**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 05 02:59:56 2011 Mar 05 03:00:53 So far so good on 800Mhz Mar 05 03:01:25 jstop is a necessity on 2.1.0 Mar 05 03:07:41 has anyone dared purchase a $2000 TI blaze development platform yet? Mar 05 03:07:57 we have a bunch at work Mar 05 03:08:14 it looks like a fun device but im still slightly in sticker shock Mar 05 03:08:32 but it has an rj45 ethernet jack .. how many times have you said "I need a phone with rj45 ethernet" Mar 05 03:08:39 totally worth it Mar 05 03:08:42 haha Mar 05 03:08:43 plus 2 screens on the front Mar 05 03:08:48 and hdmi output Mar 05 03:08:50 especially for mobile penetration testing platform Mar 05 03:09:05 you're into teledildonics ? Mar 05 03:09:24 haha only when im on the transmitting end Mar 05 03:10:16 i keep waiting for TI to make the blaze obsolete with an omap5 Mar 05 03:10:51 just hit a reboot on 800Mhz, trying userspace to see if its a screenstate issue Mar 05 03:10:54 i don't think they'll have omap5 silicon for at least 12 more months Mar 05 03:11:05 damn... thats unfortunate :( Mar 05 03:11:50 i wish sprint would hurry up and get on board with the pre3 now Mar 05 03:12:02 so i dont have change carriers to get the new phone Mar 05 03:12:18 poor sprint cant get onboard when theres nothing to get onboard with yet Mar 05 03:12:38 once they switch to LTE they will Mar 05 03:13:31 sprint is taking too long Mar 05 03:13:39 my original pre is now finally falling apart Mar 05 03:14:02 my pre- just became a board donor Mar 05 03:14:28 hah well if sprint doesnt hurry up ill be buying old phones too Mar 05 03:15:00 I performed a double board bypass on a pretty lil verizon plus Mar 05 03:15:06 currently i have no power button and the touchscreen is starting to act flakey Mar 05 03:15:28 this phones been through hell though Mar 05 03:15:37 destinal, no data comes through the gps passthru :( Mar 05 03:15:39 thousands of 3 foot drops on hard surfaces Mar 05 03:16:51 just buy a vzn plus and perform some surgery Mar 05 03:17:13 i would definitely steal the memory from a plus Mar 05 03:17:20 but i like my center button damn it Mar 05 03:17:28 it's pretty amazing how many people are now routinely mixing and matching webOS hardware pieces ... Mar 05 03:17:54 rod quick question for you - Mar 05 03:18:10 rwhitby: i dont think sprint will repair a pre anymore or replace it even Mar 05 03:18:22 they'll force me to get a different phone Mar 05 03:18:29 I was starting to write a patch to change file permissions for a file related to usb mass storage in /sys/. As of now the file is 644 and it's a one-line change to 666. But it occurred to me that /sys doesn't get mapped when apps are running in their jail. Not sure if there is a way around this? Mar 05 03:18:45 only way to keep a webos device with my current provider is the pixi which i refuse to downgrade to Mar 05 03:19:44 * enen shakes fist at wireless CEOs Mar 05 03:20:06 So even if I change the file permissions, I can't get to the file from within an app. Mar 05 03:21:06 smknutson: don't ask to ask, just ask :) Mar 05 03:21:16 Error454: g'day Mar 05 03:21:25 rwitby: Greetings Mar 05 03:21:33 ^h Mar 05 03:22:40 rwhitby: The day looks grim for my patch unless there is some means to change which folders show up within the jailed environment Mar 05 03:23:22 Error454: what app needs to access the file? Mar 05 03:23:54 rwhitby: Well, presumably any app that wants to mount a file Mar 05 03:24:13 Error454: ok, so a homebrew app could do it Mar 05 03:24:56 rwhitby: Hmm, I haven't written a homebrew app before. What user do homebrew apps run as? Mar 05 03:25:16 well, we create a node.js service which runs as root Mar 05 03:25:38 what about "Homebrew JS Service Framework" ? the description sounds promising for escaping a jail for certain things? Mar 05 03:25:56 RagingMind: that is exactly the technique that Jason and I devised Mar 05 03:25:58 rwhitby: So ideally, the service could handle the mount request and broker these requests for normal apps Mar 05 03:26:07 Error454: correct Mar 05 03:26:28 rwhitby, I just wound up installing that today because one of my favorite patches showed up and depended on it :) Mar 05 03:26:42 rwhitby: So then I don't even need a kernel patch since the file is already 644, a root node.js would do it. Mar 05 03:26:57 I LOVE my video cam flash light Mar 05 03:27:11 Error454: is there a wiki page which describes this technique? Mar 05 03:27:56 Why oh why is my Pre not overclocking? Mar 05 03:28:36 smknutson, sunspots Mar 05 03:29:01 hahha its gotta be Mar 05 03:29:37 rwhitby: Not that I know of. When the mass storage driver initializes, it creates several sysfs entries. One of these entries is a file that is hooked into the gadget-fs file based storage driver. You just echo the device/file you want to mount and away it goes. Mar 05 03:29:42 it was fine 10 hours ago Mar 05 03:30:27 okay, so when the ACM usb port is set to DUN in pass through... both ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 on my linux machine respond to modem commands Mar 05 03:30:36 smknutson, your pre melted? Mar 05 03:30:39 Error454: would you be so kind as to add a page to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Research ? Mar 05 03:31:07 rwhitby: sure Mar 05 03:31:28 RagingMind: perhaps add your findings to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_mpt ... Mar 05 03:31:31 RagingMind: my pre is stuttering to a lockup when overclocked now. Mar 05 03:31:47 Could it be software related? (hoping it is) Mar 05 03:32:18 it will run fine for 2-5 minutes then stutter to a complete lockup Mar 05 03:33:02 only the doctor can help you there Mar 05 03:33:12 smknutson, have your doctored? Mar 05 03:33:14 *you Mar 05 03:33:30 * rwhitby starts hacking on his new Fritz Box Mar 05 03:33:52 RagingMind: I have NOT doctored yet, that is my next step Mar 05 03:34:36 I might just revert back to 145 Mar 05 03:35:18 hmm, so many people haven't followed the suggested naming convention on the wiki, now I'm not sure if I should follow convention (and be in the minority) or follow the crowd (and break convention) Mar 05 03:36:01 Error454: I'm not fussed, as long as the page is linked in the right place. Mar 05 03:37:24 I'll re-doctor and re-attempt UK Mar 05 03:45:17 Does the wiki have any kind of pretty print? Mar 05 03:45:31 dunno, it's standard mediawiki Mar 05 03:46:11 okay. I'm connected though my phone as a modem Mar 05 03:46:15 that was super painless Mar 05 03:46:38 well... not quite network manager easy Mar 05 03:47:01 Well, its locking up on 500Mhz now. Doctoring it as we speak Mar 05 03:47:47 My son hit the power button while it was doctoring earlier, I had to remove the battery and start the doctor process over again, I think it was around 50-60% finished... Mar 05 03:48:30 Could that screw my Pre over for good? Mar 05 03:51:48 smknutson: hardly anything will do that Mar 05 03:52:43 smknutson: if you get a boot logo, you're fine Mar 05 03:52:51 smknutson: if you happened to stop the modem flashing procedure midflash that could be problematic but that's around 64% Mar 05 03:52:56 even if you don't get a boot logo, we can repair it Mar 05 03:53:38 * rwhitby bbl Mar 05 03:54:12 It does boot - the problem is it begins to stutter to a lockup at around 2-5 minutes Mar 05 03:54:28 I havent noticed any network or gps related problems from the modem Mar 05 03:54:45 smknutson: hmmm, that's odd Mar 05 03:55:02 at 500, 800 and 1GHz, on userspace and screenstate Mar 05 03:55:06 smknutson: not anything to do with flashing if you redoctored it after, I iamgine Mar 05 03:55:42 Yes, I started the doctor again. It was overclocking fine, the only thing I can think of is the PC going to sleep in the middle of the doctor Mar 05 03:55:47 smknutson: which kernel? Mar 05 03:55:59 UberKernel and F105 for 2.1.0 Mar 05 03:56:10 smknutson: I've heard of F105 issues but not UK ones Mar 05 03:56:43 smknutson: the doctor thing's not the issue, a coincidence Mar 05 03:56:51 Im going to fresh doctor, and run stock kernel and see if I can reproduce anything. Then install preware, govnah and a kernel and see Mar 05 03:57:22 yeah it's worth trying stock kernel Mar 05 03:57:53 kill -9 patch-portal Mar 05 03:58:04 okay. sometime soon I'll write a wiki page about how to use a pre as a modem Mar 05 03:58:23 but if there's anyone that can help me update a patch that would be super nifty :) Mar 05 03:58:34 Destinal: notice your ip is clsp.qwest, you anywhere near the Springs? Mar 05 03:58:53 or if FreeTether people want to put passthrough control back in... wouldn't need the patch Mar 05 03:58:59 3rd peak in GoG Mar 05 04:01:04 cause right now there's not an easy way to enable passthrough in webos 2.x Mar 05 04:04:31 smknutson: Colorado Springs, yes Mar 05 04:04:50 Ah, Im just north of you in Longmont Mar 05 04:06:25 cool. beautiful area, though I'm looking forward to spring -- I've never been fond of snow and ice, so much :) Mar 05 04:07:05 hmm...that might be a lockup... Mar 05 04:07:12 snow is good, ice isnt Mar 05 04:09:28 nope it's not, at least not yet Mar 05 04:09:31 just a really slow boot Mar 05 04:10:40 Ok, - just reloaded preware and govnah Mar 05 04:12:54 So, I'm trying to test the new Verizon scripts for 2.1 and am having some issues... Mar 05 04:13:07 Lets hear em, JetUni17 Mar 05 04:13:36 so i'm at the cygwin installation part Mar 05 04:13:46 should I just install everything? Mar 05 04:13:58 that'd be a long install Mar 05 04:14:13 JetUni17, it's easier to set up a virtual box environment Mar 05 04:14:37 can i skip the cygwin if I do the Ubuntu VBox Mar 05 04:14:44 Yes Mar 05 04:14:59 that Mar 05 04:15:05 thats what i thought Mar 05 04:15:11 just download ubuntu 10.10 .iso and follow the steps Mar 05 04:15:25 Ive found a lot of ubuntu 9.10 .isos are defective Mar 05 04:16:28 so i followed the steps on the first link and got a VM in the list, but when I try to power it up, it doesn't work Mar 05 04:16:36 Whats it say? Mar 05 04:16:58 do you have any .isos or software to load in it? Mar 05 04:17:09 FATAL: No bootable medium found! Mar 05 04:17:17 Yeah, you need to download ubuntu 10.10 Mar 05 04:17:30 What you have now is basically like a hard drive with no OS Mar 05 04:17:53 Wiki editing is some painful stuff, I wish it had a 'post from wordpress' feature. Just created http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Mounting_Files_and_Devices_as_USB_Mass_Storage Mar 05 04:18:14 hang on...i think i might've found my problem Mar 05 04:20:13 it's an .iso file right? Mar 05 04:20:19 should be, yes Mar 05 04:24:35 Error454: that's very nice Mar 05 04:25:26 destinal: Thanks, I'm looking at making a node.js service to exploit it for some awesome apps Mar 05 04:26:02 Error454: yeah I was just thinking that something that could let you toss in virtual cd's would be handy for installing linux or windows on a pc for instacne Mar 05 04:26:38 destinal: I was thinking a truecrypt image which is then exposed on USB Mar 05 04:26:45 destinal: Oh... now that's a crazy idea. Maybe mounting an nfs share on the pre and then mounting an iso? Mar 05 04:27:14 Error454: I was thinking of just mounting it from local storage on the pre but whatever works :) Mar 05 04:27:23 rwhitby: very cool idea Mar 05 04:27:25 destinal: I guess you could throw a full iso on the pre Mar 05 04:27:39 mount sshfs onto the pre, expose via usb Mar 05 04:28:14 rwhitby: though the mass storage drive Error454 