**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 27 02:59:57 2010 Dec 27 03:00:44 ka6sox: right now I've only tested with whistling and with an acoustic guitar, it seems to work well for me (except it spazzes out only on one string of the guitar) Dec 27 03:18:20 tmandry, I wonder about that as my G string has it doing something wierd going on. Dec 27 03:19:13 ka6sox: does it do the right thing but sporadically go somewhere else? Dec 27 03:19:52 idk if that made sense Dec 27 03:25:26 tmandry, yes Dec 27 03:25:32 whats the deal with that? Dec 27 03:27:17 has to do with the algorithm.. sometimes it picks a weird harmonic as the fundamental instead of the actual fundamental Dec 27 03:28:08 I've tried to "patch" it with minimal success Dec 27 03:28:09 but there are some different approaches I can take with the algorithm that are supposed to have better results Dec 27 03:28:21 so I'll look into those Dec 27 03:28:26 you need a FIR for it. Dec 27 03:29:43 I have a 2nd order butterworth filter to get rid of lows Dec 27 03:30:31 you're suggesting filtering the raw sound right? Dec 27 03:32:16 yes Dec 27 03:32:29 they should operate in a fairly narrow band... Dec 27 03:32:47 I mean on the order of less than second order Dec 27 03:33:11 the biggest problem is getting too much Q cranked into it Dec 27 03:33:24 then it rings Dec 27 03:38:17 mm, I could try that Dec 27 03:46:44 I've always preferred Chebyshev filters but they are harder Dec 27 03:50:47 whoops Dec 27 04:11:20 * halfhalo is 90% back up Dec 27 04:14:01 hi all :D Dec 27 04:15:02 :/ I restart my windows computer and colloquy on the mac dies Dec 27 04:19:48 scoutcamper: The recode is looking nice. Dec 27 04:20:14 Templarian, thanks :D Dec 27 04:33:16 anybody here know about the com_palm_accounts_Account bits in the PalmDatabase.db3 file ? Dec 27 04:36:30 nope. that file scared me, so I never went into it. Dec 27 04:36:44 Things are much better in 2.0 Dec 27 04:37:04 do you think SMS will be able to be saved/restored with 2.0 ? Dec 27 04:38:52 * halfhalo is bringing his staging environment online.... now Dec 27 04:40:10 hehe... git based autobuilder is working Dec 27 04:45:18 bpadalino: yeah, I think it will Dec 27 04:45:38 very nice Dec 27 05:08:57 tmandry, it doesnt' need much but responding to 2onds isn't good. Dec 27 05:09:50 Quick question, can anyone confirm that sconix has a feed setup for Preware? Dec 27 05:12:09 does greg_roll hang here ? Dec 27 05:12:34 jhoover09, restate plz Dec 27 05:13:19 I'm looking for Sconix's preware feed URL. I hear hes got some themes for webOS 2.0 Dec 27 05:13:37 oh, rwhitby or ka6sox may know, i dont Dec 27 05:13:51 Thanks Dec 27 05:14:34 jhoover09, his patches are in the preware patch feed Dec 27 05:15:24 I was told he had a feed of his own where he posted webOS 2.0 themes. Is this true? Dec 27 05:16:36 jhoover09, unk to me. Dec 27 05:16:44 * ka6sox doesn't do themes :( Dec 27 05:17:02 Okay, Thanks. Dec 27 05:22:44 * bhuey is going to do some com_palm_accounts_Account hackery to fix his Pre Dec 27 05:23:20 bhuey, whats the issue? Dec 27 05:25:03 FOund the info... took some digging. http://forums.precentral.net/enlightened-linux-solutions/245440-patch-top-bar-system-menus-status-today-device-menus.html#post2447722 Sconix feed info for whoever may want it Dec 27 05:26:50 jhoover09, that link appears to be broken Dec 27 05:27:33 he states that evereything would be migrated to preware feeds Dec 27 05:28:05 hmmm, worked for me. I'll repost. Dec 27 05:28:18 It's post 17 in this thread. http://forums.precentral.net/enlightened-linux-solutions/269207-patch-advanced-system-menus-2-x.html Dec 27 05:28:31 Ah, okay Dec 27 05:32:09 jhoover09, not working here on preware 1.5.1 Dec 27 05:32:28 Yeah, Having the same trouble here. Dec 27 05:33:10 im watching jurrasic park 1, i wish linux commands fere that easy, "access main program" Dec 27 05:33:21 were* Dec 27 05:33:25 lol, Dec 27 05:33:35 That wouldn't be any fun. Dec 27 05:34:58 The feed is down. I can't navigate