**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 21 02:59:57 2011 Feb 21 04:43:49 hay Feb 21 04:44:48 hola! Feb 21 04:46:29 hi cryptk Feb 21 04:46:50 does anyone here dev for BBerry as well as webOS? Feb 21 04:50:37 I don't but I've signed up to check it out recently, and I have an old pearl in my stable of phones, which doesn't even run their latest os Feb 21 04:51:21 well, I'm looking at dev'ing for them, but don't know what language is best to use Feb 21 04:51:35 comedy option: air Feb 21 04:52:36 lol Feb 21 04:53:27 does anyone here use Mibbit? Feb 21 04:54:27 lol Feb 21 04:54:53 ok that's too many of those, off to the land of nod.. Feb 21 04:57:51 back Feb 21 13:17:42 yay, snow day. more enyo hacking for me Feb 21 13:41:14 After the tokens are the same tokens from the old sprint device.... is the rest done in the web OS dr? Feb 21 13:41:15 Imean meta Dr Feb 21 13:47:14 any update on getting 2.0 on pre plus or minus? Feb 21 13:50:40 any anal sex ? Feb 21 13:50:51 There is some news about it coming the Pre plus GSM because of demand by T-Mobile Feb 21 13:51:19 you mean international tmobile? Feb 21 13:51:19 Lol Feb 21 13:52:08 o2 germany said they won't provide the update, neither to the pre+ nor to pre- / pixi+ Feb 21 13:52:08 DE_telecom T-Mobile yes Feb 21 13:52:39 destinal: are you also working on the sprint pre2 mod? Feb 21 13:54:52 me yeah Feb 21 13:54:52 but I already have the tokens Feb 21 13:55:17 I was wondering if what I do next is just with the meta dr Feb 21 13:56:13 straight_power: you're working on that? Feb 21 13:58:00 straight_power, technically everything is done with the meta-doc Feb 21 13:58:15 after you have the tokens of course Feb 21 13:58:47 cryptk, got a minute? Feb 21 13:59:17 sure Feb 21 13:59:55 yeah Feb 21 14:00:34 ice8lue: yeah Feb 21 14:01:14 Congrats on making the Sprint Pre2 finally a success! Feb 21 14:03:00 hehe, Took rwhitby and I several hours of work Feb 21 14:03:31 how hard? Feb 21 14:05:12 pretty hard Feb 21 14:05:22 honestly I don't know much about what was done with the doctoring Feb 21 14:05:32 I was too busy swapping comms boards and profiles Feb 21 14:05:39 rod was steering the doctor Feb 21 14:05:44 are youall going to post a youtube video on how to do it? Feb 21 14:05:48 ok Feb 21 14:05:58 a youtube vid, probably not... but there are instructions out there already Feb 21 14:06:06 I'm thinking of making me a Sprint Pre2 Feb 21 14:06:13 depending on how hard it is Feb 21 14:06:32 So I mod the make file under here right? ## DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING PAST THIS POINT, UNLESS YOU ARE A MAKEFILE EXPERT ## Feb 21 14:06:32 once you make it, can the coms board go back into a sprint Pre-? Feb 21 14:06:46 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development-3.html#post2878631 Feb 21 14:06:49 PatrickC_Pre, yes Feb 21 14:06:58 ok Feb 21 14:06:58 we did it several times in the process of doing all of this Feb 21 14:07:12 great Feb 21 14:07:13 you would need to re-doctor the Pre- after swapping back Feb 21 14:07:20 part of the reason why it took so long Feb 21 14:07:50 swap comm board to Pre-, doctor 1.4.5, swap back to Pre2, try a doctor... nope didn't work... swap comm board to Pre-, doctor 1.4.5, etc etc etc Feb 21 14:07:51 ah Feb 21 14:08:06 sounds...... fun :) Feb 21 14:09:33 Is everything I need to change in the make file of meta dr? Feb 21 14:10:50 straight_power, check out the forum thread I linked Feb 21 14:11:04 I do know that there were meta-doctor mods that rod had to do to make it all work Feb 21 14:11:11 I am not sure if those mods have made it into git yet Feb 21 14:11:19 PatrickC_Pre, http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/39628033728065537 Feb 21 14:11:54 do you need a /meta/ doctor? or can I mod the original doctor in a text editor? Feb 21 14:12:12 okok so what I do is rename a packed Dr to zip and that's how I moddify it? Feb 21 14:12:16 wow cryptk. 12 times.. :) Feb 21 14:12:32 PatrickC_Pre, meta doctor is needed Feb 21 14:12:46 ok.. man Feb 21 14:12:48 you cannot do this without meta-doctor Feb 21 14:13:01 you MUST have it.. you cannot jsut mod the doctor with notepad Feb 21 14:13:07 I don't have a linux environment here :/ Feb 21 14:13:17 guess I'll have to get one :) Feb 21 14:13:27 Please note that our instructions are intentionally vague Feb 21 14:13:35 you CAN mess up your phone doing this Feb 21 14:14:24 Rod intentionally wrote them so that someone who knows what they are doing will be able to follow them, but your average joe will not... this is for the protection of the average joe's phone Feb 21 14:16:12 I would proob know what to do but the instructions don't say much at all Feb 21 14:16:48 Do I need to meta Dr a pre with dev mode on and then go into the file system and mod those files before I log into the palm profile? Feb 21 14:17:13 everything is done with the meta doc Feb 21 14:17:33 I would wait until the meta-doc mods are done Feb 21 14:17:40 there are still some issues with it Feb 21 14:17:47 like the doctor fails ROM validation Feb 21 14:17:47 ok thanks Feb 21 14:18:03 this process /should/ get smoother if you give us a little more time Feb 21 14:18:31 okok thanks Feb 21 14:22:02 thanks for all the help cryptk Feb 21 14:22:17 can this be done with an unlocked pre2 or only a vzw? Feb 21 14:22:39 Mine started as a GSM unlocked Pre2 Feb 21 14:22:45 you need any kind of Pre2 Feb 21 14:23:13 can you use a Pixi coms board? Feb 21 14:23:18 and thanks Feb 21 14:23:39 I am not sure if pixi's use the same kind of comms board, but my hunch is that they do not Feb 21 14:23:48 given the differences in dimensions Feb 21 14:23:54 ok. Feb 21 14:24:17 may i ask a stupid question? where's the difference between a sprint pre 2 and a normal one? Feb 21 14:24:31 gsm and cdma versions are available unlocked right? Feb 21 14:24:38 one is on sprint and one is not Feb 21 14:24:39 normal pre 2 is either a VZW or Unlocked Feb 21 14:24:57 one is modded, one is not Feb 21 14:25:00 I am not sure if cdma is avail unlocked Feb 21 14:25:11 ah Feb 21 14:25:42 and you can't get one to use on any other cdma network without buying it at vzw? Feb 21 14:25:52 (and unlock it) Feb 21 14:26:28 well... you can do what we did and get one working on another CDMA network Feb 21 14:26:41 ya, i meant stock one^^ Feb 21 14:26:58 stock, not sure... you would have to see if you can get a CDMA one unlocked Feb 21 14:27:01 check the HP store Feb 21 14:28:08 hm seems there's no cdma unlocked Feb 21 14:29:00 yep Feb 21 14:29:08 looks like GSM is the only unlocked one you can get Feb 21 14:29:21 unless VZW will sell it unlocked (doubtful) Feb 21 14:29:27 ok, now i understand these developments^^ Feb 21 14:29:53 think they won't, that way they got something to catch new costumers Feb 21 14:30:02 yep Feb 21 14:30:41 * PatrickC_Pre doesn't want to learn Java 1.3 :'( Feb 21 14:43:49 java is the worst Feb 21 14:43:57 i hate hate hate Feb 21 14:44:47 agreed, it's also why I stopped working on android. Feb 21 14:45:09 bad enough I have to learn yet another language (I really don't mind, but fuck Java) Feb 21 14:45:30 but on top of that I have to learn Google's bastardized version of it Feb 21 15:01:43 first potential problem with this has been found Feb 21 15:01:53 preware thinks it is a 1.4.5 device also Feb 21 15:01:59 ice8lue: are some of the O2's providing it and not other? Feb 21 15:02:10 please