**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 19 02:59:57 2011 Jan 19 03:26:51 so rwhitby, Jan 19 03:27:10 has any more discussion taken place about preware updates? Jan 19 03:28:07 nope. any progress on the first steps I mentioned? Jan 19 03:28:41 hmm, what were those first steps? (no) Jan 19 03:33:50 @ rwhitby Jan 19 03:34:44 um, one was to fix saved packages. other was to fix feed error reporting. Jan 19 03:34:58 hrmm.. Jan 19 03:35:02 * Tibfib doesn't remember at all Jan 19 03:36:52 rwhitby: where's the preware bug tracker? Jan 19 03:37:08 redmine! Jan 19 03:37:51 preware have bugs? never Jan 19 03:38:04 redmine.webos-internals.org iirc Jan 19 03:38:19 hah, just found it Jan 19 03:38:52 halfhalo, is preware.org different than webos-internals.org? is there a remine for preware? Jan 19 03:39:05 * scoutcamper|sick wonders what oil's favorite color is :D Jan 19 03:40:19 i remember him saying it was either pink or double rainbow .. depending on mood Jan 19 03:41:23 jack87, only one redmine install on webos-internals.org Jan 19 03:41:31 * scoutcamper|sick notes he can file bugs for preware 2.0, is there something he missed? Jan 19 03:41:41 Jack87: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/preware is preware's Jan 19 03:42:12 Tibfib, got it Jan 19 03:42:15 that reminds me, should probly tell redmine to keep an instance of itself up at all times Jan 19 03:43:01 scoutcamper|sick, thats prolly the proper way for end users to report bugs. Jan 19 03:43:40 jack87 but preware 2.0 doesnt exist yet Jan 19 03:43:52 :) Jan 19 03:44:14 its also used to target specific features for a specific version Jan 19 04:15:43 Jack87: actually, the preware redmine is not open to end users Jan 19 04:16:32 rwhitby, i was speaking of on device bug reporting for preware that scoutcamper|sick mentioned (which is not public yet apparently) Jan 19 04:17:21 Jack87: I do not know what you or he are speaking of. Jan 19 04:18:09 rwhitby, that makes the two of us..... hum... will stop speaking now Jan 19 04:19:03 the preware redmine is where developers record *confirmed* bugs and *accepted* feature requests, and track progress of such. Jan 19 04:19:43 users+redmine=tears Jan 19 04:20:16 halfhalo: not necessarily. the wIRC redmine, for instance, is open to the public. Jan 19 04:20:49 I think the only user-submitted issue was a dupe Jan 19 04:21:43 * rwhitby rests his case for keeping the preware redmine developer-only Jan 19 04:23:01 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/88 Jan 19 04:29:15 "some data has been damaged but was recovered always eject before disconnecting from the computer Jan 19 04:29:17 " Jan 19 04:29:22 that doesn't sound good Jan 19 04:39:26 Tibfib: what about it? Jan 19 04:45:11 oil_pre, i could post an issue, would you like me to make a test issue just to prove the point? Jan 19 04:45:23 cc/@ rwhitby Jan 19 04:46:06 * oil_pre thinks you should be able to post it :) Jan 19 04:46:34 oil_pre, ? Jan 19 04:46:41 scoutcamper|sick: what is it? do you have reproducable test case? Jan 19 04:47:12 oil_pre, no, rwhitby said preware redmine was closed, i disaggree Jan 19 04:47:40 "<rwhitby> Jack87: actually, the preware redmine is not open to end users" Jan 19 04:49:35 okay... my phone is going nuts :( Jan 19 04:50:12 RagingMind, explain plz Jan 19 04:51:27 it's always been super weird about when I plug it into the computer. acting up and freezing after I eject it. so I always wind up having to restart the phone Jan 19 04:52:16 now I get a message about data being corrupted. and when I checked some of the files that I had just copied (navit maps) one of them was 400KB instead of 60MB Jan 19 04:54:15 RagingMind: you're ejecting it with the proper operating system function, ie safely remove hardware on windows, unmount on linux or eject in OSX? Jan 19 04:55:28 destinal, of course. after it did it the first time I threw in a sync before the next one Jan 19 04:55:55 RagingMind: I wonder if the fat filesystem on the