**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 10 02:59:58 2011
Jan 10 03:53:55 <fudge_> can anyone explain to me what ##USBPASS# does
Jan 10 03:54:09 <fudge_> and what purpose does it serve
Jan 10 03:54:41 <fahhem> afaik, it's for talking to the phone's modem
Jan 10 03:54:56 <fudge_> oh
Jan 10 03:55:02 <fahhem> it enables usb passthrough
Jan 10 03:55:20 <fahhem> but i don't know what it actually does, it's more useful to phone devs, not app devs
Jan 10 03:55:23 <fudge_> i see, im still a nub with webos
Jan 10 03:55:25 <fudge_> oh
Jan 10 03:55:42 <fahhem> yeah, then don't worry about it, stick to updownupdown...
Jan 10 03:55:52 <fudge_> okay lol
Jan 10 03:56:29 <fudge_> i still wish there was a way to add/remove stuff on usb without putting the phone into usb mode
Jan 10 03:56:49 <fudge_> no more missing calls while phone is offline etc...
Jan 10 03:56:59 <fahhem> what do you mean?
Jan 10 03:57:12 <fahhem> do you mean installing apps or using it as a usb drive?
Jan 10 03:57:16 <fudge_> usb drive
Jan 10 03:57:47 <fahhem> since the usb drive sometimes has app dbs in it, it would be dangerous to run apps and have the drive available
Jan 10 03:58:12 <fudge_> i see
Jan 10 03:58:28 <fahhem> though, if you accept the dangers yourself, installing Dropbear through Preware would give you ssh access to your phone and its fs
Jan 10 03:59:08 <fahhem> and then you can mount (via ssh) /media/internal on your computer
Jan 10 04:00:00 <fudge_> eh, i dont want to do any ssh'ing anymore after the first time i tried to tether
Jan 10 04:00:18 <fudge_> was confusing, i have very small knowledge of linux
Jan 10 04:00:34 <fudge_> i did the wifi board swap, it was very well worth the money
Jan 10 04:00:40 <rwhitby> fahhem: what dangers?
Jan 10 04:01:04 <fudge_> ^
Jan 10 04:01:22 <fudge_> im curious to know too
Jan 10 04:02:06 <rwhitby> (and BTW, openssh is the recommended package from Preware, since it doesn't stop working after OTA updates where Palm overwrites /etc/passwd)
Jan 10 04:05:01 <fahhem> if you modify a database while an app is touching it too
Jan 10 04:05:38 <fahhem> you might copy it while an app hasn't written everything to disk, and therefore have a database in an invalid state
Jan 10 04:05:56 <fahhem> or you might overwrite it while an app was between transactions, causing another invalid state
Jan 10 04:06:19 <fahhem> in my experience, touching files another program is touching causes weird problems
Jan 10 04:09:19 <fudge_> what if we dont touch anything, instead just add music files to the usb drive
Jan 10 04:11:09 <fahhem> hence why you can use openssh (forget dropbear, i was wrong) to use it as a drive still
Jan 10 04:11:22 <fahhem> there might be other ways, but that's the only way i know
Jan 10 04:12:32 <rwhitby> or just use novacom put
Jan 10 04:12:46 <rwhitby> or novacom run and stream in a tar file
Jan 10 04:14:39 <fudge_> ok, i will try out openssh
Jan 10 04:14:57 <fudge_> iirc, that only works on wifi?
Jan 10 04:15:06 <fudge_> wait
Jan 10 04:15:07 <fudge_> nvm
Jan 10 04:15:23 <fahhem> it's easier over wifi since your ip is probably 192.168...
Jan 10 04:15:57 <fudge_> yeah
Jan 10 04:15:57 <fahhem> i don't know if you get the same IP over 3G or not though, so i generally only do it over wifi
Jan 10 04:16:30 <fudge_> ok thanks guys
Jan 10 04:16:33 <fudge_> im off to sleep
Jan 10 04:16:38 <fudge_> good nite
Jan 10 04:17:26 <SineOt> doing it over 3G would be slooooooooow
Jan 10 04:18:39 <fahhem> yeah, for music files you'd want speed
Jan 10 06:47:20 <Abyssul> Anyone here have a 2.0 device?