DO NOT install 1.4.5 patches on 2.0.1 Feb 21 15:03:16 destinal: i don't know for sure, at leats german O2 said (some days ago i think) there won't be updates Feb 21 15:03:19 ice8lue: the thing is, we only need one provider anywhere to have a 2.0 doctor even once, we can get the one ipk we need from there. doesn't even need to be maintained for future releases after that Feb 21 15:04:01 but it needs to be for pre or pre+ (they share the same graphics core revision) Feb 21 15:04:11 destinal: i know what you want to do, but it seems like there will be no pre 2.0 update Feb 21 15:04:33 i think pre+ will get a update on one carrier Feb 21 15:04:52 ice8lue: that will do it Feb 21 15:05:19 oh i really hope that will work Feb 21 15:05:35 it's depressing that my pre won't get updated Feb 21 15:39:26 ok everyone... time for me to catch a nap... been at this all night Feb 21 15:39:57 sadly, your Sprint Pre2 questions will have to wait until I wake... but I will be keeping an eye on the threads... I am sure Rod probably will be too Feb 21 15:41:50 sleep well cryptk Feb 21 15:45:49 ice8lue: if pre+ gets official updates, pre- will get unofficial ones :) Feb 21 15:45:55 metadoctor ftw Feb 21 15:45:58 =) Feb 21 15:46:35 Long Live Webos-Internals ;) Feb 21 15:48:14 Anyone around to assist with Pre2->Sprint conversion if I run into issues? Feb 21 15:48:48 anyone knows how long aproval for a developer device could take? Feb 21 15:48:57 roy-pre101, the only ones that have done it are me and Rod... he is sleeping... and I am going to sleep... Feb 21 15:49:16 we will be polishing the procedure up along with a few mods to meta-doc to make it easier Feb 21 15:49:26 honestly, I would recommend waiting a day or three Feb 21 15:50:12 cruel, cruel. Feb 21 15:50:27 I was just getting ready to pull the screws from my Pre2. Feb 21 15:50:54 Fair enough. I can wait. It's not like my todo list had space for me to do this anyhow. ;P Feb 21 15:51:14 roy-pre101: it's not that it *won't* work, just a question of how bleeding edge do you want to get Feb 21 15:51:20 exactly Feb 21 15:51:40 the procedure is very rough, not well documented, requires custom modification of meta-doc, etc Feb 21 15:51:52 give us a few days and we can make it go much smoother Feb 21 15:51:58 I've waited since November, I can wait a couple more days. Feb 21 15:52:26 Now, go to sleep so you can wake up and start polishing! ;) Feb 21 15:52:29 that's the spirit Feb 21 15:52:33 ice8lue: I was just checking the palm site to see if they were doing a free pre2 device thing Feb 21 15:52:36 but I couldn't find it Feb 21 15:52:40 haha, I have to sleep, wake up, fix a car, then start polishing Feb 21 15:52:47 ok, bbl Feb 21 15:52:53 later! Feb 21 15:53:01 ice8lue: so if you figure it out, let me know? Feb 21 15:53:15 I'm sure they won't approve me anyway, as I don't have any apps in the catalog Feb 21 15:53:36 summatusmentis: i think there was something on precentral that there is one Feb 21 15:53:46 ice8lue: I only can tell you that I got an excel form to fil in for the developer device yesterday. A other user got his approval on the same day as he allready had all required infromation in the mail and was quick after the announcmet. Feb 21 15:53:57 I send my mail about 5 hours after the announcement Feb 21 15:54:43 hmm...i also wrote all the information into the mail which was two days before the announcement and adam sait he would submit it for aproval Feb 21 15:54:50 one week agp Feb 21 15:54:52 ago Feb 21 15:55:28 oh, googling suggests they extended some program to "qualified developers" Feb 21 15:58:09 http://pdnblog.palm.com/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/ Feb 21 16:00:34 hape_: think i should mail him again? don't wanna stress them Feb 21 16:18:35 who else in here was looking at running the palm PDK on linux? Feb 21 16:20:57 RagingMind: that was me (well I wrote the wiki article on it) Feb 21 16:25:32 this is where my knowledge of building things fails... I have everything unpacked and I see all the different tools... but I don't see anything like a script that would set up an environment for building stuff Feb 21 16:27:40 RagingMind: so you've followed http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PDK_on_Linux and ended up with an installed PDK? the next step is following the palm instructions I think for making stuff with PDK, they require lots of changes to your makefile and so on, nothing like the WIDK which has scratchbox and you can just type "make" to compile DOOM without changes Feb 21 16:28:03 ah, k Feb 21 16:28:21 that's what I was a bit afraid of, this looks like a PITA to set up Feb 21 16:28:33 (set up compiling stuff with) Feb 21 16:28:35 I think PDK generally kind of is. Feb 21 16:28:48 WIDK is better for building stuff on but currently is massive and somewhat fragile IMO Feb 21 16:30:03 and there seem to be missing dirs in the arm-gcc directory compared to the one from palm Feb 21 16:30:05 RagingMind: my main goal with the PDK on Linux article is to get PDK on linux to be no more of a PITA than PDK on OSX or wherever Feb 21 16:30:38 right now I"m just going through comparing stuff and looking for OSX specific things Feb 21 16:30:40 which since I don't know the PDK very well, I don't know if we are there yet or not. maybe. Feb 21 16:30:57 cause that much I *can* do even if I can't actually develop something yet Feb 21 16:31:49 I know that the scripts have to change the path they're referring to java (you mentioned that earlier, right?) Feb 21 16:32:30 yep Feb 21 16:33:31 but there's also stuff like arm-gcc/sysroot from palm that's not there in the versions downloaded from codesourcery Feb 21 16:33:38 and I don't know how important that is Feb 21 16:36:39 some scripts in the examples refer to sysroot and set it as an environment variable Feb 21 16:37:44 RagingMind, destinal: because I needed the linphone service to build from the WIDK, but without having to build everything in WIDK first, I updated WIDK/cross-compile main Makefile so you just 'setup-' there, then rely on the dependency mechanism to build only what's needed Feb 21 16:38:20 Thibaud: ah... good idea Feb 21 16:38:59 Thibaud, so if I did that it'd only build the basics and not everything all at once? Feb 21 16:39:28 RagingMind, destinal: yep! This is stuff in the 'Thibaud-linphone' branch of the WIDK/cross-compile for now. Then have a look at the service/Makefile in linphone to get a better picture & an example of how to setup the Makefile there Feb 21 16:40:34 RagingMind, destinal: all I did was 'make setup-armv7' in WIDK, then 'make stage-local ARCH=armv7' in the linphone service. Then it built everything that was needed, no more. :) Feb 21 16:41:01 what would be nifty is a widk.deb :) Feb 21 16:41:16 Yay, congrats rwhitby and everyone, and thanks, for getting the Sprint Pre 2 FrankenPre working. :) Feb 21 16:41:23 I wonder if I could figure out how to put together a deb... Feb 21 16:41:43 RagingMind: debian provides tools Feb 21 16:41:46 Thibaud: btw, on a linphone related note, have you considered google talk voip support? Feb 21 16:42:05 it'd probably be easier than guessing and checking until the PDK it prodded into working Feb 21 16:42:18 summatusmentis, I've made debs before, but it was very very basic Feb 21 16:42:46 RagingMind: oh. I guess WIDK probably has a weird setup Feb 21 16:42:53 Thibaud: admittedly it goes a little