device is just corrupted Jan 19 04:56:03 who was working on restoring messages? Jan 19 04:56:43 I'm gonna doctor the phone... the only reason I haven't before now is the lack of ability to restore messages Jan 19 04:56:59 RagingMind, webos 1.4.5 or 2.0? Jan 19 04:57:09 I'm running save restore and I'll plug it in again to pull everything off it Jan 19 04:57:22 RagingMind: only problem is that doctoring the device doesn't always reformat /media/internal either Jan 19 04:57:25 scoutcamper|sick, verizon pre+ on 1.4.5.1 Jan 19 04:57:35 destinal, suggestions? Jan 19 04:57:52 * halfhalo votes we start naming apps the same way new pharmaceutical drugs are named Jan 19 04:58:22 halfhalo, i need some dihydrogentetrachloride Jan 19 04:58:36 nonono, brand name drugs Jan 19 04:58:42 it's never been doctored, when I got it there was 1.3.something on it and an OTA update... then miscellaneous playing with preware Jan 19 04:58:51 you know, random letters followed by -a Jan 19 04:59:08 can I tell it to format media/internal with metadoctor? Jan 19 05:02:23 halfhalo, what about morphine? ipuprofen? tylenol? Jan 19 05:02:42 * halfhalo will slap you Jan 19 05:03:06 * scoutcamper|sick wins :D Jan 19 05:03:30 RagingMind: good question. I don't think metadoctor has any such feature at the moment Jan 19 05:04:06 is there a way to reformat the media drive and not hose things in weird ways? Jan 19 05:04:44 do a full erase from the Device Info app? :p Jan 19 05:05:13 SineOt: does that actually reformat or just erase? Jan 19 05:06:53 Dunno, it might just erase Jan 19 05:08:09 oil_pre make a redmine for meta-doctor? Jan 19 05:09:20 I have no power Jan 19 05:09:23 to make it Jan 19 05:09:30 heh, oops I mean 1.4.5 Jan 19 05:09:37 I was thinking of 1.4.1.1 Jan 19 05:12:26 RagingMind: I think full erase does dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/store-media Jan 19 05:12:39 so when doctor runs next it'll reformat it Jan 19 05:20:19 think I'd have better luck asking in #webos? Jan 19 05:22:19 * halfhalo lulz theres no redmine metadoctor project Jan 19 05:22:51 I think that "AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE" should be a standard option for the regular webos doctors Jan 19 05:23:04 * rwhitby agrees Jan 19 05:23:19 psh, biased much? :D Jan 19 05:24:54 * halfhalo is tempted to write a redmine plugin that redirects the initial file view in the repo tab to show the file contents instead of its history Jan 19 05:25:50 rwhitby, curious... your thoughts on approaching a potential fubar of the fat file system? Jan 19 05:26:36 rwhitby: full erase zeroes out media filesystem, right? Jan 19 05:26:47 RagingMind: there have been a number of media partitions that I've come across with people lately. All ended up with an mkfs.vfat and subsequent doctor to cause apps to redownload. Jan 19 05:27:05 s/media partitions/media partition corruptions/ Jan 19 05:27:05 rwhitby meant: RagingMind: there have been a number of media partition corruptions that I've come across with people lately. All ended up with an mkfs.vfat and subsequent doctor to cause apps to redownload. Jan 19 05:27:44 mkfs.vfat from on the phone or while plugged into the computer? Jan 19 05:28:02 rwhitby: did any of them try full erase instead or is there some reason that's bad? I notice /usr/sbin/wipe_media_with_feedback.sh which I'd guess is called from full erase but I haven't tracked it down yet Jan 19 05:29:23 destinal: in all cases, fsck caused a reboot at some point, and an mkfs was the last resort. Jan 19 05:30:42 rwhitby: I guess mkfs is faster than full erase but otherwise it seems full erase has the advantage of being easier Jan 19 05:31:14 I'm not afraid of running commands on my phone :) Jan 19 05:31:35 destinal: in either case, you lose .palm and a doctor is the most convenient way to get all your apps back Jan 19 05:31:39 I've been meaning to doctor for a while but figured I'd wait till 2.0 came to my pre+ Jan 19 05:32:19 RagingMind: you should try an