**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 05 02:59:58 2011
Jan 05 03:11:13 <lingfish> hrm, should I expect installs of my previous Preware stuff to just hang at Downloading / Installing from Saved Package List, when having gone from Pre1/1.4.5 to Pre2/2.0.1?
Jan 05 03:13:17 <rwhitby> yes, when those packages are no longer available.  swipe to delete them from the saved package list
Jan 05 03:14:28 <lingfish> No longer avail or not updated, to be accurate, right?
Jan 05 03:15:19 <lingfish> Hrm, can't abort either, have to relaunch Preware.
Jan 05 03:16:28 <rwhitby> no longer available in the feeds you have enalbed
Jan 05 03:17:04 <lingfish> ah so maybe I need to enable some.
Jan 05 03:17:18 <Jack87-Nook> hi folks
Jan 05 03:17:36 <lingfish> hrm, nah... the S/R restore of Preware has brought all that back for me... damn.
Jan 05 03:17:42 <lingfish> Some useful patches lost
Jan 05 03:19:50 <lingfish> Is it just a bug or whatever to then show them, but not recognise that a 2.x version isn't available?
Jan 05 06:15:26 <torchie> OMGFREETETHER
Jan 05 06:15:41 <torchie> twitter is a frighteningly quick deliverer
Jan 05 06:15:47 <rwhitby> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
Jan 05 06:16:46 * halfhalo throws a party
Jan 05 06:24:12 <torchie> i don't see it D:
Jan 05 06:24:23 <destinal> torchie: testing feed
Jan 05 06:24:32 <torchie> I've got it enabled
Jan 05 06:24:51 <rwhitby> one sec
Jan 05 06:28:27 <torchie> see it
Jan 05 06:28:32 <torchie> I'm wet
Jan 05 06:33:29 <torchie> wifi should be on when using wifi interface right
Jan 05 06:37:41 <egaudet> normal wifi will turn off and AP mdoe will come on (you should not have wifi icon in top bar)
Jan 05 06:38:52 <torchie> ah I see
Jan 05 06:47:02 <lingfish> ack I miss the screenlock EAS PIN bypass patch
Jan 05 06:47:15 <lingfish> Anyone doing anything on it, or should I give it a go for 2.0.1?
Jan 05 06:50:09 <rwhitby> go for it
Jan 05 06:51:19 <lingfish> Do all apps that land in Preware live within WOSI git?
Jan 05 06:51:45 <rwhitby> those in the webos-internals feed do
Jan 05 06:51:59 <rwhitby> precentral feed do not
Jan 05 06:52:42 <lingfish> k, what I'm getting at is how best to find the previous versions' code.
Jan 05 06:53:14 <lingfish> homepage is listed as WOSI ;)
Jan 05 06:54:32 <lingfish> ooo I just found patches/webos-internals.org
Jan 05 06:55:38 <lingfish> hrm, not what I wanted
Jan 05 07:06:36 <lingfish> heh, am I losing it, or is ssh'ing into the Pre builtin?  I never recall installing openssh
Jan 05 07:09:49 <torchie> crackerjack job gentlemen
Jan 05 07:10:43 <ice8lue> good morning guys
Jan 05 07:12:50 <ice8lue> i just had a very strange event on my pre-... last night, somebody tried to call but i didnt answer. 3h before i fully charged the pre, when i arrived that 3h later it was at 12% Oo
Jan 05 07:13:19 <ice8lue> so i charged it the whole night until this morning, plugged out the usb cable and had a shower
Jan 05 07:13:35 <ice8lue> when i came back 10min later, it was at 88%
Jan 05 07:13:46 <ice8lue> with no apps open, wifi and 3g data disabled
Jan 05 07:13:54 <ice8lue> what could cause that?
Jan 05 07:14:33 <ShadeS> no idea
Jan 05 07:19:22 <ice8lue> =/
Jan 05 07:22:57 <ice8lue> sleep well, destinal^^
Jan 05 07:26:05 <ShadeS> when in doubt swap it out..?
Jan 05 07:28:02 <Jack87> ice8lue, you need to reboot
Jan 05 07:29:26 <ice8lue> Jack87: Just did so, lets see if that works. but I can't imagine what caused that behavior...
Jan 05 07:29:44 <ice8lue> it's running at Screenstate 500/600 with lower voltages...
Jan 05 07:30:08 <Jack87> my guess fluke
Jan 05 07:30:13 <ice8lue> and normally takes 2,5 days to own to ~10%
Jan 05 07:30:19 <ice8lue> ^^
Jan 05 07:31:02 <ice8lue> wll, thx so far, gotta go to uni now
Jan 05 07:31:10 <ice8lue> cu guys
Jan 05 07:32:30 <Jack87> ice8lue, bye bye
Jan 05 08:31:41 <lingfish> rwhitby-pre: (or dBsooner): I just hand hacked the screen-lock-bypass-pin.patch onto my 2.0.1 install and it looks good so far :)
Jan 05 08:32:44 <lingfish> I should probably create a login or something on git and just pull it up, alas.