refers to is raw disk access, right? Mar 05 04:28:27 * rwhitby dunnos Mar 05 04:28:40 raw as opposed to? Mar 05 04:28:46 block/char? Mar 05 04:29:07 Error454: like you can't export a mounted filesystem, it has to be a file or block device Mar 05 04:29:49 destinal: afaik you are correct, you can't just point it at any directory Mar 05 04:30:05 smknutson: actually the Ubuntu .iso won't load Mar 05 04:30:13 right because the system mounting the disk expects it to work at the disk layer Mar 05 04:30:16 trying to mount /media/internal would do nothing but pointing at the /dev entry would work Mar 05 04:30:56 Error454: now you could make an exotic mass storage driver that pretended to be a disk and accessed an fs, but that would be rather tricky I imagine Mar 05 04:31:40 you'd have to create virtual blocks in some file system format and map them back and forth, really non trivial Mar 05 04:31:48 destinal: I don't think I'll be doing that ;) these drivers are nightmares to dig through. Mar 05 04:32:27 yeah I'm ok with just adding virtual disk Mar 05 04:32:29 ss Mar 05 04:32:34 I'm a little upset that Palm didn't update the driver in WebOS 2. It is very outdated and has a list of bugs equivalent to the national deficit Mar 05 04:32:46 ^US Mar 05 04:33:31 Error454: the nice thing about custom kernels is we could backport a newer version in one of our kernels without waiting for palm to update them Mar 05 04:34:17 destinal: This is true and that's what I would do being a techie. But in the back of my mind I always think to myself that my grandma isn't going to know how to do that. Mar 05 04:34:52 Error454: well, depends, can your grandma install preware and then uberkernel? :) Mar 05 04:35:03 When I give her her first palmpad and she wants to plug into the set top box in the nursing home, it damn well better detect her device! Mar 05 04:35:35 destinal: haha, at 94, I'm not making any bets Mar 05 04:36:06 Error454: have you looked at any other usb driver related stuff? I wonder if media sync is still in 2.x Mar 05 04:36:47 destinal: I have looked at quite a bit. The 2.x driver is identical to 1.4.X. The media sync stuff is in there but parts are commented out. Mar 05 04:36:58 also I can think of some other drivers it would be cool to write, like a virtual multitouch pad you just plug into your pc for instance Mar 05 04:37:17 no reasons we can't to other things besides just mass storage Mar 05 04:37:25 destinal: You mean like a bluetooth keyboard/mouse? Mar 05 04:37:47 So the Ubuntu VM won't let me specify the .iso to make it run Mar 05 04:37:49 Error454: well I was thinking of usb, but a bluetooth may be possible too I suppose Mar 05 04:38:26 destinal: I was starting to research whether there were generic HID profiles I could use to hack together a Pre driver for bluetooth keyboard/mouse Mar 05 04:38:42 JetUni17: on the right side do you see the Storage section Mar 05 04:39:18 yes Mar 05 04:39:35 Error454: wait, to make a pre act as a bt keyboard / mouse or to use one? Mar 05 04:39:41 Click it and you should see two virtual hardwares, a IDE and SATA controller Mar 05 04:39:59 yes Mar 05 04:40:10 destinal: To make the pre act as a bt keyboard/mouse. I wanted to control my media center (linux box) from my couch. Mar 05 04:40:11 Under IDE controller, click the cd with a green plus, add cd/dvd Mar 05 04:40:36 JetUni17: then just select the .iso you downloaded Mar 05 04:41:11 in my experience, VNC is painful on the pre, bt keyboard/mouse would make more sense Mar 05 04:41:49 ( i wish I could speak developer like you guys ) Mar 05 04:42:37 when I select the folder to find the .iso file it brings up another window with CD/DVD images for the Palm emulators and i click add and locate the file Mar 05 04:42:38 Error454: that would be handy since you wouldn't need drivers. I had been thinking of using a multitouch protocol like TUIO Mar 05 04:42:42 just bitch about makefiles and talk about callbacks a lot .. Mar 05 04:42:45 this is where i have the problems Mar 05 04:43:12 bpadalino: heh, between hidd and npapi I don't want to see another callback Mar 05 04:43:17 :) Mar 05 04:43:19 :P Mar 05 04:44:16 JetUni17: you should be able to just select the ubuntu .iso as a file and have it load it Mar 05 04:44:23 destinal: I don't understand what TUIO is used for. Mar 05 04:45:03 Error454: one of the things is for multitouch pads over IP Mar 05 04:45:40 like putting a cd in a tray Mar 05 04:46:35 Has anyone in the US received their Pre 2 dev device yet? Mar 05 04:46:53 Error454: you mean the free ones? I haven't heard Mar 05 04:46:58 VD: error VERR_VD_RAW_INVALID_HEADER opening image file That's the error I'm getting Mar 05 04:47:03 destinal: Yeah, the freebies Mar 05 04:47:25 JetUni17: you may have a corrupt file Mar 05 04:47:38 i'll redownload i guess Mar 05 04:54:59 I'd like a free Pre 2 Mar 05 04:55:41 10 years from now a pre 2 will be like a monochrome nokia Mar 05 04:58:59 destinal: did you see the latest post in the Terminal thread? Mar 05 04:59:02 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224502-terminal-app-new-post.html Mar 05 04:59:52 rwhitby: ahh.. that would explain it Mar 05 05:02:40 rwhitby: I'll check that out this weekend, that's an area of the code I've worked with quite a bit, the npapi stuff and the drawing buffer Mar 05 05:04:15 rwhitby: also it's very irritating if what he says is true and palm still hasn't released a version of webkit that actually builds. maybe HP will be better with this, I requested it from palm long ago and they more or less said, it's not our job to give you a version that compiles Mar 05 05:05:34 destinal: what's the topic about ? Mar 05 05:05:56 joebpre: comments in the this thread on terminal http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224502-terminal-app-new-post.html Mar 05 05:06:29 "For some reason the webcore-patch does not include some header files I think they have created... such as nppalmdefs.h. " etc Mar 05 05:06:49 I haven't updated meta-doctor since my 1.4.5 hacking days. The new scripts are smooth as hell Mar 05 05:08:30 yep .. 2.1 is to slow for me 0_o Mar 05 05:08:42 joebpre: even overclocked? Mar 05 05:09:50 hm about 1 week ago prepared just had palms official kernel .. am I missing something ... can it be overclocked now ? Mar 05 05:10:11 s/prepared/preware Mar 05 05:11:45 joebpre: yeah, uberkernel is out for it now Mar 05 05:11:55 with OC support Mar 05 05:11:56 "You will not be able to purchase apps that require a minimum webOS 2.x version." :( Mar 05 05:12:00 :-) Mar 05 05:12:16 Error454: if you have world ready or sprint phone you can Mar 05 05:12:36 destinal: I have an att unlocked on tmobile Mar 05 05:12:41 coo Mar 05 05:12:50 * joebpre restasrts luna Mar 05 05:13:15 oh fun...luna loops. :P Mar 05 05:13:20 how did I do that? Mar 05 05:13:42 you worked it Mar 05 05:13:52 What exactly is a world ready phone? Is it just a gsm device that isn't tied to a carrier? Mar 05 05:14:03 ka6sox: you broke it. if you're messing with the kernel, maybe due to powervr kernel module. it's touchy at times. Mar 05 05:14:58 destinal, yup...thats what I'm doing... Mar 05 05:15:12 arrgh...okay. Mar 05 05:15:20 ka6sox: it can be helpful sometimes to do Mar 05 05:15:25 stop LunaSysMgr Mar 05 05:15:38 then just run LunaSysMgr from command line ssh or whatever Mar 05 05:15:50 so it's not running as a service and you can see the output Mar 05 05:16:06 okay...I can do that let me see if I can get anything useful. Mar 05 05:21:06 Error454: world ready = quadband gsm Mar 05 05:33:51 why do we NOT have a wikipedia entry? Mar 05 05:38:06 good question Mar 05 05:41:07 * ka6sox rips off SCaLE promo for WOSI and puts it up on wikipedia Mar 05 05:58:21 ka6sox, link us! Mar 05 05:58:56 huh? Mar 05 05:59:38 when is scale? Mar 05 05:59:38 link to whatever you are doing on wikipedia? Mar 05 05:59:51 undrwater, over...... next feb 2012 Mar 05 06:00:21 damn... Mar 05 06:00:23 :P Mar 05 06:01:55 undrwater, http://www.twitvid.com/6OS8F Mar 05 06:02:18 Jack87: socali? Mar 05 06:02:28 scale yo Mar 05 06:03:07 man behind desk == cryptk .... Jack87 == dude blocking camera :-) Mar 05 06:03:14 heheehh Mar 05 06:03:25 so...what the hell was that all about? Mar 05 06:03:25 me=hidden Mar 05 06:03:44 Girl in pink hat == Adora Mar 05 06:04:00 actually, me==guy who gives other guy pre2's Mar 05 06:04:17 that was lisa brewster == Adora being kidnapped and brought over to bunch of hackers == WebOS-Internals Booth Mar 05 06:04:39 (she knew about it in advance) Mar 05 06:04:44 what's adora? Mar 05 06:04:52 Adora: "What's going on?" Me: "You're being hacked!" Mar 05 06:04:54 good question Mar 05 06:04:55 hehe yes halfhalo is left of camera Mar 05 06:05:01 "What's adora" Mar 05 06:05:05 goodness Mar 05 06:05:06 :D Mar 05 06:05:09 Adora's a person :C Mar 05 06:05:10 ~adora Mar 05 06:05:11 Cross-Platform Email Client for Linux and Windows. URL: http://www.sover.net/~senecal/adora.html Mar 05 06:05:23 see! Mar 05 06:05:36 Adora works with Palm Dev Relations Mar 05 06:05:36 http://www.scalpelsedge.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dora-explorer-show.jpg Mar 05 06:05:43 there we go Mar 05 06:05:58 rwhitby, you are close Mar 05 06:05:59 rwhitby: she is indeed a dora Mar 05 06:06:30 she is also in the channel, lol Mar 05 06:06:52 she is spying on us Mar 05 06:07:03 Hi Adora! Mar 05 06:07:12 Adora: forgive me for referring to you as an object Mar 05 06:07:20 every cool person in the video is in the channel Mar 05 06:07:26 heheh Mar 05 06:07:37 anyone who is anyone is here...and the hanger's-on Mar 05 06:07:46 ...and the roadies Mar 05 06:08:08 <<< Roadie Mar 05 06:08:11 I think i have only seen one person who received a pre2 during Scale9x actually show up here. Mar 05 06:08:34 ka6sox was busy making scale9x run Mar 05 06:08:52 "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" Mar 05 06:09:12 when you "prepare your pallm profile" for 2.1, will it delete any apps I bought? Mar 05 06:10:30 * Jack87 should really go drinking on a friday night. most of the homework is caught up Mar 05 06:13:14 * ka6sox lets jack out of the dungeon after he spent time getting done. Mar 05 06:13:19 haha Mar 05 06:13:35 hehe Mar 05 06:14:19 JetUni: we have not had any reports of apps being lost Mar 05 06:14:47 I lost AB but that might have been my error. Mar 05 06:14:48 that's great! Mar 05 06:14:59 AB? Mar 05 06:15:15 * halfhalo lost his mind Mar 05 06:15:20 Angry Birds (no great loss as its a Time Sink) Mar 05 06:15:45 atlanta has been seen. Mar 05 06:15:57 Has the redirect from www.palm.com/profile been on a maintenance parking page for awhile or do I have bad timing? Mar 05 06:17:31 that is recent to my knowledge Mar 05 06:17:52 Error454, https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/ Mar 05 06:17:54 use that one Mar 05 06:18:04 that is the direct link and seems to still be up Mar 05 06:18:18 cryptk: thanks, that's working Mar 05 06:19:00 oh, Angry Birds.. Mar 05 06:19:08 Error454, that link you posted has a treo :) Mar 05 06:19:15 night everyone have a good one Mar 05 06:19:33 Jack87, no texting while drinking. Mar 05 06:19:38 night Jack87 Mar 05 06:19:46 ka6sox, yes sir Mar 05 06:20:05 he he Mar 05 06:23:13 So I took a gamble and lost, didn't delete my profile data and now am stuck at the restore screen on 2.1. Should I reflash 1.4.5 and delete the profile or is there another way? Mar 05 06:23:40 Error454, so the well explained instructions that have been tested