**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 11 02:59:58 2011
Jan 11 05:38:48 <rwhitby> Any Pixi users want to test 806.4 MHz overclocking UberKernel ?
Jan 11 05:56:00 * Jack87 is surprised no one is jumping on this
Jan 11 05:57:04 <RagingMind> I'm not... only because it's about sleepy time here
Jan 11 06:02:04 <msd181989> hey question
Jan 11 06:02:19 <msd181989> what would cause major lagg on my fone with 1 app running
Jan 11 06:13:01 <msd181989> any one have an idea
Jan 11 06:13:32 <egaudet> the app
Jan 11 06:14:20 <rwhitby> swap to flash
Jan 11 06:14:30 <rwhitby> browser mem leak
Jan 11 06:14:38 <rwhitby> background facebook processing
Jan 11 06:14:41 <rwhitby> take your pick
Jan 11 08:57:54 <Jack87_Bed> good night
Jan 11 10:05:29 <Hayo> Hi
Jan 11 10:05:46 <Hayo> I need help with wIRC
Jan 11 10:22:13 <Guest87096> hello?
Jan 11 10:28:04 <Hayo> Nobody here?
Jan 11 10:37:04 <Hayo> All sleeping
Jan 11 10:37:08 <Hayo> Bye bye
Jan 11 10:44:32 <Guest87096> pixie overclock?
Jan 11 10:50:07 <Guest68478> pixie overclock w/govna?
Jan 11 10:53:08 <rwhitby> yes, the pixi can be overclocked to 800MHz
Jan 11 11:56:12 <RocketSnail> would any of you know if there's a 'winterboard' for the palm pre?
Jan 11 12:08:52 <ice8lue> heyho!
Jan 11 15:26:34 <Rick_work> what's a winterboard?
Jan 11 15:26:55 <halfhalo> a cold pcb?
Jan 11 15:58:53 * halfhalo yawns as he waits the hour or so it will take his work computer to get a weeks worth of emails
Jan 11 16:05:07 <halfhalo> yay! its done!
Jan 11 16:07:12 <destinal> Rick_work: winterboard is an alternative launcher for the iPhone,  a play on their "springboard" name, there was a summerboard too..
Jan 11 18:05:28 <Brawler> whos loving the updated kernels
Jan 11 18:54:42 <ice8lue_> hey guys
Jan 11 19:06:08 <destinal> ice8lue_: hey
Jan 11 19:06:31 <halfhalo> moo
Jan 11 19:07:25 <ice8lue_> ^^
Jan 11 19:07:31 <halfhalo> :p
Jan 11 19:38:56 <ice8lue_> this is strange, can't change my nick via slash nick anymore in ubuntu xchat
Jan 11 20:36:48 <hape> do sombody know if novaterm get can get more then 1 file at once
Jan 11 20:41:26 <destinal> hape: novacom in general supports multiple simultaneous connections
Jan 11 20:41:42 <ka6sox> hape, I just create a tarfile and use nova to get that one file
Jan 11 20:45:04 <hape> that was my first idea, but my usb drive is full
Jan 11 20:45:13 <hape> so the idea was to get the files via novertem directly and tar them on the pc side
Jan 11 20:45:35 <hape> But that do not look that simple as expected ;-)
Jan 11 20:46:48 <hape> can I send a linux command , like tree, via novaterm to be executed on the pre but get the output on the pc side?
Jan 11 21:08:21 <Maracas> Hello. I have a question about webos versions in this website
Jan 11 21:08:42 <Loudergood> this is a website?
Jan 11 21:08:52 <egaudet> hape: yes
Jan 11 21:09:10 <Maracas> I hope you get the point
Jan 11 21:09:32 <egaudet> novacom run 'file:///path/to/bin opts' > localfile
Jan 11 21:09:36 <Maracas> webos internals has a section in the website that has listed the webos versions
Jan 11 21:12:08 <Loudergood> ok, so what's you're question?
Jan 11 21:12:12 <Loudergood> *your
Jan 11 21:15:33 <Loudergood> ?
Jan 11 21:23:27 <Maracas> oh, sorry,
Jan 11 21:23:37 <Maracas> the question:
Jan 11 21:25:03 <Maracas> I have a palm pre plus unlocked from ATT, with Webos 1.4.5   Is it safe to install Webos 2 from Webos Internals website? or do I have to wait until Palm releases the Webos 2 for all Pre's
Jan 11 21:25:53 <jhowirc> there is no webos 2.0 from webos internals site
Jan 11 21:27:34 <Maracas> ok, sorry, the webos doctor version
Jan 11 21:27:53 <Loudergood> that will only work on pre2s
Jan 11 21:27:56 <Maracas> from which the SO installs, or am I wrong?
