**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 30 02:59:57 2011
Jan 30 03:26:55 <quotemstr> Does FreeTether work with WebOS 2?
Jan 30 03:27:23 <ka6sox> uh....it was *written* for webOS?
Jan 30 03:27:42 <rwhitby> quotemstr: yes, it does.
Jan 30 03:27:59 <quotemstr> ka6sox: The version. I'm not a mouthbreathing cretin who spells "too" as a number.
Jan 30 03:28:04 <quotemstr> rwhitby: Awesome! Thanks.
Jan 30 03:28:30 <ka6sox> quotemstr, interesting.
Jan 30 09:09:14 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Jan 30 09:12:19 <Jack87> PatrickC_Pre,
Jan 30 09:12:26 <Jack87> go to bed yo!
Jan 30 09:12:32 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it goin?
Jan 30 09:12:34 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 30 09:12:43 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm running electrical :)
Jan 30 09:13:08 <Jack87> electrical?
Jan 30 09:13:16 <PatrickC_Pre> yep w/ my dad
Jan 30 09:13:27 <PatrickC_Pre> fun fun fun! lol
Jan 30 09:13:41 <Jack87> why at this hour
Jan 30 09:13:44 <wgreenhouse> home rewiring with family is always such a touching moment
Jan 30 09:13:48 <wgreenhouse> and/or shocking
Jan 30 09:13:52 <PatrickC_Pre> its not that late ;)
Jan 30 09:13:59 <PatrickC_Pre> its only 315
Jan 30 09:13:59 <Jack87> lo
Jan 30 09:14:07 <Jack87> haha dude its past your bedtime
Jan 30 09:14:12 <PatrickC_Pre> lol wgreenhouse :)
Jan 30 09:14:49 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pre: my girlfriend's uncle is an IBMer, since he was a kid the best way to keep him quiet and well-behaved at family events is to give him a wiring project
Jan 30 09:14:53 <wgreenhouse> or a disassembly project
Jan 30 09:14:58 * Jack87 is about to start heading home (at school studying)
Jan 30 09:15:23 <PatrickC_Pre> we have teens coming over later tonight, and are going to be out almost all day today (referring to sunday)
Jan 30 09:15:28 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Jan 30 09:15:48 <Jack87> PatrickC_Pre, what the f*ck... where does sleep come into this plan?
Jan 30 09:16:03 <PatrickC_Pre> who needs sleep lol
Jan 30 09:16:10 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll sleep when I'm dead ;)
Jan 30 09:16:18 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: as a student, you know...work and play are mandatory, sleep is optional
Jan 30 09:16:29 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, indeed :)
Jan 30 09:16:49 <PatrickC_Pre> any new leaks?
Jan 30 09:16:53 <Jack87> 2:16am still at school (mixed up work day witih play day oops)
Jan 30 09:17:10 <PatrickC_Pre> its 316 here
Jan 30 09:17:15 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pre: leaks?  like sexy tablet stuff?
Jan 30 09:17:23 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Jan 30 09:17:24 <wgreenhouse> not that I've heard.
Jan 30 09:17:58 <wgreenhouse> I made a messed-up discovery with my Pre Plus and freeTether today, btw--it's both awesome and kind of sad
Jan 30 09:18:39 <wgreenhouse> so, I have an hp mini netbook, running debian, with an irritatingly bad broadcom wifi card that flakes out and drops all over the place
Jan 30 09:19:03 <PatrickC_Pre> then use USB
Jan 30 09:19:09 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pre: hold on, hold on
Jan 30 09:19:17 <PatrickC_Pre> ok lol
Jan 30 09:19:47 <wgreenhouse> I tried USB tethering, which worked easily--just "dhclient usb0" and I was on.  but I discovered, since I was sitting on my apartment, that the net I was getting tethered into the Mini was actually my home wifi
Jan 30 09:20:00 <wgreenhouse> and it stayed connected longer than my HP ever has on its own. :-P
Jan 30 09:20:15 <wgreenhouse> awesome: I can use the Palm as an external Wifi antenna
Jan 30 09:20:20 <Jack87> hehe
Jan 30 09:20:21 <wgreenhouse> suck: this actually helps.  how pathetic.
