**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 02 02:59:57 2011
Mar 02 03:02:36 <boqopod> damn slow connection...   bad storm out here always seems to kill my reception for MHS
Mar 02 03:04:40 <oc80z> k
Mar 02 03:04:46 <oc80z> i hoep all goes well
Mar 02 03:05:20 <boqopod> i keep getting connection time outs and the chat freezes..
Mar 02 03:06:08 <Dumbledore_> is there an app that allows us to stream our own radio stations
Mar 02 03:10:06 <Dumbledore_> nvm, answered my own question. Internet Radio app :D
Mar 02 03:30:17 <thomas_> hey, I'm following the easy flash tutorial
Mar 02 03:30:37 <thomas_> and I'm having trouble unpacking the dr. file, to get to the flash files
Mar 02 03:30:41 <thomas_> i'm on OSX
Mar 02 03:31:19 <SineOt> right click the doctor, open with archive utility
Mar 02 03:38:13 <PatrickC_Pre> hello
Mar 02 03:40:23 <halfhalo> the number of devices on me atm is frankly astonishing
Mar 02 03:41:18 <PatrickC_Pre> how manu
Mar 02 03:41:42 <halfhalo> 6
Mar 02 03:41:51 <halfhalo> within reach
Mar 02 03:41:53 <PatrickC_Pre> can I have one?
Mar 02 03:43:36 * halfhalo notes his pales in comparison to some in this channel
Mar 02 03:44:01 <PatrickC_Pre> I have 2
Mar 02 03:44:06 <PatrickC_Pre> 1 within reach
Mar 02 03:44:19 <halfhalo> and they are all ti be used for Ze testing
Mar 02 03:44:33 <PatrickC_Pre> I can test :)
Mar 02 03:45:56 <halfhalo> really? you can test node based code with such tools as kyuri, vows, expresso and properly debug said code?
Mar 02 03:46:19 <PatrickC_Pre> expresso is a no-go
Mar 02 03:47:56 <halfhalo> well, no matter what you can't since I haven't ported stuff to the on device node yet.  that's thursdays project
Mar 02 03:48:41 <halfhalo> or just learn how palm is testing their stuff and use that
Mar 02 03:48:53 <halfhalo> fshttp.js ftw
Mar 02 03:50:14 <bpadalino> what is fshttp.js ?
Mar 02 03:55:19 <PatrickC_Pre> I was wondering that too
Mar 02 03:56:06 <PatrickC_Pre> tibfib: ping!
Mar 02 04:02:58 <Sanglant> rwhitby: which test kernel works with 2.1.0?
Mar 02 04:03:43 <PatrickC_Pre> I believe UK and F105 work
Mar 02 04:03:51 <Sanglant> ok
Mar 02 04:04:08 <PatrickC_Pre> but I'm not 100% sure
Mar 02 04:04:43 <NuttyBunny> Is F105 fixed yet?
Mar 02 04:04:59 <PatrickC_Pre> fixed?
Mar 02 04:05:01 <halfhalo> fshttp is a node based script to let me browse the fs of a device
Mar 02 04:05:01 <Sanglant> I don't think it is. it just failed ot install
Mar 02 04:05:04 <PatrickC_Pre> was it broke?
Mar 02 04:09:51 <NuttyBunny> yesterday it wouldn't run pdk apps (TMC error... on a Pre Plus)
Mar 02 04:11:30 <rwhitby> Sanglant: you do realise that Preware shows you the right set of kernels for the OS version you are running, right?
Mar 02 04:12:07 <rwhitby> so the answer to your question is: "The ones you can install from the feed in Preware"
Mar 02 04:12:11 <Sanglant> rwhitby: I did not realise that.
Mar 02 04:13:56 <halfhalo> preware's smart like that
Mar 02 04:14:20 <Sanglant> It's not letting me install uberkernel
Mar 02 04:14:58 <Sanglant> It's telling me that the device kernel is not in factory condition
Mar 02 04:15:14 <Loudergood> just worked for me from the proper feed
Mar 02 04:15:38 <Sanglant> Which feed did you use?
Mar 02 04:17:20 <Loudergood> the one on the wiki
Mar 02 04:17:40 <Sanglant> What link are you looking at?
Mar 02 04:18:18 <Sanglant> I've already loaded the testing feeds
Mar 02 04:19:43 <Loudergood> and the kernel testing feed?
Mar 02 04:19:56 <Sanglant> yes
Mar 02 04:20:39 <Loudergood> preware.is.awesome.com ?
Mar 02 04:21:19 <Sanglant> yes
Mar 02 04:25:02 <Sanglant> I just went and installed the default kernel to get a clean start.
Mar 02 04:29:17 <phil_bw> anyone know a good place to get laptop memory?  Thinking of getting firefox a couple gigs of it's own...
Mar 02 04:30:01 <Sanglant> I usually buy from newegg
Mar 02 04:30:15 <phil_bw> I've bought a few things from them, been a while though
Mar 02 04:49:50 <jelatta> hey quick question, if i 2.1 upgraded using wifi-only, can i enable the cdma radio once I'm up or do i have to re-doctor?
Mar 02 04:49:52 <PatrickC_Pre> when you full erase it doesn't take the patches off...
Mar 02 04:50:08 <rwhitby> jelatta: redoctor if it doesn't work
Mar 02 04:50:22 <jelatta> k
Mar 02 04:50:39 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre: you really need to learn how *NOT* to state things as authoritative when you have no idea what you are talking about
Mar 02 04:50:48 <jelatta> thanks, and thanks so much for the meta-doctor, 2.1 is awesome
Mar 02 04:50:51 <undrwater> what does wifi-only actually do?
Mar 02 04:50:53 <PatrickC_Pre> what did I state?
Mar 02 04:51:02 <rwhitby> "PatrickC_Pre: when you full erase it doesn't take the patches off..."
Mar 02 04:51:07 <rwhitby> which is completely wrong
Mar 02 04:51:14 <PatrickC_Pre> I was talking about my phone and didn't even see the previous post
Mar 02 04:51:31 <PatrickC_Pre> and I full-erased my Pixi and all patches are still present and working
Mar 02 04:51:48 <rwhitby> I'm sorry, but that is simply not possible
Mar 02 04:51:49 <undrwater> that's a better statement :)
Mar 02 04:51:59 <rwhitby> it's still completely wrong
Mar 02 04:52:24 <PatrickC_Pre> I did not secure full erase, I just simply full erased and everything is still patched
Mar 02 04:52:45 <rwhitby> well, not completely wrong, but misleading.
Mar 02 04:52:52 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm downloading a youtube video now and I'm not even in dev mode
Mar 02 04:53:08 <rwhitby> if you full erase, all record of the patches will be gone, but the operating system files will still be modified
Mar 02 04:53:20 <PatrickC_Pre> that is what happened
Mar 02 04:53:46 <rwhitby> I guess we have a terminology mismatch here.
Mar 02 04:54:02 <rwhitby> A patch is a file which you apply to another file to modify that second file.
Mar 02 04:54:32 <rwhitby> The patches are no longer on your phone, they were removed when you erased.  The modifications to the operating system files remain, not the patches.
Mar 02 04:54:32 <PatrickC_Pre> and when you full erase doesnt/shouldn't it fix all files?
Mar 02 04:54:59 <rwhitby> It removes everything from /var and /media/cryptofs/apps
Mar 02 04:55:16 <PatrickC_Pre> ahh ok
Mar 02 04:55:25 <PatrickC_Pre> I thought it was almost like doctoring
Mar 02 04:55:41 <rwhitby> It does not undo the modifications of the base operating system files that the application of the patches causes.
Mar 02 04:55:51 <rwhitby> it is not like doctoring
Mar 02 04:56:33 <rwhitby> If you have patches applied, you should always doctor whenever you full erase.
Mar 02 04:56:47 <PatrickC_Pre> ok. what is different between "full erase" and "secure full erase"?
Mar 02 04:56:57 <rwhitby> then both the patches themselves are removed, and the original operating system files are also restored.
Mar 02 04:58:00 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Mar 02 04:59:53 <rwhitby> PatrickC_Pre: BTW, undrwater is correct.  when you state things about your phone, state them about your phone, unless you are 100% sure that your statements apply to all phones.
Mar 02 05:00:13 <PatrickC_Pre> ok will do
Mar 02 05:00:43 <rwhitby> e.g. "I'm observing on my phone, such and such. Is that expected behaviour?" rather than "This happens"
Mar 02 05:01:24 <PatrickC_Pre> ok
Mar 02 05:04:31 <undrwater> does webos work on other devices?  or can it?
Mar 02 05:04:38 <undrwater> similar arm or something?
Mar 02 05:07:05 <kamui__> has there been any progress wiht X on the pre2?
Mar 02 05:09:26 <jelatta> i can't have two palm profiles correct?
Mar 02 05:10:59 <undrwater> i found a post on precentral about an app that starts navit from another mapping app (google?) for routing...anyone know the name...i lost it
Mar 02 05:13:36 <rwhitby> jelatta: you can have as many palm profiles as you can create email addresses.  I have at least 10.
Mar 02 05:14:10 <rwhitby> however, you can only have one on a device at any one time, and one profile cannot be on more than one device.
Mar 02 05:14:37 <jelatta> sweet, i read on a forum you couldn't so i just signed in with my real one
Mar 02 05:14:51 <jelatta> i think i'll be alright tho
Mar 02 05:20:35 <jelatta> I can't seem to sign into my original profile or one i just made up, it says i need to be connected to my service provider's network
Mar 02 05:21:03 <jelatta> i'm def. in network coverage
Mar 02 05:34:49 <Sanglant> After upgrading to 2.1.0, should my profile still show 1.40.50?
Mar 02 05:35:39 <PatrickC_Pre> I believe though I haven't done it, so I'm not 100% sure
Mar 02 05:36:07 <rwhitby> Sanglant: what does the wiki page say on that subject?
Mar 02 05:37:27 <undrwater> Sanglant: it's all exciting when the phone reboots...but you're not done yet :)
Mar 02 05:37:52 <Sanglant> I followed step 5 and it's still showing 1.4.5
Mar 02 05:38:38 <rwhitby> did you read the whole page from top to bottom ?
Mar 02 05:39:17 <Sanglant> yeah, maybe I missed something. I'm getting too tired to be trying to figure this stuff out.
Mar 02 05:39:31 <rwhitby> then you should stop and do it tomorrow
Mar 02 05:40:10 * bhuey wonder if folks are working on the PRL issue on Sprint Pres
Mar 02 05:40:33 <rwhitby> bhuey: I believe I've found the system customisation property which controls it
Mar 02 05:41:02 <rwhitby> if someone has a Sprint Pre- running 2.1.0 we can test my theory ...
Mar 02 05:41:05 <bhuey> nice
Mar 02 05:41:33 <phil_bw> I'm waiting to see if a get a developer Pre2, if not I'll throw 2.1.0 on my Sprint Pre-
Mar 02 05:41:48 <bhuey> I played with a pre 2 yesterday
Mar 02 05:41:55 <bhuey> nobody in the verizon store realized it was a pre2 2
Mar 02 05:41:57 <bhuey> pre 2
Mar 02 05:42:08 <phil_bw> yeah
Mar 02 05:42:08 <bhuey> since it looked so much like a regular pre plus
Mar 02 05:42:30 <bhuey> they had it in for weeks but didn't state it
Mar 02 05:42:40 <bhuey> since they all thought it was a regular pre plus
Mar 02 05:42:42 <RagingMind> I really wish I could replace my pre+ with a pre2
Mar 02 05:42:53 <bhuey> it ran pretty well but it's still slower than the iPhone 4
Mar 02 05:43:20 <bhuey> we'll see how it does at the backing db gets filled up
Mar 02 05:43:28 <bhuey> at=as
Mar 02 05:44:53 <RagingMind> webOS 2.1 runs great on my Pre+ and the anecdotal evidence from the "internet" is that 2.1 feel more polished in general than 2.0.1
Mar 02 05:45:27 <dwc-> I got one of the webos Pre giveaways at scale ... I installed the terminal app (0.30) but all I get is an empty black screen ... did I miss a step?
Mar 02 05:45:51 <RagingMind> dwc-, what webos version are you running
Mar 02 05:45:53 <RagingMind> ?
Mar 02 05:46:09 <bhuey> the pre 2 might have been running 2.0.1 actually
Mar 02 05:46:13 <dwc-> only thing odd I noticed is I think the phone reported the first time I ran it
Mar 02 05:46:37 <dwc-> it came with 2.0.0... % updated to 2.0.1
Mar 02 05:46:45 <RagingMind> dwc-, right now there isn't a terminal app that works on webOS 2+ as far as I know
Mar 02 05:46:53 <dwc-> s/%/I/
Mar 02 05:46:54 <infobot> dwc- meant: it came with 2.0.0... I updated to 2.0.1
Mar 02 05:47:03 <rwhitby> dwc-: Terminal doesn't work for 2.x
Mar 02 05:47:12 <dwc-> aww....
Mar 02 05:47:31 <rwhitby> if you're good with gdb and arm assembly you could help ...
Mar 02 05:47:37 <RagingMind> I finally broke down and installed ssh so I could have a non-novaterm terminal
Mar 02 05:48:02 <dwc-> and I suppose the sdk thing means no public fix?
Mar 02 05:48:26 <rwhitby> nothing to do with SDK - the undocumented API changed, and we don't know how to fix it
Mar 02 05:48:41 <dwc-> arm, no ... i386 and mips  sorta
Mar 02 05:50:14 <dwc-> what's the issue? the backend service?
Mar 02 05:53:56 <rwhitby> undocumented NPAPI interface between UI and backend.  something changed.
Mar 02 05:55:39 <m0ngr31> does anyone know why after i install flash no flash pages will load? it just keeps rebooting?
Mar 02 05:55:53 <RagingMind> m0ngr31, it didn't install right
Mar 02 05:56:06 <Sanglant> Night all
Mar 02 05:56:16 <RagingMind> does your phone reboot or does the page reload forever?
Mar 02 05:56:25 <m0ngr31> RagingMind: page reloads forever
Mar 02 05:56:41 <RagingMind> which instructions did you follow to install?
Mar 02 05:56:57 <m0ngr31> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/276703-how-get-flash-legacy-devices-2-1-0-a.html
Mar 02 05:57:21 <RagingMind> how did you install the package and the patch?
Mar 02 05:57:37 <m0ngr31> wosqi
Mar 02 05:57:48 <RagingMind> okay. you're in the same situation I was :)
Mar 02 05:58:01 <RagingMind> it did the exact same thing to me the first time I tried
Mar 02 05:58:22 <RagingMind> so I removed the package and reinstalled... got an error
Mar 02 05:58:25 <m0ngr31> what did you have to do different? i've tried it twice now lol
Mar 02 05:58:36 <RagingMind> then I tried installing it again... and it worked
Mar 02 05:59:25 <m0ngr31> ok, i guess I'll try installing it again...
Mar 02 05:59:26 <RagingMind> there's something weird about the package that gets built... it's inconsistent in what it does to the system :(
Mar 02 05:59:39 <m0ngr31> do i need to rebuild the ipk?
Mar 02 05:59:44 <RagingMind> I didn't
Mar 02 05:59:50 <RagingMind> I just reinstalled the same one
Mar 02 06:00:01 <m0ngr31> ok
Mar 02 06:00:27 <RagingMind> but apparently there's also some fudge room in how the ipk is built... and that can cause issues too? *shrugs*
Mar 02 06:00:53 <RagingMind> it's a fuzzy mess at the moment, but I have flash for now :)
Mar 02 06:01:45 <m0ngr31> lol
Mar 02 06:01:54 <m0ngr31> i love this community
Mar 02 06:02:42 <RagingMind> I'm already planning on doctoring my phone again sometime soon.  so until then I'm playing with stuff like this ;)
Mar 02 06:02:53 <m0ngr31> you going to stick with 2.1?
Mar 02 06:03:00 <RagingMind> YES
Mar 02 06:03:10 <m0ngr31> yeah, i'm loving it
Mar 02 06:03:19 <RagingMind> I won't go back to 1.4.5
Mar 02 06:03:51 <m0ngr31> it took me a year to convince one of my friends to switch from android to webos, but he's scared to switch to 2.1 now.
Mar 02 06:04:16 <m0ngr31> but i can't go back now either
Mar 02 06:04:29 <m0ngr31> there are a few patches i miss though
Mar 02 06:04:46 <m0ngr31> but they will come soon enough :)
Mar 02 06:05:17 <undrwater> what are the obvious benefits of 2.1?
Mar 02 06:05:36 <m0ngr31> everything
Mar 02 06:06:04 <RagingMind> heh
Mar 02 06:06:16 <RagingMind> stacked cards really make my day
Mar 02 06:06:24 <undrwater> well...i just got my device...ran 1.4.5 for maybe a week...
Mar 02 06:06:32 <RagingMind> ah...
Mar 02 06:07:01 <undrwater> ppl here talking about uber kernel...is there really one out?
Mar 02 06:07:05 <RagingMind> I'm not sure if you'd notice too much after a week, but I was on 1.x for about a year
Mar 02 06:07:13 <m0ngr31> yeah, it's out already
Mar 02 06:08:13 <undrwater> m0ngr31: on preware? or manual install?
Mar 02 06:08:23 <ttk1opc> I like being able to connect to my dropbox
Mar 02 06:08:35 <m0ngr31> it's in preware, but you have to add a custom feed
Mar 02 06:09:29 <undrwater> once things are set up...this is so much easier than android :)
Mar 02 06:10:36 <m0ngr31> it's easier all around. i hate rooting and cyanogening all my friends androids. i'll take my day one pre anyday
Mar 02 06:11:00 <undrwater> wish it had a bigger screen
Mar 02 06:11:11 <rwhitby> m0ngr31: it's all in the homebrew architecture
Mar 02 06:11:15 <undrwater> wiki doesn't have custom feed...
