**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 02 02:59:58 2011 Jan 02 03:01:04 destinal: thanks a lot, I have preware installed now Jan 02 03:26:40 tmandry: did you get around to committing my patches yet? Jan 02 03:32:41 fahhem: working on it now. you've confirmed that they build? Jan 02 03:34:48 they build the packages they're made for Jan 02 03:35:13 i haven't finished running make stage though Jan 02 03:35:22 that should be good enough Jan 02 03:38:51 i got another one coming to fix pidgin Jan 02 03:41:07 yeah, now it's up to 4, though i had to disable elementary because they added epoll usage which qemu doesn't handle Jan 02 03:43:27 I just pushed your first 3 Jan 02 03:43:40 more are no problem Jan 02 03:44:10 sorry for the delay, I was mucking with trying to compile qt in WIDK.. was a mess. got it working though Jan 02 03:44:25 it's cool Jan 02 03:44:34 do you know about the git-apply command? Jan 02 03:44:59 ah.. now I do Jan 02 03:45:20 it's too late, but my fourth patch is uploaded and ready to be apply'd Jan 02 03:47:55 done Jan 02 03:49:16 dang, thought my name would be under author if you ran git-apply Jan 02 03:49:32 hm I did Jan 02 03:49:39 didn't work though Jan 02 03:49:56 but thanks for all the patches so far. you should talk to rwhitby about getting access Jan 02 03:50:05 i will, thanks Jan 02 04:06:35 So how're things going with the franken pre 2- making the pre 2 work on sprint or verizon I mean. Any progress? Jan 02 04:13:28 seb its just a comm board swap plus tokens. Jan 02 04:14:28 Jack76-Nook: yes but are the problems worked out yet? Profile issues, etc. Jan 02 04:14:57 you can also grab the file that has sprint apps on it and remake the doctor for the pre2 w/ meta doctor Jan 02 04:15:16 Or in my case Verizon Jan 02 04:15:31 im not sure about the profiles i think you can w/ pre2 Jan 02 04:15:32 I know my way around meta-doctor well enough Jan 02 04:16:10 But the whole GSM-to-CDMA thing kinda gave way to some profile issues i mean- as in, making existing profiles work Jan 02 04:16:23 Because of the way first-use works I'm guessing Jan 02 04:17:22 if you activate your phone and login w/ existing profile on pre2 it should work. i think. Jan 02 04:17:39 ask rod to confirm Jan 02 04:17:45 I should Jan 02 04:18:21 Guess I'll wait for rwhitby to answer. Jan 02 04:37:24 folks Jan 02 04:37:38 blino: nice Jan 02 04:37:39 * bhuey wishes everybody a happy new webos 2.0 year Jan 02 04:38:05 bitches at HPalm better get it out sooner than later Jan 02 04:38:18 blino: also you don't have to metadoctor to bypass activation, you can use Palm's devicetool Jan 02 04:38:24 should have mentioned that I guess :) Jan 02 04:38:30 it still needs novacomd though Jan 02 04:45:22 hi Jan 02 05:27:14 sweet, figured out how to delete the doctors and downloaded files without getting them re-downloaded Jan 02 05:27:27 for file in $(ls downloads/ doctors/); do rm $file; touch $file; done Jan 02 05:27:42 make doesn't check if the file is valid, just that it exists Jan 02 05:39:01 nvm, that just makes things fail later... Jan 02 05:50:20 lol Jan 02 05:52:56 i'm going around my ~/projects folder looking for large files to delete... finding random files from years ago littered around Jan 02 06:14:45 why would you delete projects :( Jan 02 06:15:01 not projects, just data in them Jan 02 06:15:14 like big tarballs, output/logs, etc Jan 02 06:15:37 basically what i'm gonna do to the widk the moment it's done Jan 02 06:16:08 i'm still on armv6 too, i'm running out of memory without being able to compile for my own device Jan 02 06:16:16 s/memory/space/ Jan 02 06:16:16 fahhem meant: i'm still on armv6 too, i'm running out of space without being able to compile for my own device Jan 02 06:17:30 You