Jan 30 09:20:28 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, you is funny :)
Jan 30 09:20:44 <Jack87> PatrickC_Pre, you are familiar with that method eh? :)
Jan 30 09:20:54 <wgreenhouse> srsly, though, my Pre seems to be a champ at wifi
Jan 30 09:20:55 <PatrickC_Pre> I use my pre as an internal wifi antenna
Jan 30 09:21:00 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Jan 30 09:21:08 <PatrickC_Pre> my pc don't have wifi ;(
Jan 30 09:21:09 <wgreenhouse> almost as nice as the card on my big ol' Toshiba
Jan 30 09:21:13 <wgreenhouse> and way nicer than the HP's
Jan 30 09:21:25 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pre: hehe, you should try tethering into the phone over USB then :)
Jan 30 09:21:26 <wgreenhouse> will help
Jan 30 09:21:39 <PatrickC_Pre> I do
Jan 30 09:21:42 <wgreenhouse> ah cool
Jan 30 09:21:44 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, thats what he does
Jan 30 09:21:48 <PatrickC_Pre> I have to get going ;(
Jan 30 09:21:54 <Jack87> thats why i said he would know about the method as i suggested it to him
Jan 30 09:21:56 <PatrickC_Pre> time for more electrical! lol
Jan 30 09:22:02 <SineOt> oddly enough, my Pre has way worse wifi than my Mac Mini does
Jan 30 09:22:02 <wgreenhouse> cya PatrickC_Pre good luck with the wiring
Jan 30 09:22:06 <SineOt> or really any of my wifi devices
Jan 30 09:22:13 <wgreenhouse> SineOt: hmm.  what other devices?
Jan 30 09:22:14 <Jack87> PatrickC_Pre, have fun
Jan 30 09:22:23 <SineOt> Nook 3G+Wifi, DS :p
Jan 30 09:22:27 <wgreenhouse> ah k
Jan 30 09:22:46 <PatrickC_Pre> cyall
Jan 30 09:23:01 <wgreenhouse> SineOt: is it possible that the antennae on Pres differ in quality, due to how the wires were placed/got jostled during manufacture?
Jan 30 09:23:11 <wgreenhouse> I feel like my HP's wifi antenna might just be a lemon.
Jan 30 09:23:14 <wgreenhouse> the range is incredibly bad
Jan 30 09:23:29 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, antenna might just be disconnected from the card
Jan 30 09:23:36 <wgreenhouse> ah...hmm.
Jan 30 09:23:37 <Jack87> take it apart and look its an easy snap on thing
Jan 30 09:23:51 <SineOt> I think it's probably more just our router
Jan 30 09:23:57 <SineOt> it's a crap box
Jan 30 09:24:08 <SineOt> Pre will complain of either not seeing the network or being unable to get an IP
Jan 30 09:24:13 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: on my netbook you mean?
Jan 30 09:24:21 <Jack87> yes
Jan 30 09:24:24 <Jack87> take it apart
Jan 30 09:24:35 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: it is pretty flush construction, I'm not confident of my ability to get it back together again
Jan 30 09:24:38 * Jack87 has taken apart both his acer and asus... and replaced wifi card
Jan 30 09:24:44 <wgreenhouse> looks like it'd be worse than opening a Mac or something
Jan 30 09:24:56 <Jack87> nah their not that bad on the minis
Jan 30 09:25:02 <wgreenhouse> orly?  okay.
