**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 01 02:59:58 2011 Jan 01 03:08:52 stargeak, hi you seem to have a palm pixie Jan 01 03:08:58 *does the sound works well? Jan 01 03:09:26 *isn't it a bit slow?(msm7k SOC, uses pulseaudio etc...) Jan 01 03:10:57 a bit "slow?" Jan 01 03:11:09 yes it's an armv6-novfp or am I wrong Jan 01 03:11:20 combined with heavy stuff like pulseaudio Jan 01 03:11:45 oh-I thought you meant the sound was slow, my mistake Jan 01 03:11:51 it's not very bad at all Jan 01 03:12:04 GNUtoo|laptop, well...it works fine...I have 2 and love them. Jan 01 03:12:08 slow sound would be very bad..... Jan 01 03:12:12 ok Jan 01 03:12:25 pulseaudio is on *all* devices Jan 01 03:12:32 the pixie has the same modem than the palm-pre? Jan 01 03:12:32 so its "heavy" I guess. Jan 01 03:12:36 no Jan 01 03:12:43 different modem Jan 01 03:12:44 yes but pre is an omap and so it's armv7 Jan 01 03:12:45 ok Jan 01 03:12:48 AT commands Jan 01 03:12:49 its part of the MSM Jan 01 03:12:50 trough smd Jan 01 03:12:50 ? Jan 01 03:12:54 ah ok Jan 01 03:13:21 the pre is talked to thru SDIO Jan 01 03:13:40 yeah it's like, a 600mhz application core and a 400mhz modem core Jan 01 03:13:43 and a 320mhz DSP Jan 01 03:14:10 smd = shared memory device, the RPC that is under the fake serial Jan 01 03:14:26 I've an htcdream but I wondered how similar was pixie Jan 01 03:15:16 it's just Pixi btw :p Jan 01 03:15:51 ok Jan 01 03:19:11 * ka6sox wonders if anybody came up with a bb setup for the pre... Jan 01 03:19:25 Bb gun? Jan 01 03:19:36 bitbake Jan 01 03:19:47 (or bitbreak if you prefer) Jan 01 03:19:56 * halfhalo dunnos what that is Jan 01 03:20:17 halfhalo, webos is built using openembedded Jan 01 03:20:26 bitbake is the build tool Jan 01 03:20:36 Ah Jan 01 03:21:19 ka6sox, yes Jan 01 03:21:24 ka6sox, ask morphis Jan 01 03:21:27 if I didn't have so many other things on my plate I wouldnt' mind doing that but its like March before I could owrk on it Jan 01 03:21:29 oh good. Jan 01 03:21:36 Lol Jan 01 03:21:38 palm-pre is even supported by SHR Jan 01 03:21:44 excellent Jan 01 03:21:56 ka6sox, what's your goal? Jan 01 03:22:10 build for beeing compatible with webos? Jan 01 03:22:15 or build something else Jan 01 03:22:30 because openembedded doesn't have a webos-compat stuff as far as I know Jan 01 03:22:43 but it has support for the palm pre machine Jan 01 03:22:58 well...there are a number of pre's that are coming out of service and being ebay'd Jan 01 03:23:04 wow Jan 01 03:23:08 how much they costs? Jan 01 03:23:21 I'd kind of like to have one that runs....angstrom for example. Jan 01 03:23:31 that's easy Jan 01 03:23:37 the webos compat stuff wasn't Jan 01 03:23:42 but you would prefer SHR Jan 01 03:23:50 because if you use SHR you would get telephony Jan 01 03:23:56 but not SMS Jan 01 03:24:13 right, because you don't have the palm bits. Jan 01 03:24:20 there is Jan 01 03:24:27 only that SMS has not been implemented Jan 01 03:24:36 by there is I mean that it's replaced Jan 01 03:24:46 by a free software implementation Jan 01 03:24:55 and it uses the same network protocol than palm Jan 01 03:25:05 not the non-working AT interpreter Jan 01 03:25:18 okay Jan 01 03:26:03 GNUtoo|laptop, I only care about it working with wifi so telephony isn't currently important. Jan 01 03:26:09 (to me) Jan 01 03:26:15 wifi has been implemented too Jan 01 03:26:27 then thats good enough Jan 01 03:26:27 using a modified libertas_sdio driver Jan 01 03:26:48 is that FOSS or something else? Jan 01 03:27:15 morphis, PuffTheMagic and me(only at the beginning tough, I only did the first activator module) made it work Jan 01 03:27:20 yes Jan 01 03:27:56 PuffTheMagic, knows