**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 02:59:58 2010 Dec 24 03:06:11 * halfhalo yawns Dec 24 03:11:51 * halfhalo notes that autobuilder/feedbuilder has a bug right now Dec 24 03:26:35 halfhalo, yeah, it has been that way for 2 days Dec 24 03:59:22 knock knock Dec 24 04:21:30 Jack87, yes? Dec 24 04:23:31 its so quiet! scary Dec 24 04:25:11 * halfhalo wrote a new script since he is lazy Dec 24 04:25:59 halfhalo, make a controversial statement Dec 24 04:26:05 wrapper for palm-install that can install stuff from http urls Dec 24 04:26:31 is cool but not controversial Dec 24 04:26:47 damn straight Dec 24 04:28:14 * halfhalo is changing it to allow for searching of feeds Dec 24 04:28:39 halfhalo, you should be fixing preware feed :D Dec 24 04:29:29 bah Dec 24 04:29:36 s/preware/precentral/ Dec 24 04:29:37 scoutcamper meant: halfhalo, you should be fixing precentral feed :D Dec 24 04:29:44 bah x2 Dec 24 04:29:50 lol Dec 24 04:30:16 im going to have to doctor my phone as new optware broke usb mode, and i want my apps :D Dec 24 04:30:21 haha Dec 24 04:31:09 and i cant open any apps when usb connected Dec 24 04:32:21 its optware, whachagonnado Dec 24 04:32:56 show it my webos doctor and hope that scares it into submission Dec 24 04:34:23 oil, r u working on optware or is it just rwhitby? Dec 24 04:35:38 what broke in optware? Dec 24 04:36:37 idk, i just know that it did, look here, http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/271503-optware-webos-2-0-a.html Dec 24 04:38:19 do a killall sshd until the fix is in? Dec 24 04:39:12 am trying killall Dec 24 04:39:17 i allready tried pkill Dec 24 04:39:49 killall sshd Dec 24 04:39:50 sshd: no process killed Dec 24 04:40:05 thats from my terminal Dec 24 04:41:35 * halfhalo dunnos Dec 24 04:48:44 halfhalo, how do i list processes? Dec 24 04:49:34 it tries to load usb mode, then it stops and reloads luna Dec 24 04:52:40 ps ? Dec 24 04:56:16 bpadalino, i oly saw 1 thing, ps Dec 24 04:56:42 ps auxw Dec 24 04:57:32 interesting, no sshd Dec 24 04:59:24 whoops Dec 24 04:59:29 ? Dec 24 05:00:14 no sshd! Dec 24 05:01:39 destinal: I FORGOT ABOUT THIS.... that kind of app can be handy for the wiki you asked me to write about using pre-owned/activated phones Dec 24 05:01:42 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/194783-used-webos-dr-now-i-cant-sign-into-profile.html#post1778265 Dec 24 05:02:19 i remember that in webos quick install there was a secret menu you go into about page and type the word nova Dec 24 05:02:49 i dont think it ever functioned though Dec 24 05:02:59 bpadalino, is there a way to start sshd? Dec 24 05:03:38 not sure - it isn't a standard install, right ? Dec 24 05:03:47 start sshd ? Dec 24 05:03:54 if it's an upstart script or whatever Dec 24 05:04:14 start sshd Dec 24 05:04:15 start: (01070/862680664) Unknown job: sshd Dec 24 05:04:25 did you install it separately ? Dec 24 05:04:29 no Dec 24 05:04:37 all i have is the bootstrap Dec 24 05:04:45 sshd isn't on the device by default Dec 24 05:05:20 then, why would my device not be having usb mode? if sshd is the issue, then not having it should not be an issue, right? Dec 24 05:05:37 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/271503-optware-webos-2-0-a.html Dec 24 05:05:41 i don't follow your reasoning Dec 24 05:06:50 in that thread, it says sshd is what is causing usb mode to not work, i never installed sshd, thus, it should not have broken usb mode Dec 24 05:07:49 optware is trying to hold /media/internal/ open and that is preventing us from usb-mode Dec 24 05:07:53 try to unmount /media/internal and see if you get an error Dec 24 05:08:02 * Jack87 installed optware but too scared to install anything now Dec 24 05:08:26 Jack87, does your usb mode work? Dec 24 05:08:53 i guess i havent tried yet.. Dec 24 05:09:16 im installing ssh to see if killing it will fix it Dec 24 05:09:37 nope usb is not working Dec 24 05:09:52 using sft via usbnet can work for now Dec 24 05:10:21 usb drive that is sorry i figured i'd clear that up Dec 24 05:10:34 bpadalino, i installed ssh and then did killall sshd and my usb mode is still broken Dec 24 05:10:53 try unmounting /media/internal and see what's holding it up Dec 24 05:11:18 bpadalino, whats the command? Dec 24 05:12:07 umount /media/internal i believe Dec 24 05:12:32 /bin/sh: unmount: not found Dec 24 05:12:41 umount, not unmount Dec 24 05:12:43 ohh, umount Dec 24 05:13:03 umount /media/internal Dec 24 05:13:04 umount: can't umount /media/internal: Device or resource busy Dec 24 05:13:18 that's why usb mode doesn't work Dec 24 05:13:39 is there a way to see why? Dec 24 05:13:43 maybe you can use optware to install lsof Dec 24 05:13:48 and see what files are open Dec 24 05:13:52 k Dec 24 05:13:58 or.. Dec 24 05:14:06 command? (im really bad with optware) Dec 24 05:14:06 type mount and see if you see anything in /media/internal .. Dec 24 05:14:11 oh i have no idea Dec 24 05:14:48 /dev/mapper/store-media on /media/internal type vfat (rw,fmask=0000,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro) Dec 24 05:15:47 thats it for media/internal Dec 24 05:17:22 some other file must be open .. not sure how to check it on the device .. Dec 24 05:17:36 but even tho you don't have ssh installed, something else must have it open Dec 24 05:18:17 yeah, even after un-installing optware, and rebooting us is still broken Dec 24 05:18:24 s/us/usb/ Dec 24 05:18:26 scoutcamper meant: yeah, even after un-installing optware, and rebooting usb is still broken Dec 24 05:19:46 can you see something in /media/internal ? Dec 24 05:19:52 ls /media/internal Dec 24 05:20:00 yep Dec 24 05:20:08 all my files Dec 24 05:20:50 and you press opt+sym+usb and? (I came late) :) Dec 24 05:21:17 NuttyBunny, it shows the usb mode screen for like 1 second, then reloads luna Dec 24 05:21:32 NuttyBunny: opt+sym+usb? how do you press usb? Dec 24 05:21:45 hehehe.. usb = "U" ;) Dec 24 05:21:50 scoutcamper: i second that Dec 24 05:21:53 opt+sym+U Dec 24 05:21:56 NuttyBunny: ROGGER Dec 24 05:22:23 ok, type the following in your novaterm: Dec 24 05:22:31 tail -f /var/log/messages Dec 24 05:22:40 then, try to enter usb mode Dec 24 05:22:47 and see what errors it shows Dec 24 05:23:06 * Jack87 is watching movies on linux computer... and ircing on windows Dec 24 05:23:24 * halfhalo is learning how to use CanCan Dec 24 05:23:49 can you force unmount? Dec 24 05:24:16 NuttyBunny, http://pastebin.com/W986zM8B Dec 24 05:24:36 * NuttyBunny reads Dec 24 05:25:06 i can paste more if needed Dec 24 05:25:51 I assume you are NOT under /media/internal (in your novaterm) while you're trying to mount usb, right? Dec 24 05:26:01 right d: Dec 24 05:26:07 * Jack87 glad scoutcamper is showing paste bins as he doesnt want to novacom in windows Dec 24 05:27:13 oh cool... chrome has pastebin extention now Dec 24 05:27:34 yeah Dec 24 05:28:53 i am so not used to the new phone app color Dec 24 05:29:16 scoutcamper: Is there anything before the last pastebin? Dec 24 05:29:26 yes Dec 24 05:29:30 loads Dec 24 05:30:47 this is all that my terminal gives me, http://pastebin.com/nVrYQckm Dec 24 05:30:54 could you post a bit more? I'm trying to find