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Jan 20 03:01:08 <ajay> hm, reading the script looks like it would have deleted the profile and upstart scripts, damn shoulda looked to make sure before rebooting
Jan 20 03:02:23 <ajay> rwhitby: Does this optware update make changes to the profile and upstart scripts?
Jan 20 03:03:45 <rwhitby> eys
Jan 20 03:12:02 <ajay> hm, k
Jan 20 03:12:43 <ajay> rwhitby: is optware in git? don't see it
Jan 20 03:15:33 <ajay> strange, post-reboot preware doesn't even show that optware needs to be updated. crap
Jan 20 03:16:02 <ajay>  /opt is definitely not mounted, fwiw
Jan 20 03:18:07 <rwhitby> ajay: testing-optware/bootstrap
Jan 20 03:21:06 <ajay> I only see 1 revision for profile, 2 for upstart. correct?
Jan 20 03:27:27 <rwhitby> probably
Jan 20 03:31:18 <ajay> hrmm.. i was thinking that if they already have a big /var i would leave the upstart and profile scripts as-is since all is working, but if i can't get the older versions..
Jan 20 03:33:30 <ajay> too bad (And weird) that i didn't get this update until today, since I just doctored yesterday.. definitely woulda been easier to resize the filesystem loopfs than change this script.. heh.. i'm surprised i'm the only one who's increased VAR_SIZE tho
Jan 20 03:38:50 <rwhitby> ajay: old versions are in the non-testing optware bootstrap
Jan 20 03:39:06 <ajay> oh
Jan 20 03:39:08 <rwhitby> you must have been installing the alpha testing version
Jan 20 03:39:31 <ajay> weird
Jan 20 03:42:56 <ajay> ah yes. perfect
Jan 20 03:48:32 <ajay> what's webOS's default /var size? (1.4.5 and 2.x) 256 and 64 resp, right?
Jan 20 03:49:53 <rwhitby> something like that
Jan 20 03:52:03 <ajay> hrmm.. i wonder if there needs to be 2 conditions.. (one for each OS ver)
Jan 20 03:52:53 <ajay> oh my, this is getting sticky.. and checking if /opt is outside of /var..
Jan 20 03:53:23 <ajay> (sticky meaning wondering if i should check for greater than 64 and call it good, or > 64 if 2.0 and > 256 if <=1.4.5..)
Jan 20 04:00:53 <ajay> oh crap sh not bash huh, gah
Jan 20 04:07:05 * halfhalo hearts zsh
Jan 20 04:15:56 * ajay is boycotting Palm until they release their toaster
Jan 20 04:20:50 <ajay> rwhitby: I have to totally change the logic of your scripts for this.. ;^)
Jan 20 04:37:35 <ajay> am I the only that thinks that the webOS bootie themes page should have images on it?
Jan 20 05:08:37 <ajay> hmm, i guess palm-package isn't how webos-internals rolls.. ;^)
Jan 20 05:17:21 <ajay> i wonder if freetether could do a reverse-tether
Jan 20 05:17:42 <ajay> (cuz mah wifi sucks here! but i got a hardline into the comp from the src!)
Jan 20 05:29:37 <ajay> I thought I had a dev device for a reason, but just realized I didn't INCREASE_VAR_SIZE on it! gah
Jan 20 05:29:53 <ajay> well, it's dinner time, ttfn!
Jan 20 06:25:41 <sethron> save/restore 1.3.0 throw this error during Frootrees 2011-01-19T06:35:05.797790Z [185950] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.saverestore: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'style' of undefined, palmInitFramework347:14045
Jan 20 06:28:45 <sethron> it acts as if is saves, but there is no restore, and upon relauch displays No archives available
Jan 20 06:28:56 <rwhitby> sethron: hmm - doesn't seem to be related to the individual package
Jan 20 06:29:32 <sethron> it's version 1.1.2 of Frootrees
Jan 20 06:31:51 <rwhitby> what does Lumberjack report for dbus traffic during that?
Jan 20 06:33:32 <sethron> sorry, not sure how to capture that
Jan 20 06:35:36 <sethron> com.palm.luna -> org.webosinternals.saverestore //save string={"id":"com.jakyl.frootrees","subscribe":true},string=org.webosinternals.saverestore 1255
Jan 20 06:39:48 <rwhitby> and the return ?