more as he was active during the last and more important part Jan 01 03:28:37 k Jan 01 03:28:45 bbl...outback time Jan 01 03:28:51 ok Jan 01 03:35:00 whats up+ Jan 01 03:35:01 ? Jan 01 03:35:41 GNUtoo|laptop: we need to work on libertas_tf Jan 01 03:35:46 ah ok Jan 01 03:35:49 with out AP and mesh we gain nothing Jan 01 03:36:00 well Jan 01 03:36:01 sta is already great Jan 01 03:36:05 we gain a little being able to compile Jan 01 03:36:16 buglabs+olpc got libertas_tf_sdio working in AP mode Jan 01 03:36:17 allows different kernels Jan 01 03:36:30 ya but how about on sirloin Jan 01 03:36:35 that is what is important ;) Jan 01 03:36:58 on sirloin, you would have to backport Jan 01 03:37:08 but as I pointed out, it's possible Jan 01 03:37:17 if no firmware get in our way Jan 01 03:37:47 what firmware was used to get it working? Jan 01 03:38:09 does the non-palm firmwares work? Jan 01 04:32:05 PuffTheMagic: Is it me, or did SN Celebration used to be a lot better than this one? Jan 01 04:32:16 may just be my memory of it Jan 01 05:03:52 anyone on? Jan 01 05:31:19 rwhitby-pre: in case you're around.. I needed to compile qt (the webOS port from about a year ago) and got it working in WIDK.. want it in there? (it's big, though I have a lot of compile options disabled so it won't take an enormous amount of time) Jan 01 06:27:32 tmandry: sure Jan 01 07:29:20 * halfhalo thinks patches portal rewrite in node.js should be taken into consideration Jan 01 07:29:52 would be quick. Jan 01 07:30:52 Only reason I didn't bring it up earlier was I didn't feel node was ready for major front end use, but 0.3.0 stable branch looks to be Jan 01 07:31:28 And unlike ruby, more than just me can fix it, and unlike php, it's not crap to program with Jan 01 07:33:14 halfhalo: 0.3.x is unstable Jan 01 07:33:41 It's stabler than 0.2.5 Jan 01 07:33:52 0.2.6 is out. Jan 01 07:34:01 Orly... Jan 01 07:34:13 halfhalo: perhaps, but it is still considered the unstable branch, whether it is actually stable or not. Jan 01 07:34:19 * halfhalo hasn't updated from 0.2.5 on most stuff Jan 01 07:34:19 Though, it will soon turn into 0.4.0 Jan 01 07:34:30 halfhalo: 0.2.6 came out like 2 days ago Jan 01 07:35:13 What version is expected in webos 2.x? Jan 01 07:35:38 I would assume it is some version of a stable branch Jan 01 07:35:41 The pre2 initial version was 0.1.102 or something Jan 01 07:35:50 so, 0.x.y where x is an even number Jan 01 07:36:08 halfhalo: really? that old? Jan 01 07:36:37 Yeah, it's been neglected for a while, but creationix is on that Jan 01 07:36:46 ok Jan 01 07:36:46 Ya, they used a super-old libpurple to build the messenger on Jan 01 07:37:05 yeah, but that probably doesn't matter as much Jan 01 07:37:13 node changed so much since 0.1.x Jan 01 07:37:50 I still have an install of 0.1.103 somewhere... Jan 01 07:37:54 lol Jan 01 07:38:08 That's the only lib I was familiar enough with when I looked at the pkgs built into my pre Jan 01 07:38:10 ubuntu has 0.2.0 installed and everyone in #node.js complains how old a build that is, lol Jan 01 07:38:48 I aim for at least 0.2.4 for my stuff to be compatible Jan 01 07:39:21 that's a good one Jan 01 07:39:37 Eh, I have hit some annoying bugs Jan 01 07:39:59 why is creationix not here? lol Jan 01 07:40:02 But luckily the lack of sys going to 3 doesn't really affect me since I rarely use it Jan 01 07:40:13 He's a commie? Jan 01 07:40:37 evening everyone Jan 01 07:40:42 Nola Jan 01 07:40:57 happy new year or almost happy new year for west coasters Jan 01 07:40:57 Hola (damn iPad autocorrect) Jan 01 07:40:57 Speak of the dev Jan 01 07:41:29 * tmandry is compiling qt for webOS Jan 01 07:41:52 creationix: any hints on what