to it in my browser. Dec 27 05:38:35 jhoover09: sconix has migrated everything to the webos-internals feeds, since he is now a member of webos-internals Dec 27 05:39:03 Ah, okay Dec 27 05:39:24 Can we expect to see his webOS 2.0 theme anytime soon? Dec 27 05:40:14 what theme is that? Dec 27 05:41:25 scoutcamper: can't delete an account Dec 27 05:41:38 the sqlite statement I use just hangs Dec 27 05:41:57 bhuey, what webos version? what hardware? what desktop os? Dec 27 05:42:08 There looks like some partially removed garbagge accounts that might be confusing this Pre Dec 27 05:42:11 1.45 Dec 27 05:42:13 1.4.5 Dec 27 05:42:16 original Pre Dec 27 05:42:30 http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq-91.html Dec 27 05:42:38 bhuey, have you tried doctoring? Dec 27 05:42:42 I use the statement in that post to try and attempt that delete Dec 27 05:42:46 looks reasonable Dec 27 05:42:47 no Dec 27 05:42:56 I'd like to avoid doctoring it if possible Dec 27 05:43:10 it's a big drastic if it's only a few corrupted bits of this and that Dec 27 05:43:18 big=bit Dec 27 05:43:37 ka6sox: sorry, responding to what? Dec 27 05:43:37 been a couple of minutes now and it's still hung Dec 27 05:44:54 bhuey, sorry, i can only recomend doctoring the phone Dec 27 05:44:56 it's a real pain in the ass Dec 27 05:45:06 does greg roll hang here ? Dec 27 05:45:16 he seems to have more information about this Dec 27 05:45:26 it's either an sqlite3 problem or something else Dec 27 05:45:32 i havent seen him Dec 27 05:45:40 because this should just immediately delete the entries I'd presume Dec 27 05:45:41 ask rwhitby Dec 27 05:46:00 halfhalo, do you know sqllite? Dec 27 05:46:25 ~seen greg_roll Dec 27 05:46:30 greg_roll was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 373d 4h 6m 25s ago, saying: 'PuffTheMagic: hello, i just PMed you about freetether. Are you getting them?'. Dec 27 05:46:47 bhuey: not for a while it seems ... Dec 27 05:47:47 The screenshots on some of his patches look themed and I spoke with TheDizzAR in the forums who clamed that it used t be in his feed. I'm trying to get some confirmation and assistance as I move forward with porting my themes. Dec 27 05:48:37 ~seen sconix Dec 27 05:48:38 sconix is currently on #webos-internals (4d 20h 33m 9s), last said: 'Ice8lue: I won't port the new stuff for 1.4.5. Anyway there is very little new and the bits that are, are most likely something that 2.0 has allowed for me to add'. Dec 27 05:49:11 jhoover09, he hasnt been active in 4 days it seems Dec 27 05:49:47 or that could be how long he's been in here Dec 27 05:49:47 Yep, thanks for the info scout/rod. Dec 27 05:51:08 tmandry, the range of freqencies of a particular string. Dec 27 05:52:22 Is directfb gone from webos these days? Dec 27 05:54:18 looks like between 1.4.5 and 2.0.1. hmm Dec 27 05:55:21 jhoove09: sconix doesn't do themes as far as I know. Dec 27 05:56:07 I'm getting some bad info in the forums.... who would have though? Thanks Rod Dec 27 06:17:19 wow i cant believe it was a year ago i made freetether Dec 27 06:25:31 sugardave: hmm, I wonder if directfb DOOM as built for the pre still exists anywhere Dec 27 06:25:55 I guess i could just cross compile prboom Dec 27 06:33:28 rwhitby: yeah, the bits of sql that I'm trying to get to execute isn't happy and I don't know hy Dec 27 06:33:32 why Dec 27 06:33:33 it's just hanging on the operation Dec 27 06:33:56 it makes me wonder if there's a bug with the sqlite3 extension modules that Palm wrote Dec 27 06:36:17 like there's some kind of infinite loop or something going on in the code Dec 27 06:39:12 yeah, this sucks Dec 27 06:39:21 that .so is an ARM executable Dec 27 06:39:35 and there's no sources for it available to examine Dec 27 06:44:33 bhuey, IMO doctoring is your best bet at recovery Dec 27 06:52:49 hi people! Dec 27 06:53:04 * scoutcamper waves at Jack87-away Dec 27 06:53:40 having a good day scoutcamper ? Dec 27 06:54:23 * Jack87 is trying to get his hands on a palm pre