know, it might be worth pointing out that for a lot of users for webOS recovery, it's easier to memboot the full kernel to fix whatever you did (works great when a Pre/Pixi won't boot because the OC kernel won't boot~) Jan 02 06:18:28 SineOt: what are you working on that almost-bricked your phone? Jan 02 06:18:54 Nothing, but I tried out the SR71 OC kernel and it sat at the flashing Palm logo Jan 02 06:20:47 yeah the memboot is magic Jan 02 06:20:49 magic on wheels Jan 02 06:20:57 I thought I was doomed and then BAM memboot power Jan 02 06:22:30 yeah it's awesome Jan 02 06:26:46 torchie: even without bootie you could still boot the omap over usb. Jan 02 06:27:09 therefore the "can't brick one without hardware damage" saying Jan 02 06:27:20 shoot I thought the hardware was damaged Jan 02 06:27:40 Is there anything like that for the Pixi since it's not OMAP and instead an MSM? Jan 02 06:28:04 when the device suddenly goes into a continuous loop of palm non-flashing logo for hours on end I have a terrible habit of assuming "hardware damage" D: Jan 02 06:29:31 SineOt: very good question Jan 02 06:29:37 no idea Jan 02 06:29:39 WIDK wants to download gtk+ source (150MB) at 40kbps... Jan 02 06:29:58 fahhem: when WIDK is done it's consumed like 2.5 gigs of my hard drive Jan 02 06:29:59 it's insane Jan 02 06:30:05 only 2.5GB? Jan 02 06:30:21 i'm at 3.6GB for packages and i'm still only compiling armv6 Jan 02 06:30:36 hmm maybe it was 3.5 Jan 02 06:30:49 plus toolchain, downloads, etc i'm at over 4GB, aka 20% of my hard drive Jan 02 06:31:10 yes, i know hard drives are cheap, but IDE drives are impossible to find these days Jan 02 06:31:34 oh nvm, i'm actually at 6.8GB, or 30% of my drive Jan 02 06:31:40 At that point, you just move to external storage. Jan 02 06:32:09 i'm in a different city right now, but that's what i plan on doing when i get back Jan 02 06:32:12 My old Mini had a 40GB 2.5" IDE drive... And I just went with a 500GB firewire/USB2 external. Jan 02 06:33:09 * Jack87-Nook netbook has 500 gb sata Jan 02 06:38:24 fahhem: did you try just moving the packages to nonworking? Jan 02 06:38:39 the ones you don't need I mean Jan 02 06:41:39 i don't know which ones i need Jan 02 06:42:54 yo what is up with this TV show Jan 02 06:42:56 ou Jan 02 06:42:56 Jan 02 06:43:07 you can't just have a 6 minute long cold open dammit Jan 02 06:51:19 destinal: if i knew which apps were necessary to compile VBA, i'd only compile those Jan 02 06:51:52 fahhem: just go to the VBA directory and run make stage Jan 02 06:52:05 and it'll build exactly the ones you need Jan 02 06:52:09 oh, right, vba isn't part of widk Jan 02 06:52:16 you'd think me of all people would know that O:) Jan 02 06:52:50 uh you need sdl, sdl_ttf, the tisgfgx libs... gles headers... Jan 02 06:52:53 why you of all people? Jan 02 06:53:11 fahhem: b/c it's my app, the webos port anyway :) Jan 02 06:53:30 oh, well it's an honor to meet you Jan 02 06:53:47 fahhem: which also makes me wanna ask/wonder what you're up to? :D Jan 02 06:53:53 fahhem: hehe hardly, but ty Jan 02 06:54:45 oh, i wanted to see if i could expose some control over the vba's speed Jan 02 06:55:18 it runs at 103% no matter what i try Jan 02 06:55:42 fahhem: o_O well it inserts pauses and the like to attempt to bring that to 100%, when in non-turbo mode Jan 02 06:55:50 and there's a room i can't get past with these controls at 103% Jan 02 06:56:05 for me it's steady at 103% Jan 02 06:56:15 hmm, okay. so instead of just 'normal' and 'go fast' you're thinking a 'half speed' etc would be useful? Jan 02 06:56:29 <3 that you're trying this yourself instead of submitting a feature request :D Jan 02 06:56:56 oh, armv7, yay! Jan 02 06:57:24 well, getting widk is a good benefit Jan 02 