to resolve it Dec 23 09:16:11 ice8lue, most likely a patch Dec 23 09:16:26 have deinstalled it now, will see if that works Dec 23 09:17:40 hmm..no it didn't Dec 23 09:20:50 destinal, its looking good! unless my phone blows up Dec 23 09:20:59 scary count down haha Dec 23 09:21:08 i'm going to guess the 2.0 webos won't work on the 1.4 phones, right? Dec 23 09:21:34 the one thats out to the public is for pre2 Dec 23 09:21:37 jack87_: what are you doing now? Dec 23 09:22:09 waiting for flash to complete i will give you a paste bin.. intresting stuff. Dec 23 09:22:40 oh shit! Dec 23 09:22:42 it worked! Dec 23 09:22:54 jack87_: ah, sconix / guyfromnam method? Dec 23 09:23:35 ya that one Dec 23 09:23:44 but different tar file as i am on a cdma phone Dec 23 09:23:46 http://pastebin.com/T1EaxQkx Dec 23 09:24:25 -f forces it i believe... so it doesnt check the firmware Dec 23 09:24:45 I can't seem to get Meta-Doctor to remove carrier restrictions on the doctor Dec 23 09:24:48 nice it worked hehe i am excited Dec 23 09:25:22 I'm getting, ../../build/tools/jad-linux/jad: cannot execute binary file Dec 23 09:26:01 Oh wait, that's probably java Dec 23 09:27:06 well destinal atleast we know how to force flash modem now... I am thinking about writing up a wiki with credit to sconix & guyfromnam of course Dec 23 09:27:34 jack87_: that would be awesome Dec 23 09:27:38 jack87_: congrats Dec 23 09:28:18 jack87_: did you figure out what went wrong, did it die in the middle of an update before or something? Dec 23 09:28:21 maybe we will leave that for tomorrow. but wow i am glad to have that over with i was about to give up. good thing you came along. pushed me to try the last thing Dec 23 09:28:44 i think it dided in the middle of RTN which is like running the doctor just witin the device itself Dec 23 09:28:59 line 4 in the pastebin haha Dec 23 09:29:28 haha engrish Dec 23 09:29:49 speaking of which i am going to see if the old owners info is still there.. should all be gone i hope Dec 23 09:30:33 yup all gone god that was a bitch Dec 23 09:31:30 jack87_: where were you seeing old owner info before even after doctor? Dec 23 09:31:49 yes Dec 23 09:32:01 if phone is activated the first activation info remains Dec 23 09:32:03 i was trying to update uberkernel through preware...doesn't work too... it freezes at the "Kernel confirmed to be compatible..."-screen Dec 23 09:32:26 so when i switched the device to my main device since it had old owner's info it wouldnt let me have internet Dec 23 09:32:34 if you go into device info you can see it all there Dec 23 09:32:54 jack87_: where is activation info held though and how can you view it, then what's the best way to erase it? a wiki article covering this on Reusing Activated Pre's or something would be very handy Dec 23 09:33:22 number had old owner's number in it and in more info at the bottom NAI had old owners sprint "vision" info Dec 23 09:33:52 and the other wiki article that would be good of course is the fixing modem firmware by forcing flash Dec 23 09:34:01 RTN should let you re use it.. (remember nuke you found) but my phone lost power during it i think Dec 23 09:34:19 ya will write em up i think tomorrow when i am at the office Dec 23 09:34:38 MSL is required though... Dec 23 09:34:57 sprint gives you your MSL if you swap phones using their online interface Dec 23 09:35:01 jack87_: well I think you can bypass need for MSL Dec 23 09:35:08 if you call services directly, right? Dec 23 09:35:14 destinal, ya that is true with what you found earlier Dec 23 09:35:22 we will have to try it. Dec 23 09:36:11 oh wait.. MSL is still required to manually input your own phone number.. but those instructions are usually given by sprint when you add phone to your account. Dec 23 09:36:22 so you fixed it jack87_ ? Dec 23 09:36:27 i dunno how vzw does it Dec 23 09:36:39 rwhitby-pre, ya like 5min ago.. fix took less the 3min Dec 23 09:37:02 rwhitby-pre, had to force flash the FW extracted