**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 02:59:56 2010 Dec 28 03:03:20 any slingbox users here? Dec 28 03:40:45 this dude in #webOS is having trouble getting webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Hello_World to work.. does it? Dec 28 04:04:42 so nobody knows anything about that binary PDK? I tried to msg that person but they never hit me back **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 04:44:34 2010 Dec 28 05:16:39 alright, have a good night folks! Dec 28 05:16:58 * ajay weird luna, all those restarts/rescans made you stop updating time?? hmm.. Dec 28 05:17:22 rwhitby: hope you got my email! paz para ahorita.. Dec 28 07:31:44 hmm, is anyone still around who wanted to get the Palm webOS PDK going on Linux? I think I have something that may work at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux but need some testers who have any idea what the PDK should normally look like :) Dec 28 08:30:17 sorry about that Dec 28 08:30:20 what were u saying? Dec 28 08:30:49 i got a US pre 2 Dec 28 08:30:52 activated in the US Dec 28 08:30:56 i need 2100 band Dec 28 08:32:48 so tryign to get an EU pre- comm board and put it in Dec 28 08:33:02 i heard that works but u need the comm board activated in the US Dec 28 08:39:28 what u mean ur still online Dec 28 11:06:45 hmm, hacking through the messaging data representation in PalmDatabase.db3 is an endless maze Dec 28 11:07:05 It's pretty complicated and I'm not exactly sure why Dec 28 11:13:32 bhuey: yep, I gave up month ago on that. Just wait for 2.0 Dec 28 11:13:47 don't even try and get any data out of a 1.x messaging database Dec 28 11:13:57 just use Save/Restore and get the raw messages in HTML Dec 28 11:17:16 rwhitby: that's what I'll probably do Dec 28 11:17:37 rwhitby: it's a overly complicated system with a lot of bloat. Dec 28 11:17:51 makes me wonder if this was the main performance problem with the device Dec 28 11:17:54 yep, that's probably why it was completely rewritten for 2.0 Dec 28 11:18:26 if this was a couple of day project, then no problem but this is way more contorted than that Dec 28 11:19:10 the old db was prone to orphaning data Dec 28 11:19:37 was hoping that I could help with that, but that didn't happen Dec 28 12:26:25 afternoon Dec 28 14:25:42 oh wow i didnt actually know i was on efnet Dec 28 14:55:37 sharkie: lol re efnet Dec 28 15:20:53 heyho Dec 28 15:22:27 ice8lue: morning Dec 28 16:50:10 wow... someone is going through the entire wiki and translating pages into chinese???!!! Dec 28 16:50:12 wow. Dec 28 16:54:06 lol Dec 28 16:54:12 sweet Dec 28 16:58:04 Rick_work: do you think the way they're doing it is a good one? Just creating new pages with -ZH on the end? Dec 28 17:15:56 no, I'll create a chinese wiki and move them there and cross link the pages with "this page is available in Chinese.... Dec 28 17:16:03 but he's doing the WORK and that's fine for now. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:34 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 28 17:22:49 2010 Dec 28 17:24:12 hrm... Dec 28 17:49:24 any victims willing to try out Palm PDK on Linux? (howto get, install, and linux-patch the OSX SDK) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux Dec 28 18:03:28 :/ Dec 28 18:03:45 Rick_work: yeah, that guy is awesome Dec 28 18:03:59 lol Dec 28 18:23:11 Gaaa setting up interwiki requires setting up multiple wikis... arrrghhh. non-trivial bleh. Dec 28 19:00:22 destinal: give me a few hours and i may have time to test it out. but i will warn you now i dunno what kind of feed back i can give as i have not messed with the PDK yet. but i can tell you from a dummy stand point if it installed or not :) Dec 28 19:00:34 headed to the office now. adios Dec 28 19:01:01 Jack87-Home: ttyl Dec 28 19:05:39 I should whip out my laptop and give that a test destinal, I don't have any experience