**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 29 02:59:57 2010 Dec 29 03:35:38 hi all Dec 29 03:35:45 anyone help me? Dec 29 03:37:57 i just confi evdo! Dec 29 03:38:09 if i re-flash os, i will lost evdo or not? Dec 29 04:11:43 ikukumalu1, nope... Dec 29 04:11:53 doesnt' go away if you just reflash it with what is on it. Dec 29 04:16:29 thanks Dec 29 04:16:42 actually, i try to bypass, Dec 29 04:16:48 so i can not use backup.... Dec 29 04:16:58 now i want to active palm profile Dec 29 05:19:15 hey, i'm having trouble with setting up a cross-compiling env in Debian Dec 29 05:19:27 I got all the way up to 'make stage' Dec 29 05:19:46 but then I get a nice "PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (/usr/share/scratchbox2/lua_scripts/mapping.lua:408: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value))" Dec 29 05:50:15 it looks like debilater had this same problem, but got past it somehow and didn't post how Dec 29 05:51:08 halfhalo: what are you up to? Dec 29 05:51:20 world domination, the usual Dec 29 05:51:33 through gitosis web interfaces Dec 29 05:51:35 why not just write a script and all you have to do is change the url in the script Dec 29 05:51:38 using wget Dec 29 05:51:57 and ssh... so you can do it from any device that will allow you to ssh into your pre Dec 29 05:52:20 Jack87-Home: who/what are you talking to/about? Dec 29 05:52:33 thats the easy/non flexible way out Dec 29 05:52:37 my way is much cooler Dec 29 05:52:43 and can do more stuff. Theoretically Dec 29 05:52:56 Urge to punch Boxee risinggg. Dec 29 05:52:58 fahhem: sorry bit late in the game was talking to half halo Dec 29 05:53:42 halfhalo: what did you have in mind. paint us the big picture Dec 29 05:54:01 Thats even MORE effort Dec 29 05:55:43 not that much... start off with.. and you finish.. halfhalo says: I am working on a program to allow me to install apps using just the URL on the PC and give me the ability to....\ Dec 29 05:56:06 tldr Dec 29 05:56:31 so it's Neato for IPKs? P: Dec 29 05:57:25 * Jack87-Home gives up while scratching his head Dec 29 05:57:34 Generally the best plan Dec 29 05:59:56 perhaps i should just go drinking tonight Dec 29 06:24:50 dtzWill: you are scaring me Dec 29 06:25:08 moooooooooo Dec 29 06:26:26 Jack87-Home: part of a joke in a different channel :) Dec 29 06:26:37 your a different channel Dec 29 06:26:46 :D Dec 29 06:27:12 i am Dec 29 06:27:31 /join #dtzWill Dec 29 06:27:33 whoops Dec 29 06:27:35 hehehe.... Dec 29 06:27:54 lol Dec 29 06:28:39 haha Dec 29 06:29:48 hahaha Dec 29 06:48:55 everyone is in their zone! Dec 29 07:27:05 sleepy Dec 29 07:27:20 Jack87-Home: so sleep! ;) Dec 29 07:28:03 dtzWill: god you are so smart! i didnt even think of that as an option.. i forgot you can willingly go to sleep without passout on the keyboard Dec 29 07:28:40 Jack87-Home: :P Dec 29 07:29:49 need a movie to watch to wind down. any suggestions anyone Dec 29 07:30:01 Alien3 Dec 29 07:30:17 (actually she was cuter in the original one) Dec 29 07:30:19 * Jack87-Home hasnt seen any of the other aliens Dec 29 07:30:39 ka6sox: cute as in cuddely? Dec 29 07:30:42 howdy Dec 29 07:30:49 hi ajay Dec 29 07:30:49 hmm, ka6 sounds like a HAM Dec 29 07:31:02 well..she has always been kinda skinny Dec 29 07:31:25 but I remember saying "just forget the damned cat" like 40billion times. Dec 29 07:31:25 cute as in attractive? ka6sox you like em skinny? Dec 29 07:31:34 hahaha Dec 29 07:31:35 Jack87-Home, yup Dec 29 07:31:47 hiya aj Dec 29 07:32:58 * Jack87-Home wants to download the internet Dec 29 07:33:06 