plus for under $50.. is this doable? Dec 27 06:54:26 yep, and you? Dec 27 06:54:36 Jack87, liekely on ebay with bad esn Dec 27 06:54:44 scoutcamper: not bad.. relaxing Dec 27 06:55:13 scoutcamper: I'll just have to live with it until I can figure out something better to do Dec 27 06:55:21 scoutcamper: that be perfect if==but they all seem to go up towards end of auction Dec 27 06:56:06 Jack87, thats true Dec 27 06:56:42 wish i could just find one in the classifieds that be so easy. some chick that didnt think it was cute enough ya know Dec 27 06:56:53 lol Dec 27 07:01:27 ill just keep checking craigslist i suppose :) Dec 27 07:01:58 ya know people only pay like 50 bucks with contract so i may run into someone who doesnt like it and wants to break even Dec 27 07:02:31 Jack87, post on craigslist? Dec 27 07:02:40 as a wanted add? Dec 27 07:02:57 scoutcamper: not a bad idea...do wanted ads get answered? Dec 27 07:03:14 in my experience, yep Dec 27 07:03:30 sweet. i have never done one.. will do though good idea. thanks Dec 27 07:10:08 im off to sleep Dec 27 07:10:11 cya all Dec 27 07:10:19 goodnight scoutcamper Dec 27 07:12:37 scoutcamper: I'll try another version of Firefox that's not beta and see if this can remove those entries Dec 27 07:30:09 ~log Dec 27 07:30:10 log is probably located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Dec 27 07:51:14 destinal-sleep: night Dec 27 07:51:30 Jack87: good night Dec 27 08:04:13 ~log Dec 27 08:04:14 log is, like, located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Dec 27 08:05:28 g'nite Jack87 Dec 27 08:06:18 ka6sox-away: goodnight! Dec 27 08:06:25 :) how you had a good weekend Dec 27 08:43:52 * bhuey is going to update his sqlite tools Dec 27 08:44:06 I'm thinking there might be an incompatibility with the one's on my OS X box Dec 27 08:57:48 it throws Dec 27 08:57:49 LOCALIZED_SECONDARY Dec 27 08:57:50 lame Dec 27 08:57:58 so close Dec 27 09:05:42 ok, getting good with: Dec 27 09:05:43 .load /usr/lib/sqlite3_palm_extension.so Dec 27 09:05:47 is definitely the winner Dec 27 09:05:56 too bad I don't have the sources for it Dec 27 09:07:44 * bhuey thinks about other options Dec 27 09:16:30 * oil really needs to install the 2 2tb hds on his shelf Dec 27 09:17:56 * oil only has 30gb free of the 1.3tb from 4 drives in his pc :( Dec 27 09:19:07 oil: impostah now has connection display - we need that json viewer :) Dec 27 09:19:26 no, what we really need, is a new name for it Dec 27 09:19:39 lol Dec 27 09:20:58 and I need to work out how to do reverse DNS lookups in C in Linux Dec 27 09:23:05 oil: once we have json viewing and editing, I'll make it be able to add iptable entries to redirect connections to a MITM box. Then the impostah name will start to ring true. Dec 27 09:29:31 except that it does a bunch of other stuff, too Dec 27 09:29:51 its like the bin everything goes in Dec 27 09:29:52 lol Dec 27 09:30:03 the junk drawer in the kitchen Dec 27 09:37:41 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/271643-java-virtual-machine-jvm-works-webos-1-45-2-0-a.html Dec 27 09:37:42 hmm Dec 27 09:57:55 yeah, that sql command to delete that entry worked, it just took forever Dec 27 09:58:17 * bhuey wonders if he can serialize the entire db and rebuild a new one from that outputed text Dec 27 09:58:49 oil: I wonder if there's any trojans in those binaries ... Dec 27 09:59:12 who knows Dec 27 09:59:21 which is why a way to see whats being sent out would be useful :) Dec 27 10:00:09 well, Impostah shows the connections now ... Dec 27 10:02:00 it seems like a significant problem with the speed of webos is actually keeping db bits in memory Dec 27 10:02:42 I have an original Pre so... Dec 27 10:03:56 bhuey: db on 2.0 is completely different Dec 27 10:05:01 rwhitby: yeah, but it's still going to eat memory I would think if they use the same blob schema Dec 27 10:05:13 I store a lot of messages in the chat app Dec 27 10:05:26 bhuey: the schemas are completely different Dec 27 10:05:35 unless they've