version of node will be on webos? Jan 01 07:42:17 probably 0.2.3 + cherry picked patches up to 0.2.5 Jan 01 07:42:26 Does creationix work for hp/palm? Jan 01 07:42:35 he does now. Jan 01 07:42:38 fahhem_pre: indeed Jan 01 07:42:46 despite having one of the most well-documented APIs I've ever used, when you get into cross-compiling Qt and its build system in general, documentation sucks Jan 01 07:43:16 * halfhalo goes to look at node git modu Jan 01 07:43:19 It's not for general consumption, but I backported the latest node for webos 2.0 to 1.4.5 for node camp Jan 01 07:43:20 Les Jan 01 07:43:21 creationix: I think I saw you, fairly recently, on node.js when you just joined, am I right? Jan 01 07:43:23 http://creationix.com/nodeFor145.tar.gz Jan 01 07:44:29 don't publish the url on precentral or anything crazy like that since it's unsupported, but it's based on the same code tree as what we're working on for the phone Jan 01 07:44:46 * gkatsev emeila dieter Jan 01 07:45:05 s/emeila/emails/ Jan 01 07:45:58 gkatsev: should be the same me, I register my nick on freenode Jan 01 07:46:40 creationix: ok, cool. Just making sure I'm not halucinating or something right now. Jan 01 07:47:34 gkatsev: why were you asking about the node version? Jan 01 07:48:40 creationix: halfhalo mentioned that initial 2.0 had 0.1.103 and then fahhem_pre asked what version would possibly be on the device Jan 01 07:49:14 I think 0.1.103 is what's in the early access, but I assure you, it will be much newer than that when released Jan 01 07:49:53 I was curious since I'll be using node.js within a month Jan 01 07:50:08 awesome, best of luck Jan 01 07:50:20 I'm starting to get excited about the new stuff in the 0.3.x branch Jan 01 07:50:24 it's a lot faster Jan 01 07:50:55 I'd actually start sooner, but still waiting on getting into the early access program Jan 01 07:52:02 I started rewriting my website in node but then realized that I don't want to pay for a VPS, lol Jan 01 07:52:02 you can play with node today by dropping my archive into /media/internal Jan 01 07:52:14 but it won't have any of the supporting apis or frameworks Jan 01 07:52:18 just node Jan 01 07:52:40 you could run your website from your phone via node, then :) Jan 01 07:52:45 yep Jan 01 07:53:00 after opening the firewall via some iptables magic Jan 01 07:53:00 though, then tmzt in #node.js pointed me to 2host.com who has a vps for $3/m which is crazy Jan 01 07:53:43 though, a phone isn't the speediest hardware for a server Jan 01 07:53:47 $3/minute? that *is* crazy Jan 01 07:53:58 lol, per month Jan 01 07:54:04 Yeah, no apis, no docs, etc... Jan 01 07:54:24 ka6sox: actually, its $3 per mile of fiber/cable the packets have to travel. Jan 01 07:54:41 Insane, there has to be a catch... Jan 01 07:55:23 you don't have to pay every third tuesday. Jan 01 07:56:09 that does sound crazy.. I'm sure the allocated processor time and RAM is low, probably not reliable, etc. Jan 01 07:56:46 I mean, they must seriously farm out as many VMs on a box as they can :p Jan 01 07:56:50 128MB ram is the only problem I see Jan 01 07:57:35 $5 for 256 or something Jan 01 07:58:06 some day Joyent will have node hostin Jan 01 07:58:26 you might be able to get into the beta program is you ask isaacs on #node.js Jan 01 07:58:32 heroku is adding node hosting. there is also no.de but they are in beta Jan 01 07:59:02 right no.de is Joyent Jan 01 07:59:09 ah, it is? Jan 01 07:59:13 heroku has it, but I think they focus on the ruby stack Jan 01 07:59:17 yes, it is. Jan 01 07:59:46 yeah, heroku is ruby, though, it's cool that they are adding node especially since a lot of people like the way they handle the ruby hosting Jan 01 08:00:07 