**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:58 2011 Feb 22 03:37:23 FYI, webOSRoundup is doing a live video podcast at http://www.webosroundup.com/wor-radio-live/ with the chat window here in #webosroundup Feb 22 03:57:52 hello Feb 22 04:03:37 PatrickC_Pre, hello Feb 22 04:03:46 how's it goin? Feb 22 04:06:31 fixed it rwhitby, turns out it was a problem with ssl Feb 22 04:06:37 work is boring. I'd rather be playing with my phone or watching my nightly news Feb 22 04:07:26 school is boring. I'd rather be coding or playing with my phone Feb 22 04:13:56 work is awsome! I constantly code, play with my phone and watch the daily news Feb 22 04:13:58 :-D Feb 22 04:14:18 can I have your job? Feb 22 04:15:12 i think i.. did something wrong Feb 22 04:15:49 i was flashing modem and it said "Start flashing modem...." Feb 22 04:16:00 then it said Segmentation fault Feb 22 04:16:24 oops Feb 22 04:16:31 and went back to root@palm-webos-device Feb 22 04:16:40 hope i didnt break anything Feb 22 04:19:28 heh, still good :D Feb 22 04:19:50 still a phone/data connection? Feb 22 04:19:58 yep, 1x Feb 22 04:20:07 signed into aim Feb 22 04:20:53 loaded facebook Feb 22 04:21:07 all is well :), still didnt solve my issue though Feb 22 04:31:24 so, the modem reflashing didn't work... Feb 22 04:35:51 nope Feb 22 04:36:24 is there a guide to downgrade the PRL Feb 22 04:53:13 well I cheated rwhitby, for the time being, It seems the secureshell executable isn't launched by the application, and Im still an infant when it comes to pre app structure. So I force secureshell to start up in the background at boot. Now I know what you meant by its totally unsecure and you pulled it for that reason Feb 22 04:53:26 Ill need to do something smarter with it when I get a little more dev experience Feb 22 04:53:34 im making that my first project Feb 22 04:54:07 shinkamui: awesome. drop me a line when you need git access to contribute Feb 22 04:54:18 sounds good buddy Feb 22 04:54:32 shinkamui: the build.git packaging should cause it to be started in the postinst script Feb 22 04:55:04 aah, I didn't use that, this box is not make capable Feb 22 04:55:22 Ill work on it at work tomorrow on one of my debian boxes Feb 22 04:55:34 I just got the sdk installed at work today, so Im ready to go Feb 22 05:06:45 can my pre open .zip files ? Feb 22 05:07:04 no they can't joebpre. afaik Feb 22 05:07:41 joebpre: on the command line, yes. Feb 22 05:07:49 if you install the Zip package from Preware Feb 22 05:08:04 what's a good term emulator ? Feb 22 05:08:26 Terminal Feb 22 05:09:44 * rwhitby bbl Feb 22 05:12:54 what's the best text editor to use? Feb 22 05:15:38 Sorry to ask what has likely been asked a million times over, but what is the reasoning in capitalizing the "W" in WebOS Internals? Feb 22 05:17:16 if I want to become a patcher, what are the need-to-knows, and what programs will I need? Feb 22 05:18:28 you need to know javascript Feb 22 05:18:39 ColonelKernel: because? Feb 22 05:18:50 lol, i dont know if there is a better reason then that Feb 22 05:19:06 oil, what programs if any do I need (besides a text editor) Feb 22 05:19:27 and do I get the original files from the phone via nova-terminal? Feb 22 05:19:41 or from the doctor Feb 22 05:20:23 Hey Feb 22 05:20:31 let me guess oc80z, whats good? Feb 22 05:20:32 rwhitby whats good with the NZ? Feb 22 05:20:34 xD Feb 22 05:20:52 massive earthquake. Feb 22 05:21:00 hehe whats hood my d0d0. Feb 22 05:21:06 thanks oil Feb 22 05:21:10 Okay, I was just curious. Thanks. Feb 22 05:21:17 oh, one more question Feb 22 05:21:27 how do I make them a .patch file? Feb 22 05:21:27 * oc80z inturrupted by omg save linus news Feb 22 05:21:38 diff -u that up Feb 22 05:34:43 how do I make the .patch file that patches the phone? Feb 22 05:35:24 http://m.precentral.net/touchpad-be-available-soon-april-rumor Feb 22 05:36:06 anyway terminal is open and I can't type anywhere ... just a black screen ... any ideas ? Feb 22 05:36:11 just saw that Feb 22 05:36:18 is it on 2.0n Feb 22 05:36:51 1.4.5 never used trerminal Feb 22 05:37:23 and do you have filemgr installed? Feb 22 05:37:46 nop Feb 22 05:38:02 thats the problem :) Feb 22 05:38:08 let me guess I need it ? Feb 22 05:38:15 yep Feb 22 05:38:19 I believe Feb 22 05:38:31 it can't hurt to install it Feb 22 05:38:36 internalz uses it Feb 22 05:40:29 ok there goes luna Feb 22 05:40:46 it should work after Feb 22 05:42:54 I don't recall the terminal app needing filemgr... weird Feb 22 05:43:14 is the dev of Advanced System Menu - Framework here? Feb 22 05:43:17 thats an odd dependency Feb 22 05:43:18 :) Feb 22 05:43:19 I thought it did Feb 22 05:44:55 anyone here good with IPKG log errors? Feb 22 05:49:58 joeb! Feb 22 05:50:09 PatrickC_Pre, pastebin the log Feb 22 05:50:26 ok Feb 22 05:50:38 * oc80z hopin by pre3 , sprint will be on the bandwaggon.. else illl geet the verizon pre2 and mod Feb 22 05:51:29 http://webos.pastebin.com/aHE9fGNx Feb 22 05:52:09 PatrickC_Pre, webos 2.0 i assume? Feb 22 05:52:16 yea Feb 22 05:52:31 sconix_, ping! Feb 22 05:53:00 oil, pingu Feb 22 05:53:48 rwhitby, ping! Feb 22 05:54:08 its a typo Feb 22 05:54:12 line 40/41 Feb 22 05:54:51 PatrickC_Pre: 2.0 patches for Pre2 won't run on a Pre+ with 2.0 on it Feb 22 05:54:58 oc80z, ? there r 48 lines Feb 22 05:55:40 oh i thought bar-assistant.js.rej was the typo Feb 22 05:57:03 sine, isn't that still Early Access Program? Feb 22 05:57:05 can start by looking at the patch and the origs and use a diff or meld. Feb 22 05:57:29 yes, and I know you don't own a Pre2, ergo Feb 22 05:57:35 whatever you're running isn't on a Pre2 Feb 22 05:57:59 I don't own one /yet/ Feb 22 05:58:27 SineOt, i forgot about that :D Feb 22 05:58:34 they didn't know that lol Feb 22 05:59:24 no, but it's stupid to try to get support for something you know is unsupported and will never be released Feb 22 05:59:51 but still. most the other patches work for i Feb 22 05:59:55 *it* Feb 22 06:00:14 and that means that every patch should? Feb 22 06:01:13 SineOt, in a perfect world .... palm would still be palm and this would prolly all be moot :D Feb 22 06:01:47 in a perfect world we'd be on 3.0 right now and gearing up for 4th generation webOS hardware :p Feb 22 06:01:53 lolz Feb 22 06:04:53 what's up with NZ ? Feb 22 06:05:14 sorry to hear about the quake Feb 22 06:06:43 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/feb/22/newzealand-natural-disasters#block-16 Feb 22 06:07:54 http://www.product-reviews.net/2011/02/21/webos-2-0-update-will-release-on-palm-pre-plus/ Feb 22 06:13:15 is this good news ? Feb 22 06:13:39 fake Feb 22 06:14:14 why are people doing that Feb 22 06:14:17 to get a reaction ? Feb 22 06:14:35 to get hype Feb 22 06:14:59 yea Feb 22 06:22:18 night all Feb 22 07:43:27 morning! Feb 22 07:48:24 it's almost sleepy time Feb 22 08:30:53 RagingMind: No is's 9:30am herer in Germany ;-) Feb 22 08:31:01 morning ice8lue Feb 22 08:31:22 hey hape_ Feb 22 09:10:16 webos2.1.0 on 02 pre plus is here! Feb 22 09:10:23 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p210r0d02212011/eudep210rod/webosdoctorp101ueude-wr.jar Feb 22 09:31:00 O.O if this is real it would mean......WoW! Feb 22 09:31:15 rly? Feb 22 09:32:35 logiin, paste link, logout... via webirc... Feb 22 09:33:29 ya Feb 22 09:33:50 but could be legit, downloading right now Feb 22 09:34:09 url looks like one which was distributing updates before Feb 22 09:45:37 can confirm, 2.1.0 pre+ doctor is real and legit Feb 22 10:30:02 OK, first thing. O2 2.1.0 doctor does not contain CDMA modem firmware. Feb 22 10:32:48 destinal: are u there? Feb 22 10:33:11 ~seen destinal Feb 22 10:33:13 destinal is currently on #webos-internals #webos-watercooler. Has said a total of 70 messages. Is idling for 10h 3m 55s, last said: 'http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2133'. Feb 22 10:35:20 hey Dieter =) Feb 22 10:35:39 hi. I guess being on Barcelona time still has benefits ;) Feb 22 10:36:04 just lurking, seeing how y'all are taking the 2.1 news. Don't mind me :D Feb 22 10:38:18 i would be more excited if it would have been for pre-, but hey, it's out finally=) Feb 22 10:38:51 \o/ any chance of doktoring it on a pre-? Feb 22 10:39:57 masterhit: not with that doctor. Feb 22 10:40:34 i thought the devices were pretty similar except a double ram Feb 22 10:41:08 DieterBohn: hi Feb 22 10:41:10 (and double /internal/media Feb 22 10:41:15 here's the deal. Feb 22 10:41:26 * masterhit leans back Feb 22 10:41:47 This doctor can be made to install on any GSM Pre- or Pre+ from any carrier or unlocked. Feb 22 10:42:00 (how sad is it that I still don't know how to ping people on Colloquy here?) Feb 22 10:42:05 This doctor cannot be use as-is for any CDMA device (Sprint, Verizon, Pre-, Pre+) Feb 22 10:42:07 * ice8lue is so excited now Feb 22 10:42:17 However, I have a cunning plan. Feb 22 10:42:32 @rod does it require meta-doctoring to work on non-O2 pre phones? Feb 22 10:42:37 or 'just works' ? Feb 22 10:42:49 DieterBohn: it will require meta-doctoring Feb 22 10:42:56 kk Feb 22 10:43:04 I like cunning plans =] Feb 22 10:43:13 me too, you bet Feb 22 10:43:17 DieterBohn: let me check the hashes to see exactly what it will install on as-is ... Feb 22 10:43:35 does it need much work to make a pre- doctor out of it? Feb 22 10:43:43 oh, ok will wait ;) Feb 22 10:45:27 DieterBohn: ApprovalMikeHash=./model_NWCP.txt 'P101UEU P101UNA' Feb 22 10:45:35 DieterBohn: ApprovalCharlieHash=./carrier_NWCP.txt 'ROW' Feb 22 10:46:06 so basically any non-US pre, eh? Feb 22 10:46:10 nice Feb 22 10:46:38 P101UEU is just the pre+ right? Feb 22 10:47:01 DieterBohn: Any other GSM Pre/Pre+ can be done with the meta-doctor after I do some stuff tomorrow (all my Pre/Pre+ test devices are at work) Feb 22 10:48:39 Rod, in an abundance of caution, can you let me know if it's ok for me to quote you thusly? Rod Whitby of WebOS Internals is already digging and it looks like this doctor will just work on any non-US Pre or Pre Plus, as it's hashed for "ROW" (Rest of World). Whitby and co are definitely on the case though, so stay tuned, US users. Feb 22 10:49:17 theres a UK O2 user in forums that says he got it to work but needed to make new profile Feb 22 10:49:27 DieterBohn: carrier ROW Feb 22 10:49:37 DieterBohn: I forget what Telcel uses for carrier Feb 22 10:49:45 ah right, good point. Feb 22 10:49:53 and Canada too Feb 22 10:50:19 Basically if your Device Info says P101UEU or P101UNA and carrier ROW, then you're fine. Feb 22 10:51:28 rwhitby: what to do for P100UEU? Feb 22 10:53:04 ice8lue: meta-doctor required Feb 22 10:53:21 * rwhitby bbiab (need to put the kids to bed) Feb 22 10:53:41 i guess there's no guide about doing that right?^^ Feb 22 10:54:06 @ice8lue not yet, but fret not, the guys are clearly on it. Patience Feb 22 10:54:14 nope, but it's fairly straight forward, and can be done with the current meta-doctor if you know the correct incantations Feb 22 10:54:31 I'll just be making it more convenient. Feb 22 10:54:51 (for GSM that is, for CDMA some new meta-doctor features will be required to be written) Feb 22 10:54:59 * rwhitby bbiab Feb 22 10:55:10 take out your caldron and stir, thanks Feb 22 10:55:39 understood. think i will setup ubuntu for meta-doctor now Feb 22 11:02:55 @Dieter maybe you should write, that at it's current state, it can not run on normal pres, becausen it sounds like that in your quote Feb 22 11:10:30 I've updated the article Feb 22 11:10:33 * ice8lue will prepare meal now. cu Feb 22 11:10:58 @DieterBohn nice, thank you Feb 22 11:12:23 ice8blue: cheers Feb 22 11:23:13 hi all Feb 22 11:23:48 can someone tell me for what the preinstalled Qt libraries are used? Feb 22 12:22:48 confused by the tweet: metadoctor is ready for 2.1.0? did the git repository change, cause i can't see any updates Feb 22 13:11:45 howdy all Feb 22 13:14:18 Hi all, when I run meta-doctor with 2.1.0 it fails with Error 2. Any ideas? Feb 22 13:15:09 mkdir patches/webos-2.1.0/ Feb 22 13:15:16 that did the trick for me Feb 22 13:16:00 thanks, I will try Feb 22 13:16:40 seems to work Feb 22 13:17:44 doctor built, thanks! Feb 22 13:18:48 so using 1.4.5 profile doesnt work on pre-? Feb 22 13:23:27 ice8lue, not for me Feb 22 13:23:39 what are the problems? Feb 22 13:24:13 BarryK: not good...so no paid app support atm... Feb 22 13:24:24 it keeps saying profile not restored Feb 22 13:24:29 indeed, ice8lue Feb 22 13:24:31 argh Feb 22 13:24:45 created an new one Feb 22 13:24:50 but no paid apps Feb 22 13:24:51 check what version it says at the palm page Feb 22 13:24:56 sec Feb 22 13:25:25 9.9.9 Feb 22 13:25:28 ya Feb 22 13:25:39 like that beta before Feb 22 13:25:41 hm so i think we have to use masquerade Feb 22 13:25:43 yap Feb 22 13:26:08 something like that frankendoctor for pre2 would be awesome Feb 22 13:26:29 Dear Webos-Internals. Since O2 Germany has just released the Doctor for Palm Pre Plus I am wondering whether folks in here think that other versions are imminent or if hacking will commence to get that doctor to work on Sprint? Feb 22 13:26:49 By "Doctor" I mean the WebOS 2.1 doctor of course Feb 22 13:27:04 @Davide-NYC: already does so http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-2.html Feb 22 13:27:19 oh, check the first page Feb 22 13:27:51 Wow y'all are quick! Thanks. Feb 22 13:27:56 ^ Feb 22 13:28:05 1111 Feb 22 13:28:09 nargh^^ Feb 22 13:28:14 we don't muck around Feb 22 13:29:14 a question about preware translation, i translate one more string about italian translation ... and i see some strange things, on line 89 and 90 there is this: The Package Manger Service you are running ... why Manger insted of Manager ?? Feb 22 13:33:18 * ice8lue is going to run a little outside, cu later (but keep me updated pls^^) Feb 22 13:33:35 get your mind free! Feb 22 13:33:54 that's what i want to do ;) Feb 22 13:34:02 I've got the Version 9.9.9 error on my Sprint Pre Plussed. Haven't had time to fix it yet. Do I need to correct this first or will a 2.1.0 update cause the same app catalog issues? Feb 22 13:34:39 In other words, I intend to upgrade my WebOS so is fixing the 9.9.9 error just a waste of time? Feb 22 13:35:15 anyone tested metadoctor 2.1 with a P100UEU ROW? (willing guinea pig here) Feb 22 13:35:31 jdub: see http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 22 13:35:44 * BarryK did Feb 22 13:35:55 (already running 2.0 via developer doctor) Feb 22 13:35:58 jdub: you should only need REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK and it should work fine Feb 22 13:36:08 lovely, ta! Feb 22 13:36:12 works perfectly except for profile issues Feb 22 13:36:29 BarryK: 1.4 vs. 2.0 profile stuff? Feb 22 13:36:31 At the moment I am testing on pre- Feb 22 13:36:34 had dev 2.0 before Feb 22 13:36:53 jdub, i get version 9.9.9 reportet on palm homepage Feb 22 13:37:08 1.4 profile will not sync Feb 22 13:37:34 yep Feb 22 13:37:40 anyone knows if it is likely that the profile issues can be resolved? Feb 22 13:39:19 I would imagine the same way they resolved that problem for the Sprint Pre2 would work. Feb 22 13:40:29 that would be so fricking awesome :) Feb 22 13:41:11 at least bookmarks work now on the contrary to the dev 2.0 version Feb 22 13:41:25 BarryK: same here, was unable to connect to existing Palm Profile (but I think it was a 2.1 profile). Creating a new profile worked up until the Enable Auto Locate screen, where it froze Feb 22 13:41:57 my pre got past this point Feb 22 13:42:12 booted really normal Feb 22 13:42:18 I'm rebooting Feb 22 13:44:35 I'm going to tackle this on Sunday. Exciting! Feb 22 13:44:46 booted into the same screen, froze again. Will try the other optoin Feb 22 13:49:19 * jdub waits impatiently for the doctor to download... Feb 22 13:51:18 We need to confirm with palm that these wont suffer the same data loss the prev versions were subject to before you advertise this to the masses, if this is subject to the same issue then you may get up one day and have no device or data Feb 22 13:51:33 I have posted a notice for Chuq and Ben on this Feb 22 13:51:54 CTLAdvance: good deal. Feb 22 13:52:05 Actually aside from the forum ill also shoot an email Feb 22 13:52:30 I'm starting to think that there may be a deeper issue here? I created a new profile and it's freezing on the Auto Locate screen on first boot no matter which option I hit. I think I need to redoctor :( Feb 22 13:54:15 ok I sent an email to them Feb 22 13:54:23 well see what happens as the west coast wakes up Feb 22 13:54:49 west coast is awake! we just never slept! Feb 22 13:54:50 Any advice on what I can / should do with this frozen screen? Sorry to be a pest Feb 22 14:00:19 hi@ll Feb 22 14:04:26 * ice8lue is back... man it's so f*cking cold outside Feb 22 14:09:51 ice8lue: yep, I will wait with my next running session for the next two days. Should get warmer if the weather forcarsts arright ... Feb 22 14:10:59 hape_: really hope so... didn't have snow on my birthday for years ;) Feb 22 14:11:29 me two. I had last week ;-) Feb 22 14:11:33 @ice8lue i was running at 5am this morning at -11°C ... brrrrrrrr. Feb 22 14:11:49 masterhit: Why do you do this ?!?!?! Feb 22 14:11:56 masterhit: -13°C over here^ Feb 22 14:12:00 :D Feb 22 14:12:24 I do not do it below 4-7 plus. Everything else is to cold to make fun for me. Feb 22 14:12:27 I doctored 2.1 on my sprint pre Feb 22 14:12:35 uh Feb 22 14:12:36 ? Feb 22 14:12:50 no old palm profile Feb 22 14:12:58 have to make a new one Feb 22 14:13:06 which doctor did you use? Feb 22 14:13:20 The Wr one that was jjust released Feb 22 14:13:21 \ Feb 22 14:13:35 the one that was just released for GSM Feb 22 14:14:12 the O2 one? Feb 22 14:35:34 how do i mount a writable file system in the command line? Feb 22 14:36:48 mount /dev/... /folder Feb 22 14:36:51 you mean remount the root system? Feb 22 14:37:09 remount: mount -o remount,rw / Feb 22 14:37:44 thans Feb 22 14:37:46 or for lazy asses rootfs_open Feb 22 14:38:37 about to edit etc to make sprint 2.1 log in with palm profile Feb 22 14:40:42 anyone get the 2.1 workin on a sprint pre yet? Feb 22 14:41:29 15:11 < streight_power> I doctored 2.1 on my sprint pre Feb 22 14:42:54 still problems with loging into the palm profile Feb 22 14:43:56 damn Feb 22 14:44:07 and heres a security advice: http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/40045377235324928 Feb 22 14:44:09 we need to do what they did to the pre 2 on sprint Feb 22 14:44:18 but idk what they did cause they are very vague Feb 22 14:44:43 why would i want to go bac to 145? Feb 22 14:45:37 can someone help me make sence of this? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development-3.html#post2878631 Feb 22 14:45:40 I never had a 1.4.5 profile to begin with Feb 22 14:45:53 streight_power it's not the problem of going back primarely Feb 22 14:46:30 but when logging into your old profile, it WOULD upgrade it to a 2.x profile with now way of reverting it back Feb 22 14:47:36 while these doctored versions are not official ones palm does not have them activated on their servers as possible combinations of device+carrier+version Feb 22 14:47:55 that's why they report 9.9.9 as OS version which is not working Feb 22 14:48:12 neither to upgrade the profile nor to use the app catalog and so on Feb 22 14:48:44 but if your old profile has been converted to 9.9.9 there's most likely no way of going back, to get back your data Feb 22 14:49:45 is it possible to delete a profile? Feb 22 14:49:54 or is it all through the pre? Feb 22 14:50:11 no i think it's possible to delete your profile at palm.com Feb 22 14:50:21 anyone successful on a german Pre Minus? Feb 22 14:50:58 hurling: it's working nice, but you can't use your 1.4.5 profile yet Feb 22 14:51:44 WebOSDoctor didn't install 2.1.0 on my device. Says its not compatible Feb 22 14:52:50 did u use REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK=1 ? Feb 22 14:53:05 Yes, this is my makefile line: make DEVICE=preplus CARRIER=wr REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK=1 clobber all Feb 22 14:53:25 and u did run the doctor jar from the build directory? Feb 22 14:53:41 Hey everyone, mornin! :) Feb 22 14:53:44 oh damn Feb 22 14:53:52 hey NuttyBunny Feb 22 14:54:02 oO Feb 22 14:54:03 you'r right I just used the old doctor. Stupid Feb 22 14:54:16 hurling: now, that can't work ;) Feb 22 14:54:29 wait, i come over and give you a slap :D Feb 22 14:54:52 its another sad say for Pixi owners Feb 22 14:55:15 that'l teach u for getting a phone called pixi Feb 22 14:55:29 hehe Feb 22 14:55:47 well, the pixi is dead for HP Feb 22 14:55:56 replaced by the veer Feb 22 14:56:09 they might as likely release webos for the treo 650 Feb 22 14:56:22 or the iphone... Feb 22 14:56:34 Happy are we? :D Now the last step is to get Palm to release the Kernel source code for 2.1 and we're set ;) Feb 22 14:56:46 ice8blue: seems to work, thanks Feb 22 14:56:49 we still need to log into 1.4.5 profile Feb 22 14:56:55 hurling: no problem Feb 22 14:57:04 ya palm needs to fix the profile thing Feb 22 14:57:14 seems to happen on pre plus o2 germany also Feb 22 14:57:40 and at least that's a possible combination Feb 22 14:57:41 that's not good Feb 22 14:57:52 can someone just explain what they did to the pre 2 on sprint? ill be the demo dolly Feb 22 15:00:14 streight_power: i think nobody here can because the people involved into that are asleep ;) Feb 22 15:00:30 pacience...it will work soon Feb 22 15:04:38 ice8blue: You're saying that even with the Doctor on German Pres, the Profile goes up to version 9.9.9? That can't be good :S Feb 22 15:06:12 ya i think i read about that in the forum thread Feb 22 15:06:27 i think there's something palm needs to fix serverside Feb 22 15:06:40 i dont have a pre plus, cant't test Feb 22 15:06:55 for my pre-, it's logical that it says 9.9.9 Feb 22 15:07:18 mmm.. was that your 1.4.5 profile? Feb 22 15:07:28 one for testing, yes Feb 22 15:11:05 mmm.. not good. I'll try w my AT&T Pre in an hour :) Feb 22 15:11:17 =) Feb 22 15:11:38 what does it say in the Device Info Version line? Feb 22 15:12:30 Nova-Barleywine? :D hehehe Feb 22 15:12:52 mmh, I flashed 2.1.0 to my pre- but I cannot see any apps which I developed and set a minimum os of 1.4.5 Feb 22 15:13:58 sebastianha: Check your profile version on the Palm page, maybe you're stuck at 9.9.9 like many others... :S Feb 22 15:14:24 yes it is Feb 22 15:14:39 but apps set to a minimum of 1.3.X I see Feb 22 15:14:41 device info should say 2.1.0 Feb 22 15:14:42 only 1.4.5 apps not Feb 22 15:15:17 sebastianha: ya that's how it works Feb 22 15:15:22 strange Feb 22 15:15:27 has anyone here a pre2? Feb 22 15:15:52 if your version is unknown, it only shows you apps that are compatible with 1.3.x down Feb 22 15:15:58 ah, ok Feb 22 15:16:10 I'm using bravo-whiskey on my pre- and my profile also shows 9.9.9 Feb 22 15:16:13 ice8blue: But I want the full string :) Oh, wel, guess I'll just download it and find out. Stuck in traffis :S Feb 22 15:16:36 ^let me see Feb 22 15:17:11 is it possible to correct this? is it even important? I've been able to browse the Palm app store and preware catalog and have installed some patches and apps Feb 22 15:17:28 you will not see all apps Feb 22 15:17:29 bionicRobot: That has been known, that's the reason you shoudn't use your working profile on a prerelease Dr :) Feb 22 15:18:05 has anyone an old 1.3.5 emulator? Feb 22 15:18:11 NuttyBunny: How boring.... Nova-WR-Castle, HP webOS 2.1.0 Feb 22 15:18:13 its a profile I setup. are developer profiles different? Feb 22 15:18:31 there's no "developer profile" Feb 22 15:18:40 at least none different to a normal one Feb 22 15:18:49 I'm using the pre for development so this profile doesn't really affect me Feb 22 15:19:15 well atleast until I want to delete it Feb 22 15:19:16 damn looks like we indeed do need to wait for palm to fix this if they care to Feb 22 15:19:47 cause even if we do the franken pre fix... we are stuck with 1.4.5 patches and apps Feb 22 15:19:50 they do, else we wouldn't have that doctor^ Feb 22 15:20:36 But this profile thing DOES work on Pre2, doesn't it? I mean, do the profile number shows correctly on the page using the right device? Feb 22 15:22:22 well, it says 1.4.5, ya Feb 22 15:23:12 1.4.5 for a Pre 2? Feb 22 15:23:52 1.4.5 for a sprint pre- Feb 22 15:24:06 they are using the comm board of a pre- by sprint Feb 22 15:24:21 and the latest valid version for sprint pre- is 1.4.5 so ya Feb 22 15:26:10 Ah, yes, but with an unlocked Pre 2? :) Feb 22 15:26:41 i think so Feb 22 15:26:54 Loudergood, did you see /etc/init.d/skeleton? Feb 22 15:27:08 yeah I found that Feb 22 15:33:36 The best of everything is to look at the webOS versions webos-internals wiki page and look at the Telcel last version :D 1.4.0 Feb 22 15:38:20 Loudergood, --daemonize Feb 22 15:38:31 your script was missing that as an argument to novacomd Feb 22 15:38:45 of course...haha Feb 22 15:40:11 I was trying to get yours working, but now I'm using a copy of skeleton with the right stuff put in Feb 22 15:54:22 have I been had again ? http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/webos-2-1-drops-for-o2-palm-pre-plus/ Feb 22 15:54:32 wtf Feb 22 15:54:35 Ok, let's work this out, I'm now officially toying around with my Pre Plus :D Feb 22 15:55:09 * SimpsonCH just installed the update Feb 22 15:55:09 Yes, 2.1 for Pre Plus on Europe Feb 22 15:55:50 HP/Palm is really love and hate Feb 22 15:56:31 do we wait for rwhitby-pre to do magic or what ? Feb 22 15:57:44 he's sleeping right now. Meta Doctor is supposed to work right now with the new Doctor :) Feb 22 15:58:26 * NuttyBunny is making a backup of /media/cryptofs :D The next step will be save/restore :) Feb 22 15:58:59 have issue signing into my profile though Feb 22 15:59:35 create a new, I wouldn't mess with my "real" profile now Feb 22 15:59:44 NuttyBunny: what's in /media/cryptofs ? Feb 22 16:00:06 joebpre: the apps are there Feb 22 16:00:08 joebpre: Everything you've installed to your device :)} Feb 22 16:00:25 NuttyBunny: does it work to simply copy back the folder? or are the launcher icons somewhere else? Feb 22 16:00:39 I thought you just use save/restore ? Feb 22 16:00:41 does your google account work with the 2.1 update? Feb 22 16:01:06 here..not.. :/ Feb 22 16:01:21 here are also problems with google account Feb 22 16:01:25 bsm: simply copying everything works, but, of course, you can't do it via the usb partition as the directory is hidden :) Feb 22 16:01:26 pre- with 2.1.0 Feb 22 16:01:35 same here Feb 22 16:01:48 did anyone try with official preplus? Feb 22 16:01:53 is there a way to change a profile on your phone ? Feb 22 16:02:03 palm profile? Feb 22 16:02:28 SimpsonCH: I think if you do a partial erase (I don't remember) Feb 22 16:02:43 yup palm profile Feb 22 16:02:59 can anyone confirm google accounts work with pre+ and 2.1.0? Feb 22 16:02:59 somebody should throw up a faq on what to back Feb 22 16:03:12 JohnDoes: which kind of problems? does gtalk work? Feb 22 16:03:14 up Feb 22 16:03:32 I cannot login into google account Feb 22 16:03:39 * NuttyBunny uses google account for all his contacts... Feb 22 16:03:44 hello Feb 22 16:04:02 sup PatrickC_Pre Feb 22 16:04:05 bsm: on email, contacts and calender Feb 22 16:04:17 JohnDoes: any special error? Feb 22 16:04:18 -er +ar Feb 22 16:04:32 hay joebpre Feb 22 16:04:47 is anyone downloading update ? Feb 22 16:05:04 update to? Feb 22 16:05:07 bsm: login information are not correct Feb 22 16:05:29 hm that sucks Feb 22 16:05:42 is there someone who can login into google with 2.1.0? Feb 22 16:06:01 2.1.0? the EA software? Feb 22 16:06:02 bsm: hurling has our pre, he will continue for me Feb 22 16:06:04 :) Feb 22 16:06:11 < PatrickC_Pre: no, its official for german o2 Feb 22 16:06:21 PatrickC_Pre: http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/02/webos-2-1-drops-for-o2-palm-pre-plus/ Feb 22 16:06:23 what?! Feb 22 16:06:45 yep, the official one, to germany and other EU carriers Feb 22 16:06:50 I want it :'( Feb 22 16:06:54 no word for US, but meta-doctor'able Feb 22 16:07:01 gtalk works Feb 22 16:07:12 gtalk works on pre- Feb 22 16:07:17 but can you meta doctor a pre+ on vzw? Feb 22 16:07:27 hurling: ah nice Feb 22 16:07:34 the only useful google service Feb 22 16:08:36 PatrickC_Pre: Maybe, you'll have to do some file juggling, but I don't see it as impossible Feb 22 16:08:49 Contacts work now, too Feb 22 16:08:59 I want it on pixi more tho Feb 22 16:09:31 so it seems you have to add gtalk account and then all other stuff gets set up Feb 22 16:09:37 No Pixi love :( different hardware :( Feb 22 16:09:45 finally, pre and pre+ users can do stuff with 2.x without us having to deal with this illegal beta copy thing Feb 22 16:10:00 On 2.x, you set up your accounts via the "accounts" app (on the last page) :) Feb 22 16:10:31 and I am synchronising over 3g not over Wi-Fi. Just in case... Feb 22 16:10:44 it will take for ever :) Feb 22 16:10:55 someone tell palm to get the profile working Feb 22 16:11:23 wtf, the Whats New pdf is 82 pages long O_o Feb 22 16:11:49 Everyone doing this should wait to see if we get a response back from Palm on if this is actually going to be supported or if it will cause data loss Feb 22 16:12:03 streight_power: No one knows for sure yet :( Feb 22 16:12:21 NuttyBunny: That's it. The old way does not work Feb 22 16:13:13 hurling: I never tried to add an account after the first one, so I didn't know that :) Feb 22 16:14:57 CTLAdvance: I think it's fair to assume it will be supported on the carrier it's designed to work on and not supported on the rest. And if used in any unsupported configuration it may cause data loss. people will use it anyway :) Feb 22 16:15:12 yep Feb 22 16:15:13 foolsd Feb 22 16:15:22 :) Feb 22 16:15:42 Adoraaaa Feb 22 16:15:51 anyone using flash? Feb 22 16:16:02 ill check it out Feb 22 16:16:03 on-device. yes Feb 22 16:16:22 how did you get it to work? Feb 22 16:16:23 CTLAdvance: I'm just so glad we have legally available files for this stuff now Feb 22 16:16:31 why Feb 22 16:16:57 cause now the haxers will be openly working on it Feb 22 16:16:59 CTLAdvance: was getting tired of all the shady Early Access beta leak copies Feb 22 16:17:02 enable it in the web preferences Feb 22 16:17:09 anyone can now work on it in the open Feb 22 16:17:17 Ah thats true Feb 22 16:17:24 and i wont get banned from precentral for talking abouut it Feb 22 16:17:26 though the pre-/+ needs to die off already Feb 22 16:17:32 and OC for it ;) Feb 22 16:17:44 CTLAdvance: heh, not gonna happen any time soon (and I'm fine with that) Feb 22 16:17:47 Nothing much can be done until the kernel sources are released also :) Feb 22 16:17:53 (about OC) Feb 22 16:18:07 CTLAdvance, I still have over a year left on my contract, I'll be on the Pre+ for a while Feb 22 16:18:14 well, we can hope :) Feb 22 16:18:31 i dont see flash Feb 22 16:18:37 I know it, but the device really makes webOS look bad, even with 2.x Feb 22 16:18:40 hmmm lemme check Feb 22 16:18:46 yes, here also no flash in preferences Feb 22 16:18:58 no flash in this rom Feb 22 16:19:00 :( Feb 22 16:19:04 which one? Feb 22 16:19:05 wow Feb 22 16:19:09 that stinks :/ Feb 22 16:19:10 wr 2.1 Feb 22 16:19:26 someone nees to port it from verizon dr Feb 22 16:19:33 perhaps an ipk Feb 22 16:19:39 mmm... it's for the best... Feb 22 16:19:48 perhaps an ipk AFTER we can OC the devices :) Feb 22 16:19:52 CTLAdvance, I'll be over clocking mine to 800ish, and thinking about high density battery to make up for it Feb 22 16:20:39 so *my* pre+ will work spiffy :) Feb 22 16:20:55 wow i can't belive palm skipped on the flash Feb 22 16:21:06 especially since it was working fine in the leak Feb 22 16:21:07 again Feb 22 16:21:20 PatrickC_Pre: you meant you are using flash? Feb 22 16:21:28 Thats not enough to fix it. It will still lag out... Feb 22 16:21:35 unfortunately Feb 22 16:21:39 it will be much better though Feb 22 16:21:44 I liked the 800mhz oc Feb 22 16:21:46 there's another doctor available through german vodafone for the pre+ Feb 22 16:21:46 http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/emea/pre/p100eww/vodafone/solutions/article/68925_de.html Feb 22 16:22:00 nice Feb 22 16:22:25 i wonder if the profiles will start working some time today Feb 22 16:22:29 excellent so its probably safe to say that these are official then and not a mistake Feb 22 16:22:41 ya i think so Feb 22 16:23:14 Ok, backup done, now backing up data with save/restore ... Feb 22 16:23:19 http://www.palm.com/webos-info also links to the doctors Feb 22 16:24:56 ice8lue, that site also says my verizon pre+ "Your device is not able to support the new features of webOS 2." Feb 22 16:25:06 ^ Feb 22 16:25:10 which it terrible wording Feb 22 16:25:13 *is Feb 22 16:25:24 it seems like the decission is realy at the carrier Feb 22 16:25:43 http://m.precentral.net/webos-2-1-hacked-existing-us-pre-and-pre-plus-phones-hold-now-dear-user Feb 22 16:26:09 I should call verizon and raise hell Feb 22 16:26:14 many many many times Feb 22 16:26:15 ya =) Feb 22 16:26:59 no, call sprint Feb 22 16:27:20 There isn't even sprint service in my area, it all roams to the verizon towers Feb 22 16:27:34 and ATT is still on 2G here Feb 22 16:27:36 maybe you could start a conference call to all carriers? Feb 22 16:27:52 that sounds good ice8blue Feb 22 16:27:59 ice8lue: morning Feb 22 16:27:59 verizon (because of alltel) is really the only cell provider in my area that's worth anything Feb 22 16:28:08 for the OCers, how does it work? I've got a Pre- I've installed govnah Feb 22 16:28:16 hey destinal, you missed all the action^ Feb 22 16:28:22 and the highest setting seems to be 600MHz Feb 22 16:28:27 ice8lue: yeah, that's what I get for sleeping ;) Feb 22 16:28:33 ;) Feb 22 16:28:33 bionicRobot: 1.4.5? you need UberKernel Feb 22 16:28:53 I'm on an early access doctor Feb 22 16:29:04 bionicRobot: drop that and install the official one. Feb 22 16:29:09 and shame on you Feb 22 16:29:13 bionicrobot, no OC kernels for that Feb 22 16:29:16 yep Feb 22 16:29:23 and its illegal unless you are an Early Access Program member Feb 22 16:29:28 :) Feb 22 16:29:41 oh well. yes. but I didn't want to really talk about all that. Feb 22 16:29:44 NDA and all Feb 22 16:30:00 destinal: but there's work to do^^ forget about the frankendoc, its running nearly officially, but we need a profile fix ;) Feb 22 16:30:21 well, the fact that you said I have a Early Access Program doctor, is stating you got it illegally or you are a Early Access Program member :% Feb 22 16:30:28 *:)* Feb 22 16:30:43 its supposed to be strictly for development, but I'm having a hard time putting it down. even if it is an old Pre Feb 22 16:31:11 flash mode is volume up and turn on, is it? Feb 22 16:31:15 bionicRobot: so check out the new 2.1 for pre Feb 22 16:31:28 nobody should need to use EA doctors any more, even devs Feb 22 16:31:40 bsm: disconnect everything, keep up pressed, connect usb, connect battery, let go button Feb 22 16:31:51 but some dev are on vzw and sprint :/ Feb 22 16:32:04 ah thanks nutty Feb 22 16:32:06 bunny Feb 22 16:32:07 destinal: and some are stuck on 1.4.0 ;) Feb 22 16:32:26 NuttyBunny: Why? metadoctor Feb 22 16:32:29 1.4.0? Feb 22 16:32:38 I thought the mexicans also gut 1.4.5? Feb 22 16:32:45 Ok, ok, I was talking about users, not devs :) Feb 22 16:32:50 NuttyBunny: ahhh Feb 22 16:32:52 true Feb 22 16:33:09 1.4.0 has serious security vulnerabilities, and their carrier hasn't updated them? Feb 22 16:33:15 nope Feb 22 16:33:20 the Pre is now free with a 12 month plan here in Mexico, but no, no updates Feb 22 16:33:46 in fact, I think it still comes with 1.2.1 or something like that Feb 22 16:33:56 maybe the mexican gov or the drug cartels like the lack of security? Feb 22 16:34:08 *security holes Feb 22 16:34:09 lol Feb 22 16:34:27 nah, it's more about Telcel not caring anymore for their users, to push them to go android Feb 22 16:34:52 which novacom version do I need on linux? somwthing beyond 1.0.55? Feb 22 16:35:23 to Doctor? it comes with its own, doesn't it? Feb 22 16:35:41 bsm, not sure about linux, but the doctors come with versions for mac and windows Feb 22 16:36:14 Also on Linux Feb 22 16:36:35 it's a self contained file that works on the three platforms Feb 22 16:36:45 hm Feb 22 16:36:49 then I've got a problem Feb 22 16:36:55 Windows 7? Feb 22 16:36:56 yay multi-platform code Feb 22 16:37:00 WARNING: Unable to connect to NovaCOMd -- is it running??? Feb 22 16:37:05 no, I'm windows-less Feb 22 16:37:38 mmm.. weird, does it show in the process table? Feb 22 16:37:52 nothing Feb 22 16:37:57 sometimes restarting th ePC makes it work Feb 22 16:38:08 i find linux to be much more stable with novacom Feb 22 16:38:10 Just run it on a window :) Feb 22 16:38:18 novacomd & Feb 22 16:38:30 Ah, but it's the one from the Doctor... Feb 22 16:38:42 hold on, lemme check Feb 22 16:38:54 I haven't found it in the doc yet Feb 22 16:40:02 oh! I found the file for the HP boot logo... if it's swapped out with a palm one...? Feb 22 16:40:28 wow. that would be awesome :) Feb 22 16:40:54 can I use nova-browser to access the USB partition of my device? Feb 22 16:41:18 whats nova-brower? Feb 22 16:41:42 an awesome thing :) comes with the PDK