FW tar from webos.tar Dec 23 09:37:17 rwhitby-pre, the command was PmModemUpdater -f no CDMA hackery needed Dec 23 09:37:42 please put that on the recovery wiki page Dec 23 09:38:00 rwhitby-pre, will do thats what i was just talking to destinal about Dec 23 09:38:38 rwhitby-pre, here is pastebin if you get around to checking it out http://pastebin.com/T1EaxQkx Dec 23 09:38:57 rwhitby-pre, there is a different FW tar for GSM phones as well. Dec 23 09:39:27 yep Dec 23 09:39:42 the cause is loss of power (as line 4 on that pastebin shows) during a restore (doctor or otherwise) Dec 23 09:40:51 jack87_: you "potentially trashed your modem firmware" since "system lost the power" Dec 23 09:40:53 :) Dec 23 09:41:43 I will write up wiki for both how to clear old user activation and force flash modem firmware at work tomorrow.. now time to wind down by being my annoying self Dec 23 09:41:46 I'm a little surprised that it didn't become a brick Dec 23 09:41:59 must have failsafe mechanisms built in Dec 23 09:42:11 destinal, haha i was expecting a brick myself.. i was going to be proud of it since "you cant brick pre" Dec 23 09:42:32 jack87_: well the pre wouldn't have been bricked but the modem I imagine could be Dec 23 09:42:38 or so I thought Dec 23 09:42:45 well it kept acknowledging the modem just fw version was unknown Dec 23 09:43:13 in all the diagnostics we ran if you recall Dec 23 09:43:41 *nods* Dec 23 09:43:42 egaudet, thanks again for your help earlier... finally reflashed the damn thing FYI :) Dec 23 09:44:28 rwhitby-pre: do you have an idea on my problem? installing/de-installing apps/... via preware doesn't work anymore too Dec 23 09:44:32 i liked those commands you found! would love to find more for diff hash codes Dec 23 09:45:02 ice8lue, for all apps or just some? Dec 23 09:45:55 for all i tried so far. updating uberkernel stays at the kernel confirmed and so on screen, de-installing preware in launcher did nothing Dec 23 09:45:59 if PreCentral apps, it's cause their feed is down. Dec 23 09:46:20 yes, but UK is on your feed right? Dec 23 09:46:43 yes Dec 23 09:46:57 what does tail -f /var/log/messages say? Dec 23 09:46:58 ice8lue, all depends on the individual app on what feed it happens to be on i believe? Dec 23 09:47:04 also usb flashdrive mode isnt working Dec 23 09:47:53 hm i think i destroyed something while de-installing optware (installer, bootstrap and nano) Dec 23 09:52:29 destinal, i am scared to restart the phone.. haha but i should Dec 23 09:52:36 see if it is consistent Dec 23 09:52:55 by the way.... when modem fw was funky device didnt charge either... just FYI Dec 23 09:53:19 yep, charging goes through modem chip Dec 23 09:53:32 destinal, i remember when working on MyTether to bypass some of the thing palm did in 1.2.1? wouldnt charge Dec 23 09:55:25 rwhitby-pre, haha battery lasted all day though.. well. not really i had to replace it right before i tried the fix that finally worked (was at 23%) but amazing what battery can do without cell radio Dec 23 09:55:50 can go for a week Dec 23 09:55:55 but ya screen was on half the time or even more. so thats good to know Dec 23 09:56:15 rwhitby-pre, i guess you're the expert on that (for times before GSM Pre) Dec 23 09:58:57 rebooted and still have cell signal yeppie Dec 23 09:59:25 rwhitby-pre, do they call them cellphones there? Dec 23 10:08:05 goodnight/morning all Dec 23 10:09:18 sometimes I hate git... Dec 23 10:09:32 its trying to push to the wrong repo...and I can't make it stop :P Dec 23 10:10:14 *and* the .git/config is right Dec 23 10:10:24 so /me gives up on pushing the changes Dec 23 10:10:30 -/usr/bin/git --stop-doing-it-wrong Dec 23 10:10:53 ok, re-installed optware stuff using qi and install / de-install of apps works again Dec 23 10:12:40 weird Dec 23 10:13:51 if -anyone- knows of how to successfully remove the carrier check from the sprint 2.0.1 doctor for bell, i would absolutely loooove to hear from you :P Dec 23 