Jan 10 06:47:38 <Abyssul> Emu wont work
Jan 10 06:48:30 <ka6sox> what is Emu? other than a flightless bird.
Jan 10 06:48:51 <Abyssul> emulator? funny...
Jan 10 06:50:29 <Abyssul> I just need someone to test a keyboard combo to see if what I know is true or not.
Jan 10 06:53:39 <rwhitby> Abyssul: yes
Jan 10 06:54:05 <Abyssul> Would you mind trying the combo option key + space in a text field
Jan 10 06:54:18 <Abyssul> Preferably in the messaging app
Jan 10 06:55:15 <rwhitby> looks like it does a space
Jan 10 06:55:25 <Abyssul> Thanks :)
Jan 10 06:56:31 <oil> shocker!
Jan 10 06:57:00 <Abyssul> Not really ;)
Jan 10 06:57:18 <Abyssul> I was expecting something different
Jan 10 06:57:25 <oil> explosions!
Jan 10 06:57:43 <Abyssul> On the screen? Yes
Jan 10 06:57:51 <oil> supercowpowers!
Jan 10 06:58:04 <Abyssul> Rofl, lovely easter egg
Jan 10 07:03:47 <halfhalo> hehehe....
Jan 10 07:04:40 <Abyssul> ?
Jan 10 07:10:16 * halfhalo notices his laptop developed a new issue
Jan 10 07:11:48 <oil> time to swap it out with one of hte other 20 you got
Jan 10 07:12:13 <halfhalo> nah, gotta call for the new issue and the hinge issue
Jan 10 07:12:29 <halfhalo> onsite warrenty ftw
Jan 10 07:13:26 <rwhitby> oil: and the other 10 he got in the last couple of days
Jan 10 07:13:39 <oil> srsly
Jan 10 07:13:49 <halfhalo> Those were _tablets_ and are in the mails
Jan 10 07:14:02 <rwhitby> laptop, tablet, same thing
Jan 10 07:14:26 <rwhitby> oil: so I'm calling the "recruit a mojo code" exercise a belated success
Jan 10 07:14:32 <rwhitby> s/code/coder/
Jan 10 07:14:33 <infobot> rwhitby meant: oil: so I'm calling the "recruit a mojo coder" exercise a belated success
Jan 10 07:14:40 <oil> lol
Jan 10 09:31:57 <fahhem> heh, quiet again
Jan 10 09:32:56 <ka6sox-farfarawa> europe is sleeping, as is most of .na
Jan 10 09:42:10 <hape> Hä europe is sleeping?
Jan 10 09:42:24 <hape> I have 10:38 here in Germany
Jan 10 09:43:06 <ka6sox-farfarawa> hape, I misspoke..I guess .eu is up.
Jan 10 09:43:19 <ka6sox-farfarawa> (but maybe not wide awake)
Jan 10 09:44:00 <fahhem> the us should be asleep
Jan 10 09:44:12 <ka6sox-farfarawa> yes I should
Jan 10 09:49:55 <hape> lol
Jan 10 11:00:47 <kaans> Hi, I am having trouble setting up openssh, I followed this wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Jan 10 11:01:16 <kaans> setup worked without errors, but now I can't connect, it says "connection refused"
Jan 10 11:01:31 <kaans> I'm using ubuntu to connect
Jan 10 11:01:44 <kaans> can anybody help me with that?
Jan 10 12:11:11 <cryptk> so... I have stumbled upon the greatest internet meme ever...
Jan 10 12:11:23 <cryptk> Crowe says NO!