using the PDK yet either however. Dec 28 19:08:28 Loudergood: cool. I have no idea at this point how to proceed after it seems to be installed, myself. I think there's an eclipse plugin somewhere palm provides and some tutorials on how to use things, I guess we should try them Dec 28 19:09:02 yeah I have the eclipse plugin and sdk setup on my laptop already Dec 28 19:10:28 yeah, the eclipse plugin for SDK / mojo but I mean for native cross-compile and PDK apps Dec 28 19:10:40 i'm assuming it's different Dec 28 19:52:19 so far I've built xar, needed to grab openssl-dev for that(ubuntu 10.10) Dec 28 19:58:00 cool Dec 28 19:58:47 hmm..a failure Dec 28 19:59:32 sounds cmplicated Dec 28 19:59:40 hard to copy and paste that from one pc to another Dec 28 20:00:43 http://pastebin.com/vL7rL4cy Dec 28 20:00:50 * Jack87-Work made a mistake sitting in the front office instead of his own office. (secretary is making him watch her uncule on YouTube playing the acordian at Christmas family pary. ahhh! if anything was a living hell this is it) Dec 28 20:01:29 oh duh...curl not found lol Dec 28 20:03:23 Louder|laptop: ah, good, something to add to the wiki page :) Dec 28 20:06:02 Jack87-Work: I bet someone would help you by faking a phone call :) Dec 28 20:06:06 yeah I've been making addendums there Dec 28 20:06:48 is there a timed fake phone call app for webos btw? :) Dec 28 20:07:07 make one Dec 28 20:07:18 you can't initiate phone calls Dec 28 20:07:30 had an app idea but had to scrap it Dec 28 20:07:41 swisstomcat: I mean some way to send the right bus message to make it think a phone call is incoming Dec 28 20:07:56 ah Dec 28 20:07:59 that might work Dec 28 20:08:08 would a homebrew app be able to make a call? Dec 28 20:08:20 probably, not sure Dec 28 20:12:05 hmm looks like progress Dec 28 20:12:55 Tibfib: you are so smart! Dec 28 20:13:25 * Tibfib will assume that's not sarcastic and says thanks! Dec 28 20:13:28 :P Dec 28 20:13:36 swisstomcat: what if you used Google voice...? Dec 28 20:13:44 so via internet net call comes to phone Dec 28 20:14:06 Tibfib: wasnt being sarcastic :) Dec 28 20:14:30 heh, I think there is an app Dec 28 20:14:36 thatm might work Dec 28 20:14:43 but, it wouldn't be smooth downloading it and launching it Dec 28 20:15:07 shit you can even make it call your office number :) Dec 28 20:15:53 Tibfib: have to be preped ahead of time.. or just use wirc to tell some of the kind folk here :)_ Dec 28 20:16:18 hah Dec 28 20:17:03 * Jack87-Work isnt sure how to launch palm sdk in linux Dec 28 20:18:19 ~jack87 Dec 28 20:18:54 did infobot die? Dec 28 20:19:08 sdk? Dec 28 20:19:11 not pdk? Dec 28 20:19:18 swisstomcat: haha ya sdk Dec 28 20:19:27 how to launch it? Dec 28 20:21:32 ls Dec 28 20:21:44 totally in the wrong window, haha Dec 28 20:21:45 Jack87-Work, he is on holiday Dec 28 20:21:46 Louder|laptop: not found Dec 28 20:21:57 Louder|laptop, not found Dec 28 20:22:01 heh Dec 28 20:22:17 swisstomcat: scratch that.. im just being a newb. reading now Dec 28 20:22:50 by being a newb i mean i am a newb :) Dec 28 20:23:21 ka6sox: oh good. i was getting said. didnt even get a chance to say goodbye Dec 28 20:24:11 kk Dec 28 20:30:09 hmm..that's ugly Dec 28 20:31:04 ? Dec 28 20:31:19 probably a mistake on my end still Dec 28 20:31:32 all the steps in the wiki worked reasonably well Dec 28 20:31:43 now I'm working on seeing if it actually works Dec 28 20:42:56 not having xcode or visual studio means I have to setup a device.....which is being more work than I wanted it to be Dec 28 20:44:37 Louder|laptop: is there no eclipse plugin for PDK? Dec 28 20:44:50 that's what I'm investigating now Dec 28 20:50:18 so nova-browser doesn't seem to like openjdk java Dec 28 20:51:00 Louder|laptop: you need sun java 6 for SDK stuff Dec 28 20:51:26 destinal: Louder|laptop ... http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1941&Itemid=338 