**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 15 03:00:01 2011 Jan 15 03:00:07 well actually a pre2 works just fine on AT&T ;) Jan 15 03:00:26 I don't have money for a Pre 2 Jan 15 03:00:49 that's the downside there Jan 15 03:01:01 Yeah... Jan 15 03:01:10 pixis and pres are getting cheap on ebay now though Jan 15 03:01:35 They are... But I really don't feel like getting into a bidding war... Jan 15 03:01:53 I have to go pick my mom... Be back in 20 minutes. Jan 15 03:10:38 preware is awesome Jan 15 03:11:03 lol Jan 15 03:11:14 yes it is. Jan 15 03:28:34 Back Jan 15 03:29:23 Anyone want to switch a Pixi Plus for a GSM Pre Plus? LOL I will give you 50 USD! Sorry..... Xp Jan 15 03:30:25 hola ! Jan 15 03:30:53 Alright, so... When I finish downloading both Java and the doctor, I should be good? Jan 15 03:30:56 Hye Jan 15 03:30:59 Hey* Jan 15 03:31:42 anyone here used Unison with a webOS device? (It's in the ipkg-opt repository) Jan 15 03:32:02 Minchkin: you'll need your phone in a doctorable state Jan 15 03:32:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Jan 15 03:40:45 Oh gee... Lol. Jan 15 03:41:05 i wonder what the work is on drBattery and zcorder for webOS 2.x Jan 15 03:41:23 Minchkin: it's pretty easy really Jan 15 03:42:07 powering it off with the USB plugged in, and then holding volume up and powering it on. That's the hardest part Jan 15 03:43:11 I know. LOL Jan 15 03:43:44 I did it earlier. Then I had to UN-do it because I had to use it... Getting angry IMs from family. Jan 15 03:55:33 are there directions for how to add to webOS-internals github? Jan 15 04:03:46 What's a github? Jan 15 04:07:23 Anyways, Java is doneskeys... Jan 15 04:08:23 And do I still need the SDK? Jan 15 04:10:44 Minchkin: it's a repository for files Jan 15 04:11:34 Oh. Like... What kind of files? Jan 15 04:15:19 Minchkin: any, but usually used in source control. (a la cvs, rcs, subversion) very popular in the open source community, the Linux [kernel] even uses it these days Jan 15 04:15:38 oh wait, it was created by Linus, haha Jan 15 04:35:01 having trouble thinking of what to name dkGoogleVoice as an open source project Jan 15 04:35:22 i'm thinking that it could potentially be the webOS, all-purpose dialler Jan 15 04:35:51 that it could call out using twilio, vonage, google voice, whatever.. Jan 15 05:11:19 Gobble? Jan 15 05:13:57 Minchkin: ? Jan 15 05:14:35 Minchkin: if you have dev mode on you don't need to do volume up recovery Jan 15 05:14:51 Oh... It could call OUT. lol I thought you were asking what to name it. Downloading SDK now. Jan 15 05:15:18 Destinal: What should I do then? Because dev-mode is active. Jan 15 05:15:33 Minchkin: have you installed all the sdk stuff yet? Jan 15 05:15:49 if you have you should be able to run novaterm with the device plugged into usb and get a shell Jan 15 05:15:56 No. It is still downloading. My internet connection is 30 kb/s Jan 15 05:16:07 Minchkin: ah Jan 15 05:16:15 Minchkin: you don't technically need all the SDK stuff Jan 15 05:16:21 So 200 Mb is going to take a while... Jan 15 05:16:26 AAWWW!!! Jan 15 05:16:32 just Sun java 1.6 and novacom drivers Jan 15 05:16:38 Ok. Well, then what now? Jan 15 05:16:49 well, install sun java 6 and novacom drivers :) Jan 15 05:16:56 after that try running novaterm Jan 15 05:17:38 Novaterm? Jan 15 05:17:41 ??? Jan 15 05:17:50 Minchkin: on the SDK page is the novacom drivers Jan 15 05:18:05 Ok? Do I need to activate them in terminal? Jan 15 05:18:07 it's a separate download from the SDK itself Jan 15 05:18:21 and there