Jan 05 08:46:19 <hape> lingfish: you can post new Patches here http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/224038-webos-patches-web-portal-now-online-browse-patches-submit-new-submit-update.html
Jan 05 08:46:58 <lingfish> hape: not really a new patch -- merely took dBsooner's work and did it for 2.0.1 :)
Jan 05 08:47:46 <hape> lingfish: For the patch portal this is a new patch :-)
Jan 05 08:48:18 <lingfish> I would have thought its more about just bumping the ver and making it avail to 2.0.1 though?
Jan 05 08:48:31 <lingfish> Like, it works out of the box... I did zero to it.  It's identical.
Jan 05 08:50:21 <hape> is the *.patch file working or did you need to create a new one?
Jan 05 08:51:32 <hape> I think the best would be to PM dBsooner that it is working on 2.0 and he can add it to the list of working patches
Jan 05 08:51:41 <lingfish> hape: nah, I fluently read diffs, so effectively applied the patch
Jan 05 08:51:49 <lingfish> yeah.
Jan 05 08:52:19 <hape> dBsooner is the pacth master ;-)
Jan 05 08:52:34 <hape> s/pacth/patch/
Jan 05 08:52:36 <infobot> hape meant: dBsooner is the patch master ;-)
Jan 05 08:58:02 * oil hasn't seen dbsooner in like a year
Jan 05 08:58:13 <lingfish> wtf, really?
Jan 05 09:03:20 <hape> yep here in IRC but he is in forum an created the new patch portal
Jan 05 09:08:00 <oil> http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=www/webos-patches.git;a=summary
Jan 05 09:08:10 <oil> 2010-04-25
Jan 05 09:08:21 <hape> lingfish: The best would be that you resubmit the existing patch in the patch portal http://patches.webos-internals.org/ and add the information that it is only a resubmit for the new version after you tested it.
Jan 05 09:08:52 <lingfish> hape: k, well I went to your URL above which points to dbsooner.com, and that says its down heh
Jan 05 09:09:17 <oil> its on webosinternals servers now
Jan 05 09:09:22 <lingfish> yup.
Jan 05 09:09:52 <oil> he was the only one with power over that server, we had to move it
Jan 05 09:11:07 <lingfish> Perhaps I should just use the Submit Update?
Jan 05 09:12:22 <lingfish> Seems silly that I have to upload the same patchfile... pity I can't just mark it as 2.0.1 usable.  Why write this thing when bugzilla etc work just fine...
Jan 05 09:16:22 <lingfish> Just sayin.
Jan 05 09:22:23 <cryptk> lingfish, what is the name of the patch?
Jan 05 09:23:34 <cryptk> if the patch already exists in the patch portal at patches.webos-internals.org you should be able to just submit an update
Jan 05 09:23:48 <lingfish> screen-lock-bypass-pin
Jan 05 09:24:08 <lingfish> I went to try submit update, but it wants me to attach a file
Jan 05 09:25:53 <lingfish> I must be missing something...
Jan 05 09:25:57 <cryptk> yes, if the .patch file applies cleanly, just use the .patch file that it originally had
Jan 05 09:27:35 <lingfish> Righto, will do.  I'll undo my handwork and actually use the patchfile just to be sure.
Jan 05 09:28:36 <lingfish> While we're at it -- re ssh'ing into my new Pre... its been so long since I did it to my other one... pretty sure I never installed openssh or dropbear...
Jan 05 09:28:49 <lingfish> well, they don't show up in my saved apps list
Jan 05 09:30:18 <cryptk> you should be able to install OpenSSH via preware
Jan 05 09:30:30 <cryptk> that or use novaterm
Jan 05 09:31:29 <lingfish> I'd expect to have seen that in my S/R saved list though, and it nor bear was in it.  Somehow I did it without installing either, damn wish I could remember
Jan 05 09:36:24 <cryptk> did you restore a saved packages list using save/restore?
Jan 05 09:36:42 <lingfish> yuh.
Jan 05 09:36:53 <lingfish> but it (any form of ssh) wasn't listed there, is my point :)
Jan 05 09:37:07 <lingfish> booting old pre now, with a dead SIM, see if I can work it out
Jan 05 09:41:01 <cryptk> are you trying to SSH in over the wifi or EVDO connection?
Jan 05 09:41:03 <lingfish> gleh... my bookmarks never came across right either... the first thumb page is populated, but the actual bookmark list is blank
Jan 05 09:41:10 <lingfish> over wifi
Jan 05 09:41:17 <cryptk> are you on a linux box?
