**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 05 02:59:57 2011 Feb 05 03:57:31 hello Feb 05 03:59:23 hi Feb 05 04:04:15 hows it goin? Feb 05 04:05:29 tracking down a bug I'm getting building widk in ubuntu 11.04 Feb 05 04:07:03 i dont use ubuntu, so im of no help :p Feb 05 04:08:13 that's alright, I think it's the hfsplus kernel module anyway Feb 05 04:09:40 u lost me after alright lol Feb 05 04:09:56 * PatrickC_Home is installing the sdk Feb 05 04:21:03 yeah looks like it's already fixed in kernel..I guess I'll just have to wait for rc4 Feb 05 05:27:37 dtzWill: ping Feb 05 05:44:03 hay guys Feb 05 07:20:22 Ummm.... Feb 05 07:20:34 I think I just wet myself a little in excitement! Feb 05 07:20:58 WTMI Feb 05 07:21:02 I am slowly getting this audio backend for the VoIP client to work Feb 05 07:22:10 Well. I can get input to "connect" and not crash the device. But, it does not transmit audio, at the moment. :( Feb 05 07:25:09 VoIP, as in could connect to Ekiga? Feb 05 07:25:52 yeah. Well, as long as Ekiga (I believe that is the GNOME VoIP client, right?) and moVox are connected to a server. Feb 05 07:26:10 a directory? Feb 05 07:26:22 it's kinda sorta the gnome one... it was Feb 05 07:26:32 but now that's held by Empathy Feb 05 07:26:38 I think I was trying it out for a while. Feb 05 07:28:34 there are too many types of internet voice/video standards Feb 05 07:29:38 yeah, no kidding. It is a pain. Feb 05 07:29:38 thats the beauty of standards...there are so many to chose from. Feb 05 07:30:45 yeah, but it's also a pain in the butt Feb 05 07:30:47 Yeah. This is true. It just makes things hard. If client X wants to talk to client Y over a VoIP network and they don't support the same standards, then server A in between then needs to do the processing to get the supported data across the link. Feb 05 07:31:16 * dkirker1 steps away for a drink Feb 05 07:31:43 because you end with something supporting only XY and not Z, or something like YZ and not X Feb 05 07:41:24 dkirker1, which VoIP protocol(s) are you supporting? Feb 05 07:42:31 No video yet, then for voice I plan to support gsm and ilbc and probably g722. Feb 05 07:42:57 speex Feb 05 07:43:15 the basics that pjsip/pjsua/pjmedia supports Feb 05 07:43:16 H.323, SIP, MGCP...? Feb 05 07:43:33 SIP, as well Feb 05 07:43:41 sip is good... cause I already have a sip address with ekiga.net Feb 05 07:43:58 that I'd completely forgotten about until today Feb 05 07:44:01 yeah, I believe that SIP is the most prevalent as well Feb 05 07:44:51 I am trying to get some sort of alpha ready for the Feb 9th event. I'd like to hand out some invites to a private alpha/beta thing then. :) Feb 05 17:20:26 hey knowledgeable people of webos-internals Feb 05 17:20:54 if i get preware, is there a way to get the color scheme in messaging and email to something with light text on dark backround? Feb 05 17:21:05 and also maybe increase the font size? Feb 05 17:21:31 because that would really help me with my vision problems Feb 05 17:28:47 I think I've seen patches for font size Feb 05 17:30:06 cool Feb 05 17:30:30 because i haven't decided if i keep my pixi or send it back and didn't want to hack it Feb 05 17:30:47 if i'd send it back Feb 05 17:31:14 for simple stuff like that you can just doctor the phone and poof! it's all back to normal Feb 05 17:32:25 ah, i don't know what doctoring means yet. I read on the preware site that they have themes, do those change the contrast of the text in standard apps or just superficial stuff like menus and backgrounds Feb 05 17:36:34 kall, it's the Palm way of restoring the factory settings on a phone. Feb 05 17:36:51 ah Feb 05 17:37:08 there are themes that change a lot more, and there's lots of other stuff, but I've never personally looked into them Feb 05 17:37:30 ok, i'll think i'll try then Feb 05 17:38:00 judging from all the incidents of porn on retail electronics, most vendors probably don't look at the software too much Feb 05 17:38:05 anywa Feb 05 18:55:34 morning folks Feb 05 18:56:07 * irrritum is wondering if anyone is somewhat familiar with