changed that, it'll still be subject to that bloat Dec 27 10:05:35 ok Dec 27 10:05:39 the whole synergy system is completely different Dec 27 10:05:42 good Dec 27 10:05:49 yeah, it was pushing it Dec 27 11:07:45 well, I'll find out whether I not I need to doctor this since I destroyed the original copy of PalmDatabase.db3 by accident Dec 27 11:07:56 modified copy is in place Dec 27 11:08:09 the delete statements worked Dec 27 11:08:23 for a couple of them it took almost a half hour for them to complete Dec 27 11:08:29 which is a surprise Dec 27 11:09:07 * bhuey crosses his fingers Dec 27 11:09:59 it booted, ok so far Dec 27 11:13:12 hmm, lots of data deleted, hmmm Dec 27 11:16:08 not good Dec 27 12:19:50 anyone? Dec 27 15:45:55 oooh Dec 27 15:46:02 kde4 has tiling support now Dec 27 16:53:32 heyho Dec 27 17:05:18 ice8lue: yo Dec 27 17:06:30 hey destinal Dec 27 17:48:41 Anyone know the palm website for accessing your profile Dec 27 17:48:59 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Dec 27 17:49:07 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface Dec 27 17:50:27 Thanks! **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 27 18:49:46 2010 Dec 27 19:10:58 destinal: hey, were you meaning to address me re: that DOOM question way back? Dec 27 19:13:06 sugardave: yeah I sent it to you simply because I saw your name on the wiki from that far back, but it's possible you just ported the article from the previous wiki Dec 27 19:13:46 hmm, I'm not sure I have it, I have Quake, though Dec 27 19:14:13 and yeah, I think I moved a bunch of articles eraly on Dec 27 19:14:15 this was the version you had to kill Luna to run and ran in directfb writing to the frame buffer Dec 27 19:14:20 really old Dec 27 19:14:27 yeah, I don't have that :D Dec 27 19:26:32 ping swisstomcat Dec 27 19:26:46 pong Dec 27 19:28:52 did you ever get your phone working Dec 27 19:29:17 swisstomcat: finally figured out the modem thing. just trying to pinpoint the issue you had Dec 27 19:29:26 oh Dec 27 19:29:40 my issue was that somehow the date reset itself to july 16th, 2010 Dec 27 19:29:55 when i changed that back, everything worked again Dec 27 19:30:10 swisstomcat: roger that :-) Dec 27 19:31:09 swisstomcat: much more simple than my issue was Dec 27 19:31:23 what was yours? Dec 27 19:31:40 the modem firmware was messed up and the doctor would not flash it Dec 27 19:31:50 phone kept showing offline Dec 27 19:32:22 swisstomcat: we talked when i first started trouble shooting i believe on Wednesday or something Dec 27 19:32:36 right Dec 27 19:33:39 swisstomcat: wrote out a wiki if you are curious http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Dec 27 19:34:09 oh, interesting Dec 27 19:34:14 so that made it work agian? Dec 27 19:35:07 swisstomcat: yup... had to manually force the flash because the doctor would error and not do the flash as the modem was "unknown" Dec 27 19:35:43 nice .. and great that you documented it Dec 27 19:35:53 swisstomcat: other people used different cdma tools which is way beyond me and has too many risks Dec 27 19:37:08 swisstomcat: ya it was such a relief and figured id save others grief since most called it "done" Dec 27 19:58:00 hello Dec 27 19:58:41 I got a prob with preware can someone please help? Dec 27 19:58:51 hello Dec 27 20:00:03 on feeds error Dec 27 20:02:27 no patience :/ Dec 27 20:27:42 * halfhalo is making/faking buisness cards! Dec 27 20:29:43 halfhalo: fake me some i want to look official Dec 27 20:31:08 swisstomcat: ping Dec 27 20:31:13 pong Dec 27 20:31:31 moooooo Dec 27 20:31:34 * swisstomcat wants to put "Bitstacker" on his business card Dec 27 20:31:51 * halfhalo needed some for ces Dec 27 20:31:56 could you retest the latest navit version? noradtux added some debug. We hope it help us to find the problems wy some Pre2 do not get GPS data Dec 27 20:32:10 i can do Dec 27 20:32:12 ipk is here http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.navit_0.5.0.3839-1_armv7.ipk Dec 27 20:32:21 hold on