the thing about heroku is their stack is geared towards short-lived connections Jan 01 08:00:19 it doesn't fit well with node's strengths Jan 01 08:00:26 and most the plugins don't work with node Jan 01 08:00:35 but they were the first to offer node specific hosting Jan 01 08:00:54 more node hosting ftw Jan 01 08:01:07 I just get a vps or two Jan 01 08:01:24 linode has always been good to me Jan 01 08:01:30 yeah, i'm probably going to get one soon Jan 01 08:01:45 but I already had a nearlyfreespeech.net account which my previous website's version was one Jan 01 08:01:55 Yeah, linode is what my startup's on Jan 01 08:01:56 so, I decided to just put the new version on it for now Jan 01 08:02:33 slicehost was good too, but they were a little more expensive than linode Jan 01 08:02:39 it's http://gkatsev.com Jan 01 08:02:45 back when I did Ruby I needed every megabyte of ram I could get Jan 01 08:03:10 creationix: the base vps is about the same and for $20. Though, i've heard that linode is much more performant than slicehost Jan 01 08:03:24 creationix: I'll imagine, lol. Jan 01 08:03:36 Twice as expensive Jan 01 08:03:36 Happy new years pacific coast! Jan 01 08:03:46 fahhem_pre: all, you beat me to it Jan 01 08:03:56 lol Jan 01 08:04:07 :) Jan 01 08:04:52 of course I stayed up most last night writing a streaming json parser for fun Jan 01 08:04:57 so I'm a bit tired now Jan 01 08:05:19 Gkatsev: doesn't work Jan 01 08:05:26 fahhem_pre: what doesn't? Jan 01 08:05:48 Your website Jan 01 08:06:25 really? Jan 01 08:06:30 http://gkatsev.com/ Jan 01 08:06:34 that? Jan 01 08:07:29 Heh, musta been my internet conn Jan 01 08:08:18 I wrote this version in 3 hours from sunday 12am-3am and monday 12am-3am Jan 01 08:08:31 err, I guess 6 hours Jan 01 08:08:58 let me know what you think and if you find a problem Jan 01 08:09:00 well, gnight everyone, I'm done for Jan 01 08:09:07 creationix: night Jan 01 08:09:18 you can always find me on #node.js, usually that's the only room I hang out in Jan 01 10:30:21 happy new year guys Jan 01 10:32:42 you to, ice8lue Jan 01 10:32:47 i mean, ice8lue_ Jan 01 10:36:04 than you Jan 01 10:36:38 *thank^ Jan 01 12:49:58 thanks, you too ice8lue_ Jan 01 12:50:07 thanks hape Jan 01 15:07:44 Why does it take so long to compile the WIDK? Jan 01 15:09:00 probably qemu Jan 01 15:09:32 What does it compile on "make stage"? Jan 01 15:10:06 lots of stuff...its in the makefile what it does...been like a year since I looked. Jan 01 15:12:33 hi Jan 01 15:19:19 why does it compile Navit while executing "make stage" to build the WIDK?! Jan 01 15:29:33 pc-world1: The make stage of the widk compiles all packages (apps) that are included. No check if you need them or not Jan 01 15:30:12 if you only what to compile on app you need to switch in the main folder of that packge and execute make stage there Jan 01 15:45:35 destinal: yo Jan 01 15:48:14 destinal: celebration has gone down the crapper Jan 01 15:48:21 2005 was amazing Jan 01 15:48:28 and since then downhill Jan 01 15:48:33 last year was terrible Jan 01 15:48:41 but 30th anniversary made up for it being so bad Jan 01 15:48:52 this years was an improvement over last year but nothing special Jan 01 16:30:32 thx for meta-doctor Jan 01 16:38:50 is there any way to get visualboy advance running on the pixi? Jan 01 16:46:16 ok, i found the wiki page Jan 01 17:07:08 hmkay, no pixi builds :( Jan 01 17:08:18 why not? Jan 01 17:08:29 screen size problem? Jan 01 17:09:07 dont know Jan 01 17:10:00 the pixi is too slow for gba games but gb/gbc should be no problem Jan 01 17:10:51 right Jan 01 17:10:56 actually it would run perfectly Jan 01 17:11:11 hm :( Jan 01 17:13:49 what about SDL gnu