**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011 Mar 12 03:16:17 yo Mar 12 03:16:33 PatrickC_Pre, yo Mar 12 03:16:55 hows it goin puffthemagic? Mar 12 03:19:36 do u have the browser installed? Mar 12 03:19:47 edit the appinfo.json Mar 12 03:20:07 make sure it has these lines: Mar 12 03:20:10 "mimeTypes": [ "action/url" ], Mar 12 03:20:22 "keywords" : [ "Browser", "Internet" ] Mar 12 03:20:28 and then see if it shows up in the list Mar 12 03:22:32 sweet!!! Mar 12 03:22:44 I guess you got accepted? Mar 12 03:23:03 no i didnt email Mar 12 03:23:05 this is a test Mar 12 03:23:17 oh ok lol Mar 12 03:23:19 you should Mar 12 03:23:23 or just PM him Mar 12 03:23:25 im busy with novacom.py Mar 12 03:23:30 he's on #webos Mar 12 03:23:30 ok Mar 12 03:45:33 puffthemagic: didn't work Mar 12 03:46:28 weird Mar 12 03:46:34 gotta be someting in the js then Mar 12 03:47:00 was it on 1.4.5 or 2.x that you tested? Mar 12 03:47:17 i didnt test Mar 12 03:47:20 u did Mar 12 03:47:34 how'd you find out then :p Mar 12 03:47:39 oil? Mar 12 03:47:41 i said this was a test Mar 12 03:47:48 ahh ok Mar 12 04:03:29 oil: you around? Mar 12 04:04:52 or any preware/internalz devs Mar 12 04:05:36 why Mar 12 04:06:08 I have a question about some coding Mar 12 04:07:03 4 spaces, no \t characters .. but it's all personal preference Mar 12 04:07:29 lol Mar 12 04:08:28 ? Mar 12 04:08:31 lol Mar 12 04:09:12 look at the source code. all questions shall be answered Mar 12 04:09:42 * PatrickC_Pre will look at the git source in a few Mar 12 04:09:45 Argh, I need a binary (32 unsigned bits ) boolean operators library!!! I'm too lazy to code my own ;) Mar 12 04:09:55 ... Mar 12 04:09:57 what's the link again? Mar 12 04:09:59 for which language ? Mar 12 04:10:05 I don't see it in the description Mar 12 04:10:19 don't see what Mar 12 04:10:34 the link to git for webos-internals Mar 12 04:10:45 ^ | and & aren't good enough, NuttyBunny? Mar 12 04:11:39 its there Mar 12 04:11:39 PatrickC_Pre, the wiki is your friend ;) Mar 12 04:11:47 and its not like its a hard url to guess Mar 12 04:11:52 lol Mar 12 04:11:57 I'm going to it now Mar 12 04:12:28 I should have guessed it :p Mar 12 04:14:12 how does preware make itself a default app? Mar 12 04:14:25 I looked for what I thought it was, and didn't see it Mar 12 04:14:40 keep looking, its there somewhere Mar 12 04:14:49 and most likely also on palms doco Mar 12 04:14:50 bpdalino: They don't work for 32 bits, they throw negative numbers sometimes (32 bit signed integers) :@ Mar 12 04:15:03 is it in the appinfo.json? Mar 12 04:15:12 I'll check palm's documentation Mar 12 04:16:04 NuttyBunny: but it's still the same number .. you just need to undo the interpretation Mar 12 04:16:58 its undocumented Mar 12 04:17:09 mmmmmmmm...... yeah, that's not so bad, a "unsign" function instead of working everything as strings ;) Mar 12 04:17:14 ok oil Mar 12 04:17:33 where might I look to find it? (in code)? Mar 12 04:17:38 its in preware Mar 12 04:17:51 NuttyBunny: yep - not too bad Mar 12 04:18:01 what file? I thought it was in the appinfo.json but I didn't see it Mar 12 04:18:10 its not in appinfo.json Mar 12 04:18:30 it can only be done by apps on the private bus or with an unjailed service Mar 12 04:36:23 unjailed service being? Mar 12 04:41:58 I googled unjailed service to no avail Mar 12 04:46:10 wow Mar 12 04:46:18 preware has a lot of files Mar 12 04:49:34 yeah, it's a little bit more complex than "Hello, World!" ... Mar 12 04:49:48 s/little bit/a lot/ Mar 12 04:50:05 well, my bit is anyway. Mar 12 04:50:18 ;) Mar 12 04:50:26 so, I'm guessing its not easy? lol Mar 12 04:50:39 ... Mar 12 04:50:42 you can't even find it Mar 12 04:50:57 I didn't look far into the source Mar 12 04:51:04 just skimmed some stuff Mar 12 04:51:10 can't be tool important to you then. Mar 12 04:51:15 s/tool/too/ Mar 12 04:51:16 rwhitby meant: can't be too important to you then. Mar 12 04:51:24 its not for one of my apps Mar 12 04:51:34 I'm trying to add it to another app that I use Mar 12 04:51:43 to be a help to the developer Mar 12 04:52:44 * rwhitby spots the "Preware <3s You" in the source Mar 12 04:53:08 * PatrickC_Pre looks for that Mar 12 04:54:04 oil: I wonder if anyone has seen that special alert dialog ... Mar 12 04:54:10 some probably did Mar 12 04:54:16 what now? Mar 12 04:54:18 * PatrickC_Pre looks Mar 12 04:54:23 :) Mar 12 04:54:27 PatrickC_Pre: if the developer you're trying to "help" plans on catalog access Mar 12 04:54:30 you might as well give up now Mar 12 04:54:36 