fsck.vfat first, just to see whether you can break the run of doctoring Jan 19 05:33:35 kk, but first I'm looking through to make sure I have everything saved to my computer Jan 19 05:34:33 so .palm is where all my apps are? that would explain why it's taking rsync so long to look through it Jan 19 05:35:30 I thought that stuff was put in a directory that was supposed to be masked from the computer... but I was probably interpreting what I was reading wrong or reading something old Jan 19 05:36:00 RagingMind: .palm is the encrypted version Jan 19 05:38:24 and fsck is run from on the device or from the computer looking at the usb drive? Jan 19 05:47:03 on device, in memboot of installer initramfs (e.g. using meta-doctor memboot) Jan 19 05:47:19 look in the meta-doctor mount target for how to init the lvm Jan 19 05:47:29 heyy, can anyone tell me where to download the webos quick install thing Jan 19 05:48:07 please. Jan 19 05:48:25 google Jan 19 05:48:51 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webos+quick+install+thing Jan 19 05:49:15 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/228310-webos-quick-install-v3-14-a.html Jan 19 05:49:24 it's up to version pi ? Jan 19 05:49:35 v.π if you will Jan 19 05:49:47 yep Jan 19 05:49:49 bpadalino: only approximate pi Jan 19 05:49:51 3.14 Jan 19 05:49:53 3 digits Jan 19 05:49:57 * rwhitby notes the the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog has download instructions ... Jan 19 05:50:01 sounds like they need an update Jan 19 05:50:07 hmm... working out this memboot thing Jan 19 05:50:17 destinal, it should be WOSQI V 22/7 Jan 19 05:50:32 RagingMind: why memboot rather than just full erase? Jan 19 05:50:40 oh for fsck ? Jan 19 05:50:51 yeah, figure I'd try it Jan 19 05:50:56 RagingMind: it's easy with metadoctor Jan 19 05:51:09 destinal, that's the part I"m figuring out :-P Jan 19 05:51:14 make DEVICE=pre memload-wr Jan 19 05:51:25 I haven't used this before so I"m being cautious Jan 19 05:52:44 RagingMind: there's details on the recovery wiki page Jan 19 05:53:53 the webos thing wont download to my computer it keeps taking me to this http://images.precentral.net/sites/precentral.net/files/webos-homebrew-apps/wosqi/WebOSQuickInstall.jar and then ill click save and it wont do anything Jan 19 05:54:01 someone help me. Jan 19 05:54:10 ~recovery is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Jan 19 05:54:10 destinal: okay Jan 19 05:55:11 kody, check out Preware Homebrew Documentation in the official app catalog Jan 19 05:55:21 ^ ++ Jan 19 05:56:02 that greedy rwhitby selling his PHD app in a bid to take over the world .. *shakes sarcastic fist* Jan 19 05:56:19 bpadalino, its a good business plan :D Jan 19 05:57:00 i can hear his maniacal australian laugh halfway around the world Jan 19 05:57:22 ha Jan 19 05:57:28 see, there it is! Jan 19 05:57:36 ...haunting Jan 19 05:57:59 bpadalino: yeah, either you care enough to teach yourself how to run a java jar file or you can pay the $1 Jan 19 05:58:09 my time isn't worthless Jan 19 05:58:16 ~rwhitby is a evil mastermind plotting to take over the world Jan 19 05:58:16 ...but rwhitby is already something else... Jan 19 05:58:23 ~no rwhitby is a evil mastermind plotting to take over the world Jan 19 05:58:24 okay, scoutcamper|sick Jan 19 05:58:44 scoutcamper|sick: you didn't even bother looking at what it was or using "is also"? Jan 19 05:58:51 blind overwrite? Jan 19 05:58:56 yep Jan 19 05:59:01 ~rwhitby Jan 19 05:59:05 ~lart scoutcamper|sick Jan 19 05:59:05 * infobot urinates on scoutcamper|sick Jan 19 05:59:19 ~botkill Jan 19 05:59:23 ~botsmack Jan 19 05:59:24 OWW! Jan 19 05:59:35 ~MUUUUUUUURDER Jan 19 05:59:51 ok, no more infobot Jan 19 06:00:04 ~~~~ Jan 19 06:00:05 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal!!! Jan 19 06:02:06 bpadalino: can you imagine actually trying to help someone who can't figure out how to run a jar? Jan 19 06:02:08 ~beer Jan 19 06:02:09 