internal workings of freeTether Feb 05 18:56:19 got a bit of an odd problem here Feb 05 18:57:20 as far as I understand it utilizes hotspotd & minidhcpd - correct me if I'm wrong Feb 05 18:58:29 it appears that it fails to start it for some reason when I enable WiFi tethering Feb 05 18:58:45 I can see it via console through novaterm Feb 05 18:59:34 however when I start the service via luna-send as described at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mobilehotspot#mobilehotspotd Feb 05 19:00:22 I can associate get IP address and all (well I didn't bother to actually set-up NAT with IP tables) but at least I can ping the gateway and all that good stuff Feb 05 19:00:46 which version of freeTether are you using? Feb 05 19:00:48 this is on absolutely fresh doctored sprint pre Feb 05 19:00:53 latest Feb 05 19:00:55 .13 Feb 05 19:03:15 I'm wondering if I should file it as a bug so my question is if anyone else out there experienced similar behavior? Feb 05 19:03:33 too bad PuffTheMagic is away :( Feb 05 19:05:33 anyone? :) Feb 05 19:13:29 * irrritum is going to be away for a little bit if anyone happens to read the above and has any ideas please /msg me - thanks! Feb 05 20:40:23 hello Feb 05 22:59:13 hi all Feb 05 22:59:19 getting pre eaither monday or tuesday Feb 05 22:59:25 first thing do i wipe ie and install preware Feb 05 22:59:31 or what ? Feb 05 22:59:55 wipe? Feb 05 22:59:59 yea Feb 05 23:00:05 i usually wipe all my phones when i get them Feb 05 23:00:11 no need Feb 05 23:00:23 full erase and doctor Feb 05 23:01:00 (since you're in #webos-internals, you're going to need to know how to do that anyway) Feb 05 23:01:40 true Feb 05 23:01:43 also Feb 05 23:01:48 i heard i don't need to root it Feb 05 23:02:01 i just do the devloper thing and i can install homebrew correct ? Feb 05 23:05:31 correct Feb 05 23:09:50 Josef_B: when you get it, download the Preware Homebrew Documentation app from the official app catalog. It answers all your questions. Feb 05 23:22:42 i've noticed 1 thing in all these youtube videos Feb 05 23:22:46 it lags Feb 05 23:22:46 no ? Feb 05 23:44:50 as sated a lot of youtube vidoes have the palm pre lagging a lot .. do i not install a lot of apps or what ? Feb 05 23:45:06 im just call a lot / text / facebook basiclly it Feb 06 00:08:05 fuuuu i think i just reset my pixi Feb 06 00:08:45 i tryed to install web os quick install when i start the .jar for the second time, am i supposed to follow the steps in the doctor app thing? Feb 06 00:08:57 kall general question .. why would you pick a pixi over a palm pre .. its so small Feb 06 00:09:39 small used to be something people bragged about with phones Feb 06 00:10:12 i like small phones Feb 06 00:10:18 also candybar qwertz is awesome Feb 06 00:10:22 and it was cheap Feb 06 00:11:13 it's a pixi plus btw, but the difference is only wifi right? Feb 06 00:13:45 this looks like a reset right? https://skitch.com/kall/rpgrp/skitch Feb 06 00:14:29 yes Feb 06 00:14:37 yep, you're flashing it there Feb 06 00:14:54 dammit Feb 06 00:15:05 you should have used the instructions in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog Feb 06 00:15:10 well thankfully i only have it for a day Feb 06 00:15:35 not too much data lost, just a lot of apps to reinstall Feb 06 00:15:52 i used this guide: http://www.precentral.net/getting-started-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes-webos-quick-install Feb 06 00:16:14 Use http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=org.preware.docs Feb 06 00:16:47 ok, well now i cant download that because the phone is restoring :-( Feb 06 00:17:26 that app will also tell you about the save/restore app Feb 06 00:30:09 awseome it restores all my stuff from the online profile :palmlove: Feb 06 00:30:36 nice Feb 06 00:39:35 everyone ready for the flood of people that'll hopefully come after the 9th? Feb 06 00:41:23 well, for this channel I just point them straight to http://bit.ly/phd-ac Feb 06 00:41:36 for #webos, they just point them to http://developer.palm.com/ Feb 06 00:41:57 for user-level assistance, just