are instructions on the page on how to install novacom package Jan 15 05:18:33 I got those. The .jar started up. YAY! Lol Jan 15 05:18:37 wait Jan 15 05:18:40 Now I must find that USB. Jan 15 05:18:50 *stopped* Jan 15 05:18:51 Minchkin: first, close the doctor Jan 15 05:18:58 then plug in USB and try "novaterm" Jan 15 05:19:01 from a terminal Jan 15 05:19:06 Dr. Who gone Jan 15 05:19:13 Novaterm? Jan 15 05:19:22 yeah just type novaterm Jan 15 05:19:24 all by itself Jan 15 05:19:27 hit enter Jan 15 05:19:45 at a linux shell? like from a terminal program? Jan 15 05:20:12 this is to test that the drivers are set up and working properly Jan 15 05:20:42 because the doctor will start even without them but fail later Jan 15 05:20:44 Into the device Jan 15 05:20:55 Got it. Next I... :) Jan 15 05:21:08 Minchkin: ok you got a shell on the device? Jan 15 05:21:13 you can just hit exit to leave that Jan 15 05:21:14 Yes Jan 15 05:21:16 err type exit Jan 15 05:21:18 oh Jan 15 05:21:23 just making sure Jan 15 05:21:28 you're good to run doctor now Jan 15 05:21:30 Ok Jan 15 05:21:32 YAY! Jan 15 05:22:06 obviously you'll have to reinstall preware and all that after you redoctor Jan 15 05:22:43 Yeah... I only need preware for wIRC and Music Remix. Jan 15 05:23:10 Meeeeehhh.......................... And possibly a few more patches. Jan 15 05:23:12 Minchkin: how'd you install them before? because we usually recommend downloading the sdk and running palm-install which is a command that comes in the sdk Jan 15 05:23:33 I guess you could use webos quick install with your doctor jar though Jan 15 05:24:14 This laptop was running Windows Vista, so I used the .exe file... But then this thing crashed... Hard. Jan 15 05:24:57 ah. yeah, since your connection is so slow and you already have a doctor jar, probably webos quick install is easiest Jan 15 05:24:57 So I am running Ubuntu until we get Windows back Jan 15 05:25:09 Ya... Possibly Jan 15 05:25:27 My server ping is 0.4 seconds too... Jan 15 05:25:30 eew. Jan 15 05:25:38 or you can just finish downloading the SDK and use palm-install when it's done Jan 15 05:25:42 doctor will take a while anyway Jan 15 05:26:13 well, not as long as your connection is slow, but eventually you could use SDK :) Jan 15 05:27:36 AAAAGGGHH!!!!!!!!! *gurggle* Jan 15 05:27:56 Minchkin: yeah I'd probably just grab webos quick install, google should find it Jan 15 05:28:04 Ok Jan 15 05:28:14 30 kb/s is way too slow Jan 15 05:28:22 webos quick install no longer downloads the doctor as part of its setup process? Jan 15 05:28:35 rick-home: can't you feed it a doctor jar on the disk? Jan 15 05:28:47 yes, you can if you have one. Jan 15 05:28:54 rick-home: he's got one Jan 15 05:28:59 kk Jan 15 05:29:14 I got one? Jan 15 05:30:46 They have a lot of new threads Jan 15 05:31:25 OMG! 4 times I had to click on a link that said "New Thread here!" Jan 15 05:33:24 Do you two write any coding? Jan 15 05:35:45 destinal: Do you write any apps? Jan 15 05:41:19 yes, he does and so do I. Jan 15 05:41:25 but it's not our FAVORITE thing. Jan 15 05:41:36 so no unison users here? Jan 15 05:41:42 well i'll ask another day, all from me for now! Jan 15 05:41:43 what IS your favorite thing? Jan 15 05:41:46 What is your FAVORITE thing? Jan 15 05:41:55 Jinx! Jan 15 05:41:55 is it... KEGGERS?! Jan 15 05:41:59 "these are a few of our favorite things" Jan 15 05:42:28 ? Jan 15 05:43:04 my favorite thing is teaching OTHER people how to do cool things, and then watching them do stuff I'm not patient enough for. Watching the