Dec 28 20:51:32 that might help? Dec 28 20:51:50 although thats for windows Dec 28 20:52:15 yeah I'm noticing that it's in a folder in the windows pdk Dec 28 20:53:25 Louder|laptop: have you tried a command line build like http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1977&Itemid=374 Dec 28 20:53:29 with the OSX instructions? Dec 28 20:54:31 hum does anyone have phone charging on touch stone and plugged into pc? Dec 28 20:54:43 hum not sure if that is good or bad Dec 28 20:56:33 Jack87-Work: do you mean the touchstone is plugged into a pc? or the phone is? Dec 28 20:56:55 Jack87-Work: I've heard that's bad. Dec 28 20:57:17 at least IIRC according to the touchstone pamphlet thingy you get Dec 28 20:57:29 Louder|laptop: phone... touchstone to wall phone on touchstone and usb from phone to pc Dec 28 20:57:54 * Jack87-Work has never read the touchstone pamphlet Dec 28 20:58:00 looking for it now Dec 28 20:58:06 Jack87-Work: oh, Dec 28 20:58:12 I was thinking you meant something different Dec 28 20:58:13 no clue Dec 28 20:58:26 I'm not sure if that wouldn't overwork the charger? Dec 28 20:58:46 but the combined power shouldn't be much different from the wall wart Dec 28 20:59:07 might get a bit hot though Dec 28 20:59:23 any ideeas why any attempt to download any app in the App Catalog results in a "download failed" on a unlocked Pre 2 phone in Europe with a US based palm account Dec 28 20:59:41 WebOS version 2.0.1 Dec 28 21:00:08 i guess better safe than sorry not to use touchstone Dec 28 21:02:30 valexa: what's the date on your phone? Dec 28 21:07:18 swisstomcat: its set to network timezone and date, its correct GMT+1 date/time Dec 28 21:07:43 because i had that error on my pre plus and the date was way off (july 16th, 2010) Dec 28 21:08:10 yea i have seen that on the forums but this does not look to be the case Dec 28 21:08:28 this is for any app? Dec 28 21:10:01 yep Dec 28 21:10:37 they just get added to the launcher with a yellow warning icon and no matter how many retries they never download Dec 28 21:12:23 Jack87-Work: I would hope inductive and usb charging are on a switch so only one or the other charges the device Dec 28 21:12:51 destinal: i would hope so to but i dont think they are. Dec 28 21:13:40 valexa: yeah, same happened on my device. where was your pre 2 activated? new palm profile? Dec 28 21:15:53 yep Dec 28 21:15:56 destinal: having no webos 1.4 device is complicating this...it'll take me a while to fix that... Dec 28 21:16:32 oh, 1.4.5. pdk doesn't support pre2 in their device install tool, do they Dec 28 21:16:49 nope Dec 28 21:16:56 should be possible to patch the script Dec 28 21:16:57 swisstomcat: is there any way to access the console/logs of the device ? Dec 28 21:17:02 yeah Dec 28 21:17:02 you may be right.. Dec 28 21:17:26 valexa: did you enable developer mode and do you have the SDK installed? Dec 28 21:17:56 install lumberjack from preware Dec 28 21:18:47 swisstomcat: yes and yes Dec 28 21:19:37 "oh.. I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay..." Dec 28 21:22:58 valexa: plug the device in via usb. then on a command prompt/terminal type: novacom -t open tty:// Dec 28 21:23:21 nevermind destinal, this seems to be working Dec 28 21:27:12 rebooting device Dec 28 21:28:07 Louder|laptop: cool Dec 28 21:28:38 there are some build for host scripts in the sample code that aren't happy though Dec 28 21:28:44 looking for cocoa stuff Dec 28 21:28:55 but I'm sure that wont matter on device Dec 28 21:31:58 valexa: and then tail -f /var/log/messages Dec 28 21:33:02 yay! Dec 28 21:33:35 swisstomcat: problem is the device is not detected, "palm-install -d usb -l" palm-install: no device found Dec 28 21:33:44 oh Dec 28 21:33:52 right Dec 28 21:34:08 system_profiler SPUSBDataType | grep Palm says "Vendor ID: 0x0830 (Palm Inc.)" Dec 28 21:34:24 the pre2 has a new device id that is not recognized by the older SDK Dec 28 21:34:50 i updated the sdk minutes ago .. 