Jan 11 21:28:43 <Loudergood> I'm assuming you mean the ones linked on this page? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Jan 11 21:28:48 <Maracas> so, that means me and everyone else with a pre plus have to wait for palm/hp to release the version for our phones?
Jan 11 21:29:04 <Loudergood> at this point yes
Jan 11 21:29:36 <Maracas> that is sad,  They are taking too long.  I liked it before it was bought by HP
Jan 11 21:30:50 <Loudergood> as the owner of a verizon pre plus I can only agree with you there
Jan 11 21:31:51 <Maracas> palm before was great because they thought on their users.  Now HP only worries on sales and not users
Jan 11 21:32:31 <Loudergood> I don't know about that, I do see that they're hiring like mad now, and they did fly rwhitby to NYC for dev days
Jan 11 21:33:47 <Maracas> that is only my thoughts.  well. thank you. I will just wait until they (HP/PALM) give us a little light on Webos 2
Jan 11 21:37:55 <egaudet> webOS 2.x is a very major update.  The doctors linked on webos-internals are links directly to Palm's publicly released doctors, not anything being redistributed
Jan 11 21:55:41 <raeb> stupid finicky touchstone... anybody got any tips for improving touchstone connectivity ?
Jan 11 21:57:53 <Loudergood> yes
Jan 11 21:58:09 <Loudergood> a quick and easy one too
Jan 11 21:58:18 <raeb> bite the connector ?
Jan 11 21:58:22 <Loudergood> pop the back off the phone
Jan 11 21:58:38 <Loudergood> you have a pre or pixi?
Jan 11 21:58:51 <raeb> sprint pre
Jan 11 21:59:37 <Loudergood> open it up, and next to the check mark there's two little prongs
Jan 11 22:00:03 <raeb> yep
Jan 11 22:00:03 <Loudergood> they're actually springs and contacts for the touchstone back
Jan 11 22:00:05 <raeb> yep
Jan 11 22:00:12 <Loudergood> pry them up a little bit more
Jan 11 22:00:21 <raeb> ahhhhhh
Jan 11 22:00:21 <Loudergood> gently with your fingernail
Jan 11 22:00:48 <Loudergood> worked like a charm for me
Jan 11 22:01:12 <raeb> very cool, touchstone is now charging (consistantly) and i'll keep an eye on it
Jan 11 22:01:14 <raeb> Loudergood: thanks
Jan 11 22:01:25 * Loudergood needs to make a video
Jan 11 22:01:35 <Loudergood> all those voodoo solutions
Jan 11 22:02:09 <raeb> i bit the usb connector to get a tighter connection with the wart
Jan 11 22:02:18 <raeb> that helped me from accidently unplugging it heh
Jan 11 22:03:12 <Loudergood> yeah I had a wart die on me
Jan 11 22:04:22 <raeb> hmm
Jan 11 22:04:34 <raeb> bah no luck... was charging
Jan 11 22:04:37 <raeb> then on / off / on /off
Jan 11 22:04:39 <raeb> now not charging
Jan 11 22:04:52 <Loudergood> that's how my wart died on me...
Jan 11 22:05:35 <raeb> interestingly, i pull the cable out of the back of the touchstone, plug it into phone, charges
Jan 11 22:07:59 <raeb> Loudergood: was your wart a US wart (small, fixed plug end) or a global wart (larger, detachable plug end)
Jan 11 22:08:32 <Loudergood> global
Jan 11 22:08:40 <Loudergood> I didn't know there was a fixed one
Jan 11 22:08:58 <raeb> yeah, me neither, till i ordered a few extra warts n touchstones from amazon
Jan 11 22:09:22 <Loudergood> mine was a cylinder with a USB port on it
Jan 11 22:09:33 <raeb> yeah, the US one is the same, but smaller and the plug end doesn't detach
Jan 11 22:10:39 <Loudergood> maybe mine was US
Jan 11 22:11:35 <Loudergood> it's been tossed now anyway
Jan 11 22:12:38 <raeb> hmm seems to be ok now, but i'll try another wart if more issues, thx
Jan 11 22:29:44 <robertjw> anyone know where I can find an older version of a webosdoctor image file?