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) Jan 19 06:02:14 bpadalino: we'd be here forever Jan 19 06:02:30 true Jan 19 06:03:00 then again he probably installed java or just doubleclicked it which is why he quit ;) Jan 19 06:03:11 heh Jan 19 06:07:36 membooting... yay! I think Jan 19 12:51:49 tesing Jan 19 12:52:04 testing Jan 19 12:52:58 1st try failed, 2nd one did work. Jan 19 12:53:30 lol thanks Jan 19 13:31:26 rwhitby: regarding Save/Restore, are there are any plans to enable backup of databases to different file formats? (e.g. backup relevant content of sms db to csv) Jan 19 15:36:39 preware won't update... I'm at 1.5.0 and it show's 1.5.3 as available and I've hit update twice... it looks like it updates, but the next time I open preware it's still 1.5.0 Jan 19 15:38:42 yay! it updated! that was weird Jan 19 15:59:39 hello Jan 19 15:59:41 hey guys Jan 19 15:59:52 i have a question can someone please help me? Jan 19 16:01:31 I have a Sprint Palm Pre, i just had to store back to regular, so i did and finaly got to the palm pre profile log in screen. the problem is i dont have a profile because my phone has bad esn Jan 19 16:02:42 so i used to have a windows app that i would click and it will restart my phone and it would go straight to home screen Jan 19 16:10:10 let me see if I understand what you're asking. Jan 19 16:10:27 you want to bypass activation on your sprint palm pre? Jan 19 16:11:25 and, it's so useful that he stuck around ... Jan 19 16:18:14 lulz Jan 19 17:53:28 yay! navit opens again! Jan 19 18:30:04 weewtweewt. A webapp is down at work which means MOVIE TIME Jan 19 20:16:24 * halfhalo is installing a CLOUD Jan 19 20:20:02 with a capital Z Jan 19 20:38:35 halfhalo: lol Jan 19 20:38:53 apt-get install teh_cloudz Jan 19 20:41:47 Hi Jan 19 20:42:19 I trying to set up a cross-compiling environment on Ubuntu according to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#Installation_on_Ubuntu_for_webOS_PDK_cross_compiling Jan 19 20:42:30 but I'm in front of a problem about "navit" Jan 19 20:42:55 what's the link between webOS cross-compiling and navit??? Jan 19 20:43:40 It says that I have no rul to build "mark.xpm" needed for "all-am". Jan 19 20:43:49 rule* Jan 19 20:49:29 No idea about that ? Jan 19 21:03:16 HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP :D Jan 19 21:16:25 I don't understand anything about that mark.xpm problem... I guess I'm not the only one to have this problem! Jan 19 21:18:06 v0n: unfortunately right now make stage makes tons of stuff you may not need just because it's there. lots of packages that are included in our feed including navit, among other things Jan 19 21:25:05 destinal, ok But I need to do something with this. mark.xpm is called in navit Makefiles but isn't present in navit source (even in navit svn repo). I tryied to modify Makefiles, but they seems to be overwritten when I try again 'make stage'. Jan 19 21:25:55 v0n: or you could just move navit to the nonworking directory so you don't build it Jan 19 21:27:03 destinal, a simple `mv packages/apps/navit nonworking/'? Jan 19 21:27:48 packages/nonworking/* Jan 19 21:36:23 v0n: yup Jan 19 21:38:33 destinal, thanks, sounds like a good idea. Why this kind of apps is in the cross-compile project? Jan 19 21:39:07 It just makes 'make stage' use a long time to prepare non-useful apps Jan 19 21:39:08 v0n: because build.git is really intended for the autobuilder that makes the feeds that preware installs stuff from Jan 19 21:40:21 v0n: navit and others are automatically cross compiled for armv6 and armv7 and bundled up into ipkg's for people to install with preware whenever someone tags them with a new version # Jan 19 21:40:31 in git Jan 19 21:41:47 v0n: this has been discussed and the makefiles should change so that humans who are trying to cross compile new stuff don't have to build all the apps packages etc Jan 19 21:42:46 destinal, nice, that's what I wanted to say Jan 19 21:44:27 destinal, users that want to cross compile