1.4.5.465 Dec 28 21:35:15 there is a newer one for early access developers Dec 28 21:35:36 not sure if the novacom drivers for linux can be extracted from the webos-doctor for the pre2 Dec 28 21:36:55 swisstomcat: noone told me there is a newer one, can't find any references to it, palm sent me the phone last week Dec 28 21:37:26 ah, a developer phone Dec 28 21:37:27 nice Dec 28 21:39:27 valexa: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre_2_2 Dec 28 21:39:35 download a webos doctor for the pre2 Dec 28 21:40:01 swisstomcat: they include drivers for Windows and OSX Dec 28 21:40:06 not for linux? Dec 28 21:40:11 nope Dec 28 21:40:13 :/ Dec 28 21:40:17 I hexedited mine to work with pre2 Dec 28 21:41:02 but it may stop it from working with a pre. switching out isn't too painful for now Dec 28 21:41:47 valexa: i guess you need to sign up for the early access developer program: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3573 Dec 28 21:42:05 that way you'll be able to get the newer sdk and novacom drivers (for linux) Dec 28 21:42:12 does the pre2 have an stk? Dec 28 21:42:13 that will work with the pre 2 Dec 28 21:42:19 stk? Dec 28 21:42:23 sim toolkit Dec 28 21:42:32 i think so Dec 28 21:42:38 let me check Dec 28 21:42:53 i saw an ipk for it in the 2.0 doctors, couldn't get it on a pre+ Dec 28 21:44:06 yeah, "sim toolkit" is there Dec 28 21:44:36 cool. dual sims may be on there way then Dec 28 21:49:20 swisstomcat: downloading the doctor, using OSX btw not linux Dec 28 21:49:43 oh Dec 28 21:49:49 then you should be ok Dec 28 21:49:58 to install the newer novacom drivers from there Dec 28 21:50:14 swisstomcat: tail -f /var/log/messages very handy! thanks Dec 28 21:50:23 np Dec 28 21:50:36 it's a basic embedded linux after all Dec 28 21:51:17 swisstomcat: We have some feedback about the GPS problem https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=10526 Dec 28 21:51:55 hape: interesting Dec 28 21:52:49 That wy I posted it here, could be interesting for other PDK developers too Dec 28 21:53:07 yeah Dec 28 21:53:41 if you need any testing done, feel free to ask (also noradtux) Dec 28 21:54:17 swisstomcat: We wil do .... Dec 28 21:54:22 thanks for the offer Dec 28 21:55:12 swisstomcat: do you think there is a wikipage that fits tail -f /var/log/messages ? Dec 28 21:55:13 the community should sponsor a pre2 for you or noradtux Dec 28 21:55:25 jack87-work: hmm, let me check Dec 28 21:55:27 i cant find it so i figured id add it to something it might git in Dec 28 21:55:33 fit* Dec 28 21:56:10 hum.. we dont even have a lumberjack wiki page Dec 28 21:56:21 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Detecting_Application_Errors,_Syslog Dec 28 21:56:28 swisstomcat: :D Dec 28 21:57:18 * Jack87-Work is not being a very good searcher and found lumberjack as well now Dec 28 21:57:37 i just used the wiki's search function :) Dec 28 21:58:44 i did to haha Dec 28 21:59:24 anyway.. i want to add that command line to lumberjack wiki page as alternative via linux access does anyone object? Dec 28 22:00:05 why not? Dec 28 22:02:08 swisstomcat: i dunno... some people might be anal and think it doesnt apply? Dec 28 22:02:29 it's a wiki, so they can delete it :) Dec 28 22:03:00 Next on Discovery, wikipedia wars! Dec 28 22:03:12 I would watch that Dec 28 22:04:02 swisstomcat: hit a dead end again im afraid, running doctor to the point it says to connect the device, i connect it but the next button stays grayed, tried both disk mode and standard mode Dec 28 22:04:53 you'll want to extract the novacom drivers from the webos-doctor Dec 28 22:04:56 not run it Dec 28 22:05:22 destinal: did you try to extract the os x novacom drivers from the webos doctor? Dec 28 22:05:23 ah Dec 28 22:05:57 swisstomcat: yeah I've run them before