beyond a straight port of the app, but it should be possible to patch upstream too, I wonder if mainline linphone would take a patch to do that Feb 21 16:43:00 putting together a deb for a build environment sounds like a very delicate process Feb 21 16:43:09 destinal: err, not yet since I'm focused on very basic stuff so it reliably works on every platform. But I'll add it to the list... ;) Feb 21 16:43:48 RagingMind: fair point Feb 21 16:45:05 first of which would be me working out how the widk builds itself... and trying to follow some of these make files isn't all that straight forward Feb 21 16:45:14 destinal: liblinphone is a straight port of the original code (arm compilation anyway). The service is a rework of the command-line program & the JS app is new stuff derived from Palm's phone app. So a bit beyond mainstream linphone I'm afraid Feb 21 16:45:19 Thibaud: I may play with it at some point, I had thought of making a dedicated google talk / google voice app that gives you SMS, cell calling via gvoice, and voip calling using gtalk, which would eliminate the need to have a phone carrier where you have wifi. I may still do that, the trick would be maybe integrating another service and finding a way to talk to linphone with it Feb 21 16:45:38 * RagingMind is giving up on the PalmPDK... too much that he can't verify/test Feb 21 16:46:56 destinal, oh... and there's a bit of a cycle on the PDK on linux page Feb 21 16:47:39 destinal: you should probably have a look at the linphone service API. Talking to the service is pretty straightforward, but may require another JS layer when it comes to "sharing" the service Feb 21 16:47:45 both 'make toolchain' and 'make doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK-Mac-1.4.5.465.pkg' pull down the palmSDK and unpack/mount it Feb 21 16:48:06 so it tries to do it 2x when following the directions on the wiki Feb 21 16:48:19 RagingMind: you probably should give WIDK/cross-compile & linphone a try to see for yourself Feb 21 16:48:48 RagingMind: hmmm, the way make works that should have a dependency on the file existing, for me it only downloaded it once Feb 21 16:49:03 are you sure you didn't change directories between making the pkg and making toolchain> Feb 21 16:49:10 ah... hmm... Feb 21 16:49:18 RagingMind: I second destinal on that one Feb 21 16:49:27 well I"m running this on debian so 'make doctors/Palm_webOS_SDK-Mac-1.4.5.465.pkg' fails at the sudo part Feb 21 16:49:38 ahhh Feb 21 16:49:49 so I looked into the makefile and finished the rest of those steps by hand Feb 21 16:50:30 RagingMind: too me no suid root is needed to build in cross-compile. I'm running on Ubuntu 9.10 as a non-root user Feb 21 16:51:04 I already had a little discussion with rod when I first hit that sudo line... seems like a silly thing for the whole process to fail over, but he's set on it being "convenient" for ubuntu users Feb 21 16:51:53 Thibaud, this was just for the PalmPDK because it requires loop mounting an HFS+ image and pulling out a file Feb 21 16:52:54 RagingMind: oh I see. I may have forgotten about that step then, will check this evening Feb 21 16:54:08 RagingMind: yeah, getting stuff out of DMG's is somewhat non-trivial Feb 21 16:56:01 I guess I could alter the make file to not do that step, then it'd complete everything else and I can dump the file in the right place... Feb 21 16:56:20 ug... widk now looks so much more promising Feb 21 16:56:59 I've been trying to get that up and running for awhile...though it's honestly at the limit of my skills right now with linux Feb 21 16:57:44 destinal, RagingMind: guess I got this issue sorted out too. I need to publish that, but I think I remember no loopback mount was required. I'll check that too Feb 21 16:57:48 I moved my pwd and my terminal followed me... Feb 21 16:58:03 Loudergood, the pdk or widk? Feb 21 16:58:22 widk, on sid Feb 21 16:58:47 Loudergood, did you hit any ubuntu-specifics or other surprises? Feb 21 16:59:23 s/this issue/the loop-mounting an HFS+ image issue/ Feb 21 16:59:24 Thibaud meant: destinal, RagingMind: guess I got the loop-mounting an HFS+ image issue sorted out too. I need to publish that, but I think I remember no loopback mount was required. I'll check that too Feb 21 16:59:55 Thibaud, you're using the PDK on linux to make linphone? Feb 21 17:00:13 the only issues I've really had involved the sdk, because there's no upstart for the novacomd daemon and sid has virtualbox 4 in it Feb 21 17:00:29 but those are easy to work around Feb 21 17:00:45 I just installed virtualbox from stable and put it on hold Feb 21 17:01:17 and put an entry in rc.local to start novacomd Feb 21 17:01:55 RagingMind: I needed Palm_webOS_SDK-Mac-1.4.5.465.pkg and the i686 ROOTFS to build linphone for the emu. So I guess this is the SDK/PDK image for the mac OS, no? Feb 21 17:02:18 s/and the/with the/ Feb 21 17:02:19 Thibaud meant: RagingMind: I needed Palm_webOS_SDK-Mac-1.4.5.465.pkg with the i686 ROOTFS to build linphone for the emu. So I guess this is the SDK/PDK image for the mac OS, no? Feb 21 17:02:31 I've been starting novacomd by hand when I need it, and I had thought about snatching an init script from somewhere and hacking it to start stuff automagically Feb 21 17:02:48 I was actually trying to do that last night Feb 21 17:03:06 cloned the one for network-manager Feb 21 17:03:13 looking at the upstart scripts from the package, it should be fairly easy Feb 21 17:04:12 I was thinking of the one from cups or rsync, something super simple Feb 21 17:04:56 hmm.... maybe not those Feb 21 17:05:07 it seems pretty obvious, but I've gotten to the point where running /etc/init.d/novacomd start does absolutely nothing Feb 21 17:08:13 Loudergood, not sure about the network manager one, but the script for saned looks delightfully simple :) Feb 21 17:11:28 indeed it does Feb 21 17:11:40 I think I may have found my missing line though.. Feb 21 17:47:55 anyone that's built the widk... is automake 1.11 okay or does it need to be automake 1.10? Feb 21 17:55:34 Palm Pre 2 Verizon - WANT. Feb 21 17:56:45 I'll be stuck on contract till the pre 4 Feb 21 18:02:54 dang Feb 21 18:03:09 anyone even felt pre2 ? Feb 21 18:03:13 same as pre2 ? Feb 21 18:03:37 I would hope so Feb 21 18:03:43 anyone in here Feb 21 18:04:25 so anyway i was with my team lead today right .. like a 1-1 Feb 21 18:04:32 he said my empathy to customers sounds scripted Feb 21 18:04:35 0_o Feb 21 18:05:45 Josef_B: did he also tell you to wear more pieces of flair? :P Feb 21 18:06:32 lol Feb 21 18:06:40 he was like smile when your talking to a customer Feb 21 18:06:43 im like there yelling at me Feb 21 18:06:45 0_o Feb 21 18:07:57 http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/its-alive-the-franken-pre-2-is-alive/ < -- is this rwhitby Feb 21 18:08:00 customers are yelling at you? Feb 21 18:08:07 it is Feb 21 18:08:09 yes Feb 21 18:08:10 i read the rest of it Feb 21 18:08:19 whats up with the do Feb 21 18:08:22 that's at the NYC dev days Feb 21 18:08:31 hair du Feb 21 18:08:40 RagingMind: not sure which automake version is needed with the WIDK. I suspect it really depends on the libraries/packages and the automake (autoconf?) version they were built with... Ran into many many troubles until I decided to have the troublesome libraries be installed (or copied) with the original timestamps preserved, so automake would not be called... Feb 