Mar 02 06:11:24 <rwhitby> ~testing-feeds
Mar 02 06:11:25 <infobot> hmm... testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Mar 02 06:11:44 <m0ngr31> rwhitby: what do you mean?
Mar 02 06:11:53 <undrwater> i've got testing feeds enabled...uber kernel shows as placeholder
Mar 02 06:12:24 <rwhitby> m0ngr31: I mean that we designed webOS homebrew to be able to be installed and removed without having to reflash the whole phone
Mar 02 06:12:34 <m0ngr31> undrwater: did you do the preware.is.awesome feed?
Mar 02 06:12:59 <m0ngr31> rwhitby: oh yeah, i love it. you guys > xda devs
Mar 02 06:13:06 <rwhitby> undrwater: I suspect you skipped step 5 and 6
Mar 02 06:13:11 <undrwater> m0ngr31: no...
Mar 02 06:13:23 <undrwater> rwhitby: talk about missing stuff being excited
Mar 02 06:13:37 <m0ngr31> undrwater:  it's at the bottom of the page rod linked
Mar 02 06:15:42 <m0ngr31> rwhitby: do i talk to you about getting into the linphone alpha program?
Mar 02 06:15:57 <rwhitby> what device and provider?
Mar 02 06:16:32 <m0ngr31> pre- on sprint
Mar 02 06:16:38 <rwhitby> sip provider
Mar 02 06:16:50 <m0ngr31> sipgate
Mar 02 06:17:00 <rwhitby> m0ngr31: see /msg and report in the precentral thread
Mar 02 06:17:10 <undrwater> do i have to get the name correct?? ;)
Mar 02 06:17:31 <rwhitby> undrwater: no, I just put that there for kicks ;)
Mar 02 06:17:35 <m0ngr31> undrwater: yeah, the feed name has to be correct
Mar 02 06:17:58 <rwhitby> undrwater: but thanks for noticing my additions from last night :)
Mar 02 06:18:23 <undrwater> it's quite noticeable...so should reduce support requests :)
Mar 02 06:18:30 <rwhitby> I bet I still hear of people who get it wrong though
Mar 02 06:18:44 <undrwater> as i said "reduce" :)
Mar 02 06:19:11 <rwhitby> that's why I did preware.is.awesome.com - it clearly identifies that the person reporting it cannot follow instructions
Mar 02 06:19:38 <rwhitby> so I ignore any support request that contains that phrase
Mar 02 06:19:52 * rwhitby bbl
Mar 02 06:20:08 <halfhalo> what, not anything with just "preware"? :p
Mar 02 06:20:43 <dwc-> ooh, linphone ... *ears perk up* ... *googles*
Mar 02 06:21:19 <Jack87> rwhitby: I have sprint pre- what ya need?
Mar 02 06:26:56 <undrwater> hehe...pre has 3 finger salute
Mar 02 06:30:43 <ttk1opc> huh?
Mar 02 06:32:51 <undrwater> on PC it's ctrl+alt+del...
Mar 02 06:33:04 <undrwater> palm has opt+sym+r
Mar 02 06:36:03 <ttk1opc> oh ok, never heard that referred to as a three finger salute
Mar 02 06:36:44 <undrwater> old school maybe :)
Mar 02 06:37:11 <Zinge> ctrl-alt-del?
Mar 02 06:37:41 <Zinge> just jumped in, assuming that's what you're referring to...
Mar 02 06:38:09 <ttk1opc> yup, I guess I am the only one who doesn't
Mar 02 06:39:25 <dwc-> don't forget control open-apple reset
Mar 02 06:40:53 <dwc-> 3 fingers on things far away enough to make it unlikely to be accidental
Mar 02 06:42:11 <spartango> hey, i've been hacking around, and was wondering what thoughts people have for the best way to implement a WebOS service/pseudo service
Mar 02 06:42:17 <spartango> specifically
Mar 02 06:42:37 <spartango> i'm pulling data from iwlist/iwconfig for use in an application
Mar 02 06:43:18 <spartango> i've got a working http server that does that nicely (parses iwlist output, packages it neatly into json) so that a webos app could just connect over http
Mar 02 06:43:27 <spartango> but…is that the best way?
Mar 02 06:46:52 <joeb_> anyone notice when texiting and pressing send on 2.1 that it takes a while ?
Mar 02 06:46:59 <joeb_> 1 or 2 secs
Mar 02 06:47:31 <ttk1opc> You mean from turning grey to green, or even before that
Mar 02 06:47:44 <joeb_> yes
Mar 02 06:48:07 <joeb_> when you type you message and press send .. takes about 1 sec or 2 .. then it takes about 1 to 2 secs again to turn green
Mar 02 06:48:21 <ttk1opc> I haven't noticed anything different than how it acted before
Mar 02 06:50:35 <joeb_> can't wait till we can overclock :D
Mar 02 06:50:48 <ttk1opc> You can now, if you are daring
Mar 02 06:50:51 <joeb_> right now this is my  everyday device and i need it to work consitant
Mar 02 06:52:03 <ttk1opc> I'm about to try uberkernel now, I can kinda deal with the slower speed, but I'm getting bored
Mar 02 06:52:25 <joeb_> :P
Mar 02 06:53:34 <undrwater> ttk1opc: on it now...very nice
Mar 02 06:53:42 <spartango> been looking around…is it mostly reasonable to say that 2.1 isnt worth getting [as is] on pre- ?
Mar 02 06:55:53 <ttk1opc> good to hear
Mar 02 06:56:51 <ttk1opc> I've got it on pre minus, stock speed, it's not that bad, and I was used to 1Ghz before that.
Mar 02 06:58:06 <ttk1opc> Not sure what you mean by unreasonable, if you rely on carrier apps, then maybe you might want to wait
Mar 02 06:58:29 <joeb_> ugh
Mar 02 06:58:42 <joeb_> i need to install webosdk
Mar 02 06:59:01 <ttk1opc> why is that ugh?
Mar 02 07:02:49 <spartango> ttk1opc: i'm using ebay'ed pre-'s … no carrier, so if its decent at stock it might be worth switching…i want the new API's for camera etc
Mar 02 07:05:29 <ttk1opc> I guess it's up to you, I think it's pretty decent at stock speeds, plus the experimental versions of the overclocked kernels are already available
Mar 02 07:05:57 <MetaView> rwhitby ?
Mar 02 07:06:08 <spartango> mm i'll prolly wait for my second pre to arrive
Mar 02 07:06:09 <spartango> then use that
Mar 02 07:06:19 <spartango> $5.50 ;)
Mar 02 07:06:30 <MetaView> do you have a tip how to finish the make stage step in WIDK installation?
Mar 02 07:07:02 <undrwater> 5.5? where?
Mar 02 07:10:24 <spartango> ebay
Mar 02 07:10:30 <spartango> sprint
Mar 02 07:10:41 <spartango> pre-, cosmetic wear but device fully intact
Mar 02 07:11:07 <spartango> i've got 2 so far this way, one at $5.50, one at $13
Mar 02 07:11:25 <dwc-> wow....
Mar 02 07:11:26 <spartango> turns out these things are cheaper than any sensor node/MCU i could find
Mar 02 07:11:36 <spartango> and they have all the radios i could ever want
Mar 02 07:11:39 <ttk1opc> MetaView: A quick google search resulted in this, not sure if it can help you. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK#fuse
Mar 02 07:12:07 <spartango> the only issue is theresnot really serial port access (not even by BT in 1.4.5…i hear thats changed in 2.1?)
Mar 02 07:12:11 <spartango> which is annoying
Mar 02 07:12:21 <MetaView> ttk1opc: thx, but this doesn't help
Mar 02 07:12:34 <MetaView> the last point was added by myself, yesterday
Mar 02 07:12:40 <MetaView> now I stuck on a nother
Mar 02 07:12:49 <ttk1opc> oh ok, lol
Mar 02 07:13:02 <MetaView> where one package doesn't exist anymore but it's replaced by 5 different once
Mar 02 07:13:19 <dwc-> are there cheap Pixi too?
Mar 02 07:15:29 <spartango> yeah, ive seen a few
Mar 02 07:15:31 <spartango> again, sprint
Mar 02 07:15:37 <spartango> a weebit more expensive, not sure why
Mar 02 07:15:52 <spartango> [if you get other carriers, things get WAY expensive very fast]
Mar 02 07:16:01 <spartango> but great for development
Mar 02 07:16:39 <dwc-> hmm
Mar 02 07:16:53 <dwc-> my friend broke the touchscreen on his
Mar 02 07:36:57 <rwhitby> spartango: I'd use a C service and Mojo front-end communicating over service calls.
Mar 02 07:41:56 <spartango> hmm
Mar 02 07:42:23 <spartango> how are service calls implemented in webos?
Mar 02 07:43:07 <spartango> a first glance guess of mine was that it could be very, very similar to unix sockets
Mar 02 07:46:19 <rwhitby> spartango: checkout the preware git repo
Mar 02 07:46:41 <rwhitby> spartango: it used to be based on dbus, but in 2.0 it's a palm-native implementation of a service bus
Mar 02 07:50:41 <spartango> huh.
Mar 02 07:50:55 <spartango> interesting
Mar 02 07:51:12 <spartango> ok, im on 1.4.5, but that sounds like another incentive to go 2.1
Mar 02 07:51:22 <rwhitby> oh, go to 2.1
Mar 02 07:51:32 <rwhitby> there's absolutely no reason not to
Mar 02 07:51:35 <spartango> :)
Mar 02 07:51:45 <rwhitby> unless you depend on sprint navigation or something
Mar 02 07:51:50 <spartango> the new api's look nice :)
Mar 02 07:51:58 <rwhitby> the node stuff is good
Mar 02 07:52:21 <spartango> yeh, i noticed that…i've used node before so i was glad to see it
Mar 02 07:53:18 <rwhitby> spartango: ka6sox used 9 Pixi's as remote room monitor cameras recently at SCALE9x
Mar 02 07:53:38 <rwhitby> as you said, they are cheap development boards with lots of radios
Mar 02 07:55:21 <spartango1> so yeah, rwhitby, the idea from my end is basically to expose the wifi config/listing stuff, as well as tcpdump/ettercap so i can map that onto gps data
Mar 02 07:55:58 <spartango1> log and maybe find something useful from there..its my "getting used to webos" project, just got the pre- a few days ago
Mar 02 07:56:24 <spartango1> its turned out to be remarkably easy to play with
Mar 02 07:56:43 <m-h-k> where do you get tons of cheap pixis?
Mar 02 07:56:49 <rwhitby> ebay
Mar 02 07:57:11 <m-h-k> ok
Mar 02 07:57:25 <rwhitby> ok, time to look into PRL stuff (even though there is no CDMA network in Australia) ...
Mar 02 07:57:35 <spartango1> m-h-k: pre's are cheaper than pixi's, assuming cdma
Mar 02 07:57:48 <m-h-k> gsm here
Mar 02 07:57:54 <m-h-k> I'm from europe
Mar 02 07:58:00 <spartango1> :| those are more expensive
Mar 02 07:58:11 <m-h-k> I know ;(
Mar 02 07:58:13 <spartango1> im also gsm, but going wifi only with these guys
Mar 02 07:58:35 <spartango1> surprising what one can do with ubiquitous wifi on a uni campus
Mar 02 07:58:37 <rwhitby> ok, in the Sprint 1.4.5 doctor, carrier tarball, lives /usr/lib/luna/customization/system_customization.json
Mar 02 07:58:45 <rwhitby> in it is the line:
Mar 02 07:58:56 <rwhitby>         {
Mar 02 07:58:56 <rwhitby>             "uri": "palm://com.palm.systemservice/setPreferences",
Mar 02 07:58:57 <rwhitby>             "payload": {
Mar 02 07:58:58 <rwhitby>                 "showUpdatePRL": true
Mar 02 07:58:59 <rwhitby>             }
Mar 02 07:59:01 <Robi_> hm in 2.1 preware keeps greying out on every reboot
Mar 02 07:59:02 <rwhitby>         },
Mar 02 07:59:31 <rwhitby> Robi_: tell app catalog to stop trying to install it,remove installHistory.db, reboot, reinstall
Mar 02 08:00:10 <spartango1> rwhitby that looks sorta mundane, what do you want that to do?
Mar 02 08:00:15 <rwhitby> Sprint users: where can I find the Update PRL thing in the UI ?
Mar 02 08:00:52 <m-h-k> I was searching a while ago.. I hardly find Pixis on ebay over here, or at ridiculous EUR 150,- or so prices
Mar 02 08:00:57 <rwhitby> spartango1: oh, when we're munging together Sprint and WR doctor tarballs to get 2.1.0 on legacy devices, we don't include that package cause it's written for 1.4.5 and doesn't install on 2.1.0
Mar 02 08:00:58 <spartango1> 1 sec, looking
Mar 02 08:01:09 <Robi_> rwhitby: ok, how does app cat even know? isn't it homebrew only? where can I find the .db to clean it up?
Mar 02 08:01:13 <rwhitby> so that file is not being loaded
Mar 02 08:01:28 <rwhitby> Robi_: did you use AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE in meta-doctor ?
Mar 02 08:01:46 <spartango1> ok cool
Mar 02 08:02:19 <rwhitby> oil: ping
Mar 02 08:02:29 <oil> hm?
Mar 02 08:02:52 <rwhitby> oil: I think we'll need a "System Preferences" app
Mar 02 08:03:09 <rwhitby> oil: check the file I referenced above in an unpacked sprint doctor carrier subdir
Mar 02 08:03:19 <Robi_> rwhitby: the 2.1 jar used that yet, but since then i've been re-installing with the 1.5.0 preware installer .jar
Mar 02 08:03:27 <Robi_> s/yet/yes
Mar 02 08:03:53 <rwhitby> Robi_: sometimes the auto install gets 'stuck'.  We fool the app catalog into installing it, and it keeps trying (and failing)
Mar 02 08:04:10 <rwhitby> anyone got that PRL UI location yet?
Mar 02 08:04:31 * rwhitby guesses device info or phone preferences
Mar 02 08:05:12 <spartango1> didnt see it in device info
Mar 02 08:05:14 <m-h-k> wasnt it in phone prefs?
Mar 02 08:05:14 <Robi_> i am novacomd in.
Mar 02 08:05:26 <rwhitby> yep, phone preferences
Mar 02 08:05:33 <rwhitby> luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.systemservice/setPreferences '{"showUpdatePRL":true}'
Mar 02 08:06:48 <Robi_> what path is installHistory.db in?
Mar 02 08:07:23 <rwhitby> something like /var/palm/data or /var/luna/data or something
Mar 02 08:07:40 <rwhitby> in /var/palm/data/com.palm.appInstallService
Mar 02 08:07:57 <hucksy> hi
Mar 02 08:08:11 <oil> what is this system preferences app to do?
Mar 02 08:09:06 <hucksy> the testing-uberkernel on webos 2.1 doesn't set the freq. right in some cases, is this a known issue?
Mar 02 08:09:23 <hucksy> screenstate governor
Mar 02 08:09:38 <m-h-k> it's been meantioned on the forums
Mar 02 08:09:44 <hucksy> ah k :)
Mar 02 08:10:00 <m-h-k> but I was unclear whether some ppl had their chargers plugged in and saw it clamp to 500
Mar 02 08:10:18 <oil> we've been meaning to fix that
Mar 02 08:10:38 <oil> when we get a list of what changes when
Mar 02 08:10:45 <m-h-k> u know what's causing it?
Mar 02 08:10:47 <oil> we can check the power state and search for a different profile
Mar 02 08:11:39 <oil> oh, doesnt hte kernel change freq when its plugged in?
Mar 02 08:12:08 <hucksy> charger was not plugged in (in my case), the frequency changes to the "off-value" when the screen was on
Mar 02 08:12:17 <rwhitby> hucksy: the 2.1.0 kernel is more aggressive at power saving than the 1.4.5 kernel
Mar 02 08:12:19 <masterhit> boo!
Mar 02 08:13:08 <hucksy> rwhitby: oh ok
Mar 02 08:13:09 <rwhitby> oil: it seems there are a whole heap of system preferences that different carriers set differently, so we can give people the option of setting the combination that they choose
Mar 02 08:13:22 <masterhit> uberkeernel work perfect on my pre-2.1 . thanks for everybody involved
Mar 02 08:13:56 * masterhit hugs rod
Mar 02 08:14:26 <hucksy> with a fixed speed of 800mhz - no problems
Mar 02 08:14:28 <Robi_> found it in /var/palm/data/com.palm.AppInstallService/
Mar 02 08:14:48 <Robi_> trying sqlite3 to see whats in it
Mar 02 08:16:04 <rwhitby> Robi_: that's the file we fake out to make the app catalog install a signed copy of preware for us
Mar 02 08:16:16 <rwhitby> but it fails for a small percentage of people and we don't know why
Mar 02 08:16:28 <zinge> rwhitby: Just saw your tweet... still need someone to check the show PRL luna-send line?