and refined... Mar 05 06:23:44 you ignored them? Mar 05 06:23:54 sounds like you need to start over and follow the directions Mar 05 06:24:14 Well, the directions said " it may be necessary to clear some Palm Profile data" Mar 05 06:24:20 Not "it IS necessary" Mar 05 06:39:31 so if i have ubuntu in a VM, then I follow the Linux instructions for Meta-Doctor right? Mar 05 06:41:30 is it me or does prepared only show official palm kernel and a uberkernel that even of you install it govnah moment have any different overclocking presets Mar 05 06:44:36 hey...i have a working ebuild of the sdk and novacom...is there a good place to host it? Mar 05 06:52:12 i'll ask tomorrow Mar 05 07:35:05 when will the palm profile website update to what os version you have after doctoring? Mar 05 07:36:48 graywolf336: with the 2.1 doctors? Mar 05 07:36:53 Yes Mar 05 07:39:18 depends, what carrier and when did you build the metadoctor Mar 05 07:40:43 sprint and the latest metadoctor script for it Mar 05 07:42:48 should have done it automatically from what I understand Mar 05 07:43:17 Hummm ok Mar 05 07:47:52 did you git pull and make clobber? Mar 05 07:59:03 Yeah.. Odd thing was i didn't delete any palm profile stuff and it all got restored and my device even said it was 2.1 but my palm profile online still says it is 1.4.5 Mar 05 08:47:24 Not sure if anyone is here, but I'll ask anyway. Is there an easy way to download a patch from the patch portal website? Mar 05 08:49:01 no, but you can go to ipkg.preware.org/feeds and go into the right patches folder and download the ipk Mar 05 08:51:17 firefox doesn't seem to like list dir contens so well. The patch names are longer then the unresizeable column Mar 05 08:51:41 if you mouse over you should see the full name in the status bar Mar 05 08:51:49 (it pops up with it in chrome) Mar 05 08:52:20 or view page source and search for what you're looking for Mar 05 08:52:23 Yeah, I saw. Ok, I guess I'll do it that that. Mar 05 08:52:48 I was gonna go through all the patches I have on my 1.4.5 phone and start updating them for 2.1.0. Mar 05 08:53:06 I was hoping I wouldn't have to download the ipks and open them up, but oh well. Not that big a deal Mar 05 09:06:16 ::sigh:: What's the easiest way to open .ipk's in linux/osx? Mar 05 09:06:23 I'm used to just using 7zip in windows Mar 05 09:08:05 zinge, archive manager works great Mar 05 09:08:31 thats for linux (ubuntu) dunno about osx Mar 05 09:09:54 Ok Mar 05 09:10:35 i think it is preinstalled in ubuntu... i am not sure is that the distro you are using? Mar 05 09:10:56 No, I'm on osx. Just figured there might be some overlap Mar 05 09:11:16 I could just boot up parallels and use 7zip, but that seems like way overkill. Time for google. Mar 05 09:11:56 there has to be some easy archiver program (i havent used osx for over a year) Mar 05 09:12:26 zinge, virtual box runs amazingly FYI i prefer it over vmware/parallels Mar 05 09:13:25 I have a bootcamp partition for real windows things. I use parallels because coherence works really well when I just need to run an app that I don't have an osx equivelent for. Mar 05 09:15:05 unzip? Mar 05 09:15:20 i always thought parallels was slow (keep in mind i used it years ago im sure it is better now) however you can boot physical drive/bootcamp using virtual box. but takes a bit of elbo grease Mar 05 09:15:31 Dumb. tar -xvf works. Mar 05 09:15:52 :) Mar 05 09:16:26 I had a parallels install booting my bootcamp drive, but had some problems with macdrive not picking up when in parallels, so the drive mappings were funky. I eventually gave up,as I have plenty of space on this box for multiple windows installs. Mar 05 09:17:31 * Jack87 personal experience with osx is with hackintosh netbook Mar 05 09:17:33 Hmmm... question #2: can I get tar to recursively extract everything? I just want to pull the freakin' patch files out of all these ipk's :-) Mar 05 09:18:03 Last machine was hackintoshed, but I gave up on that too. Sold the tower to my dad to pay for a mac tower. Mar 05 09:18:12 (Needed Final Cut) Mar 05 09:18:49 i cant justify the cost of the hardware when same hardware is fraction of the price Mar 05 09:19:46 Makes sense. I need Final Cut for work things, and I decided that hacking at kexts to make my graphics/sound cards work wasn't worth the time/effort. Mar 05 09:20:47 I'm sure there is a better way to do this... but I don't feel like figuring it out at the moment. booting windows so I can extract patchs with 7zip :-) Mar 05 09:21:11 3.... 2.... 1....... annd.... its done booting. Mar 05 09:21:32 thats how fast my windows boots on my machine in vbox hehe Mar 05 09:21:54 I cant figure out why it is so fast never used to be before till my last fresh install of everything Mar 05 09:25:21 Much better. Extracted 12 patches. Let's see if I can do any damage... Mar 05 09:42:06 zinge: all the patches are on gitorious.org in the webos-internals/modifications.git repo Mar 05 09:42:56 That would probably have been the best way to do it. Oh well. I'm already working on the ones I grabbed. 1 down, 11 to go. Mar 05 09:43:24 Hopefully I can get another 1 or 2 done before I have to go for the night. Mar 05 09:43:57 http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/trees/webos-1.4.5 Mar 05 09:45:01 Thanks, bookmarking for next time Mar 05 09:45:09 * oil needs to update boom action time for 210 Mar 05 09:45:25 * oil assumes it still works Mar 05 09:47:26 Do I need to update the maintainer/email on these when I submit them? Mar 05 09:49:36 * bhuey has got a cracked Pre screen Mar 05 09:49:41 the phone is unusable now Mar 05 09:52:08 any suggestions on repairing i ? Mar 05 09:52:09 it ? Mar 05 09:53:34 bhuey, pre? pre plus? Mar 05 09:54:04 bhuey, i say get your hands on a bad ESN pre plus and do a comm board swap (or better yet a pre 2) Mar 05 09:59:26 2 down Mar 05 09:59:43 Ah crap... Mar 05 10:00:42 Should I change the maintainer email to my own? Or should I leave it? I don't want to change it so they can maintain their patches (I'm not doing anything but updating them for 2.1.0), but I also don't want a bunch of people to get "Your patch was updated" emails and be confused... Mar 05 10:01:41 Also... should I be getting permission from the original patch authors before updating? Mar 05 10:01:56 * zinge suddenly thinks his plan wasn't such a good idea... Mar 05 10:02:38 zinge, something tells me you are good dude Mar 05 10:02:44 they are all GPL Mar 05 10:03:10 :-) I'm worried because I just updated one of rwhitby's patches... Mar 05 10:03:27 Jack87: Sprint Pre Mar 05 10:03:29 zinge, i think he would be thrilled that he didnt have to do it Mar 05 10:03:48 bhuey, see if you can get a pre plus with bad esn for cheap and do a comboard swap Mar 05 10:04:27 zinge: you might ask the original author if he's just working on it? Mar 05 10:04:45 doing 2.x versions of it? Mar 05 10:04:53 zinge, he wouldnt mind your email addy on it im sure he gets enough emails as is haha. Mar 05 10:05:09 Ok. Probably a good idea. This was more of a quick "I'll go through and do 2.1.0 versions of patches that are keeping me from updating my main phone" Mar 05 10:05:29 zinge: all the patches on the portal are MIT. Add your name to the end of the comma-separated maintainer list if you wish. Mar 05 10:05:47 I dunno why i keep saying GPL MIT i knew this. we talked about it the other day Mar 05 10:06:03 if an author disagrees with your update, they are free to push a second update to overwrite it. Mar 05 10:06:12 That's what I thought, especially since there seems to be encouragement for people to update things. I just wanted to double check. Thanks rwhitby. Mar 05 10:06:37 if you were to delete their name from the maintainer list, that would be a different story Mar 05 10:07:08 but even then, they could push an update to put it back Mar 05 10:07:10 I wasn't sure whether or not I should bother adding my own name to the list. Not taking anyone else off anything. Mar 05 10:07:50 The effort you made to test it and submit it is a contribution Mar 05 10:08:00 the UberCalendar patches seem to be somehow broken... Need to resubmit Mar 05 10:08:08 especially if you were to take a great screenshot and submit that. Mar 05 10:10:21 zinge: MetaView also has a point that posting in the thread referenced in the Patch metadata that you are about to work on it cannot hurt. Mar 05 10:11:01 zinge: BTW, did you fix Show Wifi SSID while you were porting it? Mar 05 10:11:29 I didn't make any changes except switching to Mojo.Dom.get('carrier') Mar 05 10:11:41 Since that's what the rest of the calls in bar-assistant were using Mar 05 10:11:59 * rwhitby bbl Mar 05 10:13:01 I'll post in the thread/screenshot/etc for the rest of the ones on my list. I was just trying to do a quick run-and-gun through a couple of these before my gf gets here. Mar 05 10:13:38 Jack87: a good idea, but I need a phone immediately so it's looking like I'm going to get the EVO tomorrow Mar 05 10:14:28 And... she's here. Have a goodnight all Mar 05 10:14:41 bhuey, on no android! haha... i am talking to silly folk in #nookcolor and they call writing things to sdcards "burning" Mar 05 10:14:42 as you've might have guessed, I'm not particularly thrilled about the data one my device being traped on a phone that's non-functional Mar 05 10:15:36 I can't even run save-restore on it Mar 05 10:15:42 I'm fucked Mar 05 10:15:48 bhuey, you can ssh in Mar 05 10:15:53 is it in devmode? Mar 05 10:15:54 yeah, novacom Mar 05 10:15:56 yes Mar 05 10:16:16 I did an rsync of the device just yesterday Mar 05 10:16:20 there we go.. novacom in.. install ssh/sftp Mar 05 10:16:23 minus the system directories Mar 05 10:16:27 connect to it and pull the shit you wan Mar 05 10:16:29 want* Mar 05 10:16:30 ssh already installed Mar 05 10:16:44 yeah, what about extracting the contacts ? Mar 05 10:16:49 that's the big one Mar 05 10:17:01 bhuey, were they attached to your palm account? Mar 05 10:17:02 ooh wait there's scripts for this Mar 05 10:17:04 perl scripts Mar 05 10:17:12 to manipulated the db directly Mar 05 10:17:53 bhuey, if they were attached to google than you dont have to worry about it. should be synced with your google contacts. if palm.. not so much... but if you can do it via scripts great Mar 05 10:18:37 bhuey, if its any consolation... if i had to i would get an evo on sprint as well... but i cant leave webos Mar 05 10:19:17 are their ebay kits for replacing the screen ? Mar 05 10:19:23 you do have a 30day return policy :) while you wait for a pre plus or pre 2 in the mail for the comm board swap Mar 05 10:19:52 bhuey, haha a pre plus w/ bad esn would prolly be cheaper and easier but no i dont think there are Mar 05 10:19:54 yeah, I have to consider getting another pre plus or something Mar 05 10:24:15 bhuey, not sure what the hell this is but check it out http://cgi.ebay.com/PALM-PRE-PLUS-OEM-LCD-DIGITIZER-DISPLAY-SCREEN-PART-/300527807069?