new stuffs should not have to download all these packages source too Jan 19 21:45:28 yeah. make stage takes several gigs of space last time I ran it Jan 19 21:45:56 of course some of it is needed for some things, it downloads and sets up the Mac OSX PDK dmg for instance Jan 19 21:47:03 v0n: if you're not doing anything that needs the WIDK, you should be able to get the Palm official PDK to work under linux with a few tweaks documented here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux Jan 19 21:47:26 of course the WIDK is a lot more capable generally with the whole scratchbox2 environment Jan 19 22:19:40 Anyone here have a Pre 2 and want to test to see if a video streaming bug I'm seeing in 1.4.5 is fixed? Jan 19 22:19:44 http://brian.mastenbrook.net/content/palmbug/ - first link plays fine on 1.4.5; second causes the device to issue a malformed HTTP request Jan 19 22:22:57 heh, I would...but I lent my pre2 to my gf :facepalm: Jan 19 22:23:25 heh. just trying to find out whether it's fixed in 2.0 before I report it on the dev forums Jan 19 22:23:52 I don't think it's even possible to test this in the simulator, unless they added support for video while I wasn't paying attention Jan 19 22:27:15 her GSM phone died and she's got 1 month left on her ATT contract Jan 19 22:28:00 and yeah I don't recall that kind of support in there either Jan 19 22:28:44 I seem to recall there being issues with spaces in a lot of browsers in the past though Jan 19 22:29:06 I've only seen this bug on webOS... Jan 19 22:36:22 used to be a firefox/opera issue, not sure when they fixed it Jan 19 22:37:47 aha http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4665124/space-in-url-did-browser-got-smarter-or-server Jan 19 22:38:18 oh. that's not the issue, that's just browsers correcting for bad URLs Jan 19 22:38:28 I'm encoding it properly, webOS is incorrectly decoding it when it ought not to be Jan 19 22:40:08 so you are... Jan 19 22:40:49 I wonder if the browser is changing it to a space when it passes it to the media player Jan 19 22:41:45 dunno where the problem shows up internally, but it definitely winds up as something like "GET /content/palmbug/Hello World.mov HTTP/1.1" on the wire Jan 19 22:42:46 I've posted on the dev forums @ https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=10820 - maybe someone with a Pre 2 will respond there Jan 19 22:43:00 well, the thing to do then is check if you can do it with another file, like a jpg Jan 19 22:43:15 anything in the browser itself is fine Jan 19 22:43:26 in fact, the browser itself issues a proper request for the file to determine its content-type Jan 19 22:44:18 76.216.187.242 brian.mastenbrook.net - [19/Jan/2011:16:38:43 -0600] "GET /content/palmbug/Hello%20World.mov HTTP/1.1" 200 27288 "http://brian.mastenbrook.net/content/palmbug/" "Mozilla/5.0 (webOS/1.4.5; U; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/1.0 Safari/532.2 Pixi/1.1" Jan 19 22:44:23 76.216.187.242 - - [19/Jan/2011:16:38:47 -0600] "" 400 349 "-" "-" Jan 19 22:44:29 (that second one is how lighttpd logs the malformed request) Jan 19 22:44:43 that identity string makes me lol every time Jan 19 23:02:22 novaterm is handy :) Jan 19 23:02:39 Loudergood: The "KHTML, like Gecko" bit? Jan 19 23:03:18 yeah, talk about a hack we got stuck with that's gone wrong Jan 19 23:59:36 hello? Jan 20 00:07:40 hey-o Jan 20 00:43:16 hello Jan 20 00:43:35 anyone want webOS 2.0.1? Jan 20 00:43:43 hey sconic Jan 20 00:43:47 sconix Jan 20 00:44:17 anyone here> Jan 20 00:44:56 elo? Jan 20 00:45:14 myyyeees? Jan 20 00:47:06 hi Jan 20 00:47:12 hal halo? Jan 20 00:47:38 thats mostly my name Jan 20 00:47:51 what carrier and phone u got? Jan 20 00:48:07 I have many phones and many carriers Jan 20 00:48:12 oh Jan 20 00:48:16 are u a dev? Jan 20 00:48:21 yes Jan 20 00:48:31 what have you made for the pre? Jan 20 00:49:05 long ago and far away I made steam friends, but now its mostly private stuff Jan 20 00:49:12 kewl Jan 