Mar 02 08:16:37 <rwhitby> so I removed it from the scripts.  people now buy Preware Homebrew Documentation to learn how to install it instead ;)
Mar 02 08:16:42 <rwhitby> zinge: yep
Mar 02 08:16:44 <Robi_> oh so just rename it then
Mar 02 08:16:56 <rwhitby> Robi_: just remove it
Mar 02 08:17:06 <zinge> Uninstalling radio off patch now, I'll check it in a sec
Mar 02 08:18:38 <m-h-k> rwhitby: no we buy it to send some love
Mar 02 08:19:03 <Robi_> done
Mar 02 08:19:08 <rwhitby> m-h-k: and to pay off the boat that oil thinks I bought
Mar 02 08:19:17 <m-h-k> did you? ;)
Mar 02 08:19:25 <zinge> Oops, that was dumb; I didn't check to see what it looked like before the command, but I do have a 'Update PRL' button in Phone prefs if that is what you wanted to know
Mar 02 08:19:29 <m-h-k> you can take me for a cruise next time I am around
Mar 02 08:19:34 <rwhitby> m-h-k: no, a laptop instead
Mar 02 08:19:38 <m-h-k> aw
Mar 02 08:20:09 <rwhitby> m-h-k: the one I'm using right now for this webOS development
Mar 02 08:20:12 <m-h-k> frankly, you & other wois deserve it
Mar 02 08:20:42 <zinge> rwhitby: Yep, the 'Update PRL' section appears after the luna-send
Mar 02 08:20:42 <rwhitby> MBP 2.8G i7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD
Mar 02 08:20:49 <rwhitby> zinge: and does it work?
Mar 02 08:21:24 <cryptk> rwhitby, on my Sprint pre2, it made it show but it reported prov service not available.  I am rebooting phone to see what happens
Mar 02 08:21:33 <zinge> It seems to be hanging. Button changes to 'Cancel  Update' and has the spinning icon.
Mar 02 08:21:50 <zinge> It was never super reliable before though, so I'll let it go for a few minutes and see what happens.
Mar 02 08:21:51 <rwhitby> cryptk: aha, privisioner.  we can fix that I think.
Mar 02 08:22:03 <cryptk> nope, after phone reboot still get no provisioner
Mar 02 08:22:18 <rwhitby> cryptk: ipkg install the provisioner ipk from the sprint 1.4.5 carrier tarball
Mar 02 08:22:45 <rwhitby> you'll need to force it
Mar 02 08:23:09 <cryptk> rwhitby, cool
Mar 02 08:23:13 <zinge> Also, I may be a bad test case, as that Pre is not activated. It was formerly, but the line was switched over to a new phone before I got it.
Mar 02 08:23:32 <m-h-k> those cdma phones and their carrier stuff seems so awkward. i am so spoiled on the euro o2 pre.
Mar 02 08:23:42 <rwhitby> m-h-k: yeah, CDMA is such a mess
Mar 02 08:23:44 <zinge> Still calls Sprint support though, and see the towers fine.
Mar 02 08:24:07 <m-h-k> rwhitby: you must have learned tons about cdma in those years
Mar 02 08:24:24 <rwhitby> m-h-k: which years?
Mar 02 08:24:37 <m-h-k> those tinkering with pres
Mar 02 08:25:18 <m-h-k> like.. tokens and so on
Mar 02 08:25:48 <m-h-k> I just keep reading and watching in awe what ppl have to do.
Mar 02 08:26:00 <rwhitby> oh, the tokens yes.  but I stay away from the modem stuff
Mar 02 08:26:19 <m-h-k> what no modem firmwire patches *snicker*
Mar 02 08:26:25 <m-h-k> that would be fun
Mar 02 08:27:58 <zinge> rwhitby: Still on 'Cancel Update', doesn't look like it's gonna go anywhere.
Mar 02 08:28:12 <zinge> But that may be my lack of an activated line.
Mar 02 08:30:03 <rwhitby> no, I know what the problem is
Mar 02 08:30:38 <zinge> Ok. Lemme know if there's anything else you want me to try.
Mar 02 08:31:57 <rwhitby> do you know how to install carrier tarball packages into the rootfs and write ls2 role files?
Mar 02 08:32:45 <zinge> Nope.
Mar 02 08:33:29 <zinge> Although I'm assuming I can either look it up or follow directions if you'd like. I have plenty of time at the moment.
Mar 02 08:33:54 <rwhitby> zinge: use the meta-doctor scripts/unpack-doctor to unpack the sprint 1.4.5 doctor
Mar 02 08:34:05 <rwhitby> grab the provisioner ipk from the carrier subdur
Mar 02 08:34:11 <rwhitby> put it on /media/internal
Mar 02 08:34:19 <rwhitby> ipkg install -nodeps -force-overwrite <file>
Mar 02 08:34:27 <rwhitby> let me know when you get to there
Mar 02 08:34:30 <zinge> ok
Mar 02 08:37:31 <Robi_> interesting prewareInstaller-1.5.0 only installs the 1.5.0 ipk not a 1.5.4 renamed appropriately
Mar 02 08:37:40 <Robi_> hash/ver check?
Mar 02 08:38:00 <zinge> Done
Mar 02 08:38:02 <rwhitby> that's so you can test upgrade straight away
Mar 02 08:38:02 <zinge> Next?
Mar 02 08:38:20 <rwhitby> run /usr/bin/provisioner
Mar 02 08:38:30 <rwhitby> check /var/log/messages for errors
Mar 02 08:39:01 <zinge> error while loading shared libraries
Mar 02 08:39:08 <zinge> libPmIpcLib.so
Mar 02 08:39:37 <zinge> Cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
Mar 02 08:45:38 <zinge> My 1.4.5 Sprint Pre has the file, the 2.1.0 Sprint Pre does not.
Mar 02 08:46:30 <zinge> Should I copy the library from the doctor to /usr/lib? Or will that not do anything useful
Mar 02 08:48:27 <rwhitby> might as well give it a try
Mar 02 08:52:18 <zinge> libdbus-1.so.3 missing this time
Mar 02 08:54:05 <cryptk> zinge, hold off for a bit, I am working on a slightly less obtrusive meathod...
Mar 02 08:54:15 <zinge> Ok
Mar 02 08:54:24 <cryptk> well, it is less obtrusive in one way, more so in another, but it is easier to undo
Mar 02 08:55:47 <rwhitby> zinge: I suspect you're pulling on a long thread ...
Mar 02 08:56:11 <rwhitby> zinge: I'd back out now, while you still can.
Mar 02 08:56:15 <zinge> Yup. I did.
Mar 02 08:56:37 <zinge> Should I remove provisioner as well? Or leave it for now?
Mar 02 08:56:39 <cryptk> I will eventually make a script to make this easier....
Mar 02 08:56:55 <cryptk> or perhaps we will get Jason to make an installer like he did for flash
Mar 02 08:57:05 <m-h-k> hm, side question: whats the best way to get a decent terminal for novacom under windows? the regular windows cmd/console just sucks when it comes to curses, termcap etc
Mar 02 08:59:14 <rwhitby> use another OS ?
Mar 02 08:59:29 <rwhitby> PuTTY into OpenSSH ?
Mar 02 08:59:40 <rwhitby> zinge: remove everything you installed
Mar 02 08:59:41 <cryptk> VirtualBox with Linux in it...
Mar 02 08:59:54 <zinge> (Putty/ssh) That's what I was doing when I was on windows, it worked decently.
Mar 02 09:00:00 <zinge> rwhitby: ok
Mar 02 09:00:01 <rwhitby> cryptk: virtualbox and novacom don't mix
Mar 02 09:00:21 <m-h-k> putty/openssh it is, then. Thanks.
Mar 02 09:00:33 <cryptk> rwhitby, they do if you set up your USB devices in VirtualBox correctly
Mar 02 09:01:11 <m-h-k> I have tons of Linux machines but real ones and their USB port is nowhere near my Pre ;)
Mar 02 09:04:07 <m-h-k> does the openssh preware package work under 2.1?
Mar 02 09:04:10 <zinge> terminal related question: any idea how to get select-copy-paste working on osx's terminal?
Mar 02 09:05:02 <zinge> I keep thinking I'm at work and selecting text and pasting, only to realize that I have to go back and copy it...
Mar 02 09:11:07 <m-h-k> so I have to put my keys into /var/home/root/.ssh ?
Mar 02 09:12:31 <zinge> ...I don't remember. I always manage to put them in the wrong place and have to move them several times to get it working...
Mar 02 09:12:52 <m-h-k> heh
Mar 02 09:13:11 <cryptk> your pubkey go's in /var/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys methinks
Mar 02 09:14:00 <zinge> And your car keys should probably go in your pocket.
Mar 02 09:14:30 <m-h-k> you are too funny
Mar 02 09:15:05 <zinge> Sorry, long day, haven't had a chance to fill my bad-joke quota.
Mar 02 09:15:19 <m-h-k> it was funny actually
Mar 02 09:16:35 <m-h-k> yay! proper terminal!
Mar 02 09:16:48 * m-h-k junks novacom.
Mar 02 09:18:46 <cryptk> brb
Mar 02 09:20:15 <m-h-k> sshd is only on if I put the device in developer mode?
Mar 02 09:20:54 <rwhitby> m-h-k: no, it's always there if installed from preware
Mar 02 09:21:26 <m-h-k> ok or maybe not if the device goes to sleep
Mar 02 09:22:58 <zinge> I usually connected over USB, I think that kept it awake.
Mar 02 09:23:50 <m-h-k> yeah it drops when the device has been off for a little while
Mar 02 09:24:26 <m-h-k> argh tons of powerd messages flooding my screen ;)
Mar 02 09:30:42 * rwhitby bbl
Mar 02 09:30:53 <rwhitby> m-h-k: there's a patch for that.
Mar 02 09:31:30 <m-h-k> I put it on the touchstone, so it's ok for now
Mar 02 09:31:54 <m-h-k> but thanks for the hint!
Mar 02 09:48:44 <ice8lue> heyho!
Mar 02 09:50:29 <zinge> yo-ho!
Mar 02 09:55:59 <zinge> I'm going to bed. G'nite!
Mar 02 10:08:41 <tek> hello
Mar 02 10:09:12 <Guest29164> hello
Mar 02 10:10:07 <Guest29164> anyone?
Mar 02 10:22:11 <hape_> I got the question in a other forum why we do not switch to a newer Kernel version. I'm right that some closed source modules (beside the time it would cost) are the key problem?
Mar 02 10:23:33 <cryptk> hape_, yes, that would be an issue
Mar 02 10:24:06 <cryptk> but I did mention to HP at SCALE that it would be very nice to have the phone follow the mainstream "stable" kernels with each release.
Mar 02 10:24:39 <hape_> yep
Mar 02 10:24:52 <cryptk> or at least much closer to latest stable... I am ok with being a couple of releases behind, I understand that there is testing etc required before they will push a kernel version out to the masses
Mar 02 10:24:59 <cryptk> but there is no reason we should be as far behind as we are
Mar 02 10:30:33 <jhojho> ive been asking HP about this for months.
Mar 02 10:33:20 <rwhitby> some embedded electronics manufacturers still ship 2.4 kernels ...
Mar 02 11:26:09 <cryptk> rwhitby, I agree, but it would be nice to have closer to current stable than what we have now.
Mar 02 11:44:17 <hape_> how fare we are away?
Mar 02 11:55:01 <cryptk> we are at 2.6.24, mainline stable is 2.6.37
Mar 02 11:58:07 <cryptk> I would like webOS to be in the 30's
Mar 02 12:45:36 <Loudergood> and by closed source modules we mean the gpu driver essentially if I'm not mistaken
Mar 02 12:46:19 <Loudergood> since we've managed to use the open source driver for the wifi hardware
Mar 02 13:19:44 <cryptk> There are other things that are closed source
Mar 02 13:19:50 <cryptk> powerd etc
Mar 02 13:25:24 <masterhit> yaaawn. need more coffee
Mar 02 14:13:32 <PatrickC_Pre> how's it goin?
Mar 02 14:14:26 <SimpsonCH> is there a easy way to scrol left/right in a entry field '?
Mar 02 14:16:26 <PatrickC_Pre> hold down the "Option" button I believe
Mar 02 14:16:41 <PatrickC_Pre> then just move your finger left/right
Mar 02 14:18:12 <SimpsonCH> ack !
Mar 02 14:18:17 <SimpsonCH> thx !
Mar 02 14:18:40 <PatrickC_Pre> np
Mar 02 14:24:08 <cryptk> you can select text the same way but just hold shift instead and swipe left/right
Mar 02 14:33:38 <SimpsonCH> cryptk, that I knew already ;)
Mar 02 15:01:29 <PatrickC_Pre> yay I actually helped someone :)
Mar 02 15:30:13 <PatrickC_Pre> ok my Pixi, most my patches that "aren't" on there keep giving me IPKG error
Mar 02 15:33:20 <SimpsonCH> is there a way to search through the patch descriptions on internet ?
Mar 02 15:34:00 <PatrickC_Pre> I believe http://patches.webos-internals.org has 'em
Mar 02 15:38:58 <bitflung> anyone here try to connect their webos device to a car stereo via usb?  i've got a honda 'usb audio interface' (manufactured by alpine) and it seems it worked with webos 1.4.5 but not with 2.1.0
Mar 02 15:40:33 <RagingMind> I haven't tried since I updated, but it worked with my tape adapter before
Mar 02 15:44:33 <m-h-k> I gave my car an A2DP Bluetooth adapter and been playing back via this since.
Mar 02 15:45:26 <m-h-k> but.. wouldnt it work at least in usb device mode? not that u can use it as a phone then, though
Mar 02 15:46:26 <PatrickC_Pre> don't know
Mar 02 15:46:36 <PatrickC_Pre> don't have a car that has USB anymore :'(
Mar 02 15:56:38 * PatrickC_Pre oil has entered the building
Mar 02 15:59:59 <masterhit> dum di dum
Mar 02 16:00:55 <PatrickC_Pre> la ti da
Mar 02 16:13:39 <djwhitey> PatrickC_Pre: caught up in school yet?
Mar 02 16:13:52 <PatrickC_Pre> somewhat...
Mar 02 16:13:56 <djwhitey> =)
Mar 02 16:14:18 <PatrickC_Pre> yep
Mar 02 16:14:35 <m-h-k> yeah yeah, we are all one hit wonders
Mar 02 16:14:41 <djwhitey> were you able to get stuff setup? or still waiting for access to your 2nd comp
Mar 02 16:15:20 <PatrickC_Pre> still waiting...
Mar 02 16:15:38 <djwhitey> get caught up!
Mar 02 16:15:58 <PatrickC_Pre> I'm tryin
Mar 02 16:16:01 <PatrickC_Pre> lol
Mar 02 16:16:44 <PatrickC_Pre> now that there are people here
Mar 02 16:16:48 <PatrickC_Pre> ok my Pixi, most my patches that "aren't" on there keep giving me IPKG error
Mar 02 16:17:47 <djwhitey> what's the IPKG log say?
Mar 02 16:18:00 <djwhitey> pastebin it if over 2 lines
Mar 02 16:18:39 <PatrickC_Pre> something about "unable to run command*o
Mar 02 16:19:29 <djwhitey> the command it's unable to run might give some insight...
Mar 02 16:19:48 <PatrickC_Pre> pasting now :)
Mar 02 16:20:01 <MetaView> why has no one come up with a solution to play ogg files yet?
Mar 02 16:20:39 <djwhitey> because most people use mp3's. effort vs worth?
Mar 02 16:20:56 <etx`> ogg rules
Mar 02 16:20:58 * djwhitey ducks
Mar 02 16:21:06 <etx`> lol
Mar 02 16:21:19 <etx`> we just wrote a ogg encoder in AS3 at work heheh
Mar 02 16:21:26 <MetaView> half of my files is ogg
Mar 02 16:21:46 <MetaView> now the effort to convert them or recapture them would be not small...
Mar 02 16:21:53 <djwhitey> sounds like you have a glass-half-empty perspective!
Mar 02 16:22:08 <PatrickC_Pre> webos.pastebin.com/0jS5dcCN
Mar 02 16:22:09 <djwhitey> you could script the ogg-mp3 conversion
Mar 02 16:22:17 <PatrickC_Pre> bbl
Mar 02 16:22:30 <MetaView> pfff, I better try to port part...
Mar 02 16:22:50 <MetaView> how is this codec stuff handled? There should be some codec to port over?
Mar 02 16:22:56 <MetaView> what is it based on?
Mar 02 16:24:50 <djwhitey> MetaView: i see you're using trillian. Win or Mac?
Mar 02 16:26:09 <etx`> they have trillian for mac!?
Mar 02 16:26:24 <MetaView> win
Mar 02 16:26:27 <etx`> adium is so good, why would the bother? :)
Mar 02 16:26:32 <djwhitey> i found this re: ogg - http://www.precentral.net/more-audio-codecs-coming-webos-unofficially
Mar 02 16:27:09 <djwhitey> trillian's pretty sweet. i use it for everything but irc
Mar 02 16:27:46 <MetaView> it's nice, all in one app
Mar 02 16:29:52 <etx`> Working at home on my mac is so nice, I hate windows :(
Mar 02 16:30:11 <djwhitey> this looks like it'll batch your ogg->mp3 (for free): http://www.freemp3wmaconverter.com/freemp3wmaoggconverter/index.html
Mar 02 16:30:30 <djwhitey> just opt-out of the ad-supported stuff it prompts for during install
Mar 02 16:30:59 <MetaView> hm
Mar 02 16:31:07 <MetaView> you don't like ogg, don't you :)
Mar 02 16:33:25 <djwhitey> fine. http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1981&Itemid=337#audio
Mar 02 16:36:09 <MetaView> ah, right
Mar 02 16:37:25 <djwhitey> and the precentral thread about adding ogg/flac support via patch, but I can't find his code for it:http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/230318-additional-filetype-support-testing-flac-ogg-gsmwav.html
Mar 02 16:38:12 <djwhitey> seems like the guy who did that patch hasn't been on the forum since: Last Activity: 08/14/2010 04:12 PM
Mar 02 16:39:11 <MetaView> btw, Mix_LoadMUS doesn't support ogg on webos
Mar 02 16:39:32 <MetaView> and in gstreamer there is no ogg codec
Mar 02 16:41:05 <djwhitey> ffplay maybe? i saw its developer saying he'd add it in if Prenosticator shared his work
Mar 02 16:44:44 <MetaView> I only have ffmpeg on my Pre2
Mar 02 16:50:12 <bitflung> *grumble* work took my afk - sorry i left the usb audio related commentary just as ppl were responding
Mar 02 16:50:53 <bitflung> yeah, connecting via usb prevents the phone from being used (i still don't understand a technical reason for this, i didnt expect it)
Mar 02 16:51:46 <bitflung> as i dont have a2dp in my car, and the usb connector is pleasantly right in the arm rest (with a holder for a phone built right in) i want to use it
Mar 02 16:52:27 <RagingMind> but you have to put your phone in usb drive mode for it to work?