student surpass the teacher is always the most fun. Jan 15 05:44:03 That is fun. But it would begin to annoy me that they could do what I taught them better than me... Jan 15 05:44:10 But that is me. Jan 15 05:44:17 Minchkin: I've contributed to a few things, the webos-internals terminal app for one Jan 15 05:44:24 Anyways. Jan 15 05:44:26 NO WAY! Jan 15 05:44:42 EPIC! I THANK YOU FOR THAT APP! Jan 15 05:45:21 Minchkin: you're welcome. there were a few other very significant developers on that project too, sadly they seem to have moved on to other platforms or at least don't hang out in IRC anymore Jan 15 05:46:24 Aww... But I would like to learn how to code. So that I could have a hobby other than looking at other peoples apps... Jan 15 05:47:06 Minchkin: a good goal Jan 15 05:47:59 Minchkin: I've seen a few very good intro to programming books lately. for some reason most of them seem to use Python for the introductory language Jan 15 05:48:18 Minchkin: You picked a nice OS to start with! Jan 15 05:48:26 I looked into C# Jan 15 05:48:28 It's surprisingly easy to get up to speed on Jan 15 05:48:37 Minchkin: for webOS you more want to know Javascript and the mojo framework Jan 15 05:48:41 But that was just..... BLERGH! I may try again Jan 15 05:48:56 Ok. Where can I begin to study? Jan 15 05:49:20 SineOt: you probably have a better answer than I would Jan 15 05:49:47 Devwloper.palm.com Jan 15 05:49:55 There is a W? Jan 15 05:49:59 Lol. Ok Jan 15 05:50:00 Well, webos101.com has a lot of good stuff, especially in the code snippits bit. The developer portal as well, deVeloper.palm.com Jan 15 05:50:11 Developer.palm.com Jan 15 05:50:36 And for odd bits and pieces, just read JS tutorials from around the web, since anything that doesn't hinge on Mojo features is probably better covered there Jan 15 05:50:54 we need some really talented mojo developers like oil to write books Jan 15 05:51:03 And, I know it's probably terrible, but just read what other people have written (Don't go and just COPY it, that's lame as hell) Jan 15 05:51:16 Oil book now! Jan 15 05:51:21 With those four things it should be pretty easy to get up to speed on Jan 15 05:51:33 ok Jan 15 05:51:44 don't focus on mojo.. it's going away Jan 15 05:51:49 Well yeah that too Jan 15 05:51:52 SineOt: copying is good if it's an open source app Jan 15 05:51:56 the webos internals apps for instance Jan 15 05:52:15 I don't know, I think that going through it, learning what it does, and understanding the what/why is better than just copying it Jan 15 05:52:25 Copying it you don't learn anything from it, you learn to copy it Jan 15 05:52:26 yeah, that's true Jan 15 05:52:40 But going through and going "okay, so why did they do this here" Jan 15 05:52:54 Minchkin: there's a new framework for webos coming out within a few months called Enyo that'll be a lot more straightforward Jan 15 05:53:01 ok Jan 15 05:53:06 You start to understand why they did it that way, how it got done, and how you can adapt it to your own needs Jan 15 05:53:07 well, probably within a few months Jan 15 05:53:27 Minchkin: but learning Javascript is still a great place to start, it'll still be vital Jan 15 05:53:42 and you can also use what you learn to make web applications Jan 15 05:53:44 Few months isn't bad. It took me YEARS to get my Roller coaster designs even relatively smooth. Jan 15 05:53:45 And even if Mojo goes away I'm sure Enyo will be pretty similar Jan 15 05:54:23 Ok. I will look for places to find Javascript and start studying. Jan 15 05:54:26 Minchkin: roller