where to start? Dec 29 07:33:43 Jack87-Home: sounds like a lot of carbon emissions.. Dec 29 07:34:04 evernote seems hot! Dec 29 07:34:11 (unrelatedly) so does twilio! yowza.. Dec 29 07:34:16 ajay: what if I used solar power Dec 29 07:34:34 to power the internet? that'd be a great idea Dec 29 07:44:02 ajay: ya... take over a ton of land in nevada right under the sun.. it could power the internet and all of the US! Dec 29 07:44:34 add some windmills to! cant go wrong with desert winds especially at night! Dec 29 07:44:50 i took my bike from utah to la and the winds were the scariest part Dec 29 07:50:20 jack oops didn't mean to pm ya Dec 29 07:50:21 haha Dec 29 07:50:28 Jack87-Home: cool let me know how that all goes Dec 29 07:50:33 bikin to utah? oh! bestill my heart Dec 29 07:51:09 from ut..and back.. but bike w/ an engine Dec 29 07:51:13 eww Dec 29 07:51:16 more carbon Dec 29 07:51:40 haha beats a suv. i am so eco Dec 29 08:00:25 if anyone here knows debilator, please tell him to explain how he fixed his WIDK installation to finally work, i keep running into the same errors he asked about Dec 29 08:00:33 how can i start xserver/gui on ubuntu Dec 29 08:00:40 but he never explained how he fixed them so i'm just finding his questions in google Dec 29 08:00:41 in terminal only boot right now Dec 29 08:00:50 Jack87-Home: sudo startx ? Dec 29 08:01:05 that works in Debian and Gentoo Dec 29 08:01:11 thank you. been awhile Dec 29 08:02:15 oh man my computer is givingup whatever that means Dec 29 08:03:15 coming to life yay Dec 29 08:04:55 fahhem: did he write in the chat? it might be in the logs Dec 29 08:05:23 http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/ Dec 29 08:06:05 yeah, but that's all i'm getting Dec 29 08:06:23 he asks "now i get this error" and then a few minutes later he's onto a new error Dec 29 08:06:33 never says "oh, i needed to upgrade qemu" etc Dec 29 08:10:29 fahhem: did some online stocking and found his website with a contact page Dec 29 08:10:30 http://www.daemon.de/PalmPre Dec 29 08:12:56 thanks, didn't think of stalking him Dec 29 08:13:18 stalking.. haha thats right Dec 29 08:18:13 are you sure that's his website? Dec 29 08:18:34 yup Dec 29 08:18:46 found it on his precentral profile Dec 29 08:22:34 fahhem: goodluck Dec 29 08:23:12 man i'd like to fix my widk.. Dec 29 08:23:50 fahhem: check out his sig http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/229753-stella-atari-2600-vcs-emulator.html Dec 29 08:24:00 thanks Dec 29 08:30:38 i had killed my x... and its config.. finally got it going again. Dec 29 08:31:07 that's the main reason why i don't have linux as my main computer anymore Dec 29 08:31:23 i killed X so much that I had to reinstall linux entirely twice Dec 29 08:31:30 ouch Dec 29 08:31:47 i was afraid it was going to lead to that Dec 29 08:32:05 i touch .conf files too much O:-) Dec 29 08:32:07 i guess thats when VMs and backing up VMs comes in handy Dec 29 08:32:20 lol i am bad at backing em up Dec 29 08:32:58 mine though i think happened because when i told it to shut down earlier today it sorta froze for some unknown reason so i just used power button Dec 29 08:33:54 hey do others experince video ripping when using linux? i always see lines across my videos Dec 29 08:34:48 if your computer can't handle decoding fast enough you'll get the ripping Dec 29 08:35:11 i get it when i'm compiling in the bg while watching something Dec 29 08:36:02 thats so odd... i mean im on core i5 4 gigs of ram and when even its just the video Dec 29 08:37:11 then it's probably