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Jan 12 03:59:57 <destinal> Sony files for temporary restraining order,  is suing the hackers who recovered the PS3 keys -- http://www.geohot.com/   -- This is why DMCA is evil, these guys were just trying to run Linux on hardware they bought after Sony deliberately took away the capability post-purchase
Jan 12 04:01:08 <bpadalino> i really hate how geohot gets credit for the stuff failoverflow did .. those guys did some spectacular work
Jan 12 04:01:33 <destinal> bpadalino: yeah.  well, they're getting sued equally, alas
Jan 12 04:01:48 <bpadalino> i agree the DMCA is terrible .. but it's a temporary restraining order
Jan 12 04:01:48 <SineOt> it's media reporting in the end, and geohot is a big name from his iPhone stuff
Jan 12 04:02:02 <SineOt> if someone "big name" is even tangentially tied to a story it's safe to say they'll end up mentioned
Jan 12 04:02:04 <destinal> I watched failoverflow's preso, their work was really awesome
Jan 12 04:02:34 <bpadalino> from reading the TRO, it sounds like sony is trying to say "They used a computer to get around our stuff.  People use computers to pirate stuff.  Piracy!!!"
Jan 12 04:02:55 <halfhalo> next up, sony sues everyone with a computer
Jan 12 04:02:56 <bpadalino> i would be surprised if any sane judge makes that connection
Jan 12 04:03:04 <destinal> bpadalino: yeah, and they illegally accessed the PS3 etc..
Jan 12 04:03:23 <destinal> even  the DMCA doesn't go that far
Jan 12 04:03:28 <bpadalino> right - i think it's sony pulling for straws ..
Jan 12 04:04:02 <bpadalino> and the failoverflow guys can hide behind academic pursuit and running linux on a system they had bought
Jan 12 04:04:17 <bpadalino> then again, the failoverflow guys are not in the US - and are in belgium i believe, right ?
Jan 12 04:04:18 <destinal> bpadalino: still, technically they're criminals.
Jan 12 04:04:22 <SineOt> that's probably why they're filing for a restraining order, and not filing for anything like actual copyright infringement
Jan 12 04:04:26 <destinal> if they did it in US
Jan 12 04:05:19 <destinal> the law states that circumventing a technological protection measure used to protect copyrighted work is a crime, whether or not they were doing it with the PURPOSE of violating copyright
Jan 12 04:05:53 <bpadalino> i agree the law is poorly worded, and sony could xor their data with 0xdeadbeef and call it a protection measure
Jan 12 04:06:02 <bpadalino> which is absurd
Jan 12 04:06:14 <destinal> bpadalino: you even saying that was what they xor'd it with would be criminal
Jan 12 04:06:50 <halfhalo> TO THE TIP HOTLINE!
Jan 12 04:07:01 <bpadalino> agreed - absurd .. luckily they are also students and can claim they did it for academic purposes, which is still protected legally
Jan 12 04:25:47 <rick-nook> And it's the act of doing the reversing not distributing it thats unlawful
Jan 12 04:28:14 <destinal> rick-nook: both actually I think
Jan 12 04:29:09 <destinal> actually making the thing run your code is circumvention and then telling people how you do it is trafficking in a circumvention device
Jan 12 04:29:32 <destinal> or something in the same section
Jan 12 04:30:27 <destinal> thank the gods for things like palm pre and nook color where you can just run your own software and not have to deal with DMCA
Jan 12 04:31:55 <tmandry> why is Govnah only giving me the option of 16MB compcache?
Jan 12 04:34:27 <tmandry> aha
Jan 12 04:38:32 <tmandry> question: does the swap indicator in govnah include compcache??
Jan 12 05:39:39 <ka6sox> tmandry, yes, if its enabled
Jan 12 06:44:11 <RWings19> rwhitby - are you around, perchance?
Jan 12 06:45:03 <ka6sox> thats a great underused word...perchance
Jan 12 06:45:38 <rwhitby> RWings19: forsooth, I am.
Jan 12 06:46:20 <RWings19> Rod, I was wondering if perhaps I could contact you outside this channel (perhaps via email) with some brief questions pertaining to the NSLU2 device, since you are well-versed in it
Jan 12 06:46:59 <ka6sox> RWings19, I would call that very accurate :D
Jan 12 06:47:11 <ka6sox> ~dict forsooth
Jan 12 06:47:15 <infobot> Dictionary 'forsooth' (1 of 5): absolutely, actually, and no mistake, assuredly, at all events, at any rate, by all means, certainly, clearly, decidedly, decisively, definitely, distinctly, factually, for a certainty, for a fact, for certain, for sure, historically, in fact, in reality, in truth, in very sooth, indeed, indeedy, most assuredly, most certainly, nothing else but, of a truth, of course, positively, really, really-truly, surely, to a ...