20 00:49:20 what should I do with the webOS drs? Jan 20 00:49:37 I can;t believe I got em before everyone else Jan 20 00:49:43 what doctors? Jan 20 00:50:15 2.0.1 sprint verizon and att Jan 20 00:50:21 don't do anything with them. saying you have them and are willing to share them is a violation of the nda you signed and you could be prosecuted. Jan 20 00:50:27 I just flashed my pre minus Jan 20 00:50:29 seems ligit Jan 20 00:50:42 it's leaked Jan 20 00:50:47 where? Jan 20 00:50:48 I didn;t sign anything Jan 20 00:50:53 dan____, dont violate an NDA here. Jan 20 00:50:53 I'm just a random pre fan Jan 20 00:51:32 ok Jan 20 00:51:33 dan____, where did you get them from? developer.palm.com ? Jan 20 00:51:44 someone sent me a URL to an FTP site Jan 20 00:51:51 it was a palm site Jan 20 00:51:56 by the time I clicke it Jan 20 00:52:00 link was dead Jan 20 00:52:08 google search for parts of the URL Jan 20 00:52:13 dan____, that is a severe NDA violation Jan 20 00:52:18 turned up a chinese site that was hosting the drs Jan 20 00:52:28 I have sprint and ATT Jan 20 00:52:37 donwloading verizon now Jan 20 00:53:13 scrach that Jan 20 00:53:15 no verizon Jan 20 00:53:19 just sprint and ATT Jan 20 00:53:53 dan____, please email the link to pdc@palm.com and explain what you did Jan 20 00:53:56 holy crap Jan 20 00:54:02 I never though of that Jan 20 00:54:08 lol Jan 20 00:54:16 did i give u an idea hal? Jan 20 00:55:33 thats a huge security hole in ea Jan 20 00:56:21 dan____, do not share link here, please report it to the address i gave you above Jan 20 00:56:27 ok will do Jan 20 00:56:33 I was just messing with you guys Jan 20 00:56:47 I have no doctors Jan 20 00:59:05 what's PCD? Jan 20 00:59:09 @palm.com Jan 20 01:01:01 spammer ... Jan 20 01:01:08 halfhalo, you aggree? Jan 20 01:01:22 no, just someone who thought he was l33t Jan 20 01:01:32 * Tibfib wonders who has banning powers.. Jan 20 01:01:33 that too Jan 20 01:01:35 * halfhalo was trying to bait him into it earlier... Jan 20 01:01:42 sorry bout that :] Jan 20 01:01:49 Tibfib, anyone with +V Jan 20 01:02:09 Tibfib, if you use xchat they have the yellow dot next to their neame Jan 20 01:02:19 yeah, I see em Jan 20 01:02:45 it wasn't really a serious question Jan 20 01:02:56 lol Jan 20 01:03:16 more of a hint :) Jan 20 01:27:30 helo? Jan 20 01:27:37 hi Jan 20 01:27:55 did the pre 2 ever get access to preware? Jan 20 01:28:01 yes Jan 20 01:28:05 how? Jan 20 01:28:17 magic? Jan 20 01:28:20 lol Jan 20 01:28:22 comeone Jan 20 01:28:26 palm-install Jan 20 01:28:50 woh hey rob your awesome Jan 20 01:29:06 s/rob/rod/ Jan 20 01:29:14 shit Jan 20 01:29:22 celebrities make me nervious Jan 20 01:29:28 rwhitby, infobot doesnt work like that lol Jan 20 01:29:52 * halfhalo goes to break infobots legs Jan 20 01:29:56 is palm-install something that is in the 2.0 doctor? Jan 20 01:30:36 Pre_guy: palm-install is part of the webOS SDK. developer.palm.com - use it with the novacom drivers from the webOS 2.0.1 doctor to install Preware on the Pre 2. Jan 20 01:30:44 Pre_guy, 2.0 doctor has novacom drivers that let it work with 1.4.5 sdk Jan 20 01:30:52 darn, rwhitby beat me to itr Jan 20 01:31:17 I already have the web-OS 2.0 dr do I need anything elkse? Jan 20 01:31:27 I have the 1.4.5 sdk installed Jan 20 01:31:35 what host OS ? Jan 20 01:31:39 w7 64 Jan 20 01:31:56 Pre_guy, rename the doctor .jar to .zip and open it Jan 20 01:32:03 it's open Jan 20 01:32:31 * Tibfib has found the secret to getting rwhitby's help, call him a celeb :) Jan 20 01:32:42 lol Jan 20 01:33:19 this file? NovacomInstaller.pkg.tar.gz Jan 20 01:33:32 or is it this one :P sprint.tar Jan 20 01:33:49 Pre_guy, look under resources Jan 20 01:33:59 hola! Jan 20 01:34:03 Pre_guy, do you have a pre2? Jan 20 01:34:11 novacomx64.msi? Jan 20 01:34:19 Pre_guy, thats it Jan 20 01:34:19 nope Jan 20 01:34:36 Pre_guy, then why need 2.0 novacom drivers? Jan 20 01:34:43 has the optware update already been discussed? Jan 20 01:34:54 caus