yep Mar 12 04:54:39 because an app which does it is not going to make it into the catalog Mar 12 04:54:40 man Mar 12 04:54:43 using undocumented apis Mar 12 04:54:46 only accessable with hackjs Mar 12 04:54:51 -j Mar 12 04:54:57 man Mar 12 04:55:00 that stinks Mar 12 04:55:11 s/hacks/sophisticated helper service methods/ Mar 12 04:55:11 * halfhalo likes hacks that are l33t h4x0r typ3 stuff Mar 12 04:55:39 can it be implemented via a patch? Mar 12 04:55:59 possibly Mar 12 04:56:03 what exactly are you trying to do? Mar 12 04:56:19 hes trying to change the default web browser Mar 12 04:56:28 yep Mar 12 04:56:38 change it to what? Mar 12 04:56:44 the firefox port thing? Mar 12 04:56:46 some beta app Mar 12 04:56:54 who think they can trademark "universe" Mar 12 04:56:58 lol Mar 12 04:57:04 they did Mar 12 04:57:12 well, I believe they did Mar 12 04:57:14 im sure Mar 12 04:57:14 ... Mar 12 04:57:19 Like in Device Info -> Preferences -> Default Applications -> Data Types -> Web Links -> Select whatever app you want? Mar 12 04:57:19 it started out for Palm OS Mar 12 04:57:27 http://openmobl.com/ Mar 12 04:57:32 yes rwhitby Mar 12 04:57:36 and yep oil Mar 12 04:58:11 not gonna happen for app catalog Mar 12 04:58:22 what about via a patch? Mar 12 04:58:32 nope Mar 12 04:58:41 man Mar 12 04:59:03 maybe he'll release a homebrew version too.. Mar 12 04:59:07 I'll talk with him Mar 12 04:59:21 idk, trademarking "universe" must have cost a lot Mar 12 04:59:41 I think he did, not totally sure Mar 12 05:00:03 it says universeTM on his website Mar 12 05:00:04 * Rboatright Mar 12 05:00:04 * Tking Mar 12 05:00:04 * JAck87 Mar 12 05:00:10 oops Mar 12 05:00:11 macros Mar 12 05:00:17 which translates to "i have no idea" Mar 12 05:00:26 :) Mar 12 05:00:31 yep :) Mar 12 05:00:42 i mean, microsoft couldn't trademark "windows" Mar 12 05:00:44 anyone willing to help me enable wifi profiles in a 2.1 doctor on OSX 10.6? Mar 12 05:00:53 and im pretty sure the "universe" existed before his app Mar 12 05:01:07 maybe.. idk though :p Mar 12 05:01:24 Just ask TESS Mar 12 05:01:56 Sorry, but TESS?? Mar 12 05:01:56 NickNick: which wiki pages have you read so far? Mar 12 05:02:11 Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS) Mar 12 05:02:17 http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4007:on9od8.1.1 Mar 12 05:03:27 Ho do i make meta-doctor build a new Webos Doctor 2.1 for my pre I'm changing a setting in the makefile (boot logo), but don't know ho to tell Meta- doctor to rebuild the webos doctor Mar 12 05:03:42 * oil adds "tm" to preware Mar 12 05:03:42 rwhitby: this post: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-27.html#post2882495, and this post: http://discussion.treocentral.com/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-43.html#post2884415 i think cover it Mar 12 05:04:10 rwhitby: i'm on a 150mb plan, so hoping not to get whacked by Verizon once i doctor... Mar 12 05:04:30 what is the "secret group" in preware? lol Mar 12 05:04:41 secret Mar 12 05:04:55 * PatrickC_Pre likes secrets Mar 12 05:05:43 NickNick: yep, which bit is not clear? (note that by getting an answer here you are agreeing to add the full procedure to the MetaDoctor wiki page at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor) Mar 12 05:06:09 somebody_: make clobber Mar 12 05:06:47 rwhitby: Just making sure that with that file copied, and renamed in the /config/ folder, and the # removed from the "install_wifi_profiles =1" that i will be good. I'm glad to add this to the meta-doc page! Mar 12 05:07:44 NickNick: ./config/ folder Mar 12 05:07:54 relative to meta-doctor directory Mar 12 05:08:30 that should indeed do it. I personally put the file in my ~/ssh/ directory instead Mar 12 05:08:39 the preware coding is nicely commented :) Mar 12 05:08:40 oops ~/.ssh/ Mar 12 05:08:56 there is comments in there? Mar 12 05:09:04 just a few Mar 12 05:09:05 * rwhitby was wondering that too Mar 12 05:09:16 * oil usually only comments to make fun of something Mar 12 05:09:25 lol Mar 12 05:09:26 if you think Preware is well commented, you must be looking at pretty poorly commented code elsewhere Mar 12 05:09:32 lol Mar 12 05:09:33 Thanks! Mar 12 05:09:51 * scoutcamper mumbles something about good code needing comments Mar 12 05:10:17 commenting slows coding :) Mar 12 05:10:41 when coding is done, add comments :D Mar 12 05:10:43 you only need comments if you're going to be the one stuck maintaining the code in 5 years time Mar 12 05:10:47 I hardly comment Mar 12 05:10:56 lol Mar 12 