Jan 12 06:48:48 <rwhitby> RWings19: just /msg me here if you so yearn
Jan 12 06:50:40 * halfhalo runs away from big words
Jan 12 11:29:48 <ice8lue> hey guys
Jan 12 11:32:25 <ice8lue> will there be screenstate-v2 in uberkernel in the near future?
Jan 12 12:40:24 <rwhitby> ice8lue: since it's only just started alpha testing, how do you even know whether it is an improvement on -v1 or not?
Jan 12 12:41:18 <ice8lue> rwhitby: i don't, just read about it a bit and saw it was in the...harrior kernel i think?
Jan 12 12:42:15 <rwhitby> well, the way these things work is that brand new experiments (like screenstate-v2) are tested in the experimental kernels first, and then if the results are clearly positive with no bad side effects then they are ported to uberkernel
Jan 12 12:43:31 <ice8lue> would like to test it but i don't trust these bleeding edge kernels that much ;)
Jan 12 12:45:25 <ice8lue> something different... i'm now using ubuntu 10.10 on my netbook and just installed novacom
Jan 12 12:45:51 <ice8lue> if i connect the pre via usb and choose charge only, it 'touches itself'
Jan 12 12:46:08 <ice8lue> windows pop up, close, move arround, menus open and close...
Jan 12 13:09:09 <cryptk> ice8lue, that's odd... never heard of that one...
Jan 12 13:09:40 <ice8lue> me too...
Jan 12 13:10:11 <ice8lue> i don't even have to do anything on pc side. just plug in the cable and my pre freaks out... it doesn't do so on win
Jan 12 13:10:16 <cryptk> ice8lue, an option for testing the bleeding edge kernels while still maintaining the ability to save your phone if the kernel doesn't work... have you heard of membooting?
Jan 12 13:10:38 <cryptk> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot
Jan 12 13:10:40 <ice8lue> yes but didn't do so before
Jan 12 13:11:18 <cryptk> you can boot the phone into recovery mode, then memboot the bleeding edge kernel.. then you will be running that kernel until you reboot the phone
Jan 12 13:11:44 <cryptk> or you can have a backup copy of the stock kernel on your PC... install the testing kernel, if something go's wrong, memboot the stock one and uninstall the testing one
Jan 12 13:11:58 <ice8lue> cool, will try that
Jan 12 13:12:04 <ice8lue> thx cryptk
Jan 12 13:12:05 <cryptk> granted that won't save you from things like testing a kernel that overclocks to 5GHZ and melting the phone
Jan 12 13:12:34 <cryptk> but if it is just a bug in the kernel that causes the phone to hang/reboot/etc, it will save ya there
Jan 12 13:13:26 * ice8lue notes one thing to his never-do-so-list: install a custom kernel with 5GHz OC option ;)
Jan 12 13:14:05 <ice8lue> i think also 1GHz is a little heavy...that's 200% of the original clock rate...^
Jan 12 13:14:40 <cryptk> technically it isn't quite 200%... stock clock speed for the processor in the Pre is 600MHz
Jan 12 13:15:01 <ice8lue> well yes
Jan 12 13:15:05 <cryptk> Palm downclocked it to 500... except for PDK games
Jan 12 13:15:17 <cryptk> that said, my Pre- ran great all day every day at 1GHz
Jan 12 13:15:45 <ice8lue> i tried it for one week and mine did too
Jan 12 13:15:48 <cryptk> ran screenstate governor set to 500/1000 with compcache and anticipatory IO scheduling... phone ran amazing
Jan 12 13:16:01 <cryptk> did it on my phone for months
Jan 12 13:16:05 <ice8lue> what is that IO sheduling?
Jan 12 13:16:46 <cryptk> that controls how the OS handles reading and writing to the disk (flash).  biggest impact is with the writes (because those typically take longer)
Jan 12 13:19:01 <ice8lue> ah okay...help page says anticipatory is reported to be a little faster...will try around a bit on that
Jan 12 13:20:10 <ice8lue> which TCP Congestion setting do you recommend?