21 18:16:17 question .. say i have my pre + and i decied to get a pre2 .. i backup my pre + .db3 file and i want to put it on the pre2 will this work or is it a whole diff proccess ? Feb 21 18:21:44 Josef_B, pre2 uses a different database anyway Feb 21 18:22:45 so there is no point in backing up my pre + then ? Feb 21 18:24:23 save restore can so some stuff, and at least save your messages to your flash drive/computer Feb 21 18:24:30 but it can't restore messages Feb 21 18:24:56 what info are you looking to backup/restore? lots of things get saved to your palm profile Feb 21 18:28:18 sweet I think I've succeeded with the init script Feb 21 18:29:18 http://pastebin.com/LHxmjgZ3 if you want to have a look Feb 21 18:32:28 I should document this somewhere... Feb 21 18:44:04 still needs some work... Feb 21 18:58:11 is this the channel to ask about getting into th linphone alpha? Feb 21 18:58:34 yup Feb 21 18:58:45 I am however, not the guy to ask. Feb 21 18:59:39 that's cool. who is the best person to ask? Feb 21 19:01:41 ask Tibfib i think Feb 21 19:02:33 ok. I am looking at the forum now. I know whitby is not developing but forget the developers name. Feb 21 19:03:15 thibaud, is that the guy? Feb 21 19:03:39 one of them .. most people here don't answer till later .. your early Feb 21 19:04:10 figured as much. since they all have day jobs. :) Feb 21 19:04:23 me to Feb 21 19:04:26 i just work from home Feb 21 19:04:27 :D Feb 21 19:04:37 I will come back in the evening and ask again. thanks for the help. Feb 21 19:04:38 I goof off from work. Feb 21 19:04:50 I am on state holiday. Feb 21 19:05:00 me to but i still have to work Feb 21 19:05:01 0_o Feb 21 19:05:11 * Josef_B has no union Feb 21 19:05:13 We don't get Pres. day off here. Feb 21 19:14:16 I just have the whole week off Feb 21 19:17:50 HP has made a donation to a charity on behalf of the WebOS Internals homebrew group that is valued at over $10,000. Feb 21 19:17:54 :-Ohkay. Feb 21 19:28:38 oc80z: it's upgraded servers in support of our work (though not directly to us) Feb 21 19:30:52 good thing too, with how popular HP expects webos to become... :) Feb 21 19:32:54 Loudergood: yeah if the init script works, putting it on the wiki would be good Feb 21 19:44:17 hay Feb 21 19:51:13 sup PatrickC_Pre Feb 21 19:51:31 nothin much Josef_B Feb 21 20:37:42 can wirc be installed on pre2 ? Feb 21 20:39:52 yes Feb 21 20:40:00 thru preware ? Feb 21 20:40:03 yep Feb 21 20:40:15 got it on mine last week Feb 21 20:40:26 what version of preware you on Draecos ? Feb 21 20:40:34 latest afaik Feb 21 20:40:40 will check, sec Feb 21 20:41:12 1.5.4 Feb 21 20:42:26 hi Feb 21 20:42:29 lo Feb 21 20:42:36 hay Feb 21 20:42:47 ho Feb 21 20:42:58 how's it going lol Feb 21 20:43:04 nb, self? Feb 21 20:43:35 nb, trying to figure out how to do random sayings using JS Feb 21 20:43:44 had a little bit of luck Feb 21 20:44:02 and trying to figure out how to make it stay at the bottom of the screen Feb 21 20:46:10 but this isn't the channel for that ;) Feb 21 20:46:52 I'm building a last.fm client with enyo right now Feb 21 20:47:13 the more I get into it the more discouraging the last.fm api is Feb 21 20:47:39 and apparently they don't want anyone streaming to a mobile device to its probably a lost cause :/ Feb 21 20:47:52 well, I don't think Enyo can be discussed here, as it is NDA etx` Feb 21 20:47:58 ENYO Feb 21 20:48:03 face Feb 21 20:48:07 boom! Feb 21 20:48:13 hi halfhalo Feb 21 20:48:37 I can most definitely talk about it's existence, lol Feb 21 20:48:38 so, last.fm is kinda like shoutcast? Feb 21 20:49:06 no, its like a social music discovery service Feb 21 20:49:20 anyone careto help me in Mojo over in the #webos channel? lol Feb 21 20:49:27 ahh ok Feb 21 20:49:35 shoutcast is just a list of online stations that send mp3 data over a socket connection Feb 21 20:49:47 I don't get down with mojo Feb 21 20:49:56 I'm making an app that streams Shoutcast Feb 21 20:50:06 ah that's pretty easy Feb 21 20:50:07 well, I need to learn Mojo before Enyo Feb 21 20:50:10 it was Feb 21 20:50:26 I would just forget about mojo, it's a mess Feb 21 20:50:32 compared to enyo Feb 21 20:50:47 all I need now is to make a random saying appear at the bottom, get a paypal link for the radio station, and get some backgrounds Feb 21 20:51:00 well, I haven't had much time to look at enyo Feb 21 20:51:03 var a= new Audio("http://bassdrive.com:9999").play(); boom done Feb 21 20:51:11 so.... Feb 21 20:51:13 what? Feb 21 20:51:28 that is the enyo coding to play a station???? Feb 21 20:51:32 yeah Feb 21 20:51:34 that is sooooo easy! lol Feb 21 20:51:39 well, just html 5 Feb 21 20:51:41 can I PM? Feb 21 20:51:58 im about to play some sc2 heheh Feb 21 20:52:04 lol Feb 21 20:53:19 if sc2 will ever finish patching Feb 21 20:53:27 Love me a snow day :D Feb 21 21:04:13 yeah, I've been finding a lot of APIs out there just really suck :C Feb 21 21:04:28 hay sineot! Feb 21 21:05:36 pandora! Feb 21 21:05:58 Josef_B! Feb 21 22:03:15 ohai guys. i use the messaging plugins for jabber with my pixi+ but everytime i "turn off data" (edge/3g) im not able to send messages anymore (jabber). Feb 21 22:03:27 workaround: restart luna Feb 21 22:03:55 not sure I follow: you turn data off, then back on and aren't able to send? Feb 21 22:04:26 yes Feb 21 22:05:02 i dont know if it is a pixi specific bug :/ Feb 21 22:05:38 how good is the pre2 on battery ? Feb 21 22:06:04 would be nice if someone could test this on another webos device or a pixi Feb 21 22:06:47 i still hope its just a problem with my configuration :/ Feb 21 22:07:09 Josef_B, depends on how often you check email etc. Mine with email every 1/2hr lasts 10-12hrs Feb 21 22:07:47 hm, how badly does checking for new items as they arrive do to the battery? Feb 21 22:07:51 Hi everyone :) Feb 21 22:08:44 SineOt: Depends largely on the amount of email you receive and the roaming between cells your phone do Feb 21 22:09:34 can pre2 be overclocked even though its 1ghz ? Feb 21 22:09:39 The phone will have a persistent connection to a server that will need to be reestablished if the ip address change Feb 21 22:10:48 probably no point in overclocking pre2 Feb 21 22:10:49 so probably less than I expected it would. If I'm in a situation where I'm switching towers it's on a charger Feb 21 22:11:45 weirdly, because of how imap works, it's probably the most economical option for checking, battery-wise... Feb 21 22:11:55 persistent connection means no endless TLS handshakes Feb 21 22:12:46 But if you schedule your email to be checked every 30 minutes, for example, you'll get a big increase in battery life (of course, if your phone is just there sitting) Feb 21 22:13:24 speaking of the pre2, has anyone here ever tried putting webos 2.0 on thier first gen pre? Feb 21 22:13:29 Also, leaving data on drains battery, as again, the phone is trying to keep a connection with your isp Feb 21 22:14:10 dumbledore: the first blocker you'll find is that the webOS doctor for Pre 2 won't let you install it on a Pre Feb 21 22:14:49 lol yeah i know Feb 21 22:14:57 but i mean if you were to meta-doctor it Feb 21 22:15:01 And even if you manage to install it, the hardware is a bit different, so the kernel modules differ also, so you'll end with a nice device that never boots :) Feb 21 22:15:12 lol Feb 21 22:15:43 eh i dont care much for the features of 2.0, i just like the smooth scrolling