05:11:13 then again Mar 12 05:11:22 I don't have any source code out *yet* Mar 12 05:11:23 well, i dont think oil will be getting out of this job anytime soon Mar 12 05:11:25 who was it that said "nobody hates you as a programmer more then future you"? Mar 12 05:11:36 lol Mar 12 05:11:42 rwhitby: thanks for the help. I'll add this just as soon as i verify that my custom doctor works with my wifi profiles Mar 12 05:12:01 must be really confusing /nick NickNick Mar 12 05:12:10 :) Mar 12 05:12:39 * oil goes to get dinner Mar 12 05:13:25 How can I setup palm profile on Pre2 without sim card? Mar 12 05:13:45 are you using a meta-doctor? Mar 12 05:13:51 lordbah, the wiki and meta-doctor are your friends Mar 12 05:14:19 wasn't intending to. Is that the only way? Mar 12 05:14:35 its pretty easy that way I believe Mar 12 05:14:48 lordbah: it's easy if meta-doc is set up Mar 12 05:20:54 I think I found what I need :) Mar 12 05:21:09 anyone know what purpose the program "amazonservice_1.1-7_armv7.ipk" is for if "com.palm.app.amazonstore_1.0-73_armv7.ipk" installs on webos 2.1 and seems to run without the service? Mar 12 05:22:28 These are the program files fo the amazon mp3 app Mar 12 05:26:00 just type just broke :'( Mar 12 05:34:42 I didn't find anything useful in the default email app..... Mar 12 05:35:19 other than email? Mar 12 05:35:35 im looking for something in particular Mar 12 05:36:33 I wonder what ever happened to that port of mplayer... Mar 12 05:37:21 never heard of it Mar 12 05:37:57 few moths ago their was a mostly working (But very ugly almost no ui) port of mplayer Mar 12 05:38:33 someone in China had made not sure if he ever released the source code Mar 12 05:39:20 I guess development stopped or something :( Mar 12 05:39:38 my head hurts Mar 12 05:40:19 looking at my code will do that to ya Mar 12 05:40:31 yup Mar 12 05:40:36 no.. looking at Palm's code will do that to ya Mar 12 06:22:04 when trying to run the custom 2.1 doctor for my Pre+ i'm not able to hit the "next" button. I've tried to use the steps in the wiki (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover), but novacom does not seem to be running. I'm on OSX 10.6. Mar 12 06:22:16 Any help? Mar 12 06:26:32 NickNick: have you started novacomd? Mar 12 06:28:37 undrwatr: i did start it, with the "start-novacomd" executable. it showed up in activity monitor, but not it's gone... Not sure if it's related, but the doctor tries to install some drivers, and fails. Mar 12 06:29:23 nevermind, it's working now... Mar 12 06:29:28 NickNick: :D Mar 12 06:30:06 had to start novacomd AFTER the driver install failed Mar 12 06:30:21 :D Mar 12 07:08:39 OK. the 2.1 doctor took, and my wifi profile worked, but now it seems to be hung on the "resotring your backed up data" screen. Should i just reboot? Mar 12 07:13:20 Bueler? Mar 12 07:15:57 try Mar 12 07:16:18 did you follow the directions about disabling backup? Mar 12 07:16:57 Shouldn't need to, i'm on Verizon... Mar 12 07:17:31 was that at&t specific? Mar 12 07:17:53 i don't have the guide open Mar 12 07:18:02 Sprint, Verizon, and O2 (at least) can keep backups enabled before doctoring Mar 12 07:18:18 Mar 12 07:19:22 help Mar 12 07:29:40 no help for you Mar 12 07:30:30 ... and i'm on 2.1 Mar 12 08:04:42 !!! webos doctor keeps disconeting at 4% Mar 12 08:10:09 how do you doctor a device ? Mar 12 08:10:30 I hold volue up and power and it still won't hit the USB thing Mar 12 08:10:43 bhuey: what are you trying to do? upgrade to 2.1? Mar 12 08:11:10 Somebody_: have you read this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Pre_not_booting.3F_webOS_Doctor_How-To Mar 12 08:11:23 yes Mar 12 08:11:39 * bhuey looks Mar 12 08:11:54 What OS are you using to doctor? Mar 12 08:12:40 Sprint Pre Plus 2.1 Mar 12 08:12:45 I just did the board swap last night Mar 12 08:12:55 no, the computer you're connected to, what OS? Windows? Mar 12 08:13:01 os x Mar 12 08:13:20 no ubuntu Mar 12 08:13:23 10.10 Mar 12 08:13:27 duh Mar 12 08:13:41 can't help you there... I just did it on OSX 10.6 Mar 12 08:16:51 The problem i was having is that Novacomd wasn't running Mar 12 08:16:56 so i couldn't click the "next" button Mar 12 08:17:33 same here Mar 12 08:18:22 is novacom running? Mar 12 08:20:20 it's booting up Mar 12 08:21:08 Did you boot the phone in recovery mode? i had to do that too. Mar 12 08:21:33 it won't go into recovery mode Mar 12 08:21:38 vol up and power Mar 12 08:21:40 nothing... Mar 12 08:21:58 but a plain boot up Mar 12 08:22:08 did you follow the steps