Mar 02 16:52:31 <bitflung> it also integrates full control functions form the head unit - so skipping tracks and getting artist/album/track info on the display is all supported
Mar 02 16:53:11 <djwhitey> tradeoff is no phone functionality while in usb mode. but it worked in 1.4.5?
Mar 02 16:53:36 <bitflung> well, before upgrading to webos 2.1.0, it worked (though i only had the ohone for 4 hours before upgrading, so i don't recall if i had to be in usb drive mode or not) but AFTER upgrading: the stereo simply says 'unsupported device' and the pre doesn't offer usb drive mode at all
Mar 02 16:54:51 <bitflung> this is my first webos device (got it for dev work) and i upgraded to 2.1.0 almost immediately - but i did plug in the pre once to the car pre-upgrade and before putting music on it; i had all sorts of ringtones playing in my car
Mar 02 16:55:05 <hape_> bitflung: the tecnical reason is that all the apps write there data to the usb drive. Only one operating system cann access a disk partition at the time. The PC os or webOS. So to offer the disk to the PC via usb webos needs tu unmount it and can not use it.
Mar 02 16:55:37 <bitflung> i'm thinking the issue might be that mediasync has been removed?  perhaps the stereo used to think it was an ipod, and now it isn't fooled anymore?
Mar 02 16:56:15 <djwhitey> SYM+ORNG+U will manually put your phone in USB mode
Mar 02 16:56:58 <RagingMind> I forgot about media sync... but did media sync actually export/offer up your ringtones?
Mar 02 16:57:28 <bitflung> hape_: yeah, i get that bit - but there is a common work around (at least on nokia devices, the platform i'm migrating away from):  nokia called it PC Suite Mode, essentially an app on the phone emulated raw disk access over USB, arbitrating disk access between the host (webos here) and the guest (pc, car stereo, etc)
Mar 02 16:58:00 <RagingMind> I thought media sync just allowed iTunes to write it's database to the phone, so if you hadn't used itunes to do that... I'd think there wouldn't be anything there
Mar 02 16:58:33 <bitflung> RagingMind: i played ringtones via usb audio; can't state that it was mediasync making this happen though, as i didn't pay much attention.  i'd had the phone for all of an hour before testing in the car and seeing it work.
Mar 02 16:58:35 <Davide-NYC> If I run the new meta-doctor script with the --wifi-only option what exactly does that do?
Mar 02 16:59:00 <djwhitey> Davide-NYC: skips first-use and activation i believe
Mar 02 16:59:13 <bitflung> Davide-NYC: it allows you to activate over wifi and i think disables the cdma/gsm radios entirely
Mar 02 16:59:52 <Davide-NYC> it deactivate the phone radios? That would be bad.
Mar 02 17:00:01 <RagingMind> not sure if it disables the radios, but for cdma devices it does skip updating the firmware
Mar 02 17:00:44 <bitflung> Davide-NYC: i could be wrong, i read on that briefly before opting to get an at&t sim for activation; somewhere in the wiki lead me to believe that would be the case though.  i'll look if i can find that bit again
Mar 02 17:00:53 <djwhitey> if [ "$1" = "--wifi-only" ] ; then
Mar 02 17:00:53 <djwhitey> ARGS="BYPASS_ACTIVATION=1 BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP=1 DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE=1"
Mar 02 17:01:19 <Davide-NYC> djwhitey: where do you see that? That's the file I want to modify.
Mar 02 17:01:23 <bitflung> ahh, modem update is disabled, not the whole radio itself
Mar 02 17:01:32 <bitflung> *grep*
Mar 02 17:01:56 * Davide-NYC must learn how to use the command line more better
Mar 02 17:02:00 <djwhitey> Davide-NYC: i found it in scripts/new-meta-sprint-pre2-2.0.1
Mar 02 17:02:08 <Davide-NYC> thanks
Mar 02 17:02:10 <djwhitey> , but it's likely in the others as well
Mar 02 17:02:41 <bitflung> from CLI:   cd ~/meta-doctor ; grep -ri "ARGS=BYPASS_ACTIVATION=1" *
Mar 02 17:02:58 <djwhitey> yea it's in scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 as well
Mar 02 17:02:59 <bitflung> (the '*' at the end is important)
Mar 02 17:03:18 <djwhitey> grep for wifi-only =)
Mar 02 17:03:31 <bitflung> djwhitey: good point
Mar 02 17:04:18 <djwhitey> ew i'm getting a ton of "No such file or directory" doing that
Mar 02 17:04:41 <bitflung> is it possible that webos 2.1.0 changed the DEV_ID presented via usb, and the car stereo now doesn't bother trying to connect?
Mar 02 17:04:53 <djwhitey> do it from the meta-doctor/scripts directory instead
Mar 02 17:05:10 <djwhitey> looks like it's in all of them
Mar 02 17:06:27 <bitflung> *wondering if, assuming 2.1.0 changed the dev_id, what would be the harm in changing it back...?*
Mar 02 17:07:17 <djwhitey> bitflung: it might 9.9.9 your palm profile (no paid apps in catalog)?
Mar 02 17:07:38 <bitflung> hrm - bummer
Mar 02 17:07:49 <RagingMind> the dev id that comes over USB shouldn't effect your profile at all
Mar 02 17:08:35 <bitflung> RagingMind: i like that perspective - i'm gonna hunt a bit, see if i can't prove/disprove that the dev_id changed
Mar 02 17:08:41 <RagingMind> and the dev id is to identify hardware so I doubt they'd change it with a software update
Mar 02 17:09:01 <RagingMind> bitflung, pre or pre+?
Mar 02 17:09:10 <Davide-NYC> Another question: On a "meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 --wifi-onnly" VZW Pre Minus, is Preware aware that you are in fact running 2.1.0 even though you are spoofing as 1.4.5
Mar 02 17:09:21 <bitflung> RagingMind: true enough, though that is the only reason i can think of for the car stereo to reject the pre post-upgrade in this fashion.
Mar 02 17:09:26 <RagingMind> well... actually... what's the exact model number?
Mar 02 17:09:36 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone
Mar 02 17:09:52 * NuttyBunny updates the spanish version of the webOS 2.0 upgrade wiki :)
Mar 02 17:09:53 <RagingMind> Davide-NYC, Vzw pre- ?
Mar 02 17:10:07 <djwhitey> woops thought you were talking about the masq'ing stuff
Mar 02 17:10:14 <Davide-NYC> RagingMind: Yeah, it's the remnants of a CommBoard swap.
Mar 02 17:10:17 <bitflung> RagingMind: of my pre?  i dunno (it's in usb mode atm getting ~10GB of music) - it's a pre plus for at&t (unlocked)
Mar 02 17:10:54 <RagingMind> Davide-NYC, if you follow the wiki page it tells you how to unmasq it for preware
Mar 02 17:11:17 <Davide-NYC> Got it.
Mar 02 17:11:27 <djwhitey> step5
Mar 02 17:11:44 <bitflung> RagingMind: would the exact model # really help?  i'll kill the music xfer and check it...
Mar 02 17:11:48 <djwhitey> don't forget 6 either
Mar 02 17:12:18 <RagingMind> bitflung, I wouldn't kill the transfer
Mar 02 17:12:36 <bitflung> ok
Mar 02 17:12:46 <RagingMind> but if you know the exact model # then you can ask around for someone in here with the same one and have them check the dev id
Mar 02 17:12:57 <bitflung> good point
Mar 02 17:13:26 <RagingMind> I'm not sure if the dev id was different for the different variations of pre/pre+ from different carriers
Mar 02 17:14:35 <bitflung> my thinking is this: the dev_id actually has two parts: vendor_id and device_id.  webos 2.1.0 might have changed the vendor_id from Palm to HP.  that could be enough to make the stereo fail its init routine for checking device support...
Mar 02 17:15:31 <RagingMind> are you on windows or linux?
Mar 02 17:16:00 <NuttyBunny> what are we talking about?
Mar 02 17:16:24 <RagingMind> I'm on 2.1 with my pre+ and lsusb still identifies it as Palm
Mar 02 17:16:27 <bitflung> RagingMind: me?  macosx
Mar 02 17:16:49 <RagingMind> my pre+ with 2.1 is 0830:8002
Mar 02 17:16:57 <Davide-NYC> How do I create a palm profile if I've built a doctor with the --wifi-only option? I don't have access to the first use app.
Mar 02 17:17:06 <m-h-k> Raging: doesn't USB just tranmit the IDs and the local conversion to strings is done within lsusb?
Mar 02 17:17:10 <Davide-NYC> (sorry if that's an uber-noob question)
Mar 02 17:17:11 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, trying to figure out why his car stereo liked 1.4.5 and doesn't like 2.1
Mar 02 17:17:26 <bitflung> 0830 is the palm vendor id
Mar 02 17:17:32 <m-h-k> Davide: Erase and restart
Mar 02 17:17:49 <NuttyBunny> oh, weird...
Mar 02 17:18:04 <Davide-NYC> m-h-k: are you sure?
Mar 02 17:18:04 <nebula> hmm, my car shows device error too :(
Mar 02 17:18:31 <RagingMind> apparently Developer mode changes the device id
Mar 02 17:18:32 <bitflung> RagingMind: so, 0830 is the palm vendor id, so HP didn't change that.  i really thought i was onto something here :(
Mar 02 17:18:43 <bitflung> nebula: and your stereo did like 1.4.5?
Mar 02 17:18:49 <RagingMind> bitflung, do you have it in devmode now? did you have it in devmode before?
Mar 02 17:18:57 <bitflung> nebula: what sort of stereo?  Honda/Accura/Alpine?
Mar 02 17:18:58 <scoinva> my battery life is much better now that I'm on 2.1. I wonder if the drive defrag helped.
Mar 02 17:19:15 <m-h-k> davide: let me think.. I think I misunderstood you. You want to use the Pre on Wifi only but with a Palm profile
Mar 02 17:19:23 <nebula> bitflung: nissan
Mar 02 17:19:33 <m-h-k> davide: so you built it with --wifi-only and now you want to Log into your Palm profile?
Mar 02 17:19:42 <bitflung> RagingMind: interesting question.  i'm guessing it was not in dev mode before (got it from ebay - did almost nothing with it before updating to 2.1) but it IS in dev mode now
Mar 02 17:19:56 <bitflung> i'll try taking out of dev mode and testing the car again over lunch
Mar 02 17:20:11 <RagingMind> not devmode: 0830:8004  and in dev mode 0830:8002
Mar 02 17:20:25 <nebula> um, that shouldn't matter then.. should it?
Mar 02 17:20:26 <bitflung> nebula: interesting - do you know if nissan uses alpine for the electronics (honda/accura does)
Mar 02 17:20:28 <nebula> oh duh
Mar 02 17:20:38 <nebula> i think they use panasonic
Mar 02 17:20:55 <RagingMind> nebula, it depends on how his stereo identifies devices on it's USB interface
Mar 02 17:21:02 <nebula> RagingMind: yup
Mar 02 17:21:20 <RagingMind> bitflung, the good news is that if it is dev mode, on 2.1 you don't have to reboot to enable/disable it :)
Mar 02 17:21:25 <nebula> i love that
Mar 02 17:21:32 <m-h-k> me too
Mar 02 17:21:35 <m-h-k> so much easier
Mar 02 17:21:38 <bitflung> RagingMind: thanks for that - i'll def. try disabling dev mode.  nebula: panasonic, eh?  maybe alpine and panasonic both use the same limited device_id sets...
Mar 02 17:22:16 <nebula> bitflung: i'm sure it's probably expecting some kind of apple - bastards
Mar 02 17:22:17 <bitflung> RagingMind: really?  hah that's great - i hope it works with dev mode disabled
Mar 02 17:22:27 <nebula> i'll try that too, with my nissan
Mar 02 17:22:33 <m-h-k> davide: try opening the Gesture app.. not sure what it is called on the English pre -- the one that is supposed to teach you Gestures. Hopefully it will run you through "first use" and let you connect to your Palm profile.
Mar 02 17:22:47 <RagingMind> bitflung, on 1.4.5 you'd have to reboot every time, which I imagine would be a pain if you're using the phone for dev work and for music in your car
Mar 02 17:23:08 <RagingMind> *if* this is the case... I"m super curious now :)
Mar 02 17:23:16 <Davide-NYC> m-h-k: exactly
Mar 02 17:23:30 <bitflung> nebula: yeah - the compatiblity list (most official version i can find after 6 months of diging and contacting support) is, "current iOS devices, iPods, USB Thumbdrives, and some USB capable MP3 Players"
Mar 02 17:23:39 <nebula> bleh
Mar 02 17:23:53 <Davide-NYC> m-h-k: thank you That worked.
Mar 02 17:24:16 <bitflung> RagingMind: i'll be sure to let you know post-testing if this fixed it then :)
Mar 02 17:24:36 <RagingMind> not that I have such a fancy car... I just use my tape adapter ;)
Mar 02 17:24:54 <RagingMind> what actually work amazingly well... phone calls with the tape adapter in my car with my pre
Mar 02 17:25:10 <bitflung> nebula: yes, bleh indeed.  and the one ipod i own is one of those old 8GB minis... and it isn't even supported! hah!
Mar 02 17:25:42 <RagingMind> it plays out over the stereo and the mic works really well, the other people hear me perfectly.  kinda like a super big speaker phone mode
Mar 02 17:25:50 <m-h-k> davide: on 2.1, the Gesture app = First Use app if it has not been set up before
Mar 02 17:26:44 <Davide-NYC> m-h-k: Yes. It's called the Gesture Tutorial. I just created a profile successfully. Thanks.
Mar 02 17:26:58 <bitflung> RagingMind: i used to do that in my old insight - i have an A2DP adapter hooked up to a tape-adapter and had wireless music + handsfree calling in my car.  new insight has an aux port, so i COULD do the same thing... but i'd rather go this route so i have charging in the car as well as controls + data on the display
Mar 02 17:27:20 <RagingMind> now all I need is to setup my spare touchstone in my car...  I"ve been thinking about getting one of those window mounts for a Pre and hacking it together with my spare touchstone
Mar 02 17:27:51 <bitflung> RagingMind: why hack a window mount + touchstone?
Mar 02 17:28:14 <RagingMind> so that it charges and would be in the right place to use it as navigation
Mar 02 17:28:27 <bitflung> ahh - for the charging bit, of course
Mar 02 17:28:37 <RagingMind> I have a 1 cord attention span
Mar 02 17:28:43 <bitflung> well said
Mar 02 17:29:04 <RagingMind> so I already have to fiddle with the tape deck cord... I don't wanna have to fiddle with the charging cord too
Mar 02 17:29:40 <m-h-k> davide: You're welcome. I am sorry I misunderstood you first. I was mixing it up with the question "I doctored with --wifi-only, and now I want to use a carrier." In that case, you have to Erase/Reset.
Mar 02 17:29:53 <RagingMind> and the touchstone auto puts the pre into speaker mode, so unless I wanted to put it though the car speakers it would *just work*
Mar 02 17:30:48 <bitflung> you would have hated my original setup in the old insight: nokia n95 propped up on a business card holder that was super glued to one of those sticky-mats for cars - with the 2mm charger plugged in as well as the 1/8" headphone jack to the tape adapter... cords duck-taped to the dash and the phone falling out of the holder on every bump... it was sorta pretty in a horrific sort of way...
Mar 02 17:31:13 <RagingMind> http://www.geekalerts.com/bluetooth-cassette-tape-adapter/
Mar 02 17:31:18 <m-h-k> I couldn't get the touchstone to charge in the car. Although I made sure I use a 1A charger and it has the USB data line crossover. When connected through a USB cable, the Pre goes into "fast charging" mode.
Mar 02 17:31:20 <RagingMind> omg ^ that would make it perfect
Mar 02 17:31:27 <m-h-k> Just the Touchstone refuses to work. :(
Mar 02 17:31:28 <bitflung> RagingMind: get it!
Mar 02 17:32:08 <bitflung> RagingMind: i've seen those online before, but never been able to find anyone selling them
Mar 02 17:32:21 <bitflung> (been a couple years since i looked, hope you have better luck)
Mar 02 17:32:42 <RagingMind> bluetooth 1.2?
Mar 02 17:32:47 <bitflung> (i should learn to scroll down more: sale links are in that website you linked to)
Mar 02 17:32:57 <RagingMind> should work, but would that limit available controls or something?