Feb 22 16:42:01 you can run novacomd & and then disown %{{jobnumber}} if you don't want to keep the window open (on linux) Feb 22 16:42:28 gkatsev: where do I find the binary? Feb 22 16:42:31 unpack the doctor? Feb 22 16:42:40 or you can run it with nohup novacomd & Feb 22 16:42:41 NuttyBunny, I've found the windows and mac versions in the doctor, no linux version though Feb 22 16:42:48 yes, it's not there :S Feb 22 16:43:00 You'll have to go and grab the SDK :( Feb 22 16:43:06 yep, or nohup Feb 22 16:43:10 or maybe inside the other Doctors Feb 22 16:43:24 NuttyBunny: I've got a version here, it does not find the device though Feb 22 16:43:30 NuttyBunny, novacom on linux is still stuck to 1.4.5 Feb 22 16:44:11 though it might have excluded the pre 2 because of the USB id... I don't recall Feb 22 16:44:26 I JUST TOOK STUFF OFF THE USB DRIVE WITHOUT GOING INTO USB MODE!!!!!!!!!!! Feb 22 16:44:51 mmmm.... lemme think, lemme think, but it should work because we're talking to Pre's and Pluses... :S Feb 22 16:45:01 should I be able to novaterm into the device while the usb sign is on? Feb 22 16:45:44 bsm, not the usb sign, but at that point you could use novacom (not novacomd) to poke it to do other things Feb 22 16:45:45 bsm: mmm.... yes and no, you'll get a boot shell, to boot your device with another image Feb 22 16:46:11 PatrickC_Pre: enable ssh and you will not really ever have to plug the device in :) Feb 22 16:46:13 NuttyBunny: when I connect my pre , usb mode and run novaterm it says "unable to find device" Feb 22 16:46:21 it was kind of awesome. I miss that with my evo Feb 22 16:46:35 once I figure out how to ash :) Feb 22 16:46:40 someone that's playing with the metadoc wanna try replacing BootLogo.tga? :) Feb 22 16:46:41 *ssh* Feb 22 16:47:07 so is it safe to install updste for us phones ? Feb 22 16:47:16 bsm, run 'ps ax | grep nova' Feb 22 16:47:47 RagingMind: its running, version 1.0.64 Feb 22 16:48:07 joebpre, I don't think so Feb 22 16:48:27 if you kill it and run it in a terminal it give a bunch of output, like when you plug in a device it shows that it gets a connection Feb 22 16:48:51 but if you're on ubuntu you might have to use 'stop novacomd' Feb 22 16:48:52 RagingMind: ya please give us back the palm logo^ Feb 22 16:49:55 putting the palm logo back is easy Feb 22 16:50:19 ya? how^ Feb 22 16:50:25 [2011/2/22 17:49:26] usbll(00000000) error reading packet, retry: rc(-1), errno 9 interesting Feb 22 16:50:26 the doctor takes forever to download :/ Feb 22 16:50:26 replace the png Feb 22 16:50:30 maybe I'll reboot Feb 22 16:50:45 I found the tga files, but haven't run a doctor yet Feb 22 16:50:52 I'm waiting for things to smooth out a bit Feb 22 16:52:38 So, not even the people on vodaphjone and O2 hjave been able to log into 1.4.5 profiles? Feb 22 16:53:03 huh? Feb 22 16:53:09 oh Feb 22 16:53:20 sry, misunderstood your question. no not even them Feb 22 16:53:21 ah Feb 22 16:53:34 PPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMMM Feb 22 16:53:55 nope. it should be HHHHHHHHHHHHHPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP now^ Feb 22 16:54:04 * PatrickC_Pre is going to do school till the doctor is done downloading Feb 22 16:54:05 I'll never call them that Feb 22 16:54:16 I'm gonna keep the palm name alive Feb 22 16:54:17 how do I get the files inside the doctor? unzip it? Feb 22 16:54:33 kinda lie Palm pilot was alive years after the device was dead Feb 22 16:54:34 bsm: what version of linux are you running? Feb 22 16:54:42 ya me too^^ but HP's the one to blame^^ palm would have made that working Feb 22 16:54:56 Palm is still Palm :) it's a subsidiary of HP, but it's still Palm Feb 22 16:55:13 lol when they fuck up they are HP when they do awesome it's palm Feb 22 16:55:23 xD right ;) Feb 22 16:55:44 Does HP even call the palm anywhere anymore? Feb 22 16:56:00 the hardware is still palm Feb 22 16:56:18 I'm pretty sure HP has stopped using the palm name everywhere Feb 22 16:56:45 how do I get access to the files inside the doctors? Feb 22 16:57:00 bsm: I have novacomd 1.0.59 and ... well, I haven't starting the Doctor yet :) Feb 22 16:57:16 but it recognizes my device just fine Feb 22 16:57:23 lol www.palm.com doesn't even say palm Feb 22 16:57:37 PatrickC_Pre: rename it to .zip and unzip it Feb 22 16:57:47 ya it's a shame Feb 22 16:57:48 thanks ice8lue Feb 22 16:57:54 they killed the whole spirit Feb 22 16:58:03 np PatrickC_Pre Feb 22 16:58:10 its wierd Feb 22 16:58:19 how the webos 2.1 is jus sitting on the palm page of o2 Feb 22 16:58:21 you don't see that everyday Feb 22 16:58:23 lol Feb 22 16:58:35 if you use a competant program or OS, you don't even need to rename it .zip :) Feb 22 16:59:04 gkatsev, xp pro work :) Feb 22 16:59:09 gkatsev: was waiting on that one ;) Feb 22 16:59:26 7zip can open it no problem, though Feb 22 16:59:33 cpuinfo_max_freq is what? Feb 22 16:59:49 600 Feb 22 16:59:54 ice8lue: :) Feb 22 17:00:19 if I rename it to .txt it says "600000" Feb 22 17:00:28 mmm... guys... Feb 22 17:00:29 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://tamspalm.de/2011/02/palm-stellt-falschen-doctor-online/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgfgkMpqnYAqZ1lwtgUtV1YnGmWBw Feb 22 17:00:32 omg 6ghz Feb 22 17:01:03 streight_power 6ghz for what ? Feb 22 17:01:35 but the phone is running at 500MHz Feb 22 17:02:10 mistake? i dont think so Feb 22 17:02:36 hm but sounds possible though Feb 22 17:02:37 my pre is running at 6ghz Feb 22 17:02:43 sure Feb 22 17:02:54 liquid cooled Feb 22 17:02:57 i embedded a second, dual core cpu in it Feb 22 17:03:07 lol Feb 22 17:03:09 running smooth at 2x3,06Ghz Feb 22 17:03:15 :) Feb 22 17:03:36 but playing angrybirds is strange... Feb 22 17:04:08 i thought thes birds were flying... well i start them and it crashes some pigs somewhere immediately Feb 22 17:04:48 NuttyBunny: seems like a libusb problem, my archlinux is too new :) Feb 22 17:05:10 1% Feb 22 17:05:11 lets port angry bids to ubuntu Feb 22 17:05:15 bsm: Too bad :( Feb 22 17:05:16 wow Feb 22 17:05:20 NuttyBunny: works now Feb 22 17:05:22 today is gonna be lively Feb 22 17:05:23 :D Feb 22 17:05:26 figures this comes out today Feb 22 17:05:34 streight_power: yeah, as you've got the source code to port it Feb 22 17:05:51 JUST DO EETTTT Feb 22 17:05:51 I have to fly early tomorrow and will have uncertain internet access for the next 5 days, so no tinkering :( Feb 22 17:05:57 copying the doctor I downloaded to the phone over to my PC without being in usb mode :) Feb 22 17:06:00 any hints on changing my palm profile ? Feb 22 17:06:16 HP(R) webOS(tm) Doctor... bah :S Feb 22 17:06:20 :D Feb 22 17:06:30 how do you keep palm profile when updating ? Feb 22 17:06:30 if I found someone on verizon with a pre2, think I could log in with my profile there to update my account? then doctor my phone? Feb 22 17:06:39 SimpsonCH, ya don't use your normal profile Feb 22 17:06:41 BSM is missing a D Feb 22 17:06:44 RagingMind: sounds worth a try Feb 22 17:06:58 streight_power: you are missing some spelling Feb 22 17:07:02 ice8lue, while updating to 2.1 I couldn't login in to my normal profile, so I created a new one Feb 22 17:07:17 ya that's what i thought of Feb 22 17:07:22 Ok, installing it on Pre Plus AT&T :D Feb 22 17:07:25 You are missing some brain Feb 22 17:07:28 NuttyBunny nice Feb 22 17:07:36 RagingMind: that won't help, if the problem really are the profile servers Feb 22 17:07:44 NuttyBunny how are you gonna get all your text / sms / apps back .. besdies save/restore ? Feb 22 17:07:52 but what do people do who purchase a pre2? Feb 22 17:08:06 if palm has not planned this way we are all doomed Feb 22 17:08:11 sorry, HP Feb 22 17:08:13 Pre 2 profile work Feb 22 17:08:23 ragingmind: go to palm.com/palmprofile and see if you're profile is 9.9.9 Feb 22 17:08:35 PatrickC_Pre, I haven't doctored anything yet, I'm still fine Feb 22 17:08:51 I don't wanna risk losing my paid apps, so I'm gonna have to wait Feb 22 17:09:17 I love my newsroom and at the moment I can't afford to repurchase it :( Feb 22 17:09:17 if yojur profile ever says 9.9.9 you get put on a list of members who will be victimes of a lawsuit by HP in the summer Feb 22 17:09:27 i saw somebody that has 9.9.9 what does that mean ? Feb 22 17:09:28 Josef_B: Looking into the PalmDatabase.db3 file :D hehehe (for the messages), besides, this Plus was working with the prerelease, and I think it restores the messages from your backup Feb 22 17:09:38 bsm: yeah opensuse was having that same issue with libusb Feb 22 17:09:51 they worked around it by using the ubuntu libusb instead Feb 22 17:09:57 lol, lawsuit? Feb 22 17:10:02 :p Feb 22 17:10:10 destinal: yeah, I found the thread Feb 22 17:11:00 does the pre+ 2.1 update have voice dialing? Feb 22 17:11:35 55% :D Feb 22 17:12:03 PuffTheMagic: I was looking for you yesterday, I think I found a bug in wIRC, whenever I roam from cell towers, and wIRC gets disconnected, it can't connect back until I restart it :( Feb 22 17:12:41 nuttybunny, I have the same problem Feb 22 17:12:43 bsm: Have you tried to novaterm into your Pre while the Doctor is working? :) Feb 22 17:12:48 oil: ping! Feb 22 17:13:06 NuttyBunny: I guess I get some busybox fun? Feb 22 17:13:31 anyone read this? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://tamspalm.de/2011/02/palm-stellt-falschen-doctor-online/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1 Feb 22 17:13:42 bsm: Well, I think it's not busybox, it's a better shell Feb 22 17:13:52 it says, that palm uploaded the wrong doctor and thats why the profiles don't work Feb 22 17:13:59 NuttyBunny, so be careful what u say Feb 22 17:14:09 NuttyBunny, you are probably not "disconnected" Feb 22 17:14:16 Didn't I put that link a few minutes ago? :) Feb 22 17:14:21 sorry Feb 22 17:14:44 PuffTheMagic: Well, the wIRC server log says Disconnected :) Feb 22 17:14:49 then it says Connecting... Feb 22 17:14:53 and it just sits there Feb 22 17:15:06 mine won't re-connect once it disconnects Feb 22 17:15:11 Someone get rubby on the phjone Feb 22 17:15:17 hmm what would be the way to move back to 1.4.5 on my pre plus ? Feb 22 17:15:22 see? I'm not the only one :) Feb 22 17:15:31 SimsonCH: Just use the 1.4.5 doctor Feb 22 17:15:40 sound logical Feb 22 17:15:53 NuttyBunny, you are using it wrong then Feb 22 17:16:40 but it happens to multiple people PuffTheMagic Feb 22 17:16:52 ya you all use it wrong Feb 22 17:16:53 Note that profile problems are to be expected, since the combination of non-ROW carriers and webOS 2.1.0 is not one that the profile server would be set up to recognise, so you get a webOS version of 9.9.9 in palm.com/palmprofile as a result. Feb 22 17:16:53 -- Rod Feb 22 17:16:54 .... Feb 22 17:17:03 PatrickC_Pre, this is a known issue Feb 22 17:17:20 ok Feb 22 17:17:37 idk how to handle interrupted connections in a way the is good for everyone Feb 22 17:17:51 Oh, ok :) Feb 22 17:18:51 Stupid Telcel then, it's their network's fault :D Feb 22 17:19:39 is webos 2.1 ipv6 capable? Feb 22 17:19:50 Aaand we're done!! Let's see how this works... Feb 22 17:20:13 "We were unable to reset your phone" :( Feb 22 17:20:15 wtf Feb 22 17:20:38 ouch.. did you run the doctor in a terminal? you get lots of useful info there Feb 22 17:20:41 verification failed. Feb 22 17:21:05 mmm... well, you could try again, or reboot your phone, it should boot Feb 22 17:21:15 the files inside the doctor are confusing.... Feb 22 17:21:28 maybe there's some file that couldn't be verified correctly Feb 22 17:22:18 I'll give it one more try Feb 22 17:23:16 I assume everyone is doing the same thing we did to fix the pre 2 and make it spoof 1.4.5 Feb 22 17:23:19 no your not? Feb 22 17:24:09 Not yet, everyone is installing it as is :) Feb 22 17:24:27 CTLAdvance: for rest of world folks that shouldn't be necessary Feb 22 17:24:34 oh thats true Feb 22 17:25:01 well not actually, they have the devices registered by carrier so if your not one of the supported carriers it prob shouldnt work Feb 22 17:25:25 regardless of the doctor, I believe your identified by your network on activation. Feb 22 17:25:27 hehe, the vodafone and O2 webos doctors in the webos-internals wiki are the same... Feb 22 17:25:46 for version 2.1 Feb 22 17:26:05 funny... people on O2 in germany are asking how to use the metadoctor to get the update on their phone Feb 22 17:26:12 *people in the forums Feb 22 17:28:08 what's the best way to go about becoming a patcher? taking files from device or the doctor? Feb 22 17:28:49 bsm: makes sense, it's just a rest-of-world doctor Feb 22 17:28:51 lets jus say i used webos doctor right now and im on 1.4.5 right Feb 22 17:29:01 can i bypass the profile thing or activation Feb 22 17:29:07 CTLAdvance: rest of world is a carrier actually Feb 22 17:29:12 yes you can josef_b Feb 22 17:29:26 or -wr (world ready) Feb 22 17:29:31 use the profile activation bypass provided by Palm Feb 22 17:29:34 Ah, sh*t... Rod hasn't updated the webosinternals patch server... I only have 1 patch... HAHAHAHAHAHA Feb 22 17:29:43 lol Feb 22 17:29:44 ^^ Feb 22 17:29:53 PatrickC_Pre link if you dont mind ? Feb 22 17:29:54 NuttyBunny: what about paid apps? visible? Feb 22 17:30:04 add the 1.4.5 and 2.0.1 feeds Feb 22 17:30:15 ok josef_b Feb 22 17:30:26 PatrickC_Pre m at the english / espanol screen Feb 22 17:31:07 bsm: It got registered as 9.9.9 on Palm, so... I don't think so Feb 22 17:31:14 argh... Feb 22 17:31:25 even with a new profile? thought that only happens with old profiles Feb 22 17:31:26 What are talking about? Feb 22 17:31:28 I'm an ******** (I haven't "activated" it yet) Feb 22 17:31:31 josef_b: read this; http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 Feb 22 17:31:38 to bypass activation on 2.x Feb 22 17:31:52 the 9.9.9 issue is, I believe, because HP hasn't updated their profiling system to recognize this version Feb 22 17:32:06 open the emergency call in the beginning and type ##DEVMODE# Feb 22 17:32:11 for those using row carrier anyway Feb 22 17:32:12 which is kind of stupid from HP Feb 22 17:33:05 PatrickC_Pre is it logical to say that i bypass the profile right now .. and once we get the doctor for 2 then i register a profile ? Feb 22 17:33:32 LinuxWalker: Or create /var/gadget/enable_devmode while the doctor is running (that's what I do) :D Feb 22 17:33:32 once you re-doctor with 2.1, yes that's fine Feb 22 17:33:52 s/enable_devmode/novacom_enabled/ Feb 22 17:33:53 NuttyBunny meant: LinuxWalker: Or create /var/gadget/novacom_enabled while the doctor is running (that's what I do) :D Feb 22 17:34:18 infobot: status Feb 22 17:34:18 Since Sat Feb 19 06:17:11 2011, there have been 12 modifications, 139 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 46 commands. I have been awake for 3d 11h 16m 27s this session, and currently reference 117702 factoids. I'm using about 22328 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 877.03/26.11 child 0/0 Feb 22 17:34:21 I'm running the Nova-Barleywine on my pre... I would love to get 2.1 on mine Feb 22 17:34:46 nova-barleywine is still under NDA Feb 22 17:34:49 LinuxWalker: Grab the German one and use meta doctor on it Feb 22 17:35:05 shhhh!!! Don't say nova-barkleydrink! Feb 22 17:35:15 That's why I would love to play with 2.1 Feb 22 17:35:41 hi guys Feb 22 17:35:45 so, download the German one and use meta doctor on it Feb 22 17:35:48 hm, still a verification problem Feb 22 17:35:48 heyho Feb 22 17:36:12 cause it seems that everyone that is flashing 2.1 there profile on palm.com/palmprofile it has 9.9.9 Feb 22 17:36:13 http://tamspalm.de/2011/02/palm-stellt-falschen-doctor-online/ Feb 22 17:36:21 bsm: That can't be good, sounds like your flash could be developing read problems :( Feb 22 17:36:26 TamsPalm: Yes, we know Feb 22 17:36:33 ok Feb 22 17:36:35 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://tamspalm.de/2011/02/palm-stellt-falschen-doctor-online/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgivYG2XVdmdaLhJQdTJKN2FruxvQ Feb 22 17:36:37 TamsPalm: where do you got that info from? Feb 22 17:36:38 english version Feb 22 17:36:42 can i bypass palm profile and still activate ? Feb 22 17:36:50 TamsPalm: source? Feb 22 17:36:51 I have very good contacts to Palm and o2 in Germany Feb 22 17:37:11 NuttyBunny: I wasn flashing my pre THAT heavy... Feb 22 17:37:21 I called them after I found the bugs Feb 22 17:37:32 ah Feb 22 17:37:46 question: can you see paid apps in the Catalog? Feb 22 17:37:51 nope Feb 22 17:37:57 ok Feb 22 17:38:07 bsm: I know, but things happen... I had the same problem back in december 09, with a friends Sprint Pre, we weren't able to fix it back then Feb 22 17:38:19 do u know any plans when a fixed version will be available? Feb 22 17:38:33 probably in a few hours Feb 22 17:38:52 hm...waiting again Feb 22 17:39:00 o2 contacted Palm immediately after my call Feb 22 17:39:08 couldn't all that have become ppublic tomorrow?^ Feb 22 17:39:17 ^^ Feb 22 17:39:29 got my exam tomorrow and spent lot of time today working on that^^ Feb 22 17:39:38 instead of lerning ~.