coasters? Jan 15 05:54:29 sounds fun Jan 15 05:55:12 Yes Jan 15 05:55:42 If you look on YouTube for designs done by NoLimits, you will find a ton of things Jan 15 05:56:42 Oh, I am willing to trade a GSM Pixi Plus with 50 bucks to someone who is willing to send me a GSM Pre Plus Jan 15 05:58:12 There is someone with absolutly epic designs. Jan 15 05:58:42 Minchkin, be warned though that there's kind of this... Dark ages you'll go through Jan 15 05:58:44 at least I did Jan 15 05:58:59 where there's just like a complete tutorial learning desert Jan 15 05:59:50 between where you're doing stuff with some simple strings and you're doing crap like Mojo.Log.info("Character: "+event.value.charAt((event.value.length-1))+" "+characterCode+" "+keyValue); Jan 15 06:00:10 wut? Jan 15 06:00:12 LOL Jan 15 06:00:35 yeah exactly, that middle ground between those two points is pretty thin Jan 15 06:00:57 but that's where reading source code comes in handy, since everyone else already made it past that point Jan 15 06:02:31 Hmm... Can you give me some hints and tips for not absolutly screwing an app up? Jan 15 06:02:56 The best I can give is "don't be afraid to screw up" Jan 15 06:02:59 Because you will XD Jan 15 06:03:07 make it open source, and show lots of other people the source code before you publish the app to non-developers. Jan 15 06:03:14 But that's what internal testing is for Jan 15 06:03:36 show lots of other developers I mean Jan 15 06:04:15 I will show it to you guys. Possibly to give me tips on how to improve it? Jan 15 06:05:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiu9Z7UMGw4 <- Here is a good coaster with some funky corkscrews. Jan 15 06:06:32 Minchkin: does it run webOS ? (we do prefer to keep things on-topic in this channel) Jan 15 06:07:03 YES. Yes it does... XD Ok I will stop with the coasters. Jan 15 06:09:39 Minchkin: nice with the roller coaster thing, I had no idea people made their own and ran them simulated.. now if only fabrication of a full size version was within hobbyist capabilities :) Jan 15 06:09:53 and I'll stop being off topic also ;) Jan 15 06:30:24 Ha.. when I first started having issues with zumodrive they gave me a beta that didn't fix shit and bclosed my ticket. Jan 15 06:31:18 Everytime I have tried reinstalling a new downloadbit will error saying I had latest. Which ibdodnt. Finally just installed the latest. Jan 15 07:26:34 Anyone here wise with Javascript that wants to help a beginner? Jan 15 07:27:52 I'm not wise, but I'll help! Jan 15 07:28:14 Whatever works yo Jan 15 07:30:46 Is there a good spot to start off with? Jan 15 07:31:02 hello all Jan 15 07:31:35 I am having a problem enabling devmode for my unlocked gsm pre2 Jan 15 07:31:59 Write a helloworld app. Jan 15 07:32:04 my keyboard is not recognizing the #*devmode# Jan 15 07:32:17 That fills a DIV with content when you press a button. Jan 15 07:33:34 sjsjarksfan: Have you tried the Konami code? Jan 15 07:33:40 yes Jan 15 07:33:48 it doesn't work either Jan 15 07:33:55 Is it activated, or no? Jan 15 07:33:59 it's like the keyboard doesn't work.. :/ Jan 15 07:34:12 brand new dev device Jan 15 07:34:13 Can you type anything at all? Jan 15 07:34:15 #*devmode# should be entered in on the phone dialpad, not the keyboard Jan 15 07:34:23 Lol Jan 15 07:34:27 straight from HP/palm Jan 15 07:34:29 eg, tapped out in the Phone app Jan 15 07:34:40 with finger shaped pointing devices Jan 15 07:34:54 XD Jan 15 07:34:54 right,but the phone keypad does not come up.. supposed to automatically Jan 15 07:34:59 I thought