Mar 02 17:33:01 <m-h-k> that BT cassette adapter is sleek. I didn't know such a thing existed :)
Mar 02 17:33:16 <bitflung> 1.2 is fine i bet - i think the spec differences don't affect A2DP or AVCRP
Mar 02 17:33:33 <RagingMind> neither of the sales links work
Mar 02 17:33:34 <m-h-k> bitflung, as long as it has A2DP you're fine
Mar 02 17:35:41 <bitflung> (10GB of music transferred - lunch break can't get here fast enough)
Mar 02 17:35:49 <RagingMind> it looks like it needs a charger though... would be cooler if it used the spinning from the tape deck to power it
Mar 02 17:36:13 <RagingMind> :(  from an ebay auction "This item does NOT support A2DP"
Mar 02 17:36:39 <m-h-k> that sucks... what's it good for then
Mar 02 17:36:51 <m-h-k> cranky mono audio only??
Mar 02 17:38:08 <bitflung> bummer
Mar 02 17:38:19 <RagingMind> so it looks like my 10 year old tape adapter is really the superior solution
Mar 02 17:38:56 <m-h-k> well, not so many people still have tape slots in their dashboards nowadays, I guess
Mar 02 17:39:20 <m-h-k> In a few years, CDs will have disappeared as well
Mar 02 17:40:15 <bitflung> well - ok so hack one together.  get an A2DP adapter like this: http://bit.ly/gRLOeQ , pull the guts out and stick them into a generic tape-adapter... and voilla!
Mar 02 17:40:17 <RagingMind> I prefer the tape deck over a cd player that lacks an aux input
Mar 02 17:40:48 <m-h-k> yeah Raging, I know what you mean
Mar 02 17:41:26 <m-h-k> I had to open up the whole dashboard of my Honda Civic (Euro version) to get to the back of the Radio and plug an aux-to-cd-changer adaptor in
Mar 02 17:41:28 <RagingMind> bitflung, that could be fun, and it'd be right up with the hacked touchstone that I"m planning
Mar 02 17:41:50 <m-h-k> it was almost a day's work.. 6 hours or so just to get that plug in and reassemble the whole dash...
Mar 02 17:42:29 <m-h-k> but at least now I have 3.5mm jack right at the center console, right where iPods and stuff rest ;)
Mar 02 17:42:44 <bitflung> RagingMind: if you do it, try to leave room for a small tape-drive-based charging solution... you know, so you can add that for rev2 :)
Mar 02 17:43:10 <RagingMind> I do have a few spare tape adapters.... :)
Mar 02 17:43:10 <m-h-k> nowadays I just plug a little A2DP-to-3.5mm adaptor in there, and then I am set.
Mar 02 17:43:45 <m-h-k> Sony Ericcson MWM-600 I think it is
Mar 02 17:45:36 <bitflung> m-h-k: nice - my a2dp adapter is unbranded... my wife ordered it from one of those china-based phone-cloning companies i think.  works well, but i had to open it up and replace a few resistors: the LEDs were SOO BRIGHT i couldn't use it at night.  these days it sits discharged in my cubicle, since i got the new car and have been trying for the usb approach ...
Mar 02 17:47:50 <m-h-k> the MWM-600 is actually a handsfree adaptor, it includes a mike and an FM tuner. really nice with the Pre (since it has no FM radio itself). You just plug any 3.5mm headphone into it and clip it to your chest and you have BT handsfree. In the car, I just plug it to the AUX-IN and I have A2DP music and car handsfree through the car speakers.
Mar 02 17:48:37 <m-h-k> it's something like EUR 60 or so and just works. The only disadvantage in the car is that you cannot use it while it is charging. So better start a long drive fully charged.
Mar 02 17:50:18 <RagingMind> http://lug.mtu.edu/mu/20494
Mar 02 17:51:35 <bitflung> m-h-k: ahh - mine also has the mic but no FM - directions claimed that it wouldn't work while charging, but i found the issue was just that the ports were too close together, so i cobbled a specialty usb cable to charge it while using it.  i left it in the car, always hooked up, so even if the battery died it'd be good to go about 3 mintutes into any drive.  just left the phone in my pocket, pressed play on the adapt
Mar 02 17:51:36 <bitflung> bingo, music and handsfree.
Mar 02 17:52:06 <m-h-k> bitflung: nice
Mar 02 17:52:15 <RagingMind> bitflung, I think the one you linked to goes the other way... takes audio in the cable and transmits it out
Mar 02 17:52:55 <bitflung> m-h-k: most ppl would have hated my aesthetically displeasing array of wires though.  i clipped the a2dp adapter to my visor so the mic was nearby... had a usb cable and headphone cable dangling around the rearview and taped down onto the dash... overall it worked great but was ugly as sin
Mar 02 17:53:18 <bitflung> RagingMind: oh, sorry - umm, don't get that one then :)
Mar 02 17:53:20 <m-h-k> bitflung: omg :)
Mar 02 17:53:36 <RagingMind> but none of these things are all that clearly described
Mar 02 17:54:07 <bitflung> ok - lunch time - i'm off for a bit.  i'll be back in an hour and let you know if dev_mode was the problem all along
Mar 02 17:54:08 <m-h-k> I managed to run all wires behind the dash and under the center console. Just near the gearstick the 3.5mm cable pops out through a little slit.
Mar 02 17:54:28 <m-h-k> good luck bitflung
Mar 02 17:54:53 <m-h-k> hm Raging, I am actually looking for an A2DP sender currently
Mar 02 17:55:51 <RagingMind> m-h-k, I *think* that's what the one bitflug linked to does
Mar 02 17:55:53 <bitflung> AWAY lunch
Mar 02 17:56:22 <m-h-k> I have these nice BT headphones (Jabra Halo) and I want to use it in my living room with the stereo
Mar 02 17:56:30 <m-h-k> what was the link again?
Mar 02 18:02:27 <RagingMind> m-h-k, http://bit.ly/gRLOeQ
Mar 02 18:03:25 <m-h-k> thanks raging
Mar 02 18:04:00 <m-h-k> yeah that's a sender
Mar 02 18:04:19 <RagingMind> there are also a couple much more expensive ones on newegg
Mar 02 18:04:35 <m-h-k> I need to find them in Europe though
Mar 02 18:04:52 <RagingMind> silly across the pond shopping
Mar 02 18:05:04 <m-h-k> yeah usually too much shipping and tax charges
Mar 02 18:05:17 <m-h-k> makes no sense for $28
Mar 02 18:08:05 <RagingMind> anyone else that has 2.1 on their pre have an issue with the Data Transfer thing always popping up?
Mar 02 18:08:24 <RagingMind> every time I come out of usb drive mode
Mar 02 18:14:28 <Davide-NYC> Just FYI: I built a VZW PrePlus Doctor with the --wifi-only option. After logging into my WiFi network and creating a new profile the First Run app froze after the "Enable Location" screen. Not sure if that means anything.
Mar 02 18:14:48 <Davide-NYC> Also, I installed said doctor onto a Pre- (not a Pre+)
Mar 02 18:20:47 <RagingMind> Davide-NYC, I heard something about that... did you reboot the phone?
Mar 02 18:22:10 <Davide-NYC> yes, app catalog comes up. What app should I install that free and works on bot 1.4.5 and 2.1.0?
Mar 02 18:22:17 <Davide-NYC> *both
Mar 02 18:23:41 <RagingMind> pretty much any of them that are free
Mar 02 18:27:03 <scoinva> RagingMind: The only app I haven't been able to find free is a LED Light but I'm sure it's on it's way.
Mar 02 18:27:56 <scoinva> RagingMind: You now have to pay for the killer music player, Remix Homebrew.
Mar 02 18:28:35 <scoinva> RagingMind: Voice recording isn't free yet but I should be on it's way. Of course a paid version exist called Voices. :)
Mar 02 18:29:06 <Davide-NYC> can I purchase Preware Homebrew Documentation on this combo?
Mar 02 18:32:09 <m-h-k> Raging: what data transfer thing?
Mar 02 18:33:24 <RagingMind> m-h-k, it's comes up asking where i want to put my data... palm profile or sim card
Mar 02 18:33:35 <RagingMind> *every* time I come out of usb drive mode
Mar 02 18:33:36 <m-h-k> scoinva: Music Remix is totally worth it
Mar 02 18:33:54 <m-h-k> Raging: wow, I _never_ had that question
Mar 02 18:34:27 <m-h-k> Raging: do you only have Palm profile and SIM or other accounts as well?
Mar 02 18:34:48 <m-h-k> I have a Google account marked as my main account... but I thought that mark is for emails only
Mar 02 18:35:00 <RagingMind> I'm on verizon... no sim
Mar 02 18:35:21 <halfhalo> sim cards? psh!
Mar 02 18:35:28 <m-h-k> Raging, hm, did you doctor anything that's close to a WR phone?
Mar 02 18:35:47 <RagingMind> I"m waiting a few more days or a week to make sure all the kinks are worked out, then I'm gonna doctor again with the new-meta script
Mar 02 18:35:57 <RagingMind> supposedly it takes out the SIM stuff from the wr
Mar 02 18:36:25 <m-h-k> Raging, that's on a Pre- or Pre+?
Mar 02 18:36:47 <RagingMind> verizon CDMA pre+
Mar 02 18:37:39 <Davide-NYC> SO I was able to download Accuweather from App Catalog and Purchase Preware Homebrew Documentation through App Catalog.
Mar 02 18:37:51 <m-h-k> when you go out of data transfer mode, does the phone reboot first or just come back to the card view immediately?
Mar 02 18:38:07 <m-h-k> davide: sounds good!
Mar 02 18:38:09 <Davide-NYC> Question is, why wouldn't you flash the modem during a --wifi-only meta-doctor build?
Mar 02 18:38:20 <m-h-k> davide: why would you
Mar 02 18:38:33 <RagingMind> it comes back to card view... and after a few moments that thing pops up
Mar 02 18:38:39 <RagingMind> Davide-NYC, you can always flash it manually
Mar 02 18:39:09 <Davide-NYC> Because I want a phone that *could* be used on the VZW network but is activated through wifi first.
Mar 02 18:40:03 <m-h-k> Davide: then you have to build without --wifi-only, and I believe you HAVE to run first use through the network, because otherwise it will not be activated.
Mar 02 18:40:22 <m-h-k> I believe there is no way to activate it later.
Mar 02 18:40:26 <Davide-NYC> What I'm getting at is, if I remove the "DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE=1" in the meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 script under the wifi-only section, can I do any harm?
Mar 02 18:40:50 <Davide-NYC> Really?
Mar 02 18:40:59 <m-h-k> I don't think it does any harm, but I am not sure if you can activate later.
Mar 02 18:41:12 <m-h-k> You will have to go Erase/Reset
Mar 02 18:41:39 <Davide-NYC> That's fine. I just don't want to have to reflash the phone.
Mar 02 18:42:34 <m-h-k> Sounds like that should work.
Mar 02 18:42:57 <m-h-k> Disclaimer: I am using GSM EU Pres only, I have no experience with US phones.
Mar 02 18:43:23 <m-h-k> To us here, "activation" = "put a SIM in the phone" :)
Mar 02 18:43:29 <RagingMind> installed uber kernel... rebooted... and now I can't get usb drive mode to work with my computer
Mar 02 18:43:50 <Davide-NYC> Sounds so much easier. But Sprint is much cheaper than ATT over here.
Mar 02 18:43:54 <RagingMind> phone starts charging, but I never get an option on the pre for drive mode/just charge
Mar 02 18:44:06 <m-h-k> Raging: now something is weird on yours..  I can confirm Uberkernel und USB mode work fine here
Mar 02 18:44:12 <RagingMind> oh! there it is!  wow... that took over a minute
Mar 02 18:44:46 <RagingMind> activating... ejecting...
Mar 02 18:44:57 <m-h-k> Raging: maybe your computer's USB is confused?
Mar 02 18:45:00 <RagingMind> and Pop!  I have a "Data Transfer" card
Mar 02 18:45:36 <m-h-k> Raging: well, time to insert your SIM ;D
Mar 02 18:46:20 <NuttyBunny> pfff. that's it!  Spanish version of the wiki updated! :D
Mar 02 18:46:47 <m-h-k> gracias nutty ;)
Mar 02 18:47:50 <NuttyBunny> De nada! :)   So much changed since I translated the first time... but now it's ready :D
Mar 02 18:57:33 <Davide-NYC> My test phone is now completely dead.
Mar 02 18:58:03 <m-h-k> what did you do
Mar 02 18:58:15 <Davide-NYC> I walked away.
Mar 02 18:58:45 <Davide-NYC> Last thing I did was purchase Preware Homebrew Documentation from the App catalog.
Mar 02 18:59:00 <Davide-NYC> I have yet to re-masq.
Mar 02 18:59:13 <m-h-k> So it is showing a black screen?
Mar 02 18:59:15 <Davide-NYC> I had not yet started Step 5 in the instrucitons.
Mar 02 18:59:17 <Davide-NYC> yes
Mar 02 18:59:26 <Davide-NYC> and it's getting hot
Mar 02 18:59:48 <m-h-k> so I take it you cannot turn it on using the power switch
Mar 02 18:59:54 <Davide-NYC> nope
Mar 02 19:00:14 <m-h-k> hold power and flip the mute switch three times forth and back
Mar 02 19:00:23 <m-h-k> that should reset and reboot
Mar 02 19:00:30 <NuttyBunny> Or just pull the battery and usb cable :)
Mar 02 19:00:51 <RagingMind> I want it to be warm outside so I can go play with my pre's gps
Mar 02 19:00:51 <m-h-k> Nutty: yeah, I just don't like the hassle with getting the back cover off
Mar 02 19:01:03 <Davide-NYC> It's coming back. Any ideas what that was about?
Mar 02 19:01:20 <m-h-k> It's coming back without you rebooting it or you mean after reboot?
Mar 02 19:01:42 <Davide-NYC> After instantiating a reboot via PowerHold and Mute switch 3 times
Mar 02 19:01:58 <m-h-k> Are you running the stock kernel?
Mar 02 19:02:06 <NuttyBunny> Davide-NYC: did it just lock up by itself??
Mar 02 19:02:10 <Davide-NYC> Liking the WebOS-Internals logo!
Mar 02 19:02:12 <Davide-NYC> NuttyBunny: yes
Mar 02 19:02:18 <halfhalo> heh
Mar 02 19:03:00 <Davide-NYC> I intend to get through the entire process on my VZWPre- before trying it on my SprintPre+
Mar 02 19:07:36 <NuttyBunny> Mine (the Plus) only does it if I set it to 250Mhz or below :)
Mar 02 19:20:52 <Davide-NYC> Suggestion or Question: shouldn't the palm-build-info and palm-build-info-unmasqed be in the build directory for the specific script build?
Mar 02 19:23:46 <Davide-NYC> The idea being that a user could be building for multiple target devices and doesn't want to lose the previous palm-build-info-unmasqed files.
Mar 02 19:26:20 <djwhitey> mine got left in the meta-doctor directory
Mar 02 19:27:04 <Davide-NYC> excatly. I'm suggesting it be moved by default to somewhere in the script build directory/
Mar 02 19:27:05 <djwhitey> I used meta-sprint though, your mileage may differ
Mar 02 19:27:15 <Davide-NYC> I used meta-verizon
Mar 02 19:27:35 <djwhitey> if it gets left in the build directory, a 'make clobber' will zap it
Mar 02 19:28:11 <djwhitey> which means each subsequent meta-* run will remove it
Mar 02 19:28:41 <djwhitey> b/c every meta-* script does a 'make clobber' to clean the build directory out
Mar 02 19:29:35 <Davide-NYC> then maybe these unmasq files should be saved their own directory be named in a more communicative manner.
Mar 02 19:41:23 <joeb_> what up all
Mar 02 19:50:38 <joeb_> wow
Mar 02 19:50:41 <joeb_> i can't connect to google.com
Mar 02 19:50:43 <joeb_> yet im on irc
Mar 02 19:50:44 <joeb_> 0_o
Mar 02 19:56:01 <dtzWill> joeb_: dns down?
Mar 02 19:56:12 <joeb_> dtzWill-  im at super 8 lol
Mar 02 19:56:24 <dtzWill> so...no?
Mar 02 19:56:24 <dtzWill> lol
Mar 02 19:56:25 <joeb_> dtzWill- im on there wifi .. i can irc but not google
Mar 02 19:58:57 <bitflung> RagingMind: yo - you were right!  turning off dev-mode made my pre+ work in my car again
Mar 02 20:00:30 <shades> turning off devmode?
Mar 02 20:00:37 <shades> why would palm not want you to develop in your car
Mar 02 20:00:38 <shades> that's ridiuclous
Mar 02 20:02:43 <bitflung> shades: sure, you think it's crazy, but i've heard rumors that segfaults at high speed are very dangerous
Mar 02 20:03:24 <shades> pfff
Mar 02 20:03:43 <shades> texting and driving shouldn't be made more difficult. If anything it should be made easier
Mar 02 20:03:49 <bitflung> shades: disabling dev-mode fixes an issue where the 'usb audio connector' to my car stereo refused to connect to the pre+.  now if only i could connect and listen to music without disabling its use as a phone...
Mar 02 20:03:51 <shades> because i'm going to do it anyway
Mar 02 20:04:07 <shades> yeah that pisses me off too
Mar 02 20:04:10 <shades> the g2 isn't like that 8 /
Mar 02 20:04:20 <shades> and i just had my g2 stolen and work is trying to give me a pos replacement instead
Mar 02 20:04:23 <shades> i'm going to refuse to use it
Mar 02 20:04:30 <bitflung> neither is any nokia device (i'm migrating from nokia dev work to webos)
Mar 02 20:04:31 <shades> and of course nobody is going to care until the week that i'm on call
Mar 02 20:04:37 <shades> when I can't do my fucking job afterhours
Mar 02 20:04:55 <bitflung> what do you do?