something else :P Dec 29 08:37:16 what's the resolution of the video? Dec 29 08:37:41 if you don't cache enough of it from your hard drive you might be running into IO issues there Dec 29 08:38:57 all sorts.. mostly... stuff like 624x336.... dvd rips Dec 29 08:41:09 ah-ha, i need to set SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD to something somehow... Dec 29 08:42:14 did you hear from him?? Dec 29 08:43:00 no, figured it out, but i don't know what to set it to... Dec 29 09:06:28 ok think that's all for now.. Dec 29 09:12:45 anyone know if the wifi radio of pixi is on the com board or the main board? Dec 29 09:24:32 i need clarification... so pixi esn is attached to main board but pre esn is attached to com board?... someone correct me if i am wrong please Dec 29 09:25:56 Jack87-Home, comm Dec 29 09:26:21 ka6sox: esn is attached to com board of pixi? Dec 29 09:26:23 pixi esn is on main board, since it's a single SoC Dec 29 09:26:42 ok thanks rwhitby thats what i thought Dec 29 09:26:48 Jack87-Home, ^^^ what rwhitby said :D Dec 29 09:27:10 pixi esn = main board..... pre esn = comm board Dec 29 09:34:59 yep Dec 29 10:16:54 thanks rwhitby Dec 29 11:33:01 anybody have this issue with installing the WIDK? ERROR: Fatal: Rule file interface version check failed: No version information in /tmp/sb2.../rules/Default.lua Dec 29 15:56:24 whats the easiest way to find out the webos version in mojo? Dec 29 17:10:56 Hello all! Dec 29 17:11:50 I'm a bit new at IRC, but have a question. Dec 29 17:12:19 I'm RizP (@rparvez on Twitter), and I just signed on with Precentral to contribute to the blog. Dec 29 17:12:52 I'm trying to write a story on @_puffthemagic_ and freetether, and was hoping to get some info Dec 29 17:13:06 :D Dec 29 17:13:14 awesome! Dec 29 17:13:17 hey dude!\ Dec 29 17:13:32 hi Dec 29 17:14:03 so I'm trying to do a post to the blog after seeing the screenshot of the work you're doing Dec 29 17:14:20 screenshot? Dec 29 17:14:35 yeah, on twitter. Dec 29 17:14:39 wait a sec... Dec 29 17:15:26 i didnt think i posted any pics of what the new one might look like Dec 29 17:15:27 http://ompldr.org/vNnJvNw Dec 29 17:15:40 how did u find that Dec 29 17:16:19 I'm in the Precentral writers group Dec 29 17:16:24 I got the link from there Dec 29 17:16:34 perhaps it was a DM from @webosinternals to Dieter? Dec 29 17:17:07 the writer's group is a private yahoo group precentral uses as a way of organizing who's posting what. Dec 29 17:17:44 * PuffTheMagic still wonders how that got out Dec 29 17:17:47 but here is another http://ompldr.org/vNnJ1Yw Dec 29 17:17:48 ;) Dec 29 17:17:59 the gui layout/organization is not set in stone right now Dec 29 17:18:31 sweet Dec 29 17:19:50 so I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to the technical side of this stuff. Those are all different methods of establishing a tether? Dec 29 17:20:57 thats one of the options that might be hidden in a menu or not exposed we will see... its for configuring the usbport Dec 29 17:21:13 enabling dev mode or usbnet (without rebooting) Dec 29 17:21:31 it will actually most likely get moved to its own service/gui Dec 29 17:21:43 I see. nice Dec 29 17:21:49 but for now its in freetether so people can tether over usb easily Dec 29 17:21:59 I see.