Dec 27 20:35:48 updating Dec 27 20:36:35 hape: i'm starting it Dec 27 20:37:50 check the versin. the frrd is pointing to an older version Dec 27 20:38:26 0.5.0.3849-1 Dec 27 20:38:30 it have to be 3739 Dec 27 20:38:33 from said testing feed Dec 27 20:39:13 vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed with 2 Dec 27 20:39:32 (process:6586): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in transport.c:2259 Dec 27 20:39:33 (process:6586): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Invalid permissions for (null) Dec 27 20:39:33 (process:6586): LunaService-CRITICAL **: sh != NULL from mainloop.c:65 @ LSGmainAttach Dec 27 20:40:31 ok, thanks Dec 27 20:40:36 hope that helps Dec 27 20:40:41 * halfhalo is using a firesafe to flatten his cards Dec 27 20:40:56 preware also had problems with service calls afaik .. not sure what they had to change Dec 27 20:43:43 http://www.sprint.com/landings/weboffers/images/palm_pixi_356x490.png Dec 27 20:43:44 ohh Dec 27 20:43:57 palm is sure innovating :) Dec 27 20:44:25 front facing camera on pixi, meh Dec 27 20:45:10 oil: http://forums.precentral.net/treocentral-com-precentral-net/271709-possible-new-pixi-article-moved-front-page.html Dec 27 20:45:15 read the post from dieter Dec 27 20:45:58 booo Dec 27 20:46:21 it is too obvious.. Dec 27 20:46:29 I don't think that's a light sensor Dec 27 20:46:56 I can't believe its not butter^H^H pixi2! Dec 27 20:51:09 * oil doesnt see those two circles on his pixi Dec 27 20:52:22 you have to shine light on there to see Dec 27 20:52:24 ok, with a bright light at just the right angle they're BARELY visible Dec 27 20:52:54 luls Dec 27 21:04:32 yeah, light and prox sensors I suppose? Dec 27 21:05:31 seems reasonable to guess tha Dec 27 21:05:32 t Dec 27 21:22:13 ~log Dec 27 21:22:14 from memory, log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ and the latest log is located at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt Dec 27 21:26:51 ~nom Dec 27 21:27:45 ~botsnack Dec 27 21:27:46 gkatsev: aw, gee Dec 27 21:28:10 ~botsmack Dec 27 21:28:10 OWW! Dec 27 21:44:27 ~lart halfhalo Dec 27 21:44:27 * infobot runs at halfhalo with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Dec 27 21:44:38 lol Dec 27 21:44:48 ~last gkatsev Dec 27 21:44:48 hey, bring my my knife back Dec 27 21:44:57 ~lart gkatsev Dec 27 21:44:57 * infobot takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in gkatsev's direction, hitting gkatsev and sending gkatsev flying into the closet Dec 27 21:45:07 I can't type today... Dec 27 21:45:19 ~lart halfhalo Dec 27 21:45:19 * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags halfhalo into court suing for $200 million Dec 27 21:45:24 nice Dec 27 21:45:38 * halfhalo countersues Dec 27 21:46:11 * swisstomcat gets a better lawyer Dec 27 21:46:22 lol Dec 27 21:46:24 * halfhalo files a civil suit Dec 27 21:46:59 * swisstomcat puts on a suit Dec 27 21:47:45 * halfhalo gets swiss's case thrown out on a technicality Dec 27 21:49:23 bah Dec 27 21:52:28 rawr Dec 27 22:47:18 hi swisstomcat Dec 27 23:58:42 what scriping languages are on the Palm Pre Dec 27 23:58:43 ? Dec 27 23:58:50 python ? perl ? ruby ? Dec 27 23:59:09 all of the above, through Optware Dec 27 23:59:12 and more Dec 27 23:59:47 erlang Dec 28 00:02:28 javascript ftw! Dec 28 00:02:36 node ftw! Dec 28 00:04:20 rwhitby: thanks, with a db3 interface as well ? Dec 28 00:04:30 I should be able to extrac that from opening up a session Dec 28 00:04:58 probably also available via optware, if not already Dec 28 00:06:15 yeah, looking for it now Dec 28 00:06:55 I'm kind of unexpectedly attempting to write some kind of PalmDatabase.db3 integrity checker and repairer Dec 28 00:07:39 I f-ed it up using the messaging patches and I've been looking at the tables to see how it can be repaired Dec 28 00:08:36 Hey Rwhitby Dec 28 00:09:20 How big of an impact would setting the device type to pre in the make file be instead of Pre2 Dec 28 00:10:58 it would use a different doctor as