in the link i sent a few min ago? Mar 12 08:24:55 yes Mar 12 08:25:00 it's powered off Mar 12 08:25:16 and usb is connected? Mar 12 08:25:20 yes Mar 12 08:25:35 hold volume up then also hold power on until it powers on Mar 12 08:26:00 you should see a big USB icon Mar 12 08:26:25 just a regular palm icon Mar 12 08:26:34 ... Mar 12 08:28:08 Not sure then, dude Mar 12 08:28:10 it's going to fully boot again Mar 12 08:28:50 That recovery approach worked for me every time... Mar 12 08:30:07 could be a hardware failure with the volume button Mar 12 08:30:11 I could have fucked it up Mar 12 08:31:06 does your vol up button normally work? Mar 12 08:31:33 hitting it on the set up screen does nothing Mar 12 08:33:14 not sure. You could try removing the battery? if the USB cable is in, you shoudl be able to hold the vol up button, and plug the USB in and it will show a battery icon. Keep holding the vol up button and it should go to the USB icon Mar 12 08:34:24 got it Mar 12 08:34:42 good, good. Mar 12 08:34:50 how about the "next" button? Mar 12 08:35:22 yes Mar 12 08:35:33 chip icon just came on Mar 12 08:35:37 thats good news Mar 12 08:36:05 shit Mar 12 08:36:17 it said that it was unable to reset the phone Mar 12 08:37:22 try again Mar 12 08:38:16 flashing failed Mar 12 08:39:53 yeah, that happened to me as well. just try again Mar 12 08:42:20 java.io.IOException: castle.xml cannot be parsed. Mar 12 08:43:41 try rebuilding the doctor, start from scratch. do a git pull and make clobber in the meta-doc directory Mar 12 08:44:46 missing the caste.xml for the build Mar 12 08:44:51 rebuilding Mar 12 08:46:27 nice... Mar 12 08:47:26 5 percent now Mar 12 08:47:42 20 Mar 12 08:48:15 35 Mar 12 08:49:34 55 Mar 12 08:49:40 65 Mar 12 08:49:55 * bhuey crosses fingers Mar 12 08:50:06 75 Mar 12 08:53:07 penguin ? Mar 12 08:53:10 wtf ? Mar 12 08:54:31 still booting Mar 12 08:54:42 hp logo Mar 12 08:58:18 f-ing penguin... Mar 12 08:58:21 ;) Mar 12 08:58:33 what carrier are you on? Mar 12 08:58:41 oh shit sprint Mar 12 08:59:07 i'm on verizon. it loaded my profile fine, but it hung after it said it was loading my profile. Mar 12 08:59:18 i had to reboot (orange-sym-R) Mar 12 08:59:20 then it was fine Mar 12 09:02:30 it is fast Mar 12 09:05:37 wait till you get UberKernel loaded... Mar 12 09:08:16 good morning Mar 12 09:08:42 my Pre doesnt like it's SIM card this morning.. Mar 12 09:08:56 SOS only, check SIM Mar 12 09:09:23 dies anyone know what to do then (instead of rebooting which takes way too long)? Mar 12 09:09:26 *does Mar 12 09:12:35 This Sprint Pre Plus was a bit of a chore Mar 12 09:12:56 f-d up the slide tabs so I had to pushe them back out Mar 12 09:13:21 Fuu: turn off radio, turn it on agaoin Mar 12 09:13:56 Fuu:(airplane mode e.g.) Mar 12 09:14:11 ah great Mar 12 09:14:12 thx :) Mar 12 09:14:15 worked! Mar 12 09:14:28 I plan on doing a video on comm swapping and doctor creation for a Franken Pre2, the comm swapping portion will appli to all Pre- Pre+ and Pre2 versions though Mar 12 09:27:19 bhuey: everyone stuffs up the slide tabs the first time. Mar 12 09:31:44 yep, they are a pain the first couple of times Mar 12 09:32:10 I did find a nice easy way to get them in though... when I finally get time to make a nice vid I will detail that.. Mar 12 09:32:31 I have to get a nicer cam though as atm all I have is a webcam, which isn't good enough quality to show how that is done Mar 12 10:01:34 amazing Mar 12 10:05:17 rwhitby: no doub5 Mar 12 10:05:20 doubt Mar 12 10:05:56 rwhitby: thanks for the hard work btw Mar 12 10:06:21 2.1 ork great minus the app catalogue not working, presumably because there's no palm profile Mar 12 10:08:33 is there already a way to get rid of the problem I can't buy apps because the phone is not sold in my country ? Mar 12 10:10:23 not sure if I'll activate this phone on Sprint ever again though Mar 12 10:19:36 SimpsonCH: there is not Mar 12 10:20:11 I was afraid off that Mar 12 10:20:23 I really don't get that concept Mar 12 10:24:27 any1 here has experience with client side certificates with the web browser ? Mar 12 10:45:55 doesn't work Mar 12 10:47:23 rwhitby: btw, what bou the app catalogue without a palm profile on the device ? Mar 12 10:47:37 it seems to be stuck waiting on something Mar 12 10:47:50 you can't access the app catalog without a palm profile Mar 12 10:47:56 ok Mar 12 10:48:05 any way around it ? Mar 12 10:48:12 diretly download and install the packages ? Mar 12 10:48:22 nope Mar 12 10:48:27 shit Mar 12 10:48:51 how come you