UI Feb 21 22:15:57 1.4.X tends to lag when you swipe left to right Feb 21 22:16:36 I don't think the meta doctor support that, but anyway, the smooth scrolling is because of hardware acceleration, which comes with said modules to which nobody has the source (except HP) Feb 21 22:17:09 Yeah, it tends to lag a bit :) Feb 21 22:17:11 NuttyBunny you got a pre2 ? Feb 21 22:17:36 No, no Pre 2 yet :) Feb 21 22:17:40 yet? Feb 21 22:17:54 i heard battery rocks! Feb 21 22:18:00 yeah me too Feb 21 22:18:02 I want one! :D hehehe Feb 21 22:18:05 lol Feb 21 22:18:32 well i just went to reboot my pre and now thers a low battery sign on -_- Feb 21 22:18:57 booo.. you'll have to charge it at least to 4% to boot :( Feb 21 22:19:12 yeah. i think this battery is bad Feb 21 22:19:35 charged at 60% before i left home, 20 minutes later it reported 0% and pre was still running Feb 21 22:20:50 very, very bad... you may want to install DrBattery, but at this rate you'd better go and buy a new battery, and quickly! Feb 21 22:21:56 my original Pre battery was dying from 40 to 0% :) Feb 21 22:22:25 i learned to turn of data Feb 21 22:22:39 in creases battery drasticlly Feb 21 22:22:48 pfft .. i will just use wifi when i want to do stuff Feb 21 22:22:53 i still have text and phone Feb 21 22:23:08 i will turn on data when need be Feb 21 22:23:50 NuttyBunny: whose your service provider Feb 21 22:23:54 Too bad 1.4.x has the wifi going off problem, you turn the display off, and hours later you look and see that the wifi has been disconnected :( Feb 21 22:24:00 dumbledore: Telcel, in Mexico Feb 21 22:24:20 wow Feb 21 22:24:23 even with all the bloodshead Feb 21 22:24:26 0_o Feb 21 22:24:50 lul Feb 21 22:25:14 whats the name of the patch which modifize the gtalk function to jabber in general? i cant find it with preware :( Feb 21 22:26:10 hopefully it works better than gregs implementation Feb 21 22:26:18 lumines: I think there's none... the only I remember is the one that changes the gtalk servers for facebook, to login to facebook... Feb 21 22:26:43 lumines: I think you're talkinga bout the Facebook Chat Spoof Feb 21 22:27:16 just type Facebook into the first page of preware and it should pull up search results Feb 21 22:27:29 seems like im messing up something Feb 21 22:28:22 oh, ok, thanks Feb 21 22:30:18 http://www.ailis.de/~k/archives/56-Generic-Jabber-XMPP-with-webOS.html Feb 21 22:30:31 ok, it wasnt a simple patch Feb 21 22:30:54 oh Feb 21 22:30:57 :P Feb 21 22:31:16 havent tried it yet Feb 21 22:31:17 http://sacramento.craigslist.org/mob/2222122428.html Feb 21 22:31:21 what do you guys think ? Feb 21 22:31:41 but i hope it works better ... Feb 21 22:31:42 bad deal Feb 21 22:31:46 ^ Feb 21 22:31:53 $20 ? Feb 21 22:31:59 aren't they like $40 Feb 21 22:32:01 you can get one for like $9 on ebay w/ shipping if you look hard enough Feb 21 22:32:05 > New kits sell for ~$70 from Palm (HP.) Feb 21 22:32:06 http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=refineBundlesByPhone&phoneId=5129 < Verizon touchstone + car charger with overnight shipping for 14 Feb 21 22:32:16 70? really? Feb 21 22:32:18 *g* Feb 21 22:32:19 wow lol Feb 21 22:32:21 varies by state, I know entering CA will show you the bundles Feb 21 22:32:26 maybe he's just exaggurating Feb 21 22:32:38 pfft Feb 21 22:32:46 ebay takes weeks to get stuff from them Feb 21 22:32:48 when it was new, it was like 70 Feb 21 22:32:50 and don't order on a friday Feb 21 22:32:52 you will never get it Feb 21 22:32:56 vzw car charget != palm car charger Feb 21 22:33:17 Josef_B: you don't actually order anything from ebay Feb 21 22:33:17 so? Feb 21 22:33:22 you order from random dude Feb 21 22:33:25 lumines: you'll still only have one jabber account, labeled as google, but if you put username@server.bla , you'll be able to use the other server instead of the google ones, it doesn't do much else Feb 21 22:33:26 what does != mean? i always wondered Feb 21 22:33:26 the vzw one is high powered Feb 21 22:33:27 who will ship it when he gets around to it Feb 21 22:33:27 oh, i have like 8 palm ones Feb 21 22:33:28 lol Feb 21 22:33:32 dumbledore: not equal to Feb 21 22:33:36 oh :3 Feb 21 22:33:38 oil: from what got said in #webos, the VZW charger in that kit will run a touchstone + charge an iphone at the same time Feb 21 22:33:39 dumbledore i just saw it .. its $9.99 on ebay Feb 21 22:33:43 sorry, code speak xD Feb 21 22:33:52 http://is.gd/7jS2qb Feb 21 22:33:53 from the first dev days Feb 21 22:34:10 USED? Feb 21 22:34:12 lol Feb 21 22:34:12 NuttyBunny: this works without any modification? Feb 21 22:34:54 * halfhalo uses the cords from the palm car chargers Feb 21 22:35:15 the pixi's backing is a real fail Feb 21 22:35:17 wow palm pixi + touchstone $100 Feb 21 22:35:29 palm should have made a better design Feb 21 22:35:37 dumbledore for ? Feb 21 22:35:46 the rubber backing Feb 21 22:35:49 lumines: If you look closely, there's a "sed" command, that's the "only" real modification you'll have to do (you're modifying a binary file), the other one are the certificates, but it seems somewhat safe Feb 21 22:35:51 yeah, it sucks Feb 21 22:35:51 battery cover Feb 21 22:36:01 layers peel off Feb 21 22:36:05 yeah Feb 21 22:36:13 that happens to my mouse Feb 21 22:36:26 if it was all plastic, it would have been a complete different story Feb 21 22:36:33 my new mouse is weird Feb 21 22:36:37 like og sprint pre-? Feb 21 22:36:41 shiney back = fail Feb 21 22:36:53 lol im a fan for the plastic pre Feb 21 22:36:55 ts back = win Feb 21 22:36:55 agreed - I like the pixi keyboard and back better. Feb 21 22:37:15 The shiny back of my original Pre is no longer shiny ;) Feb 21 22:37:20 except in the summer, my hands are sweaty and things tend to.. slip Feb 21 22:37:21 mine is Feb 21 22:37:27 because its been in the box the entire time Feb 21 22:37:31 because it was that bad Feb 21 22:37:38 :D lol Feb 21 22:37:50 I stuck a protective cover on mine and its been in the box since Feb 21 22:37:52 and you can't charge on a touchstone! Feb 21 22:37:58 mine is scratched all over... Feb 21 22:38:09 ^^ Feb 21 22:38:10 NuttyBunny: i already understood that. :P Feb 21 22:38:18 mmm... but you can operate on it and transplant the coil :) Feb 21 22:38:22 I should find my pre... Feb 21 22:38:32 my pre is in pretty mint condition, except for the big crack coming from the screen :3 Feb 21 22:38:41 same here Feb 21 22:38:49 one crack by usb, one in lower right corner Feb 21 22:38:55 oh, except the big ass crack Feb 21 22:38:55 lol Feb 21 22:39:06 lumines: so, go ahead and do it ;) Just remember, you'll only have one server... and I'm almost sure you'll end you with your jabber contacts scattered all over your contacts app :D Feb 21 22:39:18 anyone here have sprint Feb 21 22:39:33 guess not lol Feb 21 22:39:56 yep Feb 21 22:40:00 my Pre only has a small dent where I dropped once on pavement, fortunately it was inside its sleeve so almost nothing happened to it Feb 21 22:40:11 I lost my sleeve, thus the crack Feb 21 22:40:17 i dropped mine down a flight of cement steps Feb 21 22:40:23 pro Feb 21 22:40:24 not even a scratch! Feb 21 22:41:17 My sleeve got lost too, I had to use an old ipod belt case :) Feb 21 22:41:24 just a little "divot" out of the side of the ts back Feb 21 22:41:31 you guys actually used the sleeping bag? Feb 21 22:41:43 its too hard to get the phone out of it to be useful Feb 21 22:42:13 im