06:57:42 yeah, a half-speed to make up for using wasd controls Jan 02 06:58:12 fahhem: check the config.sh in the vba source--it has notes about the toolchain i use (wrong versions have bugs or are slow), and also invokes the autotools to get things working with the same flags and whatnot Jan 02 06:58:25 certainly not strictly necessary but a good starting point i'd hope :) Jan 02 06:58:42 fahhem: interesting, that's a great idea, wonder why no one's suggested it before! Jan 02 06:58:52 would be _great_ way to counter inferior controls an those tricky parts Jan 02 06:58:53 2010q1? does that mean i have to remake the widk?? Jan 02 06:59:18 i *think* you can get away with just buildig vba with the new toolchain and using the libs you've built already Jan 02 06:59:54 how did you get 2010q1 anyway? the git repo for cross-compile only recently got 2009q3 Jan 02 07:00:15 by i think i mean you can, because none of the libraries you build in the WIDK actually are used on the device anyway Jan 02 07:00:27 and the toolchain doesn't change the haeders, or at least not usually/enough to matter Jan 02 07:00:39 fahhem: downloaded it from code sourcery? Jan 02 07:00:51 oh and didn't realize someone upgraded the widk to 2009q3, great Jan 02 07:01:05 rwhitby did it a few days ago Jan 02 07:01:40 great, wonder if/how that'll effect the rest of things. Jan 02 07:01:43 yeah, i'm new to the widk and such, so i don't really know what 'code sourcery' is other than a magical land where code goes after i delete it Jan 02 07:02:03 iirc that crosses a significant gcc version change, but shrug i'm sure it'll be sorted out... and guessing it's for the 2.0 stuff or something Jan 02 07:02:32 fahhem: hahah. it's the people who maintain and published a fork-ish of gcc especially targetted for ARM Jan 02 07:02:37 well they do other things but taht's what matters here :) Jan 02 07:02:51 and it's their toolchain palm builds their stuff with, so we use it too :) Jan 02 07:03:02 codesourcery.com, etc Jan 02 07:03:12 don't have a link handy to the new gcc sorry Jan 02 07:03:32 never spent the time to make it especially buildable by others other than documenting what i did in loose tems Jan 02 07:03:35 yeah, i see the link in the Makefile Jan 02 07:03:46 ("use 2010q1" instead of scripting the build env setup) Jan 02 07:03:57 fahhem: great! glad i was on the ball enough to add a link :D Jan 02 07:04:09 sorry, not your makefile Jan 02 07:04:17 hahaha darn xD Jan 02 07:04:23 in the widk makefile, but for 2009q1 and 2007q3 Jan 02 07:05:38 ah, k Jan 02 07:05:38 for future reference to anyone googling these logs: the 2010q1 toolchain from codesourcery is here http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package6493/public/arm-none-eabi/arm-2010q1-188-arm-none-eabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Jan 02 07:07:27 fahhem: err don't you want the gnueabi one? Jan 02 07:08:14 maybe O:-) Jan 02 07:08:22 for future reference: i may have misled googlers Jan 02 07:08:27 http://www.codesourcery.com/sgpp/lite/arm/portal/package6488/public/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2010q1-202-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Jan 02 07:09:04 aww, couldn't redeem myself Jan 02 07:10:04 for the record, fahhem pm'd me that link first, i just posted here Jan 02 07:10:08 >_> Jan 02 07:10:24 haha, thanks Jan 02 07:11:39 does the widk automatically use the latest toolchain available? Jan 02 07:11:49 fahhem: absoluteuly not, and by desing. Jan 02 07:12:05 sorry, the latest toolchain downloaded Jan 02 07:12:07 not sure 100% on reasoning to move to 2009q3, not having seen the discussion or looked at the relaetd changes Jan 02 07:12:09 dtzWill: for the record he already posted it before you Jan 02 