Jan 30 09:25:02 <Jack87> go look up tear down instructions
Jan 30 09:25:09 <Jack87> but first
Jan 30 09:25:13 <Jack87> look underneat
Jan 30 09:25:18 <Jack87> there should be a removable mannel
Jan 30 09:25:32 <Jack87> pannel (some of the newer ones have em)
Jan 30 09:25:46 <wgreenhouse> I don't see anything--looks flush except for the battery area
Jan 30 09:26:00 <wgreenhouse> there's some weird stuff behind the battery, I know, like even a SIM card port
Jan 30 09:26:10 <wgreenhouse> but nothing that looks like I can take off a panel
Jan 30 09:26:12 <Jack87> how old is it
Jan 30 09:26:19 <Jack87> also prolly screws are under rubber legs
Jan 30 09:26:27 <wgreenhouse> yeah, that yes
Jan 30 09:26:35 <SineOt> yeah cracking open a netbook is just so not worth the time
Jan 30 09:26:45 <Jack87> SineOt, its really not that bad
Jan 30 09:26:49 <SineOt> it's as crammed as a Mac but way less nicely thought out
Jan 30 09:26:51 <Jack87> takes 5-10min
Jan 30 09:27:04 <SineOt> yeah, and then you have to hope that the plastics used didn't suck P:
Jan 30 09:27:05 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: it's an HP Mini 210, as was on sale at Radio Shack last spring.  Has an Intel Atom N450.
Jan 30 09:27:36 <Jack87> less than 5min :)
Jan 30 09:27:37 <Jack87>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIBCLS9MuM
Jan 30 09:27:44 <wgreenhouse> thanks Jack87
Jan 30 09:28:06 <Jack87> haha it has orange buttons
Jan 30 09:28:09 <Jack87> nice
Jan 30 09:28:18 <wgreenhouse> and yeah, it's kind of not a big deal--now that I have this rather shapely wifi antenna to tether into it
Jan 30 09:28:25 <Jack87> i was wodnering what those were for (i was helping a co worker with their mini last week)
Jan 30 09:28:37 <Jack87> haha doesnt get easier than that
Jan 30 09:28:40 <Jack87> SineOt, are you looking
Jan 30 09:28:55 <SineOt> hm?
Jan 30 09:28:56 <Jack87> see the wifi card on the left bottom corner
Jan 30 09:29:01 <SineOt> oh, mine was an MSI Wind U100
Jan 30 09:29:17 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: maybe I'll give it a go
Jan 30 09:29:19 <SineOt> found out that it had sheered two screwposts through regular use even before I had tried to open it
Jan 30 09:29:27 <wgreenhouse> I do really like this computer, other than the broadcom wifi issues
Jan 30 09:29:30 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, check to see if antenta is connected
Jan 30 09:30:11 * Jack87 likes broadcom cards.... had to put one into his acer for mac book nano hackintosh 
Jan 30 09:30:43 <wgreenhouse> the realtek driver in my old '06 Toshiba laptop is fantastic
Jan 30 09:30:45 <Jack87> lol wgreenhouse haha it cant be any easier to take that thing apart
Jan 30 09:30:49 <wgreenhouse> excellent range, it's the perfect sniffing card
Jan 30 09:31:06 <wgreenhouse> er realtek card
Jan 30 09:31:10 <wgreenhouse> but the driver too I guess
Jan 30 09:31:11 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, double check those antenna connections
Jan 30 09:31:19 <wgreenhouse> will do Jack87
Jan 30 09:31:23 <wgreenhouse> just not at 4:30 in the morning
Jan 30 09:31:31 <wgreenhouse> that's as bad as doing it drunk, lol
Jan 30 09:31:37 <Jack87> lol i have done both
Jan 30 09:31:43 <Jack87> dont make fun
Jan 30 09:31:52 * wgreenhouse doesn't step
Jan 30 09:31:56 <Jack87> i had to deal with screws! you have orange buttons
Jan 30 09:32:04 <Jack87> :)
Jan 30 09:32:29 <wgreenhouse> but yeah, the Satellite A215 picks up stuff freakishly far away
Jan 30 09:32:50 <Jack87> My Satellite Atheros is nice.. but the comptuer is junk
Jan 30 09:32:54 <wgreenhouse> not sure exactly why, I don't understand antennae
Jan 30 09:33:17 <Jack87> well.. it was junk after every warrenty repair till the class action suit made them extend warrenty finally repaired it right the last time
Jan 30 09:33:23 <Jack87> since than its been running nice
Jan 30 09:33:26 <wgreenhouse> ha.