10:15:13 use REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK in meta-doctor Dec 23 10:16:00 and I do have to modify the makefile in the sprint/pre section for version 2.0.1, correct? Dec 23 10:17:34 basically, change VERSION = 1.4.5 to VERSION = 2.0.1 Dec 23 10:17:41 or make my own IF block Dec 23 10:18:37 rwhitby-pre, can he swap bell tar w/ sprint tar? or will it not work? matbee prolly not good to talk about eap stuff here Dec 23 10:22:25 matbee: we can only support publicly available doctors here Dec 23 10:22:47 I see Dec 23 10:22:57 I figured that would come up Dec 23 10:44:37 you know its bad when #git can't figure it out. Dec 23 11:01:09 usb mode still not working =0( Dec 23 11:08:31 nobody? Dec 23 11:10:41 3am on the left coast 6am on east coast(no coffee yet) Dec 23 11:11:00 ^^ Dec 23 11:17:03 i ran EPR now....it's definitly not a patch Dec 23 11:25:38 hrmpf, dont wanna have to doctor it again Dec 23 11:36:29 How do I log onto a new Palm Profile? Dec 23 11:39:01 find and remove ran-first-use and reboot Dec 23 11:39:09 actually Dec 23 11:39:38 stop LunaSysMgr; start LunaSysMgr Dec 23 11:40:37 oh right Dec 23 11:41:15 (after removing that file) Dec 23 11:45:56 lets see how she goes Dec 23 11:47:16 gl Dec 23 11:50:51 the luna restart didnt quite work Dec 23 11:51:06 so lets try a reboot :P Dec 23 11:51:33 hmmm worked for me ...wonder why not Dec 23 11:59:09 i must have not removed it or something, having novaterm troubles, it crashes for every keystroke :P Dec 23 12:03:02 yep i just screwed up somewhere Dec 23 12:03:07 now it worked, thanks Dec 23 12:04:04 yq Dec 23 12:04:07 er yw Dec 23 13:57:12 porn Dec 23 13:57:20 porn Dec 23 16:34:40 I've recently meta-doctored my pre, and, I accidentally enabled the 'skip first run'. After re-running this, my App Catalog and Preware have disappeared Dec 23 16:34:45 does anyone know why? Dec 23 16:36:14 sconix, boy do i wish you were around yesterday... i saw you reflashed modem with old firmware before Dec 23 16:37:21 arent you supposed to skip it? and run it later? Dec 23 16:40:49 is that to me or sconix ? Dec 23 16:46:37 you Dec 23 16:47:35 i dont know.. Dec 23 16:52:03 i rebooted and now the app catalog is back Dec 23 16:52:05 (weird) Dec 23 17:44:41 Blah... Work... I don't want to go. Dec 23 17:45:13 haha Dec 23 17:46:01 halfhalo: you are not from ut are you? Dec 23 17:46:14 noope Dec 23 17:46:34 I live in the wonderfull usually sunny Southern California Dec 23 17:46:40 you are the one that went to tron last week right? Dec 23 17:46:45 yup Dec 23 17:47:54 ok... my GF dad was telling me how they watched originalTron @ work on projector and went to watch movie for work @ theater Dec 23 17:48:11 heh... I did that Dec 23 17:48:35 he is a software engineer. so ya... made me think of you. incase you work w/ him Dec 23 17:48:39 * oilsworkn watched OG tron again a few days ago in preparation Dec 23 17:49:18 * Jack87-wIRC watched OG tron after new Tron Dec 23 17:49:36 the new tron game is prequal to movie Dec 23 17:49:43 * halfhalo did og the day before new Dec 23 17:50:06 how was tron legacy? I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet Dec 23 17:50:14 but the original one was entertaining Dec 23 17:50:28 its all lights and sound Dec 23 17:50:35 Which is not a bad thing in this case Dec 23 17:50:36 gkatsev: maybe just as entertaining Dec 23 17:50:44 heh Dec 23 17:50:46 * oilsworkn hopes a new picture of "tron guy" with updated suit makes it onto the internets Dec 23 17:50:51 lol Dec 23 17:52:09 halfhalo: I think you have a bizaro world of your work here in utah Dec 23 17:52:22 so the current news is what, hp/palm wont be showing new stuff at ces? Dec 23 17:52:26 poor halfhalo Dec 23 17:52:39 * halfhalo doesn't live in ut so its all good Dec 23 17:53:31 oilsworkn: haha is the the news ever reliable from palm?... Dec 23 17:53:37 hp palm have private rooms on the second story above the show floor, not booths. Dec 23 17:53:56 There may, or may not