07:12:24 but for exampled we usd 2007q3 for quite some time b/c that's what palm used in 1.4.5, etc Jan 02 07:12:34 :) Jan 02 07:12:37 idea being matching the toolchain would probably be a good idea to avoid misc issues Jan 02 07:12:50 Jack87-Home: hehe Jan 02 07:12:57 because rwhitby's 'update' to 2009q1 commit only changed the Makefile, nothing else Jan 02 07:14:35 fahhem: interesting. like i asid i haven't looked so can't comment Jan 02 07:15:00 and could check online git logs, etc, but... meh. bad internet, etc, i'll be home soon enough :) Jan 02 07:16:24 there's only one update to the toolchain in the repo so i don't have anything else to check, what did you do to upgrade to 2010q1? Jan 02 07:17:20 fahhem: uhhh just download it somewhere and extract it Jan 02 07:17:39 then cd to the appropriate libc directory and put the new bin dir on your PATH Jan 02 07:17:43 run sb2-init on the new toolchain Jan 02 07:17:54 someone figured out how to get sb2 to have 'modes' or something for different toolchains Jan 02 07:17:57 instead of having to switch Jan 02 07:18:05 oh right, sb2-init, i remember now Jan 02 07:18:07 (iirc it was via special targets) Jan 02 07:18:21 i've been building widk for so long i actually forgot the steps i took to start it Jan 02 07:18:26 sorry little bit of 'here be dragons' in terms of documented path Jan 02 07:18:31 hahah s'all good Jan 02 07:18:47 documented path, robustness/usability Jan 02 07:19:06 it's alright, i'll stick to manual sb2-init usage for now Jan 02 07:21:46 sweet, 65% of the way through Jan 02 07:21:57 hooray Jan 02 07:22:11 yeah those servers are slow, but hey free stuff so who's complaining :D Jan 02 07:23:01 what servers? Jan 02 07:23:13 oh, code sourcery? Jan 02 07:23:15 oh the codesourcery servers i meant Jan 02 07:23:15 yeah Jan 02 07:23:28 oh, i meant 65% through compiling the packages Jan 02 07:24:08 oh, okay. Jan 02 07:24:10 123 for armv6 and v7, 36 into v7 and all 123 built for v6, so 159/246=75% Jan 02 07:24:46 fahhem: are yuo intentionally building armv6 as well? Jan 02 07:25:02 fahhem: fwiw pixi work on VBA is WIP mostly limited by time Jan 02 07:32:59 i didn't disable it, and having a fully-functioning widk is a good side benefit of working on vba Jan 02 07:33:28 once i'm done with vba, i can try some native/hybrid coding Jan 02 07:34:24 sounds good :) Jan 02 07:34:54 I should play more with NodeJS... Jan 02 07:36:19 one thing that i never understood is if apps can communicate with palm services, can apps communicate with any other apps' service? Jan 02 07:36:19 dtzWill: you still around? Jan 02 07:36:42 tmandry: in and out, what can i do ya for? :) Jan 02 07:36:56 I have no idea if you can help with this, but I figured there was a chance Jan 02 07:37:15 fahhem: I think so? But not sure Jan 02 07:37:30 I think it depends on how they set up the service, like if say they limit the apps that can call against it Jan 02 07:37:59 dtzWill: I'm trying to get a Qt application up and running on webOS Jan 02 07:38:27 SineOt: so a service can say "only com.something.example.*" can call it? Jan 02 07:38:32 tmandry: yeppers. there's some example that are in the build.git iirc, not sure if we build or just the binaries, but should at least have the prereq libs for ya Jan 02 07:38:40 but it segfaults.. and I'm not sure what I'm looking at in this backtrace... http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/3XWLhKvQ Jan 02 07:38:46 * dtzWill looks Jan 02 07:38:58 erm... Jan 02 07:39:08 I think so? I'd imagine you could write a check in your service to see what was calling it Jan 02 07:39:11 http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/jJj2jkGT Jan 02 07:39:29 for most services though I don't know if it would really matter, but with