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item45f8da6a5d#ht_1090wt_865 Mar 05 10:26:11 Jack87: what about doing the swap with and AT&T Pre Plus ? Mar 05 10:26:13 is that possible Mar 05 10:26:29 ya same difference Mar 05 10:26:41 you can do att com swap as well Mar 05 10:26:50 whatever you find cheaper Mar 05 10:31:40 i am out. goodnight guys Mar 05 11:04:29 Jack87: I'll probably get both Mar 05 11:04:47 something to replace the screen and then something to do the comm board upgrade Mar 05 11:04:57 no pre 2 hardware yet, it's just too expensive Mar 05 11:32:55 bhuey, why would you need to get two phones? Mar 05 11:33:02 you just get a pre plus, put yur comm board in it Mar 05 12:15:26 cryptk: it's something to consider Mar 05 12:15:50 well, you can't really upgrade a comm board... Mar 05 12:15:52 I don't like the idea of a device half dead that can be fixed with a screen replacement Mar 05 12:15:58 all CDMA phones use the same CDMA comm board Mar 05 12:16:16 yeah, I realized what you're saying Mar 05 12:16:47 I'm just saying that I like the idea of having a device that I can sell back to somebody Mar 05 12:16:53 ahh Mar 05 12:17:03 just have broken device laying around is kind of shitty Mar 05 12:17:06 AFAIK, nobody sells just the screen... Mar 05 12:17:11 ebay Mar 05 12:17:27 there's a HK company apparently selling replacement parts Mar 05 12:22:24 on the other hand this Pre is pretty fucking beat up Mar 05 12:22:30 broken power switch Mar 05 12:22:39 amoungst other things Mar 05 12:55:44 hi Mar 05 12:56:07 my pre2 got crazy Mar 05 12:56:38 echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward . Then BOOM!! Mar 05 12:56:50 wth? Mar 05 12:57:34 pre2 unlocked my dic* Mar 05 12:59:23 admiral0, how were you connected to it? and what were you trying to do? Mar 05 12:59:53 cryptk: usbnet,ssh Mar 05 13:00:04 i was trying to tether Mar 05 13:00:15 you know we have freetether for that right? Mar 05 13:00:35 yes, but it's java afaikt Mar 05 13:00:41 no java on pre 2 Mar 05 13:00:42 no it isn't Mar 05 13:00:47 it works fine on pre2 Mar 05 13:00:49 freetether is made by us here at WOSI Mar 05 13:00:53 none of our stuff is java Mar 05 13:01:10 i'll try it Mar 05 13:01:20 and even Jason's java stuff has been converted over to node.js now so even his stuff works on the Pre2 Mar 05 13:01:29 admiral0, it works, and works pretty well Mar 05 13:01:36 allows tether over WiFi, USB and BT Mar 05 13:01:49 cryptk: i can't get widk to compile Mar 05 13:02:05 and a better description than "got crazy" and "BOOM!!" would be needed for me to know what happened Mar 05 13:02:08 says about missing threads lib Mar 05 13:02:26 cryptk: it dropped wan connection and telephone network Mar 05 13:02:37 and ip_forward file acted strangely Mar 05 13:02:44 admiral0, widk is in a constant state of flux, sometimes it doesn't compile... find the package that failed to compile and move it into the 'nonworking' folder Mar 05 13:02:44 brb gallery (on n900) Mar 05 13:02:47 then rebuild Mar 05 13:03:42 brb Mar 05 13:11:49 i'm back Mar 05 13:12:17 i see no freetether in preware Mar 05 13:12:47 where is it? Mar 05 13:13:28 * admiral0 foreveralone.jpg Mar 05 13:14:01 cryptk ping Mar 05 13:33:20 missed him... Mar 05 13:41:57 * phil_bw wanders by in a sleepy haze Mar 05 13:43:06 It's too bloody early Mar 05 16:16:07 hm, weird. I had my Pre- with webos 2.1.0 in my pocket for a few hours while running some errands. When I got home I noticed it had powered off. Had to hold power button for a few seconds and fully boot it (webOS mascot, hp logo etc.). Now all apps that I am starting behave as if they are running for the first time. (webos tools showing their first use help page, foursquare asking me again to sign in to my profile etc.) Mar 05 16:18:01 any1 here with 2.1 having issues with mail Mar 05 16:18:38 my mail ( AES ) is unusable slow Mar 05 16:19:00 well it is not too fast but it is working Mar 05 16:19:32 the whole pre gets pretty slow when it is syncing all mail accounts in the background Mar 05 16:19:42 1.4.5 had no issues Mar 05 16:19:56 for me it's not much different than 1.4.5 Mar 05 16:20:14 pre- that is ? Mar 05 16:20:28 yeah, pre- here Mar 05 16:21:15 I tried pre- with 2.1 before the overclock was available and couldn't handle the slowness. Mar 05 16:21:46 How is it with overclock? Mar 05 16:21:53 well frankly 1.4.5 wasn't a speed monster without overclocking either ;) Mar 05 16:22:02 No argument here :) Mar 05 16:22:10 I would say with overclock it is usable Mar 05 16:22:19 k, I might try it again. Mar 05 16:22:24 here its pre+ Mar 05 16:22:33 showoff Mar 05 16:22:37 is overclock already out ? Mar 05 16:22:40 I am using it on a spare Pre- I have... Mar 05 16:22:50 I think it might be in testing feeds? Mar 05 16:22:50 There is a _testing_ uberkernel Mar 05 16:22:53 But it is available Mar 05 16:23:03 ah like that Mar 05 16:23:08 yeah kernel testing feeds Mar 05 16:23:33 There seem to be minor issues with the Screenstate govenor (switching back to 500 occasionally) Mar 05 16:23:37 I didn't like the warning about melting my pre ;) Mar 05 16:23:46 but Fixed Speed 800 MHz seems to be working for most people Mar 05 16:23:52 Cool Mar 05 16:24:15 any eta on that ? Mar 05 16:24:17 Anyone know if Spring still has refurbs if you are in the first year? My screen is cracking badly... Mar 05 16:24:18 Well my Pre must be a heap of plastic meltdown already if that is true :) Mar 05 16:24:22 s/Spring/Spring/ Mar 05 16:24:26 Sprint Mar 05 16:24:27 dang Mar 05 16:24:51 what do you mean eta... on what? Mar 05 16:25:21 doubledubwss: sprint replaced my pre under TEP in mid-january Mar 05 16:25:46 Cool - too much misinfo out there Mar 05 16:25:50 I think they have plenty of refurbs to go around. lol Mar 05 16:26:09 I figured there should be but have seen some strange posts on the forums. Mar 05 16:26:13 they should start a refurb 2.1 programme ;) Mar 05 16:26:28 heh Mar 05 16:26:39 not only can our kernels possibly melt your pre... Mar 05 16:26:44 ...they can eat your babies also Mar 05 16:26:51 :) Mar 05 16:26:55 only when you turn it up to 11 Mar 05 16:27:02 we just want people to know that when overclocking, there is a possibility of hardware damage Mar 05 16:27:04 yeah, there was an article from Derek that implied that you couldn't get a replacement pre Mar 05 16:27:10 we do our best to make sure things are relatively safe Mar 05 16:27:20 I am glad I have no babies :D Mar 05 16:27:26 I think most people understand... Mar 05 16:27:27 but there is always a certain level of danger when you run things at a higher performance level than they are designed for Mar 05 16:27:27 but he just meant new replacements Mar 05 16:27:37 *most* is the key word... Mar 05 16:27:44 Ah Mar 05 16:27:51 No *new* pre's, just refurbs Mar 05 16:27:54 cryptk, that is well understood Mar 05 16:28:01 yep ;) Mar 05 16:28:16 the best way to convey that message though it to tell people it can melt things... Mar 05 16:28:26 first time I ran SR-71 my phone melted my TV Mar 05 16:28:37 no matter how much you warn, some idiots will always complain when they bork their phone Mar 05 16:28:37 and started a brush fire in california Mar 05 16:28:47 cryptk, any eta for mainstream ? Mar 05 16:28:50 which was amazing considering I wasn't in california at the time Mar 05 16:28:51 lol Mar 05 16:28:52 cryptk: has there actually ever been a report of a fried pre? Mar 05 16:28:53 b/c it seems the omaps they put in seem to take overclocking really well Mar 05 16:29:05 m-h-k, I don't personally know of any Mar 05 16:29:31 there have been many reports of phones not booting on a kernel, but you can memboot a known good kernel and fix that easy Mar 05 16:29:42 yeah I realize the memboot thing Mar 05 16:30:00 and UK is especially safe considering it defaults to safe mode Mar 05 16:30:48 I am actually very surprised the 600 MHz CPU can take overclocking to 1 GHz and does not fail immediately Mar 05 16:30:54 I don't think there have been any confirmed reports...the chips seem resilient. I know I found mine scorching hot and it seemed like it had been that way for a while. pulled the batt and tossed it in the freezer and it was fine. Mar 05 16:31:22 m-h-k, until I got my Pre2, my Pre- stayed set to screenstate 500/1.2GHz Mar 05 16:31:23 I mean, that is +66% and I do not know many CPUs that would accept that Mar 05 16:31:24 The heat for me always seems to be radio or gps related, not so much cpu Mar 05 16:31:43 DoubleDubWSS, biggest heat source is a charging battery Mar 05 16:31:43 cryptk: how fast did that run down your battery :) Mar 05 16:31:48 m-h-k: vendors tend to "underclock" Mar 05 16:32:15 m-h-k, not too bad... I was running 1.2GHz at only slightly more voltage than the phone used atock at 500 Mar 05 16:32:19 especially in embedded systems Mar 05 16:32:20 s/atock/stock/ Mar 05 16:32:22 cryptk meant: m-h-k, not too bad... I was running 1.2GHz at only slightly more voltage than the phone used stock at 500 Mar 05 16:32:34 and at 500 it was using much less than it did at 500 stock Mar 05 16:32:50 believe it or not, I actually usually got better life out of the battery, lol Mar 05 16:32:59 mainly from the voltage tweaking Mar 05 16:33:03 yeah it is magic ;) Mar 05 16:33:10 so the voltage at 500 was lower than stock? Mar 05 16:33:18 yes Mar 05 16:33:26 how did you fiddle with that to get it right Mar 05 16:33:29 my voltage at 500 was lower than stock voltage at 500 Mar 05 16:33:42 slowly turned the voltage down with govnah until I ran into issues Mar 05 16:33:46 or did you devise any method to calculate it Mar 05 16:33:51 ok I see Mar 05 16:33:54 I might try that Mar 05 16:33:56 then then bump it back up to something stable Mar 05 16:34:06 same way I do it on a PC Mar 05 16:34:14 make small changes at a time and test Mar 05 16:34:19 keep records of what is stable Mar 05 16:34:22 I never played with voltage on my PC.. just overclock a little Mar 05 16:34:29 ugh..hardcopy Mar 05 16:35:27 hm... how about an "autospeedifyer".. keeps adjusting voltages until the device fails, remembers this on next boot and bumps it a little... etc. Just run it overnight and the next morning you are all set? Mar 05 16:35:52 Now you're just being lazy... Mar 05 16:35:54 :) Mar 05 16:35:58 not a good plan Mar 05 16:36:00 s/voltages/voltages and clock/ Mar 05 16:36:00 m-h-k meant: hm... how about an "autospeedifyer".. keeps adjusting voltages and clock until the device fails, remembers this on next boot and bumps it a little... etc. Just run it overnight and the next morning you are all set? Mar 05 16:36:17 I just love automation for tedious stuff Mar 05 16:36:57 it needs a kernel like UK which reverts to stock speed on fail boots Mar 05 16:37:07 m-h-k, you need to test it under load Mar 05 16:37:11 not at idle Mar 05 16:37:24 well make that part of the tool. THere's load test tools. Mar 05 16:40:33 plus, it would have to be pretty clever software to observe all the ways an undeervoltage situation manifests. they get weird. Mar 05 16:41:06 and the software would be running on the chip it was monitoring. Mar 05 16:41:25 you are missing the big one Mar 05 16:41:25 how do you observe it as a human? Mar 05 16:41:49 if you had a tool like that, people who had no clue what they were doing with voltages would be tweaking their voltages Mar 05 16:42:00 voltage glitching creates...sideeffects Mar 05 16:42:13 and then we would have to answer many more questions about random side affects that only come up sometimes... Mar 05 16:42:40 someone who knows what they are doing with undervolting would recognize it as a residual side affect of the undervolting they did last week and adjust voltages to correct it Mar 05 16:42:59 the average Joe would only see one part of the description of that tool "makes your battery last longer" Mar 05 16:43:12 I believe it's just a question of a good test suite to prove the system is still working fine Mar 05 16:43:15 so they would use it.. then complain about random glitches and crashes when they play