point them to http://precentral.net/ Feb 06 00:42:12 rwhitby, good advice Feb 06 00:42:42 it's all about the positioning as you redirect support :) Feb 06 00:43:26 ug... that's from the training I has as a tech support agent... now I feel dirty /me goes to wash Feb 06 00:45:49 ok so anyone wanna give me some support? Feb 06 00:46:04 good question after you talked about redirecting it, right? Feb 06 00:46:33 for speed sake Feb 06 00:46:40 is it wise that i have less apps on my pre ? Feb 06 00:47:47 if an app isn't running, why would it have any effect besides taking up space? Feb 06 00:48:07 RagingMind im coming from android / ios Feb 06 00:48:18 Josef_B: it doesn't work that way in those environments either Feb 06 00:48:20 you are misinformed Feb 06 00:48:24 aw ok Feb 06 00:48:30 same there, no problems with installed apps Feb 06 00:48:41 i had a mt3g that was 528mhz cpu and 192mb ram .. it was sluggish . Feb 06 00:48:58 Josef_B: in iOS and Android, the OS kills apps and services when it needs to recover resources Feb 06 00:49:10 and if not you have a task killer Feb 06 00:49:15 and there is no downside to having a lot of stuff installed Feb 06 00:49:23 Josef_B: yes, which you really shouldn't use Feb 06 00:49:33 wgreenhouse yes but sometimes i needed it Feb 06 00:49:37 I think most people think that way because on PC's a lot of programs do install background processes. so as you install things the computer slows down even if the main part of the apps aren't open Feb 06 00:49:49 true Feb 06 00:50:04 RagingMind: yeah, they need to get used to the idea that their phone is a UNIX box which isn't stupid like that :-P Feb 06 00:50:51 when you think about it, most major phone OSes are unix at core Feb 06 00:50:58 which is pretty cool Feb 06 00:51:00 you should see how many notification icons I have on my debian system... but that's cause I was playing with different IM and VoIP apps today Feb 06 00:51:25 RagingMind: heh. Feb 06 00:51:33 my debian boxes normally don't even have dbus running Feb 06 00:51:50 also, I do almost everything through Emacs Feb 06 00:51:53 maybe I am just weird Feb 06 00:53:05 i can't seem to get past the restore screen with webos quick install, anyone have any idea why that might be the case? Feb 06 00:53:05 yes Feb 06 00:53:39 kall, it sounds like you're running the doctor and not the quick install. are you clicking on the right thing? Feb 06 00:54:07 *facepalm* Feb 06 00:54:09 thanks Feb 06 00:55:10 I guess my training does come in handy sometimes ;) (or I can tell myself that so I feel better) Feb 06 00:56:00 kall: are you following the instructions in PHD ? Feb 06 00:57:21 i downloaded it, and yeah, pretty much Feb 06 00:57:28 its the same as in my guide Feb 06 00:57:54 surely the screenshots would have shown you were running the wrong app? Feb 06 00:58:03 the guide is windows only though Feb 06 00:58:35 heh, first lesson in asking for help - tell people what OS you are running Feb 06 00:58:42 and i'm i have bad vision so i just clicked the latest file with a java icon in my downloads stack Feb 06 00:58:58 just a confusion, i'm sorry for bothering you guys with it Feb 06 00:59:03 i figured the rest out Feb 06 00:59:12 what OS are you running? Feb 06 00:59:17 OS X Feb 06 00:59:37 ok, you shouldn't have any problems there. That's what I use too. Feb 06 00:59:52 (even to develop Preware) Feb 06 01:00:12 great Feb 06 01:00:31 although I just use palm-install to install it on a new device Feb 06 01:13:54 ok Feb 06 01:13:59 how do i backup everyting on my pre Feb 06 01:14:11 does it go to a server or do i have to back it up on my compouter ? Feb 06 01:15:56 is it wise to backup daily or once in a while ? Feb 06 01:17:05 Josef_B: the online Palm profile backs up your phone when it is idle, or at your request. and you can also back up application data to a file on the media partition, with the Preware app "Save/Restore" Feb 06 01:17:20 aw cool Feb 06 01:27:34 hmm Feb 06 01:27:46 dtzWill: ping Feb 06 01:27:48 i noticed most youtube vidoes the palm pre vidoes are the palm pre not the plus .. and they all have