Jan 20 06:39:49 <sethron> com.palm.luna <- org.webosinternals.saverestore /com/palm/luna/private/cancel string={"token":1703}
Jan 20 06:40:25 <rwhitby> that's the ack.  there should be a return for 1255
Jan 20 06:41:58 <sethron> com.palm.luna <- org.webosinternals.saveretore string={"stdOut":[20110119T222803-0800"],"returnValue";true}
Jan 20 06:42:21 <rwhitby> that says it worked
Jan 20 06:42:38 <bhuey> folks
Jan 20 06:42:54 * bhuey got word that a leaked version of 2.1.0 came out on Sprint devices
Jan 20 06:43:02 <sethron> hrm, i may have unistalled and reinstalled Frootrees
Jan 20 06:43:14 <rwhitby> you should find a zip file in that timestamped directory under /media/internal/saverestore/com.jakl.frootrees/20110119T222803-800.zip
Jan 20 06:44:12 <rwhitby> bhuey: two isolated reports. I'm calling some glitch in the update server.
Jan 20 06:44:38 <sethron> folder is empty
Jan 20 06:45:02 <rwhitby> oh, have you run frootrees and is there something to save?
Jan 20 06:45:32 <sethron> yes
Jan 20 06:46:13 <sethron> high score 684
Jan 20 06:50:07 <bhuey> rwhitby: hopeful sign regardless
Jan 20 06:50:34 <bhuey> I hoep it runs the db operations way faster than it current does
Jan 20 06:50:39 <sethron> lunberjack log : 2011-01-20T06:43:20.685150Z [73414] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.saverestore: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'style' of undefined, palmInitFramework347:14045
Jan 20 06:50:57 <bhuey> any substantial objects for the messenging app puts a lot of metadata bits into that db
Jan 20 06:51:04 <rwhitby> sethron: that error message is unrelated
Jan 20 06:53:14 <sethron> rwhitby: well, if there are no others with this issue, then it's all me.
Jan 20 06:54:37 <cryptk> rwhitby, installing F14 on Pre2, device had UberKernel on it... isn't it supposed to be able to remove UK and install F14?
Jan 20 06:54:45 <rwhitby> no
Jan 20 06:54:49 <cryptk> or am I supposed to have to manually remove UK before installing
Jan 20 06:54:53 <cryptk> ahh, ok...
Jan 20 06:54:53 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 20 06:55:11 <cryptk> so the bypassing of verification is only for updating from one version of kernel to another version of the same kernel?
Jan 20 06:55:13 <rwhitby> why would one package update a completely unrelated package
Jan 20 06:55:32 <rwhitby> patch foo doesn't affect patch bar, right?
Jan 20 06:55:34 <cryptk> not sure why I thought it would do it... lol
Jan 20 06:55:42 <cryptk> well, kernel and kernel
Jan 20 06:55:47 <rwhitby> patch and patch
Jan 20 06:55:57 <rwhitby> app and app
Jan 20 06:56:36 <cryptk> should we make AUKT able to realize that you are runnign a different non-stock kernel and then do the verification against the stock kernel file backup, then maybe remove previous mod kernel (restoring backup) perhaps one more verification then install?
Jan 20 06:58:17 <rwhitby> no
Jan 20 06:58:22 <cryptk> kk
Jan 20 07:01:00 <cryptk> blargh... F14 no bootie....
Jan 20 07:01:05 <cryptk> why do I always get weak devices...
Jan 20 07:02:50 <cryptk> oooh, rebooted and it looks like it may be coming up
Jan 20 07:08:13 <cryptk> yep, the no-boot appears to be a fluke
Jan 20 11:01:35 <Jack87> hola
Jan 20 16:34:47 * halfhalo has a new shiny private cloud to play with
Jan 20 16:36:33 <halfhalo> well, once I find a better webui I will anywho
Jan 20 16:47:00 <destinal> halfhalo: it's so funny that everything's a cloud now.
Jan 20 16:47:20 <halfhalo> yeah
Jan 20 16:47:35 <halfhalo> finally got eucalyptus running on a server here at work tho
Jan 20 16:48:55 <ka6sox> gum trees make such a mess....why would I want them on my server?
Jan 20 16:49:27 <halfhalo> lol
Jan 20 16:49:39 * halfhalo has api compatible s3 storage as well!
Jan 20 16:50:38 <destinal> halfhalo: so what, basically you can write code for amazon's cloud service and the same code will work in your private cloud system too?
Jan 20 16:50:47 <halfhalo> pretty much
Jan 20 16:51:43 <destinal> I guess it's good in that enterprises become more turnkey / plug and play and individual teams can develop to a standard api / service set
Jan 20 16:52:42 <halfhalo> yeah
Jan 20 16:53:02 <halfhalo> and with the s3 clone we don't have to worry about file hosting/load anymore
Jan 20 16:53:16 * halfhalo actually used rm -rf / in real life just now
Jan 20 16:56:03 <halfhalo> crap.... forgot about grub...