~ Feb 22 17:39:45 yep Feb 22 17:39:49 here the same ;) Feb 22 17:40:06 I also have to write an exam tomorrow :D Feb 22 17:40:13 what kind of? Feb 22 17:40:18 english ;) Feb 22 17:40:21 oh^ Feb 22 17:40:30 medial technology for me Feb 22 17:40:40 German is my native language Feb 22 17:40:42 oh, ok Feb 22 17:40:46 mine too Feb 22 17:40:57 exam on friday :D Feb 22 17:40:58 Ok, so, I just signed in my profile, and it's still at 9.9.9 on Palm's server :( Feb 22 17:40:58 Maybe TamsPalm is right and it will happen to everyone ... and maybe they'll fix it and we'll all be happy Feb 22 17:42:29 @ice8lue: Is right, I know your nick :D Feb 22 17:44:22 NuttyBunny: once the issue is fixed for rest of world it may still occur for people on other carriers though Feb 22 17:44:53 destinal: I know :( Feb 22 17:44:53 does this statement parse? "I can make phone calls and browse the internet over ev-do! 3g isn't working" Feb 22 17:45:03 ^^ Feb 22 17:45:07 hehehe Feb 22 17:45:18 I know there are a couple revisions of EVDO, but I'm pretty sure they are all "3G" Feb 22 17:46:23 rev 1 isn't really considered 3g I don't think Feb 22 17:47:50 For GSM devices, the icon appears as "3G", for CDMA it's EV (I think), so, maybe that's the confusion Feb 22 17:47:54 is sprint getting evdo rev b? Feb 22 17:48:01 it's definitely an improvement over 1x data Feb 22 17:48:17 mine shows a 3G (verizon) Feb 22 17:48:18 Oh yeah, 1xrtt was rubbish Feb 22 17:48:42 yeah, webos on my Pre- Feb 22 17:48:57 RagingMind: Weird, they'll patch it :D Feb 22 17:49:13 someone needs to wake up rod wikibi Feb 22 17:49:14 RagingMind did you flash ? Feb 22 17:49:21 Ok! I enter the catalog and it says: "No apps found"... hehehe... Feb 22 17:49:31 no, just saying that verizon shows a "3G" Feb 22 17:49:50 I think I have seen an EV up there, but there never seems to be any difference Feb 22 17:50:09 omg i forgot 1.4.5 i have to watch gesture video and actual video Feb 22 17:51:11 NuttyBunny: it says that for some sections of the app catalog, but I just installed Bahnfahren Feb 22 17:52:01 Yes, got facebook too. Too bad no paid apps show here Feb 22 17:52:09 ah yep Feb 22 17:52:19 I see paid apps Feb 22 17:52:25 and OS Version 9.9.9 :D Feb 22 17:52:35 lol Feb 22 17:52:44 bsm you looking at palm.com/palmprofile ? Feb 22 17:52:58 yep Feb 22 17:53:33 streight_power: What version and device are you using??? :) Feb 22 17:53:37 anybody still running 1.4.5 and some terminal? Feb 22 17:53:45 bsm im back on 1.4.5 Feb 22 17:53:48 I'd like to know how much memory 1.4.5 uses Feb 22 17:53:49 bsm why whats up Feb 22 17:54:01 bsm you want me to install preware and terminal ? Feb 22 17:54:12 voice memos is back! Feb 22 17:54:17 Josef_B: no, don't install it, I'll find somebody Feb 22 17:54:20 k Feb 22 17:54:30 The web browser you are using is not supported for managing your device. Please use Internet Explorer, Firefox or Safari instead. Feb 22 17:54:33 WTF?! Feb 22 17:54:39 Opera 4ever Feb 22 17:54:46 I'm waiting for the updated doctor with the profile fix, until then there's only playtime and no serious route for me to consider Feb 22 17:54:55 Jonny-TX: where? Feb 22 17:55:03 you guy rly think they uploade the wrong dr? Feb 22 17:55:04 palm.com/palmprofile Feb 22 17:55:10 yep Feb 22 17:55:13 Jonny-TX: opera 11 works flawlessly Feb 22 17:55:47 oh oh oh! can someone with 2.1 test navit? Feb 22 17:56:00 navit sucks in the USA Feb 22 17:56:05 there was a bug in 2.0.1 that prevented PDK apps from accessing GPS data Feb 22 17:56:07 streight_power: jep Feb 22 17:56:08 can't find adresses Feb 22 17:56:09 can any other browsers be installed in webOS? Feb 22 17:56:11 streight_power, yes, but it's free Feb 22 17:56:39 PatrickC_Pre: could: yes. available: nothing Feb 22 17:56:41 and I've been thinking about looking into what it'd take to fix the osm data Feb 22 17:56:55 is it not a map probem? Feb 22 17:56:58 I'm not a programmer, but I have experience with GIS Feb 22 17:57:02 bsm thanks Feb 22 17:57:37 streight_power, navit can't tell what streets are in what city Feb 22 17:57:37 whats the best way for US 1.4.5 pre + owners .. do we wait for rwhitby-pre to make a webos doctor for us ? Feb 22 17:58:21 Josef_B, probably, but the good news is that rwhitby-pre and friends are better about timelines than HPalm ;) Feb 22 17:58:23 if I find a patch, but want to mod something of it, how do I do that? Feb 22 17:59:20 if navit doesn't work I"m staying on 1.4.5 through the weekend. Yay! road trips :D Feb 22 17:59:43 woho, webosquickinstall 4.0 is crazy Feb 22 18:00:18 except I don't find preware Feb 22 18:01:00 hm, could anyone point me to how I install preware on 2.1? Feb 22 18:01:10 quick install\ Feb 22 18:01:18 does it have to be built for 2.1 first? Feb 22 18:01:24 no Feb 22 18:01:30 it's already compatible Feb 22 18:01:34 fun Feb 22 18:01:58 precentral forums hanging up for anyone else? Feb 22 18:02:21 I'm too stupid to find it. Feb 22 18:04:15 ah ok Feb 22 18:04:18 everything alright Feb 22 18:04:22 its not in the feeds Feb 22 18:05:03 it's already compatible Feb 22 18:05:25 so is this going to work by the end of the day? Feb 22 18:06:21 whenever they release the actual doctor? Feb 22 18:07:35 someone go yell at palm Feb 22 18:07:57 chuqui :) Feb 22 18:10:35 ;) Feb 22 18:11:03 how do I download a patch to mod the path that it mods Feb 22 18:12:12 * NuttyBunny has practiced using the Meta Doctor enough for today, and will wait for the new Doctor to play :) Feb 22 18:12:47 * PatrickC_Pre really wants to fix this patch Feb 22 18:12:52 Meta dr is so awesome Feb 22 18:13:19 prob sjhould get it to work on windows Feb 22 18:18:36 great, I cannot switch off backup with 2.1 Feb 22 18:19:07 hm, or maybe it took two tries Feb 22 18:20:32 I cannot find this patch! man Feb 22 18:22:15 sonix_: ping Feb 22 18:22:25 omg I can select what I want to sync with my exchange server Feb 22 18:22:56 question Feb 22 18:23:03 there a way to see what palm profile i have on my phone Feb 22 18:23:12 device info Feb 22 18:24:03 that dosen't show the email though Feb 22 18:24:12 it just shows the nick i chose Feb 22 18:24:27 backup app --> app menu Feb 22 18:24:29 I think Feb 22 18:24:52 that one just says backing up Feb 22 18:24:54 let me look in my inbox Feb 22 18:25:24 yea i messed it up Feb 22 18:25:36 backup app --> app menu -->Palm Profile Feb 22 18:26:33 1) okay 1.4.5 profile is not usable on 2.1 Feb 22 18:26:43 2) 2.1 on pre plus is dogslow Feb 22 18:27:26 sonix_, you here? Feb 22 18:32:56 huh Feb 22 18:32:58 SimpsonCH how is this ? Feb 22 18:33:24 SimpsonCH are you backing up your .db3 to to 2.1 or whats going on ? Feb 22 18:34:08 SimpsonCH: its super smooth on my pre- Feb 22 18:34:27 i thought 2.1 uses a diff .db3 then 1.4.5 ? Feb 22 18:36:13 anyone else with i deas Feb 22 18:36:37 SimpsonCH is saying 1.4.5 profile works with 2.1 how is this if on palm.com/palmprofile if yo have 2 it shows 9.9.9 .. am i missing something ? Feb 22 18:38:58 ok, I'm missing ubercalendar :D Feb 22 18:39:29 oil: ping! Feb 22 18:41:14 hm, agenda does not work anymore Feb 22 18:41:17 with 2.1 Feb 22 18:43:30 and booting is so uber fast Feb 22 18:43:47 testin testing! Feb 22 18:45:03 ok back Feb 22 18:45:05 so as i was saying Feb 22 18:45:31 how can a 1.4.5 palm profil work with 2.1 palm profile .. i thought it shows it as 9.9.9 and then you won't be able to use it Feb 22 18:46:18 how can I download a patch and unzip it? Feb 22 18:48:03 PatrickC: try this link... http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191805-tutorial-unpacking-ipk-files-further-your-knowledge.html Feb 22 18:50:42 anyone got from 1.4.5 to 2.1 and still use there regular palm profile ? Feb 22 18:50:55 s/got/go Feb 22 18:53:09 rwings19: how do i/where do I get the patch to mod? Feb 22 18:53:49 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor.html Feb 22 18:53:53 hm, shouldn't the doctor have erased all my partitions and everything? Feb 22 18:54:45 i can test it out Feb 22 18:54:51 my wife is gonna be mad cause she can't call me Feb 22 18:54:51 :D Feb 22 18:55:47 bsm: If you upgraded from 1.4.5, it should had, it doing it from Barley, no Feb 22 18:57:01 mmmm... has anyone noticed the bookmarks? mine has numbers over them Feb 22 18:57:10 NuttyBunny: I had 1.4.5 installed before Feb 22 18:57:14 interesting Feb 22 18:57:39 bsm: Weird Feb 22 18:58:10 heh, is it "Install 2.1 on all your Pre+/Pre-" hour? :] Feb 22 18:58:17 'course Feb 22 18:58:32 maybe they got the upgrade/partition resize done correctly :D Feb 22 18:58:32 Kind of came out of nowhere! Feb 22 18:58:58 yeah, I nearly died Feb 22 18:59:20 That was the reason I backed up everything! :D Feb 22 18:59:41 Still haven't restored anything until tomorrow, to see if new doctors come in Feb 22 19:00:12 * SineOt is glad to have a testing profile. Feb 22 19:00:24 hm, I cannot remove events in my calendar XD Feb 22 19:00:56 NuttyBunny your coming from 1.4.5 right ? Feb 22 19:01:34 ah and 3) lot of patches not available ;) Feb 22 19:02:15 SimpsonCH your on 2.1 now ? can you access your palm profile ? or does it say 9.9.9 ? Feb 22 19:02:46 no can't access it, thats why I reverted to 1.4.5, it was slow lick shit as well Feb 22 19:03:03 huh Feb 22 19:04:13 Yeah, it'll say 9.9.9 if it's an unrecognized device combo Feb 22 19:04:23 but I expect that something will get sorted out with time Feb 22 19:04:39 The Sprint Pre2s report themselves as a Sprint 1.4.5 device, and not a 2.0.1 device Feb 22 19:09:21 this guy says he's got working profile and app cat http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2881061&posted=1#post2881055 Feb 22 19:09:36 looks fake to me coz he didn't do anything else we all did Feb 22 19:11:28 ice8lue: probably did something similar to what has been done with the Sprint Pre2 Feb 22 19:12:24 hm possible Feb 22 19:12:41 but he shouldn't see 2.0 apps than right? Feb 22 19:12:53 though i can see a lot of them in 1.4.5 Feb 22 19:13:00 since right now, you can't set the minimum version of an app to 2.0, you'd still be seeing them Feb 22 19:13:08 when that changes, it might get wonky Feb 22 19:13:14 ah ok Feb 22 19:13:52 so right now Feb 22 19:13:56 nothing you can do abou the palm profile Feb 22 19:14:37 if its really a server problem, no Feb 22 19:15:30 once I have a .patch file, how do I mod it? Feb 22 19:15:51 PatrickC_Pre: understand whats in it? Feb 22 19:16:01 and modding the patch file is not really THE way Feb 22 19:16:11 how do I open it? Feb 22 19:16:13 except you want to change minor things like colors Feb 22 19:16:14 text editor Feb 22 19:16:17 how do I mod a patch then? Feb 22 19:16:38 thanks! I'll try the text editor then Feb 22 19:18:31 can I use webosqi to apply the .patch file? Feb 22 19:18:43 think so Feb 22 19:18:46 ok Feb 22 19:20:57 yeah, angrybirds on 2.1 Feb 22 19:21:09 and I bought it with 1.4.5 Feb 22 19:21:38 works smooth Feb 22 19:21:58 and the SDL apps don't turn 45 degree when pausing now Feb 22 19:22:00 bsm: how? Feb 22 19:22:01 looks really better Feb 22 19:22:28 ice8lue: while downloading from the appcat the file is stored in /media/internal/downloads/ Feb 22 19:22:39 ah ok, that way ;) Feb 22 19:22:47 and copy while installing Feb 22 19:22:56 with small apps you have to be fast :D Feb 22 19:23:02 ya Feb 22 19:25:08 lol voice dialing Feb 22 19:25:12 omg its like christmas Feb 22 19:26:41 HP just made all its followers happy :P Feb 22 19:26:59 its so simple Feb 22 19:27:00 bsm: Does voice dialing work correctly for you? I mean, does it recognize names or just numbers? Feb 22 19:27:11 thing is Feb 22 19:27:17 Josef_B: more like confused the ever living hell out of them Feb 22 19:27:19 unless i missed something earlier Feb 22 19:27:23 wtf is 2.1 for pre2@ Feb 22 19:27:25 NuttyBunny: yes, I've got the US lang selected so I have to exxagerate my german names Feb 22 19:27:26 ! Feb 22 19:27:37 but it works quite well Feb 22 19:27:43 since Pre2s don't have 2.1 and they keep saying that the Pre+ can't handle 2.1 and yet BOOM Feb 22 19:27:45 bsm: Nice! :D I'll try it later.. hehehe Feb 22 19:28:09 right now I'm inside a computer site and all the noise won't let it recognize anything :) Feb 22 19:29:48 any webos doctor for AT&T yet ? Feb 22 19:30:04 is at&t GSM? Feb 22 19:30:09 yes Feb 22 19:30:17 Josef_B: No, and I don't think there will be one, but you can use Meta Doctor to create one Feb 22 19:30:20 the european doctors COULD work Feb 22 19:30:29 there may be problems with APN Feb 22 19:30:34 names Feb 22 19:31:07 NuttyBunny http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor.html Feb 22 19:31:19 Look in the Device Info application on your device to find your model number (P100EWW, P100UEU, P100UNA, P101EWW, P101UEU, P101UNA) and your carrier (ROW, Sprint, Verizon, etc). Feb 22 19:31:21 a few gGerman users told me that the old profil works now Feb 22 19:31:30 P100UNA, = A&T Feb 22 19:31:39 s/A&T/AT&T Feb 22 19:32:05 Jonny-TX: sure? :D Feb 22 19:32:50 P101EWW Feb 22 19:32:57 bsm: yes :) Feb 22 19:33:03 I will test it now Feb 22 19:33:17 please report^^ Feb 22 19:33:33 Jonny-TX are you on AT&T or testing profile ? Feb 22 19:33:34 I don't really want to as my device works now Feb 22 19:33:35 * ice8lue crosses fingers for a confirmation Feb 22 19:33:35 hi Jonny-TX Feb 22 19:34:04 I'm going to backup now Feb 22 19:34:12 Josef_B: I already have my Pre Plus on 2.1, via a Meta Doctor modified file :) Feb 22 19:34:15 hey MetaView Feb 22 19:34:20 Oh, look at your profile Feb 22 19:34:23 hi Meta Feb 22 19:34:27 it's now 2.1.0 Feb 22 19:34:29 NuttyBunny for ATT though Feb 22 19:34:30 it was 9.9.9 Feb 22 19:34:35 really? Feb 22 19:34:36 seems that the doctor works now Feb 22 19:34:39 yep Feb 22 19:34:39 now, that's hot Feb 22 19:34:41 Jonny-TX what did you do ? Feb 22 19:34:49 nothing Feb 22 19:34:55 just installed 2.1 Feb 22 19:34:56 ? Feb 22 19:35:16 I'm reinstalling it Feb 22 19:35:21 You had 9.9.9 and reinstalled 2.1 and you went to 2.1.0? Or it just fixed itself? Feb 22 19:35:27 now Feb 22 19:35:32 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor < -- /me gets to work Feb 22 19:35:40 I installed it, had 9.9.9 and now 2.1.0 Feb 22 19:35:42 I did nothing Feb 22 19:35:48 probably Palm fixed it Feb 22 19:35:51 YEAH Feb 22 19:35:55 they really fixed it Feb 22 19:35:56 mmm... Feb 22 19:36:12 yay Palm =D Feb 22 19:36:21 whats the link to test whether my phone will get 2.0? Feb 22 19:36:22 what if you want to use a profile that is wiped out on palm.com/palmprofile .. do you juse doctor it and when it comes backup do you just register with existing one ? Feb 22 19:36:36 * NuttyBunny hits refresh on the profile page Feb 22 19:36:38 PatrickC_Pre http://ws.palm.com/WebOsChecker/serialnumberinitial.htm Feb 22 19:36:39 mmm... Feb 22 19:36:41 no devices Feb 22 19:37:00 same for me Feb 22 19:37:01 thanks josef Feb 22 19:37:04 Josef_B: i created a new one Feb 22 19:37:08 and it was 9.9.9 Feb 22 19:37:08 stupid me, that's the old profile :D Feb 22 19:37:09 EAP test profile? @NuttyBunny Feb 22 19:37:21 o2 is really fast Feb 22 19:37:31 I've called them at 5pm :D Feb 22 19:37:46 bbl Feb 22 19:37:55 ok im about to compile medatodctor or follow webos-interlas guide .. do i post it or do i want for rwhitby-pre to post 1 ? Feb 22 19:38:02 mine is for AT&T Feb 22 19:38:03 ice8lue: Yep, I'll doctor with 1.4.5 and then 2.1 :D Feb 22 19:38:28 hm think i'll wait some time to get some more info Feb 22 19:38:30 can someone test it please? Feb 22 19:38:40 I have to charge my battery Feb 22 19:38:43 got a bunch of bought apps in my main profile and don't wanna lose them Feb 22 19:39:59 so is there a profile solution ?? Feb 22 19:40:06 I'm confused now Feb 22 19:40:15 seems like palm fixed it serverside Feb 22 19:40:24 still waiting on more confirmations Feb 22 19:40:37 hmm okay Feb 22 19:40:45 so I should doctor again ? :) Feb 22 19:41:01 no don't think so Feb 22 19:41:20 on what kind of profile you are now? Feb 22 19:41:33 uhm I'm back to 1.4.5 with respective profile Feb 22 19:42:19 well, it COULD be working now to load your normal profile... Feb 22 19:42:33 okay Feb 22 19:42:34 you could do a reset on phone and create a new 1.4.5 profile Feb 22 19:42:46 doctor it to 2.1 and try to load that profile Feb 22 19:42:54 well that doesn't really help does it Feb 22 19:43:09 I wanna keep my config,which works pretty well when I moved back to 1.4.5 Feb 22 19:43:13 if that works and you got 2.1.0 on palm.com/profile as version, it's fixed Feb 22 19:43:24 it does confirm it's working or not Feb 22 19:43:24 ah I see what you mean Feb 22 19:44:22 Hey Adora tell palm they done goofed up Feb 22 19:44:27 Doctoring to 1.4.5 Feb 22 19:44:36 hi adora Feb 22 19:44:38 Everyone say hi to Adora! Feb 22 19:44:41 Hi Adora :) Feb 22 19:44:45 Hey Adora =) Feb 22 19:44:49 Hola Adora, mi amor Feb 22 19:45:18 * NuttyBunny slaps streight_power -- Hey! respect! Feb 22 19:45:25 im having issues with the medatdoctor Feb 22 19:45:26 im stuck Feb 22 19:45:26 ;) Feb 22 19:46:01 what's wrong, Josef_B Feb 22 19:46:01 make make DEVICE=preplus all-att Feb 22 19:46:25 wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar Feb 22 19:46:25 < -- not found Feb 22 19:46:33 no, no Feb 22 19:46:34 do i just go to my list like 1.4.5 one and i can download it Feb 22 19:46:40 that's not the right link :) Feb 22 19:47:00 yes Feb 22 19:47:02 you should get http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p210r0d02212011/eudep210rod/webosdoctorp101ueude-wr.jar Feb 22 19:47:12 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p145r0d09132010/attp145rod/webosdoctorp101ewwatt.jar Feb 22 19:48:22 Josef_B: that first link you posted was for the Sprint 1.3.5.1 doctor :p Feb 22 19:48:39 What version you're trying to build? the second link you posted is 1.4.5 for AT&T Feb 22 19:48:44 the New sprit 1.3.5.1!!!!!!!! Feb 22 19:48:57 hola! Feb 22 19:49:06 someone make my palm profile work Feb 22 19:49:26 streigh_power: still not working? Feb 22 19:49:44 funny, I was going to ask after the VzPre2 came out how the work was going on making a 1.4.5.2.0.1 franken ver.. i guess it's easier than i thought! :) Feb 22 19:49:55 at least, expected it to be.. ;^) Feb 22 19:51:34 ajay_, the O2 Pre+ 2.1 doctor is much more helpful ;) Feb 22 19:52:10 RagingMind: turns out! I hadn't really expected that last week tho.. ;^) Feb 22 19:52:38 are folks here getting their profile working with the 1.4.5-masking, or is there another way? Feb 22 19:53:12 ajay_: seems like palm did fix it on server side Feb 22 19:53:19 not sure about the masking, but someone just reported that their profile magically went to the right version Feb 22 19:53:25 but there's just one user reporting it works now (version jumped from 9.9.9 to 2.1.0) Feb 22 19:53:43 jep Feb 22 19:53:44 who knows, maybe that's the "make things right" HP has been hinting at Feb 22 19:53:46 ice8lue: Oh, nice.. so that's for the Euros right? Everyone with an "unrecognized" combo should still get 9.9.9 Feb 22 19:53:52 SineOt: That wouldn't make sense Feb 22 19:53:56 of course, that does jack shit for Pixi people :U Feb 22 19:54:03 I'll try it again now Feb 22 19:54:19 ajay_ I sadly dont know... Feb 22 19:55:28 ice8lue: ok.. guess we'll wait to hear from more than 1 user then.. Feb 22 19:56:06 ya Feb 22 19:57:05 ice8lue: http://www.nexave.de/forum/p420106-webos-2-1-fuer-o2-und-vodafone-pre-plus/.html#post420106 Feb 22 19:58:33 has someone an old 1.3.5 doctor or emulator for me? Feb 22 19:58:44 needed for o2 pre Feb 22 20:00:17 why 1.3.5? Feb 22 20:00:21 now, that sounds fantastic @Jonny-TX Feb 22 20:00:25 and not 1.4.5? :p Feb 22 20:00:31 SineOt: rest of world users were getting 9.9.9 incorrectly before but it may be fixed on palm servers Feb 22 20:00:33 gonna have a bath now, will try that afterwards Feb 22 20:01:31 yeah, but wouldn't downgrading to 1.4.5 work better than trying to dig up a 1.3.5 doctor? Feb 22 20:01:31 SineOt: I want to test an app on 1._3_.5 Feb 22 20:01:42 any indication of the 9.9.9 being fixed on palm's side yet? Feb 22 20:01:49 nothing to do with the newest doctor Feb 22 20:01:51 sebastianha: to my knowledge there should be no 1.3.5 devices left in the wild Feb 22 20:02:01 the oldest would be Tecel which is on 1.4.0 Feb 22 20:02:29 SineOt: I know. But I want to lower