a starting point, and use castle instead of roadrunner to find things. Dec 28 00:11:07 in general, it probably wouldn't work Dec 28 00:11:22 ok because people with what seems to be working devices have that listed Dec 28 00:14:26 CTLAdvance: there are four people who have done it, and only one has it fully working, so "person" rather than "people" is the right way to describe it Dec 28 00:14:50 sorry one person Dec 28 00:14:52 And none of them have given a complete and accurate account of what they did, unfortunately. Dec 28 00:14:59 i know it Dec 28 00:15:28 And for the one person for whom it works, it is not reproducible by others using his instructions. Dec 28 00:27:45 hey folks! Dec 28 00:28:36 I just hit up D0lph1nk1ng about DKGoogle Voice, and he's open to it being open source Dec 28 00:29:14 I don't know what the best approach is from here.. gCode? SF.net? i was thinking it might be the best to go into the WebOS Internals repository? Dec 28 00:30:06 license? Dec 28 00:31:14 hm, good q. Dec 28 00:31:53 Let me rephrase what I said earlier: He just gave me the source code, and just said put it up. I assume that means I'm open to choose the license, but i will ask him Dec 28 00:32:09 s/I'm/we're Dec 28 00:35:23 ajay: he will need to specify the license, and put it in writing in a LICENSE file in the source code Dec 28 00:35:55 ajay: I'd recommend MIT or GPLv2 license Dec 28 00:36:43 yeah, those are the two popular ones Dec 28 00:36:52 rwhitby: where would he specify the license? When I think of a LICENSE file I am used to seeing just a copy of the GPL in there. Dec 28 00:37:09 MIT if he wants it to be available for commercial use, GPL if he wants it to remain open source everywhere it goes. Dec 28 00:37:26 ajay: yes, put a copy of the MIT license or the GPL license in the LICENSE file Dec 28 00:37:31 that's it? Dec 28 00:38:04 Does he need to say "I DK am putting this software under the [x license]" anywhere? Dec 28 00:38:10 well it's best to also reference that in every source file, but if it's made clear in the LICENSE file that it covers all source code in this particular package then that is good enough Dec 28 00:38:33 and if he can state it publicly somewhere that is good too Dec 28 00:39:25 okay i'll email him this, anything else I should ask/checkin with him? Dec 28 00:40:06 I'll ask him to mention it on his blog somewhere. Probably with a link to the repo Dec 28 00:40:20 yep, that would be perfect Dec 28 00:40:40 I'd suggest github as a good place to put the source code Dec 28 00:40:47 Palm has a group there Dec 28 00:42:18 looking at awstats now, i just see a generic LICENSE file with no references to license in the code so i think we're good Dec 28 00:43:38 I see a github.com/palm with 1 member. Seems like all internal stuff Dec 28 00:45:07 so would WebOS Internals git repo be the wrong place for this? Dec 28 00:45:31 does it do/use internal stuff ? Dec 28 00:46:06 i see drPodder, FMR in there.. Dec 28 00:46:45 yep, if there is someone who wants to maintain it in there, we would put it there. But if there is no-one who is taking ownership of it, I'd rather not have an elephant graveyard :) Dec 28 00:47:32 does it have to be a member of webOSInt? Dec 28 00:47:36 no Dec 28 00:48:24 * ajay is processing "an elephant graveyard" Dec 28 00:49:51 takes awhile doesn't it? Dec 28 00:49:59 Okay. wikipedia'd it, got it. :) Dec 28 00:51:19 (it has an external link about this legendary myth). Dec 28 00:52:10 rwhitby: I'd like to put it in there, and unless someone else wants, i'll take ownership. is there a process? Dec 28 00:52:40 (not meaning the technical cmds, but more administrative-ly speaking) Dec 28 00:52:49 ajay, its already an elephant graveyard, dont let rwhitby fool ya :) Dec 28 00:52:55 oil: ha Dec 28 00:53:05 ajay: send me your key Dec 28 00:53:08 oil: oh phew. I wish you would have told me that before i processed! Dec 28 00:53:26 rwhitby: Ahh man i've got keys all over the place, crap. Dec 28 00:53:31 ajay: see /msg Dec 28 