**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 15 02:59:56 2011 Feb 15 03:02:51 ok i am purchasing it right now Feb 15 03:03:20 * rwhitby says "kaching!" Feb 15 03:03:37 if you have questions after following all of those instructions then we are happy to help Feb 15 03:03:50 rwhitby, indeed Feb 15 03:04:07 * rwhitby can now afford lunch. bbl. Feb 15 03:04:23 LOL Feb 15 03:04:28 LOLZ Feb 15 03:04:36 * dtzWill joins the chorus: LOL Feb 15 03:04:54 * rwhitby was waiting for oil to say "on his BOAT!" Feb 15 03:05:12 LOL Feb 15 03:08:51 * halfhalo yawns Feb 15 03:10:30 Ok rwhitby I purchases and I am seeing the problem. When i select preware it says it is downloaded...but it never shows up on the other screen to install. Feb 15 03:11:29 teitell10, details and pics please Feb 15 03:25:42 ok then ... Feb 15 03:42:27 Ok I am back I had to restart my phone and comp to see if that would help Feb 15 03:43:04 did it? Feb 15 03:43:52 scoutcamper you a big rss reader / fan ? Feb 15 03:44:19 yes Feb 15 03:44:21 anything that can sync to Google Reader basically Feb 15 03:44:32 because then you've got it on the web and on Reeder on my Mac Feb 15 03:45:12 It did not, currently I have webos quick install open and it reads my phone correctly. I open it up click on the world globe and it loads all the accesories. The i go into apps and click preware and it says connecting, downloading and transfering Feb 15 03:46:17 teitell10, which version of webos quick install? Feb 15 03:46:26 The most current one Feb 15 03:46:35 4.03 Feb 15 03:46:52 teitell10, k, did you install the palm sdk? Feb 15 03:47:11 Yes I did and the virtual box thing Feb 15 03:47:15 k Feb 15 03:48:03 When i click on the preware is it suppose to load into the other screen and I click install? Feb 15 03:48:42 teitell10, go to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.preware_1.5.4_arm.ipk Feb 15 03:48:46 download that file Feb 15 03:48:55 let me know when done Feb 15 03:49:39 I downloaded it what program do i open it with? Feb 15 03:49:51 close webos quick install Feb 15 03:49:54 then open it Feb 15 03:50:08 drag and drop the .ipk onto the main screen of webos-quick install Feb 15 03:50:37 than click install Feb 15 03:51:20 if that doesnt work then we go to plan b Feb 15 03:51:23 Ok I clicked install and and it said transferring for about 2 secs and then went away Feb 15 03:51:30 did it work? Feb 15 03:51:34 that means it's installed Feb 15 03:51:45 look on your phone for the icon Feb 15 03:52:18 (assuming your phone is running webOS 1.3.5 or later) Feb 15 03:52:18 What would the icon be? The last icon I am shwoing is preware hombrew the one i purchased Feb 15 03:52:31 teitell10: what version of webOS is your phone running? Feb 15 03:52:40 Yes it is running the newest version of webOS a a palm pre can Feb 15 03:53:01 teitell10, ok, plan b Feb 15 03:53:02 please tell me the version number in the Device Info screen. "latest" is not a valid version number, and is usually wrong Feb 15 03:53:24 1.45 Feb 15 03:53:43 teitell10, open up cmd Feb 15 03:53:54 opened Feb 15 03:54:02 type cd .. Feb 15 03:54:04 scoutcamper: wait, just jumping to another option does not find the problem Feb 15 03:54:22 teitell10: when you type "preware" in the launcher of the Pre, how many icons do you see? Feb 15 03:54:28 bbl Feb 15 03:54:34 just one Feb 15 03:55:00 teitell10: are you able to install any other application using WebOS Quick Install ? Feb 15 03:55:15 I don't beleive it is letting me install anything Feb 15 03:55:26 It seems it installs but it never makes it to my phone Feb 15 03:55:36 do you have the emulator running? Feb 15 03:55:47 I do not, should I? Feb 15 03:55:50 no Feb 15 03:56:00 what desktop OS and version? Feb 15 03:56:10 vista Feb 15 03:56:27 when you go into the Device Management screen in WOSQI, what do you see Feb 15 03:56:46 (Tools->Device Management) Feb 15 03:56:58 g2g Feb 15 03:57:15 see ya all later Feb 15 