\ Dec 29 17:22:08 normal methods for that require rebooting which is less optimal Dec 29 17:23:12 PuffTheMagic: why not just have individual checkboxes and AND the results together? Dec 29 17:23:29 yeah, rebooting is a bother for sure. Dec 29 17:23:51 PuffTheMagic: I thought each setting had its own bit and was AND'd into the number that's sent, but maybe I'm wrong Dec 29 17:24:03 destinal, cause then i would have to do fancy bitshifts or something to figure out the result and i dont want to Dec 29 17:24:09 plus it would allow of illegal combos Dec 29 17:24:13 which i dont want to deal with Dec 29 17:24:24 not all permutations are allowed Dec 29 17:24:36 s/allowed/supported/ Dec 29 17:24:44 hmm Dec 29 17:25:02 there is no such thing as a "fancy" bit shift damnit :P Dec 29 17:26:07 Guest2137, just a fyi... while I did the version of freeTether that came out last year my self... i've recruited egaudet to help on the new version, so its a joint effort Dec 29 17:26:27 cause im lazy ;) Dec 29 17:27:03 I see. I'll definitely make sure you're both credited in the post. Hey, I don't want to clog up the sophisticated discussion here with my super-basic questions. Should we move this to e-mail? Dec 29 17:27:12 lol Dec 29 17:27:57 Guest2137, no here is fine Dec 29 17:28:07 ok, cool. Dec 29 17:29:05 So again, sorry for the basicness of the questions. What are the changes/adds in the next v. of freetether over this one? Dec 29 17:31:50 And also, I want to make sure I'm understanding the current version. Freetether 0.0.1 allows for IP forwarding and NAT so USB tethering can be accomplished? WiFi tethering is not something directly possible with 0.0.1? Dec 29 17:31:52 everything will -just- work, all 3 interfaces (wifi, bt, usb) Dec 29 17:32:27 Guest2137, well the initial version was really just a proof of concept, it didnt require any dirty binary hacking like myTether did, however, when I wrote the first freeTether, mobile hotspot wasnt out yet and the default webos userland didnt include all the necessary pieces to make wifi tethering work Dec 29 17:33:10 i didnt want to violate any copyrights by distributing binary drivers and fimrwares Dec 29 17:33:11 i see. Dec 29 17:33:22 no i never really got around to making wifi tethering working in the old one Dec 29 17:33:36 only bluetooth and usb worked Dec 29 17:33:52 wow, so this next version is a huge step forward. Dec 29 17:33:54 i also never implemented a fraction of the configuration options that I wanted to Dec 29 17:34:12 ya this version will work with usb,bt and wifi Dec 29 17:34:22 have many more options Dec 29 17:34:35 will show lists of connnections like mhs does Dec 29 17:35:06 that's terrific stuff Dec 29 17:36:08 so webOS itself has the necessary "bones" in a way that it didn't when you first developed 0.0.1? Dec 29 17:37:38 ya, sometime after 1.3.1 webOS started shipping with all the pieces to do wifi tethering... only prob is that only 1 carrier had a gui to use them Dec 29 17:37:44 yeah -almost- everything is being handled via calls to native webos services Dec 29 17:38:21 and we have replaces the parts that can use webos services with out own service Dec 29 17:40:17 fantastic. Dec 29 17:41:53 is there any other info you want me to add to the post? features, changes? Dec 29 17:42:28 There was a donation link in the yahoo thread Dec 29 17:43:23 we'll be sure to make sure there is a donation link, do you want me to use this one? http://bit.ly/icBCOZ Dec 29 17:44:39 And do you mind if I use those screenshots in the post, or are there other ones you'd like me to include? Dec 29 17:48:38 egaudet, anything else you want to add? Dec 29 17:49:43 Guest2137, i don't know what else I can add at this point, one we have a release out we will have a better idea of all the changes Dec 29 17:49:54 but it is a substantial improvement over the old version for