Dec 28 22:06:00 from there Dec 28 22:06:09 how? i've never tried it Dec 28 22:06:18 is there an installable package inside the doctor? Dec 28 22:06:50 swisstomcat: yeah, I used the metadoctor unpack script but you could just unzip and untar by hand Dec 28 22:07:31 yup yup Dec 28 22:07:48 You can also just run the doctor and let it install drivers then stop it Dec 28 22:08:16 don't need a pre connected or anything Dec 28 22:08:21 i only find windows installers .... novacominstaler_x86.msi Dec 28 22:08:57 valexa_: it is within the SDK dmg Dec 28 22:09:07 i mean doctor jar Dec 28 22:09:31 there's a pkg file Dec 28 22:10:01 NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz Dec 28 22:10:23 ahh found that but isn't it for linux ? Dec 28 22:10:54 the pkg is an OSX package Dec 28 22:11:06 there's no Linux driver included Dec 28 22:11:17 oops yea the tar.gz thrown me off Dec 28 22:11:50 Hm, w7 available apps from official channels have already surpassed webOS Dec 28 22:12:16 chrisa: yeah but w7 still sucks :) Dec 28 22:12:49 chrisa: wp7? thanks for rubbing it it sheesh Dec 28 22:12:58 Actually, it does what it does pretty well Dec 28 22:12:59 for the record.. its still windows :) Dec 28 22:13:04 Its notification system isn't very good though Dec 28 22:13:07 if there were a decent browser at least Dec 28 22:13:14 Better than apple's, worse than android's Dec 28 22:13:36 chrisa: do you miss your work with webos? Dec 28 22:13:57 I really enjoy not working on phones Dec 28 22:14:31 what are you working on? Dec 28 22:14:37 Can't say :O Dec 28 22:14:44 tablets :) Dec 28 22:14:52 nah, I worked on a tablet Dec 28 22:14:56 It was just like working on a phone Dec 28 22:15:00 printers? Dec 28 22:15:06 lol Dec 28 22:15:08 I don't work for HP, so no Dec 28 22:15:31 honestly, any project at palm is going to feel basically the same at this point Dec 28 22:15:43 like what? Dec 28 22:15:56 feel like taking up a drinking habit ? Dec 28 22:16:01 Bring up board (unless it has been used), bring up webOS, tweak appropriately Dec 28 22:16:10 swisstomcat: ok im wathing the log now it says this wile tryign to download: "roadrunner user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: com.palm.app.swmanager: Error: Catalog.download failed.init error: -1, palmInitFramework363:2567" Dec 28 22:16:18 morning Dec 28 22:16:48 valexa: i had the same error .. doesn't help much Dec 28 22:16:53 not very specific Dec 28 22:17:16 * Jack87-Work has never considered the pre to be a phone... intresting Dec 28 22:17:22 the only other one i find is "[activitymanager.lunabus] No valid names found for service "/var/run/ls2/K2N03P" while processing service connect update" rest look like normal messages Dec 28 22:17:32 rwhitby: hello Dec 28 22:19:14 hmm, any ideas why the sdk reports my device's name as "roadrunner-linux" Dec 28 22:19:20 that's normal Dec 28 22:19:35 pre-/pre+ is castle-linux Dec 28 22:19:36 palm gave up on architecture. Dec 28 22:20:22 valexa: how was the device activated and where? Dec 28 22:24:36 swisstomcat: i think he said it was activated in EU but is using a US profile (i dont think profile makes much of a difference it has to do where phone was activated) Dec 28 22:25:06 yeah Dec 28 22:25:15 where activated is the most important question Dec 28 22:25:20 first activation Dec 28 22:28:25 * Jack87-Work is reading through all documentation for newb developers. is that a good place to start? Dec 28 22:29:03 sdk? Dec 28 22:29:14 all Dec 28 22:29:24 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1648&Itemid=43 Dec 28 22:29:43 swisstomcat: activated here GMT+2 , however with the palm account country set to US ... that might be causing it Dec 28 22:29:44 run through a few of the samples, that's usually a big help Dec 28 22:30:16 swisstomcat: as to the how, activated after booting the device on the first run Dec 28 22:30:19 jack87-work: i