**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 31 02:59:57 2011
Jan 31 03:12:52 <destinal> wgreenhouse: no reason your pre can't be your bootable "liveusb" too
Jan 31 03:13:22 <destinal> so in that case to save a linux box, all you need is a pre :)
Jan 31 03:16:33 <Jack87> destinal, i was thinking the same thin
Jan 31 03:19:06 <destinal> one awesome thing would be an app you could download to set up the bootable disk for you from the pre itself so you need no computer
Jan 31 03:19:11 <destinal> hmmm
Jan 31 03:24:35 <Loudergood> I know just the linux program...if only I can remember its name
Jan 31 03:25:37 <Loudergood> unetbootin
Jan 31 03:28:58 <destinal> Loudergood: no
Jan 31 03:29:45 <Loudergood> no?
Jan 31 03:30:05 <destinal> Loudergood: err, actually, yes.  :)
Jan 31 03:31:23 <destinal> the ISO's supported by unetbootin seem to be pretty large for just rescue, but would work fine
Jan 31 03:31:44 <Jack87> how big is it
Jan 31 03:32:11 <Loudergood> well, it should be open source so you could change it ;)
Jan 31 03:32:50 <destinal> yeah, I'll have to look at it
Jan 31 03:33:14 <destinal> Jack87: well unetbootin wants an ISO image of like ubuntu or whatever, so 700+ mb or something
Jan 31 03:33:35 <destinal> though actually damn small linux and puppy linux are supported too
Jan 31 03:33:50 <Jack87> oh nice
Jan 31 03:34:06 * Jack87 likes dsl
Jan 31 03:34:27 * halfhalo likes ubuntu
Jan 31 03:35:51 * Loudergood likes debian
Jan 31 03:36:07 <Loudergood> granted I use sid, so I don't like the long freezes
Jan 31 03:51:56 <Jack87> hey is it possible to make that program and a gui end with a service?
Jan 31 03:52:28 <Jack87> sure be a handy tool to have around
Jan 31 04:16:49 <destinal> Jack87: yeah, should be possible.  the question is whether we'd want it to just modify your "usb drive" to do it or whether we'd want to have an additional virtual usb drive
Jan 31 04:18:00 <Jack87> ooo
Jan 31 04:18:07 <Jack87> i like the idea of the virtual usb drive
Jan 31 04:18:49 <Jack87> destinal, .... how about a second bootable partition
Jan 31 04:20:40 <destinal> I'm not very familiar with the usb gadget driver that makes this the usb drive mode work, but I wonder if it's possible to make a disk image on the /media/internal partition appear to be a second drive
Jan 31 04:21:41 <Jack87> well i know some of the sand disk flash drives are able to look like they have a virtual cd drive
Jan 31 04:21:47 <Loudergood> essentially load the iso as a drive..
Jan 31 04:21:47 <Jack87> when plugged in...
Jan 31 04:21:59 <Loudergood> I think there's a linux tool for that already too
Jan 31 04:22:43 <Jack87> might be fairly easy without anything needed on the webos half to conver the internal usb drive to have a bootable virtual cd
Jan 31 04:22:43 <destinal> Loudergood: well, loading the iso as a drive on the system itself is just mount -o loop
Jan 31 04:23:22 <destinal> Loudergood: but the gadget probably does things differently from mounting
Jan 31 04:23:28 <destinal> not sure though
Jan 31 05:25:39 <PatrickC_Pre> hi
Jan 31 18:21:40 <destinal> http://www.precentral.net/webos-and-shr-dual-booted-pre
Jan 31 18:21:58 <destinal> https://github.com/slyon/bootr
Jan 31 18:23:21 <destinal> looks like rather than multi-boot it's multi-init, but still
Jan 31 18:38:16 <destinal> checked out the code, very much hard coded for those two distributions down to the frame buffer images used for the two logos together, but neat nonetheless
Jan 31 18:38:58 <halfhalo> ewww, hardcoded stuff
Jan 31 18:49:13 <GNUtoo|laptop> destinal, hi so will you try SHR when it will be ready ? :)
Jan 31 18:53:16 <RagingMind> destinal, so it still boots the regular pre kernel then runs a different init and gui stuff?
Jan 31 19:22:07 <destinal> RagingMind: you can run various linux distributions from the same kernel and have init load different root filesystems
Jan 31 19:22:14 <destinal> that's what's being done here
Jan 31 19:22:34 <RagingMind> ah, nifty
Jan 31 19:22:55 <RagingMind> that makes a lot more sense to me over trying to actually multiboot
Jan 31 19:26:09 <destinal> well, it's a lot easier than writing a bootloader / chainloader / something that can kexec another kernel, etc
Jan 31 19:27:01 <destinal> downside is you may want to run different kernels or different kernel boot args, and you can't do that here
Jan 31 19:51:49 <archit_> +dtzWill: hi
Jan 31 19:53:39 <dtzWill> archit_: 'ello :D
Jan 31 19:53:51 <dtzWill> slightly busy, but what can i do ya for?