sure Dec 29 17:50:13 and ya u can use the bit.ly donation url and any images for teasers Dec 29 17:50:26 as long as you say the final ui is subject to change ;) Dec 29 17:51:00 terrific. Will do on the subject to change part. Any thoughts on when it might be release ready? Dec 29 17:51:29 I think just the wifi screenshot is fine Dec 29 17:51:36 we are trying for friday, but holliday/family obligations might make that hard Dec 29 17:51:52 egaudet, what about the toggles screenshot Dec 29 17:52:09 yeah, if we can't get it out by friday afternoon, it will probably end up being early next week Dec 29 17:52:16 PuffTheMagic: which one is that? Dec 29 17:52:47 http://ompldr.org/vNnJ2OA Dec 29 17:53:00 Wow, that's great. Ok I'll not say this friday, but in the next few weeks. Dec 29 17:53:27 oh yeah, that one is good shot PuffTheMagic Dec 29 17:53:41 there most likely will be something out on new years eve or day Dec 29 17:54:03 shouldnt be "weeks" Dec 29 17:54:06 at most a week Dec 29 17:54:40 Ok. How about "within the next week?" Dec 29 17:54:46 sounds good Dec 29 17:54:53 :) Dec 29 17:55:28 that last screenshot is awesome, btw. Thanks for taking the time to talk with me. Dec 29 17:55:32 well i need to go make some frosting for my cuccidaties Dec 29 17:55:37 Guest2137, no prob Dec 29 17:55:45 thanks for the press Dec 29 17:56:04 no prob. keep up the great work, guys! later. Dec 29 17:56:24 PuffTheMagic: egaudet nice. the new freeTether looks awesome. Dec 29 17:56:39 destinal, its getting there Dec 29 17:56:41 but thanks Dec 29 17:56:46 Guest2137, later Dec 29 17:57:19 gui is all ryan so far, and does indeed look nice :D Dec 29 17:57:36 PuffTheMagic: wow, you're learning mojo? :) Dec 29 17:58:03 egaudet: PuffTheMagic: how are you guys handling disable / enable of the stock hotspot service? Dec 29 17:58:23 destinal: kill it, bind mount /bin/true on it Dec 29 17:58:47 egaudet: ah so just bindmount on your service starting so it's only disabled at runtime Dec 29 17:59:30 yup Dec 29 18:30:43 destinal, i know some mojo Dec 29 18:30:50 im no oil Dec 29 18:30:59 but i have some skillz Dec 29 18:31:00 ;) Dec 29 18:31:18 nobody is oil...except oil Dec 29 18:31:34 PuffTheMagic: yeah, nobody is oil. probably not even oil Dec 29 18:31:38 :P Dec 29 19:26:04 * RagingMind is excited for the new freeTether Dec 29 19:33:30 save/restore keeps hanging on pReader :( Dec 29 20:06:40 good afternoon everyone Dec 29 20:07:46 Jack87-Work, u going pixi? Dec 29 20:07:55 Boooo! Dec 29 20:08:08 Pre sucks! Pixi ftw! Dec 29 20:08:24 Sliders for lyfe yo!! Dec 29 20:08:34 and pre2 is thicker and heavier Dec 29 20:08:35 BOOOOO! Dec 29 20:08:43 PuffTheMagic: really?... i want to get my hands on a pixi for a bit. i like how small it is and seems sturier Dec 29 20:08:48 pre2 feels like I could hurt someone with it Dec 29 20:09:07 Jack87-Work, ya i recently got a sprint pixi and i activated it and havent looked back Dec 29 20:09:17 put a vzw com board in it Dec 29 20:09:21 im good to go Dec 29 20:09:34 if have to find it for under 50 bucks though to justify it Dec 29 20:10:07 just looking at local classifieds there has to be someone to sell it because they upgraded or something by now Dec 29 20:10:31 yeah, every now and again I see one on craigslist Dec 29 20:10:37 how much are you guys spending on second hand phons? Dec 29 20:10:52 my droid eris was $25 Dec 29 20:11:17 hell of a steal, I wasn't even thinking of getting one until I was offered it at that price Dec 29 20:12:56 thats for sure wow Dec 29 20:13:19 and I mean I wasn't even thinking of getting