Jan 15 07:35:05 Tap the phone icon Jan 15 07:35:23 I do not have a sim card for it Jan 15 07:35:32 dont need it Jan 15 07:35:54 I can't et rid of the install sim card screen Jan 15 07:36:03 #*3386633# Jan 15 07:36:07 you'll need a SIM Jan 15 07:36:14 even if it's not activated, just something in there Jan 15 07:36:23 I've been told both Jan 15 07:36:24 Hmm..? I guess you do. Jan 15 07:36:27 need and don't need Jan 15 07:36:48 if you don't need, then I have no idea how to bypass the insert SIM screen Jan 15 07:36:53 I don't know much. I am a /webos ratard Jan 15 07:36:54 I tried to find one in my current sprint pre.. but no go Jan 15 07:37:13 Sprint is CDMA. Jan 15 07:37:22 CDMA does NOT use SIM Jan 15 07:37:24 yea Jan 15 07:37:34 but I know that even if you just have a dead SIM, even one from No Name Network, it'll let you through... It'll just get you to a point where it asks about the network unlock but you can get past that Jan 15 07:37:39 You need to find a phone with AT&T or T-Mobile Jan 15 07:37:59 k Jan 15 07:38:14 I thought so, just was gettin both sides Jan 15 07:38:46 I might just get a data plan or something from at&t, just trying to avoid that Jan 15 07:39:02 Well, it IS only 15 bucks Jan 15 07:39:11 ;) Jan 15 07:39:13 yep Jan 15 07:39:27 that's no a big deal for sure Jan 15 07:40:12 I was so hoping to just ad a phone on my plan and just share data, but I have sprint.. ugh Jan 15 07:41:05 I can't wait to get into webOS 2.. I'm currently trying to port over to iOS apps to webOS 2.0 Jan 15 07:41:33 eh, good luck getting out of there :p Jan 15 07:41:47 I think the cheapest you can manage from an ATT store is 25$ Jan 15 07:42:08 which is annoying for something you need a total of like, once Jan 15 07:42:18 I think so too... I am running around with AT&T Jan 15 07:42:24 (I HATE them) Jan 15 07:43:10 I think is 250m for $15 and 2g for $25 Jan 15 07:43:21 somthin like that Jan 15 07:44:12 200 Megabytes for 15 bucks. Jan 15 07:44:25 OOOO!!! Pre 2 for 250? I like Jan 15 07:44:52 To get the developer discount, what kind of hoops do I have to jump thorough? Jan 15 07:44:58 Be a developer. :p Jan 15 07:45:28 sjsharksfan: even with the 15$ plan, there's some BS about needing minutes on the SIM too, so it comes out to like 25 Jan 15 07:45:33 Well, i am starting off. Jan 15 07:45:35 or so the manager told me after I complained Jan 15 07:45:42 ah, I gotcha, bogus.. Jan 15 07:45:51 Yeah. You don't need texting though Jan 15 07:46:49 you just have to register as a dev, I have apps in dev, so I am, but you really don't even need to be actively developing, just planning on it considers you a dev to then Jan 15 07:47:35 SWEET! Jan 15 07:47:49 it's worth it to get the discount.. $450 phone for $250 Jan 15 07:47:59 the sim card issue is the only headache.. Jan 15 07:48:12 Well.. Sorta. I have to buy it before june Jan 15 07:48:42 I meant considers you a dev to them Jan 15 07:48:43 I already have a sim. And the best thing is that I will have both a Pixi and a Pre Jan 15 07:49:11 I like it. I am waiting for the PDK to downloadk Jan 15 07:49:19 oh, lucky for that on your side for sure, makes it very much more easy Jan 15 07:49:54 Yeah. I need and idea that isn't too tough but useful enough to actually be viable Jan 15 07:50:03 And juggle coding and work Jan 15 07:50:04 I gotta jam for now, thanks for the tips y'all! :) Jan 15 07:50:24 Yeppers Jan 15 07:50:39 Sine0t Jan 15 07:50:52 Can you give me an idea? Jan 15 07:50:54 I hear that Min I need new ideas too all the time.. that's what my team does for