Jan 05 09:41:28 <lingfish> I have anything... doze, linux, ossux
Jan 05 09:41:34 <cryptk> what are you on now?
Jan 05 09:42:16 <lingfish> I was just novaterm'ing from doze.
Jan 05 09:42:31 <lingfish> I usually ssh to the pre from my linux box though
Jan 05 09:46:26 <cryptk> on the pre, run this
Jan 05 09:46:32 <cryptk> netstat -vatpn | grep 22
Jan 05 09:46:54 <lingfish> old or new?
Jan 05 09:47:23 <lingfish> You're just checking for an ssh listener, I get that...
Jan 05 09:47:38 <cryptk> yeah
Jan 05 09:47:43 <cryptk> on the new one
Jan 05 09:47:55 <cryptk> OpenSSH by default runs on port 22, dropbear runs on 2222
Jan 05 09:47:55 <lingfish> grr, can't get past the profile signin on the old now either.
Jan 05 09:48:16 <lingfish> Right, I must have been using openssh then... I never forced a port.
Jan 05 09:48:22 <cryptk> ahh, yeah, you would need to bypass activation on it... either with meta-doc or the palm tool
Jan 05 09:48:27 <lingfish> Bizarre.  Perhaps S/R doesn't support openssh and it was always on it
Jan 05 09:48:27 <hape> lingfish: did I read it ringt that you have webos 2.0.1. Was this the one that your Pre2 came with or was this a first OTA update?
Jan 05 09:48:44 <pc-world> when I execute "make stage" in the WIDK, I get the error "libtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.1a Debian 1.9+20051221-1, but the ..." while compiling fuse: http://pastebin.com/MxJPPSMh
Jan 05 09:48:51 <cryptk> chances are Pre2 (at least I would hope so)
Jan 05 09:48:52 <pc-world> (I use Ubuntu 10.10)
Jan 05 09:49:04 <lingfish> hape: Shiny new Pre 2, I doctored to 2.0.1... OTA said no updats
Jan 05 09:49:52 <lingfish> So in short, there is definately no default ssh server in WebOS -- I absolutely must have installed either ossh or bear?
Jan 05 09:52:08 <cryptk> yep
Jan 05 09:52:16 <cryptk> WebOS does not come with an SSH server
Jan 05 09:52:27 <pc-world> any idea to libtool/fuse?
Jan 05 09:53:07 <lingfish> cryptk: ok, will check that tomoz ... I'm familiar with the metadoc, but what is the palm tool to bypass activation?
Jan 05 09:53:55 <hape> lingfish: could you do me favor and test if Navit ist working and get a GPS positon. we have troubel with 2.0.0 and hope that Palm perhaps fixed the API problem with 2.0.1
Jan 05 09:54:51 <cryptk> pc-world, can you run this command...
Jan 05 09:54:55 <cryptk> dpkg -s libtool
Jan 05 09:55:04 <cryptk> and give me the output in a pastebin
Jan 05 09:55:04 <pc-world> in scratchbox?
Jan 05 09:55:06 <lingfish> hape: is Navit in Preware?
Jan 05 09:55:11 <pc-world> lingfish: yes
Jan 05 09:55:16 <lingfish> k
Jan 05 09:55:44 <cryptk> pc-world, outside of scratchbox
Jan 05 09:55:59 <pc-world> cryptk: http://pastebin.com/ymrF2e3z
Jan 05 09:56:12 <lingfish> hape: installing it now
Jan 05 09:56:39 <pc-world> "Conflicts: autoconf (<= 2.12), automake (<= 1.3), libtool1.4" - maybe that's the problem?
Jan 05 09:57:32 <pc-world> but how to fix it?
Jan 05 09:57:41 <cryptk> that's not the problem
Jan 05 09:57:55 <cryptk> that is purely informational (well, not really, but that isn't your problem
Jan 05 09:59:29 <hape> lingfish: Thanks, th imortent part is if you get an GPS fix. There is an "r:x.xxxx" value in the upper right corner. x.xxx should not be 0.000 if you have a GPS fix.
Jan 05 09:59:50 <lingfish> hape: so I just run it and it'll start trying to get a lock?
Jan 05 10:00:28 <pc-world> "libtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.1a Debian 1.9+20051221-1, but the definition of this LT_INIT comes from an older release. You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.1a Debian 1.9+20051221-1 and run autoconf again."
Jan 05 10:00:29 <pc-world> what's alocal.m4?