the version in app catalog and want to test it at least once before doing this Feb 22 20:02:35 sebastianha: i do see a torrent for 1.3.5 Feb 22 20:02:46 its actually an archive of all the webos doctors Feb 22 20:03:16 the true me emerges Feb 22 20:03:35 dumbledore_: sebastianha: let's keep this channel free of copyright infringement talk, please Feb 22 20:03:40 sebastianha: yes, on my server Feb 22 20:03:41 mom Feb 22 20:03:53 destinal: Oh, sorry Feb 22 20:04:18 some ppl just asume anything on a torrent i illegal Feb 22 20:04:18 http://tamspalm.de/files/1.1.3.zip Feb 22 20:04:24 no 1.3.5 Feb 22 20:04:30 mmh Feb 22 20:04:32 ok Feb 22 20:05:07 Oh I wonder if meta-doctor supports this 2.1 update for telcel.. feel sorry for those folks! Feb 22 20:05:10 kill_dano: it IS illegal Feb 22 20:05:22 torrents are illegal? Feb 22 20:05:32 a torrent of webos is illegal Feb 22 20:05:52 only if it's modded Feb 22 20:05:58 nope, at all Feb 22 20:05:59 destinal: really? Feb 22 20:06:00 not at all. Even if palm posted a version on their servers they don't give you license to redistribute it Feb 22 20:06:04 only palm can distribute it Feb 22 20:06:09 oh Feb 22 20:06:11 copying it to someone else is a violation of copyright law Feb 22 20:06:36 whateva Feb 22 20:06:48 get a life Feb 22 20:07:14 okay, I can login in to my 1.4.5 profile now as well Feb 22 20:07:19 Booting 1.4.5... palm logo warms my heart :) Feb 22 20:07:40 'd never go back to 1.4.5 after being on 2.1 Feb 22 20:07:57 and my profile show 2.1 as well Feb 22 20:08:10 sorry for asking, did not know that Feb 22 20:09:06 afk Feb 22 20:09:33 please query me if you have new information Feb 22 20:10:19 * ajay_ has never seen that happen here before! woa.. Feb 22 20:11:07 ajay_, we are very picky about talk of illegal (re)distribution of webOS doctors Feb 22 20:11:14 whether they are modified or not Feb 22 20:11:21 is o2 webos 2.0 out yet? Feb 22 20:11:29 not to mention direct insults of others on the channel Feb 22 20:11:33 I heard mention that 2.1 was out for them Feb 22 20:11:41 for original pre's? Feb 22 20:11:42 ^ got me upset Feb 22 20:11:44 ;o Feb 22 20:11:48 destinal, that too.. we will do what is needed to keep the peace in this channel Feb 22 20:11:58 let me double check my claim... Feb 22 20:12:01 ok Feb 22 20:12:41 yeah Feb 22 20:12:42 its out Feb 22 20:12:46 http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/276455-webos-2-1-0-rollout-started.html Feb 22 20:13:04 indeed Feb 22 20:13:13 cryptk: ? I don't quite see how it needs to be illegal, i see multiple 1.3.5's linked from WOI's site Feb 22 20:13:26 we are linking to the official palm downloads Feb 22 20:13:30 we are not hosting those downloads Feb 22 20:13:41 we are not distributing them, we are just giving you a map Feb 22 20:13:56 everyone can feel free to post links to the OFFICIAL downloads that are provided by palm Feb 22 20:14:03 seems like if somebody wants them they could download from those links, i don't know why they would need to go to a torrent/random-website Feb 22 20:14:11 but torrenting a doctor IS illegal as only Palm has the rights to distribute THEIR code Feb 22 20:14:20 ajay_, our point exactly Feb 22 20:14:24 ajay_: because Palm isn't hosting the older doctors any more, just the latest versions for each carrier Feb 22 20:14:37 a 1.3.5 doctor will return a 404 because it doesn't exist any more Feb 22 20:14:40 oh Feb 22 20:14:52 you can usually get the most recent as well as 1 or 2 older versions from the official palm links Feb 22 20:14:54 burn by palm Feb 22 20:15:13 cant wait for overclock for original pre on 2.0 :D Feb 22 20:15:16 I.E.: for sprint you can still download both 1.4.5 and 1.4.1.1 Feb 22 20:15:19 so .. i'm not sure why those links are even on WOI then.. all this time i assumed those links were live Feb 22 20:15:22 yeah used to be they kept them on for a while Feb 22 20:15:27 ie forever Feb 22 20:15:29 dumbledore_, ask uNiXpSyChO lol Feb 22 20:15:32 not sure why they started removing them Feb 22 20:15:34 lol Feb 22 20:15:44 he is our resident kernel guru Feb 22 20:15:50 yeah there are pre2's with overclocked kernels right? Feb 22 20:16:02 yeah, but not much of an oc thouh Feb 22 20:16:06 destinal: because they don't love us Feb 22 20:16:19 dumbledore_, I /think/ we have it up to 1.2 so far Feb 22 20:16:23 dumbledore_: I thought there was a 1.4 ghz oc? sounds like a good amount to me! Feb 22 20:16:31 but I can't test them yet as I am still working to perfect the Sprint Pre2 Feb 22 20:16:35 lol 1.2 :P Feb 22 20:16:41 ajay_: basically I recommend just not deleting the copy of any sdk or doctor you get from palm in case you want to go back sometime Feb 22 20:16:41 I need things as stock as possible during that process Feb 22 20:17:00 destinal: wow.. guess i'll need more HDD space! Feb 22 20:17:00 ajay_, there /may/ be a 1.4 I don't remember Feb 22 20:17:22 ajay_: they sell multi-terabyte hard drives for cheap these days, you know.. ;) Feb 22 20:17:23 i'll love to see the day they get the pre 2 to 2ghz :D Feb 22 20:17:24 but I can tell you that my Pre2 @ 1.0 is much faster than my Pre @1.2/1.4 Feb 22 20:17:38 the 2 flies Feb 22 20:17:47 dumbledore_, we step it up slowly since we don't know the hard limits of the hardware Feb 22 20:17:53 destinal: Oh you're so generous to buy me a HDD! Really appreciate it Feb 22 20:17:59 lol Feb 22 20:18:00 and when overclocking, processors don't typically tell you no... Feb 22 20:18:13 if we told the thing to run at 4GHz, it would try... and it would fry Feb 22 20:18:18 cryptK: yeah i know Feb 22 20:18:19 :P Feb 22 20:18:21 lol Feb 22 20:18:27 * ajay_ sings "burn baby burn!" Feb 22 20:18:34 lol Feb 22 20:18:39 not only fry, possible could have fire in the palm of your hands Feb 22 20:18:40 :3 Feb 22 20:19:06 I've been waiting a long time for someone to release a virus that does that...haven't seen it yet though Feb 22 20:19:11 dumbledore_: that sounds awesome! I need to do that Feb 22 20:19:17 lol Feb 22 20:20:09 my pixi used to get so hot with the overclock that i used to use it to warm up my hands Feb 22 20:20:24 first doctor w00t Feb 22 20:20:24 thanks to NuttyBunny Feb 22 20:20:24 why would you overclock a 1ghz phone Feb 22 20:20:31 sup dumbledore_ :P Feb 22 20:20:38 sup josef :D Feb 22 20:20:39 lol, problem solved for me - found the old 1.3.5 sdk link in this channel logs :) Feb 22 20:20:57 lol im surprised palm didnt take down the SDK links Feb 22 20:21:03 unless you found it on a different file host Feb 22 20:21:09 official old link works Feb 22 20:21:11 so now everyone is able to use 2.x where is the SDK :) Feb 22 20:21:22 nice Feb 22 20:21:26 sebastianha: they don't remove the old sdk links? we should make a wiki of them then Feb 22 20:21:59 I googled for: cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads 1.3.5 Feb 22 20:22:14 second match Feb 22 20:22:25 irclog 20100306 Feb 22 20:22:56 nice Feb 22 20:23:23 destinal: sounds like a good idea! Feb 22 20:23:36 guys im making my metadoctor .. since this is my main device do i need carrier check / activate etc .. ? Feb 22 20:23:39 BREAKING NEWS!!!!: my old 1.4.5er profile works with webos 2.1!! Feb 22 20:23:52 :D Feb 22 20:24:03 johnny: but! can you buy apps?? Feb 22 20:24:11 Jonny-TX: same old doctor? Feb 22 20:24:25 because you can get it to even faster Feb 22 20:24:25 higher starting point, higher max out Feb 22 20:24:25 im sure he's still signing in to his profile yet Feb 22 20:24:43 cant wait to see 2.0 on pixi :P Feb 22 20:24:49 anyone ? Feb 22 20:24:59 remove carrier check Feb 22 20:25:00 hi Feb 22 20:25:05 Jonny-TX, I announced tha tlike 10 minutes ago ;) Feb 22 20:25:13 doctor wont let you do it if you still leave the carrier check in there Feb 22 20:25:18 oh, i did'nt read it ;) Feb 22 20:25:21 now I only need ubercalendar... Feb 22 20:25:24 o2 doctor wont run on ATT phone :3 Feb 22 20:25:26 sebastianh: yes Feb 22 20:25:40 dumbledore_: before or after meta? I was just about to do that! Feb 22 20:25:46 @ajay_ it restores my app Feb 22 20:25:51 i will try it after that Feb 22 20:26:17 before metadoctoring it Feb 22 20:26:28 johnny: i heard that works fine (E.g. on the sprint frankenpre), just not purchasing Feb 22 20:26:55 can i use the o2 doctor on my sprint pre? Feb 22 20:27:07 would it still have the CDMA firmware for the modem? Feb 22 20:27:08 guys im trying to put my db3 file back on my 1.4.5 pre and im getting error 5 Feb 22 20:27:10 is there a way to add an xmpp/jabber account zu webos 2 atm? like a entry in /etc/hosts for gmail or someting Feb 22 20:27:10 zu=to Feb 22 20:27:10 any ideas ? Feb 22 20:27:38 yeah, too bad Pixi 2.0 is probably going to never happen Feb 22 20:27:43 dumbledore_: no, it would not. that would be an issue but it should be possible to use the one from verizon 2.0.1 pre2 doctor Feb 22 20:27:53 * ajay_ 's head spins at the thought of combining a 2.1 o2 doctor with a 2.0.1 vz pre2 doctor.. Feb 22 20:27:57 nice Feb 22 20:28:06 just port over the firmware file and i'll be good? Feb 22 20:28:54 josef_B: try putting into recovery mode Feb 22 20:29:00 any1 here also problems logging into linkedin account on 2.1 ? Feb 22 20:29:20 josef_B: make sure you're also in dev. mode Feb 22 20:30:32 damn I really want to metadoctor to 2.1, but my phone is just _so_ slow without OC (dunno why) Feb 22 20:31:55 i would be working on metadoctoring the 2.0 right now, but sprint is gonna look at my phone in a couple days to figure out why its falling back into 1x all the time Feb 22 20:32:30 dumbledore_: I wonder if it's related to the foil I wrapped around your house Feb 22 20:32:47 is it safe to 2.1 metadoctor my pre- ? Feb 22 20:32:49 :3 Feb 22 20:32:53 I thought it was still not recommended? Feb 22 20:33:03 still drops back to 1x even outside the hosue :D Feb 22 20:33:10 I've found the firmware files, but I"m waiting till there's a bit more details about where I put what Feb 22 20:33:22 dumbledore_: ok then i guess that wasn't related Feb 22 20:33:27 you can put 2.1 on your pre-, just that you're taking a risk if you brick your phone Feb 22 20:33:52 so it's still awfully preliminary at this point, and I should wait a few days Feb 22 20:33:57 so... people are setting their pres with 2.1 to hide as 1.4.5 on sprint? on verizon wouldn't it make more sense to hide as a 2.0.1 pre2? Feb 22 20:33:59 summan: I'd recommend waiting Feb 22 20:34:12 RagingMind: ooo.. i wonder if that's possible! Feb 22 20:34:30 I'll keep an eye on things :) Feb 22 20:34:48 RagingMind: I wonder if you can fake your hardware, or only if you can fake your sw though Feb 22 20:35:05 RagingMind: that sounds like it'd work well for a frankenpre2, at the least.. Feb 22 20:35:22 it's software that sends that info to the server, there's got to be a way to fake it ;) Feb 22 20:35:49 You turn my software into hardware, baby. Feb 22 20:36:08 Loudergood: maybe you can just recode the app that sends to the server :) Feb 22 20:36:17 ^ Feb 22 20:37:03 especially when it connects over wifi Feb 22 20:37:04 sebastianha: thanks for the idea -- check out http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_SDK_Versions now Feb 22 20:37:08 :) Feb 22 20:37:25 * ajay_ says props to destinal and sebastianha Feb 22 20:37:26 destinal: btw: its a pain to start the old emu Feb 22 20:37:28 :) Feb 22 20:37:42 heyho, i'm back Feb 22 20:37:47 what about profiles? Feb 22 20:38:03 sebastianha: I'd try copying the emulator base files to where they go on the current sdk and try installing it into the emulator using the newer tools Feb 22 20:38:08 destinal, blank page? that what it supposed to be? Feb 22 20:38:08 ice8lue_: what are these "profiles" of which you speak Feb 22 20:38:19 I did Feb 22 20:38:23 works now Feb 22 20:38:23 ^^ if they do work now Feb 22 20:38:31 but I cannot see my cursor :) Feb 22 20:38:34 or if there is a confirmation^ Feb 22 20:38:35 blind clicking Feb 22 20:38:41 is it up on volume for recovery ? Feb 22 20:38:45 nah, it won't brick :) Feb 22 20:38:45 if it's gsm it won't brick Feb 22 20:38:45 cdma I don't know :) Feb 22 20:38:48 RagingMind: If you fake to 1.4.5 you get apps on Sprint, if you fake to 2.x you ger nothing :) Feb 22 20:38:54 RagingMind: it should be links to the versions I wasa able to find URL's for in the chat logs Feb 22 20:39:17 unfortuantely relatively few of them were ever pasted here Feb 22 20:39:40 ice8lue_, my profile works in the meantime Feb 22 20:39:42 destinal, "There is currently no text in this page" Feb 22 20:40:13 NuttyBunny: apps on sprint? Feb 22 20:40:13 SimpsonCH: on which setup? (device) Feb 22 20:40:27 * ajay_ thinks this would be a good day to update the channel topic :) Feb 22 20:40:46 I am working on a process to get the stock sprint apps working on a Pre2 on sprint (which is masquerading as 1.4.5) Feb 22 20:41:05 oh I get it Feb 22 20:41:33 pre+ o2 Feb 22 20:41:55 dumbledore_ i sent my db3 while in recovery mode .. WSQI just says please wait Feb 22 20:42:47 hm...any pre- o2? Feb 22 20:43:02 wow.. this is such a way-back day in irc.. kicks, splits, what's next! Feb 22 20:43:15 anyone else have any ideas .. i sent my .db3 to my 1.4.5 pre via WSQI and it just says please wait .. is it working or not ? Feb 22 20:43:31 ice8lue_: i'll be glad to try it on my pre- if someone is willing to cooperate with me to make one Feb 22 20:43:48 dumbledore_ making an doctor? Feb 22 20:43:50 yeah Feb 22 20:44:02 ajay_, what would you like the topic set to? Feb 22 20:44:16 i already made my doctor .. Feb 22 20:44:18 i only got like 600mb's left on my 320 gig hdd Feb 22 20:44:20 we pretty much leave the topic static... Feb 22 20:44:25 im just trying to get this db3 into my 1.4.5 Feb 22 20:44:38 as we are pretty much at the text limit with it... and all of the info in it is useful/required Feb 22 20:44:46 cryptk: I was thinking people are probably asking a lot about metadoctoring, so maybe that P|C url about it.. Feb 22 20:45:08 ajay_, which URL? Feb 22 20:45:21 dumbledore_ oh, thats a lot too less^^ Feb 22 20:45:21 maybe http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 22 20:45:44 infobot, o2metadoc is at http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 22 20:45:45 lol i know Feb 22 20:45:46 cryptk: okay Feb 22 20:45:51 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Feb 22 20:45:51 ~o2metadoc Feb 22 20:45:52 extra, extra, read all about it, o2metadoc is at http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 22 20:45:58 ajay_, that work for you? Feb 22 20:46:12 if you were to make one, i'll glady try it on my pre Feb 22 20:46:41 infobot, tell ajay_ about o2metadoc Feb 22 20:46:53 ajay_, he should /msg people the info if you do it like that Feb 22 20:46:55 my doctor is 187MB Feb 22 20:46:58 i got one but i think it's somewhat illegal to distribute such Feb 22 20:47:08 ajay_: On the FrankenPre2 Feb 22 20:47:08 hm 17 apps on my pre- and still no too many cards... whereas it gets quite slow Feb 22 20:47:42 cryptk: umm... it's ok.. i was just thinking that it'd be cool to keep the topic current with what's hot. that'll encourage reading of the topic as well Feb 22 20:47:56 bsm: congrats! Feb 22 20:47:58 sadly, everythign in the topic is pretty much required Feb 22 20:48:10 hence why we like to leverage the use of infobot factoids Feb 22 20:48:14 cryptk: you think adding to the topic would make it too long? Feb 22 20:48:23 yeah, it is like 3 chars shy of the limit Feb 22 20:48:28 lol Feb 22 20:48:29 ah, and it crashed :D Feb 22 20:48:37 * Josef_B is testing his metadoctor Feb 22 20:49:31 so Feb 22 20:49:37 whatatever comes out for our device Feb 22 20:49:42 we can metadoctor it ? Feb 22 20:49:46 cryptk: oh.. :*( well I could give you 4 characters by removing www. but after that.. maybe registering woi.org :) Feb 22 20:50:27 ajay_, we run on donations, lol... everything costs money (especially server maintenance) Feb 22 20:50:58 hard luna shutdown Feb 22 20:50:59 and what does tacts.linker.js do? its taking some CPU and memory Feb 22 20:53:19 cryptk: ? i'm not sure i follow (do you mean work for new domains? i was only half-serious in that) Feb 22 20:53:25 are there any patches for webos 2.x at all ?? Feb 22 20:53:35 SimpsonCH: there are quite a lot Feb 22 20:53:43 >100? Feb 22 20:53:51 yeah waiting for the 2.1 patches will be fun.. ;^) Feb 22 20:54:00 SimpsonCH: the repository is currently non existant Feb 22 20:54:02 I was just mentioning that registering domains isn't free ;) Feb 22 20:54:08 bsm, ?? Feb 22 20:54:24 cryptk: registering domains really costs nothing :D Feb 22 20:54:31 I know it is cheap Feb 22 20:54:45 Hi there! Feb 22 20:55:03 I have a question. I've been trying to install some patches, but every time I do I get this error: Feb 22 20:55:03 Feb 22 20:55:03 Unable to contact webOS-Internal's Servers. Feb 22 20:55:03 Cannot download AUPT scripts for the patch Feb 22 20:55:17 any Verizon folks do the meta 2.1 yet? Feb 22 20:55:52 ajay_, I will tomorrow or thursday Feb 22 20:55:54 Tema1978, what device, what WebOS version, what preware version? Feb 22 20:56:18 and did your preware work before and this is a new thing? or has it not worked since you installed? Feb 22 20:56:21 Palm Pre 2 US, 2.0.1, QOSQI 4.03 Feb 22 20:56:36 webOS Quick Install 4.03 Feb 22 20:56:44 bsm, what do you mean with that ? Feb 22 20:56:44 Preware version? Feb 22 20:56:52 Quick Install is not preware Feb 22 20:56:58 (nor is it made by us) Feb 22 20:57:15 Preware 1.5.4 Feb 22 20:57:30 are you getting that error in Preware or in QI? Feb 22 20:57:35 QI Feb 22 20:57:45 then install the patches via Preware? :p Feb 22 20:57:49 you are gonna have to talk to Jason Robitaille about that then Feb 22 20:57:54 That patch is not available in Preware feeds Feb 22 20:58:12 yeah, sorry man, I can't help ya much, none of us know how QI works Feb 22 20:58:19 * ajay_ is super-excited! Feb 22 20:58:20 since we don't make it Feb 22 20:58:24 :( Feb 22 20:58:29 get ahold of Jason on the P|C forums Feb 22 20:58:48 Thanx . I will try Feb 22 20:58:58 I would help ya if I could man Feb 22 20:59:36 hola rwhitby ! Feb 22 21:00:24 hey rwhitby =) Feb 22 21:00:51 hm the compcache settings go crazy with the default palm kernel... its showing 10240 mb memlimit and enabled :D Feb 22 21:00:54 PMed him Feb 22 21:02:40 rwhitby's a gangsta! Feb 22 21:03:51 * ajay_ says damn, it's def more steps to be in BlackBerry's dev program than Palm! no wonder they have less leaks Feb 22 21:05:03 wow Feb 22 21:05:03 2.1 is screamin Feb 22 21:05:37 wow Feb 22 21:05:45 my palm profil seems to be corrected Feb 22 21:05:46 by server Feb 22 21:05:54 yup, same here Feb 22 21:05:59 and I see all apps! Feb 22 21:06:21 sebastianha: pre+ or -? Feb 22 21:06:40 im on pre + Feb 22 21:06:55 wow, what was that?