Jan 20 16:56:13 * halfhalo now has to break grub to make everything work
Jan 20 17:02:31 * halfhalo is screwed
Jan 20 17:03:05 <geist> ec2 ftw
Jan 20 17:03:13 * halfhalo can't fix this
Jan 20 17:03:18 <geist> i fooled around with some instances the other day, now i just need to figure out what to do with it
Jan 20 17:04:01 <halfhalo> s3/walrus has native torrent support, which is coo
Jan 20 17:06:18 <halfhalo> grrr stupid bios pw
Jan 20 17:12:41 * halfhalo is about || close to breaking into this desktop to get rid of the stupid bios pw which he does not have
Jan 20 17:12:43 <RagingMind> screwdrivers can fix that
Jan 20 17:13:14 <halfhalo> except it apparently has intrusion detection enabled
Jan 20 17:13:28 <RagingMind> that could be awkward
Jan 20 17:23:53 <bcolbs> does any one know if there is an engineering mode for the palm pre like net monitro for nokia phones?
Jan 20 17:25:52 <RagingMind> bcolbs, what's special about their engineering modes?
Jan 20 17:27:08 <RagingMind> a patch to turn on bluetooth whenever the phone is put on a touchstone would be pretty nifty
Jan 20 17:27:17 <bcolbs> to be honest I'm really new to this but i have to preform call testing for t-mobile sites and need to be able to monitor cell id's nieghbor cells rx and stuff like that
Jan 20 17:28:42 <RagingMind> I haven't heard of anything like that...
Jan 20 17:29:20 <destinal> bcolbs: I think there's a GSM diag code you can put into the dialer but I don't know offhand
Jan 20 17:29:59 <RagingMind> anyone know of a mostly complete list of the special codes for the dialer?
Jan 20 17:31:20 <bcolbs> Destinal your right and i have been able to use that however I need to also monitor when I'm idle or on a dedicated call. Nokia's Net Monitor let's you do this but I was hoping to do it from my Pre
Jan 20 17:31:54 <destinal> bcolbs: I mean, there's a code for the pre too but I don't know offhand what it is or how much info it gives you
Jan 20 17:32:17 <bcolbs> the sprint code to see it ##33284 then press talk
Jan 20 17:32:53 <RagingMind> go go google! http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Hash_Codes
Jan 20 17:33:08 <RagingMind> for some reason I couldn't find that page the last time I searched  *shrugs*
Jan 20 17:33:24 <bcolbs> it gives all the information but you cant dial another number when you are using it. i didn't know if someone has created an app for this type of thing yet
Jan 20 17:35:42 <RagingMind> can you make the call then type in the debug thing as a second number?
Jan 20 17:37:34 <bcolbs> Yes. Unfortunately it resides in the phone app itself so it makes it difficult to do real testing because if i'm not mistaken the debug is actually is an active call and not just idle correct?
Jan 20 17:38:02 <bcolbs> Thanks for that list by the way
Jan 20 17:40:10 <RagingMind> heh, now I'm playing with the codes.  but I have a cdma phone and the debug one doesn't do anything
Jan 20 17:40:53 <RagingMind> someday I'll probably tinker my phone into an electronic coma
Jan 20 17:41:55 <bcolbs> i wish there was a way to put this in app and use the dialer like normal. or a patch where you can just see these stas from the top bar drop down menu
Jan 20 17:42:08 <bcolbs> Yeah be careful\
Jan 20 17:43:32 <RagingMind> even when I had a RAZR I was constantly fiddling with things and special modes.  it's my nature
Jan 20 18:21:05 <lumines> dtzWill: any new progress on vba for the pixi? :)
Jan 20 18:23:41 <RagingMind> bcolbs, did you try asking in #webos?
Jan 20 18:27:02 <bcolbs> no i will try there. thanks
Jan 20 18:32:34 <RagingMind> looking through the hash codes I'm pleasantly surprised to find ##cellardoor#
Jan 20 18:46:32 <cryptk> RagingMind, that hash code does nothing on my device /dunno
Jan 20 18:46:54 <RagingMind> I just saw it in the list, it made me happy
Jan 20 18:47:10 <cryptk> heh, well at least on my Pre2 it is non-functional
Jan 20 18:47:19 <cryptk> as far as I can tell
Jan 20 18:47:26 <halfhalo> DUNDUNDUN
Jan 20 18:47:32 <cryptk> for all I know it is silently formatting my rootfs as we speak, lol
Jan 20 18:47:54 <halfhalo> DUNDUNDUN
Jan 20 18:48:22 * halfhalo goes back to adding a node to eucalyptus
Jan 20 18:49:32 <halfhalo> because it is the awesome
Jan 20 18:49:59 <RagingMind> on mine it toggles and experimental mode and I have no clue what that is/does
Jan 20 18:50:24 <RagingMind> cryptk, did you enter ## or #*?