an android phone Dec 29 20:14:10 what do you think of android? Dec 29 20:14:23 feels awkward Dec 29 20:14:40 of course almost everything does after webos Dec 29 20:14:45 i got one for my brother while he was out of the country and played with it for 2 weeks... its ok.. but just is not webos. it was EVO Dec 29 20:15:14 I feel the same about iOS Dec 29 20:18:09 ios just feels limited to me.. like a feature phone Dec 29 20:23:14 whenever i use another device im all "back gesture!" Dec 29 20:23:18 and its all "wtf is this?" Dec 29 20:23:32 then i have to hunt around for the back button which is always in a bad spot Dec 29 20:24:24 yeah, back gesture, and swipe up when I'm done Dec 29 20:25:13 more devices should adopt the gesture area Dec 29 20:27:03 oil: its too practicale. Dec 29 20:32:43 http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-developer-chomper-builds-jvm-ports-mplayer-webos is this the one that's violating GPL? Dec 29 20:36:19 destinal: very nice Dec 29 20:38:22 destinal, JVM, god damn Dec 29 20:38:38 idk which is more of a virus Java or Flash Dec 29 20:39:16 silverlight Dec 29 20:39:22 if you are smart about it neither Dec 29 20:39:24 followed closely by flash Dec 29 20:39:35 silverlight hasnt infiltrated linux yet thank god Dec 29 20:39:48 PuffTheMagic: yes it has, moonlight / mono Dec 29 20:40:11 well its not in a usable brower plugin form yet Dec 29 20:40:18 else i would be watching netflix in linux Dec 29 20:40:29 yeah it is, I used it to watch the olympics Dec 29 20:40:37 wtf Dec 29 20:40:40 the only part they've refused to open is the drm Dec 29 20:40:46 hence netflix fails Dec 29 20:40:49 ahh Dec 29 20:40:50 lame Dec 29 20:41:08 DRM = Viruse Dec 29 20:41:16 yeah Dec 29 20:41:25 at least java on linux is mostly open now Dec 29 20:42:37 * Jack87-Work likes java as it works on multiple platforms Dec 29 20:43:06 so does python/perl/ruby but I don't have to sell my soul to the devil :P Dec 29 20:43:19 ka6sox: haha so true Dec 29 20:44:27 ya i used to be a java fan for cross platform stuff Dec 29 20:44:32 but i am not using python Dec 29 20:44:39 pygame and pygtk do all i need :D Dec 29 20:46:13 ok general question for the security conscious Dec 29 20:46:23 how should i store the passphrase in freeTether Dec 29 20:46:29 currently is plain text in the cookie Dec 29 20:46:36 but i feel it prob shouldnt be Dec 29 20:49:44 the passphrase for connecting to the device's hotspot? that doesn't sound like it needs to be super secret Dec 29 20:51:04 just keep malicious apps from getting at it, does cookie do that? Dec 29 20:57:24 what dir are .jar services stored? Dec 29 20:57:55 PuffTheMagic: precentral wrote on front page "Until recently, webOS has been left out of the Java pot, since there had been no JVM available" Dec 29 20:58:03 do they know anything about webos? Dec 29 20:58:10 no Dec 29 20:59:07 do journalists need to know about things before they think they can start writing about them? Dec 29 21:00:33 no Dec 29 21:00:35 lol Dec 29 21:03:26 Loudergood, if that were the case 90% of some newspaper writers would be out of a job. Dec 29 21:03:47 s/newspaper/newspaper's/g Dec 29 21:03:54 s/newspaper/newspaper's/ Dec 29 21:03:55 and they wonder why blogs are killing their market Dec 29 21:04:42 PuffTheMagic: will freeTether be 2.0 only or support 1.4.5 too? Dec 29 21:05:13 PuffTheMagic: can you store a hash of the passphrase, and then check the hash of the input against that? Dec 29 21:07:00 why not plain text cookie Dec 29 21:07:08 lol Dec 29 21:07:34 there is no way to stop anything malicious