^^ Feb 22 21:07:14 just a netsplit Feb 22 21:07:20 i didn't think that was that small of a split.. ;^) Feb 22 21:07:28 sebastianha: pre+ or -? Feb 22 21:07:34 ice8lue: good call, haha.. ;^) Feb 22 21:07:40 <13WAA66IX> damn Feb 22 21:08:02 ^^ Feb 22 21:08:06 RagingMind: try again -- http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_SDK_Versions Feb 22 21:08:12 some kind of weirdness with the wiki Feb 22 21:08:37 ice8lue: pre- Feb 22 21:09:02 O.O really? and your ex 1.4.5 profile works now? Feb 22 21:09:09 MetaView: may I ask about ubercalendar for WOS2? Feb 22 21:09:10 no, was a new profile Feb 22 21:09:15 but it was 9.9.9 before Feb 22 21:09:16 bsm. yes Feb 22 21:09:20 and I did not see all apps Feb 22 21:09:22 now I do Feb 22 21:09:33 hmm.... Feb 22 21:09:40 no think i will wait till tomorrow Feb 22 21:09:53 bsm: will probably be come now based on this doctor version Feb 22 21:09:54 me too with my main profile :) Feb 22 21:10:05 MetaView: yeah :) I'm already missing it Feb 22 21:10:19 if I get the backup done, I want to try it with my main profile... Feb 22 21:10:34 bsm: need to speak with frantid Feb 22 21:10:35 voice dialing is pretty impressive Feb 22 21:10:35 its said that you can't convert back Feb 22 21:10:40 even in german :) Feb 22 21:10:47 well, that#s not a problem Feb 22 21:10:59 and flash is gone? Feb 22 21:11:03 that's a pity Feb 22 21:11:11 is there a list of 2.x patches somewhere ? Feb 22 21:11:13 it was lame as hell MetaView^ Feb 22 21:11:18 the pre1 is too slow for flash Feb 22 21:11:21 I tried it Feb 22 21:11:22 ya Feb 22 21:11:32 ice8lue: nope, it was nice to view videos inside the webpage Feb 22 21:11:40 nothing else I want it to do Feb 22 21:11:52 I don't care about flash games.... I have Asphalt5 ;) Feb 22 21:12:08 i wonder if flash was the big holdup to 2.x then Feb 22 21:12:13 man this thing is screamin Feb 22 21:12:15 :D Feb 22 21:12:22 * ajay2 wonders if he'll hear anything from palm on this anytime soon.. Feb 22 21:12:31 Josef_B: It's partially fast because you don't have any apps loaded, fyi Feb 22 21:12:38 lol Feb 22 21:12:38 true Feb 22 21:12:59 why should webos get slower with more apps? Feb 22 21:13:04 MetaView did we try the same flash?^^ mine crashed a lot and was slow as hell on some simple flash videos Feb 22 21:13:06 bsm: that's what i've been wondering Feb 22 21:13:26 more contacts, more mails, more calendar, ok, its getting slower. but more apps? Feb 22 21:13:27 ice8lue: I just browsed some websites and it worked fine, Pre Plus Feb 22 21:13:43 ah ok, maybe because of the plus of ram Feb 22 21:13:51 maybe Feb 22 21:13:54 is the ubercalendar author around here ? Feb 22 21:13:56 bsm: It's been documented that startup time is affected by app count too Feb 22 21:13:56 where can i download flash? Feb 22 21:14:00 I have no experience with it on a Pre - Feb 22 21:14:06 bsm: many apps have background processes and I/O associated with them beyond what you are seeing on your screen Feb 22 21:14:06 SimpsonCH: above you I guess Feb 22 21:14:09 metaview is the developer ;) Feb 22 21:14:22 ah ;) Feb 22 21:14:29 actually Josef_B may feel gui performance is faster because it's hardware accelerated now Feb 22 21:14:33 wgreenhouse: well, i guess ps -e shows them Feb 22 21:14:34 no, I'm the starter, frantid is nowadays the dev ;) Feb 22 21:14:40 I think the GUI is noticeably faster Feb 22 21:14:40 * SimpsonCH was looking in the participant list Feb 22 21:14:50 definitely the launcher is faster Feb 22 21:14:55 I think its hardware accelerated Feb 22 21:15:26 MetaView, so you have no idea about 2.x support ? Feb 22 21:15:28 "it falls faster on the floor now, it's HW accelerated" Feb 22 21:15:41 MetaView: oh no! mine falls fast enough already.. ;^) Feb 22 21:15:49 lololol Feb 22 21:15:51 SimpsonCH: there is support, but only for the version available to me and frantid Feb 22 21:16:08 MetaView, need another tester ? :) Feb 22 21:16:12 something which will change in a couple of days, I'm sure Feb 22 21:16:24 SimpsonCH: you don't have this version Feb 22 21:16:49 the pre plus is really lame in recovery mode Feb 22 21:16:54 MetaView, I was actualy asking for that version ;) Feb 22 21:17:01 I guess, if frantid get the new doctor on it's phone, a new UC is only some hours away Feb 22 21:17:13 SimpsonCH: I speak about the version of WebOS Feb 22 21:17:30 good night everyone Feb 22 21:17:46 MetaView, which version then ? Feb 22 21:19:25 are the vodafone and o2 doctor pretty much the same? Feb 22 21:19:34 * ajay2 's pixi+ (Vz) just came.. what strange timing! Feb 22 21:22:22 ajay2: seem to be the same according to wiki links Feb 22 21:24:17 yep, it's the same Feb 22 21:24:30 no branding or sth else Feb 22 21:25:35 both are the "world ready" carrier Feb 22 21:25:39 huh Feb 22 21:25:52 for rest-of-world devices Feb 22 21:26:14 I'm not the rest of world... Feb 22 21:27:35 basically all of Europe uses the world ready versions afaik Feb 22 21:27:43 yes Feb 22 21:27:53 me too Feb 22 21:28:00 any news? Feb 22 21:28:02 rest of world only sounds very.. hm... Feb 22 21:28:17 how are the palm profiles doing Feb 22 21:28:54 MetaView: I think what's meant is that pretty much the whole world except US and Japan uses same comm standard, GSM Feb 22 21:29:06 yes, I know :) Feb 22 21:29:25 hmm my linkedin contacts don't work anymore Feb 22 21:29:26 yeah, the carriers have been using that term for a while, I agree it's a bit ... dismissive Feb 22 21:30:10 hmm, if more contacts do slow things down, maybe i shouldn't bring in my LI contacts Feb 22 21:30:20 I think the major CDMA countries are US, Japan, China, and a few Arabian countries Feb 22 21:31:18 there are other major cdma countries?! i'm shocked Feb 22 21:32:28 yes Feb 22 21:34:01 canada? Feb 22 21:34:49 gross Feb 22 21:34:53 does Canada have a CDMA carrier? Feb 22 21:35:12 two iirc that also do gsm at the same time Feb 22 21:35:18 all I know abotu Canadian carriers is that they suck Feb 22 21:38:24 App Catalog is realllllly slow Feb 22 21:38:26 SineOt: at least their pricing. highest in the world Feb 22 21:39:31 yeah, it's like 70 cad for a plan that has 200mb of data on it Feb 22 21:39:40 which is barfo Feb 22 21:49:59 ok guys, im out for today ;) cross your fingers for me today, exams.... cu tomorrow =) Feb 22 21:50:27 good luck! Feb 22 21:53:35 netsplit? Feb 22 21:54:23 rwhitby: why don't you just submit one? :) Feb 22 21:54:51 oops always with the wrong channel :) Feb 22 21:55:18 RagingMind: We (mainly noradtux ) is working to fix Navit for webOS 2. As he can test now ;-) Feb 22 21:55:30 yay! Feb 22 21:55:46 does navit need a change or just a fix in webos? Feb 22 21:56:01 I'll have 20 hours in a car this weekend to play with it :) Feb 22 21:56:27 navit is pdk right? I didn't realize there were pdk changes from 1.4.5->2.x Feb 22 22:00:15 sb tried to install debian chroot on webOs 2.1? Feb 22 22:02:12 Jonny-TX, not sure if anyone has done it or not... but I doubt you will run into issues Feb 22 22:02:14 should work fine Feb 22 22:02:22 next question is... why? Feb 22 22:03:39 for playing ;) Feb 22 22:03:48 only 1 patch in preware?? Feb 22 22:04:50 Exciting day so far. Feb 22 22:06:33 where can you find castle.xml in the meta doctor folder please? Feb 22 22:07:24 gabe2gg, have you done make unpack? Feb 22 22:07:38 no Feb 22 22:07:48 you won't be able to find it then Feb 22 22:07:53 you need to unpack the doctor first Feb 22 22:07:54 ah ok Feb 22 22:08:12 the castle.xml is part of it Feb 22 22:08:23 once you do make unpack, then cd into the build folder and run this Feb 22 22:08:24 find . -name castle.xml Feb 22 22:08:29 that will find it and show you the light Feb 22 22:09:47 does anyone know an easier way of telling preware that I don't in fact have 1.4.5 installed even though I've applied frankenchanges? my only idea is to erase my feeds and re-create them pointing at 2.x versions Feb 22 22:11:03 ok Feb 22 22:11:15 eberon: conjecture, but rewrite the palm-build-info in /etc on device? Feb 22 22:11:49 SineOt: don't know why I didn't think of trying that first! Feb 22 22:11:50 don't know if that affects the profile info though Feb 22 22:12:06 well it's ok because I'm logged in using a junk profile anyway Feb 22 22:12:32 kind of interesting to rebuild a phone trying to use only free apps for different things :) Feb 22 22:12:50 of course, I don't know what the proper info to plug into palm-build-info would be! Feb 22 22:13:13 here is my dilema .. i doctord o2 webos 2.1 to my pre + on att i turned off bypass server actiation install preware all the good stuff .. point is i have a .db3 file and i need to get it over to my 2.1 device now .. how can i do this ? also my palm profile has nothing on it at palm.com/palmprofile .. where do i begin ? Feb 22 22:14:45 RagingMindyes ther is a chnage in PDK, at least for hthe getting of gps data Feb 22 22:14:45 but noradtux was fast as hell to find it. IHe was chatting that fast that I was not able to fiollow his ideas .... Feb 22 22:14:45 But I think he is on the right way to get it fixed Feb 22 22:15:21 anyone got there 1.4.5 .db3 to ther 2.1 device .. if so how and what are workaounds to do it ? Feb 22 22:16:50 if it only does contacts / calendars i don't need it Feb 22 22:16:53 i use google sync Feb 22 22:18:08 hm, I think using the verizon pre2's build-info might be annoying wrt preware.. Feb 22 22:18:37 So the Appcat and preware will look at the same place to find what version you are on, from what i understand? Feb 22 22:18:53 it'd be great to mask appcat as 1.4.5/2.0.1, but preware needs the right version #.. Feb 22 22:19:16 cryptk im sorry to disturb u again but I have the O2 doctor in the downloads folder and when i try to unpack i get this: Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file and then move it to downloads/webosdoctorundefined-.jar Feb 22 22:19:39 just rename it Feb 22 22:19:50 and define something in the make file Feb 22 22:19:52 yep Feb 22 22:19:55 i ran into that also Feb 22 22:20:01 error 2 right gabe2gg ? Feb 22 22:20:04 gabe2gg, you need to read up a bit on how the meta-doc works Feb 22 22:20:13 lemem find you the documentation on it... Feb 22 22:20:37 what do one need the castle.xml forß Feb 22 22:20:40 ? Feb 22 22:20:54 no Josef error 1 Feb 22 22:22:43 * ajay2 dangs.. unison takes a MINUTE! to run on the phone.. Feb 22 22:22:49 gabe2gg, open the metadoctor Makefile in a text editor (I use vi, but anything will work as long as it doesn't bork the line endings) Feb 22 22:23:01 so vi, nano, gedit, anything like that Feb 22 22:23:10 there is a bunch of documentation at the top of it Feb 22 22:23:13 aw Feb 22 22:23:13 Question Feb 22 22:23:13 ok i have no phone on palm.com/palmprofile .. i asee my name there .. how do i add it .. do i just doctor again / and sign up on my pre when i set it up ? Feb 22 22:23:19 cryptk yup i opened it Feb 22 22:23:29 but you need to scroll down to the DEVICE= and CARRIER= lines and set those Feb 22 22:23:33 then run make unpack Feb 22 22:24:06 cryptk: why make unpack first? Feb 22 22:24:21 it will likely yell at you saying something like file webosdoctorp102verizonwireless-2.0.1-.jar etc Feb 22 22:24:23 * MetaView did just a make Feb 22 22:24:27 MetaView, he wants his castle.xml Feb 22 22:24:33 what for? Feb 22 22:24:35 you only need to unpack for that Feb 22 22:24:50 also gabe2gg you can get that file from the Show Props app Feb 22 22:25:02 MetaView, because that is what he is asking for, so I am telling him how to do it Feb 22 22:25:07 im gonna play with my doctor Feb 22 22:25:09 he asked how to get the castle.xml from meta-doc Feb 22 22:27:12 ok, ok, just wonder if i missed something important Feb 22 22:29:59 evening everyone :) Feb 22 22:30:00 thank you cryptk it worked Feb 22 22:30:10 grats! Feb 22 22:30:15 did you find what you needed? Feb 22 22:30:20 yes Feb 22 22:30:31 great man! Feb 22 22:30:59 for future reference, our Show Props app can pull your tokens (and even email them to you) if the tokens are what you are after Feb 22 22:31:12 anyone ava for help ? Feb 22 22:31:20 hay Feb 22 22:32:39 Josef_B, depends on what you need... WebOS help, probably, $20 probably not Feb 22 22:32:56 * halfhalo votes flat rate of 200 an hour Feb 22 22:33:59 what we voting on? Feb 22 22:34:03 is there a way to change govnah speed from CLI? Feb 22 22:34:15 cryptk trying to get a profile onto my pre Feb 22 22:34:17 Hi Thibaud Feb 22 22:34:30 oh hey thibaud! Feb 22 22:34:33 y can't you? Feb 22 22:35:03 Thibaud: I think I was wrong, it doesn't work on either.. ;^) Can I give you a gizmo5 account? Feb 22 22:35:25 Josef_B, is it a profile that previously reported 9.9.9 on palm.com/palmprofile Feb 22 22:35:33 ajay2: maybe if cpufreq-set were installed Feb 22 22:35:37 cryptk there is no device in there Feb 22 22:35:57 Josef_B, what device and webos version are you trying to use the profile on? Feb 22 22:36:12 wgreenhouse: maybe? Feb 22 22:36:23 and where does such cmd come from Feb 22 22:36:45 oh found cpufrequtils Feb 22 22:36:55 ajay2: such command is what it would be on a Linux box with ACPI support and cpufreq-utils installed Feb 22 22:37:00 so it was a wild guess :) Feb 22 22:37:30 i don't want to play with a cmd that nobody has used on their pre :) Feb 22 22:37:55 it's a command from debian Feb 22 22:38:19 wgreenhouse, hows the reviews coming? Feb 22 22:38:48 Thibaud: it's labeling me harry_, but I'm woznotwoz. I just installed the linphone, and attempted a call, but I heard nothing. Feb 22 22:38:48 do you have a number for me to try? Feb 22 22:38:48 or a suggestion? Feb 22 22:39:04 PatrickC_Pixi: I started to write one for Poster last night. tbqh, I haven't had a lot of time--of course, if I am fooling around on IRC, I could probably work on it now Feb 22 22:39:05 wgreenhouse: Yeah and i see its available for install on my pre, but what i'm saying is i don't want to be the guinea pig of this cmd :) Feb 22 22:39:18 weobs 2.1 pre + i made my doctor bypass activation bypass bypass first use app etc .. Feb 22 22:39:18 cryptk did you get that ^^^ Feb 22 22:39:34 lol Feb 22 22:40:01 josef_b if you bypassed activation, then how do you plan ti use a profile? Feb 22 22:40:13 yeah, don't bypass activation Feb 22 22:40:15 PatrickC_Pixi im going to re-compile it Feb 22 22:40:18 how about first app use Feb 22 22:40:20 what is that ? Feb 22 22:40:33 before 2.0 that would let you do it, not the case in 2.0+ Feb 22 22:40:39 it is the app that comes up when you start the phone freash Feb 22 22:40:52 do erase apps and data and sign into a profile Feb 22 22:40:57 it is separated from the profile login stuff in 2.0 Feb 22 22:41:11 yep, a Full Erase may fix you up Feb 22 22:41:14 gesture tutorial is what it was renamed to in 2.1 Feb 22 22:41:43 or you might have to pay the Doctor a visit Feb 22 22:41:49 whats first use app ? Feb 22 22:42:17 nothing in 2.1 Feb 22 22:42:24 it is now the "Gesture Tutorial" Feb 22 22:42:57 it isn't completely renamed Feb 22 22:43:11 the app is titled Gesture Tutorial, but the appid is still firstuse Feb 22 22:43:19 com.palm.app.firstuse 2.0.1 "Gesture Tutorial" Feb 22 22:43:43 but it isn't the same firstuse app as it was before 2.0... it no loger includes the part about signing into a profile Feb 22 22:44:17 ok Feb 22 22:44:17 the gesture tutorial is how I did it on mine Feb 22 22:44:24 cryptk so keep activation that its ? Feb 22 22:44:47 don't bypass activation Feb 22 22:44:53 bb Feb 22 22:45:06 yes, leave the activation in place Feb 22 22:45:08 make a junk email and use it solely for that Feb 22 22:47:12 So...I'm a bit unclear about the app catalog issues with the 2.1 doctor. Supposedly the doctor includes incorrect server configs for the app catalog, but some users are reporting that they are able to use the catalog with the 1.4.5 masquerade method? Feb 22 22:47:46 are talking about using the meta-doctor? Feb 22 22:48:09 ppl reported that the cat issue is fixed now Feb 22 22:48:13 at least in Germany Feb 22 22:48:29 Yap. Fixed in germany, switzerland Feb 22 22:48:31 hay metaview Feb 22 22:48:37 ok Feb 22 22:48:40 * Josef_B re-doctors pre Feb 22 22:48:49 have fun josef Feb 22 22:48:51 hi PatrickC_Pixi Feb 22 22:48:57 MetaView: Fixed with a new doctor, or server side? Feb 22 22:49:00 hows it goin? Feb 22 22:49:01 cryptk does it hurt that i alread have a name on palm.com/palmpofile .. will it let me sign up on it on my pre ? Feb 22 22:49:13 idontwan2know: fixed on it's own (or by Palm) Feb 22 22:49:20 if you are using an existing profile, choose to sign into the profile Feb 22 22:49:22 gotcha, thanks Feb 22 22:49:31 gn8 Feb 22 22:49:31 josef_b if it is a 1.4.5 profile, I don't think so Feb 22 22:49:32 if you don't, or want to make a new one, then choose to create a new one Feb 22 22:49:33 what is first use app btw Feb 22 22:49:39 I wouldn't just for safety Feb 22 22:49:41 it is the gesture tutorial Feb 22 22:49:43 on 2.0 Feb 22 22:50:05 26%... Feb 22 22:50:13 and the app that runs at the *very* beginning of startup of a webOS phone Feb 22 22:50:34 what you doing metaview? Feb 22 22:50:47 tomorrow I will be tired, have no time for work - or the other way around, I will have a lot of time for work, as my phone is bricked... Feb 22 22:50:48 Keep in mind that once you use a profile on 2.x you can't use it on 1.4.5, so it's not wise to use your existing 1.4.5 profile until this whole issue has been thoroughly tested. Feb 22 22:51:05 ok Feb 22 22:51:07 * MetaView runs the meta-doctored doctor on its Pre- Feb 22 22:51:15 gl MetaView :D Feb 22 22:51:43 josef, make a junk email and use it for the 2.1 doctored device Feb 22 22:51:49 for safety Feb 22 22:51:55 k Feb 22 22:52:12 PatrickC_Pixi there is nothing i need backed up anyway .. im bascially gonna start fresh on webos 2 Feb 22 22:52:14 0_o Feb 22 22:52:20 like mine is patrickwebostest@gmail.com Feb 22 22:52:35 nice Feb 22 22:52:37 :D Feb 22 22:52:44 yep Feb 22 22:53:07 and that is my test profile, and my production profile is my Pixi 1.4.5 profile Feb 22 22:53:23 who want's to go back to 1.4.5? Feb 22 22:53:47 if it doesn't work correctly, I rather buy a Pre2, maybe Feb 22 22:53:53 well, 2.0/2.1 isn't Pixi ready :/ Feb 22 22:54:01 well, right Feb 22 22:54:28 so, I have it on my pre+, but don't want to use my production profile with it Feb 22 22:54:43 ok, understandable Feb 22 22:54:43 I don't wanna go back Feb 22 22:54:52 I want it on my Pixi at any cost :p Feb 22 22:54:55 I love 2.1!!! Feb 22 22:55:16 ... still waiting for 2.1.0 for my pre2 ... Feb 22 22:55:18 ajay2: hi, sorry, have just been granted 2.x access (thank you Chuq) and was reading the EAP forums... So