Mar 02 20:05:16 <shades> "oh snap, the internet at my house went out, /IF ONLY I HAD A G2 I COULD TEATHER!/, but I was given a pos phone with not even exchange e-mail push. Critical e-mail comes in? I'm not getting it! that's for sure!!
Mar 02 20:05:25 <shades> technical support engineer for a subcontractor
Mar 02 20:05:44 <ajmccue> can anyone help with editing my preware feeds
Mar 02 20:06:03 <bitflung> what's wrong with your feeds ajmccue ?
Mar 02 20:06:18 <m-h-k> ajmccue: sure, send over your pre and I will edit them for you
Mar 02 20:06:57 <ajmccue> i installed webos 2.1 on my legacy, but cant seem to get any of the patches from preware. i think it is because my device is recognised as 1.4.5
Mar 02 20:07:15 <m-h-k> ajmccue: you did not do step 5 of the instructions
Mar 02 20:07:23 <m-h-k> you need to unmasq your phone
Mar 02 20:07:34 <NuttyBunny> *yawn*
Mar 02 20:07:41 <m-h-k> yeah nutty
Mar 02 20:07:43 <ajmccue> i did using webos quickinstall and it said the transfer was successful
Mar 02 20:07:50 <NuttyBunny> did you reboot?
Mar 02 20:08:06 <ajmccue> yes i rebooted
Mar 02 20:08:07 <m-h-k> either a typo in the destination name, or not rebooted
Mar 02 20:08:29 <m-h-k> verify if the file you copied over has 2.1.0 in it and not 1.4.5
Mar 02 20:08:43 <ajmccue> how can i verify that file
Mar 02 20:08:57 <NuttyBunny> open the file you sent with notepad
Mar 02 20:09:02 <Loudergood> I had to delete and reinstall preware to get it to work...
Mar 02 20:09:14 <bitflung> ajmccue: i think you can also verify from device info - before i unmasked mine i'm pretty sure it still said 1.4.5 in there even after the 2.1 doctor
Mar 02 20:09:28 <m-h-k> yeah, you can see it in device info what the pre believes it is
Mar 02 20:09:56 <m-h-k> and it is best to start installing stuff only AFTER you have unmasqed
Mar 02 20:10:12 <ajmccue> according to my pre device info it thinks its a 1.4.5
Mar 02 20:10:12 <NuttyBunny> that's the version the Pre reports to all its programs internally, and the profile version on the palm servers is the version Palm thinks you have, and the apps they can send you
Mar 02 20:10:15 <m-h-k> until you unmasq your software on the pre will believe it is running on a 1.4.5 device
Mar 02 20:10:25 <m-h-k> ajccue: ok, then the unmasq did not work
Mar 02 20:10:44 <m-h-k> maybe you had a typo in the filename when you tried copying the build-info file, or you copied the wrong file.
Mar 02 20:10:55 * NuttyBunny checks the wiki
Mar 02 20:10:56 <m-h-k> So first, check that the file you are trying to copy over contains 2.1.0
Mar 02 20:11:13 <m-h-k> second, try copying it again and make sure you get the destination name ultra correct
Mar 02 20:11:33 <m-h-k> ajmccue: are you somewhat okay with typing linux shell commands?
Mar 02 20:11:38 <NuttyBunny> The wiki is fine, you should not have had any problems
Mar 02 20:11:52 <ajmccue> ok with commands
Mar 02 20:12:07 <m-h-k> do you know how to log in to your pre with novacom?
Mar 02 20:12:31 <m-h-k> thanks for checking nutty
Mar 02 20:12:32 <ajmccue> im running windows 7 and have had some trouble loggin into novacom
Mar 02 20:12:44 <m-h-k> ajmccue: make sure your pre is in develop mode
Mar 02 20:13:05 <ajmccue> it is
Mar 02 20:13:11 <m-h-k> open a windows cmd
Mar 02 20:13:22 <ajmccue> ok
Mar 02 20:13:40 <m-h-k> plug your pre into the usb
Mar 02 20:13:44 <ajmccue> ok
Mar 02 20:13:51 <m-h-k> type: novacom -t open tty://
Mar 02 20:14:04 <shades> will android v1.5 do any of the following?: Teather, VPN, VNC, Remote Desktop, SSH ?
Mar 02 20:14:10 <shades> erm wrong channel
Mar 02 20:14:10 <m-h-k> you should get a prompt that says something like "ajmccue's pre#"
Mar 02 20:14:24 <ajmccue> ok its prompted me
Mar 02 20:14:25 <m-h-k> Android will do any of those things ;P
Mar 02 20:14:28 <m-h-k> j/k
Mar 02 20:14:45 <m-h-k> type: cat /etc/palm-build-info
Mar 02 20:14:56 <m-h-k> what do you get
Mar 02 20:15:16 <ajmccue> still says 1.4.5
Mar 02 20:15:40 <NuttyBunny> mmm... type: ls /etc/palm-build-info*
Mar 02 20:15:41 <m-h-k> looks like the copy either copied the wrong file to there, or you copied it somewhere else and the 1.4.5 build-info is still there
Mar 02 20:16:22 <m-h-k> nutty: could be anything like plam-build-ifno etc...
Mar 02 20:16:51 <NuttyBunny> m-h-k: or it could be palm-build-info-masq ;)
Mar 02 20:17:16 <m-h-k> nutty: yeah, I know
Mar 02 20:17:24 <m-h-k> ajmccue: talk to us
Mar 02 20:17:48 <ajmccue> well should i try using the wiki again but with novacomd
Mar 02 20:18:09 <m-h-k> what did the "ls palm*" command do
Mar 02 20:18:25 <m-h-k> I need to get my pre.. 1 mom
Mar 02 20:18:51 <m-h-k> back
Mar 02 20:19:07 <ajmccue> when i did the at command it basically listed it back to me
Mar 02 20:19:29 <NuttyBunny> ok, then you may have uploaded the wrong file
Mar 02 20:19:38 <m-h-k> sorry, try this: ls /etc/palm-*
Mar 02 20:20:05 <m-h-k> ah.. ok so it just showed the 1 name.. ok
Mar 02 20:20:09 <m-h-k> then it is as nutty said
Mar 02 20:20:15 <m-h-k> type exit
Mar 02 20:20:18 <m-h-k> or logout
Mar 02 20:20:24 <ajmccue> ok
Mar 02 20:20:31 <m-h-k> you should beback to your windows prompt
Mar 02 20:20:35 <ajmccue> yes
Mar 02 20:20:55 <m-h-k> ok now go to your metadoctor directory... you can do that in windows explorer
Mar 02 20:21:09 <ajmccue> there
Mar 02 20:21:21 <m-h-k> there should be two palm-build-info files
Mar 02 20:21:31 <m-h-k> one with -unmasq and one without
Mar 02 20:21:44 <ajmccue> it ends with -unmasqed
Mar 02 20:21:53 <m-h-k> open this in notepad or any text editor
Mar 02 20:21:58 <m-h-k> and check its contents
Mar 02 20:22:05 <ajmccue> ok
Mar 02 20:22:08 <NuttyBunny> look for 2.1.0
Mar 02 20:22:14 <ajmccue> yes its there
Mar 02 20:22:15 <m-h-k> is it 2.1.0 or 1.4.5
Mar 02 20:22:22 <ajmccue> 2.1.0
Mar 02 20:22:29 <m-h-k> ok good, so the copy failed somehow
Mar 02 20:22:49 <NuttyBunny> you may try the second option in the wiki, the usb one
Mar 02 20:22:52 <m-h-k> so run the three commands in the cmd again like the wiki says unter "Via a Temrina, with Novacom"
Mar 02 20:23:20 <m-h-k> nutty: since he's already in cmd and can use novacom, let's just do the three commands
Mar 02 20:23:33 <m-h-k> you can copy them from Wiki and paste into cmd window
Mar 02 20:23:40 <NuttyBunny> ok
Mar 02 20:23:46 <m-h-k> just make sure you cd to the doctor directory first
Mar 02 20:23:49 <m-h-k> so go back to cmd
Mar 02 20:24:01 <m-h-k> then type cd c:\wherhever\my\meta-docotr\is
Mar 02 20:24:12 <m-h-k> god I am making so many typos
Mar 02 20:24:27 <oil> lol
Mar 02 20:24:33 <NuttyBunny> lol
Mar 02 20:24:34 <m-h-k> and then copy the three novacom commands from the wiki
Mar 02 20:24:55 <m-h-k> if I were doing this, the build-info file would end up in lots of wrong places today ;)
Mar 02 20:25:20 <m-h-k> 7 /tec/plam-bluid-fnoi :)
Mar 02 20:25:49 * m-h-k needs to fix his fingers.
Mar 02 20:26:56 <m-h-k> ajmccue: how are you getting along?
Mar 02 20:27:24 <ajmccue> slowly, what do i do when i cd to my meta doctor?
Mar 02 20:27:51 <RagingMind> bitflung, yay!
Mar 02 20:28:00 <bitflung> :)
Mar 02 20:28:11 <NuttyBunny> ajmccue: are you at the metadoctor directory?
Mar 02 20:28:22 <m-h-k> open http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade in a web browser, scroll to "Via a Terminal, with Novacom" and copy those three commands to your cmd window and execute each
Mar 02 20:29:06 <bitflung> let's see - nothing known broken on my pre+ anymore... what can i break now?
Mar 02 20:29:14 <ajmccue> do i need to go to my meta doctor directory like nutty bunny says, or just use novacom like mhk says?
Mar 02 20:29:24 <bitflung> how about linphone?  anyone here involved with it?
Mar 02 20:29:43 <m-h-k> ajmccue: before running the three commands, make sure you cd to your meta-doctor directory
Mar 02 20:30:05 <m-h-k> nutty just wants to make sure you are there before you run the commands
Mar 02 20:30:27 <ajmccue> ok then im having trouble cd to my metadoctor. its cd c: cygwin home andrew meta-doctor
Mar 02 20:30:45 <m-h-k> do you have it open in windows explorer still?
Mar 02 20:30:46 <MetaView> cd ~/andrew
Mar 02 20:30:56 <MetaView> cd /home/andrew/meta-doctor
Mar 02 20:31:02 <ajmccue> yes it is open with explorer
Mar 02 20:31:10 <m-h-k> Meta: if he is using windows cmd then he needs windows pathnames
Mar 02 20:31:15 <MetaView> use / instead of \\ in cygwin
Mar 02 20:31:28 <MetaView> why should he use windows cmd?
Mar 02 20:31:40 <bitflung> RagingMind: thanks for the help figuring that one out - seems odd to me that dev mode would affect the dev id...
Mar 02 20:31:40 <MetaView> in windows cmd just drag and drop the directory
Mar 02 20:31:47 <MetaView> and write cd in front
Mar 02 20:31:58 <ajmccue> ok ive navigated to my meta doctor
Mar 02 20:32:10 <m-h-k> ok good
Mar 02 20:32:25 <m-h-k> so your cmd prompt now displays the path to your meta-doctor directory
Mar 02 20:32:30 <ajmccue> yes
Mar 02 20:32:34 <m-h-k> good
Mar 02 20:32:45 <m-h-k> when you type "dir" then you see the palm-build-info-masq?
Mar 02 20:33:00 <m-h-k> I mean the filename, not the contents
Mar 02 20:33:13 <m-h-k> (just verifying you are really in the right directory)
Mar 02 20:33:17 <ajmccue> yes i see it
Mar 02 20:33:35 <m-h-k> good, now use the three novacom commands from the wiki
Mar 02 20:33:45 <ajmccue> do i run novacom
Mar 02 20:33:56 <m-h-k> meta: we are using windows cmd since we used it first and he can work with it
Mar 02 20:34:08 <NuttyBunny> I think... there's an error in the wiki.......
Mar 02 20:34:14 <m-h-k> ajmccue: just type the three commands as they are listed in the wiki
Mar 02 20:34:18 <m-h-k> nutty: ???
Mar 02 20:34:32 <MetaView> m-h-k: sry, don't want to disturb
Mar 02 20:35:10 <m-h-k> ajmccue: type the whole part starting from "novacom run file:..."
Mar 02 20:35:53 <ajmccue> now i should just reboot?
Mar 02 20:35:55 <m-h-k> you can use copy and paste to ensure you do not have typos
Mar 02 20:36:03 <m-h-k> when you run the last command your pre should reboot
Mar 02 20:36:26 <NuttyBunny> hold on...
Mar 02 20:36:39 <ajmccue> ok and then if it was done correctly my device info should say 2.1.0
Mar 02 20:36:40 <NuttyBunny> ajmccue: what did windows tell you after the second command?
Mar 02 20:37:19 <m-h-k> yeah, what was the output after each command.. any error messages, anything else?
Mar 02 20:37:33 <NuttyBunny> I think windows doesn't work with the < redirection... this should be done within the cygwin shell and not cmd.exe
Mar 02 20:37:40 <ajmccue> no error messages just back to the directory, but the pre did restart
Mar 02 20:37:44 <m-h-k> no, nutty, I did it under windows
Mar 02 20:37:45 <bitflung> anyone here figure out how to push the old palmos rom from the 1.4.5 doctor onto their 2.1.0 device?  i'd like to run classic
Mar 02 20:37:47 <m-h-k> it works
Mar 02 20:38:15 <SineOt> hm, does the 2.1 version of advanced device menu by Sconix add in the mute/gps icons?
Mar 02 20:38:18 <m-h-k> ajmccue: good, after it has booted again check device info
Mar 02 20:38:36 <ajmccue> i gotta run now, thank you both for your help regardless if it works or not. thanks and have a nice day
Mar 02 20:39:04 <m-h-k> wow, so we don't even get to know whether this all worked?
Mar 02 20:39:18 <m-h-k> Now I feel used and dumped :)
Mar 02 20:39:20 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Mar 02 20:39:31 <NuttyBunny> I hope he tries the second option :)
Mar 02 20:39:39 <m-h-k> What, the dumped?
Mar 02 20:39:49 <NuttyBunny> the usb one
Mar 02 20:39:52 <m-h-k> oh
Mar 02 20:39:53 <m-h-k> hehe
Mar 02 20:40:05 <m-h-k> He seemed so much okay with novacom the first time
Mar 02 20:40:26 <m-h-k> I did not realize navigating to the meta-doctor dir was going to be difficult
Mar 02 20:41:00 <m-h-k> anyway... I am getting the feeling I should open a support hotline for webos 2.1 installations :P
Mar 02 20:41:07 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. maybe the novaterm commands don't show an error even if they don't work
Mar 02 20:41:19 <m-h-k> let me try that
Mar 02 20:41:24 <NuttyBunny> after a while you'll just tell them to go the wiki
Mar 02 20:41:24 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Mar 02 20:41:44 <m-h-k> yeah and then they come back and say "it is not working"
Mar 02 20:41:59 <m-h-k> the support hotline just has to be expensive enough so that they try the wiki first
Mar 02 20:42:06 <m-h-k> and then those that fail make your living
Mar 02 20:42:10 <m-h-k> I could live with that.
Mar 02 20:43:14 <NuttyBunny> hehehe... you don't know what you're saying :)   you'll encounter people so dumb that they'll pay you even if they don't have any knowledge and you'll have to follow them step by step  :D
Mar 02 20:44:10 <Loudergood> rwhitby came up with the best solution I've seen
Mar 02 20:44:18 <m-h-k> nutty, that's okay, it will be a looooong, expensive call with the hotline
Mar 02 20:44:32 <m-h-k> I can talk to them all day at $10 per minute
Mar 02 20:46:31 <m-h-k> and I know what I am saying... used to do some Internet support many many years ago... help people install their modems and get online with an ISP
Mar 02 20:47:02 <m-h-k> I was the one who got sent to those that were totally unable. Drove to their homes and installed the internet
Mar 02 20:47:48 <djwhitey> i still can't get the testing feeds to add w/ Preware gui on 2.1, anyone else having luck? gonna try the novaterm route
Mar 02 20:47:51 <bitflung> 'installed the internet' that made me chuckle.
Mar 02 20:48:07 <bitflung> (i used to do the same work - many moons ago when 56k was but a dream)
Mar 02 20:48:11 <m-h-k> Sometimes I also fixed their printer, replaced a broken VGA cable, and installed some software they asked me to install for them.... *sigh* I know that job.
Mar 02 20:48:13 <SineOt> I added the testing feeds by just adding the line to the metadoctor script... XD
Mar 02 20:48:45 <m-h-k> bitfling: yeah.. 9.600 and above, those were the times.
Mar 02 20:48:53 <m-h-k> "Mom, the internet installer is here"
Mar 02 20:49:07 <NuttyBunny> brb, gonna have lunch with my parents...
Mar 02 20:49:19 <m-h-k> enjoy, nutty
Mar 02 20:50:32 <m-h-k> you know, I didn't mind doing that. I got paid by the hour, so whatever they wanted, I did.
Mar 02 20:51:01 <m-h-k> and in the end they had smiling faces because they got what they wanted.. and the internet :)
Mar 02 20:51:40 <m-h-k> well anyway, back from memory lane and catapult back to webos
Mar 02 20:52:07 <bitflung> m-h-k: yeah, i know what you mean.  i miss being the hero of the day just by knowing the difference between COM1 and COM2 - low stress, high pay, easy hours... those were the days
Mar 02 20:52:43 <bitflung> *i'm at work right now - my mini rant is kinda funny if you think about that fact i typed that instead of working*
Mar 02 20:54:35 * Loudergood just helped someone setup dialup yesterday....