00:56:13 * oil points out Dec 28 00:56:15 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ledservice.git;a=summary Dec 28 00:56:20 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/accelexample.git;a=summary Dec 28 00:56:26 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=libraries/directfb.git;a=summary Dec 28 00:56:30 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/ipkgmgrsrv.git;a=summary Dec 28 00:56:31 xD Dec 28 00:58:15 and many others which have not been touched in over a year Dec 28 00:58:46 yeah, I think we need a 'zzzobsolete' category Dec 28 01:00:08 or where a repo is setup and pushed to once then forgotten Dec 28 01:00:12 I've been using Linux since '96 fwiw Dec 28 01:00:17 oil: that whole directfb in a plugin thing never was fully realized. kind of sad. Dec 28 01:00:24 yeah Dec 28 01:00:25 it is Dec 28 01:00:36 ~seen ameng Dec 28 01:00:39 ameng <~Administr@221.220.195.208> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 60d 12h 56m 29s ago, saying: ':)'. Dec 28 01:00:44 is the reason that deprecated pkgs are left there so that nobody's links will break? Dec 28 01:01:01 * ajay args his newfound bad grammar Dec 28 01:01:21 oil: the directfb thing actually got just to the point where it was working before SDL came out Dec 28 01:01:26 and rendered it redundant Dec 28 01:01:27 yeah Dec 28 01:02:29 it is kind of sad :( Dec 28 01:03:34 ajay: someone may find the source useful in the future, but yes, I'm going to move them to an obsolete category Dec 28 01:03:55 any way we can move them to another page? as to not clutter up gitweb? Dec 28 01:04:13 only by setting up another git server Dec 28 01:04:21 ah Dec 28 01:04:35 but I can put them under 'zzzobsolete' so they are at the end Dec 28 01:05:04 there are probably some apps written for directFB that aren't avail for SDL no? Dec 28 01:06:35 oh SDL uses directFB huh? interesting.. does that mean any directFB app should be able to run already? Dec 28 01:07:28 ajay: no, it doesn't Dec 28 01:07:42 seems like it'd be fun to get that VNC client, maybe firefox, etc.. Dec 28 01:07:59 oil: I'm going to make the "Device" page in Impostah tell you whether you have paid app catalog access, and which country's catalog you are accessing. Dec 28 01:08:05 ajay: but the project above was intended to get directfb stuff running in a plugin in card in luna back when we had no other way to run native binary graphical apps Dec 28 01:08:21 destinal: ? maybe I misunderstood: SDL, the Simple DirectMedia Layer, is a library abstracting different platforms for game writers. It has a DirectFB backend utilizing all possible hardware acceleration. Dec 28 01:08:38 destinal: Ah, got it. Dec 28 01:10:39 seems like it could still be useful w/o the plugin stuff then.. Dec 28 01:11:20 * ajay says damn thunderbird where'd you let the rest of my acct settings go! Dec 28 01:11:38 brb, gotta reboot to install new harddrives :) Dec 28 01:12:31 * bhuey thinks about parsing the table generated from the sqlite3 output text Dec 28 01:14:11 * rwhitby bbl Dec 28 01:24:55 I am confused why there's a https://github.com/spdsktr/fmr and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/fmr.git tho.. Dec 28 01:27:56 indeed, that former is more recent Dec 28 01:28:04 so I'll remove the latter Dec 28 01:28:30 seems like it'd be better on WebOSI, but since there's at least one link to the first.. Dec 28 01:29:09 I want to send him a link to the LICENSES, but i wonder if asking him to pick a license is asking for too much work Dec 28 01:34:03 im looking for advice Dec 28 01:34:18 what linux distribution does webOS looks like most? Dec 28 01:35:11 none? Dec 28 01:35:14 hgc2002: looks like webos Dec 28 01:35:24 funny! Dec 28 01:35:30 preware definitely uses a derivative of the debian packaging system Dec 28 01:35:37 great! Dec 28 01:35:56 hgc2002: im not being funny. saying it how it is... the unix part is just about same as any other but the UI is WebOS Dec 28 01:36:13 debian is a better response Dec 28 01:36:17