the error, in the meantime I'm also trying to look what does the phone do when you go to usb mode. I found it sometime ago Dec 24 05:36:07 NuttyBunny, http://pastebin.com/nVrYQckm Dec 24 05:36:14 scoutcamper: Another question, do you see files with internalz or in the photo/music/docs app? Dec 24 05:36:38 NuttyBunny, internalz doesnt work on 2.0 so ... Dec 24 05:37:14 ok, but in the other apps? Dec 24 05:37:17 but my music app is hosed Dec 24 05:37:29 so is photo Dec 24 05:37:39 and quickoffice Dec 24 05:37:43 NuttyBunny: i just installed the new alpha optware on a fresh 2.0.1 doctored phone have same issue as scoutcamper Dec 24 05:38:44 NuttyBunny, none of those apps work Dec 24 05:38:52 yeah, that's it Dec 24 05:38:53 hold on Dec 24 05:38:55 k Dec 24 05:39:25 type mount and look for the line containing optware, paste it here Dec 24 05:39:42 (I don't have alpha optware yet, but I think I got this) Dec 24 05:40:13 Rod says in his post that optware is mounted under /media/internal/.optware/optware.ext3 Dec 24 05:40:35 so, when you want to unmount /media/internal, you can't because that's still mounted Dec 24 05:41:14 so, as a test, just: /sbin/umount /media/internal/.optware/optware.ext3 Dec 24 05:41:19 i dont see optware anymorewhere Dec 24 05:41:19 http://pastebin.com/i3uAedWi Dec 24 05:41:23 and try to enter usb mode Dec 24 05:41:30 mmm.. Dec 24 05:41:37 maybe im blind Dec 24 05:41:45 NuttyBunny, http://pastebin.com/qtutyKUZ Dec 24 05:42:33 umount /media/internal/.optware/optware.ext3 Dec 24 05:42:33 umount: can't umount /media/internal/.optware/optware.ext3: Invalid argument Dec 24 05:42:40 Jack87: no, no, you're right Dec 24 05:42:58 scoutcamper: yep, it won't work.. argh, I'll have to install optware alpha to test :) Dec 24 05:43:04 :D Dec 24 05:43:18 whats /dev/loop0 on /opt type ext3 (rw,data=ordered) mean? Dec 24 05:44:09 maybe that's the one, it's a loopback device, you can mount anything under a loopback device Dec 24 05:44:14 try unmounting that Dec 24 05:44:19 umount /opt Dec 24 05:44:32 photo app doesnt work either to browse photos Dec 24 05:44:48 nope, umount /opt didnt help Dec 24 05:45:01 me either Dec 24 05:45:05 ok, I'll install that and take a look, hold on :) Dec 24 05:45:09 ok Dec 24 05:45:32 optware alpha disables any app that uses meda/internal partition Dec 24 05:45:40 media* Dec 24 05:45:52 did you guys read this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/271503-optware-webos-2-0-a.html#post2806093 ? :) Dec 24 05:46:58 NuttyBunny, yes, but closing sshd doesnt work, and i need usb mode, would rather not doctor as precentral feed is dead :( Dec 24 05:47:01 ya... doesnt hurt to do our part Dec 24 05:47:22 ok, ok, so, let's see Dec 24 05:47:29 :D Dec 24 05:47:31 scoutcamper: did you install ssh? Dec 24 05:47:48 yep, didnt help, so i uninstalled Dec 24 05:47:59 if you uninstall optware, it still won't work, am I right? Dec 24 05:48:19 sftp via usbnet can help you back up your apps if you really had to get usb going again Dec 24 05:48:19 correct Dec 24 05:48:39 do you have ipkg-opt available as a binary to use ? Dec 24 05:48:41 Jack87, i know, i would just rather not :D Dec 24 05:49:03 mmm... optware bootstrap, is it in the testing feeds? Dec 24 05:49:10 I only see 1.0.0 Dec 24 05:49:33 it is in ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/testing/all/ Dec 24 05:49:38 NuttyBunny: it was in mine Dec 24 05:50:33 LOL! http://m.xkcd.com/ Dec 24 05:51:40 ok, installed... I hope I don't regret this ;) Dec 24 05:51:47 ;) Dec 24 05:52:39 NuttyBunny: you can always doctor :) Dec 24 05:53:16 brb, Jack87 help NuttyBunny in my absence :D Dec 24 05:53:19 plz Dec 24 05:53:31 scoutcamper: copy that Dec 24 05:53:44 he is in same boat now so... :) Dec 24 05:53:49 hahahaha Dec 24 05:55:02 rwhitby: are you around? have you got any headway on this? Dec 24 05:55:37 ok, there it is, the loopback file Dec 24 05:56:30 NuttyBunny: that file is required to make optware work right? Dec 24 05:57:21 we need an optware gui app that turns loopback on and off (in essence enable/disable optware) at least temp for now Dec 24 05:57:27 let me put it this way: somewhere in /media/internal is a file containing, let call it, a partition, this partition is enclosed in the file, and can be mounted, and gets mounted in /opt Dec 24 05:57:34 right Dec 24 05:57:39 hum... just installed facebook and doesnt work Dec 24 05:57:48 not good :) Dec 24 05:58:15 NuttyBunny: i will live. but i wonder if it is part of optware or not. Dec 24 05:58:45 almost all my newly launched cards are just grey.. odd Dec 24 05:59:43 ok, device or resource busy Dec 24 06:00:13 hum... rebooting Dec 24 06:00:51 if you installed optware, i believe it should have lsof available ..which should show you open files in the different partitions Dec 24 06:01:29 mount /opt/ ---> mount: can't find /opt/ in /etc/fstab Dec 24 06:01:31 !%$#&"#&$%&"#$% Dec 24 06:01:49 just try mount to list what's there Dec 24 06:02:12 mount optware.ext3 -o lo Dec 24 06:02:12 op /opt/ :D Dec 24 06:02:27 mount optware.ext3 -o loop /opt/ Dec 24 06:02:53 * Jack87 's phone is rebooting Dec 24 06:03:11 after ipkg-opt update: /bin/sh: ipkg-opt: Resource temporarily unavailable Dec 24 06:03:24 ruhroh Dec 24 06:03:35 so, no lsof for me Dec 24 06:05:24 not nice: /media/cryptofs is not available Dec 24 06:05:52 NuttyBunny: really? Dec 24 06:06:09 yep Dec 24 06:06:15 ls: /media/cryptofs: Resource temporarily unavailable Dec 24 06:06:53 root@Dr:/media/cryptofs# ls ls apps data tmp root@Dr:/media/cryptofs# Dec 24 06:07:19 works for me Dec 24 06:08:55 what did you want to check there Dec 24 06:09:14 oh wow now its not working Dec 24 06:09:47 i lied i can get into crytofs but if i try getting into apps i get same error as you Dec 24 06:09:52 ipkg-opt is linked to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/mobi.optware.ipkg-opt/opt/bin/ipkg Dec 24 06:10:02 so, I was trying to get there :S Dec 24 06:10:02 i cant ls anymore Dec 24 06:10:05 what the heck Dec 24 06:10:29 maybe because i had just restarted my pre and loopback hadnt started yet Dec 24 06:10:58 why cant we just increase var partition with meda doctor if we want to use optware?? Dec 24 06:11:19 increase like extra 100mb (not 2 gigs) Dec 24 06:11:29 perhaps :) Dec 24 06:12:11 * scoutcamper is back Dec 24 06:12:23 as long as we don't go into usb mode, cryptofs is fine Dec 24 06:12:33 I rebooted and I'm still there Dec 24 06:12:39 NuttyBunny: thats it i just attempted usbmode Dec 24 06:12:42 I also have lsof Dec 24 06:13:17 * NuttyBunny is backing all his movies/tv shows/music to his new 1Tb external HD :D Dec 24 06:13:26 :D Dec 24 06:13:39 i am getting a new 2tb for christmas :D Dec 24 06:13:42 NuttyBunny: 1tb? thats it? :) Dec 24 06:14:06 * Jack87 is being sarcastic Dec 24 06:14:26 It's still a bit expensive, I'd loved to go for 2Tb, but it was too much ;) Dec 24 06:14:26 i love my 1tb portable... the 2tb sits on the desk Dec 24 06:14:28 * halfhalo has a 2tb drive on his desk Dec 24 06:14:56 * Jack87 has two 500gigs in his laptop Dec 24 06:15:15 total free space... 