Jan 10 12:13:05 <cryptk> http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k637/croweno/gladiator-crowe-says-no.jpg
Jan 10 14:59:30 <RagingMind> I wish there was an app or a way to get more information out of the gps, such as what kind of lock it's managed to acquire
Jan 10 17:52:51 <ice8lue> hey guys
Jan 10 18:07:27 <destinal> ice8lue: hi
Jan 10 18:07:33 <ice8lue> hey destinal
Jan 10 19:11:14 <msd18> hello
Jan 10 19:11:20 <halfhalo> hi
Jan 10 19:12:16 <msd18> hows it going
Jan 10 19:14:17 <halfhalo> meh
Jan 10 19:15:17 <msd18> lol
Jan 10 19:18:50 <msd18> hmm who here would like to see the palm pixi duel boot txt base freebsd and webos
Jan 10 19:25:03 <geist> freebsd on a pixi, that's something
Jan 10 19:26:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> geist, indeed
Jan 10 19:27:04 <msd18> would that be somethin yall wanna see
Jan 10 19:28:00 <geist> depends on who yall is
Jan 10 19:28:09 <geist> me, no. others? maybe
Jan 10 19:28:27 <ice8lue> think that would be interesting
Jan 10 19:28:53 <msd18> well I kno I can compile any linux kernal onto armv6
Jan 10 19:29:07 <geist> freebsd != linux
Jan 10 19:29:14 <msd18> duh
Jan 10 19:29:22 <msd18> meaning I can port it
Jan 10 19:29:40 <geist> good luck. there is tons of undocumented qualcomm stuff in that cpu
Jan 10 19:32:03 <msd18> hmm
Jan 10 19:32:12 <msd18> I'll have help from SX
Jan 10 20:01:42 <ice8lue> got a strange problem with govnah (latest testing feed version, UK also)
Jan 10 20:02:12 <ice8lue> only if UberKernel Default profile is active, govnah shows the profile name
Jan 10 20:02:25 <ice8lue> all the other profiles i got show unknown
Jan 10 20:04:07 <rsanchez1> I've noticed that if your battery goes below the batt low thresh, it might show unknown as the profile
Jan 10 20:05:04 <ice8lue> mh no, not for me. my battery is ~78%
Jan 10 20:05:20 <ice8lue> batt low tresh is set to 15% i think
Jan 10 20:20:53 <PreGame> WUT UP
Jan 10 20:21:59 <destinal-work> PreGame: heya
Jan 10 20:22:06 <PreGame> hey
Jan 10 20:22:52 <PreGame> invite to the private channel plz
Jan 10 20:28:43 <destinal-work> PreGame: I would but #webos-hookers-and-blow is too cool for you  :P
Jan 10 20:29:29 <PreGame> since when did hookers become popular again? :P
Jan 10 20:29:43 <destinal-work> hookers are timeless
Jan 10 20:31:07 <oil> lol
Jan 10 20:31:21 <PreGame> soooo... i been out of the loop of the pre for awhile, got pissed at palm so kinda just stopped developing
Jan 10 20:31:23 <PreGame> whats new?
Jan 10 20:32:27 <destinal-work> PreGame: brand new freeTether in testing feed.  webos 2.0 on pre2 but I'm trying to hack it to work on pre and pre+ since Palm is dragging their feet
Jan 10 20:32:41 <destinal-work> other things I'm sure.
Jan 10 20:33:31 <PreGame> ok dear this webchat just had a seizure
Jan 10 20:33:48 <PreGame> is webos 2.0 out for the first gen pre?
Jan 10 20:33:56 <PreGame> public release i mean
Jan 10 20:34:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> no
Jan 10 20:35:07 <destinal-work> PreGame: that's what I'm doing, trying to hack the public 2.0 roadrunner (pre2) doctor into running on castle (all pre's before pre2)
Jan 10 20:36:28 <ice8lue> destinal-work: u're still working on the franken doc? any progress?
Jan 10 20:37:10 <destinal-work> ice8lue: well I stopped working on it when we heard leaks of a December release of the real thing for one of the carriers
Jan 10 20:37:23 <destinal-work> but since it's all up in the air now I started working on it again
Jan 10 20:37:36 <ice8lue> cool =) nice to hear that
Jan 10 20:38:04 <ice8lue> although i feel like the public release is closer, it's good to hear you're still on it
Jan 10 20:38:38 <ice8lue> is there any progress with luna? last state i knew of was a running kernel with 2.0 modules but luna crashing
Jan 10 20:39:03 <destinal-work> ice8lue: well, the kernel source is out and the SGX stuff is all public so I'm just trying to put those in place for the proper SGX core revision on castle
Jan 10 20:39:16 <ice8lue> okay...