boy? Jan 01 17:19:22 with the debian "hack"? :D Jan 01 17:22:02 is in the webosinternals repository, don't know if it works Jan 01 17:24:34 not for the pixi Jan 01 18:45:21 hm, the pixi is mentioned at wdtzs git repo Jan 01 18:45:24 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=games/visualboyadvance.git;a=commit;h=7c43b53fb44129a93d7a312efe68ea538f6ee73e Jan 01 19:33:36 Happy New Year Guys, can't wait for new cool stuff from you guys Jan 01 19:56:39 lumines: yeppers been working on it a bit now that i got a pixi to dev against Jan 01 19:57:19 lumines: i'd have pushed a beta build but my tests so far have it unexpectedly slow even on gb/gbc games Jan 01 19:57:37 but yeah the main reason was lack of testing, different libraries, and screen resolution Jan 01 19:57:52 also the pixi's processor doesn't support some of the same asm instructions i used for the pre version Jan 01 19:58:11 anyway good catch and when i get back to my apartment i hope to make that happen in the semi-near future :) Jan 01 19:58:55 ps happy new years all ;) :D Jan 01 20:01:00 screen resolution is a small thing, but bunch of the UI needs to be rethought, and skins will have to be adjusted, etc Jan 01 20:01:11 grumble 80 pixels grumble Jan 01 20:01:40 just scale the whole screen :) Jan 01 20:01:56 you render with OpenGL anyway, or? Jan 01 20:02:10 MetaView: right, but that's turrible :( Jan 01 20:02:24 i mean it'd be easy, but then everything'd be slightly squished Jan 01 20:03:05 unless you just lose a few the other way Jan 01 20:03:17 it will be proportional Jan 01 20:03:36 make black bars on top and bottom Jan 01 20:03:40 bbl Jan 01 20:03:44 oh i see. well yeah that'd work i suppose. Jan 01 20:04:06 except that means 266.666 pixels wide... Jan 01 20:04:25 well...round it then ;) Jan 01 20:04:37 beh but yeah, i'll see how much work making a special pixi version is Jan 01 20:05:42 the only actual issue i'm grumpy about is there's an options page that just has too many options to fit reasonably on a pixi Jan 01 20:06:34 and, gulp, some of the help text is manually broken :[. reflowing that would be annoying, but not a big deal--mostly a code maintenance PITA much moreso than it already is Jan 01 20:06:52 anyway it's still slower (much) than it shuold be and that'll need fixing :) Jan 01 20:07:14 Hey a german online shop gots the palm pre now for 150 euros Jan 01 20:07:19 wow, sounds great :0 Jan 01 20:07:24 mpingu: psssst Jan 01 20:07:25 pearl Jan 01 20:07:27 why ? Jan 01 20:07:33 which softis on Jan 01 20:07:51 lumines: ping me if you feel like it and aren't seen progress ;) Jan 01 20:08:07 ok :D Jan 01 20:08:21 anyway i gotta run, no time for sitting down for some good coding fun unfortunately :) Jan 01 20:08:29 take care all, and again happy new years :) Jan 01 20:08:31 * dtzWill waves Jan 01 20:15:46 bye now! Jan 01 20:31:02 PuffTheMagic: yeah I thought it was decent this year but not as good as I remembered it Jan 01 20:34:07 * halfhalo is soar Jan 01 21:04:57 * halfhalo is looking at tying openid into his login stuff Jan 01 21:07:19 janrain? Jan 01 22:40:25 ps to those asking about pixi scaling etc--the actual emulated image of course will be scaled appropriately, keeping ratio, etc, that all works and will be done that way Jan 01 22:40:39 i was referring to the rom selector, options menus, help screens and the misc other stuff Jan 01 22:40:53 that's kinda weird to not be fullscreen :) Jan 01 22:41:50 since there's no native aspect ratio other than w/e i originally designed it for, as opposed to an emulated image Jan 01 22:41:50 Jan 01 22:42:11 Lulz Jan 01 22:43:46 well..cropping "could" work in that case.. Jan 01 22:44:44 i'm stubbornly insisting on doing