80 gigs :( sad Dec 24 06:15:23 NuttyBunny, all is working when unplugged form usb, i have secureshell, and can use it, any commands? Dec 24 06:15:35 s/form/from Dec 24 06:15:37 s/form/from/ Dec 24 06:15:38 scoutcamper meant: s/from/from Dec 24 06:15:41 lol] Dec 24 06:16:13 i just use * it is eazier Dec 24 06:16:15 easier* Dec 24 06:16:18 :) see Dec 24 06:16:22 lol Dec 24 06:17:46 NuttyBunny, i have terminal working in my pre2, would you like me to run anything? Dec 24 06:17:54 scoutcamper: the problem is when entering usb mode, I'm trying to figure out if we can temporarily disable the optware part Dec 24 06:17:59 ok Dec 24 06:19:11 irc in browser plus pastebin extension is godsend. wish i had it yesterday! Dec 24 06:20:02 so, entering usb mode craps the hell out of the Pre, cryptofs won't return Dec 24 06:20:30 I think cryptofs is not unmounting correctly, and therefore it doesn't get mounted right again after usb mode Dec 24 06:20:32 NuttyBunny: phone runs like shit to Dec 24 06:21:04 hence you said "craps the hell out" Dec 24 06:21:34 NuttyBunny: that explains why app cards become grey Dec 24 06:21:52 exactly, it doesn't get access to the card data anymore Dec 24 06:22:09 only the cards on the main filesystem (the palm ones) will work Dec 24 06:22:35 NuttyBunny: yup Dec 24 06:23:18 when rwhitby said this was alpha he was not kidding Dec 24 06:24:45 only for brave testers ;) Dec 24 06:24:59 NuttyBunny, under /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/ there is no mobi.optware.ipkg-opt Dec 24 06:25:07 like unixpsycho's first overclocking kernels Dec 24 06:25:28 mmm... Dec 24 06:25:40 I have it here Dec 24 06:25:48 maybe because I had 1.0.0 installed before Dec 24 06:25:50 strange Dec 24 06:26:02 i have org.webosinternals.optware Dec 24 06:26:22 mmm... yeah, I have that also Dec 24 06:27:04 i did not have 1.0 installed Dec 24 06:27:25 my phone was as stock as it can get Dec 24 06:27:27 Jack87, me neither Dec 24 06:28:02 i cant connect to novacom anymore :( i hate windows. Dec 24 06:28:05 or is it the phone Dec 24 06:28:26 * NuttyBunny votes for windows ;) Dec 24 06:28:36 * scoutcamper is on ubuntu 10.04 Dec 24 06:28:40 god damn it... 3g is gone to Dec 24 06:28:51 mine did that Dec 24 06:28:53 * NuttyBunny is on 10.10 Dec 24 06:29:12 NuttyBunny, that was buggy on my dell laptop ... Dec 24 06:29:31 * Jack87 is too lazy to install 10.10 sticking with 10.05 Dec 24 06:29:37 10.04* Dec 24 06:29:38 rwhitby, ping! Dec 24 06:29:44 the best LTS yet :D Dec 24 06:31:13 HAHAHAHAHA... Help - About: You are using Ubuntu 11.04 - the Natty Narwhal - released in April 2011 and supported until October 2012. <-- NOT! I'm using 10.10! :D Dec 24 06:31:18 ha... time to doctor for me once again. phone is being a bitch Dec 24 06:32:28 ah, "optware installer blablabla" Dec 24 06:33:44 * Jack87 is thinking about using full erase option instead of doctor. Dec 24 06:33:57 no, full erase doesn't restore files Dec 24 06:34:09 Jack87, wait, NuttyBunny may have a fix, just reboot :D Dec 24 06:34:43 NuttyBunny: i dont need any files restored? you arent talking about apps right? Dec 24 06:34:53 I just uninstalled everything optware related and rebooted, hold on a few more minutes Dec 24 06:34:58 scoutcamper: haha that was my "fix" Dec 24 06:35:10 oh you eman real fix Dec 24 06:35:15 hehe ok.. Dec 24 06:35:21 Jack87, yes, and then we have a 3rd tester Dec 24 06:35:25 i guess its worth having a tester Dec 24 06:35:29 Jack87: If you do a full erase, you will erase your apps, but your filesystem remains somewhat the same, so, any patches you had, will be still there Dec 24 06:35:46 (even if they won't show in preware) Dec 24 06:36:25 NuttyBunny: i see.. good to know (right now my phone is stockish) Dec 24 06:37:00 but you already messed with it with the optware installer :) Dec 24 06:37:10 yup Dec 24 06:37:23 ish' Dec 24 06:37:50 Hello hello Dec 24 06:37:57 mmm... after uninstalling optware bootstrap, it still mounts /opt Dec 24 06:38:09 hello shaikh Dec 24 06:38:52 are your devices attached to a carrier Dec 24 06:39:13 carrier name vanished Dec 24 06:39:24 mine is unlocked, HP logo only Dec 24 06:39:40 (AT&T Pre Plus on Telcel) Dec 24 06:44:04 * Jack87 waves at ka6sox Dec 24 06:44:15 * ka6sox waves back Dec 24 06:44:16 re Dec 24 06:44:28 hi rwhitby Dec 24 06:45:16 ah, the saviour! Dec 24 06:45:24 hi rwhitby :) Dec 24 06:45:44 we killed our 2.x devices by installing optware bootstrap 1.5 ;) Dec 24 06:46:01 NuttyBunny: knowingly! Dec 24 06:46:10 of course Dec 24 06:46:10 and by we, he means Jack87 scoutcamper and NuttyBunny :D Dec 24 06:46:10 :) Dec 24 06:46:14 :D Dec 24 06:47:17 * Jack87 thinks rwhitby is shaking his head Dec 24 06:47:34 * NuttyBunny thinks of a facepalm ;) Dec 24 06:47:43 * scoutcamper hopes rwhitby is too busy coding a fix to look at irc :D Dec 24 06:48:45 he is prolly reading our back log Dec 24 06:48:51 that too Dec 24 06:49:00 or having a hearty chuckle Dec 24 06:49:05 and laughing at us ;) Dec 24 06:49:13 looks like folks are re-learning the meaning of alpha ... Dec 24 06:49:23 lol Dec 24 06:49:25 :D Dec 24 06:49:26 rofl Dec 24 06:49:28 hehe knew it Dec 24 06:49:40 So, I have optware loaded on a 2.x Pre 2, and can run angry birds lite fine Dec 24 06:49:52 ah, yes, we too Dec 24 06:50:03 but just don't enter usb mode :) Dec 24 06:50:03 plug it into a usb cable to a pc and try to do usb mode Dec 24 06:51:00 hum... which one to do. one says do usb mode other says not to Dec 24 06:51:29 hehehe... go ahead, do it, do usb mode ;) then reboot the Pre, and try again :D Dec 24 06:51:42 i want him to see what we r seeing Dec 24 06:52:25 I have Pre 2 connected to Mac, Charge Only, and angry birds running. /opt is mounted Dec 24 06:52:45 rwhitby: what about drive mode? Dec 24 06:52:54 rwhitby, try entering usb mode, then try angry birds again Dec 24 06:52:55 anyone know where the carrier settings are stored? Dec 24 06:53:10 you can't run angry birds during drive mode Dec 24 06:53:19 no, try to drive mode Dec 24 06:53:36 oh, I already said in the thread that drive mode doesn't work Dec 24 06:53:38 * Jack87 just figured out why there is just type on main screen Dec 24 06:53:57 yes, we r trying to repair that Dec 24 06:54:20 but we're not having much success Dec 24 06:54:50 killing sshd beforehand doesn't help, unmounting /dev/loop0 (aka /opt) doesn't either Dec 24 06:55:14 right - you have to delete /dev/loop0 before drive mode will work again Dec 24 06:55:30 stupid me Dec 24 06:55:33 * NuttyBunny tries Dec 24 06:55:46 * Jack87 dives in Dec 24 06:55:46 have any of you looked at /var/log/messages or ls-monitor yet, or are you just flailing in the dark? Dec 24 06:55:55 NuttyBunny has Dec 24 06:55:58 i sent him mine Dec 24 06:56:03 just messages, not ls-monitor Dec 24 06:56:30 * NuttyBunny is an ass... I unmounted /dev/loop0, but didn't delete the file... rebooting again :S Dec 24 06:56:41 delete what file? Dec 24 06:56:49 loop0 Dec 24 06:56:55 what os? Dec 24 06:56:59 you need to losetup -d it Dec 24 06:57:29 ah, I was just doing umount /opt or umount /dev/loop0 Dec 24 06:57:41 losetup -d /dev/loop0 ??? Dec 24 06:58:16 Palm Pre:/dev# losetup -d /dev/loop0 Dec 24 06:58:16 ok, so no-one pointed me to this message? 