Jan 30 09:33:57 <Jack87> those lawsuits do the trick apparently
Jan 30 09:33:57 <wgreenhouse> was it the randomized BIOS password lawsuit?
Jan 30 09:34:04 <wgreenhouse> I benefited from that one
Jan 30 09:34:08 <Jack87> no no
Jan 30 09:34:08 <wgreenhouse> when my Satellite locked me out
Jan 30 09:34:12 <Jack87> physical issues on the damn thing
Jan 30 09:34:18 <wgreenhouse> ok
Jan 30 09:34:42 <Jack87> i didnt get money. i just finally got a real warranty repair after it had expired
Jan 30 09:35:02 <Jack87> rather than the working for 2months and breaking again BS
Jan 30 09:35:12 <wgreenhouse> yeah, f#$! that
Jan 30 09:35:35 <wgreenhouse> for me, there was a recall for a BIOS password problem, that locked me out of the system in spring '09, that's when I bought the Mini
Jan 30 09:35:41 <wgreenhouse> wasn't sure if the Satellite would ever boot again
Jan 30 09:36:00 <wgreenhouse> took them about a month to do whatever they did, but works well now
Jan 30 09:36:06 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, thats when you pull cmos battery
Jan 30 09:36:26 <Jack87> did you see the round battery in that video of the mini
Jan 30 09:36:29 <Jack87> thats cmos battery
Jan 30 09:36:29 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: Toshiba BIOS had protection against that
Jan 30 09:36:41 <wgreenhouse> security features screwed me
Jan 30 09:36:45 <Jack87> lame
Jan 30 09:36:57 <wgreenhouse> but, free warranty repair, anyway
Jan 30 09:37:12 * Jack87 will never buy a satalite again
Jan 30 09:37:15 <wgreenhouse> now it is the media component of my little home Debian cluster
Jan 30 09:37:47 <Jack87> but gave that one to parrents still going strong
Jan 30 09:37:52 <Jack87> pentium 4 from 04
Jan 30 09:37:54 <Jack87> :)
Jan 30 09:38:04 <Jack87> works really well actually'
Jan 30 09:38:28 <Jack87> no more over heating either it used to so bad before that last warranty repair
Jan 30 09:38:40 <wgreenhouse> ah, that was the CPU thermal paste lawsuit, huh?
Jan 30 09:38:54 <Jack87> wgreenhouse, prolly :)
Jan 30 09:39:30 <Jack87> I know there was a few other issues with that model at the time
Jan 30 09:40:01 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: that thermal paste problem hit a whole bunch of laptops at sorta the height of laptop power/heat
Jan 30 09:40:08 <wgreenhouse> a lot of MacBooks were crippled by it too
Jan 30 09:40:27 <wgreenhouse> apparently manufacturers at several companies didn't realize that if you globbed too much of the stuff on, it actually worked as an insulator
Jan 30 09:40:31 <wgreenhouse> literally baking the CPU
Jan 30 09:40:55 <Jack87> haha
Jan 30 09:41:16 <wgreenhouse> does that sound like your story?
Jan 30 09:42:09 <Jack87> I had paid $1500 for that computer at the time (poor high school kid) it was depressing
Jan 30 09:42:26 <Jack87> ya sounds about right.
Jan 30 09:42:59 <Jack87> I just remember I was excited when I got letter in the mail in september that they will extend the warranty another year
Jan 30 09:43:12 <wgreenhouse> nice.