it the hard way when i can't be bothered to make the UI look better than some ancient atari-style graphics xD :D Jan 01 22:45:01 when i get a chance i really need to draft an artist or someting Jan 01 22:45:15 ;p Jan 01 22:45:24 ...or someone who has any taste whatsoever :D Jan 01 22:45:33 anyone in here had experience working with Qt on webOS? Jan 01 22:46:32 I've actually been intending to work with both, but so far I haven't done much of anything in either Jan 01 22:46:37 dtzWill: what are you doing Jan 01 22:47:09 Jack87-Home: nothing atm, probably abuot to take a nap :) Jan 01 22:47:18 I like that plan Jan 01 22:47:26 hehe good plan Jan 01 22:47:42 i ment about the artistic junk... i can maybe help prolly not though Jan 01 22:48:51 im not pro by any means but if i can i will mess with making something pretty but im not sure what you need to be pretty Jan 01 22:48:59 dtzWill: happy new year by the way Jan 01 22:49:05 Jack87-Home: ty, you too! :D Jan 01 22:49:23 I'd love to help dtzWill~ Jan 01 22:50:19 alright also i think Zen00 (who doesn't appear to be here) also offered to help, so we'll see what needs to be done Jan 01 22:50:30 tyvm for the offers, /me writes down names :D Jan 01 22:50:45 :) Jan 01 22:50:49 would reaallyy appreciate it, ty, i'll try to not be worthless and get on it in the near future :) Jan 01 22:50:54 * halfhalo will not offer to help since he has no artistic ability. Period. Jan 01 22:51:08 yeah, there are things i'm good at and ui design raelly just isn't it :( Jan 01 22:51:13 but i try ;) Jan 01 22:51:28 * Jack87-Home has a wacom tablet now and needs excuse to use it Jan 01 22:51:43 Boooo... My update for Boxee Remote hasn't gone through yet Jan 01 22:51:44 sa-weet Jan 01 22:51:48 And it's a beta feed :< Jan 01 22:52:04 alright well ty guys sorry to run, but that nap is looking awfully tempting :) Jan 01 22:52:12 take care all Jan 01 22:52:18 dtzWill: sleep good Jan 02 00:10:13 hey everyone! I had an old palm pre plus that I used to tether to my laptop for wireless internet. I had the old phone die and had to swap it for a new one. When I plug the new one in it doesn't work as a modem Jan 02 00:10:29 I have freetether on the phone, but windows doesn't seem to see the modem Jan 02 00:11:12 you already killed a pre+? wow Jan 02 00:11:43 lol Jan 02 00:11:50 had it for nearly a year Jan 02 00:11:53 you need to enable usbnet nn7 Jan 02 00:12:11 I accidentally yanked on a cord plugged into the headphone jack so the phone always thought something was plugged in Jan 02 00:12:30 luckily verizon just thought the speaker and mic were broken so they gave me a new phone Jan 02 00:12:33 nn7: enable usbnet Jan 02 00:12:50 nn7: its kind of a known issue. mine did that before Jan 02 00:13:02 on windows or the phone? Jan 02 00:13:06 I was really happy though, the old palm pre plus had a horrible keyboard, missing letters, duplicate letters, etc. Typing everything took forever Jan 02 00:13:57 usbnet needs to be enable on the phone Jan 02 00:14:00 the command is... Jan 02 00:14:03 usbnet enable Jan 02 00:14:13 I googled it, thanks Jan 02 00:15:18 rebooting... Jan 02 00:21:57 nn7: work out ok? Jan 02 00:22:02 Jack87-Home: thanks! Looks like it worked Jan 02 00:22:12 nn7: sweet enjoy Jan 02 00:22:17 wireless is disabled and I'm still online Jan 02 00:25:35 happy new year to you, sir Jan 02 00:28:10 am I still connected? Jan 02 00:28:18 yup Jan 02 00:28:22 yay Jan 02 00:28:24 thanks Jan 02 00:28:52 did you disable your original internet connection? Jan 02 00:29:14 yes, I was using wireless tethering before Jan 02 00:30:01 and now I must go Jan 02 00:30:05 good night everyone! Jan 02 02:09:56 man, there should be warnings about