Jan 12 13:20:59 <cryptk> leave it stock, not gonna see much of a difference there with the little bandwidth that a non-4G phone has
Jan 12 13:21:24 <ice8lue> okay^^
Jan 12 13:22:32 <ice8lue> i'm just impressed on how much improvements in battery life the lower voltages can bring
Jan 12 13:22:36 <cryptk> http://rkrh.kr/11y
Jan 12 13:22:38 <cryptk> WOOT!
Jan 12 13:23:51 <cryptk> (I work for Rackspace, hence why I am excited about that)
Jan 12 13:24:32 <ice8lue> ^^ah now that makes sence
Jan 12 14:57:11 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, ping
Jan 12 15:01:00 <Loudergood> wow..ebay prices for pres have dropped
Jan 12 15:01:25 <ice8lue> really? not over here...
Jan 12 15:04:25 <PuffTheMagic> holy shit this asus mobo has a uefi bios
Jan 12 15:04:31 <PuffTheMagic> its graphical and has mouse support
Jan 12 15:21:25 <semprance> is there an easy way to query a service to find out what methods it has?
Jan 12 15:22:06 <semprance> eg. palm://com.palm.servicename/listmethods
Jan 12 15:24:07 <halfhalo> PuffTheMagic: gimme a few
Jan 12 15:24:43 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, i will just send what i needed to say to PM and u can deal with it when u get a chance
Jan 12 15:24:53 <halfhalo> kk
Jan 12 16:02:43 * halfhalo yawns and attempts to sleep under his desk
Jan 12 16:04:17 * halfhalo has a very comfy area under his desk :p
Jan 12 16:48:58 <PuffTheMagic> anyone good a trig in here?
Jan 12 16:49:10 <PuffTheMagic> and/or geometry
Jan 12 16:54:22 <RagingMind> PuffTheMagic, yeah?
Jan 12 16:58:35 <PuffTheMagic> i could construct this with a compass and ruler but i am rusty and cant do it on a computer...
Jan 12 16:58:37 <PuffTheMagic> http://www.bem.fi/book/13/13x/1302cx.gif
Jan 12 16:58:50 <PuffTheMagic> I need to figure out the polar coord of P3
Jan 12 16:58:53 <PuffTheMagic> in that figure
Jan 12 16:59:09 <PuffTheMagic> basically the intersection of 2 arcs
Jan 12 17:02:03 <RagingMind> do you have functions that describe the two arcs?
Jan 12 17:02:35 <RagingMind> or is this just a locate-once thing that you just need to get raw numbers from?
Jan 12 17:03:01 <PuffTheMagic> ok they are more like beziers than arcs
Jan 12 17:03:16 <PuffTheMagic> i know the ratio that separates some of the points
Jan 12 17:04:07 <PuffTheMagic> like C3 and CZ are 20% of 180
Jan 12 17:04:20 <PuffTheMagic> so 36 deg
Jan 12 17:04:55 <PuffTheMagic> O1 and OZ are 18 deg apart
Jan 12 17:06:10 <RagingMind> if you extend the arc that C3 and P3 are on a bit more would they intersect Nz and Iz?
Jan 12 17:07:14 <PuffTheMagic> ya i think so
Jan 12 17:07:15 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vNnlqdQ
Jan 12 17:07:21 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ here is my recreation so far
Jan 12 17:07:48 <PuffTheMagic> im trying to make a TiKz version of this
Jan 12 17:08:50 <RagingMind> what did you use to locate T5 and T6?
Jan 12 17:10:16 <RagingMind> and I'm assuming they correlate to P7 and P8
Jan 12 17:10:25 <PuffTheMagic> starting from 270 deg...
Jan 12 17:10:32 <PuffTheMagic> they are + 30%
Jan 12 17:10:36 <PuffTheMagic> and - 30%
Jan 12 17:10:46 <PuffTheMagic> 54 deg
Jan 12 17:13:58 <RagingMind> measured around that slightly inner circle?  where'd you measure from to get 36deg between C3 and Cz?