about to buy another pre... does anyone know where i can just purchase the comm board alone? Feb 21 22:42:30 never seen one for sale like that Feb 21 22:42:33 pre2 swap? Feb 21 22:42:37 you need more then just the board Feb 21 22:42:44 you need the tokens Feb 21 22:42:44 preONEBILLION swap Feb 21 22:42:45 nah, original pre to original pre. Feb 21 22:42:56 i think you still need the tokens Feb 21 22:42:57 oil: For the Pre w/shiny back it was easy, with the TS cover is a bit harder Feb 21 22:42:58 my pre keeps falling back go 1x Feb 21 22:43:07 Anyone know where I can get just a new screen? :) Feb 21 22:43:17 NuttyBunny: yeah, pre2 doesn't come with shiney back, OR sleeping bag Feb 21 22:43:17 lol ebay Feb 21 22:43:35 awwww Feb 21 22:43:51 well, the plus only cam with ts back Feb 21 22:44:02 oil: no sleeping bag? mmm... I'll have to take really good care with me :) Feb 21 22:44:12 * oil pours some of his 40 on the ground for the sleeping bag Feb 21 22:44:15 my Plus came with ts back and sleeping bag :S (AT&T) Feb 21 22:44:17 ... Feb 21 22:44:23 so what should i get? Water damaged pre or barely responsive screen pre Feb 21 22:44:32 i just need the comm board :P Feb 21 22:44:45 I'd go with option #2 Feb 21 22:44:45 * NuttyBunny goes for barely responsive screen Feb 21 22:44:53 * oil really needs to get lunch Feb 21 22:44:56 * oil bbl Feb 21 22:45:02 its like 3 Feb 21 22:45:07 its linner now Feb 21 22:45:19 mmm linner Feb 21 22:45:20 no Feb 21 22:45:22 its breakfast Feb 21 22:45:25 because i woke up an hour ago Feb 21 22:45:31 ... Feb 21 22:45:34 depends where you are and your personal schedule :) Feb 21 22:45:37 kids these days Feb 21 22:45:48 lol, as if you were older then me xD Feb 21 22:46:18 "You darn kids, get off my lawn!" Feb 21 22:46:55 is #webos-internals news/ most up to date information on twtiter ? Feb 21 22:47:01 i noticed the topic here never changes Feb 21 22:47:03 yes Feb 21 22:48:22 From the moment of power on, device is constantly making random selections on screen, making desired navigation impossible. Feb 21 22:48:28 bad digitizer or bad controller? Feb 21 22:48:39 is there even a controller Feb 21 22:48:52 doesn't it come with the digitizer? :) Feb 21 22:48:58 lol yeah it does Feb 21 22:49:01 Probably a bad digitizer or a grounding issue with the screen Feb 21 22:49:14 fixable? Feb 21 22:49:48 mmm... perhaps opening, cleaning, closing, but I really don't think so Feb 21 22:50:21 eh... :/ Feb 21 22:50:31 probably not Feb 21 22:50:36 Is it possible to install WebOS2.0 on a Sprint Pre Plussed now that the VZW doctor is out? Feb 21 22:50:40 but if all you need is a comms board... that'd be better Feb 21 22:50:51 the VZW doctor is for the Pre2, so no Feb 21 22:50:53 Davide-NYC: nooooooooo :) Feb 21 22:51:10 Hmm. Feb 21 22:51:11 No. Feb 21 22:51:13 That's not what I wanted to hear, but thank you. Feb 21 22:51:14 yeah im still wondering if the 1x fallback issue is a faulty comm board Feb 21 22:51:24 i dont wanna buy another pre and have the same issue Feb 21 22:51:37 If you had a Sprint Pre Double Plussed Two, then yes Feb 21 22:51:41 have you tried reflashing the modem? Feb 21 22:51:45 how do i do that Feb 21 22:51:50 Carefully Feb 21 22:51:53 dumbledore me to .. even though this pre was 0 dollars but cost me 2 year renewal contract Feb 21 22:51:54 :D Feb 21 22:51:59 yes, very carefully ;) Feb 21 22:52:03 lol Feb 21 22:52:09 I'd have to find the instructions... Feb 21 22:52:11 someone pm me please :P Feb 21 22:52:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/ModemFW_Flash Feb 21 22:52:45 if this works, i'll love you forever Feb 21 22:53:10 Be careful Feb 21 22:53:19 It can permanently ruin the modem, too Feb 21 22:53:30 I only tried it as my modem in my first pre died Feb 21 22:53:36 And i was stuck at the profile login page Feb 21 22:53:38 And couldn't log in. Feb 21 22:53:46 Now I have a refurb Feb 21 22:54:49 Hey guys Feb 21 22:55:56 somebody please tell me Feb 21 22:56:08 what? Feb 21 22:56:10 if i make a call i can multitask .. if i get a incoming call i can't swype up or anything Feb 21 22:56:49 Oo that definitely sounds strangecenter button not working? Feb 21 22:57:04 ice8lue im on a pre + Feb 21 22:57:19 well so center touch^ Feb 21 22:57:29 i would have to test it again Feb 21 22:58:28 you can't multitask even after answering the call? Feb 21 22:58:35 morning Feb 21 22:58:45 morning Rod :) Feb 21 22:58:57 Congrats on the Franken Pre 2 Feb 21 22:59:08 cheers Feb 21 22:59:26 need a second guinea pig to test restoring the palm-build-info Feb 21 22:59:44 palm-build-info? Feb 21 22:59:54 yep Feb 21 23:00:05 meaning? Feb 21 23:00:46 <+rwhitby> need a second guinea pig to test restoring the palm-build-info < -- lol i feel like an object Feb 21 23:00:48 :D Feb 21 23:00:49 the /etc/palm-build-info file, which is referenced in the PreCentral thread on the subject which you should read first if you want to participate Feb 21 23:01:04 You'll change palm-build-info to see if it affects in any way to access the catalog? Feb 21 23:01:17 for the sprint pre2? Feb 21 23:01:31 well, I don't even have a sprint pre-, or an unlocked pre2 Feb 21 23:02:09 PatrickC_Pixi: why are you asking me questions about it then? Feb 21 23:02:15 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development-3.html <-- if you don't have it Feb 21 23:02:25 rwhitby: because he's PatrickC_Pixi Feb 21 23:02:27 NuttyBunny: I know it will fix what webOS version Preware thinks is running, and may allow 2.0-only apps from app catalog when that happens Feb 21 23:02:49 can it be done with a Pixi coms board? Feb 21 23:02:59 NuttyBunny: if it does so without changing the profile record to 9.9.9, then we're golden. Feb 21 23:03:17 Pixi and Pre have physically and electrically incompatible comms boards. as does the Pre 3. Feb 21 23:03:34 well shit, that blew my question -_- Feb 21 23:03:43 i was gona ask that Feb 21 23:03:50 Pre-, Pre+ and Pre 2 are compatible, no others. Feb 21 23:04:22 well, that stinks Feb 21 23:04:24 rwhitby: Aah, right... I've read somewhere of people doctoring back to 1.4.x and fixing 9.9.9 issues, so you could have plenty of tries, but I'm not that sure that it works Feb 21 23:04:41 as rods here, do you think my pre falling back into 1x is a physical comm board issue, or can it be fixed by reflashing firmware? Feb 21 23:04:54 yeah, we can get back to 1.4.x "easily" (just put it back in a Pre- and flash 1.4.5) Feb 21 23:05:13 dumbledore: have you run the webOS doctor on it yet? Feb 21 23:05:23 yeah, multiple times Feb 21 23:05:42 that reflashes the modem firmware. so it's a hardware problem. Feb 21 23:06:02 ok, off to getting another pre i go :D Feb 21 23:06:03 but doesn't the doctor reflash the modem only on upgrades? Feb 21 23:06:08 there's some CDMA thing you can do to reset the provisioning too, but I know nothing about that. Feb 21 23:22:36 if i had a sprint phone i could help 0_o Feb 21 23:23:55 i just bidded on a pre for $1 :D Feb 21 23:23:59 hopefully i win Feb 21 23:24:31 dumbledore sprint pre ? Feb 21 23:26:38 I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-63-Palm-PRE-P100EWW-Sprint-CDMA-cell-phone-part-/290530156095?