2010-12-24T06:55:41.227691Z [35202] palm-webos user.debug jailer[14186]: error: Resource temporarily unavailable, exe: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.rovio.angrybirds-lite/angrybirds Dec 24 06:58:17 ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy Dec 24 06:58:17 what happens if it is just moved? Dec 24 06:58:40 1) kill any process (e.g. sshd) running from /opt Dec 24 06:58:44 2) unmount /opt Dec 24 06:58:51 3) losetup -d /dev/loop0 Dec 24 06:58:55 4) reboot Dec 24 06:59:23 4) is optional Dec 24 06:59:29 rwhitby: the angry birds jailer, we didn't get that far, we found that after usb mode we couldn't access cryptofs Dec 24 06:59:45 how do i list running processes from /opt? Dec 24 06:59:49 right, it would have got into a bad state Dec 24 06:59:52 lsof Dec 24 06:59:59 Jack87 got gray cards, I couldn't see anything Dec 24 07:00:08 a reboot fixed it ;) Dec 24 07:00:08 stop mobi.optware.openssh Dec 24 07:00:48 stop mobi.optware.openssh Dec 24 07:00:49 stop: (02876/356119371) Unknown job: mobi.optware.openssh Dec 24 07:00:51 yeah, a reboot will fix it, until the next time you try to go into usb mode with /dev/loop0 holding a file in /media/internal/ open Dec 24 07:00:53 I no longer have openssh, or optware installer, or optware bootstrap, and it still mounts /opt Dec 24 07:01:14 NuttyBunny: ls -l /etc/event.d/*optware* Dec 24 07:01:19 NuttyBunny: ls -l /var/palm/event.d/*optware* Dec 24 07:01:55 mm.. palm has it ;) Dec 24 07:02:06 I couldn't find that one Dec 24 07:03:03 how did you uninstall optware bootstrap? Dec 24 07:03:10 preware Dec 24 07:03:26 BTW 4) is optional, you can access USB drive at that point and everything works from then on Dec 24 07:03:53 wait are we talking about 1.50 optware bootstrap? Dec 24 07:04:03 yep Dec 24 07:04:08 that one Dec 24 07:04:12 in the alpha testing feed Dec 24 07:04:14 kso what am I doing lol Dec 24 07:04:19 I'm so behind Dec 24 07:05:20 rwhitby, that didnt work :( Dec 24 07:05:33 reboot doesnt fix anything for me anymore Dec 24 07:05:48 yea me neither Dec 24 07:05:52 usb mode won't work at all Dec 24 07:05:56 "that didn't work" is not an effective alpha tester problem report Dec 24 07:06:17 rwhitby, following setps 1-4 i still have the same issue i have had all along Dec 24 07:06:20 anytime I choose usb mode it returns to luna Dec 24 07:06:32 b3ll: right, that's known. Dec 24 07:06:36 lmao Dec 24 07:06:36 it's in the thread Dec 24 07:06:43 I should read that Dec 24 07:07:10 yes, installing something from an alpha testing feed before reading the thread is not a good idea. Dec 24 07:07:10 b3ll: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/271503-optware-webos-2-0-a.html Dec 24 07:07:35 rwhitby : no it's way more fun, I'm just currently messing with my carrier settings so I haven't had a time to look at it Dec 24 07:07:40 thanks jack87 Dec 24 07:08:02 rwhitby, any other ideas? Dec 24 07:08:19 even removing with preware didnt help ... Dec 24 07:08:22 umount /opt returns error unmount:not found Dec 24 07:09:05 yeah, the command is umount Dec 24 07:09:09 go figure Dec 24 07:09:15 lol umount right Dec 24 07:09:24 kso basically /opt depends on /media/internal, and when usb mode is enabled it can't umount /media/internal? Dec 24 07:09:37 right Dec 24 07:09:38 yay, mine worked! had to reboot and start over Dec 24 07:09:41 cya all l8r Dec 24 07:10:31 ok, I moved /var/palm/event.d/org.webosinternals.optware , everything's happy again :) Dec 24 07:10:36 yeah, I might have to move it to /media/cryptofs/, but I was hoping not to have to do that due to the extra layer of indirection Dec 24 07:10:49 NuttyBunny: I'm perplexed why that was not removed Dec 24 07:11:03 oops... usb mode still doesn't work :) Dec 24 07:11:25 rwhitby: why not expand var partion via doctor instead? Dec 24 07:11:27 why not make a different mount point? Dec 24 07:11:44 ls: /var/palm/jail/com.rovio.angrybirds/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.rovio.angrybirds: Resource temporarily unavailable Dec 24 07:11:59 NuttyBunny: ah, hang on. typo on line 3 of http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=testing-optware/bootstrap/control/prerm Dec 24 07:13:29 that would explain that one. Dec 24 07:14:06 hehehe Dec 24 07:14:19 but wouldn't it also delete the preware one? Dec 24 07:14:37 mmm... was it there? I can't see it S: Dec 24 07:14:39 :S Dec 24 07:15:19 i got network symbol back but carrier name is still missing.. hum... Dec 24 07:15:23 about to try usb mode Dec 24 07:15:27 NuttyBunny: bootstrap 1.5.1 is in the feeds Dec 24 07:15:39 ok, downloading Dec 24 07:15:42 same Dec 24 07:16:00 nope usbmode still doesnt work Dec 24 07:16:07 Jack87: expanding /var will cause you to lose all USB contents on an OTA upgrade which repartitions, like the coming 1.4.5 to 2.0 one Dec 24 07:16:21 it's it ok to install with palm-install or webos quick install? Dec 24 07:16:33 rwhitby: that makes sense Dec 24 07:16:35 I think it's best to just use cryptofs Dec 24 07:16:58 NuttyBunny: always install Preware with palm-install, and always install anything else with Preware. Dec 24 07:17:05 i unmounted and removed loop0 Dec 24 07:17:26 ok... Dec 24 07:17:40 * Jack87 uses preware bootstrap Dec 24 07:17:54 Jack87 should use palm-install Dec 24 07:18:07 rwhitby: thanks Dec 24 07:18:41 I so hate pulseaudio Dec 24 07:18:48 rwhitby: how to uninstall optware? Dec 24 07:20:02 same way you install anything, with Preware. Dec 24 07:20:09 s/install/uninstall/ Dec 24 07:20:09 rwhitby meant: same way you uninstall anything, with Preware. Dec 24 07:21:27 thanks Dec 24 07:22:33 ok, installed 1.5.1, uninstalled it, rebooting to see if I have usb mode :) Dec 24 07:24:23 rwhitby: should 1.5.1 unmount and remove correctly? Dec 24 07:26:06 rwhitby: I'm getting cannot umount /opt: Invalid argument Dec 24 07:26:07 from preware Dec 24 07:26:31 Ah, well, I could install 1.5.1 and uninstall it, and I got usb mode back Dec 24 07:27:01 * Jack87 following in NuttyBunny foot steps Dec 24 07:27:11 ok, looks like /media/cryptofs is a winner. Dec 24 07:27:57 uhm why isn't 1.5.1 showing up in preware Dec 24 07:28:17 update feeds? add optware testing feeda? Dec 24 07:28:25 s/feeda/feeds/ Dec 24 07:28:26 NuttyBunny meant: update feeds? add optware testing feeds? Dec 24 07:28:29 yea Dec 24 07:28:31 they're there Dec 24 07:28:44 that's the problem lol Dec 24 07:29:10 hehehe... Preware is pretty smart but can't read your mind ;) Dec 24 07:29:24 should haha, I do believe I messed up my pre2 tho Dec 24 07:31:11 cool usb mode is working again Dec 24 07:32:02 oh man.. im still left Dec 24 07:33:08 many many reboots are in order Dec 24 07:33:14 :P Dec 24 07:33:31 my phone boots really slow :( Dec 24 07:33:45 Jack87: Every Pre boots really slow :D Dec 24 07:34:14 not the pre2 :) Dec 24 07:34:16 NuttyBunny: even the really fast ones? Dec 24 07:34:24 b3ll: yup Dec 24 07:34:31 thats what i was thinking Dec 24 07:34:42 okay now to find where these carrier settings are Dec 24 07:34:55 what settings? Dec 24 07:34:59 what are you trying to do Dec 24 07:35:00 apn settings Dec 24 07:35:05 I want to add a proxy to the apn Dec 24 07:35:27 ok... sorry not that i can help just wondering Dec 24 07:35:28 hehe Dec 24 07:35:32 :P