angry birds Mar 05 16:43:32 m-h-k and how long is this test suite going to run? Mar 05 16:43:43 hm, couple of hours I guess Mar 05 16:43:54 not long enough Mar 05 16:44:06 just put it on the touchstone every night and it auto-improves over two weeks Mar 05 16:44:32 plus the affects of undervolting will change over time and with environmental changes Mar 05 16:44:53 a voltage that is stable in a cool house during winter may not be stable outside on a hot day in the summer Mar 05 16:45:05 so cryptk, in some magic way you found your own stable solution, didn't you? Mar 05 16:45:13 yes I did Mar 05 16:45:17 because I know what I am doing Mar 05 16:45:31 do you change it depending on outside temp? Mar 05 16:45:49 no, I have a setting that is stable at all temps... it isn't the lowest voltage I can run it at Mar 05 16:46:25 but someone who doesn't know what they are doing isn't going to recognize 6 months later when temps change that their phone is glitching because of the voltage changes they did way back when Mar 05 16:47:01 we provide the tools that they need to do it... but actually doing it should come along with having the pre-requisite knowledge of what they are actually doing and the affects it can have Mar 05 16:47:22 by your logic, we should also let people set their processor to 2.5GHz if they want to Mar 05 16:47:41 did you know that having too little voltage to the CPU can cause data corruption as well? Mar 05 16:47:52 I really respect your expertise... and I still thing a tool could be devised. If it has to run days worth of tests, ok, do that every night while on the touchstone. Figure out the best configuration over a number of days. Then add some safety margin. Mar 05 16:47:59 the crashes caused by this tools testing could possibly require a visit to the doc to fix Mar 05 16:48:08 and yes, I realize too little voltage can mean corrupted memory. I have an EE major. Mar 05 16:48:29 ok, so say people use this tool and then 15% of them have to doctor their phones because of it Mar 05 16:48:34 that is a pretty high failure rate Mar 05 16:48:42 cars have had recalls done for lower failure rates Mar 05 16:48:46 true.. the tool carries a warning sign, doesn't it? Mar 05 16:49:10 if you want it, then write it Mar 05 16:49:11 it's like the overclocking warning Mar 05 16:49:43 heh I knew you were going to say that Mar 05 16:51:44 Any word on Sprint Nav working on 2.1? Mar 05 16:52:15 m-h-k, you know what my favorite shirt says? Mar 05 16:52:26 cryptk: no (why would I) Mar 05 16:52:34 Maxwell's Equations Mar 05 16:52:43 on the front it says github.com... on the back "pull request or STFU" Mar 05 16:52:46 lol Mar 05 16:53:54 ok so there are my choices then ;) Mar 05 16:54:10 hahaha Mar 05 16:54:34 I enjoyed the discussion though Mar 05 16:55:39 while we are at it Mar 05 16:57:29 all the Pre- I have seen (with 1.4.5) have issues running 250 MHz or lower. your thoughts on that? Flickering screens, crashes... I just never bothered and assumed 500 is the lowest the HW can do for whatever reason. Mar 05 16:58:56 depends on the HW Mar 05 16:59:05 I have run screenstate 250/1000 w/out issues Mar 05 16:59:19 on my pre- Mar 05 16:59:30 1.4.5 Mar 05 16:59:49 most Pre can handle it, then you have Chuck Norris Pre that can do 1.2GHz. then some have wimpy Pre. Mar 05 17:00:08 roundhouse Mar 05 17:00:19 ok, so it's just a question of luck really Mar 05 17:00:27 yep Mar 05 17:01:09 I had a wimpy chuck norris pre Mar 05 17:01:15 btw unixpsycho, I am utterly impressed by your kernel work. Just wanted to say that once. Mar 05 17:01:19 it would do 1.2GHz, but couldn't handle below 500MHz Mar 05 17:01:31 m-h-k: thanx :-) Mar 05 17:01:45 cryptk: thats odd? Mar 05 17:01:53 uNiXpSyChO, tell me about it, lol Mar 05 17:02:01 and it would undervolt nicely at 500 as well Mar 05 17:02:08 but wouldn't do 250 to save it's life Mar 05 17:02:09 rwhitby's Pre cant even handle F105 at 1GHz. ;-) Mar 05 17:02:17 cryptk: lol Mar 05 17:03:27 unixpsycho: so what is going on with the screenstate gov. in 2.1.0? Mar 05 17:03:38 ugh Mar 05 17:03:47 I take back that question :) Mar 05 17:04:16 it's not screenstate problem. it's just very visible in screenstate due to the policy. Mar 05 17:04:55 My Pre running stock 2.1 kernel decides to use a higher freq randomly when it's set to 500MHz. Mar 05 17:05:12 what are they doing in that kernel? Mar 05 17:05:26 there was something on the twitter about aggressive powersaving code that isn't playing nicely with screenstate? Mar 05 17:05:52 it seems to happen when coming out of sleep modes or idling. Mar 05 17:06:12 during kernel debugging I can see the stock kernel whipping through all frequencies for no reason. Mar 05 17:09:30 bizarre Mar 05 17:09:53 so there's got to be some code there that triggers this? Mar 05 17:12:07 must be. just havent found it yet. i just made a hack to work around it. the webOS 2.0 kernels does the same thing. Mar 05 17:12:56 heh Mar 05 17:14:40 I haven't looked at the patch set from HP so I don't know how large it is, but I understand it's gotta be somewhere in there Mar 05 17:15:16 the only real major change is the sleep/idle code. Mar 05 17:18:33 hm.. gotta head off.. ttyl Mar 05 17:40:15 hey, just out of interest. I sshd into my palm pre and checked /proc/cpuinfo for the speed of the CPU. It jumps around between 500 and 800 mhz, shouldn't it stay at 500mhz when the profile is Screenstate 500/800? system is webos 2.1 on a Pre- Mar 05 17:41:34 is it me or does preware have like 2 kernels .. palm offical kernal and a uber kernel that you install and the install govnah and you can't change / over clock it ? Mar 05 17:44:45 josef_B: enable the kernels testing feed. 2.x kernels haven't been promoted to the regular feeds yet. that Uberkernel is just a placeholder. Mar 05 17:44:52 Josef_B: if you enable the kernel testing feeds you can install even more kernels! Mar 05 17:46:35 and everytime someone writes kernAl god kills a kitten Mar 05 17:49:09 just remember, kernAls in the testing feed are there for a reason Mar 05 17:49:19 (me likes it when kittens get smote) Mar 05 17:50:10 and I die a little inside. Mar 05 17:50:30 * cryptk likes that even better Mar 05 17:51:07 do i need to delete patches and themes before I flash to 2.1 ?? Mar 05 17:52:16 JetUni17: think about it. updating will flash your system partition and remove all of your beloved data. Mar 05 17:52:16 *sigh* Mar 05 17:52:21 no Mar 05 17:52:31 if i already have a sprint pre plus working on 1.4.5 which script in meta-doctor do i run to get 2.1 working? just the sprint pre script? Mar 05 17:52:37 JetUni17, you are doctoring... Mar 05 17:52:46 DaDirtyPanda, yes Mar 05 17:52:47 and if you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't be doing this... Mar 05 17:52:58 the doc doesn't care if it is a pre or a pre plus Mar 05 17:53:05 k thanks Mar 05 17:53:06 DaDirtyPanda: sure? thought you need the preplus script with some flags Mar 05 17:53:11 as long as your current tokens are set right, you are good Mar 05 17:53:20 yup the tokens are good Mar 05 17:53:35 you should be good then Mar 05 17:53:39 as always, YMMV Mar 05 17:53:46 none of this is official OR guaranteed Mar 05 17:53:48 lol Mar 05 17:54:02 of course Mar 05 17:54:50 hay cryptk Mar 05 18:00:47 PatrickC|Away, yes? Mar 05 18:04:04 anyone know an app that can backup call history Mar 05 18:07:59 just sayin hi Mar 05 18:08:07 oh, sup man Mar 05 18:08:58 nm Mar 05 18:09:09 is rich dunnbar here? Mar 05 18:09:17 Josef_B, save/restore could if someone wrote an add-in for it to do it Mar 05 18:09:26 but it likely couldn't be restores safely Mar 05 18:09:34 similar to text messages Mar 05 18:09:35 * PatrickC|Away thinks cryptk could Mar 05 18:09:49 it could export them to an HTML file or something though Mar 05 18:09:54 PatrickC|Away, I could, but I won't Mar 05 18:09:57 don't have time... Mar 05 18:11:07 for the sprint Pre2, do all you need to know/do is the com-board swap and doctor? Mar 05 18:12:53 haven't followed that thread, but since there is no sprint 2.x doctor I'm guessing it's not that simple. Mar 05 18:13:17 plus there's the tokens issue Mar 05 18:14:40 token issue? Mar 05 18:16:19 I assume you have to swap tokens just like when you put a sprint comm board in a pre+ Mar 05 18:16:41 idontwan2know, his tokens are already set Mar 05 18:16:41 hmm Mar 05 18:16:42 ok Mar 05 18:16:55 oh wait... Mar 05 18:16:57 different person Mar 05 18:17:03 I don't have a Pre2 *yet* but will hopefully get one soon Mar 05 18:17:10 yeah, gotta swap some tokens for a sprint Pre2 Mar 05 18:17:25 how do you do that? Mar 05 18:17:32 we have a script for it Mar 05 18:17:37 same place as the other scripts Mar 05 18:17:43 just tryin to get everything lined up if I want to do it Mar 05 18:17:45 ok Mar 05 18:17:54 it is the "new gen" version of the script I used to make one live at SCaLE Mar 05 18:18:23 I didn't see that Mar 05 18:18:32 did you put a vid on youtube Mar 05 18:18:33 it's in there Mar 05 18:18:45 not yet, waiting on the guy who recorded it to give it to me Mar 05 18:18:51 rwhitby, saw it live Mar 05 18:18:52 ok Mar 05 18:18:54 via skype Mar 05 18:19:00 awesome Mar 05 18:19:13 he was on the table at the booth right beside me Mar 05 18:19:59 wish I was able to go to scale :'( Mar 05 18:20:28 where can I find the vid? Mar 05 18:20:31 precentral? Mar 05 18:20:42 I said it isn't up yet Mar 05 18:20:50 not yet, waiting on the guy who recorded it to give it to me Mar 05 18:20:56 ok Mar 05 18:21:12 I thot you said "its in there" meaning "its viewable" Mar 05 18:21:28 that was RE: the script for sprint pre2 Mar 05 18:29:30 i'm having problems with running out of disk space trying to run the verizon pre plus script Mar 05 18:29:42 i have ubuntu running in a VM Mar 05 18:29:57 shoulda made the disk bigger I guess Mar 05 18:30:09 i started out allocating 8GB to the virtual disk Mar 05 18:30:36 then I went to 12GB and now 18GB and it still has the same problem Mar 05 18:30:42 it needs room for 4-5 full doctors as well as 2 unpacked ones Mar 05 18:30:51 plus the OS Mar 05 18:30:58 plus any other stuff you have on it Mar 05 18:31:03 but it shouldn't take that much Mar 05 18:31:07 well heck, 18GB should be plenty! Mar 05 18:31:08 you have something going on there Mar 05 18:31:17 so what's it doing? Mar 05 18:31:21 no clue Mar 05 18:31:29 find out where all the files are at Mar 05 18:33:40 they're just in the file system Mar 05 18:33:52 well of course they are in the file system Mar 05 18:33:54 where at Mar 05 18:34:09 a file can't go anywhere else but in the file system Mar 05 18:34:54 or can it.... Mar 05 18:35:24 they're in /home/ubuntu/meta-doctor Mar 05 18:35:49 du -sh /home/ubuntu/* Mar 05 18:36:11 what is the meta-doctor line? Mar 05 18:37:07 i'm not too familiar with Ubuntu, what do you mean by the 'meta-doctor line' Mar 05 18:37:19 run the command I gave you Mar 05 18:37:35 du -sh /home/ubuntu/* Mar 05 18:37:43 one of the lines will have a size and say meta-doctor Mar 05 18:37:52 tell me what that line says Mar 05 18:38:07 680 kb Mar 05 18:38:23 well, that's not where your filesystem is filling up at then Mar 05 18:38:31 how are you running the script? Mar 05 18:39:20 and what instructions are you following? Mar 05 18:40:08 i was just running it as the directions said... cd /home/ubuntu/meta-doctor, then ./scripts/meta-verizon-preplus-2.1.0 Mar 05 18:40:41 df -h Mar 05 18:40:49 terminal from prepared shows Mar 05 18:40:50 pastebin the output of that