some I'd imagine it'd be important Jan 02 07:40:52 dtzWill: basically.. somehow the qwsEventSourcePrepare function is being called in one thread, while the QWSDisplay constructor is still going in another.. so the global that hols the QWSDisplay pointer is still NULL Jan 02 07:42:02 dtzWill: but I don't know where the main loop stuff is coming from.. I searched for any glib main loop stuff in the Qt src and don't see any, just event stuff (oddly)... and then I don't know where SDL is coming from either Jan 02 07:42:10 tmandry: on 1.4.5? and while i haven't poked at it myself, you doing something like http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=qt/qt.git;a=blob_plain;f=binaries/armv6/qtrun;hb=HEAD etc? Jan 02 07:42:43 dtzWill: yep. using that display driver makes it segfault. otherwise (using linuxfb) it works Jan 02 07:43:02 bah re: what looks like constructor races Jan 02 07:43:19 basically Jan 02 07:43:52 and yes re: 1.4.5? Jan 02 07:43:53 the backtrace practically blew my mind though.. SDL came out of nowhere, and I know it isn't there because of the SDL display driver Jan 02 07:43:57 and yes 1.4.5 Jan 02 07:44:26 err what, doesn't the qt webos stuff use sdl? Jan 02 07:44:31 I could try my real device, just got this dev device in used, maybe it needs a doctor.. Jan 02 07:44:48 agreed dev device bein suspicious seems unlikely Jan 02 07:44:56 dtzWill: yes, but afaik it was only the display device Jan 02 07:45:06 well almost certainly input as well, right? Jan 02 07:45:15 hence the event loop stuff Jan 02 07:45:20 er, yeah, hmm Jan 02 07:46:16 the odd thing is that the qt stuff we have binaries for, buggy or whatnot definietly _ran_ consistently, so seems strange for you to have this issue Jan 02 07:46:25 well I compiled everything myself Jan 02 07:46:34 well right, but still :/ Jan 02 07:46:34 I like control :p Jan 02 07:46:55 okay well I'll try my real phone Jan 02 07:47:25 gl, sorry i can't help. feel free to poke me/the channel if for no other reason than to think out loud :) Jan 02 07:47:33 i know we'd all love to see the qt stuff revived :) Jan 02 07:47:59 what you just told me was tons of help compared to what I've had to deal with so far ;p Jan 02 07:50:02 well i'd try exploring WHY you're having what looks like a race, but it seems odd for your build env to introduce them when not in the original Jan 02 07:50:18 err Jan 02 07:50:31 that thought finishes with "but it seemed to work before so o_O" Jan 02 07:50:42 anyway apparently i was somehow helpful, hooary. gl sir :) Jan 02 07:51:09 thanks :) Jan 02 07:52:32 were you involved with working on the port at all? Jan 02 07:52:47 of Qt itself that is Jan 02 07:53:25 nopers. interestingly a while back i tried to get it working but gave up for misc reasons, and then the guy who did it came along and was like wham-o qt goodness Jan 02 07:53:33 never looked at what he did, unfortunately :/ Jan 02 07:54:23 heheh Jan 02 07:54:44 he also did it for kindle, so :p Jan 02 07:55:10 yeah he definitely seemed to know what he was doing Jan 02 07:55:14 but dealing with qt's own build system and cross-compiling and everything is a chore to say the least Jan 02 07:55:38 yeah, i think i spent most my time on that, adn fixing misc things that broke build-wise Jan 02 07:55:51 and then just said fuck it when the result didn't work and moved on :) Jan 02 07:55:54 I can understand giving up, in fact I probably would've by now if I didn't have an application that I wanted to move to using Qt :) Jan 02 07:56:20 hah, the worst part of it is the documentation imo Jan 02 07:56:30 well also the fact that you've seen it work and it has patches for webos or something (i assume it does) probably helps too Jan 02 07:56:32 but i hae you haha Jan 02 