Jan 05 10:01:36 <lingfish> hape: sorry, just never used it before
Jan 05 10:02:24 <cryptk> pc-world, run this
Jan 05 10:02:25 <cryptk> ld -v
Jan 05 10:02:32 <cryptk> should just be one line so just paste it in here
Jan 05 10:03:09 <pc-world> "GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.20.51-system.20100908"
Jan 05 10:03:46 <cryptk> libtool --version
Jan 05 10:04:38 <pc-world> cryptk: http://pastebin.com/A3YLxMb8
Jan 05 10:04:45 <hape> lingfish: yes, not sure if you need to need a map for a quick test.
Jan 05 10:05:36 <hape> lingfish: If you select the icon it shoud start, if it quits again without doing anything that you need a map first
Jan 05 10:05:43 <lingfish> well its been up for a bit now, and still all 00
Jan 05 10:05:57 <hape> That is bad
Jan 05 10:06:25 <lingfish> All I've done is launched it.. I have a yellow kinda screen with a few icons
Jan 05 10:06:39 <hape> you you pastbin the log please. It is in /media/internal/appdata/webosinterl.navit/navit.log
Jan 05 10:06:59 <lingfish> Sure.
Jan 05 10:07:13 <pc-world> "ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 2.2.6b"
Jan 05 10:09:27 <lingfish> http://webos.pastebin.com/M9eX1tpH
Jan 05 10:09:29 <cryptk> pc-world, gimmie a few minutes...
Jan 05 10:09:39 <pc-world> no problem
Jan 05 10:10:40 <hape> lingfish: Thanks, the PDL api for webos service calls is still broken. #
Jan 05 10:10:43 <hape> vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed with (2): (Unable to dispatch service call)
Jan 05 10:10:50 <lingfish> hape: :(
Jan 05 10:11:04 <lingfish> Sorry my good man :/
Jan 05 10:12:42 <hape> I hope they fix it soon. Let us hope for Febuary 9th ...
Jan 05 10:13:23 <lingfish> I have much, much larger hopes for that date my friend(s)... HP really, really need to bomb the shit out of us all.... and soon.
Jan 05 10:13:39 <lingfish> The fucking around I had to goto just to get this NA Pre 2 shipped to .au *sigh*
Jan 05 10:24:44 <cryptk> pc-world, I am installing WIDK on my local system (which is also Ubuntu 10.10) to see if I can replicate your problem
Jan 05 10:24:56 <lingfish> Hrm, anyone got any ideas why my bookmarks would be stuffed?
Jan 05 10:25:59 <pc-world> cryptk: Thank you! Can you PM me on precentral ("pcworld") or write in this thread (http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2815930) when you get more information?
Jan 05 10:26:16 <cryptk> ok
Jan 05 10:27:19 <pc-world> thanks! I must go now
Jan 05 10:28:25 <ice8lue> update to my post this morning: the big battery drop seems to be connected to the latest virtual keyboard patch
Jan 05 10:29:23 <ice8lue> i did send some sms this morning with the HW keyboard and everything was fine. then i did write one via the vkb and 30 minutes later battery was down at ~25% (from over80%!)
Jan 05 11:02:27 <cryptk> looks like WIDK needs a cleanup...
Jan 05 11:02:50 <Jack87-Home_Away> cryptk: are you going to do it
Jan 05 11:05:15 <cryptk> don't have time atm...
Jan 05 11:05:21 <cryptk> but bison is failing to build
Jan 05 11:09:00 <Jack87-Home_Away> going to bed cryptk have a good night
Jan 05 11:09:31 <cryptk> gn Jack87-Home_Away
Jan 05 11:40:50 <rwhitby-pre> hape: BTW dBSooner no longer does anything with patches for almost a year now
Jan 05 11:41:52 <hape> rwhitby-pre: ok, thanks for the info. So he has left, what apiti
Jan 05 11:43:24 <rwhitby-pre> work stuff apparently
Jan 05 11:54:37 <hape> ok, he would like to but do not find the time.
Jan 05 12:21:18 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic , egaudet : Thanx for the gift :)  I just haven't tested it yet, but it's a nice thing to have it there!
Jan 05 15:09:06 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone
Jan 05 16:31:42 <egaudet> morning
Jan 05 17:26:49 <jackjohn> been playing with freetether .99.6 a bit - when i enter a passphrase on the pre and connect to it via laptop it does not ask for passphrase
Jan 05 17:27:36 <ice8lue_> rwhitby: do you have a minute? got a really strange problem
Jan 05 17:28:05 <ice8lue_> rwhitby-pre, i mean
Jan 05 17:29:49 <ice8lue_> still got problems with huge battery discharge and i think i know what causes it
Jan 05 17:31:53 <Loudergood> is he not sleeping now?