eI want 2.0.1 on my sprint pre Jan 20 01:35:11 Pre_guy, how do you plan on doing that? Jan 20 01:35:19 secret doctors Jan 20 01:35:27 will be launched on feb 9 Jan 20 01:35:32 secret, doctor man, secret, doctor man.. Jan 20 01:35:41 but it's a secret so Jan 20 01:35:43 shhh lol Jan 20 01:35:52 Pre_guy, you assume this or have NDA violating info? Jan 20 01:36:06 NDAs are boring Jan 20 01:36:12 He's the pre_guy, of course he knows Jan 20 01:36:12 ajay, its just The Doctor Jan 20 01:36:30 ? Jan 20 01:36:43 * scoutcamper wonders how many people got the doctor pho reference Jan 20 01:36:55 BTW this novocom installer 64.msi in the 2.0 dr... is this all I need to install preware as normal on a 2.0 device? Jan 20 01:36:56 s/pho/who/ Jan 20 01:36:56 Pre_guy: I hope you know that this channel is regularly reviewed by palm employees, and that your ip is logged, and we know you are the same guy as before Jan 20 01:37:02 I was thinking about dr.who, but didn't quite see that reference being seemless here.. ;^) Jan 20 01:37:18 oh no Jan 20 01:37:21 Pre_guy: please re-read the channel topic Jan 20 01:37:37 of cause I have a pre to Jan 20 01:37:40 Pre two Jan 20 01:38:32 * halfhalo mumbles something about server logs and banning devices based off of nuids Jan 20 01:38:47 nuids? Jan 20 01:39:45 unique device id's Jan 20 01:40:39 Doesn't seem like the livelog covers today yet(?) I tried to do the optware update, and it .. broke Jan 20 01:40:44 hey half meet me @ another channel? Jan 20 01:40:57 why.... Jan 20 01:41:07 ajay: livelog should be up to date Jan 20 01:41:17 oh Jan 20 01:41:35 ajay: what broke? that was changed a couple of weeks ago, but probably hasn't had a lot of testing other than what I did Jan 20 01:41:50 In that case, I tried to do the optware update on my 1.4.5 device which was metadoctored with INCREASE_VAR_SPACE enabled, and it preware kicked out a bunch of errors Jan 20 01:41:59 Pre_guy: why Jan 20 01:42:21 no real reason Jan 20 01:42:26 too many ppl here Jan 20 01:42:57 ajay: did you catch the errors? Jan 20 01:43:26 rwhitby: Yeah. they're prob still on device i imagine. Jan 20 01:43:52 ajay: I'm interested in seeing them. Jan 20 01:44:06 at least he DID do something useful, which was report the big security hole Jan 20 01:44:16 I still have them on screen if not, basically it tried to rm /var/opt, which wasn't empty, then a bunch of FS full errors Jan 20 01:44:22 k, lesse.. Jan 20 01:44:35 halfhalo, he'll be back Jan 20 01:44:39 im sure Jan 20 01:44:54 trolls dont quit that easy Jan 20 01:45:14 is preware's ipkg log on device? I don't see it in /var/log Jan 20 01:45:20 well, your confrontational attitude usually causes them to stay longer Jan 20 01:45:30 ajay: it is not Jan 20 01:45:33 * ajay wishes he could come up with a snappy pop culture reference involving trolls not quitting Jan 20 01:46:40 rwhitby, i was following halfhalo's orders :D Jan 20 01:47:03 rwhitby: oh there's an email option, nice! Just sent to you, hope that's cool with you Jan 20 01:47:10 ajay: yep Jan 20 01:47:19 why no on-device log? Jan 20 01:48:17 is laziness a good enough excuse? Jan 20 01:49:14 hmm Jan 20 01:49:47 * halfhalo high fives oil Jan 20 01:49:57 dtzwill! oh long time no chat (was just thinking of X yesterday.. ;^) Jan 20 01:50:15 well Jan 20 01:50:17 that and mojo can't write a file Jan 20 01:51:59 halfhalo, maybe he wont be back :( Jan 20 01:52:10 rwhitby: ok sent Jan 20 01:52:17 ajay: 'ello! good to see you too :) Jan 20 01:52:23 * halfhalo can live with that Jan 20 01:52:53 halfhalo, but i enjoy messsing with trolls Jan 20 01:54:03 scoutcamper: you shoulda taken him to a private channel, since half wouldn't.. ;^) Jan 20 01:54:10 only when there is no real convo going on Jan 20 01:54:26 ajay: that's not good Jan 20 01:54:55 ajay: the rmdir /var/opt is expected, but the No space errors are not Jan 20 01:55:25 it's supposed to be copying into the newly-created loopfs mounted 64MB file mounted on /opt Jan 20 01:55:38 ajay, i