deaf for a little time Feb 22 22:55:39 EAP FTW!!! Feb 22 22:55:57 Thibaud: np :) would that help then? Feb 22 22:55:58 * Thibaud beg your pardon? ;) Feb 22 22:56:16 * PatrickC_Pixi is always in need of more writers :) Feb 22 22:56:31 ajay2: yes, gizmo account would really help since there obviously is an issue there Feb 22 22:56:53 EAP FTW! :P Feb 22 22:57:34 * PatrickC_Pixi is also missing flash Feb 22 22:57:57 Thibaud: cool! Feb 22 22:58:03 josef, you are eap? Feb 22 22:58:41 Am I correct in thinking that if you're using 2.1 on a carrier that has not released it, you can either choose to have access to 2.x apps in the catalog, or 1.4.5 depending on which way you set up the masquerade? But you can't have both? Feb 22 22:58:43 Thibaud: only thing is the gizmo account i gave you will not call physical phones, unlike mine Feb 22 22:59:31 idontwan2know, you are incorrect, you need to masquerade as 1.4.5 to get any access to app cat, if you report your version as 2.X then your profile gets a 9.9.9 version and you lose all app cat access Feb 22 22:59:35 ajay2: np, i'll be doing sip 2 sip (everyone sleeping at home, don't wanna wake up everyone anyhow) Feb 22 23:00:30 cryptk: thanks! that's makes the choice simple Feb 22 23:00:38 yep ;) Feb 22 23:00:57 it is either something or nothing right now... we haven't worked out how to get the 'everything' Feb 22 23:01:10 but according to Adora, there is only one app at the moment that is 2.0 only Feb 22 23:01:33 cryptk: correct Feb 22 23:01:43 Voice Memos Feb 22 23:01:47 yep Feb 22 23:01:47 right? Feb 22 23:01:47 "Make me rich 2.0" ? Feb 22 23:01:48 ich Feb 22 23:02:00 btw - I'm willing to help write instructions once all this has been sorted out...it seems like there are going to need to be different instructions for a lot of different combinations of carriers/devices Feb 22 23:02:03 and I have confirmed that you cannot purchase/install it on a sprintified Pre2 Feb 22 23:02:03 I'm working on getting the metadata update for MPR out, if I could just quit getting so many damn highlights Feb 22 23:02:10 but all 1.4.5 apps work great Feb 22 23:02:14 * Adora grins and wobbles cryptk Feb 22 23:02:36 Ah, the curse of being popular Feb 22 23:02:37 :P Feb 22 23:02:49 webos-internals should release a 2.x app! that'd be perfect :) Feb 22 23:02:49 Adora, having the profile server not do the carrier version matching (resultin in the 9.9.9) would be great Feb 22 23:03:07 ajay2, we will only do that if the app ONLY works on 2.0 Feb 22 23:03:37 cryptk: it can just be called "Test app from WOI to see if you can buy apps on 2.0" Feb 22 23:04:00 cryptk: the subline can be "What's the greatest nation in the world?" Feb 22 23:04:05 ajay2, I already tested it Feb 22 23:04:09 with Voice Memos Feb 22 23:04:28 Voice Memos is 2.0 only... I cannot purchase/install it on my masqueraded Pre2 Feb 22 23:04:34 Voice Memo's rocks Feb 22 23:04:37 even with the palm-build-info fix Feb 22 23:04:44 cryptk:I mean, that's fine and all, but why not offer people a testing possibility which allows then to donate to WOI.. a lot of people would be interested in that Feb 22 23:04:50 stupid me, I skip the activation... Feb 22 23:05:00 Koto player isn't 2.0 only? Feb 22 23:05:01 ~o2metadoc Feb 22 23:05:02 i heard o2metadoc is at http://bit.ly/webos-210-meta-doctor Feb 22 23:05:25 Loudergood, my info came straight from the source... Feb 22 23:05:37 Koto is 2.0 only Feb 22 23:05:57 loudergood: it is, but the app catalog still thinks the minimum version is 1.4.5 Feb 22 23:06:07 he'll need to submit a metadata update to change the min version to 2.0 Feb 22 23:06:09 Tib's having trouble submitting the update for it Feb 22 23:06:10 which we're working on Feb 22 23:06:23 I was going to say.. Feb 22 23:06:30 he could make a meta update and doing the full update later Feb 22 23:06:44 yep, I was speaking in terms of "what has been approved and is available in the app cat" Feb 22 23:06:49 only Adora knows about what is pending Feb 22 23:06:55 (and her minions) Feb 22 23:07:21 I can see the fuuuuuuucha Feb 22 23:07:35 * PatrickC_Pixi cryptk is a minion Feb 22 23:07:58 * PatrickC_Pixi so is oil Feb 22 23:08:02 i think it's spelled fuschia.. ;^) Feb 22 23:08:11 lol Feb 22 23:08:14 lulz Feb 22 23:08:30 lulz? :) Feb 22 23:08:47 hi halfhalo Feb 22 23:08:51 * idontwan2know can't see the fuschia...he is colorblind Feb 22 23:09:33 hi SineOt, you are missing all the fun :) Feb 22 23:09:45 he hasn't been gone that long :) Feb 22 23:09:46 For some reason I doubt that! :Q Feb 22 23:10:06 the meta-doctor needs a make clean Feb 22 23:10:06 well, he has been gone since I have been here Feb 22 23:10:58 hows 2.1 coming along guys Feb 22 23:11:01 PatrickC_Pixi, last I checked... I work for Rackspace... not Palm, lol Feb 22 23:11:18 well... you never know :) Feb 22 23:11:20 unless that has changed in the last day or two... someone let me know if I need to move please Feb 22 23:11:36 adora didn't tell you? :) Feb 22 23:11:39 haha Feb 22 23:11:54 you are Chuq's right hand man Feb 22 23:11:58 yes cryptk, you need to move to SF and drive a hybrid foreva Feb 22 23:11:59 we've all be hired, all 127 of us Feb 22 23:12:00 I need a coffee fetcher Feb 22 23:12:06 and a foot rubber Feb 22 23:12:08 Adora: dibs Feb 22 23:12:10 and a chocolate feeder Feb 22 23:12:25 as long as I get some of the chocolate too :T Feb 22 23:12:30 deal =] Feb 22 23:12:32 well, sine took all those jobs Feb 22 23:12:41 can I be *Top Secret Keeper*? Feb 22 23:12:48 so say... Feb 22 23:12:53 Adora: dark, milk, or white? THIS IS IMPORTANT Feb 22 23:12:57 Adora, is this a paid position? Feb 22 23:12:59 if i were to get 2.1 running on my pixi, would it boot? Feb 22 23:13:08 no, dumbledore_ Feb 22 23:13:14 lul Feb 22 23:13:14 SineOt: all of the above Feb 22 23:13:17 dumbledore_: if it were running, it would have to boot Feb 22 23:13:23 lol Feb 22 23:13:25 95% dark :9 Feb 22 23:13:38 nice SineOt on pre - or + ? Feb 22 23:13:46 pixi is beginning to look like a bad idea from palm... Feb 22 23:13:50 Josef_B: huh? Feb 22 23:13:55 oh Feb 22 23:14:04 95% dark chocolate, lol Feb 22 23:14:06 SineOt you said 95% i thought you where running your doctor lol Feb 22 23:14:12 dumbledore_: whaddya talkin about, I just got it in the mail today! Feb 22 23:14:23 nah man I'm just dreaming about some damn fine chocolate right now Feb 22 23:14:24 lol i mean its a kickass phone Feb 22 23:14:34 dumbledore_ it would be amazing if you could get the pixi 2.1 Feb 22 23:14:45 i mean im the kind of guy who loves ricing out his stuff to the max Feb 22 23:15:21 heck, i even put 2x 2000 watt subs, and 15" chrome rims in a shitty '92 camry Feb 22 23:15:24 Pixi was a budget smartphone even when it was released...can't expect it to keep pace for long Feb 22 23:15:48 (no offense ment for anyone who owns a camry) :3 Feb 22 23:16:11 I should sleep ... anyone from you can do that for me? Feb 22 23:16:27 oneRock_: would you do the doctoring for me? Feb 22 23:16:34 yap :D Feb 22 23:17:18 I'm afraid of missing something - Life moves fast and so ... Feb 22 23:18:14 dumbledor_: yes, you can put a new stereo and rims on your 92 camry, but you can't make it into a BMW, which is what putting 2.x on it would be trying to do Feb 22 23:18:49 yeah i know :3 Feb 22 23:18:50 idontwan2know: pppht Feb 22 23:18:52 thats the sad part Feb 22 23:19:07 he could put some sticker on it, to make it look like Feb 22 23:19:13 lol Feb 22 23:19:20 say i got it custom made Feb 22 23:19:35 * ajay2 finds that metaphor unrelated Feb 22 23:20:13 MetaView: If I do a meta update now, and the full update later to Koto Player the current update will get removed (afaik)... I want to keep it Feb 22 23:20:37 bbl Feb 22 23:20:42 Hm: has anyone who's used Metadoctor used files out of Homebrew instead of MacPorts? c_c Feb 22 23:21:52 wow Feb 22 23:22:07 gmail makes you verify by sending a text to your phone or gtalk to open a gmail account Feb 22 23:22:08 pfft Feb 22 23:22:18 i been using gmail since beta where you had to invite people Feb 22 23:22:18 SineOt: should work fine Feb 22 23:22:19 hehe Feb 22 23:22:23 anyone have any memorys ? Feb 22 23:22:24 :D Feb 22 23:22:49 i remember inviting my friend to gmail when they started using it Feb 22 23:25:16 rwhitby you around ? 9.9.9 is still expected correct ? Feb 22 23:25:28 rwhitby: seems so, only difference I've run into so far is that gnutar is under gnu-tar in Homebrew Feb 22 23:25:54 Josef_B: since you have given me zero context, I cannot give you an answer to that question. Feb 22 23:26:09 oh Feb 22 23:26:19 you can masq 2.1 as 1.4.5 and it shows up correctly in the palm profile (no 9.9.9), but im still unable to restore a profile with paid apps Feb 22 23:26:29 i get this in /var/logs/messages Feb 22 23:26:31 com.palm.app.firstuse: Why did getDevices fail? {"errorText":"Request to 'https://brm.palmws.com/backupmeta/rpc/log?email=MYEMAIL%40gmail.com&deviceId=MEID%3AA1000008D8D205&token=6A3472C67682A987A6C54E45A7420921D' failed","errorCode":500,"exception" Feb 22 23:26:40 Leathal hwo do i masqarade ? Feb 22 23:26:46 dont bother yet Feb 22 23:26:51 oh Feb 22 23:26:57 i don't have anything in my palm profile Leathal Feb 22 23:27:06 Leathal: but if you masq as 1.4.5, preware will get confused too, right? Feb 22 23:27:34 ajay2: yeah but i can deal with that. not having my paid apps is a different story haha Feb 22 23:27:54 i don't have paid apps Feb 22 23:28:04 i wonder if you could un-masquerade after.. Feb 22 23:28:12 (w/o problems) Feb 22 23:28:21 82% now, i'm having butterflies in my stomach! :) Feb 22 23:28:48 josef: i'd link you to some info on the precentral forums but they're running incredibly slow right now for me Feb 22 23:29:37 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-10.html#post2881090 Feb 22 23:29:38 ajay2: we've tested restoring palm-build-info and that fixes apps Feb 22 23:30:10 Leathal: put back the correct 2.1.0 palm-build-info to get everything except 2.x-only apps working Feb 22 23:30:23 rwhitby: ok Feb 22 23:30:44 wait that will let me log in to a 1.4.5 profile with paid apps? Feb 22 23:31:07 rwhitby: all that is needed is a change of that file in /etc, no doctoring needed? maybe a reboot or luna restart tho/ Feb 22 23:31:38 hmm, got "2011-02-23 00.27.45 [0x0-0x262262].com.apple.JarLauncher[72335] err -1 "Base ROM Failed Verification" Feb 22 23:31:50 thats fine, it fails the md5 hash Feb 22 23:32:05 manually restart as long as it got beyond ~82% or thereabouts Feb 22 23:32:37 it was at 82% last i checked Feb 22 23:32:42 err Feb 22 23:32:46 i will jsut create a new email Feb 22 23:34:06 rwhitby: put back the 2.1 palm-build-info into the metadoctor or change it over novacom while first-use is running? Feb 22 23:35:07 because i tried a metadoc with the 2.1 p-b-i earlier and still no luck logging in to my main profile Feb 22 23:36:04 and just to be certain i rolled back to 1.4.5 and was able to access that profile with zero problems :-/ Feb 22 23:36:41 rwhitby eventually will there be something that takes out the 9.9.9 off the palm profile server ? .. also even if it does say 9.9.9 we still can back to it via the pre backup option correct ? Feb 22 23:37:45 wow stuck on gmail auto locate Feb 22 23:37:51 s/gmail/google Feb 22 23:39:22 Leathal: replace the file. don't doctor again Feb 22 23:39:43 rwhitby: will do, thanks Feb 22 23:39:50 replace it on the running device *after* logging into the profile. then reboot. Feb 22 23:42:00 oh well see my problem is that i cant log in to the profile Feb 22 23:42:16 Leathal you still on activating screen on pre ? Feb 22 23:42:44 Nah I'm using a secondary profile that has no paid apps Feb 22 23:43:59 rwhitby: what about doctoring back to 1.4.5, logging in with my profile, changing palm-build-info to 2.1, manually doing a backup, and then metadoctoring back to 2.1? or is that just madness :D Feb 22 23:44:42 because im stuck at Go right now without being able to even get my profile working at all in 2.1 Feb 22 23:45:26 and from the logs and ls-monitor it seems the sticking point is the response from palm's backup server Feb 22 23:45:44 yeah, I suspect backups are going to be an issue. Feb 22 23:46:09 wait...isn't there a way to delete your backups? Feb 22 23:46:11 rwhitby: okay, one killer for homebrew: no gpatch! Feb 22 23:46:15 *runs to google* Feb 22 23:46:23 gpatch? Feb 22 23:46:53 Leathal my phone got stuck at the google / auto locate during setup .. im re-doctring right now Feb 22 23:47:58 bye Feb 22 23:48:51 seems my profile doesn't work too Feb 22 23:50:16 * ajay2 dohs, forgot to see if my updated BootLogo took! Feb 22 23:50:27 metaview: check /var/logs/messages and see if the backup server is throwing back errors during firstuse Feb 22 23:50:34 that's what i'm getting Feb 22 23:50:50 about to doctor back to 1.4.5, delete all backups from palm's servers, and try again Feb 22 23:51:36 so let me get this straight, metadoctor with build-info from 1.4.5, then replace the build-info after login Feb 22 23:51:43 will check, when I get access Feb 22 23:52:16 anybody have experience with going 1.4.5<->2.1.0? pastorrich told me that the whole "you can't go back" isn't true.. Feb 22 23:52:30 ajay2 i haven't Feb 22 23:52:35 i've gone between the two several times today haha Feb 22 23:52:53 wow Feb 22 23:53:04 im jaced .. i did the whole .db3 thing and that didn't work Feb 22 23:54:06 Leathal: yeah? and all looks good even when back to 1.4.5?? hmm.. Feb 22 23:54:21 yep, no problems Feb 22 23:54:23 what's the newest version of linphone? Feb 22 23:54:35 im about to roll back to 1.4.5 in a minute again to test this backup theory of mine Feb 22 23:54:40 Leathal: but your profile wasn't working in 2.1 Feb 22 23:54:48 I guess this could make a difference Feb 22 23:55:56 for all intents and purposes, no it wasn't working in 2.1 Feb 22 23:56:21 ups, my internal volume still exist Feb 22 23:56:23 +s Feb 22 23:58:33 leathal do text messages work for you? Feb 22 23:58:47 damn why didn't that boot logo take.. hmm.. Feb 22 23:59:37 ajay2: 0.1.6 Feb 23 00:00:03 Thibaud: cool.. installing via preware.. not showing up yet, hmm. Feb 23 00:00:36 Thibaud: weird, the directory is empty! (in /media/crypto...) Feb 23 00:00:37 ajay2: if not already 0.1.6, you shall remove the previous app, then install 0.1.6. Do you remember the dl link? Feb 23 00:03:12 josef_b did you ever get it to work? Feb 23 00:03:28 Thibaud: yeah doing it.. installing from preware via http:// didn't work, but local file did.. this is a fresh att 2.1.0 pre+ :) Feb 23 00:03:34 gabe2gg: yeah txts, phone calls, data access all work fine ever since i put the updated cdma firmware into my metadoctor Feb 23 00:04:02 anyone here running a Pre- with 2.1? Feb 23 00:04:24 Josef_B nop .. im going to doctor it again .. for some reason i can't by pass the auto locate thing for google Feb 23 00:04:27 it freezes my device Feb 23 00:04:30 ajay2: may I suggest you try on a *stable* config so we care about Gizmo5 *only* ;) Feb 23 00:04:53 Thibaud: haha.. :) Feb 23 00:05:03 josef_b: recovery mode? Feb 23 00:05:18 PatrickC_Pixi doctor it from recovery ? Feb 23 00:05:26 yep Feb 23 00:05:28 k Feb 23 00:05:31 let me try that Feb 23 00:05:49 I always go into recovery to doctor Feb 23 00:05:54 Thibaud: that's more difficult, but ok :) Feb 23 00:06:12 k Feb 23 00:06:13 weird, the 2.1 pre+ doesn't even reg. huh Feb 23 00:06:36 I want a 2.1 Pixi- or Pre- Feb 23 00:06:40 ajay2 DEOENDS ON YOUR DOCTOR Feb 23 00:06:43 ajay2: we can just give it a try once on 2.1, but if it fails, 1.4.5 will sound easier to debug Feb 23 00:06:43 OOPS Feb 23 00:06:54 sorry .. doing this 1 hand Feb 23 00:07:14 * Thibaud doesn't want to know where the other hand is... Feb 23 00:07:16 hm, I restored the ssh key, and chmod 600 but still the server refuses the key Feb 23 00:08:21 josef, are you in recovery? Feb 23 00:08:25 metaview: palm's backup server? Feb 23 00:08:41 Josef_B: i think we're talking about different things :) Feb 23 00:08:51 brb Feb 23 00:08:55 ajay2 you said profile won't activate right ? Feb 23 00:09:24 Leathal: no drobbear Feb 23 00:09:25 PatrickC_Pixi im doing it via recovery Feb 23 00:09:32 oh haha Feb 23 00:09:48 meaning you went into recovery mode? right Feb 23 00:09:52 yes Feb 23 00:09:55 volume up Feb 23 00:10:11 correct Feb 23 00:10:55 right now i see my palm.com/palmprofile as os version 9.9.9 .. im not going to worry about it becase i jacked up my 1.4.5 profile .. all i have is my .db3 Feb 23 00:11:32 you jacked up ur 1.4.5 profile?! Feb 23 00:11:38 not Feb 23 00:11:45 ok good Feb 23 00:11:52 well prob .. in precenteral forums i tells you to backup your .db3 file Feb 23 00:12:16 i put .db3 back onto webos 2.1 and no work .. i was told that they have diff databases Feb 23 00:12:19 how? lol Feb 23 00:12:40 are you using a meta doctor? Feb 23 00:12:43 i put it in via wsqi recovery via the send command Feb 23 00:12:57 PatrickC_Pixi i am now Feb 23 00:13:11 Josef_B: I tod you :D Feb 23 00:13:11 ok ppl Feb 23 00:13:17 s/tod/told/ Feb 23 00:13:18 NuttyBunny meant: Josef_B: I told you :D Feb 23 00:13:25 give me the updated status on palm profiles on 2.1 Feb 23 00:13:36 I better be impressed Feb 23 00:13:54 ingedud_goth: first, give us your pants Feb 23 00:14:24 * ingedud_goth gives away his pants Feb 23 00:14:27 NuttyBunny not worried about palm profile .. just trying to get phone on .. it was stuck at the google auto locate .. Feb 23 00:15:07 if worst comes to worst, just go back to 1.4.5 Feb 23 00:15:19 only fags go back to 1.4.5 Feb 23 00:15:47 well, if he can't get 2.1 working..... Feb 23 00:15:54 lol ingedud_goth Feb 23 00:16:30 what's the current status on sprint pre -'s. I'm attempting to read the entire thread and do homework at the same time lol Feb 23 00:16:46 lol Feb 23 00:17:03 I'm always reading palm stuff and doing homework Feb 23 00:17:18 more palm stuff then homework... but.... lol Feb 23 00:17:22 xD Feb 23 00:17:48 I wish I could do more palm stuff but I got math due tomorrow and lit by midnight Feb 23 00:19:31 Josef_B: no Feb 23 00:19:32 well there we go~ 28% on the 2.1 flash for my developer Pre+ Feb 23 00:21:03 how did ingedud not get kicked? Feb 23 00:21:45 Thibaud: i don't know what's going on right now, but I get REG_PENDING on both devices, and 0.1.