can recommend a 5-part tutorial: http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/webos/webos-introduction_part-5/ Dec 28 22:30:24 Louder|laptop: should i just dive into the samples?... maybe read some docs afterwords? Dec 28 22:31:46 swisstomcat: so you second that seems like? thanks.. that seems to be making a lot more sense than what i was reading from palm (which i will prolly get back to after i have a better understanding) Dec 28 22:32:13 depends how you learn. i learn best by example Dec 28 22:32:21 thus i created those tutorials :) Dec 28 22:32:41 Jack87-Work: palm and swisstomcat have created some nice walkthroughs Dec 28 22:32:47 seperately Dec 28 22:33:11 webos101.com is good too Dec 28 22:33:54 valexa: you should be still able to download free apps i assume Dec 28 22:34:02 swisstomcat: thanks for documenting all that Dec 28 22:36:00 man the ubuntu repositories are sloooooow today Dec 28 22:36:25 jack87-work: thx .. feedback appreciated Dec 28 22:37:18 Who is interested in helping me with the @webosinternals stand at FOSDEM 2011 (5/6 Februrary, Brussels, Belgium) Dec 28 22:37:26 swisstomcat: should being the key word Dec 28 22:37:53 I am going to tackle it while at work and let you know how it goes. Dec 28 22:38:05 valexa: and you created a new profile on the pre2 when you activated it? Dec 28 22:38:21 yes Dec 28 22:38:41 is anyone working on tethering on unlocked GSM Palm Pre 2 phones? Dec 28 22:38:58 valexa: country of activation? Dec 28 22:39:13 * Jack87-Work would volunteer if he were in Brussels Dec 28 22:39:49 msw: not that i know of. I am sure aonic will do something for mytether. as fo PuffTheMagic i havent herd anything about him messing with freetether Dec 28 22:40:42 Jack87-Work: aonic seems MIA from the mytether forums - it's going to need some rework for the java-less luna Dec 28 22:40:44 i bet its simple fix.. maybe some changes in the service Dec 28 22:41:24 msw: he doesnt have a webos 2.0 device. but i am sure he will jump on it and release and update when he gets one Dec 28 22:41:44 swisstomcat: so i turned off wifi and downloading the apps with the carrier connection works ... Dec 28 22:41:54 really Dec 28 22:41:56 strange Dec 28 22:42:01 yep Dec 28 22:42:11 swisstomcat: i think his country has access to all apps? Dec 28 22:42:25 do you have a strange wifi? Dec 28 22:43:10 well it is firewalled trough a linux box Dec 28 22:43:31 but the downloads are HTTP so NAT should not be a factor i think Dec 28 22:43:37 * msw hops on an airplane Dec 28 22:45:10 that might be the only possible explanation Dec 28 22:45:19 for me it was because the phone date was off Dec 28 22:45:30 but without proper error reporting, one can only guess Dec 28 22:45:42 valexa_: does your phone have cell service? Dec 28 22:46:14 i guess it does since you could browse catalog Dec 28 22:47:04 yes .. 3G, that is what the downloads work trough, when i enable wifi they don't but everything otherwise requiring network connections is fine Dec 28 22:48:04 Jack87-Work: um, MyTether will need to be completely rewritten for 2.0 Dec 28 22:48:52 rwhitby: is that the case for freethether to? Dec 28 22:49:59 nope Dec 28 22:50:02 swisstomcat: when following your tutorial i created helloworld dir in my home dir... is that where it is supposed to be? Dec 28 22:50:03 it's already C Dec 28 22:50:20 rwhitby: gotcha thanks Dec 28 22:50:34 jack87-work: that should work Dec 28 22:51:38 goodn8 everyone Dec 28 22:51:50 goodnight swisstomcat Dec 28 22:56:16 rwhitby: is freeTether functional as it stands? Dec 28 22:56:35 for webos 2.x.x Dec 28 22:56:52 dunno, I use official tethering app on a non-nazi carrier Dec 28 22:57:04 rwhitby: hehe Dec 28 22:57:59 IRC is so much cheaper than SMS Dec 28 22:58:24 anyone know of an IRC to SMS gateway? Dec 28 23:01:13 hum... is there a way to view line numbers via gedit? Dec 28 23:01:48 found it Dec 28 