and give me the link Mar 05 18:41:04 only black screen Mar 05 18:41:16 and what directions are you following JetUni17 Mar 05 18:41:30 am I missing something? Mar 05 18:41:44 undrwater, what webOS version, what device, what version of terminal? Mar 05 18:41:51 I need IN-PUT!!! Mar 05 18:41:58 * cryptk hopes you caught that reference Mar 05 18:42:01 i'm following the directions from the the main page of webos-internals Mar 05 18:42:21 how do i pastebin? sorry... Mar 05 18:42:38 johnny5? Mar 05 18:42:52 go to pastebin.com, you paste the text in the big text box, hit submit, give me the URL of the page it sends you to Mar 05 18:42:57 undrwater, indeed! Mar 05 18:43:01 now where's my IN-PUT Mar 05 18:43:03 Os 2.1, pre+ Mar 05 18:43:11 ok Mar 05 18:43:41 hrm... not sure if it works on 2.1 yet Mar 05 18:44:26 terminal 0.3.2 Mar 05 18:44:50 yeah, I don't think it works on 2.X yet Mar 05 18:44:54 we need to fix it Mar 05 18:44:59 pastebin.com/LJsCURUj Mar 05 18:45:18 ok...thanks Mar 05 18:45:31 JetUni17, your disk isn't full Mar 05 18:45:31 :) Mar 05 18:45:44 is there any terminal app that works on 2.x? Mar 05 18:46:06 JetUni17, is Ubuntu installed onto the VM, or are you booting it from the CD in the VM? Mar 05 18:46:10 cd/iso Mar 05 18:46:21 iso Mar 05 18:46:35 JetUni17, in that case, when the VM runs out of ram... it runs out of space Mar 05 18:46:45 try actually installing it on the VM and do it again Mar 05 18:46:48 so what should i do? Mar 05 18:46:52 JetUni17, you may find it easier to run this under Cygwin Mar 05 18:47:06 or just use the ubuntu installer in the VM Mar 05 18:47:30 not that I want to mess with cryptk's highly analytical skills fixing your ubuntu method... Mar 05 18:47:32 so you have an actual Ubuntu VM instead of a virtual machine that is live booting a disk image Mar 05 18:47:44 all he needs to do is actually install it on the VM Mar 05 18:47:54 how do I install? Mar 05 18:48:04 cryptk: yeah I am just figuring what you're trying to get him to do ;) Mar 05 18:48:06 when you boot the ubuntu ISO you can shoose to install it Mar 05 18:48:21 instead of telling it to just run it, tell it to install it Mar 05 18:48:21 is that the thing that says try now, or install? Mar 05 18:48:28 alright Mar 05 18:48:32 cryptk, but I find many Windows users can get results fairly quickly with cygwin Mar 05 18:49:31 i donno, i kinda like working in Ubuntu. it's different Mar 05 18:49:55 the cygwin install process is horrible Mar 05 18:50:08 and trying ubuntu in a VM may show them that they actually like the OS Mar 05 18:50:09 jetuni, don't let my comments confuse you. If you're on your way with ubuntu, keep at it. Mar 05 18:50:30 cryptk, that is true. Mar 05 18:50:30 yes, that too....i couldn't find all the things i needed to install for cygwin Mar 05 18:50:47 ok you two already convinced me! Mar 05 18:51:07 heck, I don't even have cygwin installed here :P Mar 05 18:51:36 haha i think ubuntu kinda looks like a tablet OS somewhat....that was my first impression Mar 05 18:51:36 (mingw/msys though ;)) Mar 05 18:52:30 I run the meta-doctor stuff on a real Linux machine though.. using - guess what - ubuntu :) Mar 05 18:53:03 is a linux machine different from a PC? Mar 05 18:53:13 has a different OS Mar 05 18:53:15 that's all Mar 05 18:53:18 uses the same hardware Mar 05 18:53:49 note to everyone... despite the advertising campaign... mac's are PC's als Mar 05 18:53:50 also Mar 05 18:53:59 PC = Personal Computer Mar 05 18:54:21 haha alright Mar 05 18:56:05 so when i install it, i get to this 'allocate drive space' screen and when i say install now i get an error: "no root file system is defined' Mar 05 18:56:39 are you accepting all the defaults during the install? Mar 05 18:57:03 also, since I have no clue what state your VM is in, you should probably delete it and start all over Mar 05 18:57:24 make a new VM. Give it a 10GB hard drive, boot from the ISO, install ubuntu Mar 05 18:57:32 accept all defaults when it comes to disk stuff Mar 05 18:59:21 ok, i think i clicked on advanced, not the one that said "wipe my hard drive" Mar 05 18:59:42 don't go with advanced unless you are an advanced linux user Mar 05 19:00:28 since you don't know about linux filesystems, or mountpoints, or partitioning requirements Mar 05 19:01:21 haha yeah....good idea! Mar 05 19:03:18 as long as you are installing it inside a VM, you don Mar 05 19:03:29 you don't need to worry about it wiping your hard drive Mar 05 19:03:47 since it will only be wiping out the virtual hard drive you created for that VM Mar 05 19:15:22 now the ubuntu install is stuck at 'who are you' Mar 05 19:15:47 i gave it all the info, and it says 'ready when you are' but i can't click the forward button Mar 05 19:19:30 what version of ubuntu are you using? Mar 05 19:19:36 10.10 Mar 05 19:19:55 the newest Mar 05 19:20:05 32? 64? Mar 05 19:20:09 32 Mar 05 19:20:52 lemme download a copy of it and test real fast Mar 05 19:21:13 i think it's like a 600 MB file... Mar 05 19:21:20 I have fast internet Mar 05 19:21:28 ok good Mar 05 19:22:43 gimmie 15 minutes to get it downloaded and catch up to where you are at Mar 05 19:23:06 maybe 10 Mar 05 19:23:07 this happened after i chose the hard disk location, then I set the time zone and the keyboard layout, and after that it wanted some stuff like "name" "computer name" "username" "password" etc... that's where i get stuck Mar 05 19:31:10 ok, download done Mar 05 19:31:15 lemme fire up vbox Mar 05 19:33:25 do you have check boxes next to all the text boxes? Mar 05 19:34:20 JetUni17, ^^^ Mar 05 19:42:41 sorry...had to put my stickers on my snowmobile Mar 05 19:43:13 there are check boxes by all except username Mar 05 19:43:27 what is you usename set to? Mar 05 19:43:40 Khunicycler Mar 05 19:46:47 change the K to lowercase Mar 05 19:46:54 unix usernames are lowercase Mar 05 19:47:32 oh jeez...that's it! Mar 05 20:31:26 what's the status on 2.1 profiles on Verizon? :p Mar 05 20:32:57 so what's this about the palm pre 3 i hear? Mar 05 20:40:01 mine seems to be working fine, I think Mar 05 20:41:32 I made a purchase on my device after installing 2.1 at least Mar 05 20:48:57 i'm having problems when running the verizon pre plus script Mar 05 20:49:02 Loudergood: and Palm's profile page reports you as being on 2.1? Mar 05 20:49:19 acutally I haven't looked at that Mar 05 20:49:34 that's what I'm curious about... Sprint seems to be doing 2.1 profiles, and not masked 1.4.5s Mar 05 20:50:02 ah, still 1.4.5 Mar 05 20:50:06 I see now Mar 05 20:50:15 I know some people were testing 2.1 profiles on Verizon but I don't know how that's gone Mar 05 20:56:08 i would test the Verizon profile if I could get this to work... Mar 05 20:59:04 what's the secret behind the postinst script? Mar 05 20:59:15 http://.pastebin.com/cysXSz8t Mar 05 20:59:15 is it only executed when installed by preware? Mar 05 20:59:24 can someone help me with that.... Mar 05 20:59:43 the link is broken Mar 05 20:59:47 you missed the www Mar 05 21:00:10 http://www.pastebin.com/cysXSz8t Mar 05 21:00:32 you doctor is broken Mar 05 21:00:36 maybe Mar 05 21:00:52 how do i fix that... Mar 05 21:01:05 redownload? Mar 05 21:06:04 Is there anyone here with knowledge about the control folder and the postins file? Mar 05 21:19:25 hey rwhitby why do i keep getting an error downloading the doctors with the scripts? Mar 05 21:20:37 Sunspots Mar 05 21:20:51 coriolis effect Mar 05 21:20:53 might help to share what the error says. Mar 05 21:21:32 rwhitby wrote the scripts down under where the toilets swirl the opposite way...messes everything up Mar 05 21:24:29 http://www.pastebin.com/cysXSz8t Mar 05 21:24:39 Would it help then to turn the computer upside-down? Mar 05 21:25:34 looks like an unzip error, not a download error... Mar 05 21:25:56 so why won't it unzip? Mar 05 21:27:45 download the doctor manually and try to unzip it Mar 05 21:45:12 once i unzip it, then what? the instructions on webos-internals just tells how to use the scripts Mar 05 21:46:54 I would first find out why you can't unzip the one you're downloading Mar 05 21:48:25 done Mar 05 21:50:56 JetUni17: to unzip it would be a good prove if the doctor is correct or not, or? Mar 05 21:51:19 If correct, you copy it into the download folder Mar 05 21:53:08 MetaView: postinst script is executed by any advanced homebrew installer Mar 05 21:53:52 ok, not by the normal palm-install.bat? Mar 05 21:54:01 MetaView: it can be written and renamed so that palm-install runs it too Mar 05 21:54:07 (e.g. look in Preware ipk file) Mar 05 21:54:59 oh, ok Mar 05 21:55:11 but preware or wosqi is suffcient, thx Mar 05 21:55:16 and good morning, btw Mar 05 22:05:18 wosqi didn't made the entry in the jailusers file, hm, how can I debug this? Mar 05 22:05:29 will try preware first Mar 05 22:08:13 MetaView: I know nothing about what wosqi4 does Mar 05 22:09:10 ok, but preware didn't make the entry too Mar 05 22:11:32 is there an install log file somewhere? Mar 05 22:11:37 pastebin your postinst Mar 05 22:11:41 nope Mar 05 22:12:00 you can watch ls-monitor to see the script output back to preware Mar 05 22:13:27 http://pastebin.com/BVRpk2Ev Mar 05 22:15:09 hey rwhitby have you had any confirmations of the new script working for verizon? Mar 05 22:16:28 yep Mar 05 22:16:37 seems to be working for everyone who tries it Mar 05 22:16:59 if it didn't we wouldn't have promoted it from test-meta-... to meta-... Mar 05 22:17:36 so would you know why i keep getting an unzip error? Mar 05 22:19:59 quick question hopefully - I doctored my pixi plus to 1.4.5, and ran bypass tool to avoid activation, how do I create a new palm profile and login for app catalog use? When I rerun the First Use application it tried to activate again and fails. Mar 05 22:23:27 JetUni17: yeah, you have a corrupted download or a full disk Mar 05 22:23:37 check the md5sum of the downloaded file Mar 05 22:23:47 the disk is nowhere near full... Mar 05 22:23:51 Flashpass: you cannot Mar 05 22:24:12 how do I get an uncorrupted download? Mar 05 22:24:21 rwhitby: oh really, people said they have had success - is there another method to accomplish this? Mar 05 22:24:35 meta-doctor Mar 05 22:24:52 palm bypass-tool doesn't allow profiles afterwards Mar 05 22:25:58 ah okay, i'll give that a try Mar 05 22:26:23 thanks Mar 05 22:37:17 so why would Ubuntu have a problem seeing my phone through the doctor? Mar 05 22:39:25 did you test it on an official doctor? Mar 05 22:46:25 test what part? Mar 05 22:46:45 i have novacomd and all of that stuff installed Mar 05 22:46:59 and it's running in a VM Mar 05 22:48:26 so you're assuming that the doctor can access your device over usb from inside a virtual machine? Mar 05 22:48:52 can it? i thought it could yes Mar 05 22:49:19 rwhitby: there seems to be some option in the VM to pass through USB... some people wrote that in the forum. I haven't tried it myself, I always run the doctors natively. Mar 05 22:49:42 JetUni17: you made an assumption, an incorrect one. Mar 05 22:51:04 JetUni17, vmware? vbox? parallels? what are you using? Mar 05 22:51:31 Oracle VM VirtualBox Mar 05 22:51:36 * rwhitby updates http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Using_a_Virtual_Machine Mar 05 22:52:21 JetUni17, windows host? and ubuntu guest? Mar 05 22:53:15 windows 7 host and ubuntu is installed in the VM, not just the trial if thats what you mean Mar 05 22:53:56 did you install guest additions? Mar 05 22:54:15 Jack87: the wiki page doesn't