don't have a palm profile on the device? Mar 12 10:49:14 it's put into that mode where you can use it as a testing device Mar 12 10:49:22 so I didn't set up a profile Mar 12 10:49:38 you didn't use the meta-doctor then Mar 12 10:49:44 yes I did Mar 12 10:49:58 but I uncommented out one of those lines Mar 12 10:50:00 which wiki page are you following? Mar 12 10:50:04 for this behavior Mar 12 10:50:16 the one you posted to me about Sprint Pre Plus Mar 12 10:51:28 right. that gets you to Sprint 1.4.5, then you use the other wiki page to get to 2.1.0 with a profile Mar 12 10:51:52 well, I altered the Makefile Mar 12 10:52:01 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Mar 12 10:52:06 or what ever to not need the profile Mar 12 10:52:40 then your path is clear Mar 12 10:54:00 i'm still pondering with the idea of putting 2.1 on my pre (original) Mar 12 11:13:05 If you're swapping the CDMA board out of a VZW Pre+ into a GSM Dev Pre2 do you also need to swap the back part because of antenna or do you only have to swap the radioboards? Mar 12 11:58:17 you should always keep the back with the comms board Mar 12 11:58:25 mainly cause the wires are different lengths Mar 12 11:58:59 classyfy: look at the wiki page to see how to remove the volume keys to achieve this without breaking the volume cable (it's fragile) Mar 12 12:09:41 rwhitby: Ah I see, so I'll only have to go to Step 10 of (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2) and then swap it into the pre essentially Mar 12 12:10:06 yep Mar 12 12:10:30 Awesome, thanks for your help Mar 12 13:51:49 Sun is shining, birds are singing, and my Pre2 is on Sprint. Life is good! Mar 12 14:09:40 anybody booted ubuntu from a USB stick? Mar 12 14:11:38 yes Mar 12 14:11:48 about 2 days ago even Mar 12 14:11:54 just curious as to how long it should take. it's been writing dots to the screen for almost half an hour Mar 12 14:12:06 that's really really slow Mar 12 14:12:20 mine was faster than a cd by far Mar 12 14:12:27 how did you create it? Mar 12 14:12:37 yeah...doesn't seem right. this is a moderately fast system Mar 12 14:12:43 unetbootin is my tool of choice Mar 12 14:13:21 followed the instructions on the ubuntu homepage Mar 12 14:13:39 ah, I haven't done that in a long time Mar 12 14:13:47 last time I tried that didn't work for me either I think Mar 12 14:14:11 http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ Mar 12 14:14:22 thing is, I know it's worked cause I left the usb stick in overnight and when windows restarted for updates, it booted into ubuntu Mar 12 14:14:34 hmm.. Mar 12 14:14:51 but I was asleep, so I dunno how long it took Mar 12 14:15:09 but this can't be right. Mar 12 14:15:28 I must have corrupted the image somehow. Mar 12 14:18:10 just get the ubuntu installer and install from windows. delete when done. Mar 12 14:21:32 well, I'm trying to boot into ubuntu cause windows won't recognize my new hard drive in an external enclosure. I need to transfer some files over Mar 12 14:22:22 then once the files are on the new drive I'll install it internally and install ubuntu Mar 12 14:31:36 it's possible to scan the wifi from inside an app ?? Mar 12 14:47:40 Running doctor, console says "got devices 0". novacom -l doesn't list any devices. Pre2 has USB logo (did vol up while power on). dmesg shows Ubuntu saw the device get connected ("usb 1-4.2.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 23"). I guess doctor won't work until novacom does. Any ideas? Mar 12 14:49:50 lsusb? Mar 12 14:50:44 Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0830:8041 Palm, Inc. Mar 12 14:51:10 Also tried a different USB port on computer. dmesg changed to say "usb 2-4" but otherwise no change. Mar 12 14:53:26 I'm going to guess it's a novacom issue then Mar 12 14:54:17 have you installed the latest version of the sdk? that will reinstall the newest novacom drivers Mar 12 14:55:21 solved a similar problem for me Mar 12 14:55:33 idontwan2know: installed 1.4.5 some time ago but nothing since. Mar 12 15:22:54 Occurs to me I haven't used novacom since upgrading Ubuntu to 10.10. Maybe it just doesn't work any more. Mar 12 15:23:34 is novacomd running? Mar 12 15:23:44 Yes. Restarted it too just in case. Mar 12 15:25:28 Found a few posts where people in this situation just copied stuff over to Windows and ran it there. So that's an option as last resort. Mar 12 15:35:09 lordbah: i did so ;) Mar 12 15:35:29 i have a new novacom installer for windows you want to try it Mar 12 15:36:05 I hate having to