us.. ;) Jan 15 07:51:40 ? Jan 15 07:51:59 Sorry, that makes no sense to me... :/ Jan 15 07:52:01 hmm.. I can't right at the moment.. but I will note some and bounce them off you in the room later Jan 15 07:52:34 Ok Jan 15 07:52:38 I have a few folks that work with me on ideas and brainstorming on app ideas and such Jan 15 07:52:39 Thx! Jan 15 07:52:58 Yeah. I am all lonely here. I have me, my mom, and a laptop Jan 15 07:53:19 we have porting ideas and 2 new apps. but I can't say what those are right now Jan 15 07:54:03 thanks again Min.. catch y'all later Jan 15 07:54:05 Well, good to see you have an idea. Jan 15 07:54:12 See ya Jan 15 07:54:16 ltr Jan 15 08:21:01 My phone runs so much smoother now that I took all of the patches off. Jan 15 08:21:10 And totally wiped it clean Jan 15 08:22:31 can anyone tell me how to copy files from /tmp/tokens on the Pre over USB? Jan 15 08:31:46 Hello? Jan 15 08:32:32 TheVoid, wait for it. Jan 15 08:33:09 sorry, thought maybe everyone was asleep Jan 15 08:33:35 99.9999% of the sane ones are. Jan 15 08:33:39 I'm headed that way Jan 15 08:33:47 does that make you insane, ka6sox-away? Jan 15 08:34:02 SineOt, yep Jan 15 08:34:16 SineOt, you going to be around for SCALE? Jan 15 08:34:35 im researching the pre plus on sprint modifications Jan 15 08:35:05 TheVoid, ah...not done that. Jan 15 08:35:18 anyways...I'm too tired to see straight..night Jan 15 08:35:40 it involves swapping the coms board from the sprint pre into a verizon pre plus Jan 15 08:35:43 possibly Jan 15 08:35:57 TheVoid: look for "Show Properties" in Preware, lets you email yourself the tokens Jan 15 08:36:39 i was looking more for a way to get the files off a device with a broken screen Jan 15 08:37:03 but thanks Jan 15 08:37:06 TheVoid, do you have novacom installed? Jan 15 08:37:39 if those are the drivers that come with quick install, then yes Jan 15 08:38:25 TheVoid, nope Jan 15 08:38:25 otherwise, no Jan 15 08:38:31 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery#NVRAM_Tokens Jan 15 08:38:58 look @ that page for some ideas...I'm sorry too much work and 36hrs with no sleep. Jan 15 08:40:26 yea, was already there. go sleep, im sure someone will be able to help me during the day Jan 15 12:00:33 morning Jan 15 12:00:57 rwhitby: ping Jan 15 12:03:04 noradtux_: yes Jan 15 12:03:21 i am currently playing around with the jailer Jan 15 12:03:51 sis you try to get it to accept a jailer_app.conf that's not signed by palm? Jan 15 12:03:56 s/sis/did/ Jan 15 12:03:56 noradtux_ meant: did you try to get it to accept a jailer_app.conf that's not signed by palm? Jan 15 12:05:44 or maybe a better question: do they user x509 certificates? Jan 15 12:06:46 to use a custom jailer_app.conf, you need to insert your own CA into the trusted certificates bundle, and then sign the conf file. Jan 15 12:07:20 ok Jan 15 12:08:10 I already found their list of trusted CAs and there is one from preware in there Jan 15 12:08:45 If I gave you a jailer-config, could you sign it? that is, after I verified that it works .. Jan 15 12:09:42 the preware one is only there if you did the install-preware in metadoctor Jan 15 12:09:52 so it is not a general solution Jan 15 12:09:58 hmm, okay Jan 15 12:10:18 note that you can also pre-insert an entry into the jailusers file to disable the jail Jan 15 12:10:26 * rwhitby bbiab Jan 15 12:11:22 okay .. I will continue my investigations :) Jan 15 12:11:27 thanks Jan 15 12:13:25 noradtux_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application_Signing Jan 15 15:43:30 hey guys Jan 15 16:12:35 ~seen unixpsycho Jan 15 16:12:45 unixpsycho <~unixpsych@static-72-93-236-42.