Jan 11 22:33:56 <Tibfib> how old?
Jan 11 22:34:02 <robertjw> 1.2.1
Jan 11 22:34:41 <raeb> oh how awesome... govnah icon no longer appears in launcher, must launch from preware
Jan 11 22:35:11 <Tibfib> robertjw: I think you'll have to find someone with it locally. I don't think it's hosted by palm anywhere
Jan 11 22:35:47 <robertjw> I see that their older links are dead now.
Jan 11 22:36:24 <Tibfib> yeah
Jan 11 22:44:06 <raeb> hmm, avg 53 deg celcius, too hot? maybe....
Jan 11 23:04:40 <playya> does the pre really have {} on y/u on an english keyboard?
Jan 11 23:04:51 <playya> it's () on a german keyboard
Jan 11 23:06:30 <Loudergood> it's () on my US english keyboard
Jan 11 23:06:49 <destinal> raeb: your icon is.. just gone from the launcher?
Jan 11 23:07:34 <playya> Loudergood, thx
Jan 11 23:08:47 <rwhitby> destinal: 2.0.1 does that when you upgrade an app
Jan 12 00:04:51 <Roy-Pre101> Anyone around?
Jan 12 00:07:26 <Roy-Pre101> My phone's stuck in a reboot loop.  I was upgrading to the latest version of freeTether, when it seemed at the end of the installation, the phone crashed.
Jan 12 00:09:12 <SineOt> I'd try to memboot it with the uImage out of the webOS doctor for you version
Jan 12 00:09:51 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: is it a reboot loop, or a long reboot ?
Jan 12 00:10:12 <Roy-Pre101> It shows the palm image for about 60 seconds, then the image dissolves and goes black and starts again.
Jan 12 00:10:39 <Roy-Pre101> When I tried a different (dead) battery it would go back to the battery charge screen before starting again.
Jan 12 00:12:57 <Roy-Pre101> Timing it right now to see how long it actually takes before rebooting.
Jan 12 00:13:11 <Roy-Pre101> 50 seconds that time
Jan 12 00:20:27 <Roy-Pre101> SineOt: Got some more instructions on that?  I've unpacked the doctor and am rooting around but I've never done that before.
Jan 12 00:20:48 <SineOt> I think the full kernel is somewhere inside of webOS.tar
Jan 12 00:20:59 <Roy-Pre101> How exactly do I memboot it?
Jan 12 00:21:34 <SineOt> from a terminal, novacom boot mem:// < full path to the uImage you're using to boot
Jan 12 00:21:52 <SineOt> you need to have the phone in the USB recovery mode, so turn it on while holding volume up
Jan 12 00:22:04 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: that smells like a kernel boot failure
Jan 12 00:22:18 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: have you got meta-doctor set up anywhere?
Jan 12 00:22:30 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: I do not.
Jan 12 00:22:42 <rwhitby> Roy-Pre101: can you hit me up on GTalk ?
Jan 12 00:22:45 <Roy-Pre101> What are the chances that the freeTether upgrade caused the issue?
Jan 12 00:22:49 <Roy-Pre101> rwhitby: Indeed.
Jan 12 00:23:07 <rwhitby> I can't think of a failure mode where freeTether would cause that.
Jan 12 00:23:23 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: F105-158 won't boot on my wimpy dev Pre runnning 1.4.5
Jan 12 00:23:31 <uNiXpSyChO> that's odd?
Jan 12 00:23:39 <uNiXpSyChO> it uses normal voltages
Jan 12 00:24:44 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: yeah, I tried to grab the kern log, and it looked like the kernel couldn't talk to wifi, mmc and battery, so powerd did a controlled reboot as a result.
Jan 12 00:25:42 <uNiXpSyChO> did this happen once or happens all the time?
Jan 12 00:25:50 <uNiXpSyChO> F105 is also 200MHz VDD2 as well
Jan 12 00:26:00 <rwhitby> I think it's a 200MHz VDD2 thing then
Jan 12 00:26:13 <rwhitby> happens every time (well, I've doctored and tested twice)
Jan 12 00:26:21 <uNiXpSyChO> hmm.  wonder if the vdd2 voltage isnt high enough
Jan 12 00:26:39 <uNiXpSyChO> you must have a super wimpy Pre
Jan 12 00:27:32 <rwhitby> yeah, this is the super wimpy Pre I have specially for kernel testing :)
Jan 12 00:27:59 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: is there really a Govnah problem with F105, or just user error?