use Windows for anything. I'm going to be stubborn a while longer. :-) Mar 12 15:36:27 oh u are on linux? Mar 12 15:36:54 I'd try reinstalling novacom Mar 12 15:37:19 on linux? Mar 12 15:37:31 Ubuntu 10.10. Already tried reinstalling palm-novacom. Mar 12 15:37:53 weird Mar 12 15:42:17 lordbah, sure u have the latest novacom? Mar 12 15:42:29 1.0.56 Mar 12 15:55:40 hmm, wonder if 10.10 moved where the usbfs stuff is mounted Mar 12 15:55:58 novacomd on linux is pretty simple, it just looks for the usb nodes Mar 12 15:56:26 Do you know what path it looks at? Mar 12 15:56:37 dont remember off the top of my head Mar 12 15:56:55 some variant of /proc/bus/usb and /dev something usb Mar 12 15:57:12 that path keeps moving around, i think /dev is the official place Mar 12 15:57:21 is novacomd running with root permissions? Mar 12 15:57:46 So says ps. Mar 12 15:57:58 okay, so it can't be a perm problem Mar 12 15:58:15 I don't see a /proc/bus/usb. Mar 12 15:58:25 yeah, i think /dev is the new location now Mar 12 15:58:36 since that udev can handle it Mar 12 15:59:09 Hmm not seeing any directory in /dev with usb in the name. Several char devices named usbmon[0-8]. Mar 12 15:59:21 no, bus/usb or anything? Mar 12 15:59:34 Ah, /dev/bus/usb exists. Mar 12 15:59:44 yah, that's where a device node will get published Mar 12 16:01:09 usb device access from userspace is pretty easy. basically there's a node for every device and there's a set of ioctls to get the descriptors, claim it, do io on different endpoints Mar 12 16:01:14 on linux Mar 12 16:01:15 What's the cmd to see if any process has it open? Something like lsfile? Mar 12 16:01:20 lsof Mar 12 16:01:29 or poke around inside /proc//fd Mar 12 16:01:31 geist, i got sending and recieving files working, my write wouldnt work unless i read the 'ok 0\n' from the socket Mar 12 16:01:47 PuffTheMagic: yep Mar 12 16:02:05 well, not entirely sure why, but that makes sense Mar 12 16:02:18 i guess that's a synchronous write in the novacomd code Mar 12 16:02:22 ya it does not make much sense to me either Mar 12 16:02:37 so i think i understand just about everything now Mar 12 16:02:49 you're picking out the headers and sending data in say 4k chunks? Mar 12 16:03:15 im sending it in 16k chunks, same size as i recieve them Mar 12 16:03:24 you should be able to just close the socket when you're done, but the proper thing to do is send a return message (which signals the end of transfer) Mar 12 16:03:32 and then close the socket Mar 12 16:03:52 if you were getting a file, that would be how you tell the eof Mar 12 16:03:59 so that would be 2 OOB packets right (0,0,0,0,0) then (2,0,0,0,0) Mar 12 16:04:13 dont remember the numbers exactly, but probably Mar 12 16:04:14 EOF then return Mar 12 16:04:35 yeah. EOF is mostly used so when you're doing a run file:// you can tell if either end closes stdout or stdin or so Mar 12 16:04:38 when i get a file i get (0,1,0,0,0) then (2,0,0,0,0) Mar 12 16:04:42 2 == stdout Mar 12 16:04:44 so ierr Mar 12 16:04:45 1 Mar 12 16:04:51 so 0 would be stdin for sending Mar 12 16:05:02 and 'return' is the return code of the process you spawned, and in the file transfer case is basically just 'i'm done' Mar 12 16:06:10 it's emulating essentially the equivalent of talking to a cat process with its stdout redirected to a file Mar 12 16:06:19 so if i want to doa proper run... i read a data packets, then the OOB packet to figure out which fd it goes to, then i pass the data packet to the right fd? Mar 12 16:06:22 though in the case of file transfer novacomd on the device is actually reading/writing to the files Mar 12 16:06:45 well, there are two data packet types Mar 12 16:06:52 one for the usual in, the other for the err in Mar 12 16:07:03 ie, stdout/stderr Mar 12 16:07:17 and for stdin you'd just use the regular data chanell Mar 12 16:07:35 (these are all named relative to the 'process' on the device) Mar 12 16:08:03 oh ya, i forgot the 4th part of the data header was stdout or stderr Mar 12 16:08:29 for file transfer you wont see anything on stderr Mar 12 16:08:35 right Mar 12 16:08:43 all of those features are needed for running a remote tar, for example Mar 12 16:08:59 that "need to read from socket" issue really threw me off for a while Mar 12 16:09:00 verbose printfs in tar are on stderr, main file transfer over stdin/stdout Mar 12 16:09:13 and EOF is necessary so the remote process can know the end of the tar file Mar 12 16:09:50 yeah, that may actually be a bug on novacomd Mar 12 16:10:01 might be unnecessarilly