23:05:51 freeTether will support 2.0 soon Dec 28 23:08:06 * PuffTheMagic thinks someone should start a freeTether motivation fund Dec 28 23:08:11 lol Dec 28 23:10:18 PuffTheMagic: what's your paypal address - I'll tweet it Dec 28 23:10:21 if I had disposable income I'd contribute Dec 28 23:10:44 PuffTheMagic: or do a http://www.chipin.com/ Dec 28 23:11:20 raise $1K for freeTether to your personal paypal address Dec 28 23:11:47 anyone wanna hire a geophysicist? I also have experience with technical support :) Dec 28 23:12:46 rwhitby, is there a way to "tag" donations with an id cause i would be splitting this with egaudet Dec 28 23:12:55 has anyone ever wondered how palm did output video on the first CES presentation of introducing the original palm pre? Dec 28 23:13:50 Jack87-Work: they probably just had a special board made with VGA or DVI out Dec 28 23:14:11 that'd be sweet for a produciton model Dec 28 23:14:13 but they failed it Dec 28 23:14:14 ? Dec 28 23:14:36 ShadeS: they never had any interest in making a prod model that way Dec 28 23:15:20 destinal: i remember that PDA net had a program for palm os devices and controling them via PC as well as receiving video output through USB Dec 28 23:15:21 PuffTheMagic: best to set up a separate address for a specific chipin and then just divvy it up yourselves Dec 28 23:15:53 just be nice to text and junk without picking up my phone while working on computer. miss that from palm os Dec 28 23:15:55 PuffTheMagic: you could also set up the email address to forward to both of you Dec 28 23:16:41 Jack87-Work: we should be able to make a VNC server Dec 28 23:17:24 just capture the framebuffer at a reasonably fast rate and then stuff input in Dec 28 23:17:32 destinal: VNC server for webos and connect via client on computer? Dec 28 23:17:35 ahh i created a button Dec 28 23:17:39 with a freetether tag Dec 28 23:17:41 should work via USB in USB net or wifi Dec 28 23:17:42 this should work Dec 28 23:17:45 Jack87-Work: yeah Dec 28 23:18:37 destinal: is there a vnc client that can run shell commands to? Dec 28 23:18:55 Jack87-Work: eh? Dec 28 23:18:58 that be the ultimate homebrew tool Dec 28 23:19:00 what do you mean Dec 28 23:19:22 i mean that with vlc client you can gain access to novaterm/ssh commands? Dec 28 23:19:44 Jack87-Work: well you could just run terminal Dec 28 23:19:45 just talking out off my ass wondering if there are such clients if not... you can always novaterm :) Dec 28 23:19:59 Jack87-Work: since you'd be in the GUI Dec 28 23:20:25 destinal: very true... but no copy/paste features for lazy folk like myself Dec 28 23:20:52 Jack87-Work: does VNC normally support things like clipboard sharing? Dec 28 23:20:52 rwhitby, if you want to retweet my latest tweet that would be cool Dec 28 23:20:59 or remote copy / paste? Dec 28 23:21:16 destinal: good point.. i dont think it does.. that RDP eh Dec 28 23:21:18 Jack87-Work: if you want a command line over wifi or usb just ssh :) Dec 28 23:21:39 no reason not to run both at the same time Dec 28 23:22:22 yup... hum... are you up for taking on the task of a VNC server? Dec 28 23:22:30 haha i wish i had the skill Dec 28 23:23:12 PuffTheMagic: does free tether have switch for turning on/off usbnet? Dec 28 23:23:38 it did, and it still could Dec 28 23:23:41 but Dec 28 23:23:56 usbnet cant really be toggled Dec 28 23:24:04 i know requires reboot Dec 28 23:24:09 ehh Dec 28 23:24:18 not completely accurate Dec 28 23:24:22 oh? Dec 28 23:24:41 the usb_gadget driver can be configured once per boot it seems Dec 28 23:24:44 else it will crash Dec 28 23:24:53 so if u dont already have usbnet or novacom enabled Dec 28 23:25:03 u could enable them on the fly Dec 28 23:25:06 once Dec 28 23:25:14 but after that it crashes Dec 28 23:25:19 is this new in webos 2.0? Dec 28 23:25:21 im gonna have to do more playing around with that Dec 28 23:25:23