say to, so probably not. Mar 05 22:55:25 sorry rwhitby that's where i got the incorrect assumption that I could do that... Mar 05 22:55:25 rwhitby, shall we add it (while you are updating anyway) Mar 05 22:55:44 looks like the first instructions page that is linked says it will explain it later haha Mar 05 22:55:51 i believe i have guest additions... Mar 05 22:56:14 shouldn't you not need the guest additions? Mar 05 22:56:38 i think you only need them for usb2. Mar 05 22:56:39 netzwurm, for usb pass through or file transfers and junk it makes life easier Mar 05 22:56:41 you don't need them if you are running the doctor natively on the host Windows OS later Mar 05 22:56:42 ok, then maybe i don't...im not sure Mar 05 22:56:49 for usb pass through you need them Mar 05 22:57:12 m-h-k: which host? i used to do it with freebsd and that doesn't even have guest additions. Mar 05 22:57:27 anyway. i suppose they won't hurt. Mar 05 22:57:30 inside your virtual box (the window running your ubuntu) at top Devices>Install Guest Additions Mar 05 22:57:58 netzwurm: ubuntu guest on windows host Mar 05 22:58:12 Jack87: are you using the full version? as far as I know the ose doesn't support usb-passthrough at all. Mar 05 22:58:31 netzwurm, which OS? Mar 05 22:58:47 ose = open source edition? Mar 05 22:59:14 * rwhitby notes the sentence I added to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Using_a_Virtual_Machine and advises folks to follow that advice Mar 05 23:00:18 rwhitby, i cant see the change Mar 05 23:00:55 clicking on Devices>Install Guest Additions doesn't do anything Mar 05 23:01:03 i am pretty sure i am running full version none OSE is still free right? Mar 05 23:01:23 Jack87: did you shift-refresh the page? Mar 05 23:01:24 JetUni17, go your cd drive in ubuntu Mar 05 23:01:45 rwhitby, it took now Mar 05 23:02:00 rwhitby, good advice Mar 05 23:02:04 Jack87: yeah. non-OSE is still free. Mar 05 23:02:25 * Jack87 is still going to see if he can get usbpass through going for JetUni17 Mar 05 23:02:46 thanks! Mar 05 23:03:00 so i found the cd drive Mar 05 23:03:11 netzwurm, yes that must be what i am using than. Because i think you are right i read that the OSE didnt support it and i needed it Mar 05 23:03:22 and theres a VBOXADDITIONS Mar 05 23:03:26 is guest additions installer in there? Mar 05 23:03:30 ok great install it Mar 05 23:04:07 JetUni17, whats your experience with computers and virtual machines? Mar 05 23:04:13 * m-h-k thinks it is just so much easier to run the doctor on the host OS. Mar 05 23:04:25 i hit the "open autorun prompt" button and it looks like it's installing Mar 05 23:04:29 also if we get this going for you. if you can try to document it on the wiki it be great and I will review it after Mar 05 23:04:33 i know Windows 7 well enough Mar 05 23:04:55 and VM I know mainly because of running the Palm SDK Mar 05 23:05:03 hey, how is compcache initilized on webos 2.1? when I enable compcache in govnah it always mounts /dev/ramzswap0 with a size of 100mb, should this be? Mar 05 23:05:03 m-h-k: i don't know. i like virtual machines. but presumably one knows their host os best. Mar 05 23:05:42 JetUni17, also did you use that direct link that is on the wiki now? (that points to an older version of virtual box i think the newest is 4.x Mar 05 23:06:09 i have an older version, yes Mar 05 23:06:10 netzwurm: it's just that 1) usb passthrough scares me and 2) many people now install VMs for the first time, and ubuntu for the first time just to run the meta-doctor, when in fact they are just more at home in their native host OS (Windows). Mar 05 23:06:28 m-h-k: fair point. Mar 05 23:06:40 i'm actually liking Ubuntu so far... Mar 05 23:06:44 m-h-k: if usb passthrough scares you, you should try using a rawdisk device with virtualbox. Mar 05 23:06:51 m-h-k: that's scary. Mar 05 23:06:54 netzwurm :) Mar 05 23:07:07 ok, so that has finished installing Mar 05 23:07:23 JetUni17, hehe i am a linux newb... but i cant stand booting into windows anymore.. xp in virtual box is not too bad for the one program i need. but thats about it Mar 05 23:07:33 netzwurm: I actually built my doctors on a physical ubuntu machine ;) Mar 05 23:07:36 lol lets just update virtual box for kicks shall we? Mar 05 23:07:48 m-h-k: i do it on debian. but yeah. Mar 05 23:08:01 m-h-k: that's just because that's what my workstations tend to run. Mar 05 23:08:17 JetUni17, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.4/VirtualBox-4.0.4-70112-Win.exe Mar 05 23:08:20 Palm told me that they changed their API's and their SDK's don't work quite yet for the v4 Mar 05 23:08:28 netzwurm: exactly; these servers are sitting around idle anyway :P Mar 05 23:09:03 ok. cool thats fine Mar 05 23:09:21 i think we need to find VirtualBox 4.0.4 Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack but for V3 Mar 05 23:09:35 http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Mar 05 23:09:42 i guess i can just update it if i really need to Mar 05 23:09:52 Jack87: have you used palm SDK with VirtualBox 4? Mar 05 23:10:07 netzwurm, Check that link ^ Extentions pack enables usb pass through Mar 05 23:10:18 umm.. Mar 05 23:10:26 shouldn't you install that through the distro? Mar 05 23:10:36 m-h-k, negative. i am running v4 on a fresh install of ubuntu havent installed sdk yet Mar 05 23:10:47 if at all possible Mar 05 23:11:26 Jack87: ok, I am just asking b/c somewhere on the HP site they advise to run the SDK (Emulator) with VB 3.x Mar 05 23:11:33 so should I shut the VM of Ubuntu down that's running right now? Mar 05 23:11:37 Jack87: that's not the guest additions though. Mar 05 23:11:49 Jack87: that's an extension to the actual vm, no? Mar 05 23:12:00 netzwurm, you are right its not.. i think that is only for v4 i cant see reference to v3 Mar 05 23:12:28 Jack87: actually, i think they split the new version into OSE + closed source extensions. Mar 05 23:12:42 Jack87: so the core is open source for everyone and then you can install the closed-source extensions. Mar 05 23:12:56 netzwurm, yes! thats it Mar 05 23:13:21 m-h-k: sdk still doesn't work right with 4.0 Mar 05 23:13:41 JetUni17, lets see if we can get pass through to work on your v3... Mar 05 23:14:01 ok, so how do I install the extension? Mar 05 23:14:03 Loudergood: thanks for confirming Mar 05 23:14:06 after guest additions is installed see if you can enable USB devices from the device menu on top. if not shut down your VM Mar 05 23:14:28 JetUni17, V3 doesnt have extensions Mar 05 23:14:40 oh Mar 05 23:16:04 JetUni17: if you did install the full edition, did you enable usb in the machine configuration? do you have some intrusive windows anti-virus whatever protection suite that forbids raw device access? Mar 05 23:16:12 JetUni17: those would be the things i would check. Mar 05 23:16:22 Jack87: but what's that menu item "Devices -> Install guest extensions" Mar 05 23:16:38 m-h-k: guest additions are drivers to be installed on the guest. Mar 05 23:17:00 m-h-k: the new extension packs are modular additional features for the actual vm, that is, the host. Mar 05 23:17:23 hm, so can you get usb passthrough to work with VB 3? Mar 05 23:17:26 m-h-k: they contain the difference between what used to be the open source addition and the closed source addition. Mar 05 23:17:30 m-h-k: yes. Mar 05 23:17:44 m-h-k, on the none open source version Mar 05 23:17:45 m-h-k: it supports it by default if you don't use the open source addition. Mar 05 23:17:54 the usb devices show up but the Pre won't connect Mar 05 23:18:06 so I thought you need the guest extensions Mar 05 23:18:08 JetUni17, are they grayed out? Mar 05 23:18:18 no Mar 05 23:18:47 shut down your VM... and go to the virtual box window that lists your different virtual machines Mar 05 23:19:12 ok Mar 05 23:19:30 Right Click on your Ubuntu VM and hit settings Mar 05 23:19:32 m-h-k: depends on the guest. Mar 05 23:19:50 m-h-k: linux supports standard usb-buses, so you don't. Mar 05 23:20:11 m-h-k: windows might well need drivers for that. Mar 05 23:20:14 there should be a USB tab or section or something (cant remember what Vbox V3 Settings window looks like) Mar 05 23:20:30 netzwurm: oh, so you just enable the usb controler for the VM and you are good to go? Mar 05 23:20:34 JetUni17: is your pre in developer mode? Mar 05 23:20:42 m-h-k: that's how it should be. Mar 05 23:20:44 yes Mar 05 23:20:57 can you connect with novaterm from your host? Mar 05 23:21:00 m-h-k, hehe that is what we are going to do. it should be like that yes. but i cant remember been so long! Mar 05 23:21:33 jack: I just opened the VM3 main window Mar 05 23:21:34 JetUni17: because if you can, you have a capturing problem. Mar 05 23:22:23 netzwurm, he may not have USB controller enabled (although i think he does if the devices werent grayed out) trying to double check that now Mar 05 23:22:57 jack: select your VM, click modify, in the next window select USB on the left side and then "activate USB-controller" Mar 05 23:23:48 m-h-k, hehe... JetUni17 do what he said above Mar 05 23:24:09 anyway, i got to go. Mar 05 23:24:09 later. Mar 05 23:24:16 netzwurm, adios Mar 05 23:24:18 I hope I got the english names right.. I am using a German version here Mar 05 23:24:43 so it might be labelled "change" instead of "modify" or something like that Mar 05 23:25:08 JetUni17, within that screen there should be a little + icon somewhere... go ahead and add your pre with that + icon Mar 05 23:25:50 so i right click on Ubuntu, go to the USB tab on the left, then "enable USB controller" ? Mar 05 23:26:00 yep jetuni Mar 05 23:26:01 ya... Mar 05 23:26:13 and there is some other thing ehic ahh i cant remember enable that to Mar 05 23:26:20 (maybe thats only on v4) Mar 05 23:27:13 "enable usb 2.0 (EHCI) controller" ? Mar 05 23:27:23 yup Mar 05 23:27:26 enable everyything USB Mar 05 23:27:27 yuppers Mar 05 23:27:35 then click the + Mar 05 23:27:36 and hit a + button and add your pre Mar 05 23:27:43 anyway, guys, I gotta run again.. good luck :) Mar 05 23:27:47 doesnt neet to be checked. you can uncheck it Mar 05 23:27:54 m-h-k, adios Mar 05 23:27:59 and if it still doesn't work, run the doctor on the host OS :D Mar 05 23:28:08 m-h-k, exactly :-) Mar 05 23:28:16 and add the Palm Inc. Pre [0316] ? Mar 05 23:28:19 yup Mar 05 23:28:24 you can uncheck it from the list Mar 05 23:28:42 ok, then power it up Mar 05 23:28:48 rwhitby, what do you run your VMs in? Mar 05 23:28:51 yuppers Mar 05 23:32:35 JetUni17, how is it looking? Mar 05 23:32:50 just starting to run the scripts again Mar 05 23:33:05 JetUni17, isnt the doctor already built? Mar 05 23:33:24 you shouldnt need to run scripts again just browse to the already built doctor Mar 05 23:33:52 anyway.. when you go to devices on top. can you enable the pre now? Mar 05 23:34:36 JetUni17, Check in Help>about menu to confirm the version of Vbox you are using Mar 05 23:35:22 yea Mar 05 23:35:27 its version... Mar 05 23:35:38 v3.2.10 Mar 05 23:35:53 oh so the pre connects now? Mar 05 23:36:16 you should be good as i need to go real soon think you can survive from here on out? Mar 05 23:36:18 Jack87: I run OSX laptop with VMWare and VirtualBox VMs (linux and windows) Mar 05 23:36:18 hang on... Mar 05 23:36:52 it doesn't run... :/ Mar 05 23:37:09 JetUni17, define "it doesn't run... :/" Mar 05 23:37:30 rwhitby, vmware runs linux and vbox runs windows? Mar 05 23:37:54 the doctor wants me to connect my phone and i have, but it doesn't recognize it still Mar 05 23:38:03 :( Mar 05 23:38:16 JetUni17, did you select it from the device menu on top? Mar 05 23:38:21 yea Mar 05 23:38:39 JetUni17, put phone into recovery mode and try again Mar 05 23:39:14 JetUni17, http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_faq_carrier_en.html#nextbuttondim Mar 05 23:39:16 recovery mode is the thing with the usb icon done by holding up volume right Mar 05 23:39:20 yup Mar 05 23:39:28 already had it there Mar 05 23:39:29 Jack87: both run either Mar 05 23:40:54 rwhitby, sorry for the 20 questions... just wondering benefits between one over the other. As i am new to using these VMs... and at first i was sworn by VmWare. than jumped to Vbox than back to vmware (for native HDD boot) than learned to do it in Vbox and i feel as though Vbox runs much smoother Mar 05 23:41:10 what do you use the two different ones for exactly Mar 05 23:41:23 exactly as a figure of speech :) Mar 05 23:41:59 JetUni17, hum... Mar 05 23:42:46 yea... Mar 05 23:42:50 JetUni17, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Download_Old_Builds_3_2 Mar 05 23:43:23 there is an updated version of VBox v3.... 