Jan 12 17:14:06 <RagingMind> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wulffnet.svg
Jan 12 17:15:07 <PuffTheMagic> the outer circle
Jan 12 17:15:13 <RagingMind> I might be over thinking this, but instead of my trig classes... what's coming to mind is the classes I took in structural geology and having to project intersecting planes onto a stereonet
Jan 12 17:15:59 <PuffTheMagic> ya that is what i need, i just dont know how to construct that
Jan 12 17:16:29 <RagingMind> most of the lines that the points fall on look like they can be described as the intersection of a plane with a sphere
Jan 12 17:16:30 <PuffTheMagic> ahh there is a link
Jan 12 17:16:31 <PuffTheMagic> thanks
Jan 12 17:19:55 <RagingMind> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereographic_projection
Jan 12 17:20:06 <RagingMind> just in case ya hadn't gotten to that part yet
Jan 12 18:10:36 <PuffTheMagic> RagingMind, i cant figure out where to start with this
Jan 12 18:15:39 <RagingMind> doing it on paper would be easy, but actually calculating it out would require quite a bit more with the way I'm thinking
Jan 12 18:15:48 <RagingMind> there's probably an easier way, heh
Jan 12 18:34:14 <Loudergood> sounds like you guys need to find the right tools
Jan 12 18:36:38 <RagingMind> I'm used to doing projections of sediment layers so my brain is kinda stuck on that
Jan 12 18:48:00 <PuffTheMagic> Loudergood, right tools?
Jan 12 18:48:12 <PuffTheMagic> im trying to make this diagram in latex/tikz
Jan 12 18:49:30 <Loudergood> I'm just saying that you know how to do it one way, but not another because you can't use the same tools
Jan 12 18:49:44 <RagingMind> PuffTheMagic, how exact does it have to be?
Jan 12 19:25:58 <PuffTheMagic> RagingMind, it dont have to be exact i could fudge it, but im trying to do it right
Jan 12 19:29:57 <RagingMind> how do you describe the location of the points in latex?
Jan 12 19:32:55 <PuffTheMagic> RagingMind, im using polar but i can use Cartesian
Jan 12 19:33:05 <PuffTheMagic> guess i should create a table
Jan 12 19:33:13 <PuffTheMagic> of spherical coords
Jan 12 19:33:22 <PuffTheMagic> then use the equations to convert into x,y
Jan 12 19:36:00 <PuffTheMagic> ehh i still cant do that
Jan 12 20:17:24 <sethron> hi. I'm running Govnah 0.7.13 with the stable f102a delta dagger kernel on a sprint pre 1.4.5. Govnah displays this kernel as (Unknown) http://www.flickr.com/photos/staar23/5349761334/
Jan 12 21:46:48 <rwhitby> sethron: thanks - does it do it every time you start Govnah, or is it intermittent?
Jan 12 21:49:46 <sethron> rwhitby: shucks, I just switched to F102A v1.4.5-156. Now, Govnah v0.7.13 displays (F102A). The profile is 'Unknown'. But when I had the stable F102A, it displayed every time.
Jan 12 21:50:25 <rwhitby> weird
Jan 12 21:51:36 <sethron> does it read the setting file? because I think delta dagger does not use it? I can pastebin my Govnah Generate Email...
Jan 12 21:52:09 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, nice win7 fits on a 4gig thumbdrive
Jan 12 21:52:17 <halfhalo> yupyup
Jan 12 21:52:25 <halfhalo> faster install as well
Jan 12 21:52:35 <sethron> http://webos.pastebin.com/SuKfU62Z
Jan 12 21:53:39 <rwhitby> sethron: ah, I know what the problem is
Jan 12 21:54:18 <rwhitby> the appid for the stable f102a kernel seems to be different from the testing feed one
Jan 12 21:55:45 <sethron> psycho
Jan 12 21:56:39 <rwhitby> sethron: will be fixed in next release
Jan 12 21:58:11 <sethron> in the mean time, i'd be happy to test F102A v1.4.5-156. Is it normal for the profile to display as Unknown?
Jan 12 22:01:30 <MetaView> Do I need to run Govnah to have the settings active?
Jan 12 22:07:18 <rwhitby> no
Jan 12 22:08:50 <MetaView> ok, thx
Jan 12 22:09:01 <MetaView> never was sure
Jan 12 23:29:10 <signat> hi 0
Jan 12 23:29:21 <fahhem> hi 1
Jan 12 23:30:32 <halfhalo> interesting... js regex dot does not match new lines....
Jan 12 23:31:10 <fahhem> no, regex is usually single-line
Jan 12 23:31:25 <fahhem> maybe there's a multi-line version that changes the behavior of dots?
Jan 12 23:31:34 <halfhalo> well, it offers no flag to make it like most other languages
Jan 12 23:33:08 * halfhalo debates using this as an excuse to fork his regex stuff into a seperate module and making it use the fancy pants string thing he likes so much
Jan 12 23:34:51 <halfhalo> Its shiny, and I can wrap it all up and hide it
Jan 12 23:36:12 <fahhem> ooo, sounds nice
Jan 12 23:40:21 * halfhalo goes to figure out how it would work with the features he needs now
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