how much space WIDK takes... i ran into "not enough space left..." errors Jan 02 02:10:27 3GB for just the packages Jan 02 02:13:19 and if i try to delete some stuff and re-run make stage, it just download them again, even when they're unnecessary... Jan 02 02:13:43 fahhem: just move them to the disabled package dir Jan 02 02:14:39 the problem is that i need make stage to complete at least the first time Jan 02 02:14:53 so i could one-by-one move them to nonworking Jan 02 02:17:16 hello Jan 02 02:17:23 hello Jan 02 02:17:38 is WebOS doctor supposed to be working on Palm Pre2 from France? Jan 02 02:17:48 I does not find my device (on linux) Jan 02 02:18:08 blino: that's because novacom doesn't recognize the USB product id Jan 02 02:18:38 new versions of novacom drivers are IN the doctor but only for windows and OSX Jan 02 02:18:59 destinal: is WebOS doctor relying on palm-novacom and palm-sdk tools? it seems it has builtin drivers Jan 02 02:19:07 ah, ok Jan 02 02:19:10 it relies on novacomd Jan 02 02:19:35 so you either need to be running OSX or Windows which it will automatically install the drivers for Jan 02 02:19:38 I applied to the early access program to get the newer drivers, guess I'll just have to wait a bit Jan 02 02:19:40 OR have an updated SDK Jan 02 02:20:15 blino: I came up with the ugly hack of hexediting novacomd to put in the proper ID's Jan 02 02:20:31 I could do that has well :) Jan 02 02:22:11 let me see if I have the offset handy Jan 02 02:23:32 "old" id is 0x8002, right? Jan 02 02:26:18 there are lots of ID's you can replace but it's important to replace both the ID for standard novacom in webos and the bootie one (they are one ID difference) +1 or -1 , I forget Jan 02 02:26:50 and apparently the log bot must have been broken since it wasn't in the log. obviously I rely on it too much :) Jan 02 02:27:31 let me hexdump / diff the one on my linux laptop I patched Jan 02 02:29:42 http://pastebin.com/09mgSRMA Jan 02 02:30:59 fair warning, this modified version works on Pre2 but may not work on other devices, I thought the ID's I used were for pre+ but it doesn't seem to work on my original pre after pathcing either. not too terrible as you can always kill one version to run this one Jan 02 02:33:15 blino: this is 0830:8001 -> 0830:8041 and 0830:8002 -> 0830:8042 Jan 02 02:34:23 probably these ID's are for original castle which is why my original pre no longer works in this modified binary Jan 02 02:34:42 destinal: thanks, I patched it fine :) Jan 02 02:35:29 I have some usb errors: usbll(00000000) error reading packet, retry: rc(-1), errno 9 Jan 02 02:35:47 I think those occur sometimes in the background and one just never sees them Jan 02 02:36:11 usb_handle 0x00000000 Jan 02 02:36:17 is that one supposed to be NULL? Jan 02 02:37:06 blino: that's odd, never seen that. you stopped the normal novacomd and ran the patched one? does it see your device? Jan 02 02:37:55 I totally doctored a pre2 with it so it should be fine but more results from others testing it would be good Jan 02 02:38:13 yes, no other novacomd process was running, and ran the patched one, it detected my 0x8042 (was not detected by the vanilla one) Jan 02 02:43:18 blino: depending on how long it takes for Palm to release a SDK supporting pre2 we could probably refine the patch by finding a USB VID /PID not used except internally at Palm so that nobody would have to run two versions or lose access to a specific type of device to gain pre2 Jan 02 02:44:18 hopefully a 2.0.x public SDK supporting pre2 will be out soon though Jan 02 02:44:25 yep, they should release an updated novacomd 1.0.64 soon Jan 02 02:44:53 thanks for your help destinal Jan 02 02:45:07