03:57:23 It tells all this info about my phone and the current apps installed on my phone Feb 15 03:57:41 does the list of current apps include Preware ? Feb 15 03:58:01 No it does not Feb 15 03:58:37 you have the SDK installed, right? Feb 15 03:59:14 do you know how to use the windows cmd program? Feb 15 03:59:40 I beleive so, I installed that after i have two folders called webos pdk and plam webos sdk Feb 15 03:59:57 ... Feb 15 04:00:00 flip boss Feb 15 04:00:21 teitell10: when you type "palm-install" on the windows command line, what do you see? Feb 15 04:00:26 I am able to use cmd if I am giving instructions I do not know code very well Feb 15 04:00:57 some cmd object shows up Feb 15 04:01:54 teitell10: do you know how to reference a file location on the command line on windows? Feb 15 04:02:09 Not really is it difficult? Feb 15 04:02:37 you need to use the "palm-install" command, and provide the location of the http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.preware_1.5.4_arm.ipk file you downloaded earlier, all on the command line Feb 15 04:03:13 teitell10: did you do the "Verify the SDK Installation" step on http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1661 ? Feb 15 04:04:24 I am not sure about the verifying I am going to do it again Feb 15 04:04:46 just that last verifying step - no need to uninstall or reinstall anything Feb 15 04:06:00 I opened up the emmualtor where do i type this code into? Feb 15 04:06:59 flip boss Feb 15 04:07:02 ueie Feb 15 04:07:04 hesyw sye Feb 15 04:07:05 teitell10: you don't open the emulator for this Feb 15 04:07:08 hwudheyxbe Feb 15 04:07:21 flipboss: please use a different channel for testing your keyboard Feb 15 04:07:59 oh ok I just opened the cmd and typed in palm-generate Feb 15 04:08:46 teitell10: using the file explorer, hold the shift key and right click on the folder where you put the preware .ipk file Feb 15 04:08:59 that should open a cmd window in that folder Feb 15 04:10:04 (when you select the "Open Command Window Here" menu item) Feb 15 04:10:05 Right click a folder? Wasn't it just one document.. Feb 15 04:10:17 right click on the folder in which you have placed that file Feb 15 04:10:29 I have just palced it on my desktop Feb 15 04:11:23 your Desktop is a folder, just like any other Feb 15 04:11:45 find it in your windows file manager / windows explorer / whatever it is called, and shift-right-click on it Feb 15 04:12:01 alternative, create a folder and move it to there Feb 15 04:12:15 then shift-right-click on that folder Feb 15 04:13:15 Ok i have the cmd window up Feb 15 04:14:54 what is next Feb 15 04:16:03 type the following: Feb 15 04:16:20 palm-install org.webosinternals.preware_1.5.4_arm.ipk Feb 15 04:17:26 It says it is now installing a package Feb 15 04:17:37 where does it say it is installing it to? Feb 15 04:17:40 castle linux Feb 15 04:17:47 ok, that's correct. Feb 15 04:18:01 It seems to have completed Feb 15 04:18:06 when it has finished, you should see the Preware icon appear in your launcher Feb 15 04:19:23 YESSSS I am so excited it worked!!!!! Feb 15 04:19:47 teitell10: excellent. Feb 15 04:20:10 I am glad i purchased you product as you helped me so much..first app I have ever paid for Feb 15 04:20:19 I still have a few more basic questions if that is ok? Feb 15 04:20:31 don't forget to tell your friends how awesome that app is :) Feb 15 04:20:53 I'll give it a great review Feb 15 04:21:01 if they are questions that can't be answered by a couple of minutes on Google or PreCentral.net, sure :) Feb 15 04:21:36 Now that preware is installed on my phone do I always go throguth that or do I still need to go throguh webosquick install Feb 15 04:21:53 just use Preware for everything from now on Feb 15 04:22:14 Also I am assuiming I should never delete the skf file or the virtual box? Feb 15 04:22:26 skf? Feb 15 04:22:27 Ok that sounds great and very easy Feb 15 04:22:30 sdk* Feb 15 04:23:08 