07:56:52 Qt's API has great docs, but for the embedded/cross compiling stuff you have to look Jan 02 07:56:52 documentation is a curious thing. Jan 02 07:57:18 hmm well i was gonna say given the nature of the beast it might just be complicated Jan 02 07:57:30 but if you say their other work has docs that make it less intense then hooray for that :) Jan 02 07:57:38 ie ./configure --help DOESN'T tell you everything - only gives you the subset of options that are specific for your platform, not telling you about the flags you might want to switch platforms (-embedded, for instance) Jan 02 07:57:46 heh, yeah. Jan 02 07:57:58 deeefinitely just bounced through that file Jan 02 07:58:06 that got me for a good long while :p Jan 02 08:13:23 Has anyone built something for NodeJS using an NPM module? Jan 02 08:17:35 dtzWill: same thing on a different phone. I'm gonna have to tackle this when I get back from skiing in a week Jan 02 08:17:57 tmandry: okay, thanks for reporting back! Jan 02 08:18:10 tmandry: have a great time! Jan 02 08:18:57 thanks, will do :) Jan 02 08:30:49 SineOt: At the least you could just include the code as a subdir in your nodejs program Jan 02 08:31:04 Hm. Yeah. Jan 02 08:31:29 I want to try my hand at writing a site scraper app... Using a NodeJS service + Apricot to scrape what I need. Jan 02 08:31:53 https://github.com/silentrob/Apricot < Really probably one of the best things that NodeJS coming is going to bring with it Jan 02 08:32:18 why do you need apricot when you could just run the stuff on a server Jan 02 08:33:02 Because letting the end user's device do all the work for me means I don't have to pay/keep up a server. Jan 02 08:33:10 Or rather, making the end user's device. Jan 02 08:33:19 i guess you could try to pull as much of the app into the phone, but a lot of WebOS is about putting only a little on the phone and using the cloud to do most of the work Jan 02 08:34:52 i bought webosservices.com, i can throw some server space and a subdomain your way if you want Jan 02 08:35:11 Well, regardless of if the phone does it in an app or it does it in the browser, the phone loads it anyways Jan 02 08:35:41 for free at least while you dev Jan 02 08:36:13 yeah, but if you have a server doing it, you can put the necessary data into json and save the phone a lot of processing Jan 02 08:37:37 either way, it'd be a good thing to learn regardless of where it ends up getting run Jan 02 09:33:37 rwhitby-pre: ping Jan 02 10:25:11 tmandry: The qt port was done by dr with help of rwhitby. Jan 02 10:25:42 tmandry: I expect you read http://www.griffin.net/2010/02/qt-on-the-palm-pre.html and checked the git link he posted. Jan 02 10:26:03 tmandry: That is all I know about it, hope that it helps Jan 02 10:27:07 The plugin code is now released on the LGPL 2.1 license, to match Qt. It can be found on qt.gitorious.org (git clone git://gitorious.org/~darronb/qt/qt-palm-pre.git). Jan 02 10:27:35 tmandry: http://www.precentral.net/qt-app-platform-and-running-palm-pre Jan 02 10:58:16 Hey is it possible to patch the wifi drivers of the palm pre with mad wifi stuff or so for packet injection and other wireless fun ? Jan 02 11:51:21 destinal-sleep: actually, to bypass activation, I just put the phone in dev mode from the emergency phone app, like explained here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Jan 02 12:03:03 gr��e... Jan 02 12:03:10 spricht hier einer deutsch� Jan 02 12:07:31 The add-on Web-OS It doesn't work whit komodo6 ??? Jan 02 12:19:32 who used komodo whit web-os extensions? Jan 02 15:20:39 I installed WIDK on Ubuntu. How can I setup libcurl for static linking? Jan 02 17:58:25 i have a .pls playlist on my server that im trying to link to but the stream player only plays the