Jan 05 17:32:29 <ice8lue_> i dont know^^
Jan 05 17:33:09 <Loudergood> well, it's 4:30 am in sydney, and earlier to the west
Jan 05 17:33:29 <ice8lue_> oh okay^^ its early evening over here
Jan 05 17:33:38 <Loudergood> 1230 here
Jan 05 17:33:55 <Loudergood> do you need someone else to test something for you on another phone?
Jan 05 17:35:37 <ice8lue_> well my problem is that it's battery is discharging amazingly fast
Jan 05 17:35:43 <ice8lue_> but i dont know why
Jan 05 17:36:12 <Loudergood> did I see you say last night that it was related to virtual keyboard?
Jan 05 17:36:19 <ice8lue_> ya
Jan 05 17:36:26 <ice8lue_> i thought it was because of that
Jan 05 17:36:37 <ice8lue_> i tried vkb with uinput and keyboss
Jan 05 17:36:44 <ice8lue_> afterwards that started
Jan 05 17:37:26 <ice8lue_> on minute, my laptop also does strange things... maybe i know now whats wrong but that answer wont be a good one...
Jan 05 17:38:20 <egaudet> ice8lue_: keyboss might be culprit
Jan 05 17:38:28 <flare576> hi guys!  is there a specific channel for talking about freeTether?
Jan 05 17:38:43 <egaudet> there've been reports and a log posted that it is causing issues with sleep so it may destroy power fast
Jan 05 17:38:54 <egaudet> I haven't had a chance to debug it yet
Jan 05 17:39:07 <egaudet> flare576: here is fine
Jan 05 17:39:25 <egaudet> jackjohn: if you close and start FT app does it still behave that way?
Jan 05 17:40:43 <flare576> attempting to use a Nintendo DSi with "Open" security.  the system can see the SSID but while attempting a connection test (on DSi) never seems to get a signal, and never appears on freeTether's connection list.
Jan 05 17:42:45 <flare576> I've tried other tethering solutions, and they failed to work because the Pre would drop the data signal during authentication and the DSi would be unable to connect to Nintendo for it's final phase of the connection test (just FYI)
Jan 05 17:46:06 <jackjohn> egaudet.... let me try
Jan 05 17:46:20 <jackjohn> brb
Jan 05 17:48:49 <jimjohn> egaudet: did a luna restart after installed freetether and prompted me for passphrase
Jan 05 17:49:17 <jimjohn> fyi i am jackjohn
Jan 05 17:51:00 <jimjohn> thanks... i will continue to test it out and let you know if i come across anything
Jan 05 17:54:47 <flare576> also odd: as a test I decided to try and tether my laptop (to verify that something wasn't just plain borked) and I successfully connected... but there is nothing listed on freeTether's Connections tab.
Jan 05 17:56:19 <egaudet> flare576: how is laptop connected?
Jan 05 17:56:34 <egaudet> USB connections currently won't show
Jan 05 17:57:07 <flare576> sorry: everything is over wifi with open security (since the DSi isn't fully compatible with WPA*)
Jan 05 17:58:00 * ice8lue is back
Jan 05 17:58:11 <egaudet> flare576: OK we'll have to look into that.  is your connections list empty?
Jan 05 17:58:35 <flare576> yes, "No devices connected"
Jan 05 17:59:33 <flare576> hmm, I toggled "WiFi" to "off" and laptop is still connected, DHCP/IP forwarding are green.
Jan 05 18:00:33 <egaudet> flare576: webos 1.4.5?
Jan 05 18:00:41 <flare576> correct.
Jan 05 18:01:24 <egaudet> if you could capture dbus and log messages for freetether while doing these things that would help a lot
Jan 05 18:02:17 <flare576> got a howto somewhere?   I apologize for asking, but it's been a long time since I dug into the testing feed.
Jan 05 18:06:53 <ice8lue> Loudergood: do you have any ideas?
Jan 05 18:06:54 <flare576> ok, Lumberjack now open and trying to figure out exporting...
Jan 05 18:08:51 <egaudet> flare576: lumberjack is good yeah, not sure how to export.  rwhitby, oil?
Jan 05 18:11:24 <flare576> meh, poking around, I might just be better off doing a file copy in terminal... going to see if wiki has log/dbus locations :)
Jan 05 18:12:55 <flare576> well, that's odd... DSi works now....
Jan 05 18:14:10 <egaudet> flare576: alternatively you can capture via novaterm/ssh from PC
Jan 05 18:14:28 <egaudet> dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.freetether    and tail -f /var/log/messages |grep freetether
Jan 05 18:15:10 <egaudet> I will also try to reproduce when I can tonight
Jan 05 18:22:55 <flare576> attempting to do the commands from Terminal; not sure I've got the stuff on my pc to play with the Pre.