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a4f25e3f Feb 21 23:27:10 nice Feb 21 23:27:14 yeah josef Feb 21 23:27:22 lolwut Feb 21 23:27:33 dumbledore did you see NuttyBunny link Feb 21 23:27:38 yeah Feb 21 23:27:41 thats alot Feb 21 23:27:50 1k for that many phones :P Feb 21 23:28:06 hehehe... sorry, I sorted "Highest price first" :) Feb 21 23:28:34 :3 Feb 21 23:28:45 dont bid on the time ending soonest one >:) Feb 21 23:28:49 >:o** Feb 21 23:29:32 evening everyone! Feb 21 23:29:37 heh i think im gonna win :D Feb 21 23:30:08 hi thibaud Feb 21 23:30:41 hi dumbledore Feb 21 23:31:07 so bidding on "legacy" devices? ;) Feb 21 23:31:39 Gotta go, I have to skip traffic :) Feb 21 23:32:22 hahaha Feb 21 23:32:24 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-BROKEN-Sprint-PARTS-/310297318182?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item483f295326 Feb 21 23:32:29 won for .99 Feb 21 23:33:23 nice job dumbledore Feb 21 23:37:16 The housing of the unit has sustained visible cosmetic damage... I hope the comms board still works :) Feb 21 23:38:05 lol Feb 21 23:38:07 wow Feb 21 23:38:12 thanks for that nuttybunny.. Feb 21 23:39:33 no, I really mean it, I really hope it works :D Feb 21 23:39:54 I just wish I could buy so cheap over here (and with fast shipping) Feb 21 23:40:27 I have to buy from dealextreme and wait 4 or 5 weeks because from the US the shipping costs 24 or more dollars :S Feb 21 23:42:49 :P Feb 21 23:44:11 where do you live nuttybunny Feb 21 23:44:22 Mexico City Feb 21 23:44:28 aw dang Feb 21 23:50:26 Yeah, it's hard to keep up with HP/Palm over here ;) Feb 21 23:53:24 is there any progress on getting a terminal app working on webos 2.0? Feb 21 23:53:36 nope Feb 21 23:53:44 prod destinal on that one :) Feb 21 23:54:30 damn, that makes it hard for me to explore this thing on the go Feb 21 23:54:32 :) Feb 21 23:54:59 shinkamui: oh, terminal, right. I guess if I had spent even a fraction of the time I had spent on trying to get 2.0 working on pre/pre+ on fixing terminal it would be fixed by now :) Feb 21 23:55:14 lol Feb 21 23:55:21 well, Im not pointing any fingers or anything Feb 21 23:55:49 im 2 days in, and generally pretty excited, but there are a few things I wanted to explore today Feb 21 23:55:49 there's secure shell for 2.x, isn't it? Feb 21 23:56:20 I withdrew it due to a security vulnerability. Feb 21 23:57:29 NuttyBunny: it needs to be plugin-ified. for now the secure shell app was just opening a port that other apps could also talk to to gain root access Feb 21 23:58:35 I think secure shell will be the best way to go though Feb 21 23:58:53 eventually Feb 22 00:05:43 now correct me if im wrong, is this secure shell we're referring to just an internal ssh server like openssh that needs to be connected to via a pc client, or are you talking about an app on the device that will give a local shell using ssh Feb 22 00:06:17 because the ssh server is all well and good, but not going to be useful for vzw customers who don't have access to their wifi network in the desired location Feb 22 00:06:19 :( Feb 22 00:06:23 I am one such sucker Feb 22 00:07:00 work is extremely pesky about what devices can hit the corporate network, and the "guest" network that phones are allowed on is on a segregated vlan with no bridging Feb 22 00:07:05 in either direction :( Feb 22 00:10:46 install a no-ip client and bounce through the internet Feb 22 00:11:12 Loudergood, verizon blocks all inbound traffic Feb 22 00:11:22 shinkamui: it's an app on the device Feb 22 00:11:34 use it with the "guest" wifi Feb 22 00:11:45 I got it Feb 22 00:12:02 err, I got ya is what I meant Feb 22 00:12:15 hay Feb 22 00:13:16 sorry to bring this back up Feb 22 00:13:17 but Feb 22 00:13:31 does poor wifi reception part of a bad comm board Feb 22 00:13:51 rwhitby: hah, I told you there would be some confusion on the name! ;) Feb 22 00:13:55 pixi gets full bars on wifi, pre gets barely the lowest dot Feb 22 00:14:51 dumbledore: could be an issue with the internal antenna in the Pre Feb 22 00:15:15 dumbledore: fixed mine by soldering a short wire to the CPU board... Feb 22 00:15:31 * Josef_B thought he was a nerd Feb 22 00:15:41 have pictures, let me find them if you wish Feb 22 00:16:28 yeah Feb 22 00:16:33 i'd appreciate that Feb 22 00:17:09 maybe i dont have to get a new comm board after all if thats the case Feb 22 00:17:14 there you are http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/271655-wifi-not-working-after-phone-hit-floor.html (you need to sign-in to see the pictures) Feb 22 00:17:18 thanks :D Feb 22 00:17:51 did I mention you'll need to open your Pre down to the guts? ;) Feb 22 00:18:22 rwhitby, Loudergood, you' guys are going to have to clarify something for me. I thought no-ip was like dyndns.org, and im not seeing anything to the contrary Feb 22 00:18:32 perhaps you can point me to the right documentation? Feb 22 00:20:16 shinkamui: I think Loudergood was talking about something completely different to what destinal and I were talking about. Feb 22 00:20:43 dumbledore: Did I miss something? loose antenna? Feb 22 00:21:14 rwhitby, happen to have the name of the app, or some keywords I can use to search? my wild imagination is yielding nothing pre related Feb 22 00:21:15 :) Feb 22 00:21:57 NuttyBunny: idk whats going on inside the phone Feb 22 00:22:03 maybe i could be a loose antenna Feb 22 00:22:18 i never bothered to check it, sprint is gonna do a free diagnosis for it Feb 22 00:22:30 I'm looking shinkamui, but for some reason my phone is dog slow Feb 22 00:22:39 its out of warranty, but the rep waived the fee and gave me a free airave Feb 22 00:22:58 im pretty sure its gonna come down to a bad comm board if anything Feb 22 00:23:54 heh, nice! and if it turns out to be the coms board you'll have the ebay one arriving soon :) Feb 22 00:24:03 shinkamui: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/secureshell.git;a=summary Feb 22 00:24:07 yup :) Feb 22 00:24:18 if its not, then i wasted $10 Feb 22 00:24:19 :P Feb 22 00:24:27 dumbledore: as destinal mentioned, wifi issue & comm boards are totally unrelated on a Pre, while they are "totally" related on a Pixi Feb 22 00:24:39 oh really Feb 22 00:24:45 i didnt read that :P Feb 22 00:25:04 is the comm board detachable on the pre? Feb 22 00:25:12 aha, shinkamui, the app that does that is called ez-ipupdate Feb 22 00:25:17 You could save the Pre for spare parts :) Feb 22 00:25:44 yeah i should... Feb 22 00:26:03 Loudergood, the problem with that, is that all that app does is provide your dynamic IP with a constant domain name Feb 22 00:26:16 yep, I've dismantled mine down to every single piece maybe up to 10 times, and this is my day-to-day phone Feb 22 00:26:25 it doesn't do anything to assist with routing Feb 22 00:27:08 Thibaud: cryptk|offline swapped his comms board 12 times in 4 hours last night as we were testing the Sprint Pre 2 alternatives. Feb 22 00:27:28 rwhitby: I was rewatching the dev days presentation where Phil McKinney was reaching in his pocket and trying to make sure he pulled out the right device to get a pre2 out of the pocket, mentioned he had to make sure he didn't pull out something else. A pre3 or a veer, do you think? Feb 22 00:27:28 crazy Feb 22 00:27:44 rwhitby: yep, read that. But you lead the path long before us and I grateful for that :) Feb 22 00:27:56 s/I/I'm/ Feb 22 00:27:57 Thibaud meant: rwhitby: yep, read that. But you lead the path long before us and I'm grateful for that :) Feb 22 00:28:54 I guess cryptk|offline won the dismantling contest by far ;) Feb 22 00:29:02 destinal where is devs day presentation .. is teh whole