Jan 30 09:43:22 <wgreenhouse> well, not nice that all that shit had to happen first
Jan 30 09:43:38 <wgreenhouse> but yeah, mine's still going too, although I rarely use it as a mobile computer now that I have the Mini
Jan 30 09:44:20 <Jack87> in dec of the previous year I got it repaired lessed than 30 days it was fried it was end of warranty. got it repaired again 'out' of warranty but within 30 days of last repair
Jan 30 09:44:38 <Jack87> also remember being out a computer for a few months due to back order of parts
Jan 30 09:45:15 <wgreenhouse> yeah.  man.
Jan 30 09:45:35 <Jack87> haha $1500 bucks saved up since I was a kid when I was 16 I put it towards a laptop so exciting than so depressing
Jan 30 09:45:44 * wgreenhouse wonders what they did differently this latest time
Jan 30 09:45:47 <Jack87> kids now a days get laptops annually.
Jan 30 09:46:02 <wgreenhouse> maybe whole new mainboard?
Jan 30 09:46:18 <wgreenhouse> CPUs don't really ever recover from being baked.
Jan 30 09:46:33 <Jack87> been running strong since 06 after last repair with no issues
Jan 30 09:46:43 <wgreenhouse> yeah, probably new mainboard
Jan 30 09:46:57 <wgreenhouse> with the *correct* amount of paste applied this time
Jan 30 09:46:59 <Jack87> oh they replaced the main board on almost every 'repair'
Jan 30 09:47:22 <wgreenhouse> huh.  weird.
Jan 30 09:47:25 <Jack87> same issue everytime
Jan 30 09:47:57 <Jack87> I know this because on one of the board usb port was fucked and after 'repair' it was fixed
Jan 30 09:48:14 <Jack87> I didn't break it though just crappy quality
Jan 30 09:48:33 <Jack87> hard to believe at 1500 bucks but that was 'cheap' for laptops at the time.
Jan 30 09:49:00 <wgreenhouse> yeah I know
Jan 30 09:49:04 <Jack87> but I got 'high quality' one haha
Jan 30 09:49:11 <wgreenhouse> hehe
Jan 30 09:49:21 <wgreenhouse> the build on my Toshiba has been impressive, it's sustained several major impacts
Jan 30 09:49:27 <wgreenhouse> has giant dents
Jan 30 09:50:05 <Jack87> usb 2.0 and ati vid card with p4 in a laptop was a big deal
Jan 30 09:50:21 <Jack87> nice
Jan 30 09:52:06 <wgreenhouse> one of them actually has a hole. :)
Jan 30 09:52:17 <wgreenhouse> in black plastic trim around keyboard
Jan 30 09:52:26 <Jack87> by the way. if you have  wifi issues w/ a computer due to linux fresh install and needing toenable drivers...
Jan 30 09:52:32 <wgreenhouse> that was all that happened when it hit the ground from a desk, lower-right corner first
Jan 30 09:52:44 <Jack87> your pre is your best friend
Jan 30 09:53:05 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: yeah, especially since USB net support in Debian (my usual distro choice) is nice and easy
Jan 30 09:53:18 <wgreenhouse> "dhclient usb0 &" just worked to get online with the Pre
Jan 30 09:53:35 <Jack87> yup
Jan 30 09:54:14 <Jack87> sorry 'off topic' but figured id mention it
Jan 30 09:54:50 <Jack87> sucks when you don't have ethernet connection handy
Jan 30 09:55:19 <wgreenhouse> yeah
Jan 30 09:55:28 <wgreenhouse> as I often don't when I break a laptop with too much hacking, lol
Jan 30 09:55:44 <Jack87> I always seem to forget this tip when I need it
Jan 30 09:56:15 <wgreenhouse> Jack87: inscribe it on your memory.  to save a linux box, you need two things:  a livecd/liveusb, and your Pre :)
Jan 30 09:56:21 <wgreenhouse> very cool.