Mar 02 20:55:01 <m-h-k> nice, loudergood.. another hero of the day
Mar 02 20:55:18 <idontwan2know> I did tech support for Dell for 6 months.
Mar 02 20:55:34 <Loudergood> thank goodness we're in the wisp business as well
Mar 02 20:55:43 <idontwan2know> hated every second of it
Mar 02 20:58:31 <m-h-k> this is wierd.. I just ran novacom run file://sbin/reboot and the device is now dead
Mar 02 20:58:55 <bitflung> Loudergood: wisp?  wireless isp?
Mar 02 20:59:02 <Loudergood> yup
Mar 02 20:59:09 <m-h-k> hm, power + 3x mute restarted it
Mar 02 20:59:34 <Loudergood> very rural around here so plenty of market for it
Mar 02 21:00:48 <bitflung> cool - last place i worked with dial up also did that, the local municipalities had subsidized a new cable rollout just 6 months before the cable company prepped the whole cable internet setup... when cable internet was available, the fresh coax they'd just rolled out wasn't compatible.  so we sold lots of dialup and some wireless T1s (using breezecom radios, as i recall) throughout the area
Mar 02 21:00:59 <bitflung> Loudergood: something similar in your neck of the woods?
Mar 02 21:03:07 <bitflung> the cable snafu, along with verizon owning the rest of the copper (and verizon, at least the dsl side of them, is a horrible HORRIBLE poisonous bastard company.  just my 2 cents) - verizon screwed us all so badly when we wanted to deploy dsl (we sold SDSL from Vitts new hampshire, at least until verizon screwed us over so many times that we threw in the towel)
Mar 02 21:03:41 <SineOt> yes, Verizon DSL is god awful
Mar 02 21:03:43 <Loudergood> we mostly sell to the end users, but basically yes..lost a lot of dialup to cable and dsl of course, but that was mostly before my time (verizon offloading all their old copper on to fairpoint hasn't improved things either)
Mar 02 21:04:07 <SineOt> I'm in the Sam Knows FCC project and our Verizon DSL sees packet loss of 4% regularly, and DNS request failure rates are pushing 10%
Mar 02 21:04:12 <bitflung> this was all in and around orleans, ma - about 90% of the town had to have dialup and we were one of the only two local dialup companies (of course we competed with AOL and the likes... but that goes without saying)
Mar 02 21:04:54 <Loudergood> ah, I'm in VT
Mar 02 21:04:57 <bitflung> SineOt: eegads that's terrible
Mar 02 21:05:29 <bitflung> Loudergood: ahh, my upstairs neighbor.  nice to meet you
Mar 02 21:06:01 <SineOt> bitflung: yeah, it's pretty awful. After I get a month's worth of data gathered I might try contacting Verizon and bitching...
Mar 02 21:06:16 <SineOt> we're paying the same price for our 3mbps DSL as we would for 8mbps cable
Mar 02 21:06:27 <SineOt> (why, I have no idea)
Mar 02 21:06:47 <Loudergood> lol
Mar 02 21:07:19 <bitflung> hah - SineOt bitches about a crappy verizon dsl connection... then the connection drops.  that tickles - see it's funny cuz it's true
Mar 02 21:22:10 <idontwan2know> So, anybody want to give me a hand with a meta-doctor question? I promise it's not 2.1 related and the answer isn't in the wiki. At least not directly.
Mar 02 21:22:14 <idontwan2know> lol
Mar 02 21:23:03 <Loudergood> fire when ready
Mar 02 21:23:23 <idontwan2know> I'm trying to configure a 1.4.5 doctor to do a token swap.
Mar 02 21:23:53 <idontwan2know> I have downloaded the doctor, put it in the downloads folder and renamed it with the correct version number.
Mar 02 21:24:47 <idontwan2know> but when I go back to the meta-doctor directory and try to run make unpack, it throws an error and tells me to download the doctor and put it in the downloads directory
Mar 02 21:26:38 <Loudergood> don't know....could try pastebinning the logs to see if anyone figures it out though
Mar 02 21:31:46 <idontwan2know> yeah
Mar 02 21:32:36 <idontwan2know> i'm actually running one of the scripts now just to get the file in the right place and named correctly for meta-doctor to see it.
Mar 02 21:33:32 <idontwan2know> Then I'll just clobber it and delete the doctor versions I don't need
Mar 02 21:33:51 <idontwan2know> not the most elegant solution, but it should work
Mar 02 21:40:58 <djwhitey> well damnit. i just spent 30 minutes reformatting the feeds as a table on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Using_Preware
Mar 02 21:41:36 <djwhitey> thinking it'd be easier to shift-tap select _just_ the URL, or _just_ the name... no, damn device still selects the whole row
Mar 02 21:42:53 <djwhitey> ahhh... the mobile version of the wiki makes the table <pre>. ugh
Mar 02 21:43:17 <halfhalo> it does MANY things
Mar 02 21:43:23 <djwhitey> =[
Mar 02 21:45:40 <djwhitey> ah well, at least i learned about table formatting in the process :)
Mar 02 21:53:28 <halfhalo> soooo many steps in this test file
Mar 02 21:55:29 <alice_> what this blog about? Just for web palm chat?
Mar 02 21:55:45 <halfhalo> blog?
Mar 02 21:58:20 <djwhitey> they should've included Think Beyond: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CM-bIxnZmE&feature=player_profilepage
Mar 02 22:01:55 <alice_> sorry, not blog, I just download by plam phone, and use in china now, just not get it , what is it...
Mar 02 22:06:25 <Davide-NYC> last question before I attempt to meta-doctor my daily-driver SpeintPre+
Mar 02 22:06:49 <Davide-NYC> I currently have the version 9.9.9 error. DO I need to fix that *before* doing the meta-doctor?
Mar 02 22:07:07 <djwhitey> yes
Mar 02 22:07:26 <SineOt> yes you do
Mar 02 22:08:49 <djwhitey> you have a Sprint Pre- in a VZW Pre+ right? you need to get your profile to say 1.4.5 first... tokens, i believe?
Mar 02 22:10:25 <djwhitey> s/Pre-/Pre- comm board
Mar 02 22:10:40 <djwhitey> http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html
Mar 02 22:12:07 <idontwan2know> ~seen destinal
Mar 02 22:12:10 <infobot> destinal is currently on #webos-internals, last said: 'undrwater: optware can be installed via preware'.
Mar 02 22:12:27 <Davide-NYC> djwhitey: I've already performed the hardware conversion and have been living with my "frankenpre" for months.
Mar 02 22:13:10 <Davide-NYC> How do I restore Palm Profile Authentication without haveing to tear apart my phone and use a vanilla doctor?
Mar 02 22:16:40 <djwhitey> Davide-NYC: your frankenPre's palm profile has always been 9.9.9?
Mar 02 22:16:48 <Davide-NYC> Not sure.
Mar 02 22:17:06 <Davide-NYC> I do not purchase software often and that's when I noticed.
Mar 02 22:17:51 <destinal> idontwan2know: hey
Mar 02 22:19:26 <idontwan2know>  destinal: hey! got a second to help me with a meta-doctor issue? it's not a stupid 2.1 question, I promise
Mar 02 22:20:40 <eliasp> wondering about ÜberKernel on 2.1.0 ... I have the testing-feed in Preware, but the ÜberKernel-2.1.0-0 package still shows in its description it would be a placeholder... what's the correct way to get ÜberKernel?
Mar 02 22:22:06 <eliasp> ah, I see... ÜberKernel is probably in webos-kernels-testing
Mar 02 22:22:14 <destinal> idontwan2know: I could give it a shot.
Mar 02 22:22:18 <destinal> idontwan2know: what's going on?
Mar 02 22:23:28 <idontwan2know> destinal: I'm trying to configure a 1.4.5 doctor for a token swap, and whenever I run make unpack it throws error 1 and says I need to download the correct doctor and put it in downloads etc. etc.
Mar 02 22:23:56 <DoubleDubWSS> Has anyone on done the Franken-Pre2?
Mar 02 22:24:04 <idontwan2know> destinal: except, I KNOW that it's there and correctly named because I let one of the scripts download and name it
Mar 02 22:24:55 <idontwan2know> destinal: (then clobbered the make and deleted all the doctors except the one I needed to use)
Mar 02 22:25:26 <Davide-NYC> Doing a full erase on my 1.4.5 Sprint frankenpre with the 9.9.9 error. Where do I find instructions on how to cure the 9.9.9 error before I install the 2.1.0 meta-doctor?
Mar 02 22:31:19 <Davide-NYC> am I missing something here?
Mar 02 22:31:52 <idontwan2know> Davide-NYC: Doctor back to 1.4.5, sign into your profile and then disable backups
Mar 02 22:31:59 <rboatright> David -- you should not have a 999 on a 1.4.5
Mar 02 22:32:14 <Davide-NYC> I'm at 1.4.5 on the device already.
Mar 02 22:32:27 <bitflung> anyone here familiar with Mode Switcher and adding modes to the launcher?
Mar 02 22:32:27 <SineOt> I think it's a token issue from the sound of it, since it's a Sprint Pre+
Mar 02 22:32:29 <djwhitey> but you didn't bring the tokens over from your Pre-/
Mar 02 22:32:29 <rboatright> when did it 999?
Mar 02 22:32:37 <Davide-NYC> a while back. Not sure exactly
Mar 02 22:32:45 <Davide-NYC> maybe even a month or more
Mar 02 22:32:48 <SineOt> bitflung: kind of sort of. What's up?
Mar 02 22:33:11 <Davide-NYC> At least it ain't 6.6.6
Mar 02 22:33:57 <bitflung> SineOt: well - i just installed mode switcher, playing with it a bit i created a new mode.  there was a button 'add to launcher' or something similar.  i pressed it.  i now have a new icon in my launcher for that mode.  how can i get rid of it? :(
Mar 02 22:33:58 <bitflung> :)
Mar 02 22:34:03 <djwhitey> so h/w swap back to Pre-. Palm-doctor 1.4.5. Install "Show Properties" app to email yourself your tokens. Use MetaDoctor to build a "FrankenPre" 1.4.5 doctor. Doctor with it. Then use MetaDoctor to build a 2.1 doctor & use it
Mar 02 22:34:26 <SineOt> hold down option (aka that square button) and tap the icon, you should be able to remove it from the popup
Mar 02 22:34:29 <SineOt> works for other apps too!
Mar 02 22:34:59 <djwhitey> see Step 2.3 of this for inserting your tokens into castle.xml: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html
Mar 02 22:35:01 <bitflung> nice! thanks
Mar 02 22:35:08 <Davide-NYC> djwhitey: please tell me you're joking. Is that the only way?
Mar 02 22:35:25 <DoubleDubWSS> Is there anything from the Pre2 Sprint frankenpre that isn't reversable if I chose to go back to original hardware down the road?
Mar 02 22:35:39 <Davide-NYC> There are no shortcuts to this?
Mar 02 22:36:01 <djwhitey> i think if you don't do the h/w swap and re-doctor with the Palm stock one, you're still gonna get a 9.9.9... because "normal" doctors don't mess w/ tokens
Mar 02 22:36:28 <djwhitey> and you don't have a backup of your tokens from before you h/w-swapped, right?
Mar 02 22:36:35 <idontwan2know> If you still have the Pre- and the verizon comms board, you can put that together and read the tokens off of that.
Mar 02 22:36:36 <destinal> idontwan2know: hmmm, do you have exact steps you ran that I can try to duplicate, like a list of commands and output you can pastebin?
Mar 02 22:36:37 <SineOt> bitflung: I really recommend installing the Advanced Mode Menu or whatever it is from Preware :]
Mar 02 22:36:55 <SineOt> bitflung: makes things really awesome for activating those few "manual" modes that you don't have triggers for
Mar 02 22:37:12 <SineOt> (I have a manual sleep mode that turns off data, mutes everything, and turns the screen down for when I'm well, asleep!)
Mar 02 22:37:17 <Davide-NYC> djwhitey: yes I do have the tokens in a text file
Mar 02 22:37:32 <djwhitey> please tell me you didn't copy them by hand
Mar 02 22:37:38 <Davide-NYC> I did
Mar 02 22:37:43 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: have you read the wiki page from top to bottom?
Mar 02 22:37:45 <Davide-NYC> but I triple chackedthem
Mar 02 22:37:51 <idontwan2know> destinal: I will start from scratch and do that for you
Mar 02 22:37:54 <bitflung> SineOt: i just installed it - haven't played much yet though
Mar 02 22:37:58 <djwhitey> i did this, fat-fingered one of my BATT* tokens, and when i doctord, my battery wouldn't charge
Mar 02 22:37:58 <djwhitey> ok
Mar 02 22:38:04 * Davide-NYC bows to ROd
Mar 02 22:38:07 <SineOt> bitflung: it's powerful... awesomely so
Mar 02 22:38:22 * rwhitby wonders why people don't use Show Properties as told to...
Mar 02 22:38:23 <destinal> djwhitey: ugh.  yeah, trying to type the tokens by hand = bad
Mar 02 22:38:24 <Davide-NYC> rwhitby: which wiki page are you referring to exactly?
Mar 02 22:38:36 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: which instructions are you following right now?
Mar 02 22:39:03 <djwhitey> rwhitby: we already talked about how that thread doesn't tell people to use Show Properties or link to the wiki page
Mar 02 22:39:19 <Davide-NYC> long story short: I just performed a 2.1.0 successfully on my "remnant" phone (VZWcommboards in a PreMinus)
Mar 02 22:39:25 <djwhitey> i posted in that topic asking OP or mod to add it, but nothing the last 2 days. So I just reported my own post =)
Mar 02 22:39:47 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: which instructions did you follow
Mar 02 22:39:48 <Davide-NYC> I'm trying to do the same except my "daily-driver" SPrintCommBoards in a PrePlus has the 9.9.9 error.
Mar 02 22:40:19 <Davide-NYC> For the "remnant" phone I followed this no problem. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade
Mar 02 22:40:29 <Davide-NYC> But I created a new palm profile for it.
Mar 02 22:41:01 <Davide-NYC> I'm trying to get my proper palm profile back in business before I do the 2.1.0 upgrade without doing all manner of HW swapping fisrt.
Mar 02 22:41:10 <Davide-NYC> *first.
Mar 02 22:41:12 <djwhitey> Davide-NYC: if you're 100% sure about your tokens you copied, you can add them into the 2.1 castle.xml and modify the meta-file to use CUSTOM_XML=castle.xml as one of the arguments
Mar 02 22:41:27 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 02 22:41:34 <Davide-NYC> I am 100% certain.
Mar 02 22:41:34 <rwhitby> what djwhitey said
Mar 02 22:42:00 <Davide-NYC> I'm pretty sure I'll be back in a bit with another inane question
Mar 02 22:42:02 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: we'll see in a couple of hours whether your certainty allows your battery to charge or not ...
Mar 02 22:42:02 <Davide-NYC> thanks
Mar 02 22:42:09 <Davide-NYC> LOL
Mar 02 22:42:32 <djwhitey> LMAO. I spent HOURS trying to resolve that and rwhitby rescued me
Mar 02 22:42:32 <idontwan2know> ironically enough, I'm trying to fix a battery token problem as we speak
Mar 02 22:42:48 <idontwan2know> stupid 8s that look like Bs
Mar 02 22:43:00 <rwhitby> djwhitey: which wiki page did you update with the solution?
Mar 02 22:43:28 <djwhitey> solution to the battery thing after I snafu'd mine?
Mar 02 22:43:36 * rwhitby points and laughs at another person who should have used the Show Properties app.
Mar 02 22:43:56 <halfhalo> hah
Mar 02 22:44:22 <djwhitey> I didn't put my solution on the wiki yet, but tell me what page is your preference and i'll add it
Mar 02 22:44:22 <destinal> :) manually editing crucial values in less than human friendly formats = very bad idea
Mar 02 22:44:24 <rwhitby> I think today I will work out how to patch the firstuse app so that the masquerading is done and undone automatically.
Mar 02 22:44:32 <idontwan2know> I did use the Show Properties app, for the record. I'm just dyslexic
Mar 02 22:44:39 <idontwan2know> or blind
Mar 02 22:44:43 <idontwan2know> take your pick
Mar 02 22:44:44 <idontwan2know> heh
Mar 02 22:44:47 <rwhitby> djwhitey: the wiki page which has the board swap instructions
Mar 02 22:44:48 <SineOt> where did hand copying them come into play at all though? :p
Mar 02 22:44:53 <djwhitey> ok
Mar 02 22:45:19 <SineOt> rwhitby: as an added bonus, profile login on activation bypassed devices? *sparkle eyes*
Mar 02 22:45:24 <rwhitby> SineOt: stupid forum step-by-step thread in which the author abrogated his duty to fix the instructions
Mar 02 22:45:34 <rwhitby> SineOt: that's already there
Mar 02 22:45:48 <djwhitey> they'll be going here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint
Mar 02 22:45:49 <SineOt> for 2.1? did the patch get refreshed? :o
Mar 02 22:46:01 <rwhitby> SineOt: no patch.  --wifi-only
Mar 02 22:46:05 <halfhalo> rwhitby: from what I saw during my poking around that shouldn't be hard at all since it looks like a js service does it
Mar 02 22:46:13 <rwhitby> halfhalo: yep
Mar 02 22:46:21 <SineOt> ah! and it doesn't cause bungles with having the Dr. Skipped First Use on there too I take it?