3.2.12 (you have 3.2.10) I wonder if that might help Mar 05 23:43:47 if not.... you can creat a sharing folder and just transfer it to your host computer (windows) and run it there Mar 05 23:46:34 change log shows it fixed some USB quircks http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog-3.2 Mar 05 23:46:58 but ya... if this doesnt work i say just grab the file and put it on windows Mar 05 23:47:12 how's that done? Mar 05 23:47:15 try a different usb device like a flash drive or external hard drive see if ubuntu captures it Mar 05 23:48:11 if ubuntu captures it.. than for some reason your VM simply is not liking the pre or the doctor is a bitch when running in a VM... (hence the bold updated statement rwhitby wrote on the wiki) Mar 05 23:48:49 it won't capture any of them... Mar 05 23:49:21 hum.. something funky is giong on with the VM than. run the updated installer for v3.2.12 Mar 05 23:50:00 if we can get it to capture flash drive transferring file to host should be easy if you get my drift. if not i will help you share a folder. Mar 05 23:50:28 ~seen rwhitby Mar 05 23:50:29 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 83 messages. Is idling for 10m 59s, last said: 'Jack87: both run either'. Mar 05 23:50:48 rwhitby: ping? :) Mar 05 23:52:55 alright, it'll take a while, so if you need to go, then be my guest! haha Mar 05 23:53:11 JetUni17, are you able to find the installer for 3.2.12? Mar 05 23:53:27 ya, it's just taking forever to download Mar 05 23:54:14 * Jack87 wonders why... downloading at 1.3MB for him Mar 05 23:55:23 It's better to share the folder in virtualbox than fight for capturing devices ;) Mar 05 23:55:44 NuttyBunny, haha yes. but i still want to see if it will capture devices :) Mar 05 23:55:53 mine does but i am running VBox v4 Mar 05 23:56:12 NuttyBunny, sometimes sharing folders has its own set of headaches Mar 05 23:56:22 JetUni17, while you download lets share a folder :-) Mar 05 23:56:39 Jack87: Of course it does capture, even 3.x, but I think it uses several usb identifiers so you have to capture several ones Mar 05 23:57:14 * NuttyBunny goes again to translate the newest wiki changes Mar 05 23:57:19 1.3 mb/s?! Mar 05 23:57:28 NuttyBunny, main goal is to run webos Doctor in guest Mar 05 23:57:40 JetUni17, lol ya. im not on any fancy connection either Mar 05 23:58:00 Jack87: Nice idea :) me wanna ;) Mar 05 23:58:05 NuttyBunny, ya know ignoring rwhitby new advice Mar 05 23:58:45 maybe it's because of netflix on the wii.... :/ Mar 05 23:59:34 k, so how do I share it? Mar 05 23:59:53 JetUni17, lets see if we can get your vbox to share folder (although i hate sharing folders in ubuntu guest to windows host i personally am doing the opposite) Mar 06 00:00:01 in your guest OS window bottom corner Mar 06 00:00:19 see little iconts of like CD USB Folder? Mar 06 00:00:38 right click on the folder and select share folder Mar 06 00:00:42 oh, ya Mar 06 00:01:46 hit little + folder button and browse to the folder you want to share (maybe entire C drive (thats what i do other might tell you different but dont need to share multiple folders that way)) Mar 06 00:02:20 do automount and make perm Mar 06 00:03:42 k Mar 06 00:04:31 now it should be in ubuntu somewhere Mar 06 00:04:43 i dont know where though as i said.... my guest if windows :) Mar 06 00:04:58 if you cant find it you can try to do a reboot and see if that helps Mar 06 00:05:41 k, can't find so I'm gonna reboot Mar 06 00:06:16 did you make sure to check perm and automount? Mar 06 00:06:27 and when i say reboot i mean reboot the VM Mar 06 00:06:31 (ubuntu) Mar 06 00:06:48 there wasn't an automount option Mar 06 00:07:03 yes, i rebooted the VM Mar 06 00:07:38 ok cool Mar 06 00:07:53 still don't see it though... Mar 06 00:08:12 sharing folders has its own set of headaches... (at least when host is win7 and guest is linux because it works great for me otherwise) Mar 06 00:08:56 ok in ubuntu click Places on top and Network Mar 06 00:09:10 k Mar 06 00:09:18 play around there Mar 06 00:09:30 is there a "windows network"? Mar 06 00:09:52 it's funny because it's finding my dad's computer downstairs that's set up on the network, but not this comp Mar 06 00:10:04 yes there is Mar 06 00:10:09 i dunno play around Mar 06 00:10:30 * Jack87 hopes this wont require some samba shit Mar 06 00:10:53 gui quit working... Mar 06 00:10:55 JetUni17, you can always creat a zumo drive accoutn isntall zumo drive on guest computer and upload the file and redownload it Mar 06 00:11:12 did your download ever finish? Mar 06 00:11:19 heck ya!!! Mar 06 00:11:21 sneakernet with a usb flash stick Mar 06 00:11:29 to the zumo idea Mar 06 00:11:38 just finished Mar 06 00:11:54 JetUni17: why don't you just build the doctor in the vm and then upload it to dropbox or something. Mar 06 00:12:08 JetUni17: then you don't need to do any of this stuff. Mar 06 00:12:35 netzwurm, thats what i said.... haha i am guilty of holding out this idea so we can experiment with the rest of this junk Mar 06 00:12:38 sounds great! Mar 06 00:12:58 i'm kinda done experimenting with it! Mar 06 00:13:07 haha fun while it lasted... Mar 06 00:13:12 JetUni17, me to.. haha thats why is said do zumo drive Mar 06 00:13:58 rwhitby, cant do via sneakernet since his VM wont accept any USB devices Mar 06 00:14:12 tried that already hehe Mar 06 00:14:20 i want a proper api for the messaging app. i want to text via ssh. Mar 06 00:14:40 netzwurm, hehe fun stuff! Mar 06 00:14:50 netzwurm, but why not just use google voice? Mar 06 00:15:08 Jack87: because i don't want to change my number. Mar 06 00:15:28 who said anything about changing a number? you just have two numbers :) Mar 06 00:15:30 Jack87: i.e. i want to text from my sprint number. Mar 06 00:15:34 ahh! Mar 06 00:15:40 sprint has feature on your sprint account Mar 06 00:15:41 Jack87: that would be 4 numbers then. Mar 06 00:15:50 * rwhitby bbl Mar 06 00:15:58 Jack87: it does? Mar 06 00:16:02 yuppers Mar 06 00:16:12 go find it :) Mar 06 00:17:05 netzwurm, is actually kind of cool Mar 06 00:21:29 Jack87: but see, still not as fast as a line on the shell. Mar 06 00:21:41 what's not as fast as a line on the shell Mar 06 00:21:54 torchie: logging into sprint's web-text messaging service. Mar 06 00:22:53 true Mar 06 00:23:03 so they do have one of those eh Mar 06 00:27:29 Jack87: plus, the text doesn't come from your number. Mar 06 00:27:38 it just writes your number into the message. Mar 06 00:28:15 i know verizon just sends it as an email basically Mar 06 00:31:21 june fabrics that made PDA net had a cool program to remote your phone i used to use ti for texting all the time for palm os Mar 06 00:31:34 ... wait a min. there was talk about VNC server for the pre. Mar 06 00:31:36 jump on that! Mar 06 01:43:22 Jack87: what good would a vnc server be for handling something from the shell that i can't even handle from the shell on the device? Mar 06 01:43:53 Jack87: though, is the messaging app javascript? it shouldn't be that difficult to write a simple app to do that if the code is open. Mar 06 01:45:50 Jack87: well. not so difficult whatever. possible. Mar 06 01:46:02 netzwurm: a VNC server on the pre would let you do anything on the pre remotely that you could do while holding it, ideally Mar 06 01:46:14 not limited to stuff you can do in the shell Mar 06 01:46:16 netzwurm, VNC server will allow you to remotely connect via VNC client and be able to handle WebOS gui such as messaging app Mar 06 01:46:42 destinal: right. exactly. but i wanted to have a commandline interface to send a text message. Mar 06 01:46:48 ahhh Mar 06 01:47:16 should be easy enough to do with the right luna-send command Mar 06 01:47:17 * Jack87 assumed you wanted a way to send text messages via computer through your phone. Mar 06 01:47:55 not necessarily just shell. Mar 06 01:48:25 i wanted it to be as quick as possible. that would be shell :) Mar 06 01:49:04 destinal: right. i'll have to look into that. Mar 06 01:51:46 might be a pain in the ass trying to figure out the number you want to send to as you cant look up contacts in shell Mar 06 01:52:15 Jack87: unless you can. then it's just a shell script. Mar 06 01:52:21 but if you know the dumber before hand? Mar 06 01:52:32 s/dumber/number Mar 06 01:53:08 Jack87: i mean, thinks like voogle can access contacts, so there should be an api for that, right? Mar 06 01:53:28 Jack87: the plan was to write the shell interface anyway. Mar 06 02:06:44 Jack87: or by means of a hack, you could lookup the number on the client. Mar 06 02:07:36 that could work Mar 06 02:08:08 intially it be easiest to make VNC server I still think.. i believe someone was looking into this already destinal was it you?? Mar 06 02:09:15 a VNC server would give the benefit of well... being able to do ANYTHING you wanted Mar 06 02:09:30 SineOt, yup :-) Mar 06 02:09:37 it'd be cool to have remote console with weinry and a VNC server to basically run the "emulator" on device as it were Mar 06 02:17:15 PuffTheMagic = ryan hope? Mar 06 02:19:06 RagingMind, yup Mar 06 02:30:21 dinner calls... will play with GPS again later Mar 06 02:43:36 Jack87: yeah I've looked into it. there are cheap ways to do it, and good ways, as far as the keyboard niput Mar 06 02:43:38 input Mar 06 02:44:08 and "touch" input as well. actuall screen capture shouldn't be as hard Mar 06 02:45:03 i guess the tricky part would be emulating multi touch via mouse/keyboard Mar 06 02:50:22 Jack87 i finally got the doctor to my host OS!!! haha took forever! Mar 06 02:50:41 JetUni17, what method did you use Mar 06 02:50:49 dropbox... Mar 06 02:51:01 do you have a slow connection? Mar 06 02:51:09 yep! Mar 06 02:51:31 try to mess with USB passthorugh again later Mar 06 02:51:47 alright Mar 06 02:51:52 thanks again!!! Mar 06 02:52:03 NP Mar 06 02:52:04 over and out haha Mar 06 02:52:08 night Mar 06 02:58:00 Jack87: most apps don't really need multitouch though fortunately Mar 06 02:58:45 only one i can think of is browser (we arent going to play games remotely) and computer has its own browser Mar 06 02:59:03 maps Mar 06 02:59:14 and anything dealing with large images Mar 06 02:59:18 but yes Mar 06 02:59:27 double tap :) Mar 06 02:59:51 that is one of the rules yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 02:59:57 2011