The Emulator and VirtualBox you can remove if you are not going to develop anything Feb 15 04:23:22 the SDK you may want to leave installed just in case you lose Preware Feb 15 04:23:40 Ok I do not plan on developing anything. Once again thank you very much for your time. Feb 15 04:23:43 (the palm-install command does not depend on VirtualBox or the emulator) Feb 15 04:24:13 I wish palm/hp customer service could help half as much as you and keep a promise for once Feb 15 04:24:44 Don't forget to visit http://donate.webos-internals.org/ if you use our other applications. The Preware doco app will tell you some good ones to start with. Feb 15 04:25:04 Thanks I just boomarked that. Have a great night Feb 15 04:25:13 have fun Feb 15 05:32:11 oil, im pretty sure the trailing comma is invalid too but it seems almost every lib allows for it Feb 15 05:34:02 the webOS 2.0 native parser seems to be stricter than the javascript library Feb 15 05:34:15 s/native/JSON native/ Feb 15 05:34:16 rwhitby meant: the webOS 2.0 JSON native parser seems to be stricter than the javascript library Feb 15 05:34:36 javascript allows it Feb 15 05:35:17 thats not what the link i posted says Feb 15 05:35:22 library or native parser? Feb 15 05:36:11 parse() allows it Feb 15 05:36:18 json is Python allows it Feb 15 05:36:24 some other C/C++ libs allow it Feb 15 05:36:35 v8 can be ze strict Feb 15 05:36:45 i asked this question earlier case a lisp lib i was using was not allowing it Feb 15 05:36:50 and i wasnt sure where the issue was Feb 15 05:37:17 yeah, I found stuff when passing JSON up from Preware service to app in webOS 2.0 which barfed (it was fine in 1.4.5) Feb 15 05:37:28 the native parser got stricter Feb 15 05:37:43 i think strict is better personally Feb 15 05:38:03 Postel's law Feb 15 05:40:52 could always use eval :p Feb 15 05:49:15 so watson did pretty good tonight Feb 15 08:14:57 neeps help Feb 15 08:15:30 I used MEta-DR and selected install preware Feb 15 08:16:42 now preware is always got the little circle bar around it an dI can't select it Feb 15 08:24:14 i see that there is no swig module for javascript...can anyone tell if it would be possible to write webos app using JS and all functions from C-lib? Feb 15 10:44:37 was there a change in the compcache compression algorithm recently ? Feb 15 10:44:48 it seems to run better or something Feb 15 10:51:53 heya Feb 15 10:52:14 best feature of webOS 2.0? Feb 15 10:52:19 univeral spell check Feb 15 10:52:25 I'm a terrible speller Feb 15 12:14:06 Thibaud: Hi, getting back in touch about the Pixi version of linphone. From the p|c post I take it it's ready for testing? Feb 15 12:14:40 burks: yes, sure, I've been waiting for you :) Feb 15 12:14:58 Thibaud: :-) Feb 15 12:15:57 burks: see /msg & please report success as well as failure with details in P|C alpha thread (http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html). PM if privacy needed. Feb 15 12:18:00 Thibaud: Got it, thanks. Will try and report back. Feb 15 12:18:21 burks: :) Feb 15 12:20:34 burks: btw, no front speaker yet, only back speaker for now so use headset with mic close to mouth if annoying (back speaker feeds the mic with echo to the person on the other end...). Feb 15 12:21:20 Thibaud: I see. Is this a pulseaudio thing? Feb 15 12:21:52 burks: yep, pure pulseaudio. Made me sweat, I can tell you Feb 15 12:22:30 Thibaud: yes, I believe that... :-) Feb 15 12:23:52 burks: err, my bad: back-speaker for now because you must be in the com.palm domain to have speaker control (tested OK then). Working ... on a workaround like done in "lp.sh" if you can find it... ;) Feb 15 12:26:52 burks: pulseaudio is a breeze once you know how to dodge the 0.9.14 pitfalls, and apparently the fastest compared to the ALSA & OSS front-ends on top of PA (verified on emu) Feb 15 12:28:04 Thibaud: yes, that makes sense... Feb 15 12:28:11 lunch-time! bbl Feb 15 12:28:37 Thibaud: bon appetit Feb 