from getting the passphrase, no matter how you store it Dec 29 21:19:49 rwhitby - ping Dec 29 21:20:00 followed up on your query Dec 29 21:20:08 CTLAdvance: thx Dec 29 21:23:13 freetether would not be using an app-assistant now would it Dec 29 21:25:11 question is how long will you be tethering for anyway. generally just on the go... there are many reasons why one shouldnt use it as their main source of internet and if decide to its at own risk Dec 29 21:25:48 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/freetether.git;a=tree;f=app/assistants;h=daddbc976ee1b9ef8505c0e314c7e11710045f8b;hb=HEAD Dec 29 21:25:53 * oil sees no app-assistant Dec 29 21:26:49 * Jack87-Work thinks main-assistant = app assistant he was thinking of Dec 29 21:27:01 was just wondering if key could be stored in there? Dec 29 21:27:32 main-assistant != app-assistant xD Dec 29 21:29:01 * oil doesnt think jack understands how things are stored xD Dec 29 21:29:11 suppose not sorry haha Dec 29 21:29:17 you're not going to be appending user-entered data into your javascript file xD Dec 29 21:29:31 DUNDUNDUN Dec 29 21:32:27 looks like mytether stores in cookie Dec 29 21:33:12 oil: get everyone to send you their passphrase so you can put them in the main-assistant in a pop-up list :) Dec 29 21:33:29 send me? Dec 29 21:33:39 * halfhalo votes stealing them Dec 29 21:33:39 send puffy! Dec 29 21:33:40 oil: he is making fun of me :) Dec 29 21:34:34 * halfhalo attempts to figure out regex in ruby Dec 29 21:35:17 rwhitby: you have to reversibly store the passphrase to pass it to the wifi stuff I think Dec 29 21:35:55 destinal: ah, yeah. supplicant.conf Dec 29 21:37:03 rwhitby: err, I think the hotspot / softap side is different than supplicant, but I don't know Dec 29 21:37:22 I could be wrong Dec 29 21:41:53 egaudet - PING Dec 29 21:49:45 * oil wonders if he should pick up another ebay sprint pre- for cheap Dec 29 21:49:57 * oil doesnt think ebay dude is going to call sprint Dec 29 21:50:09 CTLAdvance: pong Dec 29 21:58:35 oil: check local classifieds to! Dec 29 21:58:48 maybe you can find broken screen for really cheap Dec 29 22:03:42 Hey egaudet Dec 29 22:04:23 oil your missing out on the sprint pre 2 awesomeness Dec 29 22:04:35 :( Dec 29 22:05:18 and it is awesome' Dec 29 22:06:03 lol @ engadget Dec 29 22:06:04 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/just-got-a-palm-phone-the-best-apps-accessories-and-tips/ Dec 29 22:06:15 weatherico=tweed? Dec 29 22:09:17 yeah that one took me a second Dec 29 22:09:35 also "legally collected roms"? how exactly does one do that? Dec 29 22:10:46 Dump them yourself from carts you already own? :V Dec 29 22:11:33 if there's any copy protection that's not even legal anymore in the US Dec 29 22:12:30 It's TG-16, I don't think they had any. :p Dec 29 22:14:41 that article sucks Dec 29 22:23:11 seriously, drpodder isn't on that list, or preware Dec 29 22:23:42 * Jack87-Work read comments... so sad. wish the public wasnt stuck in a box Dec 29 22:25:48 eh, there will always be fanboys Dec 29 22:25:58 * SineOt uses ShutUp, never sees comments! The internet is such a better place now. Dec 29 22:26:18 how can you live without local newspaper comments? Dec 29 22:26:29 they're the best comedy I've ever seen Dec 29 22:26:52 Loudergood: there's usually no copy protection on the old carts just to read them I think Dec 29 22:27:07 some had auth chips for running Dec 29 22:27:10 but not just read Dec 29 22:27:22 true.. Dec 29 22:27:30 the NES had a zapper chip but those would already be out of patent etc and