Jan 30 09:56:36 <Jack87> :)
Jan 30 09:58:38 * Jack87 been driving home
Jan 30 09:58:49 <wgreenhouse> the Mini's BIOS accepts LiveSDs, which is wacky and cool
Jan 30 09:58:53 <wgreenhouse> k, later Jack87
Jan 30 09:59:27 <Jack87> lol I been driving and chatting
Jan 30 09:59:32 <wgreenhouse> oh
Jan 30 09:59:33 <wgreenhouse> man
Jan 30 10:00:12 <Jack87> switched to wirc all sneaky like.
Jan 30 10:00:54 <wgreenhouse> I do ZNC to keep connected to {bitlbee,oftc,freenode}, so I hop on and off all sneaky too
Jan 30 10:01:18 <Jack87> works great
Jan 30 10:02:08 <Jack87> no cars at 3am
Jan 30 10:02:24 <Jack87> keep me posted about the mini
Jan 30 10:02:42 <wgreenhouse> will do, think I'm gonna try sleeping now
Jan 30 10:02:49 <wgreenhouse> later
Jan 30 10:03:16 <Jack87> night
Jan 30 10:33:03 <mpingu> Hey sry for the little offtopic question any of you guys know a good gps geotagging app i want to use my palm pre as a geotagging thingy for my DSLR
Jan 30 10:36:15 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Jan 31 02:13:00 <Tibfib> oil / rwhitby is there a way in impostah to see how large a db8 database is?
Jan 31 02:15:28 <Tibfib> also, is the unique id under profile deviceid? or is there an actual profile id in 2.0?
Jan 31 02:16:09 <rwhitby> Tibfib: which database specifically?
Jan 31 02:16:17 <Tibfib> one of my own
Jan 31 02:16:26 <rwhitby> no, the unique id
Jan 31 02:16:46 <Tibfib> what do you mean?
Jan 31 02:17:28 <rwhitby> which database are you looking for a unique id in ?
Jan 31 02:17:38 <Tibfib> under catalog, then palm profile
Jan 31 02:17:52 <rwhitby> BTW, as far as I know, there is a single db8 database, so no way to see individual sizes
Jan 31 02:18:09 <Tibfib> oh, well is there a way to see how much is there?
Jan 31 02:18:12 <Tibfib> that'd be second best
Jan 31 02:18:27 <rwhitby> df /var/db ?
Jan 31 02:18:47 * Tibfib likes apps :)
Jan 31 02:18:51 <Tibfib> that do stuff
Jan 31 02:19:05 <Tibfib> I was just saying, as a user that'd be useful to me in impostah
Jan 31 02:19:34 <rwhitby> it'd be even more useful for Palm to show it somewhere :)
Jan 31 02:19:43 <Tibfib> haha very true
Jan 31 02:20:09 <rwhitby> I'll have to fill up db8 one day and see how webOS reacts to it
Jan 31 02:20:47 <Tibfib> 20% of db8 used. not bad.. not great.
Jan 31 02:21:05 <Tibfib> I have more data on my phone than I expect most users
Jan 31 02:21:08 <Tibfib> will have
Jan 31 02:22:13 <Tibfib> back to my earlier question, so do we now have unique profile ids?
Jan 31 02:22:41 <Tibfib> that we developers can use to identify users?
Jan 31 02:24:55 <rwhitby> well, each palm profile has an email address, but that can be changed by the user at will
Jan 31 02:25:10 <rwhitby> the token field changes each time you log into the profile
Jan 31 02:25:25 <Tibfib> but what about uniqueId?
Jan 31 02:25:28 <rwhitby> maybe the uniqueid field is what you're looking for, but I can't say for sure
Jan 31 02:25:40 <Tibfib> gotcha
Jan 31 02:25:43 <rwhitby> and you can't get it from mojo as far as I know
Jan 31 02:25:47 <Tibfib> dangit
Jan 31 02:25:58 * rwhitby bbl
Jan 31 02:26:07 <Tibfib> cya, thanks for answering questions
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