Dec 24 07:35:55 no worries, just need to look around a bit Dec 24 07:35:57 Jack87: I've not seen a Pre boot in less than 45 seconds Dec 24 07:36:00 impostah's helping Dec 24 07:36:11 it's even worse when you restore your apps :) Dec 24 07:36:59 seems as though java isnt running correctly on my phone as everything is laggy Dec 24 07:37:04 did you guys get that? Dec 24 07:39:09 mmm... maybe it's uploading logs :) Dec 24 07:39:24 mine did about an hour ago Dec 24 07:42:28 optware 1.5.2 in the testing feed. remove any earlier optware versions first Dec 24 07:42:42 rwhitby: you didnt update version number earlier Dec 24 07:43:08 Jack87: are you sure about that? Dec 24 07:43:11 did you now? Dec 24 07:43:18 I did both times Dec 24 07:43:20 yup i am.. its updated now Dec 24 07:43:24 NuttyBunny: checked to Dec 24 07:44:00 Jack87: Yeap, here too Dec 24 07:44:03 thats also why b3ll prolly was asking Dec 24 07:44:15 haha probably Dec 24 07:44:25 ohai 1.5.2 Dec 24 07:44:36 Jack87: where do you think you saw the incorrect version number? Dec 24 07:44:53 rwhitby: I saw it in preware Dec 24 07:44:58 me aswell Dec 24 07:45:01 it said 1.5.0 Dec 24 07:45:12 me 2 (I had installed 1.5.1 via palm-install) Dec 24 07:45:19 yup Dec 24 07:45:24 had you updated feeds? Dec 24 07:45:31 as soon as you said 1.5.2 was up version was fixed Dec 24 07:45:32 3 times Dec 24 07:45:34 yep, and now it shows 1.5.2 Dec 24 07:45:35 yup like 3 times Dec 24 07:45:36 haha Dec 24 07:45:36 yea Dec 24 07:46:07 rwhitby : what does impostah query for the databases? Dec 24 07:46:11 let me put it this way. There is a single line in the Makefile which determines the version number. That line also determines the version in the filename. The two cannot get out of sync. Dec 24 07:46:44 maybe we were getting older versions from the server? Dec 24 07:46:44 So anything you saw was a result of something else, not an incorrect version on the optware package Dec 24 07:46:46 rwhitby: haha that makes sense, but for one reason or another... Dec 24 07:46:57 or maybe we just didn't update the feeds :) Dec 24 07:47:07 trying usb Dec 24 07:47:20 NuttyBunny: nah as soon as 1.5.2 was available. so something else offset it Dec 24 07:47:24 usb mode works fine here Dec 24 07:47:35 here too... better this way :) Dec 24 07:47:37 rebooting now Dec 24 07:47:41 haha Dec 24 07:48:29 Good luck Jack87 :D Dec 24 07:48:38 oh wow its even pulsing faster now Dec 24 07:48:39 haha Dec 24 07:49:24 rwhitby: did you feel like a celep in NY around all the other webos nerds? Dec 24 07:50:14 celeb* Dec 24 07:50:33 nah, I get that everywhere i go Dec 24 07:50:42 lmao Dec 24 07:51:14 ok, now I can take my lenses off, it's almost 2am here and I have to go to work (half day, but still) Dec 24 07:51:25 on christmas eve? Dec 24 07:51:28 bitch move. Dec 24 07:51:36 omfg. its rwhitby!!! Dec 24 07:51:45 rwhitby: did you manage to recover your Pre2 tokens? Dec 24 07:51:59 looks like i will have to doctor my phone Dec 24 07:52:34 NuttyBunny: I recreated most of them Dec 24 07:52:48 And copied the others from a test device Dec 24 07:52:55 rwhitby : anyway to automate a fix for this : ipkg_conf_init: Failed to create temporary directory `(null)': Read-only file system Dec 24 07:53:22 I know I can just do mount -o remount,rw / etc Dec 24 07:53:23 rwhitby: well, at least you could do something :) I've already made my backup... just in case Dec 24 07:53:35 b3ll: ... just run rootfs_open? Dec 24 07:53:40 usb mode works Dec 24 07:53:46 oh :P Dec 24 07:53:54 but carrier name is still gone and 3g to Dec 24 07:53:54 NuttyBunny: I wiped it again and fully restored it within 15 minutes, to make sure I had the process repeatable Dec 24 07:54:18 chrisa, how are the slopes this season ? Dec 24 07:54:30 Not sure, I haven't gone Dec 24 07:54:33 oh noes Dec 24 07:54:39 I rarely do Dec 24 07:54:45 actually nvm Dec 24 07:54:52 rwhitby: ipkg-opt isn't working Dec 24 07:54:52 hows the new job ? Dec 24 07:55:10 more fun Dec 24 07:55:17 rwhitby: bare metal recovery of a pre was good for someone to have done, I mean we knew we could in theory .. Dec 24 07:55:17 opkg-opt is inside another package Dec 24 07:55:33 *ipkg Dec 24 07:55:36 destinal: I'd done it on a Pre before Dec 24 07:55:38 chrisa, that's good! working in more fun/embedded things ? Dec 24 07:55:45 NuttyBunny: what do you mean? Dec 24 07:55:56 destinal: but I didn't wipe the tokens on that one. Dec 24 07:56:02 destinal: this one was fully zeroed Dec 24 07:57:15 b3ll: The package for ipkg-opt is the optware advanced linux command line installer Dec 24 07:57:24 yes I know that lmao Dec 24 07:57:27 I want to use it Dec 24 07:57:28 ok, your sshd connection drops when entering usb mode, but that's to be expected Dec 24 07:57:33 ah, doesn't it work? Dec 24 07:57:36 nope Dec 24 07:57:38 try it yourself Dec 24 07:57:42 * NuttyBunny installs Dec 24 07:58:00 * NuttyBunny updates Dec 24 07:58:06 works finr Dec 24 07:58:09 fine Dec 24 07:58:13 hunh Dec 24 07:58:15 lemme reboot Dec 24 07:58:17 no Dec 24 07:58:28 no? Dec 24 07:58:29 just exit novaterm and enter again Dec 24 07:58:38 yea I did that Dec 24 07:58:42 it's giving me that null error Dec 24 07:58:44 check /opt has not been made ro Dec 24 07:58:54 will do Dec 24 07:59:53 yea just needed a reboot Dec 24 08:03:41 so my network issues were not resolved but usb works... however first time removing loop0 fixed 3g problem. came back though. phone calls worked....... carrier name is blank. really odd stuff Dec 24 08:03:52 giving up and doctoring. seems like its just m Dec 24 08:03:53 me Dec 24 08:04:28 Jack87: who knows what else you touched while playing :( Dec 24 08:04:37 NuttyBunny: ya Dec 24 08:05:10 * NuttyBunny is still backing up videos... 28 minutes left. and after that, uncompress all the wii games for burning ;) Dec 24 08:06:07 NuttyBunny: your new hdd? Dec 24 08:07:04 Yep, trying to do a HTPC, one step at a time Dec 24 08:07:44 hehe i would do that........ but all my entertainment comes from my laptop Dec 24 08:08:35 maybe if i get married.. till then im pretty sure i am happy with this Dec 24 08:09:31 this is off topic... but i never took rwhitby for a Mac guy... but he really is... Dec 24 08:09:49 My laptop doesn't have tv output, so we use the Wii to play media files to the tv Dec 24 08:09:54 mackintosh maybe... Dec 24 08:10:06 * NuttyBunny is a linux guy, hates windows Dec 24 08:10:08 hehe hdmi is my fav Dec 24 08:10:08 airflick + apple tv == win Dec 24 08:10:45 * Jack87 cant get into the apple eco system Dec 24 08:10:48 macs are the only machines you can run windows/linux/osx on it without any hassles or issues - kind of a nice machine when it comes to development Dec 24 08:11:02 well said :( Dec 24 08:11:05 :) * Dec 24 08:11:19 Jack87: I find Mac OSX to be a good user interface for Linux. Dec 24 08:11:35 bpadalino: hehe my netbook does all that Dec 24 08:11:36 * NuttyBunny spent about $300dlls in his Linux machine, peripherals included, try to beat that with a mac Dec 24 08:11:42 Since all the other Linux interfaces are crap Dec 24 08:11:43 I do all my dev in osx Dec 24 08:11:49 and all my cross compiling in linux Dec 24 08:12:05 rwhitby: even with the over priced