thing on youtube ? Feb 22 00:29:13 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2133 Feb 22 00:29:27 oh wow Feb 22 00:29:29 Bookmark! Feb 22 00:32:35 shinkamui: I was suggesting routing from your work network, out to the internet, and then into the guest network Feb 22 00:34:32 I have no idea how you would accomplish such a goal Feb 22 00:34:38 the only way into either network would be through the ASA Feb 22 00:35:11 and that I guarantee would never happen without the sr engineer setting up a virtual ip forward Feb 22 00:35:27 or maybe Im not following you Feb 22 00:36:12 traversing the corp network out to the net, and looking up the IP from the ddns service is no problem Feb 22 00:36:32 when it comes time to connect, that IP is going to resolve into a private class B and is not routable from the internet Feb 22 00:37:06 if I used the verizon cdma interface, I'd still have the same exact problem Feb 22 00:38:08 I'd need something that provided an intermediary, eg, a server on the net, that tunnels traffic into the device once the device has connected via a service Feb 22 00:38:35 and its not unthinkable to use ssh tunnelling, however, Im right back to square one. How do I set up the ssh tunnel if I can't get to the terminal? Feb 22 00:38:36 :-D Feb 22 00:39:25 damn it, Ill fight with this for a while, but thanks for all your suggestions, thanks rwhitby for the link, Im building it now Feb 22 00:39:59 had to install a git client, I only have arm linux boxes at home, so I figured I might as well just do this on my 7 box Feb 22 00:47:54 ha ha, took me a second, just needed to be packaged Feb 22 00:47:59 thought I had to build the shellinabox Feb 22 00:48:01 :-D Feb 22 00:49:46 Argh, stupid Telcel. Guys! Question! :) Is it normal for wIRC to get stuck after roaming between cell towers and never connecting again until I restart it? :@ Feb 22 00:50:20 I remember it not being like that before :( Feb 22 00:52:37 NuttyBunny, ask PuffTheMagic Feb 22 00:53:33 mmm... I'll ask later, right now Telcel is being unreliable (well, dates back to november)... :( Thanks Feb 22 01:00:03 shinkamui: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=nonworking/secureshell;h=0841b539882630aba0e8950a87d59ad9a1a8f6fc;hb=HEAD to build it Feb 22 01:05:18 rwhitby, I think I screwed up somewhere, must be missing something Feb 22 01:05:26 nothing is running on port 4200 Feb 22 01:05:41 do I need to preconfigure openssh to use port 2400? Feb 22 01:05:57 which would be odd considering the web component Feb 22 01:07:25 ok Feb 22 01:07:53 CTLAdvance: the idea is that we flash verizon doctor, but set everything that the login process looks at to be sprint 1.4.5 values Feb 22 01:08:24 yep Feb 22 01:08:31 CTLAdvance: we believe that the combination of a Sprint device record (which never changes, and it linked to MEID) and a 2.x version is what causes the 9.9.9 Feb 22 01:08:49 ok ill have to try this later on Feb 22 01:08:59 I am locked out, but if what your saying is true Feb 22 01:09:00 so you can't fix that unless you present a valid webOS version for the sprint carrier, the latest of which is 1.4.5 Feb 22 01:09:06 hopefully I will get my profile unlocked Feb 22 01:09:10 correct Feb 22 01:09:30 * halfhalo is finally playing with a pixi soon, and will attempt sprint pre2 Feb 22 01:09:32 it will be a good test, with nothing to lose really Feb 22 01:09:34 I will try and do this today/tomorrow and then I can let you know Feb 22 01:09:39 whats the new firmware version Feb 22 01:09:50 verizon pre 2 2.0.1 Feb 22 01:09:58 for the comboard Feb 22 01:10:02 RC1.7 Feb 22 01:10:07 rwhitby, are there prereqs for secureshell Feb 22 01:10:27 shinkamui: you're building from build.git ? Feb 22 01:10:45 at the momemnt, im working with your already built version Feb 22 01:11:00 thats interesting rwhitby, I have mine at CC1.8(587) Feb 22 01:11:01 shinkamui: use the build.git Makefile Feb 22 01:11:18 CTLAdvance: yep, that's the sekret one Feb 22 01:11:20 I wonder how this compares to the vzw firmware Feb 22 01:11:31 yep Feb 22 01:11:41 eits the one that no longer exists or ever existed Feb 22 01:12:08 CTLAdvance: http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/5d/Pre2-sprint-2.0.1.png shows the result Feb 22 01:12:14 has anyone else tried with a locked out profile before Feb 22 01:12:35 CTLAdvance: we've turned a 9.9.9 profile back to 1.4.5 by flashing the comms board to 1.4.5 on a Pre- Feb 22 01:12:42 we haven't tried it directly on the Pre 2 yet Feb 22 01:12:59 but it should work the same, since we're masquerading as the Pre- Feb 22 01:13:22 ok this is interesting Feb 22 01:13:35 my profile, no longer has a device associated or a version Feb 22 01:13:38 very interesting Feb 22 01:13:49 let me look at the one im on now Feb 22 01:14:09 right. the version it gets depends on the comms board carrier and software build number that is presented at the next profile login Feb 22 01:14:29 if those two things do not create a valid combination, you get 9.9.9 Feb 22 01:14:33 rwhitby for a while my device was registered for 2 different accounts Feb 22 01:14:46 yep, but only one would have been active Feb 22 01:14:51 the second one, that I made because I was locked out is listed at 9,9.9 Feb 22 01:15:11 sprint comms board and webOS 2.0 ? Feb 22 01:15:14 yes Feb 22 01:15:23 yep, that's what does it Feb 22 01:15:43 ok ill reflash this then this week, and will let you know if it works Feb 22 01:16:11 so old news Feb 22 01:16:16 im watching the webos dev day Feb 22 01:16:28 bbl Feb 22 01:16:28 phil mckinney said palm is hiring eh Feb 22 01:16:56 if webos had a callcenter/ tech support i would be hired .. i love my customers and customer statisfaction :D Feb 22 01:19:40 lol Feb 22 01:19:44 I'm sure they do Feb 22 01:48:57 rwhitby, you still around Feb 22 01:49:00 need a tiny favor Feb 22 01:49:21 I think I figured out what the problem is Feb 22 01:49:37 secureshell binary loses its flags on an ntfs filesystem Feb 22 01:49:45 so when the app runs, THAT doesn't Feb 22 01:49:56 but I can't ssh or term into the device to chmod the executable Feb 22 01:49:57 :( Feb 22 01:50:08 so I think Im gonna need a prebuild ipk, if you have one handy Feb 22 01:52:38 shinkamui: you build an ipk using the build.git Makefile, then install it with Preware Feb 22 01:52:59 I'm assuming you have novaterm access to the device. If not, fix that first. Feb 22 01:53:18 I have novaterm partially working, but when I hit the putty link borked! Feb 22 01:53:38 I can get the browser working, and the palm-* commands work fine Feb 22 01:59:54 novaterm -t open tty:// ? Feb 22 02:01:05 novaterm actually runs novacom -t open tty:// .. so it's all novacom Feb 22 02:01:42 Sorry, that's what i meant Feb 22 02:01:50 understandable :) Feb 22 02:15:38 sweet Feb 22 02:15:41 thats sooo friggen helpful Feb 22 02:15:59 novacom -t open tty:// works, but shows all the vt100 escape characters Feb 22 02:18:53 good call on the novaterm, thanks Feb 22 02:18:58 that solves all my problems Feb 22 02:19:24 I need to spend more time ont eh internals wiki page Feb 22 02:51:26 rwhitby: when secureshell is launched, what flags is it launched with? Feb 22 02:55:46 Hi again everyone Feb 22 02:59:49 rwhitby, close, verbose console output localhost - - [21/Feb/2011:20:55:52 -0600] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 4883 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:57 2011