Jan 12 00:28:40 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: yeah Govnah hates F105...  the fields cant be changed.  like the problem it had before.  you can enter a number in a field but it doesnt Apply.
Jan 12 00:28:41 <SineOt> rwhitby: is there any real "tool" to determine how wimpy a Pre is, other than seeing if it'll boot kernel X, kernel Y, etc?
Jan 12 00:28:54 <uNiXpSyChO> also F102 since it uses the same sysfs entries
Jan 12 00:29:27 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: ah, so I can test F102 then.
Jan 12 00:29:40 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: F102 testing, right?
Jan 12 00:29:46 <uNiXpSyChO> yeah, F102 has all the same fields excpet vdd1_vsel
Jan 12 00:29:52 <uNiXpSyChO> yes, in testing feed
Jan 12 00:30:14 <uNiXpSyChO> in the screenstate-v2/ subdir sysfs
Jan 12 00:31:04 <rwhitby> can you pastebin me an ls -l of top-level and governor subdir for that case?
Jan 12 00:32:39 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: f102 1.4.5-156 ?
Jan 12 00:32:43 <uNiXpSyChO> http://pastebin.com/C3ngw2FV
Jan 12 00:32:51 <uNiXpSyChO> yep
Jan 12 00:33:18 <rwhitby> hmm - should be nothing unusual in that screenstate dir
Jan 12 00:33:50 <rwhitby> we'll have to add field types to Govnah (you should hook up with me on that whenever you add new sysfs entries, so I can get a Govnah out to match), but it should work.
Jan 12 00:34:05 <rwhitby> installing f102a-156 now
Jan 12 00:34:44 <uNiXpSyChO> i was just testing new fields...  if things worked out then i would ask for more pretty govnah features :-)
Jan 12 00:37:49 <oil> also, the exceptions
Jan 12 00:40:50 <rwhitby> ok, f102a booted on wimpy-pre
Jan 12 00:42:17 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: Govnah seems to like f102a fine - what's the issue?
Jan 12 00:42:31 <uNiXpSyChO> can you change a field value?
Jan 12 00:43:08 <rwhitby> ah, no.
Jan 12 00:43:20 <uNiXpSyChO> see :-)
Jan 12 00:44:57 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: so, you need to teach your alpha testers how to run Lumberjack :)
Jan 12 00:45:20 <rwhitby> debugging now
Jan 12 00:45:29 <uNiXpSyChO> shame on me
Jan 12 00:47:18 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: ah, I suspect the service is not allowing '-' in the governor name
Jan 12 00:47:27 <uNiXpSyChO> ah
Jan 12 00:48:06 <uNiXpSyChO> is Linus frowning at me for using a "-" in a gov name?
Jan 12 00:48:38 <rwhitby> no, my paranoid service security is
Jan 12 00:48:46 <Loudergood> lol
Jan 12 00:49:15 <rwhitby> I have a whitelist of characters that can be used, so stop people using govnah to write files anywhere in the filesystem by giving a governor name like "fooo../../../../etc/passwd"
Jan 12 00:53:37 <rwhitby> I've added '-' to the whitelist
Jan 12 00:54:03 <uNiXpSyChO> whew... i was fearing a major patch to change "-" to a "_"
Jan 12 00:54:29 <uNiXpSyChO> to screenstate
Jan 12 00:55:25 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: ok, let's add support for the new fields while I am there.
Jan 12 00:55:40 <rwhitby> what are the max and min limits for each of the new screenstate-v2 fields?
Jan 12 00:55:55 <rwhitby> alternatively, what is the list of values in the popup needed for each
Jan 12 00:57:36 <uNiXpSyChO> vdemand_factor: min:1 max:4
Jan 12 00:57:55 <uNiXpSyChO> vdemand_enable: 0 or 1 (on or off)
Jan 12 00:58:17 <uNiXpSyChO> charger_override: 0 or 1 (on or off)
Jan 12 00:58:52 <uNiXpSyChO> charger_poll_rate: min: 90 max: 9000
Jan 12 00:59:09 <uNiXpSyChO> vdemand_poll_rate: min: 90 max: 9000
Jan 12 01:00:27 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: do those poll rates match any existing field value ranges? sampling_rate?
Jan 12 01:01:04 <uNiXpSyChO> nope
Jan 12 01:02:07 <uNiXpSyChO> i suppose it could match sampling_rate ranges... let me check
Jan 12 01:04:36 <rwhitby> sampling_rates have sampling_rate_max and sampling_rate_min entries - do you have similar?