15 12:30:53 ask a guy with webOS 2.0 on his pre plus anything Feb 15 12:53:24 back now Feb 15 14:24:47 I have the Palm Catalog feeds turned off in Preware, yet it still loads it Feb 15 14:25:01 do you have the beta feed on? Feb 15 14:25:12 yes Feb 15 14:25:47 actually I don't know where I was going with that...it's too early still Feb 15 14:26:00 I'm still paying for sunday Feb 15 14:26:32 lol Feb 15 14:27:04 is it worth updating the Pixi Warthog kernel? or will it probably fry my phone? lol Feb 15 14:29:10 haha, I stick to uberkernel on my pre, because I don't want to have to use my backup droid eris Feb 15 14:29:31 lol Feb 15 14:32:17 hi there Feb 15 14:32:35 found the tweet about webOS internals voip client for webos Feb 15 14:32:51 would be glad to be part of the early alpha testing Feb 15 14:36:09 anyone out there who can help me on? Feb 15 14:40:44 wovvbagger: normally someone answers. you might try back in a few hours. Feb 15 14:41:08 wovvbagger: I think the Linphone developers are on the West Coast. Feb 15 14:41:39 hmm, da hast du wohl recht Feb 15 14:41:43 wovvbagger: Linphone is on GitHub if you want to compile it yourself. Feb 15 14:41:48 ich versuchs heut abend von der couch aus nochmal Feb 15 14:42:58 try in 2 to 3 hours Feb 15 14:43:28 ok, I'll try later this evening, thanks for helping Feb 15 14:43:36 Haben sie eine gute nacht Feb 15 14:43:56 I hope so :-) Feb 15 14:43:58 same to you Feb 15 14:43:59 bye Feb 15 14:44:20 I understood none of that :p Feb 15 14:44:32 google translate ;) Feb 15 14:44:39 lol Feb 15 14:44:54 they don't have an app yet :') Feb 15 14:45:06 wovvbagger is looking for Linphone. It looks like he in Germany but I'm guessing. Feb 15 14:45:17 he wants to Alpha test it. Feb 15 14:45:22 yapp, germany Feb 15 14:45:37 I'm US, so.. lol Feb 15 14:46:15 and I found someone who's using an early alpha client .... he mentioned to ask within this channel for the alpha client Feb 15 14:46:32 It's 6:45AM in California right now. I think most webos internals people live in CA. Feb 15 14:46:46 wovvbagger: correct. Feb 15 14:47:11 someone normally sends you a link to the IPK file in a private message. Feb 15 14:47:43 scoinva: we have people in all time zones Feb 15 14:47:46 I've used it. It works great as long as you don't run it when you're not on a WI-FI connection. Feb 15 14:47:55 cool, I'll try later again ... or maybe tomorrow ... early in the morgen (german time :-)) Feb 15 14:48:08 destinal-work: certainly makes sense. Feb 15 14:48:14 wovvbagger: someone called me? ;) Feb 15 14:48:25 wahoo Feb 15 14:48:29 Hi Thibaud Feb 15 14:48:29 HAHA. nice! Feb 15 14:49:00 found the webos-internals tweet about linphone Feb 15 14:49:03 was away from my desk, it happens I have a day-job too! Feb 15 14:49:26 this might hapen :-) Feb 15 14:49:35 wovvbagger: sure, meant for that! What device(s) & SIP provider(s) are you? Feb 15 14:50:05 got a Pre and a Pixi plus Feb 15 14:50:17 Sip Provider is "sipgate" Feb 15 14:50:29 wovvbagger: lucky then, you'll be trying on both devices Feb 15 14:50:48 yapp Feb 15 14:51:08 wovvbagger: see /msg & please report success as well as failure with details in P|C alpha thread (http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html). PM if privacy needed. Feb 15 14:51:57 ok, I'll do so Feb 15 14:52:47 wovvbagger: have fun! :) More features will come as time goes by. Feb 15 14:53:18 wovvbagger: btw, no front speaker yet, only back speaker for now so use headset with mic close to mouth if annoying (back speaker feeds the mic with echo to the person on the other end...). Feb 15 14:53:56 thanks a lot ... I'll give it a try and will report success on precentral Feb 15 14:53:59 Thibaud: we need some voip encryption :) Feb 15 14:55:26 scoinva: I'm afraid you'll have to wait for beta or even mainstream release then ;) But you are right: everything goes unencrypted for now and this needs improvement... Feb 15 14:57:31 Thibaud: I completely