Jan 10 20:40:36 <destinal-work> Luna crashes because there's no EGL display (initialized by talking to the SGX core) to be found.  I'm not sure why it seemed like such a hard wall at the time -- I think it's doable
Jan 10 20:41:06 <destinal-work> I'm a little frustrated at myself for taking the easy way out when it looked like a Palm release was a couple weeks out
Jan 10 20:41:33 <destinal-work> if I hadn't, maybe it would have been fixed weeks ago
Jan 10 20:42:04 <ice8lue> well, but if there would have been a release, it would have been nearly useless
Jan 10 20:42:21 <destinal-work> yeah, hindsight being 20/20 and all
Jan 10 20:42:36 <destinal-work> ~testing-feed
Jan 10 20:42:36 <infobot> methinks testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Jan 10 20:43:04 <destinal-work> ^ freeTether
Jan 10 20:44:03 <Loudergood> there's still the profile issue to work out..not sure how palm is going to handle that one, so don't be too hard on yourself
Jan 10 20:48:03 <destinal-work> Loudergood: eh, at least more people could be playing with 2.0.  whether they'd have palm profiles is another question entirely ;)
Jan 10 20:48:35 <destinal-work> IMO anyone who uses a frankendoctor type solution should not expect production level reliability
Jan 10 20:48:40 <destinal-work> or functionality
Jan 10 20:48:48 <Loudergood> true...just thinking about the shitstorm in the comments section on precentral from morons that don't read first though..
Jan 10 20:48:54 <Loudergood> and lots of people don't read first
Jan 10 20:49:19 <destinal-work> heh, fortunately people who don't read stuff generally can't even get metadoctor working so that'll be kind of a filter
Jan 10 20:49:26 <ice8lue> maybe a frankendoc should only be given out to ppl over this channel
Jan 10 20:49:38 <ice8lue> don't know if that's possible
Jan 10 20:49:55 <destinal-work> ice8lue: we won't be giving out built doctor images -- due to copyright it's very much build it yourself
Jan 10 20:50:05 <destinal-work> which sets a minimum bar for skill and knowledge
Jan 10 20:50:07 <Loudergood> well, someone will eventually
Jan 10 20:50:27 * Loudergood has a bad habit of seeing morons everywhere
Jan 10 20:50:39 <destinal-work> Loudergood: like sixth sense but "I see stupid people" ?
Jan 10 20:50:44 <Loudergood> yeah
Jan 10 20:50:50 <Loudergood> like the mexican guy
Jan 10 20:50:51 <ice8lue> well yes... or give out the tutorial how to do so only to selected people
Jan 10 20:51:08 <ice8lue> maybe put it into the wiki with a password protection
Jan 10 20:51:17 <Loudergood> who made the youtube videos and provided a link to a doctor
Jan 10 20:51:18 <destinal-work> ice8lue: nah
Jan 10 20:51:38 <destinal-work> ice8lue: let people shoot themselves in the foot if they want to
Jan 10 20:51:45 <ice8lue> sure
Jan 10 20:52:05 <Loudergood> heh, I like that
Jan 10 20:52:15 <ice8lue> but palm will get even more pissed if things like the mexican megahacker happen again
Jan 10 20:53:01 <ice8lue> think they already are because of all that NDA violations
Jan 10 20:53:24 <oil> they'll just lock down tighter
Jan 10 20:53:28 <destinal-work> ice8lue: yes but this won't be NDA violation
Jan 10 20:53:47 <destinal-work> ice8lue: people still shouldn't distribute and infringe copyright
Jan 10 20:54:31 <destinal-work> errands, biab
Jan 10 20:55:59 <ice8lue> let's see what will happen on 9th feb
Jan 10 20:56:30 <oil> tablet yay!
Jan 10 20:57:31 <ice8lue> yap
Jan 10 20:57:44 <rsanchez1> it pretty much has to be the tablet, or everyone will get really, really pissed
Jan 10 20:58:21 <rsanchez1> won't be the first time Palm has passed a deadline, but having hope for this, seeing how Palm was nowhere on that invite
Jan 10 20:58:49 <ice8lue> my tip: palmpad + some new devices
Jan 10 20:58:58 <ice8lue> maybe the webos printers?