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 3d 14h 49m 20s ago, saying: 'cisco NAT-T'. Jan 15 16:18:18 hello Jan 15 16:40:48 how can i get a touch screen key bored on my palm pre Jan 15 16:41:31 don't touch it for a while .. it will try to act out for attention, but after a while it'll just forget all about you and feel neglected .. it will then be bored Jan 15 16:41:59 does anyone know how to get it Jan 15 16:42:38 i paid for the pre ware thing on my fone and it does not do jack for it Jan 15 16:42:58 you paid for preware ? Jan 15 16:45:51 weird Jan 15 16:46:09 do you need a on-screen keyboard, maybe? Jan 15 17:51:19 has there been any progress on overclocking the pixi? Jan 15 20:12:48 So this is where all the cool people hang out. Jan 15 20:22:17 Anyone knows how to get autoconf run on webos? Jan 15 20:36:17 Hi everyone Jan 15 20:36:40 no se ingles Jan 15 20:37:09 I don't even remember saying hi... Jan 15 20:37:31 Halfhalo that's hola to you. Jan 15 20:38:11 ~x en es hello halfhalo Jan 15 20:38:15 hola halfhalo Jan 15 20:38:21 la fiesta! Jan 15 20:38:44 si! Por Que no? Jan 15 20:38:54 Can I have carnia sada Jan 15 20:39:03 no Jan 15 20:39:18 solo enchaladas y salsa's Jan 15 20:40:23 * halfhalo gets his gun Jan 15 20:40:39 halfhalo, porque? Jan 15 20:40:47 Yo no ables espinol Jan 15 20:41:04 * halfhalo forgot his hs spanish Jan 15 20:41:15 Jack87-Nook, ~x en es (insert english here) Jan 15 20:42:12 Haha Jan 15 20:42:49 ~de en es I don't even know why I took Spanish class. Jan 15 20:43:00 Oops Jan 15 20:43:08 you forgot x Jan 15 20:43:15 not de Jan 15 20:43:28 ~x en es I don't even know why I took Spanish class. Jan 15 20:43:35 i don' t incluso sabe porqué tomé la clase española. Jan 15 20:43:39 Noda Jan 15 20:44:06 :) Jan 15 20:54:57 dtzWill! Hello Jan 15 22:00:35 "i paid for the pre ware thing on my fone and it does not do jack for it" <- quote of the night Jan 15 22:01:04 :-) I laughed hard at that one. Jan 15 22:05:23 lol Jan 15 22:06:52 xDDDD Jan 15 22:10:08 lol Jan 15 23:57:54 rwhitby: i think he paid for the documentation and thought it was the actual thing Jan 15 23:58:43 in that case its rwhitbys fault :) Jan 16 00:28:45 How do I get to the Palm SDK on Ubuntu? Jan 16 00:29:00 It is downloaded and installed... Hmmm Jan 16 00:29:26 oil: heh, no, in that case it's an intelligence tax Jan 16 00:32:36 lol Jan 16 00:38:42 Minchkin: all the docs on how to use SDK are on developer.palm.com. there's not a single sdk icon but various features. Jan 16 00:38:55 most of which available from command line Jan 16 00:39:35 I see that now... Dang. Started the Emulator and now I have to roll back VirtualBox. Jan 16 00:39:42 Any clue how to do that? Jan 16 00:40:03 Nvrmnd Jan 16 01:16:40 what's the easiest and fastest way to ssh into my pre 2? Jan 16 01:18:09 Tibfib: OpenSSH from Preware + setup keys. But I usually just use novaterm myself. Jan 16 01:18:25 I'd have to do the windows method, right? Jan 16 01:18:28 How the hell do I make a workspace directory?? Jan 16 01:19:45 "mkdir ~/workspace" ? Jan 16 01:19:59 Oh. Hmm Jan 16 01:21:11 Tibfib: by easiest and fastest, do you prefer sshing in with a password rather than keys? Jan 16 01:21:43 I do prefer a password, but I think novaterm'll do it Jan 16 01:21:56 just need to copy over my app to the usb drive so I can grab it Jan 16 01:22:35 Tibfib: you can copy it to the device with novacom put file:///media/internal/whatever-file < whatever-file Jan 16 01:22:36