understand. I was just thinking about the voip software called Red Phone that has encryption. Feb 15 14:58:00 it's low on the priority list. I love what you have right now just the way it is! Feb 15 14:58:53 scoinva: thx! I just love this great community too :) Feb 15 15:02:26 scoinva: btw, you were almost right. I'm West Coast ... of France! ;) But I travel to CA once or twice a year for my job. Feb 15 15:04:01 scoinva: on the same topic, it happens the Linphone stack was developped by french people too, but that was not the reason for choosing it. GPL, plain C core & command-line client made it an ideal target for a webOS service... Feb 15 15:05:02 Thibaud: interesting to know! Feb 15 15:05:38 scoinva: you mentioned an issue while WiFi off, could you elaborate a little (here if short or in P|C alpha thread if longer)? Feb 15 15:06:00 sure. Feb 15 15:06:31 It when you connect to 3G. Feb 15 15:06:37 *It's* Feb 15 15:07:13 to puts Linphone into a unable to connect to service state. Feb 15 15:07:30 after phone reboot the audio stops working. Feb 15 15:07:57 to finally fix it required a reinstall of LinPhone 0.1.3 Feb 15 15:08:04 0.1.4 might fix the issue. Feb 15 15:09:02 scoinva: it certainly will do better since 0.1.3 was crippled with corrupted JSON values in the service answer to the app... Jump to 0.1.5 asap! Feb 15 15:09:15 gotcha Feb 15 15:09:35 I describe my testing here Feb 15 15:09:43 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MxetDPxC5AFTXEkfyrqMA8cgURc455Jh65qN_xlUrxQ/edit?hl=en&authkey=CKn_370C Feb 15 15:12:21 scoinva: my bad, you did mention that on the Feb 10th (P|C thread) and probably on irc too. I'm a bit tired, sorry Feb 15 15:13:12 hey whatsup people? Feb 15 15:13:32 nothin mych Feb 15 15:13:37 much** lol Feb 15 15:14:08 my first time here. had a pre on and off since day one, love webOS Feb 15 15:15:40 well, I love it too (even if 2.0 isn't coming to legacy devices :/) Feb 15 15:16:10 scoinva: I wouldn't be surprised you get 3G working better with 0.1.5. It even runs on 2G (registration) as I've tried it. 3G will definitely do better (audio) ... provided your telco is happy with VoIP (doubt it) Feb 15 15:16:58 abeWeiss: greetings, guess we all love webOS here :) Feb 15 15:17:24 I will rather HP spent the time to get palm # perfect and i have no problem hp cutting its ties with pre1 and 2, it bothers me that they lied tough Feb 15 15:18:10 palm # = pre3 Feb 15 15:18:40 Thibaud: you work too hard. get some sleep. :) Feb 15 15:18:41 well, they are going to try and "make things right" Feb 15 15:19:31 scoinva: slowly catching up Feb 15 15:20:48 scoinva: thx for the report, the most documented so far. Anxiously (!) waiting for your next try on 0.1.5 ;) Feb 15 15:22:21 * PatrickC_Pre wants a webOS Computer baaaaad Feb 15 15:37:45 Thibaud: tested LinPhone 0.1.5. 3G works great. Feb 15 15:39:42 I can't tell yet if I have to "reconnect" after connecting to 3G. Feb 15 15:40:17 if you have a paid app open source, and someone compiles it and installs it, what is that considered? lol Feb 15 15:40:21 a bad 3G connection is laggy but that's no matter what. Feb 15 15:40:27 I have a paid app I might open source Feb 15 15:41:42 scoinva: awesome! Thx, not anxious anymore... ;) Feb 15 15:42:56 PatrickC_Pre: a paid app can be open source, depending on the license Feb 15 15:43:04 even GPL allows selling of the binaries Feb 15 15:43:28 you're just required to provide the source when asked for it (and from there, there's nothing stopping someone from compiling it) Feb 15 15:43:44 what about AGPLv3? Feb 15 15:43:56 what is GPL? Feb 15 15:44:01 AGPL* Feb 15 15:45:29 if someone mods the code, they must supply the moded code back to the owner so he/she can put it back in his/her app Feb 15 15:45:32 I believe Feb 15 15:45:51 hola Feb 15 15:45:57 hay joebpre Feb 15 15:45:59 :) Feb 15 15:46:27 summatusmentis: guess what you really sell are media & service, GPL software is & remains free (quoting RMS, free as in free speech, not as in free bier) Feb 15 15:47:17 it will be interesting to see how HP makes money on the WebOS OS for laptops. Feb 15 15:47:20 summatusmentis: ... as you mentioned Feb 15 15:47:52 will they take the Apple, Microsoft, or Google path? Feb 15 15:47:59 Thibaud: indeed Feb 15 15:52:58 scoinva: what path is that ? Feb 15 15:53:37 bbl Feb 15 15:53:52 cya Thibaud Feb 15 15:54:21 joebpre: How HP will play things to the most profitable end. Feb 15 15:54:45 will HP sell a copy of WebOS to install on each machine like Microsoft? Feb 15 15:54:49 scoinva: ? Feb 15 15:54:56 they won't go Apple Feb 15 15:55:09 scoinva: I don't understand Feb 15 15:55:09 I hope they go Ubuntu path Feb 15 15:55:11 will HP only run run WebOS on HP hardware like Apple does? Feb 15 15:55:12 free Feb 15 15:55:25 that won't happen, or shouldnt Feb 15 15:55:26 oh I see Feb 15 15:55:37 Will WebOS only run in the browser like Google ChromeOS? Feb 15 15:55:47 I want it to be open source and free like Ubuntu Feb 15 15:55:56 ChromeOS? what lol Feb 15 15:55:59 what's the most profitable route long term? Feb 15 15:56:24 chrome.google.com/webstore Feb 15 15:56:34 it probably won't be open source, but it's a modified linux OS with more than just a web framework Feb 15 15:56:44 Pixi time! Feb 15 15:57:36 http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html Feb 15 15:57:38 I own HP stock. I'm going to be upset if it's free unless there is an end game to profit. HP paid $1.2 billion. Feb 15 15:58:07 it will build userbase and developers though :) Feb 15 15:58:09 I'm ALL for free along as there's an end game. Feb 15 15:58:27 more devs and bigger userbase Feb 15 15:58:59 well, we'll just have to wait and see Feb 15 15:59:22 PatrickC_Pre: absolutely! Totally agree. That is definitely a way towards eventual profit. Feb 15 15:59:58 hopefully Abora will write the book about what happens. :) Feb 15 15:59:58 more userbase = more phones sold = more profit :) Feb 15 16:00:06 oops *Adora* Feb 15 16:00:20 that's no money in hardware. Feb 15 16:00:26 *there's* Feb 15 16:00:28 more devs = more apps = more phones sold = more money! it all works out :) Feb 15 16:00:33 well, some money Feb 15 16:00:40 yep Feb 15 16:00:45 true Feb 15 16:00:56 not tons, but it is some Feb 15 16:01:04 you would think hp would appel to the dev base correct ? Feb 15 16:01:08 and they could make webOS notebooks Feb 15 16:01:25 where webOS is the /main/ OS on it Feb 15 16:01:44 specificly for devs Feb 15 16:02:09 Microsoft made more than Apple because Windows is load on all laptops. Feb 15 16:02:15 it's an interesting problem to have. Feb 15 16:02:39 http://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program-cr48.html Feb 15 16:02:58 it looks awesome, but I'm under 18 :/ Feb 15 16:04:02 man webos dosent have a lot of news does it ? Feb 15 16:04:11 how hard would it be to port Chrome browser to webOS? I'm willing to work with people :) Feb 15 16:04:17 precentral.net app hardly has new news Feb 15 16:04:22 I want a /real/ browser on webOs Feb 15 16:04:34 webosroundup has 1 or 2 new articles Feb 15 16:05:32 all the news came out a week ago Feb 15 16:05:45 true Feb 15 16:05:59 but aren't there rumour sites ? Feb 15 16:06:08 or is twitter for that Feb 15 16:06:46 idk about rumor sites Feb 15 16:07:09 I just want a real browser for webOS like FF, Safari, Chrome, something lol Feb 15 16:09:02 PatrickC_Pre: I just signed up, do you have more "free hardware" giveaway links? Feb 15 16:09:18 so I went to dennys late with my wife and youngest son right .. I asked a lady to take a picture of us .. she was like oh wow a palm pre :-) Feb 15 16:09:22 hmm. not that I know of :p Feb 15 16:09:41 joebpre: that's what we like to hear :) Feb 15 16:10:33 I was about to say no it's a pre + Feb 15 16:10:49 lol Feb 15 16:11:07 get it right! Feb 15 16:11:17 * PatrickC_Pre needs to get school done Feb 15 16:11:27 you