flushing the socket Mar 12 16:10:04 geist, one think i noticed when running novacomd in the forground is that on large file transfer its bitches about out of sync ACKs Mar 12 16:10:09 s/think/thing Mar 12 16:10:18 on the debug port? Mar 12 16:10:26 debug port? Mar 12 16:10:29 no stdout Mar 12 16:10:31 oh nin the foreground, yeah Mar 12 16:10:40 both novacom and my novacom.py do it Mar 12 16:10:44 so its cant be that big of an issue Mar 12 16:10:49 but i was curious about it Mar 12 16:10:56 there's another socket that you can telnet to in novacomd that essentially shows you the same thing that novacomd in foreground would say Mar 12 16:11:01 just a log Mar 12 16:11:33 yeah, out of sync acks aren't the end of the world Mar 12 16:11:43 the core novacomd protocol is basically a mini-tcp/ip Mar 12 16:11:56 simpler, but it's got acks and retransmits and whatnot Mar 12 16:12:05 ya i my md5sums were still correct so ifigured they were not bad Mar 12 16:12:23 it assumes the underlying transport is lossy. which is actually the case a lot of times on windows, sincewindows's usb stack is a massive pice of shit Mar 12 16:13:18 and retransmits are a nice way to keep it from having to actually do flow control Mar 12 16:13:21 geist, i appreciate you taking the time to go over this Mar 12 16:13:31 sure. it's kind of memory lane to think about it Mar 12 16:18:25 and i'm a bit annoyed that no one wrote a good packetizer for this sort of things Mar 12 16:18:34 and/or that hpalm still hasn't open sourced novacom/novacomd Mar 12 16:19:07 geist: Figured I'd try running novacomd in foreground. I see a starting... message but nothing else. An old forum post shows it printing "novacomctl socket ready to accept" but I'm not seeing that. Do you know if it still prints that on startup? Mar 12 16:20:22 no idea. if they modified it after i left i can't tell ya Mar 12 16:22:07 what's goin on? Mar 12 16:29:31 geist: Hmm. Using same USB cable, attached my Pre- and novacom recognizes it. It is actually running webos though, the Pre2 is at the USB icon screen. Mar 12 16:29:53 actually if it's on the usb icon, it's inside bootie Mar 12 16:31:14 Can novacom see it when it's there? Mar 12 16:33:01 lordbah, yes Mar 12 16:35:20 cryptk: Except that it doesn't in this case. Must be something wrong with this particular Pre2?? Mar 12 16:36:04 you see a big UDB logo on the screen? Mar 12 16:36:12 or is it the USB drive image? Mar 12 16:37:28 USB logo like you see on the cable end. Mar 12 16:37:53 lsusb -v says "iManufacturer 1 bootie". Mar 12 16:39:41 But novacom -l does not list it. Mar 12 16:39:48 Damn, I have a crunching hard disk, it's chewing all over my old data! :'( Mar 12 16:44:53 When the Pre- is cabled up novacomd says "novacom_usb_findandattach_thread:499: usb_handle 0x00000000, bus 002 dev 009". When the Pre2 is cabled up, novacomd says nothing at all. Mar 12 16:46:48 so why are you doctoring the pre2? Mar 12 16:47:31 It just arrived. I don't have a sim. I want to run it wifi only. But on powerup it won't let me go anywhere without inserting a sim. Mar 12 16:48:19 ah I see Mar 12 16:49:27 Uh oh. Forum post: "I managed to access the phone using the latest novacom drivers rel. 1.0.64. Release 1.0.56 doesn't work with Palm Pre 2. I got the download link in the restricted area of the forum after being enrolled in the early access program." 1.0.56 is what I have. Guess I'll have to wait to see if they let me into the early access program. Mar 12 16:49:51 ah okay Mar 12 16:50:12 that's lame, they must have either changed the protocol, or they're still switching based on the device id/vendor pair Mar 12 16:50:19 ::facepalm:: should've known that was the issue... Mar 12 16:50:33 it should be forward compatible, unless they changed something Mar 12 16:50:49 which isn't surprising Mar 12 16:50:56 I think there's a workaround but I'm pretty sure that it's windows only Mar 12 16:51:33 geist: I don't suppose those id/vendor pairs would be in an external config file? Mar 12 16:51:54 oh you're on windows? Mar 12 16:52:00 No, Ubuntu. Mar 12 16:52:07 yeah, you're fucked. windows you have to release a new driver for every vendor/id pair Mar 12 16:52:44 lordbah: no. last i left itit was just testing the palm vendor pair and looking for the novacom protocol/subprocol field Mar 12 16:52:45 no, I brought up windows as a last resort. I think the windows driver is included in the doctor jar Mar 12 16:52:54 which i thin was something like 97:79 or something weird like that Mar 12 16:53:08 but if someone