first song Jan 02 17:58:30 any ideas? Jan 02 18:17:44 blino: oh right I forgot about that, the 2.0 bypass is a lot easier Jan 02 18:32:05 Anyone know why i cant get a remote .pls playlist file to play more than just the first song Jan 02 18:33:21 not a clue.. Jan 02 19:45:47 is there a app that will adjust settings on my phone say when I leave and come back to my house? Jan 02 19:46:30 location based settings ? not that i know of, but feel free to make one up Jan 02 19:46:50 I'm not sure if mode switcher is that detailed, but you might find it useful Jan 02 19:47:57 loudergood: that's the app thanks what draws more battery life wifi always on or gps? Jan 02 19:48:15 hape: thanks. Jan 02 19:48:27 probably gps, the wifi is designed to be on all the time I think Jan 02 19:48:56 if the comment in the sleep settings is to be believed Jan 02 19:51:20 ok. because I use my phone as a mp3 player while at work I don't want it to go dead lol. and I don't get service in my house that's why I needed that app so it will go into roam only mode when home. Jan 02 19:52:24 touchstones everywhere ;) Jan 02 19:52:36 the media playback capabilities of the phone are killer on the battery .. really very poor, in my opinion Jan 02 19:52:43 I agree Jan 02 19:54:23 though I don't think I've seen a phone that does well with that yet Jan 02 19:54:38 of course my brother's iphones are probably not a good example Jan 02 19:54:47 yea I know. every 2 hours it pulls 25% of the battery Jan 02 19:58:17 my phone lasts a lot longer at 500/800 for some reason Jan 02 19:58:45 granted at work and home I have at least 4 bars Jan 02 20:00:34 I'm running the sr71 kernel I have it set for ondemand 1200/500 Jan 02 20:01:59 really? I had problems running at 1Ghz so I cut back to 800 because I didn't really notice the difference Jan 02 20:02:11 mostly just with lengthy camera use Jan 02 20:02:34 I have ran the sr71 kernal since it got released never had a problem with it. Jan 02 20:03:05 I was reading that some pre's can't handle the 1200 Jan 02 20:03:09 of course I was recording video for about half an hour before I had the problem Jan 02 20:03:20 and the problem was the camera locked up, nothing else Jan 02 20:03:34 phone got really warm too Jan 02 20:06:54 camera app would just load to a grey screen no matter what I did Jan 02 20:15:23 morning Jan 02 20:19:39 morning rwhitby-pre Jan 02 21:04:46 hey Jan 02 21:06:33 destinal: are you there? Jan 02 21:50:07 does anyone notice that the notes field in webos contacts is broken Jan 02 21:50:21 it auto inserts
's for line returns Jan 02 21:50:27 but then fails to render them properly Jan 02 21:58:40 * halfhalo has decided to bring a pre with him to ces Jan 02 23:23:26 happy new year and stuff? Jan 03 00:23:25 I spent 3 days compiling widk, only to be in a car when it finished Jan 03 00:23:51 lol Jan 03 00:23:55 3 days? Jan 03 00:25:27 Yeah, I'd start it and do something else Jan 03 00:25:40 Then come back to it a few hours later to see it's been broken for an hour and I'd fix that and start the process over Jan 03 00:26:40 heh. Jan 03 00:26:45 thats not bad. Jan 03 00:26:46 Didn't help that most of my packages were the wrong version so I'd spend a while googling and keep getting changelogs Jan 03 00:27:20 its not like you were compiling for an embedded target with specific bootloader kernel file size ;] Jan 03 00:27:43 What are you hinting at? Jan 03 00:27:49 good job :) Jan 03 00:28:02 ...i was in the biggest apple store in the world today. Jan 03 00:28:13 they didnt have a dual core i7 on site for demo.. Jan 03 00:28:15 Heaven? Lol Jan 03 00:28:32 and none of their imac/mac pro machines had X-Tools installed. Jan 03 00:28:50 i should make a reddit cartoon about that. Jan 03 00:28:59 do you