Jan 12 01:05:23 <uNiXpSyChO> was still booting...  nope, i dont have those entires
Jan 12 01:05:47 <rwhitby> so 90 and 9000 are just hard-coded magic numbers?
Jan 12 01:06:20 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: should the factors have some value labels, or are they just the integers 1 to 4?
Jan 12 01:06:29 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: we also need help text for each of these new entries
Jan 12 01:06:53 <rwhitby> (which is shown when you push the blue question mark in Govnah)
Jan 12 01:08:07 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: what granularity should be used for the poll rate popup menu to give a list of values between 90 and 9000 ?
Jan 12 01:08:56 <rwhitby> and what units do the values have?  sec? msec?
Jan 12 01:09:04 <uNiXpSyChO> the factors can be displayed something like "somewhat scaling, slightly aggressive, agressive, OMG" for 1-4 respectively.  for example.
Jan 12 01:09:40 <rwhitby> "Low", "Medium", "High", "11" ?
Jan 12 01:09:55 * halfhalo would do that
Jan 12 01:10:03 <uNiXpSyChO> why not 4="OMG?"
Jan 12 01:10:08 <uNiXpSyChO> ;-)
Jan 12 01:10:12 <rwhitby> "OMG?" it is
Jan 12 01:10:21 <rwhitby> (with the question mark, or without?)
Jan 12 01:10:25 <uNiXpSyChO> with
Jan 12 01:10:46 <uNiXpSyChO> and i' msure all users will choose "OMG?" and complain their wimpy Pre freezes.
Jan 12 01:11:06 * halfhalo votes for an option called "melted plastic"
Jan 12 01:11:21 <rwhitby> "Chuck" ?
Jan 12 01:11:28 <uNiXpSyChO> i beleive the poll rate follows the same calulation on the sampling rate.  i havent looked at the ondemand cde to be sure.
Jan 12 01:11:29 <halfhalo> Puddle O' Pre
Jan 12 01:12:02 <uNiXpSyChO> "Mr. Norris"
Jan 12 01:12:25 <rwhitby> "C.Norris"
Jan 12 01:12:36 <RMind|moof> I want card groups...
Jan 12 01:13:23 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: sampling rates seem to be like 1000000 etc
Jan 12 01:13:45 <rwhitby> values are mSec ?
Jan 12 01:14:05 <uNiXpSyChO> hmm.  maybe i'm thinking of something else.  i had the calulation somewhere.
Jan 12 01:14:11 <uNiXpSyChO> jiffies
Jan 12 01:14:22 <rwhitby> ah, jiffies.
Jan 12 01:14:38 <RMind|moof> anyone play with vpn on v2?
Jan 12 01:15:04 <rwhitby> so, 90, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000, 7000, 8000, 9000 ?
Jan 12 01:15:14 <uNiXpSyChO> sounds good
Jan 12 01:15:33 <destinal> RMind|moof: I haven't had a need to VPN from my pre2, but it looks cool
Jan 12 01:16:25 <destinal> considering vpnc has been part of webos since the 1.0.x days, it's about time palm made an app that uses it :)
Jan 12 01:16:48 * halfhalo thinks he finangled this mode number frigger in node
Jan 12 01:18:44 <RMind|moof> destinal, just wondering what it's compatible with
Jan 12 01:19:32 <RMind|moof> when I'm at a full computer I'll look into it
Jan 12 01:21:23 <destinal> RMind|moof: I think it's basically cisco, either IPSEC on SSL
Jan 12 01:21:42 <destinal> err IPSEC *or* SSL
Jan 12 01:22:43 <rwhitby> it is really cisco SSL ?
Jan 12 01:22:47 <RMind|moof> I had ipsec running few years ago, but wow it was a pain in the ass
Jan 12 01:22:58 <uNiXpSyChO> cisco NAT-T
Jan 12 01:24:21 <RMind|moof> how does it play with openvpn if at all?
Jan 12 01:25:27 <rwhitby> it does not
Jan 12 01:25:41 <RMind|moof> boo  :(
Jan 12 01:25:44 <rwhitby> I would pay for such support
Jan 12 01:26:24 <RMind|moof> I want to set up a vpn into my home network that I can use with my laptop too
Jan 12 01:27:16 <RMind|moof> and potentially connect to a friend's network and I'm sure he's using open vpn
Jan 12 01:29:01 <RMind|moof> how hard is it to put a gui together that controls an already fully functional daemon?