you could theoretically build the proper hardware to get it functioning Dec 29 22:30:00 If you download games for carts you own... legal or not? Dec 29 22:31:11 Grey area. Dec 29 22:31:19 http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=13806555 Dec 29 22:32:35 guy gets cheated on and now might be facing 5 years in prison.. thats great Dec 29 22:43:10 anyone get a CR-48 in the mail? Dec 29 22:43:25 unfortunately no Dec 29 22:45:29 no sadly Dec 29 22:45:36 I signed up but I guess I'm not cool enough Dec 29 22:48:14 me either Dec 29 22:48:38 i look at some of the youtube videos and think to myself "really?" Dec 29 22:54:00 what do you mean? Dec 29 22:54:10 I think it's interesting in concept for sure Dec 29 22:54:28 * scoutcamper thinks novaports is porting webos to nook color :D Dec 29 22:54:45 SineOt: i mean "really google picked these guys to test?" Dec 29 22:54:59 oh, yeah, it's stupid Dec 29 22:55:17 I basically live on my Netbook for most of the year in school and already run a "web connected" OS with Jolicloud Dec 29 22:55:57 like wise.. haha as a matter of fact own two netbooks! Dec 29 23:11:22 * scoutcamper is :( that jvm and mplayer dont work on his pre2 Dec 29 23:11:57 haha Dec 29 23:17:05 halfhalo, i just found the new jvm version on treo8 and that works on 2.0 :D Dec 29 23:17:50 JVM? as in, Java Virtual Machine? D: Dec 29 23:17:56 SineOt, yep Dec 29 23:18:04 SineOt, look at p|c Dec 29 23:30:51 Java needs to be deprecated Dec 29 23:31:25 halfhalo, LOL, launching mplayer from commandline lets me see top 1cm of my episode of dr who Dec 29 23:31:36 It's too controlled by Oracle now, but maybe that's an illusion that it was subject to influence outside of corporate circles in the first place Dec 29 23:31:42 the rest is just green Dec 29 23:32:25 does it run MINECRAFT :Q Dec 29 23:34:55 * Jack87-Work is watching merlin Dec 29 23:36:20 SineOt, i was thinking of trying it Dec 29 23:37:09 bhuey: I'm not so sure it's going to stay in oracles control for much longer, sun was wise to open everything up when they did Dec 29 23:45:23 * Jack87-Work bought sun stock (JAVA) right before oracle officially acquiredit... dumb move stock didnt move at all for like 3 months Dec 29 23:45:42 now its gone of course Dec 29 23:59:48 halfhalo, got MPlayer working on 2.0 by launching from commandline, but audio is super laggy on a 40min episoide of drwho Dec 30 00:25:28 Loudergood: I use to work on the JVM in the BSDs Dec 30 00:26:01 They'll start needing folks like me to do an open source implementation or take the current one and move it forward Dec 30 00:26:42 I expect nothing less than a fork Dec 30 00:27:20 though it'll probably take more time than the rest of the projects have Dec 30 00:59:47 Hi i notice that on precentral a lot of people are trying to contact "chomper" the developer working on porting mplayer, not sure if anyone has noticed but he gives his email in his "appinfo.json" file Dec 30 01:00:40 I don;t have a pre central account and don't want to make one just to post this information Dec 30 01:45:57 \who sconix Dec 30 01:52:44 * Jack87-Work tried going home but realized he wasnt going past the first street anytime soon as traffic stuck cars were sliding left and right so did a U-turn and is back in the office until traffic and snow die down and the damn plows hit the road. Dec 30 01:53:35 found a calzone in vending machine for dinner. so excited Dec 30 02:43:57 rwhitby: when you get back, this is a better channel than earlier, sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 30 02:59:58 2010