hardware? Dec 24 08:12:15 I'm leaving. have fun :) Dec 24 08:12:16 b3ll: same here. But I do non-kernel cross-compiling on osx too. Dec 24 08:12:22 cheers Dec 24 08:12:30 rwhitby: yea I'm referring to that and ps3-dev Dec 24 08:12:31 night NuttyBunny Dec 24 08:12:38 nite ;) Dec 24 08:12:56 OH F U PALM Dec 24 08:12:59 take the friggen apn Dec 24 08:13:11 Jack87: I've tried both, and prefer this hardware. Dec 24 08:13:38 b3ll: I'm still looking for a cross-compiler for osx to target the palm emulator (i686, glibc 2.5) Dec 24 08:14:12 I've found it so much easier just using linux in virtual box Dec 24 08:15:00 b3ll: yeah, I usually have Linux running in both virtual box and vmware fusion Dec 24 08:15:07 * Jack87 loves virtual box... but cant easily boot from physical disk so uses vmware Dec 24 08:15:08 and sometimes a windows running in VB too Dec 24 08:15:25 If VB networking actually worked, I wouldn't need VMware fusion Dec 24 08:15:29 I'm using vmware for playbook os atm Dec 24 08:15:59 b3ll: if you can work out under what conditions /opt goes ro, that would be good. Dec 24 08:16:10 rwhitby: whats wrong with vb networking? i never had issues. well not till win7 file sharing Dec 24 08:16:14 rwhitby : do you have any clue where the data apn is stored? it's not found anywhere in the carrier databases Dec 24 08:16:18 I just tried keeping a hanging ssh open during drive mode, and that didn't ro it Dec 24 08:16:25 b3ll: nope Dec 24 08:16:25 rwhitby: I think it was just after the first install Dec 24 08:16:51 Jack87: NAT on 1st network connection, host-only on 2nd. It looses the 2nd network connection randomly. Dec 24 08:17:09 * Jack87 back in business after doctor Dec 24 08:18:45 rwhitby: got it. i only use 1 for my use at home (they use paralleles at work on macs. I hate it Dec 24 08:24:10 mmm Dec 24 08:24:21 * b3ll wishes opera mini was on webos Dec 24 08:25:12 * Jack87 remembers using it on samsun i500 palm os 4 Dec 24 08:27:48 lol I just want EDGE on my pre Dec 24 08:27:59 can't get friggen WAP to work :P Dec 24 08:31:14 happy christmas eve folks Dec 24 08:31:50 hey did anyone else ever use the i500 there was supposed to be a projection laser keyboard for that thing Dec 24 08:32:26 check it out http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6915 Dec 24 08:32:53 we have a keyboard like that at work Dec 24 08:33:05 it's not terrible but it's not very easy to use Dec 24 08:33:48 going to bed finally .. night Dec 24 08:34:08 bpadalino: night Dec 24 08:34:33 bpadalino: night Dec 24 08:35:46 hum... samsung galaxy line has an i500 model Dec 24 08:38:56 as long as it isn't a Tab Dec 24 08:39:34 ka6sox: why is that? Dec 24 08:40:23 nook color much better and 1/2 the price Dec 24 08:41:59 has anyone had text messaging issues with webos 2.0 Dec 24 08:42:36 me Dec 24 08:42:46 i just realized i dont think i have received any text. but have got stuff in my gvoice inbox which forwards to phone Dec 24 08:42:56 hum.. ka6sox does messaging app not work right/? Dec 24 08:43:38 Jack87 apparently not Dec 24 08:44:47 morning everyone Dec 24 08:44:59 oh wait.... i see a text.. hum. i didnt notice it come through Dec 24 08:45:07 lets reply and see if she writes back Dec 24 08:45:19 anyways I'm heading to bed Dec 24 08:45:20 gnite Dec 24 08:45:29 gnight b3ll Dec 24 08:45:29 night b3ll Dec 24 08:45:45 morning ice8lue Dec 24 08:45:54 Jack87: I had that too, not getting a notification about new SMS Dec 24 08:46:02 morning Jack87 =) Dec 24 08:46:31 ice8lue: did you resolve it? Dec 24 08:46:38 i just got a notification Dec 24 08:46:46 hum.. weird Dec 24 08:47:09 but none of my gvoice messages were forwarded Dec 24 08:47:17 not really...it took some time and fixed itself. but then i didn't (always) get a blink note Dec 24 08:47:58 so i tried sending a message few hours ago... Dec 24 08:48:23 she reports saying she got some symbols and numbers but seems to work now Dec 24 08:48:38 thats so odd.. haha wonky messages going through Dec 24 08:49:41 ;) Dec 24 08:49:53 apps are not being restored either Dec 24 08:49:55 well my sms' were delivered correctly though Dec 24 08:49:59 but accounts were restored Dec 24 08:50:17 many apps are not available yet for 2.x Dec 24 08:50:47 well i speak of the few such as facebook and pandora Dec 24 08:51:40 i do miss minimize version of cards that was always fun to play with Dec 24 08:51:55 like the small cards.. where you can see many at same time Dec 24 08:54:39 Oo facebook? well facebook IS available for 2.x, i dont know about pandora... Dec 24 08:54:52 which webOS version are you talking of? Dec 24 08:54:56 gvoice forwards are coming through Dec 24 08:55:06 2.0.1 Dec 24 08:55:13 strange... Dec 24 08:56:22 ya.. like 4 doctors now never restores the apps. (i make sure to run back up app) oh well still in beta Dec 24 08:57:47 yeah...it's still in development Dec 24 09:08:35 sooo, i'll be off now, gonna package up all the christmas presents ;) cu guys, merry christmas Dec 24 09:09:17 merry christmas and a good night/morning for you ice8lue Dec 24 09:10:15 ;) thx Dec 24 09:40:18 rwhitby: confirm please... if logging into pre2 with main profile... it becomes compatible for webos 2.0.1? Dec 24 10:16:09 happy christmas eve everyone! :D Dec 24 10:19:25 dtzWill: merry christmas eve to you Dec 24 10:19:46 Jack87: you too :D Dec 24 10:20:53 how are you doing Dec 24 10:25:28 goooood Dec 24 10:25:39 good to be home with the fam :) Dec 24 10:25:59 Jack87: you? Dec 24 10:26:14 finally got phone working. should prolly go to sleep now but im happy :) Dec 24 10:26:35 haha hooray \o/ Dec 24 10:27:12 he wrote up a nice article on the wiki too! Dec 24 10:27:35 should linke it to recovery page some how Dec 24 10:27:50 maybe i will let someone else do that not sure how to make it fit right Dec 24 10:28:26 haha process took 10min to do...... but figuring out was a bitch! ahh! Dec 24 10:29:17 dtzWill: cryptk and i were just talking about old times :) Dec 24 10:30:08 around a year ago about this time. Dec 24 10:30:42 Merry Christmas everybody Dec 24 10:33:20 dtzWill, we were talking about back when you ported quake and Jack87 and I were testing out the controls for you Dec 24 10:34:28 not going to lie... it was like openning an xmass present everytime i ran that update script Dec 24 10:34:46 :-D Dec 24 10:37:39 speaking of which... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_talk:Quake Dec 24 10:37:57 hum... anyone been tinkering with bluetooth capability for controls Dec 24 10:38:04 awww old times Dec 24 10:38:07 i understand 2.0 will allow for keyboards Dec 24 10:38:16 cryptk, Jack87 :D. sorry was afk for a sec Dec 24 10:39:04 hum.. that be kinda cool.. kick ass for your emulators dtzWill Dec 24 10:39:16 oh yeah. when i get some time bt controllers would be sa-weeet Dec 24 10:39:43 and should be rather straightforward to setup, assuming a sane event interface for bt devices Dec 24 10:40:05 dtzWill: hehe i will just nod my head. Dec 24 10:40:21 you are the expert. i just blab Dec 24 10:40:28 Jack87: just saying that the hard part of bt should be handled by webos for me Dec 24 10:40:49 sweet! Dec 24 10:40:53 well we'll see, for all i know they published 2.0 docs somewhere and i can go check Dec 24 10:41:05 but laters, it's been a long day :) Dec 24 10:41:15 haha ya! later Dec 24 10:41:28 my first goal is giving the pixi some love Dec 24 10:41:51 kinda be cool anniversary of your emulator releases might have bluetooth capability. Dec 24 10:42:24 it was sometime in Jan. wasnt it? Dec 24 10:42:39 sounds about right Dec 24 10:43:08 i went on my trip to NY and vanished :) Dec 24 10:43:12 supernes much more recently although i had the pieces working months before, just got distracted :) Dec 24 10:43:15 haha yeah you did Dec 24 10:45:12 anyway im going to go get some food. and if im smart prolly get some sleep. have to meet up with gf fam early in the morning blah! Dec 24 10:45:33 and she lives 35 miles away! Dec 24 10:47:39 sweet no reboot required for dev mode Dec 24 10:57:41 kk 'night all :) Dec 24 10:57:46 good chatting with you Jack87 Dec 24 10:57:50 cryptk: see you around too :) Dec 24 10:58:05 gnight dtzWill Dec 24 10:58:11 always a pleasure Dec 24 10:58:45 :D Dec 24 10:58:48 cya, sleepy time for me too Dec 24 11:25:20 gnight Dec 24 11:25:24 sorry, werk came up Dec 24 11:25:43 cryptk: gnight! Dec 24 11:25:52 oh wait that was to will ::) Dec 24 11:25:54 no, I was saying gnight to dtzWill Dec 24 11:25:56 lol Dec 24 11:26:07 I still have a few hours of werk left Dec 24 11:26:37 you really like this night gig dont you Dec 24 11:26:55 its just your thing Dec 24 11:27:53 destinal: are you around? Dec 24 11:37:40 i dont think freetether is working in 2.0.1 Dec 24 11:37:51 must be different commands for the service Dec 24 11:58:19 sorry, werk came up Dec 24 11:58:23 I do like working nights actually Dec 24 11:58:29 I work 4 days a week, night shift Dec 24 12:07:29 dbsooner: I've not been keeping up with patches and related stuff, what's up with the Patches Web Portal? Dec 24 12:08:47 Been checking the site for about a week, I guess time runs really slow in CST compared to EST Dec 24 13:03:25 NachoB, what do you mean what is up with it? Dec 24 13:06:53 anyone here have a 1.4.5 device that can test a patch for me? (I would, but I don't have a 1.4.5 device) Dec 24 13:07:11 you would need to know how to manually apply a patch file... as in command line... Dec 24 13:08:52 hi webos-internals devs. what is the process to gain write access to git.webos-internals.org? I'd like to add a carrier-patch to the meta-doctor... Dec 24 13:21:41 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_patches_through_git just says: "rwhitby is able to do this". So I guess, I'll have to mail/PM/whatever him... Dec 24 14:55:19 how you do you remove a patch manually? Dec 24 16:22:16 Jack87: btw it is possible to boot into recovery without volup. just noticed that (old now) question Dec 24 16:23:12 just use omap's usb boot to send the boot.bin from dr img Dec 24 17:30:32 merry morning and X-mass eve! Dec 24 17:33:39 how you do you remove a patch manually? Dec 24 17:39:41 that would depend on the patch, but you can simply get the unpatched versions of the files out of a doctor and shove them into the phone.. or pull the unpatched versions from the safety copy the patch process in preware made of them Dec 24 17:40:12 indeed Dec 24 17:40:47 and on a side note to the question about recovery mode without volup... if the device is able to be novaterm'd into, you can just run tellbootie recover Dec 24 17:40:55 if not, then destinals instructions will work also Dec 24 17:41:09 but I had already passed that info on to Jack87 Dec 24 17:47:52 note that if you want to remove a patch manually you should really know exactly what you are doing Dec 24 17:48:19 recovering the files to stock may make things worse if you have multiple patches touching the same file(s) Dec 24 17:58:03 thanks cryptk and desttinal Dec 24 18:01:59 I ment to say thanks cryptk and destinal Dec 24 18:03:55 * Jack-wIRC has to not irc and watch little fockers. Dec 24 18:04:10 lol Dec 24 18:09:33 Jack-wIRC: :) Dec 24 18:09:45 egaudet, oil do you know if anyone is working on the preware.org site? if not, i may start looking at it, the git is whats on the site, right? Dec 24 18:23:36 no one has worked on that site in a long time. What 'ya got in mind? Dec 24 18:24:24 help Dec 24 18:24:47 ?? Dec 24 18:24:59 Well, I hope they got the help they needed. Dec 24 18:50:27 cryptk: I've been seeing this message for a week or better "THE PORTAL IS CURRENTLY DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE AND SERVER TRANSITION... ESTIMATED RESTORAL IS 12-24 HOURS FROM 1300 CST." Dec 24 19:35:39 NachoB, what exact URL are you going to? Dec 24 19:39:54 NachoB, I am on the patch portal right now, site works great... Dec 24 19:53:09 cryptk, http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ Dec 24 19:53:48 just found the new link http://patches.webos-internals.org/ Dec 24 19:55:47 yeppers, you been at the wrong place... Dec 24 20:04:44 didn't know the url changed. and all along here I've been waiting for 12-24 hour from 1300 CST to pass. HAHA Dec 24 20:07:29 it changed a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago Dec 24 20:11:03 ~~~~ Dec 24 20:11:04 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-pre!!! Dec 24 20:21:04 I never knew, kept checking the original site. Dec 24 20:22:03 and since it's active, i didn't think that it would've changed url's Dec 24 20:22:48 maybe dbsoobner should reference the new url on the old site Dec 24 20:25:42 dBsooner, should make that site do a permanent redirect to the correct URL Dec 24 20:26:15 that would work also. Dec 24 20:28:20 All I have to say is that trying to help people while under an NDA is difficult when lost in url's. Dec 24 21:01:54 scoutcamper: nobody has touched it in forever Dec 24 21:02:13 oil, so its open for updating? Dec 24 21:02:23 like, adding FAQ's etc? Dec 24 21:02:35 and it whats on the git the latest? Dec 24 21:02:44 i dont know Dec 24 21:03:24 is anyone here who would? or is that ka6sox? Dec 24 21:03:44 just look at whats there and whats on the site xD Dec 24 21:03:48 see if its the same Dec 24 21:03:54 I am not even certain that ka6sox knows if what is in git is the latest... in theory it should be, lol Dec 24 21:04:04 it looks like its the same Dec 24 21:07:12 morning Dec 24 21:07:28 morning Dec 24 21:07:38 merry christmas rwhtiby Dec 24 21:13:40 rwhitby: hey Dec 24 21:34:39 rwhitby, who did the orriginal preware site? Dec 24 21:41:20 oil, u r good with java right? Dec 24 21:42:37 no, i dont know java Dec 24 21:42:51 templarian did the preware.org site Dec 24 21:43:15 ok Dec 24 21:43:58 i am changing the contents of the .xml and that breaks the site, cryptk ka6sox ideas? Dec 24 21:44:33 I presume your editing your own copy on your own server. Dec 24 21:44:44 the link to the site is reddinglights.com/Preware and the xml is reddinglights.com/Preware/page/install/install.xml Dec 24 21:44:54 rwhitby, correct Dec 24 21:49:07 rwhitby, u see what i mean? Dec 24 21:49:23 * rwhitby has no knowledge of the implementation of that code Dec 24 21:49:57 rwhitby, but the preware install guide does not load for you, correct? Dec 24 21:50:51 incorrect Dec 24 21:51:18 it loads? Dec 24 21:51:22 all items on preware.org