Jan 31 19:54:18 <archit_> +dtzWill: I have been working on webos for the development of a 2d game...
Jan 31 19:55:03 <dtzWill> cool! :)
Jan 31 19:55:18 <archit_> +dtzWill: I just wanted to know b/w Sdl n es which wold be better for its development
Jan 31 19:55:20 <archit_> ?
Jan 31 19:56:26 <dtzWill> i suppose it depends on your familarity with both of those systems, and the visual complexity of your game.
Jan 31 19:57:22 <archit_> its only elementry graphics.
Jan 31 19:58:12 <dtzWill> sdl is probably the easiest and therefore the best.
Jan 31 19:58:13 <archit_> formally I didn't knew that webos does not support opengl and I developed the game in that
Jan 31 19:58:36 <dtzWill> archit_: well opengl -> opengl es seems better than rewriting entirely in SDL
Jan 31 19:59:38 <dtzWill> by better i mean easily, and potentially a higher quality result
Jan 31 20:01:31 <dtzWill> archit_: for further discussion perhaps some other lurkers will pipe up, else might wanna ask in #webos if you haven't.
Jan 31 20:02:05 <dtzWill> nominally #webos is the appropriate forum for this kinda discussion :)
Jan 31 20:02:27 * dtzWill wanders off
Jan 31 20:02:31 <RagingMind> dtzWill, they pointed him to you in here
Jan 31 20:02:34 <archit_> +dtzWill:actually a user in webos refered your name
Jan 31 20:03:20 <archit_> can you help me find some good tutorials to es
Jan 31 20:03:21 <archit_> ?
Jan 31 20:03:30 <destinal> dtzWill: that was me, you're the best I know on IRC at this
Jan 31 20:03:37 <destinal> archit_: dtzWill: have you seen this iPhone 3d programming book?   http://iphone-3d-programming.labs.oreilly.com/   looks like the majority of the text would apply
Jan 31 20:03:52 <destinal> and you can read the whole thing online or buy the physical book
Jan 31 20:04:21 <archit_> would it work on palm?
Jan 31 20:04:51 <RagingMind> archit_, a quick web search brought up a bunch of stuff on going from opengl to opengl es
Jan 31 20:05:19 <destinal> archit_:  you'd have to look at some of the PDK examples on developer.palm.com,  iPhone opengl es games are very easy to port to webos if written in C or C++
Jan 31 20:05:49 <destinal> archit_: and yeah I would google stuff on converting from gl to gles
Jan 31 20:06:14 <dtzWill> i learned opengl es from http://www.opengles-book.com/ fwiw
Jan 31 20:06:25 <dtzWill> might not be the best, i wouldn't know.  but just FYI
Jan 31 20:07:06 <dtzWill> and depends what you need to know--that book might not be best for guiding opengl to opengl es migrations
Jan 31 20:07:18 <dtzWill> destinal: don't think i've seen that book, no.  ty for the link.
Jan 31 20:08:36 <destinal> dtzWill: nice thing is even the PowerVR stuff talking about iPhone would apply, since we use the same graphics core
Jan 31 20:08:51 <archit_> thanx for your help.I try these thing out
Jan 31 20:09:02 <destinal> dtzWill: on pre anyway
Jan 31 20:09:48 <dtzWill> destinal: absolutely.
Jan 31 20:09:56 <dtzWill> good call, looks like a good read.
Jan 31 21:41:50 <david> Helllo
Jan 31 21:42:13 <david> I have a question, I just bought a Palm Pre in Mexico
Jan 31 21:42:23 <david> but only have the web OS 1.4.0
Jan 31 21:43:15 <david> and when I tried to buy one game from gameloft the system said me that the game is for WebOS 1.4.5
Jan 31 21:43:50 <david> How can I install this games in my palm pre?
Jan 31 21:44:56 <david> ?
Jan 31 21:51:52 <rwhitby> upgrade the device to 1.4.5
Jan 31 23:44:34 <Thevoid> Can someone recommend me a free media player for the pre plus?
Jan 31 23:48:42 <GNUtoo|laptop> Thevoid, is mplayer ported to the pre?
Jan 31 23:48:53 <Thevoid> dont know
Jan 31 23:49:53 <GNUtoo|laptop> I'll go bye
Feb 01 01:21:04 <Mousey> hey, go vote webos!
Feb 01 01:21:06 <Mousey> http://blog.laptopmag.com/os-bowl-game-3-webos-vs-android-voting-ends-22-at-9-a-m
Feb 01 01:21:58 <en0x> f this...
Feb 01 01:22:22 <Mousey> ?
Feb 01 01:22:32 <en0x> scripting issues
Feb 01 02:29:06 <Thevoid> What sort of usb transfer rates do you guys get to the pre?
Feb 01 02:30:10 <Loudergood> slower than my cable modem :/
Feb 01 02:31:37 <Thevoid> im getting about 1.5 mb/sec
Feb 01 02:31:43 <Thevoid> so thats normal?