Mar 02 22:46:29 <rwhitby> halfhalo: the trick is getting the right values into the right doctors
Mar 02 22:46:39 <rwhitby> SineOt: of course
Mar 02 22:47:08 <djwhitey> wow i just now noticed the WYSIWYG buttons on the wiki edit page. i've been formatting all that mess by hand
Mar 02 22:47:28 <SineOt> rwhitby: awesome then. I doctored like... day one, so had no idea that existed :x
Mar 02 22:47:30 * djwhitey sadtrombones
Mar 02 22:48:56 <idontwan2know> destinal: http://webos.pastebin.com/a4xLE3rU
Mar 02 22:49:48 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: you forgot to tell it which device and carrier and version it should unpack
Mar 02 22:50:05 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: exactly which instructions are you following? url please.
Mar 02 22:52:31 <idontwan2know> hang on
Mar 02 22:52:51 * halfhalo found the class which contains the info sent to the server
Mar 02 22:53:48 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint
Mar 02 22:58:45 <halfhalo> oh... very interesting... its set elsewhere as welll...
Mar 02 23:01:53 <djwhitey> i edited the wiki page because it still had verbiage about writing down the tokens using Internalz... highlighted installing Show Properties
Mar 02 23:15:39 <Davide-NYC> djwhitey: that must have been the method I used as I have two zip files containing the token files
Mar 02 23:15:49 <Davide-NYC> (one sprint and one verizon)
Mar 02 23:16:08 <djwhitey> ok. i'm writing up directions now for making a 2.1 castle.xml
Mar 02 23:17:29 <Davide-NYC> Just to be perfectly clear: I build a custom doctor using the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 script first, correct?
Mar 02 23:18:24 <idontwan2know> no
Mar 02 23:18:38 <idontwan2know> you have to edit castle.xml before the doctor is built
Mar 02 23:18:39 * Davide-NYC making coffee
Mar 02 23:18:58 <Thibaud> hi everyone
Mar 02 23:18:59 <idontwan2know> changing it afterwards won't overwrite the tokens
Mar 02 23:19:04 * Davide-NYC presumes this will be an ordeal and is mentally preparing.
Mar 02 23:19:33 <NuttyBunny> Hi again
Mar 02 23:20:00 <Thibaud> Hi NuttyBunny
Mar 02 23:22:09 <joeb_> yoh
Mar 02 23:22:13 <joeb_> yo*
Mar 02 23:22:32 <idontwan2know> i think the process should be pretty simple...edit castle.xml in the 2.1 doctor, uncomment CUSTOM_XML=castle.xml in the makefile and then run the script as usual
Mar 02 23:22:38 <idontwan2know> but I am no expert
Mar 02 23:22:58 <idontwan2know> and you should wait for someone smarter than me to tell you how to do it
Mar 02 23:24:32 <SineOt> couldn't you just change what CUSTOM_XML points to?
Mar 02 23:25:16 <idontwan2know> probably
Mar 02 23:25:30 <idontwan2know> as I said...someone smarter than me
Mar 02 23:26:57 <RMind> the freetether icon always makes me giggle
Mar 02 23:30:34 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: if you were following that page, you neglected step 1
Mar 02 23:31:33 <idontwan2know> ah
Mar 02 23:32:34 <rwhitby> yeah.  Next time please check your steps first.
Mar 02 23:32:42 <idontwan2know> the makefile has to be configured first for meta-doctor to know which doctor to use...light bulb
Mar 02 23:32:55 <rwhitby> (s/step 1/step 2.1/)
Mar 02 23:34:14 <SineOt> rwhitby: just to verify, if I'm providing my own bootlogo, I change it in the make file and the scripts will properly insert it, no?
Mar 02 23:35:31 <rwhitby> djwhitey: please don't add a tokens section to that wiki page.  it will confuse everyone.
Mar 02 23:35:41 <rwhitby> djwhitey: token changing is not required for any procedure on that wiki page.
Mar 02 23:35:51 <rwhitby> SineOt: yes
Mar 02 23:36:15 <SineOt> cool :3
Mar 02 23:37:04 <djwhitey> ok i'll take it off
Mar 02 23:37:12 * NuttyBunny checks the wiki
Mar 02 23:37:36 <joeb_> lol
Mar 02 23:39:35 <dumbledore> sup
Mar 02 23:40:02 <djwhitey> rwhitby: nice re-wording
Mar 02 23:41:05 <rwhitby> djwhitey: btw, thanks for the other improvements you and others have made to the wiki page
Mar 02 23:41:55 <djwhitey> np
Mar 02 23:52:56 <RMind> johnsonx42 updated his comments about mobile hot spot
Mar 02 23:54:24 <RMind> looks safe, yay!
Mar 02 23:59:45 * SineOt looks at some of the custom boot images posted to the webos-internals wiki and sheds a single tear. :'[
Mar 03 00:06:22 <SineOt> rwhitby: forgot to ask! when using the --wifi-only flag, how do you log into a profile..? run the gesture tutorial?
Mar 03 00:06:46 <rwhitby> SineOt: you're not reading the wiki page, are you?
Mar 03 00:07:36 <SineOt> no, but it looks like I was right :p
Mar 03 00:08:05 <rwhitby> djwhitey: you should preface that new wiki section with clear instructions of when you would need to do that.
Mar 03 00:08:19 <djwhitey> ok
Mar 03 00:08:59 <rwhitby> djwhitey: and you *really* don't want to have people cutting and pasting a castle.xml file from a wiki page.
Mar 03 00:09:15 <rwhitby> you are going to be responsible for them wiping their bootloader if they do that and make a mistake.
Mar 03 00:09:22 <djwhitey> ack
Mar 03 00:09:38 <rwhitby> let alone being a copyright violation
Mar 03 00:09:56 <djwhitey> i wasn't sure if that would be or not
Mar 03 00:10:51 <rwhitby> if you didn't write a file, and have no explicit license to redistribute it's contents, then by default you cannot. it's as simple as that.
Mar 03 00:11:49 <djwhitey> ok, i'll write it up another way... basically stepping through the meta-sprint script 1 command at a time.... "now copy castle.xml from the /.../ directory to ~/meta-doctor" and proceed with edit instructions
Mar 03 00:12:06 <djwhitey> that keep it legal?
Mar 03 00:13:19 <rwhitby> correct
Mar 03 00:20:17 <destinal> rwhitby: copyright is a bit different when it comes to databases and other things not considered expressive works, but still, agree re the copy / paste thing
Mar 03 00:20:48 <destinal> wiki would not be the best place for that
Mar 03 00:28:15 <dumbledore> im kinda up for any beta testing right now
Mar 03 00:28:28 <dumbledore> im in the mood for being a guinea pig
Mar 03 00:28:35 <dumbledore> henny <3
Mar 03 00:38:46 <djwhitey> rwhitby: revise/reword if necessary http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint#Baking_tokens_into_the_meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0_script
Mar 03 00:39:03 * djwhitey heads out to drive home from work
Mar 03 00:41:26 <rwhitby> djwhitey: you can still be explicit in the "add your tokens" section, giving example token lines if you like
Mar 03 00:41:32 <rwhitby> just don't paste in the whole file
Mar 03 00:42:54 <shades> sometimes pandora will come up with an incorrect album art cover... right now Constant Anti is playing by Nauseous Youth Future off the Dosage album but i clearly see a album cover for Broken fader cartel presents the collective polycarbonate release
Mar 03 00:49:37 <Davide-NYC> may I ask why the flash install requires an extra step?
Mar 03 00:49:45 <Davide-NYC> (or steps)
Mar 03 00:55:12 <rwhitby> djwhitey: you don't need to write BATT* WIFI* or BT* tokens
Mar 03 00:55:26 <PuffTheMagic> is there gonna be a cmda touchpad or just gsm?
Mar 03 00:56:28 <destinal> Davide-NYC: no flash on the 2.1 pre+ image and we have not yet sufficiently automated the installation of it so that it installs into the doctor image
Mar 03 00:56:47 <destinal> Davide-NYC: though it really shouldn't be that hard
Mar 03 00:58:04 <Davide-NYC> destinal: I see. But it most likely will get automated eventually.
Mar 03 00:58:31 <destinal> easiest thing would be a script that regenerates ipk's and then use ipkg with an offline root pointing at the rootfs prior to building the doctor image.
Mar 03 00:58:39 <idontwan2know> so, tokens corrected and even creating a new profile on 1.4.5 with this device results in a 9.9.9 profile
Mar 03 00:58:47 <destinal> so long as it doesn't require a postinst, it should be fine
Mar 03 00:58:50 <destinal> Davide-NYC: yes
Mar 03 00:59:48 <Davide-NYC> idontwan2know: say again? I don't follow
Mar 03 01:01:43 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: tokens are likely not correct then.
Mar 03 01:02:12 <rwhitby> destinal: Jason has a thread which creates a flash ipkg
Mar 03 01:02:23 <rwhitby> Davide-NYC: see that thread.
Mar 03 01:02:25 <destinal> rwhitby: it's still not ideal
Mar 03 01:02:33 <destinal> too single purpose
Mar 03 01:02:41 <rwhitby> destinal: correct, but it's the best available.
Mar 03 01:02:59 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: I agree...So I compared them side by side on the new device and old and the only one that was different was "DMSETS"
Mar 03 01:03:07 <rwhitby> idontwan2know: yep
Mar 03 01:03:28 <rwhitby> DMSETS being the critical token for profile access
Mar 03 01:04:12 <idontwan2know> gotcha...it's not listed on the wiki as being one that needs to be overwritten
Mar 03 01:05:00 <rwhitby> it is set automatically by the doctor each time
Mar 03 01:06:40 <idontwan2know> so would adding a line to castle.xml to overwrite it work?
Mar 03 01:09:34 <djwhitey_pre> rwhitby: earlier I tried to reformat the Testing Feeds page as a table... trying to make Tap-select from device not also select "Name:/URL:"... but mobile wiki makes it <pre> (whole line still gets Tap-selected). can you think of a way to format so only t
Mar 03 01:09:34 <djwhitey_pre> he actual URL/Name (not label) is selected in mobile view?
Mar 03 01:10:33 <djwhitey_pre> I think it'd have to put them on separate lines
Mar 03 01:14:25 <rwhitby> djwhitey_pre: no idea
Mar 03 01:18:45 <idontwan2know> rwhitby: can I overwrite the DMSETS token via castle.xml to get the correct value?
Mar 03 01:18:53 <rwhitby> no
Mar 03 01:19:32 <rwhitby> the doctor writes that one. either you're using the wrong doctor, or one of your other tokens is wrong, or you need to go back further to 1.4.1 and OTA forward to 1.4.5
Mar 03 01:20:31 <idontwan2know> okay
Mar 03 01:21:11 <idontwan2know> i've verified the other tokens are correct...I will try going back to 1.4.1
Mar 03 01:21:23 <idontwan2know> thanks
Mar 03 01:25:49 <RMind> rwhitby, does the doctor need sun java or is openjdk okay?
Mar 03 01:26:04 <rwhitby> dunno
Mar 03 01:27:26 <RMind> a friend is trying metadoc and I can't tell how close he's following the directions  :(
Mar 03 01:27:54 <rwhitby> RMind: welcome to my world
Mar 03 01:31:38 <halfhalo> there is a reason why I ignore most people asking for help.
Mar 03 01:32:02 <idontwan2know> RMind: I have used Openjdk without problems
Mar 03 01:32:15 <idontwan2know> at least not problems related to that
Mar 03 01:32:15 <idontwan2know> lol
Mar 03 01:32:23 <halfhalo> ping destinal
Mar 03 01:33:06 <destinal> halfhalo: pong
Mar 03 01:33:22 <destinal> RMind: doctor is not happen with openjdk IIRC
Mar 03 01:33:31 <destinal> I always use sun jdk / jre 6
Mar 03 01:35:18 <RMind> I'm not at the computer to check the scripts... does the meta-sprint script install preware by default?
Mar 03 01:35:42 <idontwan2know> no
Mar 03 01:35:45 <RMind> hmmm... wonder what happened to my home computer
Mar 03 01:36:07 <RMind> ah... *phew*
Mar 03 01:39:59 <djwhitey_pre> RMind: you can modify the script to include the AUTOINSTALL_PREWARE=1 argument. worked for me, but I think others have had trouble with it
Mar 03 01:41:18 <rwhitby> better to use palm-install latere
Mar 03 01:43:53 <RMind> OH!  he's trying to use the preware install jar... I'm much less confused
Mar 03 01:45:41 <Davide-NYC> rwhitby: is this accurate? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Move_a_Pre-_to_a_Pre%2B_on_Sprint#Baking_tokens_into_the_meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0_script
Mar 03 01:46:16 <rwhitby> no
Mar 03 01:47:07 <djwhitey_pre> ago. what'd I miss?
Mar 03 01:47:24 <djwhitey_pre> s/ago/agh
Mar 03 01:48:02 <dkirker1> So... Has anyone ever had the "Application Database is now full" error on a FrankenPrePlus running 2.1? I got it this morning, I was forced to reset to restore my data and applications, and now **all** of my applications are gone. No level of restoring to 2.1.0 or 1.4.5 seems to be bringing them back...
Mar 03 01:48:35 <dkirker1> That mean just about a 100% data loss when "upgrading" to 2.1.0.
Mar 03 01:50:49 <djwhitey_pre> make patch?
Mar 03 01:51:10 <dkirker1> make patch??
Mar 03 01:51:52 <halfhalo> dkirker1: thats.... not good
Mar 03 01:52:04 <dkirker1> halfhalo: Nope. Not at all.
Mar 03 01:52:46 <dkirker1> I figure that everyone that has 2.1 running on a non-German device may be at risk for this problem.
Mar 03 01:53:03 <dkirker1> All of those happy 2.1 users may be sitting on a time bomb.
Mar 03 01:55:06 <RMind> dkirker1, ????
Mar 03 01:55:48 <Davide-NYC> dkirker1: what time bomb?
Mar 03 01:56:04 <dkirker1> Davide-NYC: Ah, you missed my post.
Mar 03 01:56:11 <dkirker1> bloody netsplit
Mar 03 01:56:14 <dkirker1> "So... Has anyone ever had the "Application Database is now full" error on a FrankenPrePlus running 2.1? I got it this morning, I was forced to reset to restore my data and applications, and now **all** of my applications are gone. No level of restoring to 2.1.0 or 1.4.5 seems to be bringing them back..."
Mar 03 01:57:18 <Loudergood> I didn't think it was possible to fill it...if it was PatrickC would've hit the limit a long time ago
Mar 03 01:57:38 <dkirker1> The thing is, I didn't have more than 20 apps installed
Mar 03 01:57:54 <Loudergood> hmmm
Mar 03 01:58:06 <Loudergood> how long ago did you do it?
Mar 03 01:58:23 <dkirker1> I doctored on the 23rd
Mar 03 01:58:39 <Davide-NYC> That sounds terrifying
Mar 03 01:58:56 <dkirker1> received a bunch of error about the mojo database being almost full (this I found out is where the media indexer stores its indexing results)
Mar 03 01:59:02 <dkirker1> those went away
Mar 03 01:59:38 <dkirker1> then I woke up to an app database is full error, and an option to reset now or later. I choose later, and then I received another error (very similar) with only the option to reset now.
Mar 03 02:01:54 <mandaman2k> Hey guy's one quick question, I have a sprint pre- and im updating to webos 2.1, if I don't want the sprint apps, do I just comment or delete line 49 or better just delete it?
Mar 03 02:02:56 <mandaman2k> ohh and does someone have a good link or tutorial about node.js? want to learn more about since I want to continue work of the minstat application for webos 2.x
Mar 03 02:09:22 <mandaman2k> anyone?
Mar 03 02:09:55 <dumbledore> i had 2.1 on my sprint pre-
Mar 03 02:10:16 <dumbledore> metadoctor removed all sprint OEM apps
Mar 03 02:10:28 <dumbledore> navigation, tv, etc....
Mar 03 02:11:02 <dumbledore> there really isnt any sprint apps since 2.1 since it wasnt really made for sprint...
Mar 03 02:16:26 <mandaman2k> dumbledore: yes, i used to have it that way, but the new meta-doctor update has a new sprint script which adds the sprint apps to the doctor...
Mar 03 02:19:06 <Jack87> mandaman2k: did cryptk|offline update the meta meta script?
Mar 03 02:19:13 <RMind> mandaman2k, so use the plain meta script an you won't have the apps?
Mar 03 02:22:28 <mandaman2k> RMind: tried that, but the latest meta-doctor, includes only the latest spint script
Mar 03 02:23:26 <Davide-NYC> Folks, if I *just* wanted to fix my 9.9.9 error could I just run a vanilla Sprint 1.4.5 doctor on my FrankenPre? (just to be cautious)
Mar 03 02:35:49 <cnmizer> Hello
Mar 03 02:39:55 <mandaman2k> Davide-NYC: just copy de the palm-info-masqed back to your pre and do a full reset
Mar 03 02:40:25 <Davide-NYC> I've had the 9.9.9 problem for months
Mar 03 02:40:59 <Davide-NYC> I do not have a palm-info-masqed from the original comm board swap (not sure if it even existed back then)
Mar 03 02:41:22 <Davide-NYC> Maybe it's been weeks instead of months. I don't know.
Mar 03 02:45:43 <mandaman2k> check the forum the meta-doctor update thread and in one of the posts are the contets of the palm-info, just copy it to the /etc/palm-info file in your pre
Mar 03 02:45:47 <mandaman2k> gotta go
Mar 03 02:45:58 <mandaman2k> hope I helped
Mar 03 02:57:28 <djwhitey_pre> Davide-NYC: if you use the palm 1.4.5 doctor, it won't touch your tokens
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