should have said "no, its a Pre3" Feb 15 16:16:18 wow been 1 hour my battery went from 100% to 76% Feb 15 16:16:45 burnin through the battery Feb 15 16:16:58 what OC kernel you runnin? Feb 15 16:19:22 setspeed 600mhz but I changed the cpu to conservative .. does that matter or is there a better setting ? Feb 15 16:22:56 I can change it to whatever if it helps Feb 15 16:23:40 on the pre, I think screenstate is best Feb 15 16:26:17 yea but what's a good setting Feb 15 16:26:28 like combination wise Feb 15 16:27:05 I usually do the 800 setting Feb 15 16:27:09 or 1.2 Feb 15 16:27:16 joebpre, setting it to conservative kinda undoes the setspeed thing Feb 15 16:27:43 aw Feb 15 16:27:52 http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt Feb 15 16:28:19 PatrickC_Pre: webkit isn't a real browser? Feb 15 16:28:36 well, something better then the stock one Feb 15 16:28:53 the stock one is ok, but I want something that I can sync with my desktop Feb 15 16:28:58 i.e. FF, Chrome Feb 15 16:29:14 I don't have uberkernel installed right now but my *guess* is that set speed is just the performance governor with a scaling_max_freq of 600MHz Feb 15 16:29:51 PatrickC_Pre, there is a port of Firefox for the pre that you can find online, it's really really alpha quality the last time I tried it Feb 15 16:30:11 it is very alpha Feb 15 16:30:26 I have tried it, crashes my phone, and doesn't work on the pixi Feb 15 16:30:45 I can't find any info on the palm-header HTML class Feb 15 16:31:47 PatrickC_Pre: also with GPL you don't have to supply source back to the original developer but you do have to distribute it to anyone you give a copy of any version of it Feb 15 16:32:37 so, if someone uses my code, mod it, they don't have to supply it back to me? Feb 15 16:32:47 if I ask, they have to right? lol Feb 15 16:32:54 no Feb 15 16:33:01 does Virtual Keyboard work on Webos 1.4.5? can't get it to install Feb 15 16:33:12 it should work on 1.4.5 Feb 15 16:33:43 if they distribute a copy of the final program to anyone they have to provide the source with it too. so if they make the final program publicly available, the source has to be public Feb 15 16:34:12 oh, so I could just go grab the source Feb 15 16:34:13 I see Feb 15 16:34:14 but there are many variations of "open source" lots of licenses to choose from Feb 15 16:34:43 apache, MIT, BSD, GPLv*... Feb 15 16:34:54 I was going between GPLv2 and MIT Feb 15 16:35:26 PatrickC_Pre: if they make a derivative work and just give it to a few people they only have to give the code to the people they give the binaries to so you don't have any particular right to get source code to binaries you haven't been provided Feb 15 16:35:50 wow, open source is complicated:p Feb 15 16:35:53 but in practice a lot of companies just post it publically anyway to keep it simple Feb 15 16:36:33 seems like its locking up when it gets to the point of installing it Feb 15 16:39:08 hmm Feb 15 16:40:28 I'm not sure what its doing Feb 15 16:44:25 where do I put the code to play audio in my button? Feb 15 16:44:37 I am using the SDK, and I'm used to using ares :p Feb 15 17:06:20 so um ... there still is no way to restore text messages to a new phone? I have to exchange my phone today :( Feb 15 17:07:08 xcomp: search Precentral forums. It might have something. Feb 15 17:08:00 a webos buddy talked about the ability to export the contacts somehow. then import into Google contacts. Feb 15 17:08:26 scoinva: i have no issue with contacts. the text messages are my problem Feb 15 17:08:35 sure. Feb 15 17:36:42 Hey I got a question guys. I was able to set up an sftp to my phone using winSCP. I am trying to use this at school but my schools wifi doesn't let my pre connect(pre doesn't have enterprise 2 so it works for 30 seconds then crashes). I'm new to termina Feb 15 17:36:42 l so I'm having problems sending the right command to edit the ip tables to allow access over evdo. Feb 15 17:38:39