Feb 01 02:31:51 <Loudergood> I don't really know
Feb 01 02:32:03 <Thevoid> im attempting to transfer over 9gb of music over
Feb 01 02:32:15 <Loudergood> have fun
Feb 01 02:32:37 <Thevoid> got more than 2 hours left woo
Feb 01 02:38:23 <RagingMind> Thevoid, you sure you're in a USB2 port?
Feb 01 02:39:22 <Thevoid> lmfao, yes
Feb 01 02:39:48 <Thevoid> im not using a pentium 2 system or something
Feb 01 02:40:07 <RagingMind> my pentium 3 system has usb 1.1
Feb 01 02:40:19 <RagingMind> I had to get an add in card for my pre and ipod
Feb 01 02:40:32 <Thevoid> im using a core 2 laptop
Feb 01 02:40:56 <Thevoid> i want to get a tualatin system to mess with tho
Feb 01 02:41:27 <RagingMind> I have a dual CPU 1.26GHz PIII Tualatin
Feb 01 02:41:34 <Thevoid> which board?
Feb 01 02:41:40 <RagingMind> Intel SAI2
Feb 01 02:41:42 <Thevoid> dont tell me its the iwill
Feb 01 02:41:45 <Thevoid> ah
Feb 01 02:42:07 <Thevoid> i wish i could find the iwill apollo pro 266 dual board
Feb 01 02:42:33 <RagingMind> I had to settle for this board, I can't remember what my first pick was
Feb 01 02:43:10 <Thevoid> i dont think there were very many options for dual tualatins outside of server boards
Feb 01 02:43:36 <Thevoid> most dual p3 boards couldnt/wouldnt support tualatin
Feb 01 02:43:43 <RagingMind> it's still plenty fast for every day stuff, the one really annoying thing is that it doesn't do suspend.  so unless I want to jack up my power bill I have to full shut down every night
Feb 01 02:44:35 <Thevoid> on the other hand, the old asus p2b-ds 440bx board with slot1-socket adapters can run dual tualatins
Feb 01 02:44:59 <Thevoid> at full bus speed
Feb 01 02:45:08 <Thevoid> impressive board for its day
Feb 01 02:45:51 <Thevoid> power bill? im getting a pentium 965 extreme edition to play with tomorrow
Feb 01 02:46:14 <Thevoid> i have a 915 now, ive seen 400w power draw in bios
Feb 01 02:46:26 <RagingMind> next time I have a real job and can afford spiffy things I"m upgrading my system and my current hardware is going in a closet as a media server
Feb 01 02:46:26 <bpadalino> that
Feb 01 02:46:30 <bpadalino> 's a lot of current
Feb 01 02:46:54 <Thevoid> i was impressed the 975xbx2 could handle it
Feb 01 02:47:01 <RagingMind> my computer is about ~100W as measured by my UPS (includes my monitor too)
Feb 01 02:47:09 <Thevoid> this was at over 5ghz with voltmod
Feb 01 02:48:29 <Thevoid> RagingMind: if you come across a load of spare cash, look into the skulltrail board
Feb 01 02:48:37 <Thevoid> i have one and its awesome
Feb 01 02:48:58 <Thevoid> you can put in any 1333 or 1600 fsb xeon
Feb 01 02:49:03 <RagingMind> I'm super picky and I tend to set rather odd rules when it comes to computer hardware
Feb 01 02:49:17 <Thevoid> such as?
Feb 01 02:49:20 <RagingMind> ideally... the mobo will NOT have onboard video or audio
Feb 01 02:49:21 * rwhitby wonders if any of these boards run webOS ...
Feb 01 02:49:34 <RagingMind> rwhitby, how about a beagleboard? :)
Feb 01 02:49:43 <rwhitby> if not, #webos-watercooler awaits ...
Feb 01 02:49:48 <Thevoid> i cant even get the PDK emulator to run, rob
Feb 01 02:50:46 <Thevoid> thats understandable, considering some of the crap they put onboard
Feb 01 02:50:57 <Thevoid> like VIA sound chips
Feb 01 02:51:10 <Thevoid> thankfully, ey can be disabled in BIOS
Feb 01 02:51:34 <Thevoid> rob, i had a question earlier you may have missed
Feb 01 02:51:46 <Thevoid> regarding pre usb drive transfer speed
Feb 01 02:51:58 <rwhitby> Thevoid: yes, I probably did miss it with all the off-topic discussion in the way ;)
Feb 01 02:52:24 <Thevoid> hey, at least its tech related
Feb 01 02:56:56 <Thevoid> rob, is ~1.5 mb/s a normal transfer rate for usb drive mode?
Feb 01 02:57:25 <rwhitby> dunno, I usually use scp over wifi for transfers
Feb 01 02:57:38 <Thevoid> is it faster?
Feb 01 02:57:55 <rwhitby> dunno, but no wires.
Feb 01 02:58:06 <rwhitby> btw, it's Rod, not Rob.
Feb 01 02:58:23 <Thevoid> sorry
Feb 01 02:58:59 <Thevoid> from what ive seen, wifi g maxes out around 2.5mb/sec
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