Jan 12 01:29:07 <PuffTheMagic> vpnc ftw
Jan 12 01:30:32 <RMind|moof> new battery ftw ;)
Jan 12 01:32:55 <PuffTheMagic> my brother is getting pre #10 from sprint tomorrow
Jan 12 01:33:21 <SineOt> further evidence of Pixi supremacy?
Jan 12 01:34:39 <PuffTheMagic> SineOt, u bet
Jan 12 01:34:47 <PuffTheMagic> he got #9 this morning
Jan 12 01:34:56 <PuffTheMagic> and it came with a broken volume up
Jan 12 01:35:14 <PuffTheMagic> so in he goes tomorrow for  #10
Jan 12 01:39:57 <RMind|moof> I'm still on my first Prē
Jan 12 01:40:17 <RMind|moof> coming up on one year  :)
Jan 12 01:42:05 <SineOt> I'm on my second Pixi since... I type too much on it. :C
Jan 12 01:42:18 <chrisa> Remember when it was considered abnormal for a device to stop working in such a short period of time?
Jan 12 01:42:23 <chrisa> poor sprint pres
Jan 12 01:42:25 <halfhalo> no
Jan 12 01:43:26 <bpadalino> i do .. i am hoping my launch pre can hold up until summer time ..
Jan 12 01:43:42 <bpadalino> i had my previous phone for 3 years with very little wear :(
Jan 12 01:44:08 <bpadalino> current pre has a little crack in the bottom left that's getting bigger, and bigger
Jan 12 01:44:40 * halfhalo still has a launch day pre
Jan 12 01:45:10 * SineOt ponders if a CA would stop a crack.
Jan 12 01:45:31 <bpadalino> certificate authority ?
Jan 12 01:45:44 <SineOt> er, cyanoacrylate
Jan 12 01:46:00 <bpadalino> ah
Jan 12 01:46:15 <SineOt> Glue from hell basically if you aren't paying attention. Bonds skin like... Instantly.
Jan 12 01:47:15 <oil> "oh, let me get some eyedrops..."
Jan 12 01:47:29 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 12 01:47:41 <SineOt> Ahaha. I never knew you could light cotton on fire with it.
Jan 12 01:47:46 <halfhalo> ???
Jan 12 01:48:36 <SineOt> Too much CA + cotton = exothermic reaction = lots of heat and if you use enough CA on a cotton ball, flames
Jan 12 01:48:58 <halfhalo> nice
Jan 12 01:50:07 <RMind|moof> sounds like nitrocellulos(sp)
Jan 12 01:50:26 <RMind|moof> spell check would be awesome
Jan 12 01:51:31 <SineOt> http://www.supergluecorp.com/zap/zap-glues/plasti-zap < something like this.
Jan 12 01:51:42 <SineOt> Their plain CA+ fogs some plastics.
Jan 12 01:52:40 <oil> oh noes, fogging
Jan 12 01:52:47 <halfhalo> !!
Jan 12 01:53:45 <SineOt> gotta be picky 'bout your plastics bro :C
Jan 12 01:55:12 * oil buys one to fix broken toy on his desk
Jan 12 01:57:46 <oil> dont want my plastic to fog up
Jan 12 01:57:53 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 12 01:59:58 <halfhalo> why am i watching this crap...
Jan 12 02:02:28 <SineOt> pffft, when you're gluing clear plastics fogging looks terrrrrrible
Jan 12 02:03:01 <oil> its not clear
Jan 12 02:03:02 <oil> its blue
Jan 12 02:03:31 <oil> the handle broke off the shield inside the "hand hole"
Jan 12 02:03:35 <oil> lol
Jan 12 02:20:11 * halfhalo is being lazy and not sending an email and coding instead
Jan 12 02:27:39 <RMind|moof> I have too much free time... I should pick up programming again
Jan 12 02:27:54 * halfhalo is just lazy
Jan 12 02:28:01 <RMind|moof> any suggestion for learning c and javascript?
Jan 12 02:29:11 <bpadalino> just do it
Jan 12 02:29:25 <halfhalo> thats what she said
Jan 12 02:29:38 * rick-nook is too easily distracted to program tonight.  I work for a few minutes and then just stare at the screen.
Jan 12 02:30:06 * halfhalo is watching the green hornet on tv while programming
Jan 12 02:31:21 <bpadalino> off to the fridge to grab a beer
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