Jan 05 18:23:42 <destinal> flare576 you could just install webos SDK and novaterm in to the device
Jan 05 18:24:38 <flare576> work pc, if I can't get Terminal to play nice I will though :)
Jan 05 18:26:19 <egaudet> flare576: if it's too much trouble it's ok.  Puff or I will want to try to reproduce it first anyway
Jan 05 18:27:24 <flare576> alrighty.  lumberjack bassicaly Error: wifi spinning false over and over
Jan 05 18:27:48 <egaudet> yeah that's just debugging cruft
Jan 05 18:29:09 <egaudet> we need to cleanup all the output messages into more easily debuggable messages
Jan 05 18:29:35 <flare576> hrm, I uninstalled the old freetether (as well as mobile hotspot) before installing the latest version, but I see this in the log: Error: remove old client undefined
Jan 05 18:30:02 <flare576> that's why it's in the testing feed ;)
Jan 05 18:31:08 <egaudet> remove old client means it found a disconnection in the client list and removed it
Jan 05 18:31:47 <egaudet> when capturing log messages do custom "freetether" rather than freetether from drop down because it will add in the service debug messages too
Jan 05 18:36:30 <flare576> will the "tail" command you gave me earlier capture all that? (for some reason I can't get it to actually give me data, should I just use cat, or would that be too much data?)
Jan 05 18:37:32 <egaudet> cat would be a lot from all runs, tail follow will be all current/new stuff
Jan 05 18:43:47 <flare576> tail -f seemed to be just waiting for me to do something, so i'll jus do cat and manually trim it down :)  the dbus command doesn't seem to be generating output: dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.freetether
Jan 05 18:46:20 <flare576> brb, USB mode to grab the log to PC
Jan 05 18:48:48 <egaudet> flare576: both tail and dbus capture are waiting for stuff not checking for already logged events
Jan 05 18:49:06 <egaudet> you want to reproduce your steps while having the tail and dbus capture active
Jan 05 18:51:00 <Flare576_> Hah, going USB mode with Terminal, freeTether, LumberJack, and Wirc all running was probably not the best call
Jan 05 18:52:27 <Flare576_> phone restarting now; I wasn't actually sure I could get to freenode from inside my employer's firewall
Jan 05 19:08:26 <flare576> this is a dumb question, but the logistics always stump me: easiest way to get a file off the Pre without USB mode?  I created a grep'd log file on /media/internal, but I'm sure there's a better way (I'm novacom'd now as well)
Jan 05 19:08:45 <flare576> novaterm'd, I guess is the more correct term.
Jan 05 19:10:42 <egaudet> from PC command line not novaterm'd do novacom get file:///media/internal/<file> > /path/to/save/file
Jan 05 19:13:21 <flare576> that is slick as hell
Jan 05 19:14:36 <flare576> egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/uGPCe1jZ
Jan 05 19:15:27 <flare576> I didn't capture any DBUS information prior to the phone crashing (I didn't understand what the command was for until a few minutes ago, didn't realize it was on-the-fly event capturing)
Jan 05 19:18:27 <egaudet> hmm segfaulting
Jan 05 19:18:55 <egaudet> if you can reproduce with dbus capture that will help
Jan 05 19:19:35 <flare576> I think I can :)
Jan 05 19:38:55 <flare576> hrm, why wouldn't dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.freetether >> /media/internal/freetether_dbus.txt write anything to the file?
Jan 05 19:46:47 <egaudet> it's probably writing to stderr
Jan 05 19:47:09 <egaudet> dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.freetether 2>&1 | tee /media/internal/freetether_dbus.txt
Jan 05 19:49:21 <flare576> Getting lots of oddness with the GUI's status "lights," functionality is mostly solid now and I'm having a hard time capturing output from log/dbus in novaterm...
Jan 05 20:11:19 <flare576> :/  Full test case with identical results to my first one and none of the dbus-util or tail commands wrote to file.
Jan 05 20:13:19 <destinal> flare576: I've seen sometimes dbus-util doesn't start capturing correctly
Jan 05 20:13:29 <destinal> had to start it up a couple times to get it to take
Jan 05 20:14:03 <flare576> is there a better way than trying to do "dbus-util.... >> /media/internal/dbus_out.txt" ?
Jan 05 20:15:04 <flare576> because highlighting, right click/copy doesn't seem to work either, just to capture even part of the output :(
Jan 05 20:15:26 <destinal> I think egaudet's command should have worked, did the output show up on screen but not in file?
Jan 05 20:15:50 <flare576> it showed up on screen fine: does it automatically write to a file and I just don't know where to look?