the buttons Feb 06 01:28:54 fahhem: 'ello :) Feb 06 01:29:03 sweet, finally caught you online :) Feb 06 01:29:10 sorry :D. Feb 06 01:29:29 it's cool Feb 06 01:29:31 any good cases or fim protector for pre plus .. i heard it smudges very easy Feb 06 01:29:42 anyway, I got WIDK working and compiling VBA and everything Feb 06 01:29:49 Josef_B: it's sold with a microfiber sleeve you can use to wipe it off Feb 06 01:29:57 and to store your phone Feb 06 01:29:59 very convenient Feb 06 01:30:06 but when I run it on my phone, there is no response to touches or anything Feb 06 01:30:23 fahhem: what phone/os version? Feb 06 01:30:24 it does run because I put a rom and it recognized it Feb 06 01:30:31 pre plus Feb 06 01:30:31 kk Feb 06 01:30:54 can you run it from novaterm/command line? Feb 06 01:30:56 any errors, etc? Feb 06 01:31:12 i don't know how to do that, i'll look into that Feb 06 01:31:32 i run it via palm-launch, does that ignore errors? Feb 06 01:31:39 I don't know. Feb 06 01:31:49 i think it does for pdk? or logs it somewhere.... Feb 06 01:32:00 i'm more comfortable just running it :), so not sure. Feb 06 01:32:18 how do you run it via novaterm? Feb 06 01:32:47 fahhem: did you install it with some ipk? Feb 06 01:33:18 yeah, in pkg/ I ran make Feb 06 01:33:34 i did make preware and uploaded that Feb 06 01:34:20 cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.visualboyadvance/ Feb 06 01:35:11 oh actually i think VBA i have log to files to make it easier to get debugging info from users. Feb 06 01:35:13 and ./vba? Feb 06 01:35:17 fahhem: yeppers Feb 06 01:35:57 oh! Feb 06 01:36:03 it responded sorta Feb 06 01:36:12 o_O Feb 06 01:36:20 it started a game Feb 06 01:36:29 but it took like 5 minutes since I clicked to start Feb 06 01:36:36 okay, more like 20 seconds Feb 06 01:36:57 the OS isn't acting slow so idk why vba takes so long Feb 06 01:37:14 hmm, if i click a lot of times it happens faster Feb 06 01:37:45 fahhem: quit and try again. click the game just once. Feb 06 01:37:55 generally runs faster. Feb 06 01:40:10 nope, tried that Feb 06 01:40:25 clicked once and waiting a minute, even tried clicking the empty space and still nothing Feb 06 01:40:33 if i click menu a bunch it shows up Feb 06 01:40:47 fahhem: and i assume it acts as you expect if you uninstall your ipk and install vba from preawre? Feb 06 01:41:02 aka we're definitely thinking it's something about the one you built, etc? Feb 06 01:41:47 i haven't tried the preware one since the last time i cleared my phone Feb 06 01:41:54 lemme try that, sorry Feb 06 01:44:22 interesting, preware.org doesn't have a direct link to get.preware.org Feb 06 01:45:45 correct. unless people have instructions, they don't know what to do with the files on get.preware.og Feb 06 01:46:30 i understand it needs directions, but there's no eventual "go here to download ..." just "once you have the ipk" Feb 06 01:46:50 fahhem: np at all, i'm just trying to isolate things. Feb 06 01:46:58 fahhem: next question is what toolchain are you using to build things? Feb 06 01:47:25 2010q1 Feb 06 01:48:28 what version of webOS are you running it on? Feb 06 01:48:40 2010q1 is for webOS 2.x only Feb 06 01:48:59 dtzWill said 2010q1 for vba, no? Feb 06 01:49:08 or was i supposed to use 2009q3? Feb 06 01:49:44 fahhem: i use 2010q1 for vba on all platforms. Feb 06 01:49:54 glitches in earlier toolchains that cause problems, which is why i'm asking. Feb 06 01:50:21 think 2009q3 worked too iirc. Feb 06 01:50:21 yeah, so i used 2010q1, but it turns out the problem exists on the 1.3.3 ipk from the preware feed Feb 06 01:50:28 o____O Feb 06 01:50:32 what. Feb 06 01:50:32 lol Feb 06 01:50:47 yeah, it's a 2.0.1, though i'm pretty sure i'm not supposed to say that Feb 06 01:51:04 fahhem: pm Feb 06 01:52:18 ahem, it's 1.4.5 like everyone else... Feb 06 02:13:24 has anyone ever had their screen go almost dark? Touchscreen still working but the screen was exceptionally dark. I cranked the brightness up to 100 and could still barely see it. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 06 02:59:57 2011