[46] on 1.4.5.. i think it's a sign i just need to eat lunch ;^) Feb 23 00:21:52 there was kicking or lack of? yipe Feb 23 00:22:10 Thibaud: so i guess if you're sleeping, i'll play more and hit ya back another day Feb 23 00:22:55 ajay2: i'm still logged, let me log out and you retry in 15s Feb 23 00:23:33 Thibaud: I'm using a different account Feb 23 00:23:56 ajay2: weird then Feb 23 00:24:28 Thibaud: yeah i know.. it logged in the first time i tried (from the 2.1) but that wouldn't even make calls, now i can do nothing. odd.. more another day! Feb 23 00:24:39 see yaz! Feb 23 00:24:50 ajay2: guess you hit the 2.x issue then. Feb 23 00:25:14 Thibaud: maybe, but the 2.x device is powered off, so that wouldn't explain why the 1.4.5 device can't login Feb 23 00:25:29 anywho Feb 23 00:25:30 ajay2: so you're 1.4.5 right now? Feb 23 00:32:22 can some1 make a script for making a metadoctor for sprint pre? Feb 23 00:35:28 farts, forgot I don't have an active ATT SIM :/ Feb 23 00:35:42 gabe2gg: when all the issues are sorted out, I'm sure someone will...more testing is required. Feb 23 00:35:43 skipping activation on the 2.1 doctor: can you log into a profile? Feb 23 00:36:36 i couldn't SineOt if we are talking about the same thing .. i skipped activation and first use app .. and i went straight to home screen on pre .. after that i couldn't get on palm profile .. i had to renable all the skip activation and user first app and re-compile doctor Feb 23 00:37:14 hm. You're using a GSM device, or a CDMA one? Feb 23 00:37:20 gsm Feb 23 00:37:24 you on cdma SineOt ? Feb 23 00:37:29 but you've got a live SIM? Feb 23 00:37:34 yes SineOt Feb 23 00:37:53 nah, GSM, but I've got an unactivated (eg, it's not on contract etc) ATT SIM in it Feb 23 00:37:59 sticks at an "Activate SIM" screen Feb 23 00:38:45 tried skipping with #*DEVMODE# but... then it just sticks at the dev mode toggle screen Feb 23 00:39:26 dunno sorry Feb 23 00:41:14 wow it really died down from this morning Feb 23 00:41:15 :D Feb 23 00:41:20 still 124 users :D Feb 23 00:44:21 Leathal: ping Feb 23 00:44:38 rwhitby: sup Feb 23 00:44:47 do you have an AT&T Pre+ by chance? Feb 23 00:45:14 neg, sprint pre- and vzw pixi+ Feb 23 00:46:46 ok, no worries. Feb 23 00:47:08 * NuttyBunny raises hand Feb 23 00:47:10 hehehe Feb 23 00:47:38 oh sh*t... full erase disables devmode :S Feb 23 00:47:54 rwhitby: ajay has one, but he went for lunch right now Feb 23 00:47:56 so hard to turn back on Feb 23 00:48:15 what is the patch / app to configure the launcher again ? Feb 23 00:48:22 i thought you typed menu or advanced in prewaqre Feb 23 00:48:29 s/prewaqre/preware Feb 23 00:48:44 there are no patches for modifying the launcher on 2.x Feb 23 00:49:21 oh thats right Feb 23 00:49:22 rwhitby: what's up? I've got an ATT Pre+ without a working SIM... :p Feb 23 00:49:23 Leathal, NuttyBunny, Thibaud: considering testing ROW 2.0.1 masequerade for AT&T Pre+ Feb 23 00:49:25 you can add them from launcher Feb 23 00:50:32 I don't think it will work for me, remember I activated on Telcel :S Feb 23 00:50:57 the most I can have is 1.4.5 prerelease :) Feb 23 00:53:49 rwhitby: will do. trying one last thing to get this profile working first. Feb 23 00:54:05 Ah, f*ck, replacing palm-build-info with at&t 1.4.5 one, and logging in to profile (no doctor, just full erase), didn't work in reseting the profile number Feb 23 00:55:22 Does it work with a fresh Doctor? Feb 23 00:55:39 nuttybunny: did you build your metadoctor with your old tokens and such? Feb 23 00:56:26 Leathal: no, I didn't :( Feb 23 00:56:31 * NuttyBunny goes to the corner Feb 23 00:57:28 haha ok well combine this post http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276069-using-verizon-pre-2-doctor-assist-sprint-pre-2-development-3.html#post2878631 Feb 23 00:57:30 with http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint#Step_1:_Extract_working_Sprint_Pre_Tokens Feb 23 00:57:51 mine's reporting as 1.40.50 after doing that Feb 23 00:58:44 hmm Feb 23 00:58:48 no angry birds ? Feb 23 00:58:51 ok after rolling back to 1.4.5, disable palm backup and deleting all backup files from their servers, and redoctoring to 2.1...the moment of truth has arrived Feb 23 00:59:05 Good Luck :) Feb 23 00:59:39 if this doesnt work im calling it quits for tonight. so hard to troubleshoot when each attempt takes 20+ minutes Feb 23 01:00:46 fuuuuck yesssss Feb 23 01:00:55 hehehe, same here... I have to go and deal with traffic... at least I'll get wIRC :) Feb 23 01:01:02 setup complete booyah Feb 23 01:01:09 w00t wirc Feb 23 01:01:23 * rwhitby listens to PalmCast Feb 23 01:01:38 Leathal: what you got? Feb 23 01:02:03 * halfhalo wishes he could listen to said palmcast Feb 23 01:02:20 okay so if anyone else is having troubles using their old profile with the 2.1 metadoc, redoctor to 1.4.5, sign in to your profile, disable palm backup and hit delete when it asks Feb 23 01:02:27 redoctor to 2.1 and you're golden Feb 23 01:02:32 hmm Feb 23 01:02:44 Leathal: can you post that in the thread please? Feb 23 01:02:51 wIRC FTW Feb 23 01:02:52 i will once its done rebooting and i confirm Feb 23 01:03:11 heh Feb 23 01:03:11 but it let me sign in which is way farther than its ever gone and novacom isn't showing any real errors Feb 23 01:05:20 testing out paid app catalog by purchasing homebrew documentation - yes im a scrub who never bought it :( Feb 23 01:05:27 hm: say I wanted to make a custom boot logo: where's the glowing version of it? :o Feb 23 01:08:12 blargh purchase failed Feb 23 01:08:33 re-entering my CC info, but im not holding my breath Feb 23 01:08:41 leathal what did u mean when u posted that you manually inserted VZQ firmware Feb 23 01:08:49 VZW* Feb 23 01:09:37 grab roadrunnercdma_fw.tar and roadrunnercdmafw-verizon_1.0.1-17_armv7.ipk from the verizon pre2 doctor and put them in their respective spots in your metadoctor Feb 23 01:09:59 ok thanks man Feb 23 01:11:01 yeah no dice on purchasing new paid apps right now "There is a problem with the credit card blah blah blah error code PMT04417" Feb 23 01:11:16 i'll spend some time on this later, just glad i got my profile working Feb 23 01:12:20 good whats Feb 23 01:20:37 oc80z 2.1 is whats good Feb 23 01:20:38 :D Feb 23 01:22:34 what are must have preware apps besdies save/restore govnah /jtop/ netstat / wirc / free tether and terminal . like must have apps Feb 23 01:24:26 re Feb 23 01:24:58 drpodder is awesome Feb 23 01:26:30 * Loudergood is downloading more podcasts directly to his phone simultaneously right now to prepare for his flight Feb 23 01:26:41 mmm... where does wIRC saves its profiles? why do I have my config intact after an Apps and Data erase? :) Feb 23 01:27:13 ATTN WebOS Fans: There will be a WebOS Internals BOF at SCALE 9x, Friday@9PM in the Century CD room Feb 23 01:27:17 we just booked it Feb 23 01:27:28 BOF? Feb 23 01:28:07 Birds Of a Feathre Feb 23 01:28:11 Feather even Feb 23 01:28:43 * NuttyBunny doesn't understand :( Feb 23 01:28:53 * halfhalo shall qik said event Feb 23 01:29:45 poot :< Feb 23 01:29:52 I'll be out there Saturday, but not friday Feb 23 01:29:53 oops, PalmCast now huh? that's too many chats.. ta! Feb 23 01:30:43 hmm..no qemu-kvm-extras in debian Feb 23 01:32:05 changing palm-build-info post-profile login back to the original 2.1 version has no effect on being able to purchase apps Feb 23 01:33:33 so you'll only be able to purchase apps masquerading as 1.4.5? Feb 23 01:35:22 bingo.. Feb 23 01:35:32 isn't there a patch to disable/ hide just type Feb 23 01:37:13 NuttyBunny: i wasn't able to purchase apps even masq'ing as 1.4.5 Feb 23 01:37:26 however my previously purchased apps are fine Feb 23 01:37:39 Leathal: cryptk was able to purchase 1.4.5 apps after restoring palm-build-info Feb 23 01:37:46 indeed Feb 23 01:37:54 does that require a restart? Feb 23 01:37:58 yes Feb 23 01:37:59 I was able to purchase them even before restoring it Feb 23 01:38:02 reboot Feb 23 01:38:03 ah Feb 23 01:39:02 you also need to make sure your profile on palm.com/palmprofile correctly reports 1.40.50 Feb 23 01:39:03 ok restarting now. i already restored palm-build-info but didn't reboot before checking the app catalog Feb 23 01:39:06 it does Feb 23 01:39:10 if it shows 9.9.9 then you did something wrong Feb 23 01:39:29 no of all the things ive done wrong with this damn phone today, thats not one of theme Feb 23 01:39:38 them* Feb 23 01:40:15 finally got my profile with paid apps tied to it working in 2.1, which was my biggest roadblock Feb 23 01:40:30 palm's backup server absolutely chokes Feb 23 01:40:58 Just have to say that you guys are awesome...spare pre is coming this weekend at which point I'll be able to help testing this stuff. Feb 23 01:41:47 Leathal: BTW, thanks for taking the lead on the masquerade path for Pre-. Feb 23 01:42:14 hmm.. can't search for a patch / something in preware from just type correct ? Feb 23 01:42:25 hey man you guys did all the heavy lifting, i just adapted a howto haha Feb 23 01:42:34 Leathal: it's awesome to have people like you who know exactly how to do stuff, and who can take a "try this" statement and implement it without needing further explanation. Feb 23 01:43:05 yeah well you should see my PM inbox over at precentral after today... :( Feb 23 01:43:14 but thanks haha Feb 23 01:43:36 "hey man how u get 2.1 on ur pre can u send file???" Feb 23 01:43:47 what the Feb 23 01:43:59 Leathal was tht in your inbox ? Feb 23 01:44:00 Leathal: yeah, I ignore any PM like that without any regret. Feb 23 01:44:18 Don't even send them a reply. Feb 23 01:44:31 josef: pretty much 6 or 7 variations of that Feb 23 01:44:41 ok testing paid app purchasing now Feb 23 01:44:48 with restored palm-build-info Feb 23 01:45:09 I enjoyed the guy who said he wasn't going to bother installing virtual box and ubuntu and would wait until there was a simpler solution. Feb 23 01:45:10 what up, guys! Feb 23 01:45:24 Had to break it to him that there will never be instructions that don't require metadoctor. Feb 23 01:45:26 managed to get 2.1.0 running on my sprint pre- (hooray!) Feb 23 01:45:53 hmm purchase failed again Feb 23 01:45:58 I know I'm not in here much, but tomorrow I'm getting an at&t pre plus (with no service).. so if you want me to try anything tomorrow let me know Feb 23 01:46:21 checking to make sure p-b-info actually was changed. vi dont fail me again! Feb 23 01:46:24 graywolf336 wow . that must have cost an arm and a leg .. no contract Feb 23 01:46:30 clee is it running alright ? Feb 23 01:46:33 but the baseband is clearly not optimal... I can make voice calls, but I get the "Dropped call" on hangup, and SMS no worky. are there any clear instructions on how to update to the Verizon CDMA bundle? Feb 23 01:46:55 Josef_B: it's much more responsive than 1.4.5, and if I could get the baseband working right, I'd be very happy Feb 23 01:47:40 Josef_B: no not really, getting it off craigslist.org... They had it for two weeks and used it as a secondary phone Feb 23 01:47:59 clee: grab roadrunnercdma_fw.tar and roadrunnercdmafw-verizon_1.0.1-17_armv7.ipk from the verizon pre2 doctor and put them in their respective spots in your metadoctor Feb 23 01:48:40 Leathal: no way to install them inside the working phone, have to reflash? :( Feb 23 01:48:45 (reflashing takes so long!) Feb 23 01:48:47 Leathal: I'll need to make a meta-doctor feature for that I think Feb 23 01:49:04 clee: destinal tried doing a manual flash from a recovery memboot Feb 23 01:49:37 rwhitby: palm-build-info just goes in /etc right? Feb 23 01:49:40 yep Feb 23 01:49:55 mine's definitely back at the 2.1 defaults, but still no app catalog purchasing Feb 23 01:50:33 i'm gonna puzzle this out over a smoke, brb Feb 23 01:55:39 Hello... Is there anybody out there? Feb 23 01:58:29 what's up, SuperDan311 ? Feb 23 01:59:03 hey Feb 23 01:59:04 hello Feb 23 01:59:24 ok... so I am a field rep. for HP/palm Feb 23 01:59:48 and no I unfortunately do not have any awesome top secret info to share Feb 23 02:00:00 boo Feb 23 02:00:14 that's not as fun Feb 23 02:00:28 SuperDan311: welcome Feb 23 02:00:37 SuperDan311: you wouldn't be a field rep for HP/Palm much longer if you had any *top secret* info to share :) Feb 23 02:00:46 i know... believe me, it has been rough out there... but at least there is the Pre 2 and HP is finally bringing out some new stuff Feb 23 02:01:06 that would be true Feb 23 02:01:23 but i honestly don't anyway... but you make a good point... Feb 23 02:01:44 I am on here as I have begun to try and educate myself on webOS app development Feb 23 02:02:32 my idea is to take the monthly webOS market newsletter I make for my market and share with the other reps around the nation to another level and transform it into an app Feb 23 02:03:00 SuperDan311: for normal app catalog style apps, #webos is the best channel. We talk more about the internals of webOS in this channel. Feb 23 02:03:10 SuperDan311: you're welcome to hang out in here too :) Feb 23 02:03:13 pl Feb 23 02:03:23 ok Feb 23 02:03:41 this channel you speak of... how does one get to it? Feb 23 02:03:47 fingers shifted slightly? ;) Feb 23 02:03:49 sorry for being an IRC noob Feb 23 02:03:50 /j #webos Feb 23 02:04:52 Did you all receive the server that was donated from HP yet? just curious? Feb 23 02:06:24 i give up on getting app purchasing to work for the night. gotta pour over this heckscher-ohlin model crap for school. hopefully i can get it to work tomorrow! Feb 23 02:07:36 I run around all day and have to combat these sales reps that think Android is some mythical super OS because of the whole "open source" idea... thankfully all of you make my argument that webOS is not only better, but in some respects more open! You guys seriously are awesome! Feb 23 02:08:44 SuperDan311: Android's GPL license makes little difference to "openness" to the end-user/developer if phone handset makers are willing to violate the express terms of the license right and left Feb 23 02:08:47 I have donated silently... and will be donating at the end of the month once again Feb 23 02:08:47 Android is a mess Feb 23 02:09:17 * LarrySteeze falls into the room Feb 23 02:11:16 ok wgreenhouse... how would you put the webOS vs. Android open source difference/argument? I would love your highly educated opinion, as the more knowledge I have on the topic the btter! Feb 23 02:11:19 better Feb 23 02:13:21 well, cool: I've got 2.1 running on my Pre+ now. Not cool? No activated SIM to activate with, so no profile login :/ Feb 23 02:13:59 /me loves the 2.0 on pre+ :) dev phone at least.. :) Feb 23 02:14:04 blah Feb 23 02:15:45 SuperDan311: I'd recommend reading up on the Cyanogenmod dispute, and on the fragmentation of Android on different OEM platforms Feb 23 02:16:03 basically, the problem is that the Open Handset Alliance is allowing widespread violations of the GPL Feb 23 02:16:14 including by Google Feb 23 02:16:46 and also, webOS is an extremely open development platform, the only real restriction is that HP/Palm reserves rights to redistribute/resell webOS itself Feb 23 02:18:29 SuperDan311: server not delivered yet Feb 23 02:18:54 rwhitby: did it ever get figured out where the previous FirstUse app stuff disappeared to? Namely the profile login bits? Feb 23 02:19:51 Thanx for the good info! and to show my support I just made a donation of $50... I know it is a small drop in the bucket... but it is just one more donation of more to come to help you guys continue the awesome work you all do! Feb 23 02:24:59 im sure it is much appreciated SuperDan311 :) i too love* what internals/homebrew does.. :0 Feb 23 02:28:08 Keep up all the great work guys! Thanx for the help! Feb 23 02:29:32 welcome back anytime superdan311.. cheers Feb 23 02:35:05 Anyone try meta-doctoring webOS 2.1 for the european pre plus on to a Verizon Pre Plus? I'm about to give it a shot. Feb 23 02:36:52 seb_or_sam, it has been done, check the P|C forums for details Feb 23 02:37:04 i did on a US (dev device) verizon, 2.0 only tho.. Feb 23 02:37:07 in fact they literally JUST talked about it on the PalmCast Feb 23 02:37:17 I thought so. Feb 23 02:37:21 they did the palmcast tonight? Feb 23 02:39:48 Solix.. Just a quick question, do you think if I put out a request on the precentral.net forums or something to try and get some help in making a webOS app to turn the HP webOS monthly newsletter into an app be? basically with a webOS tips and tricks section, news and app picks etc... that is for the national wireless sales staff of our wireless partners... the idea is it to continue to spread the webOS love, knowledge Feb 23 02:40:11 well, PmModemUpdater seems to be working pretty well... Feb 23 02:40:43 although it has some hilarious typos Feb 23 02:40:45 I have limited HTML knowledge and virtually zero on CSS/JAvascript.. I know this IRC is for internals... just wondered if it would be an idea that may get some traction Feb 23 02:40:54 Packge version, Infomation... Feb 23 02:41:09 SuperDan311 goosd chance.. yes, best place may be here tho also, just during "local' HP/business (rwhitby) hours.. :) imo Feb 23 02:41:38 local hours? Feb 23 02:42:04 is rwhitby a HP employee? Feb 23 02:42:13 SuperDan311: no, he's not Feb 23 02:42:16 ok Feb 23 02:42:18 ohno.. sorry Feb 23 02:42:31 they bought him a boat Feb 23 02:42:48 Hope it is big Feb 23 02:42:49 forums, and frequent here probaby, or send am email to HP. ? :) Feb 23 02:42:51 like T-Pains Feb 23 02:44:34 gotcha... I tried to get approval to spread time educated myself on webOS development but got denied during my work hours... so it is a bit ambitious of a project for me at the moment... However Ares is pretty freakin cool Feb 23 02:44:46 spend time i meant Feb 23 02:46:09 hmm.. best "advice", really, is spend time in here and #webos... seriously. :) you will know all you need to know eventually. ;) Feb 23 02:47:27 imo Feb 23 02:47:51 * solix states disclaimer.. IMHO. ;) Feb 23 02:47:58 oil: oh, it's a HP boat now? Feb 23 02:48:20 well, it was a palm boat before hp bought palm Feb 23 02:48:24 xD Feb 23 02:48:29 hehe Feb 23 02:48:51 ;p; Feb 23 02:48:52 lol Feb 23 02:49:07 I got Palm Balm, but not Palm Boat. Feb 23 02:49:16 lol Feb 23 02:49:22 palm balm? Feb 23 02:49:40 oil: guess this was Adora's goodies Feb 23 02:49:41 ointment.. Feb 23 02:49:43 * oil wants to see picture Feb 23 02:49:47 haha Feb 23 02:52:06 oil: what about this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/sophistechate/4700647261/ Feb 23 02:52:34 ! Feb 23 02:52:40 * Thibaud ;) Feb 23 02:53:02 oil: but only rod knows for sure :) Feb 23 02:57:06 yep, that's the palm balm Feb 23 02:57:35 Lisa, are you around? Feb 23 02:57:54 always Feb 23 02:58:19 heh alright... Feb 23 02:58:32 OK, really need to go a sleep (or what's left of it!). Bye everyone :) Feb 23 02:59:19 meta-doctor is having issues right now... I do not understand what it's trying to tell me with Error 9 Feb 23 02:59:40 I sent you a PM...just wanted some info on app conversion **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011