Jan 05 20:15:53 <destinal> dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.freetether 2>&1 | tee /media/internal/freetether_dbus.txt
Jan 05 20:15:58 <destinal> did you do the "tee" one?>
Jan 05 20:16:09 <flare576> no, I never saw that one
Jan 05 20:16:49 <destinal> another trick is to cd /media/internal    and then   script sessionlog
Jan 05 20:16:51 <destinal> or whatever
Jan 05 20:17:03 <destinal> than anything you type and all output goes into sessionlog
Jan 05 20:17:32 <flare576> ohh, I'll try that if the "tee" one doesn't work :)
Jan 05 20:19:24 <flare576> ok, looks like "tee" is working. I'm going to reboot the phone again to clear everything (I know, it's not windows, but it helps me mentally...)
Jan 05 20:22:05 <flare576> On the plus side, it's been behaving pretty consistently, so I'm not too concerned that I won't be able to replicate it :)
Jan 05 20:37:49 <flare576> infobot novacom get
Jan 05 20:37:59 <flare576> infobot isajerk
Jan 05 20:42:28 <flare576> yeah baby: http://webos.pastebin.com/gEvTeBEf
Jan 05 20:42:38 <flare576> Everything from launching the app to final close.
Jan 05 20:42:57 <flare576> Only took, what, 3 hours, not bad for this n00b :)
Jan 05 20:49:19 <destinal> flare576: heh, what issue was this capturing?
Jan 05 20:53:08 <egaudet> first it looks like wifi service is telling FT that ds connects, it got a lease, but then the wifi service says it's gone, then the FT service removes it but segfaults
Jan 05 20:53:29 <egaudet> ft starts back up and the laptop ocnnects, everything seems to operate fine and GUI seems to report adding it to client list
Jan 05 20:53:50 <egaudet> although type looks messed up
Jan 05 20:58:31 <egaudet> probably a race condition with the toggle off removing the interface which frees the pointer that the client list contains
Jan 05 21:00:05 <egaudet> will have to clean up the clients list properly on iface removal
Jan 05 21:01:50 <flare576> lets hope this connection lasts for a bit longer :)  was that what you were looking for, egaudet ?
Jan 05 21:03:52 <egaudet> flare576: yeah enough to find at least one bug, not sure if it's the current issue
Jan 05 21:05:40 <egaudet> the segfault causes me to miss other data in the dbus capture, but I think I know why the segfault
Jan 05 21:05:58 <flare576> I repeated those same steps at least 4 or 5 times with identical outward symptoms (only once with the captures working right, though), so if you need me to test a fix or something just let me know. I'll msg you my email if you want it :D
Jan 05 21:14:31 <egaudet> I'll have to add more debug output to service if the segfault still happens
Jan 05 22:05:11 <egaudet> ok so locally fixed some FT service bugs, at least potential bugs that may or may not be the cause of some of the issues reported
Jan 05 22:05:15 <egaudet> I will test tonight
Jan 05 22:46:33 <lingfish> I don't suppose Save/Restore captures the actual sqlite DB that holds messages?  The ONE bloody thing I didn't keep from the old phone :(
Jan 05 22:59:22 <rwhitby-pre> should've done that 'make backuo'
Jan 05 22:59:23 <rwhitby-pre> backup
Jan 05 23:33:45 <lingfish> "make backup" ?
Jan 05 23:33:54 <rwhitby> yep, in MetaDoctor
Jan 05 23:34:13 <lingfish> I didn't use metadoctor.. I used Palm's doctor, or am I missing something?
Jan 05 23:35:47 <lingfish> and I didn't doctor the old phone... only the new
Jan 05 23:35:51 <rwhitby> I thought I mentioned yesterday that you can use the "make backup" target in MetaDoctor to take a full filesystem dump of your old device
Jan 05 23:36:25 <lingfish> Hrm, don't think so or it would have reminded me to also back that up by hand instead :/
Jan 05 23:36:42 <lingfish> and yeah, as just said, no doctor touched the old pre
Jan 05 23:37:32 <lingfish> Because I'm still convinced that somehow, messages can be backed up and restored... I just need time to deep dive.  Pointless now that I've lost the db grrr.
Jan 05 23:37:40 <lingfish> Perhaps S/R should put it in its zip?
Jan 05 23:37:47 <rwhitby> "2011-01-04_Freenode.txt:18:29 rwhitby: I'd personally do a meta-doctor "make backup" too"
Jan 05 23:38:00 <lingfish> hah.
Jan 05 23:38:13 <lingfish> I figured you'd go log surfing ;)
Jan 05 23:38:36 <lingfish> I probably didn't twig on the significance of that suggestion.
Jan 05 23:38:40 <rwhitby> "grep rwhitby 2011-01-*_Freenode.txt | grep backup" :)
Jan 05 23:38:52 <lingfish> What a shit
Jan 05 23:39:17 <rwhitby> if you've still got the old device, just copy the db3 file off it
Jan 05 23:39:50 <lingfish> I do have it... but I think it wiped itself already, unless again I'm missing something and there's a dupe of it?