Jan 20 18:50:33 <cryptk> ##
Jan 20 18:50:44 <cryptk> like all other hash codes on my device (it's CDMA)
Jan 20 18:50:47 <RagingMind> gsm phones use #*
Jan 20 18:50:56 <cryptk> my Pre2 is not GSM, it's CDMA
Jan 20 18:50:56 <RagingMind> you said pre2?
Jan 20 18:51:02 <RagingMind> ah
Jan 20 18:51:16 <cryptk> I swapped it (last night actually)
Jan 20 18:51:36 <halfhalo> crazy hacker people with their 'swapping' and their 'kernels' and their 'pants'
Jan 20 18:51:42 <RagingMind> swapped the radio?
Jan 20 18:52:27 <RagingMind> the controls for hash codes are in the .js files for the dialer app, so unless those are swapped too, you probably still need #* maybe?
Jan 20 18:53:36 <cryptk> RagingMind, nope, it is reflashed etc
Jan 20 18:53:42 <cryptk> my codes on my Pre2 are ##
Jan 20 18:53:52 <cryptk> ##DEVMODE# works, #*DEVMODE# does not
Jan 20 18:54:38 <cryptk> lol @ halfhalo
Jan 20 18:55:09 <halfhalo> :D
Jan 20 20:39:28 <sethron> ping ka6sox
Jan 20 20:42:52 <ka6sox> sethron, pong?
Jan 20 20:43:24 <sethron> ka6sox: www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/ how can I help?
Jan 20 20:44:10 <rwhitby> bcolbs: yes, there is a DM monitor tool in the AT&T GSM 1.4.5 doctor which has engineering mode functionality
Jan 20 20:44:49 <ka6sox> sethron, we will need help manning the booth.
Jan 20 20:45:22 <ka6sox> answering questions, showing people how cool our devices are :D
Jan 20 20:45:25 <SineOtter> haha
Jan 20 20:45:34 <SineOtter> ka6sox: I'd be down for that... I think
Jan 20 20:45:40 <rwhitby> ka6sox: looks like @christefano wants to help too
Jan 20 20:45:51 <sethron> ka6sox: i'm down
Jan 20 20:46:16 <ka6sox> SineOtter, okay kewl
Jan 20 20:46:33 <halfhalo> this will end badly... AWESOME
Jan 20 20:46:54 <ka6sox> ~lart halfhalo
Jan 20 20:46:55 * infobot tries to shut halfhalo up
Jan 20 20:47:02 <halfhalo> :p
Jan 20 20:47:04 <SineOtter> actually, no I won't!
Jan 20 20:47:17 <SineOtter> or wait
Jan 20 20:47:20 <SineOtter> yes I will
Jan 20 20:47:26 <SineOtter> lol I'll get it figured out later :p
Jan 20 20:47:30 <ka6sox> kay
Jan 20 20:47:45 <ka6sox> lart is MEAN.
Jan 20 20:47:46 <SineOtter> need to figure out my school schedule that weekend
Jan 20 20:48:03 <SineOtter> and on that note, off to classes I go
Jan 20 20:49:14 <halfhalo> hehehe...
Jan 20 20:50:15 <halfhalo> OFF TO JERSEY MIKES!
Jan 21 00:07:26 * scoutcamper notes webos-internals.org tux upgraded to a Pre2
Jan 21 00:08:50 <halfhalo> lulz
Jan 21 00:14:21 <Loudergood> even the favicon? ;)
Jan 21 00:14:29 * Loudergood loves to bug people about favicons
Jan 21 00:15:02 <scoutcamper> Loudergood, you cant even see the favicon!
Jan 21 00:15:17 <Loudergood> I can tell it's not a pixi!
Jan 21 00:15:26 <scoutcamper> Loudergood, i am assuming Templarian did this black majic, ask him
Jan 21 00:15:27 <Loudergood> if I squint really really hard
Jan 21 00:16:17 <Loudergood> actually I use the bookmark toolbar on firefox and have them just show the favicon, so I notice those things
Jan 21 00:24:51 * Templarian looks around... nope the pre just got scaled it is still a pre 1.
Jan 21 00:24:55 <Templarian> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_Graphics#Palm_Pre_Icons_.28FamFamFam_Silk_Style.29 <-
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