be new stuff. And seeing the new stuff may, or may not depend on who you are. Dec 23 17:53:58 yupyup Dec 23 17:54:07 * halfhalo asked for an invite and didn't hear back Dec 23 17:54:08 Rick_work: is that good or bad? Dec 23 17:54:10 but is halfhalo invited to "secret secondfloor meetings"? Dec 23 17:55:41 it may, or may not be good or bad, and I can neither confirm nor deny that I might or might not have information which might tend, or might not tend to make be believe one way or the other on it's goodness or baddness. Such questions must be address to Oliver Long Ears, Legal Department, division of goodness and badness, Santa Industries, North Pole, Terran Polar Internation Region Dec 23 17:55:46 anyone know how to boot to recovery mode w/ out vol up? Dec 23 17:55:55 no Dec 23 17:56:45 Jack87-wIRC: yes. You rewrite the bootloader to allow you to boot into recovery mode w/out vol up. Dec 23 17:57:50 lol Dec 23 17:58:04 LOLZERS!!!1!1!!1!1 Dec 23 17:58:32 is the possible to be implemented into metadoctor? Dec 23 17:58:48 * gkatsev has no idea Dec 23 17:59:06 * gkatsev is just making shit up. Dec 23 17:59:08 Rick_work: thanks :) Dec 23 17:59:39 Though, writing a custom bootloader will let you do that. Whether you can get a custom boot loader to work is a different story. Dec 23 17:59:47 gkatsev: when you say rewrite the bootloader do you mean mess with bootie? Dec 23 18:00:25 is the precentral ipkg feed still busted or is it just bad luck for me? Dec 23 18:00:51 let me try Dec 23 18:01:08 my phone was a refurb with crappy vol up.. that finally failed. so annoying. it was like 5th replacment but everything else worked s I felt with it Dec 23 18:01:27 delt* Dec 23 18:02:22 gkatsev: so such a thing has not been done? Dec 23 18:04:12 I found this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Boot_Chain Dec 23 18:04:32 robi_: thanks for checking, but I got to jet Dec 23 18:04:35 sugardave_pre: no errors Dec 23 18:04:43 ah, okay Dec 23 18:04:46 thanks Dec 23 18:04:51 you got it Dec 23 18:12:31 gkatsev: thanks!.. I will browse it soon Dec 23 19:10:49 heyo Dec 23 19:27:11 b3ll: hi Dec 23 19:27:18 sup Dec 23 19:27:23 hio Dec 23 19:48:45 Hi all Dec 23 19:49:16 Hello Dec 23 19:49:24 hi Dec 23 19:49:30 hi Dec 23 20:11:38 * Jack87-Work needs to start writing wiki for modem FW flash... anyone want to get it started for me? please.... and i can add the info Dec 23 20:11:53 i think rwhitby wanted it to go with "recovery wiki?" Dec 23 20:15:42 Jack87-Work: most important thing is to get it down even if it's on it's own page and linked from the recovery page Dec 23 20:15:53 whatever makes sense to you. Dec 23 20:17:03 destinal-pre: sounds good.. I am not sure how to create a new page.. :-? i can do the rest Dec 23 20:17:48 if you just type the url of the nonexistent page it'll let you create it Dec 23 20:17:58 if you are logged in Dec 23 20:18:32 i did some more research found that sconix wrote it up to use rebel sim cards for GSM phones long ago... thanks sconix! Dec 23 20:18:40 destinal-pre: roger that thanks Dec 23 20:28:38 * Jack87-Work_ just created his first wiki page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Dec 23 20:28:56 haha working on writing How to Dec 23 20:45:22 hello, just installed Preware on my PPP via WebOSQuickInstaller and it says that I the service is not running even after a restart. Any suggestions? Dec 23 20:46:19 what version did you install? Dec 23 20:46:31 PPP = palm pre plus? palm pixi plus? Dec 23 20:46:38 xD Dec 23 20:46:39 it was through the feed on the installer, let me check Dec 23 20:46:53 lol Palm Pre Plus, sorry Dec 23 20:47:09 if you hold the opt key and tap preware it should tell you which version Dec 23 20:47:30 1.5.0, says the app Dec 23 20:47:47 hm Dec 23 20:48:39 you could try opt+tap remove preware Dec 23 20:48:43 and reinstall Dec 23 20:48:56 i'll try that, thanks Dec 23 20:49:15 my only other suggestion if that doesnt work is to install the SDK Dec 23 20:49:21