Jan 05 23:39:57 <lingfish> eg I launched messaging and it was blank
Jan 05 23:40:25 <rwhitby> oh, I thought I also said to remove the PalmAccountDatabase.db3 file so that it wouldn't wipe the device
Jan 05 23:41:03 <lingfish> That bit I don't recall.  Prove me wrong :/
Jan 05 23:42:26 <rwhitby> you're going to 2.0, right?  and you have the HTML file of the messages from 1.4.5 ?
Jan 05 23:42:30 <lingfish> Though I did the activation bypass...
Jan 05 23:42:33 <rwhitby> (from Save/Restore)
Jan 05 23:42:42 <lingfish> so does that avoid the wipe?
Jan 05 23:42:46 <lingfish> and yes, I have the HTML.
Jan 05 23:42:47 <rwhitby> no
Jan 05 23:43:00 <lingfish> damn.
Jan 05 23:43:16 <rwhitby> so run the HTML through some scripting language, and then work out how to insert that into the 2.0 messaging db8 database
Jan 05 23:43:35 <lingfish> yeah had considered that.
Jan 05 23:43:55 <rwhitby> e.g. write the SMS 2.0 support script for Save/Restore :)
Jan 05 23:44:19 <lingfish> I don't get how Palm still aren't just backing that up, and why nobody has succeeded in doing a SR for messaging
Jan 05 23:44:38 <lingfish> I remember diving a while back, and Palm have gone crazy with using UIDs and stuff, but still
Jan 05 23:45:03 <lingfish> Not enough doco on how the UIDs etc are generated from memory
Jan 05 23:45:07 <rwhitby> the 1.x synergy db schema was way to complex for my taste
Jan 05 23:47:41 <lingfish> Oh, its gotten better and not worse in 2?
Jan 05 23:48:01 <rwhitby> yep, 2.0 should be straight-forward to insert
Jan 05 23:48:13 <lingfish> oh wow, nice!
Jan 05 23:48:18 <lingfish> All is not lost then.
Jan 05 23:48:30 <lingfish> I believe all the MMS attachments are saved in S/R too
Jan 05 23:49:25 <rwhitby> yep
Jan 05 23:49:45 <lingfish> but blah, parsing HTML is a prick.
Jan 05 23:51:48 <lingfish> Anyhoo, you think my db3 is long gone and I shouldn't bother hunting?  What about a fs level undelete ;)
Jan 06 00:08:11 <lingfish> rwhitby ? :)
Jan 06 00:08:50 <rwhitby> lingfish: dunno
Jan 06 00:08:58 <lingfish> k
Jan 06 00:43:08 <Vince42> is it possible to make the novacom driver working without installing the whole SDK?
Jan 06 00:44:06 <ka6sox> which OS Vince?
Jan 06 00:44:13 <Vince42> win 7
Jan 06 00:44:25 <Vince42> ult 64 bit
Jan 06 00:46:31 <ka6sox> Vince42, sorry, don't know anything about the W7 version :(
Jan 06 00:49:02 <Vince42> np - thx anyway!
Jan 06 00:49:06 <Loudergood> start running the webos doctor
Jan 06 00:49:10 <Loudergood> or not..
Jan 06 01:17:20 <bhuey> freetether is working better than ever
Jan 06 01:17:22 <bhuey> thanks
Jan 06 01:17:31 <bhuey> I kind of gave up on mytether
Jan 06 01:17:40 <bhuey> was a donor for that as well
Jan 06 01:28:00 <rwhitby> heh, you mean you bought it :)
Jan 06 01:28:53 <halfhalo> Same difference
Jan 06 01:33:03 <bhuey> mytether was good for its time
Jan 06 01:33:17 <bhuey> but it's been broken for me sinc 1.4.5 as it has for others and there haven't been updates
Jan 06 01:33:25 <bhuey> orphanware basically
Jan 06 01:34:38 <halfhalo> Because the guy was a scammer basically
Jan 06 01:35:37 <bhuey> scammer probably not
Jan 06 01:35:41 <bhuey> neglectful yes
Jan 06 01:36:58 <rwhitby> let's just say that his attention to copyright details was not perfect
Jan 06 02:06:19 <destinal> he was certainly clever with the financial thing, I wonder how much money he made off mytether
Jan 06 02:07:03 <halfhalo> One bajillion dollars
Jan 06 02:08:44 <bpadalino> no wonder it's orphanware .. if i had one bajillion dollars .. i think i'd abandon it too
Jan 06 02:13:39 <destinal> bpadalino: freeTether spoils his brilliant plans for a comeback
Jan 06 02:14:03 <destinal> actually it was probably MHS + old school freetether's  ip_forward hack
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