Jan 10 20:59:21 <rsanchez1> I seem to remember them mentioning at dev day that enyo would be released as a developer beta at the beginning of the new year
Jan 10 20:59:21 <oil> definitely
Jan 10 20:59:27 <oil> if its not a webos printer im going to quit
Jan 10 20:59:27 <rsanchez1> 10 days into it, no enyo yet
Jan 10 20:59:27 <oil> xD
Jan 10 20:59:44 <oil> beginning of new year != january 1st
Jan 10 20:59:53 <MetaView> webos printer?
Jan 10 20:59:59 <rsanchez1> did they mean to say Q1 of new year?
Jan 10 21:00:08 <MetaView> you going to buy a webos printer?
Jan 10 21:00:10 <rsanchez1> or "in the coming months after new year"?
Jan 10 21:00:18 <MetaView> and port gba on it?
Jan 10 21:00:19 <ice8lue> ya give us enyo^
Jan 10 21:00:23 <ice8lue> xD
Jan 10 21:00:30 <rsanchez1> lol if I needed a new printer and a webOS printer was available, I would get the webOS printer
Jan 10 21:00:44 <Loudergood> if they make a wireless, laser all in one duplex with webos I'd be tempted
Jan 10 21:00:49 <rsanchez1> I guess a webOS printer would be nice for a big office
Jan 10 21:00:54 <MetaView> I will not have to program my printer too
Jan 10 21:00:55 <mikewx> If I needed a new printer..nevermind i'd just install CutePDF
Jan 10 21:01:01 <rsanchez1> when you're printing a large document, get some angry birds in while you wait
Jan 10 21:01:14 <oil> and a patch to make it report ink levels correctly :)
Jan 10 21:01:20 <ice8lue> XD
Jan 10 21:01:26 <ice8lue> +1 for that oil
Jan 10 21:01:29 <oil> lol
Jan 10 21:01:39 <rsanchez1> haha, I think my sister is signing up for a settlement for that
Jan 10 21:01:51 <halfhalo> Moo
Jan 10 21:02:01 * oil goes back to work
Jan 10 22:02:58 <ice8lue> okay, gn8 guys cu
Jan 10 22:24:57 <semprance> is there any cross-app launch info for preware?
Jan 10 22:30:11 <rwhitby> ~utsl
Jan 10 22:30:12 <infobot> methinks utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?).  Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
Jan 10 22:30:16 <rwhitby> semprance: ^^
Jan 10 22:30:34 <rwhitby> check app-assistant.js in the Preware source code
Jan 10 22:30:42 <semprance> lol i'm actually sifting through the source already
Jan 10 22:30:48 <semprance> thought it was worthing checking :-)
Jan 10 22:30:53 <semprance> ah ok
Jan 10 22:31:11 <semprance> I was looking at pkg-list-assistant and pkg-view-
Jan 10 22:31:13 <semprance> thanks
Jan 10 22:31:29 <rwhitby> what types of things are you looking for?
Jan 10 22:32:36 <semprance> I just want to open preware to a given app (From the catalog feed) for viewing.
Jan 10 22:33:32 <ka6sox> what app?
Jan 10 22:34:40 <semprance> what app do I want to open in Preware?
Jan 10 22:34:57 <semprance> whatever the user chooses. This is for my new project, App Tracker
Jan 10 22:37:01 <semprance> think I need { type: 'view', id: 'com.app.blah' }
Jan 10 23:17:26 <semprance> Error: require Failed: The scene assistant 'PkgLoadAssistant' is not defined. :-(
Jan 11 00:07:40 <semprance> I don't get it. The app-assistant tries to open a scene called pkg-load but there is no scene with that name in the sources.json
Jan 11 00:20:58 * halfhalo thinks it has to due with the service
Jan 11 00:41:23 <Tibfib> rwhitby: is backing up text-assist supported in save/restore?
Jan 11 00:41:43 <Tibfib> oh.. it's probably db8... so maybe it's backed up to the profile
Jan 11 00:45:17 <rwhitby> Tibfib: haven't examined that yet.  Should be something Impostah could show if it's in db8
Jan 11 00:46:31 <Tibfib> rwhitby: sweet, will do
Jan 11 00:46:41 <Tibfib> will check*...
Jan 11 01:01:40 <RocketSnail> hi guys could one of you answer a question?