mean Xcode? Jan 03 00:29:10 Xcode, mm. yeah/ Jan 03 00:29:35 lame right? Jan 03 00:30:00 not really, it's a retail store, why would they have the SDK install on the demo machines? :p Jan 03 00:30:10 Why would it be installed on demo machines? Jan 03 00:30:47 Yeah, the demo machines are prolly just cloned from some master anyway Jan 03 00:31:21 I wouldn't go into one of the Microsoft retail stores and expect them to have Visual Studio on them :p Jan 03 00:32:02 ] Jan 03 00:33:18 you missed your opening bracket there Jan 03 00:33:39 or perhaps it's a really late closed bracket Jan 03 00:33:46 lol Jan 03 00:33:51 oops Jan 03 00:34:29 He just json'd our whole conversation Jan 03 00:36:31 heh. Jan 03 00:37:39 the biggest apple store on earth.. Jan 03 00:38:18 Is a costco? Jan 03 00:42:18 i thought it was pretty pathetic. Jan 03 00:42:34 it's a retail store Jan 03 00:42:53 how else are you to benchmark , or even check out multiple guest os's Jan 03 00:43:06 yeah, based on trying the stuff out. Jan 03 00:43:28 you have an apple of course. Jan 03 00:44:16 which store was it? Jan 03 00:44:24 boston. Jan 03 00:44:31 baaston Jan 03 00:44:51 it's retail? :/ Jan 03 00:44:51 it rhymes with austin. Jan 03 00:45:08 I don't go to Best Buy and expect all the PCs to have Visual Studio on them lol Jan 03 00:45:15 there are a bunch of em here in the bay area, but most aren't crazy huge Jan 03 00:45:44 i expect best buy to sell shit, and know nothing about the shit they sell. hehe Jan 03 00:45:52 i generally hate BB Jan 03 00:46:05 the whole place just kind of sets me off Jan 03 00:46:11 makes me want to go out and kill Jan 03 00:46:14 yes. Jan 03 00:46:26 that's the lighting Jan 03 00:46:42 probably. apple stores fill me with the need to buy things Jan 03 00:46:48 or the fact radioshack doesnt carry/sell USB cables anymore. Jan 03 00:47:23 and when you find one at bestbusy, its $25 Jan 03 00:47:27 then you see one for $10 Jan 03 00:47:46 you need a frys for that Jan 03 00:47:49 and you go to plug your phone in to copy some mp3s, and notice it only supports power/charge, not data transfer. Jan 03 00:47:49 The next to last time I went into best buy I could not think of a thing to buy with a 50 dollar gift card Jan 03 00:47:57 we have a microcenter. Jan 03 00:48:05 they have everything, pretty cheap, and their complete ineptitude at trying to sell you something means it's pretty hassle free Jan 03 00:48:05 it should be called, chinacenter. Jan 03 00:48:15 * halfhalo has a drys gift card Jan 03 00:48:28 Dows anyone know what the status is of the new Freetether? Jan 03 00:48:41 the only thime they get aggressive is in the TV area. they circle around there like vultures Jan 03 00:48:47 you look on the back of the box to see if its somthing that might work, and its a translated convolutied abstract of somthing about... you get the point Jan 03 00:49:08 Heh.. For some reason try's has airsoft guns in front of the CPU/mobocracy area Jan 03 00:49:09 Davide-NYC for 2.0? Jan 03 00:49:17 Dammit iPad Jan 03 00:49:25 nice. so you can fight off the slimy sales guys Jan 03 00:49:51 For either 1.4.5 or 2.0.1 Jan 03 00:50:05 I keep seeing screenshots Jan 03 00:50:18 oh? Jan 03 00:50:25 What sales guys.... :p Jan 03 00:50:34 sup halfhalo. Jan 03 00:50:37 well, they're over at the TV area Jan 03 00:50:38 download stanza Jan 03 00:51:09 best epub/pdf reader, supports dropbox too. Jan 03 00:51:15 or viceversa. Jan 03 00:51:51 bout to go rocka bowl of cereal and some haloreach Jan 03 00:51:57 * oc80z just got back to the states, hrmph. Jan 03 00:52:02 Meh Jan 03 00:52:13 Drys makes me buy random crap Jan 03 00:52:40 ppl at telefonica and claro try to sell me phones, im like snap, you see that , thats palm pre cholo! Jan 03 00:53:01