didnt want to be cyber raped lol Jan 20 01:56:14 ajay: the good news is that /var/opt should still be intact Jan 20 01:56:34 (I programmed it so that if it failed to copy, the source was left alone) Jan 20 01:56:53 ajay: so go in there and work out why /opt is not mouting from the loopfs file Jan 20 02:00:47 scoutcamper: haha Jan 20 02:09:06 So, any reason why latest testing Preware, Save/Restore, UberKernel and Govnah cannot be pushed to public releases? Jan 20 02:14:00 rwhitby: Yeah I noticed /var/opt looks good, that was good to know/see Jan 20 02:14:15 ajay: defensive programming FTW Jan 20 02:17:24 rwhitby:heh. it mounts fine.. next.. Jan 20 02:17:32 (to try the copy) Jan 20 02:18:11 oil: I think Impostah should display cookies next Jan 20 02:18:18 rwhitby: oh its simple, my /var/opt is 135.2M Jan 20 02:18:46 ah, ok. Jan 20 02:18:54 "Impostah: Yes, even the kitchen sink" Jan 20 02:19:05 ajay: you can resize the loopfs file then Jan 20 02:19:12 oil, i like the wikileaks one Jan 20 02:19:14 rwhitby: So my original suggestion was going to be: Check if they're meta-doctored (VAR_SIZE increased) Jan 20 02:19:56 oil: "More Internals than Internalz" Jan 20 02:19:59 what's the reason for this loopback FS? Jan 20 02:20:12 ajay: /var is much smaller on webOS 2.0 Jan 20 02:20:18 I really like having a big /var Jan 20 02:20:49 err, /opt i should say Jan 20 02:21:58 Impostah: "More info than Wikileaks" Jan 20 02:22:44 ajay: I'm open to the postinst detecting a huge /var and leaving it alone if you write and test the code. Jan 20 02:22:47 rwhitby: i mean, if someone is meta-doctored to have a big /var then this shouldn't be required, right? (AKA is there any other advantage/reason for opt being in a loopbackfs?) Jan 20 02:23:05 damn you answered my q before i finished writing it.. ;^) Jan 20 02:23:27 ajay: note that if you've metadoctored to a huge /var, then the OTA to 2.0 may be problematic Jan 20 02:23:34 (it was a reask, so that makes sense..) Jan 20 02:23:40 but you may not care if you're metadoctored Jan 20 02:24:45 rwhitby: oh! good tip, I hadn't thought about that. So I'll probably backup, try the 2.0 OTA, and if fail, metadoctor to 2.x. Jan 20 02:25:30 rwhitby: Is metadoctor 2.0-ready? Jan 20 02:26:11 ajay: yes Jan 20 02:28:21 sweet! Jan 20 02:30:41 rwhitby: One of the reasons I did the INCREASE_VAR_SIZE was to install more progs (unison, X11, etc), will there be an easy way for people to make their /opts? Jan 20 02:30:44 bigger Jan 20 02:31:08 (I guess maybe requires some techie knowledge of increasing the size of the loopback, maybe not so difficult..) Jan 20 02:31:22 ajay: yeah, I was going to do an optware package which just resizes the loopfs file Jan 20 02:31:29 nice! Jan 20 02:31:37 you're like, so on top of it.. ;^) Jan 20 02:32:44 well, I tested the procedure, but haven't done the package yet. Jan 20 02:32:51 and probably won't get around to it :) Jan 20 02:37:08 rwhitby: well, what I'm saying is you're already did the work before I asked you about it, that's on top of it if you ask me ! :) Jan 20 02:37:42 64M is just a default choice for those who will only install openssh Jan 20 02:38:01 those who are going to install lots more stuff can handle the command line to resize it Jan 20 02:38:42 yeah that's what I was saying earlier, reqs some techie knowledge Jan 20 02:38:53 that's prob fair Jan 20 02:39:36 ajay: so did the space failure leave your device in a working state, with the old optware running as before, just refusing to install the update? Jan 20 02:41:12 rwhitby: I'm not sure what optware does when running, i left preware on the screen on the error Jan 20 02:43:19 well, on reboot whether /opt is still a bind mount from /var/opt Jan 20 02:44:25 oh haha, i just realized i can't copy the file to edit it from the device because of this.. ;^) Jan 20 02:58:13 gah life is so difficult when you've got flakey wifi and a a flakey usb cable!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 20 02:59:57 2011