Jan 11 01:01:56 <fahhem> what's up?
Jan 11 01:02:20 <bpadalino> yes - consider your question, answered!
Jan 11 01:02:22 <bpadalino> that was easy
Jan 11 01:02:27 <RocketSnail> lol.
Jan 11 01:03:02 <RocketSnail> but really :D- I have no access to a computer, and I need to /want to change my theme on my pre back to the default one
Jan 11 01:03:11 <RocketSnail> is this possible with just preware?
Jan 11 01:03:53 <bpadalino> i don't know anything about themes on the pre, sorry
Jan 11 01:04:18 * ka6sox loves oxymorons :D
Jan 11 01:04:32 <fahhem> you can just uninstall it, can't you?
Jan 11 01:04:37 <RocketSnail> that's alright :) sorry
Jan 11 01:04:47 <fahhem> or did you change your theme without a theme package?
Jan 11 01:04:52 <RocketSnail> that's what I wat I was thinking:p I'll try that :)
Jan 11 01:05:19 <RocketSnail> no I installed a theme with the doctor thing (i forget what that program is :p)
Jan 11 01:05:28 <rwhitby> If you've installed a single theme using Preware, and you haven't done an OTA update since, and nothing else has touched the files that the theme touches, then an uninstall of the theme package will restore it's files to stock.
Jan 11 01:05:46 <rwhitby> If you've done other than that, then all bets are off.
Jan 11 01:08:19 <RocketSnail> brb I'm going to restart pre - will report back after theme is uninstalled/i restart the pre :)
Jan 11 01:11:54 <RocketSnail> wow!  thanks a lot guys for your info and help :)
Jan 11 01:15:49 <rwhitby> RocketSnail: donations welcome at http://donate.webos-internals.org/
Jan 11 01:16:02 <RocketSnail> perfect, I'm back at the default theme and I'm at 1ghz cpu :)
Jan 11 01:20:24 <RocketSnail> I might just donate a bit ;)
Jan 11 02:26:27 <RocketSnail> ugh another q I guess :p
Jan 11 02:26:40 <RocketSnail> would any of you know a way to scroll inside of a webpage?
Jan 11 02:27:03 <ka6sox> did you touch inside it and try to scroll?
Jan 11 02:27:24 <RocketSnail> say I have a chat box made of javascript and I want to scroll up/down in the box instead of making the whole page move
Jan 11 02:27:45 <RocketSnail> oh I don't really know I'm sure I've tried,ill try now ;)
Jan 11 02:27:53 <ka6sox> kk
Jan 11 02:28:28 <RocketSnail> nope doesn't work :p when I click/touch in the box and then scroll, the whole page moves
Jan 11 02:28:58 <halfhalo> You need a scroll bar for it
Jan 11 02:28:59 <ka6sox> ya, just didn't know how that one worked.
Jan 11 02:29:00 <SineOt> what's the chat box made out of?
Jan 11 02:29:21 <SineOt> like, an iframe?
Jan 11 02:29:21 <RocketSnail> I'm very sure it's made of javascript
Jan 11 02:29:31 <RocketSnail> oh I don't know the details
Jan 11 02:29:33 <RocketSnail> wait
Jan 11 02:29:45 <SineOt> link? P:
Jan 11 02:30:54 <RocketSnail> umm have you ever heard of a website/game named 'syrnia'?
Jan 11 02:31:47 <SineOt> nupe
Jan 11 02:32:49 <RocketSnail> hmm trying to think of a different example
Jan 11 02:33:20 <halfhalo> It's a div with overflow:auto most likely
Jan 11 02:35:34 <RocketSnail> it's a table in a webpage that contains more info then the box can handle, so it has to make you scroll to see all of it
Jan 11 02:35:44 <RocketSnail> do you know what I'm talking about?
Jan 11 02:35:56 <SineOt> No
Jan 11 02:36:03 <RocketSnail> I don't know any examples :p
Jan 11 02:36:31 <SineOt> well, looking at the screen shot, it's probably a div with overflow:auto
Jan 11 02:36:38 <SineOt> so IDK
Jan 11 02:37:44 <RocketSnail> oh okay :p sorry
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