work for me Dec 24 21:51:37 no, can you try on my server that i specified Dec 24 21:51:40 no Dec 24 21:51:49 :( Dec 24 21:52:42 * scoutcamper hopes templarian shows up soon :D Dec 24 21:53:04 * rwhitby bbl Dec 24 21:54:27 destinal, r u familiar with java websites? Dec 24 21:55:51 is anyone arround that can help me debug this issue? its a java issue of some sort Dec 24 22:19:15 scoutcamper: java issues? Dec 24 22:19:54 rwhitby: has anyone tried to access a local novacom daemon from a website? I wonder how permissive the protocol is Dec 24 22:20:04 yes, destinal on a website, im trying to begin updating the preware.org, so i have mirrored the site to my server and am having ussues Dec 24 22:20:13 s/ussues/issues/ Dec 24 22:20:15 scoutcamper meant: yes, destinal on a website, im trying to begin updating the preware.org, so i have mirrored the site to my server and am having issues Dec 24 22:20:29 the address is preware.reddinglights.com Dec 24 22:21:24 rwhitby: like the old interprotocol exploitation techniques that were used on the previous incarnation of freenode to make IRC spam from a web browser, it does a specially crafted POST with javascript (since same origin policy prevents XMLHttpRequest) Dec 24 22:22:02 only works if the daemon you're talking to is error tolerant, takes commands a line at a time, and ignores bad lines etc Dec 24 22:23:04 scoutcamper: hmm, never heard of it Dec 24 22:23:57 scoutcamper: I mean I didn't know we used java applet on the site to do anything Dec 24 22:24:01 let me check into it Dec 24 22:24:13 :D Dec 24 22:24:48 i downloaded the git.webos-internals.org/www/preware.git Dec 24 22:24:55 and uploaded that to my server Dec 24 22:25:02 then started trying to change things Dec 24 22:25:51 scoutcamper: where is java? Dec 24 22:25:59 scoutcamper: or do you mean javascript Dec 24 22:26:06 i mean javascript lol Dec 24 22:27:54 scoutcamper: I strongly recommend debugging it with firefox and the firebug plugin Dec 24 22:33:57 destinal, the issue is, firebug doesnt see anything wrong, but, when i click on preware install guides its acting like its loading the install page, but it doesnt, it like dies in the middle of it Dec 24 22:35:31 destinal, found error, it is xml.children is undefined Dec 24 22:36:40 destinal, but im modifying th contents of the .xml, nothing else, why would that break the xml children? Dec 24 22:38:35 THE PREWARE SITE IS A HORRIBLE HORRIBLE ENTITY WHICH SHOULD BE BURNED IN A FIRE Dec 24 22:39:27 halfhalo, im trying to make basic changes then i will move to more advanced etc. Dec 24 22:39:29 halfhalo: yeah I tend to agree Dec 24 22:40:12 anything that uses js to change xml into html is crap Dec 24 22:40:20 well, i could just make preware.org redirect to webos-internals.org Dec 24 22:40:43 * oil says "hear ear!" Dec 24 22:40:44 or redo the preware site in pure html+css Dec 24 22:41:12 * scoutcamper may try that Dec 24 22:41:32 if its all html and css that is easy to maintain Dec 24 22:41:46 yup, and can be used for other sites as well Dec 24 22:41:50 the js is templarians "framework" Dec 24 22:41:55 he made to replace mojo on-device Dec 24 22:42:04 which he then used for the preware.org site Dec 24 22:42:08 lol Dec 24 22:43:07 halfhalo, but in "purehtml and css" you cant have the fancy buttons :D Dec 24 22:43:25 uh Dec 24 22:43:27 yeah you can Dec 24 22:43:34 you dont need js to make that work Dec 24 22:43:52 * scoutcamper goes to poke arround Dec 24 22:43:57 * halfhalo hearts css3 Dec 24 22:44:39 web2.0=box-shadow and border-radius Dec 24 22:44:46 IT IS A PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT Dec 24 22:45:02 dont even need that Dec 24 22:45:21 image hacky way doesn't count Dec 24 22:46:50 yeah it does Dec 24 22:47:23 halfhalo, lol, just converting straight to html failed, taking out .js reference and inserting standard html code = preware.reddinglights.com/page/index/index.html Dec 24 22:47:33 ... Dec 24 22:48:01 can't be relying too heavily on css3 in the general web Dec 24 22:48:15 being that ie still doesn't support 99% of it Dec 24 22:49:19 true, but those people can have regular flat divs Dec 24 22:51:02 web pages should be made to be the same in every browser Dec 24 22:56:34 always Dec 24 22:56:37 with a mobile mode Dec 24 22:57:05 * oil HATES being forced into mobile mode Dec 24 22:57:18 my pre browser can manage the full blown web Dec 24 22:57:32 more often then not, the mobile version is stripped down garbage Dec 24 22:58:07 oil: you can always hexedit/binary patch your user agent Dec 24 22:58:10 string Dec 24 22:58:15 yeah Dec 24 22:58:32 mobile mode... eh, depends Dec 24 22:58:50 IMO when web sited began to adapt themselvs to the user-agent we lost the whole freaking *point* of HTML Dec 24 22:59:54 HTML was also supposed to be a *markup* language and not a layout language once upon a time too. but then people wanted the web to be a magazine Dec 24 23:00:00 Dec 24 23:02:07 lol Dec 24 23:04:59 oil: in the intent of the original web there'd be no need for a mobile web since the user-agent is supposed to decide how to lay things out and how much to render Dec 24 23:05:10 yeah Dec 24 23:05:25 but now websites are nothing but
user-agent is garbage now anyways Dec 24 23:05:48 its like 300 chars long, lol Dec 24 23:05:52 oil: heh, EVERYTHING is Mozila Dec 24 23:05:54 listing every previous browser Dec 24 23:06:09 Back when Mozilla was the original Netscape codename Dec 24 23:06:46 It's so funny to see IE call itself IE, a subtype of Netscape Navigator Dec 24 23:06:48 :P Dec 24 23:06:49 cutting and pasting from firebug = preware.reddinglights.com/page/index/index.html Dec 24 23:07:33 * scoutcamper takes a break Dec 24 23:08:06 * oil doesnt think scoutcamper understands Dec 24 23:08:29 you've copy/pasted line numbers= Dec 24 23:09:23 Dec 24 23:09:23 1* Dec 24 23:09:24 2{ Dec 24 23:09:24 3 margin:0; Dec 24 23:09:24 4 padding:0; Dec 24 23:09:24 5} Dec 24 23:09:29 is not valid... anything Dec 24 23:10:46 * halfhalo would help but he doesn't have an eye for style Dec 24 23:10:58 lol Dec 24 23:11:07 halfhalo only said that so it looks like he wants to help but cant Dec 24 23:11:11 when really, he doesn't want to Dec 24 23:11:15 lol Dec 24 23:11:49 No. When I say I don't want to help I say "HAHA sucks for you" Dec 24 23:11:49 oil, you want to help destroy line numbers? Dec 24 23:11:54 no Dec 24 23:12:13 oil, got any ideas if i start from scratch Dec 24 23:12:15 ? Dec 24 23:12:22 dont copy/paste from firebug? Dec 24 23:12:43 oil, im talking like if i start from scratch, ideas? Dec 24 23:12:50 oh Dec 24 23:12:52 make it good Dec 24 23:12:56 :) Dec 24 23:13:09 I second that idea Dec 24 23:13:10 * scoutcamper is good at implementing, not so good at elegant designs Dec 24 23:14:07 then dont "design" Dec 24 23:14:18 use and make it styleless Dec 24 23:14:27 * oil likes that look Dec 24 23:14:30 lol Dec 24 23:14:41 oil, lol! ive done that Dec 24 23:15:18 ... Dec 24 23:15:47 halfhalo, want to start layout on an empty shell, then i can do content? Dec 24 23:16:04 * scoutcamper is rally bad with css3, but pretty good with css2 Dec 24 23:16:12 s/rally/really/ Dec 24 23:16:24 * oil suggests not putting a