revved the protocol, then you gott wait Mar 12 16:53:20 No, its not a changed protocol Mar 12 16:53:32 thenit should match the new devices Mar 12 16:53:51 its device id Mar 12 16:53:57 doesn't matter Mar 12 16:54:05 like i said i left it so that it'd match against any device id Mar 12 16:54:18 that had the right vendor and the right interface with the right protocol/subprotocol field Mar 12 16:54:27 But we ran into the same thing at SCALE, where publicly released versions would not talk with the pre2 at all Mar 12 16:54:45 probably because someone revved the firled Mar 12 16:54:49 protocol i mean Mar 12 16:55:10 ther was some talk about a bunch of crypto and authentication that someone wanted to hack in Mar 12 16:55:18 and they were going to do it all wrong and i got tired of fighting it Mar 12 16:55:28 maybe they implemented that Mar 12 16:55:31 Well, it took both me and Kevin Hauge by surprise Mar 12 16:56:00 IIRC we got it working by swapping a device id in it from the pre2 a while back Mar 12 16:56:26 lordbah, pull the novacom that you need out of the doctor image Mar 12 16:56:29 err jar Mar 12 16:56:36 weird. i dunno then Mar 12 16:56:45 just download the 2.0.1 doctor jar, a working novacom is in there Mar 12 16:56:51 i've been gone for like 9 months now, so there could have been a lot of changes Mar 12 16:57:42 oh well, anyway. gotta go Mar 12 16:57:44 oh yeah... forgot, the jar doesn't have the linux one in it... Mar 12 16:57:47 have fun hacking Mar 12 16:57:49 later giest... nice chat! Mar 12 16:58:11 thanks Mar 12 17:08:51 thanks to geist I am now streaming mp3's from my Pre2 over the speakers on my PC through novacom... Mar 12 17:09:38 novacom run file:///bin/cat /path/to/song.mp3 | mplayer - Mar 12 17:10:40 so in a C program you should be able to have it run something like `novacom run file:///bin/ls -r /media/internal/` Mar 12 17:10:56 dump the output into an array... parse it for mp3's and dump the rest Mar 12 17:11:12 then start up a playlist of mp3's on your Pre Mar 12 17:11:26 all without putting it into USB mode... Mar 12 17:11:34 so you can still receive phone calls Mar 12 17:12:18 make sure you remember the -- Mar 12 17:12:55 I didn't need it actually Mar 12 17:13:08 what I put there was the exact command I ran Mar 12 17:13:42 hrm... I think I will write that app... and call it geistMP3... Mar 12 17:13:49 would you mind if I used your name in it geist ? Mar 12 17:13:49 you will for the ls Mar 12 17:14:04 heh Mar 12 17:14:09 novacom run file://'/bin/ls -R /media/internal' Mar 12 17:14:12 that worked great Mar 12 17:14:17 ah, that works too Mar 12 17:14:29 the -- works as well Mar 12 17:14:37 basicallyit's to keep novacom's getopt() from parsing the switches Mar 12 17:15:05 yeah Mar 12 17:15:11 novacom -- is cleaner looking Mar 12 17:15:27 hay Mar 12 17:16:27 or just pump the output of novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal -type f -name "*.mp3" into an array... Mar 12 17:16:38 no need to parse it for MP3's then... it's already done when you get it back Mar 12 17:16:55 maybe just parse out things in /media/internal/ringtones Mar 12 17:17:25 what you can't do easily is use bash like redirection and whatnot on the device Mar 12 17:17:32 withouta ctually running a shell script on the device Mar 12 17:17:42 ie, push a script to /tmp, run it Mar 12 17:17:59 or i think you can sh -C and push in a script Mar 12 17:18:02 yeah... I just figured that out... Mar 12 17:18:25 I tried novacom run file://'/usr/bin/find /media/internal -type f -name "*.mp3" | grep -v ringtones' Mar 12 17:18:29 remember | > < $, etc are all shell things that get resolved before processes run Mar 12 17:18:32 needless to say... didn't work Mar 12 17:18:35 yeah Mar 12 17:18:44 and run file isn't running a shell on the device, it's directly spawning that process Mar 12 17:18:53 I was hoping to single quote the whole thing to get it all sent over as an intact command Mar 12 17:19:03 yep Mar 12 17:19:08 you can, if you sen id it to a sh process Mar 12 17:19:11 and then have it inrepret Mar 12 17:19:47 it's pretty low level, i never really intended novacom to be pariticularly convenient to use, mostly as a piece for larger scripts or whatnot Mar 12 17:19:49 ahhh... Mar 12 17:20:46 i didn't want it to become a dumping grounds for different specliazed logic Mar 12 17:20:59 that was for other projects to use novacom as a part Mar 12 17:21:44 anyway, gotta go Mar 12 17:22:26 bye geist Mar 12 17:29:05 any1 around who knows about openvpn package ? Mar 12 17:30:55 anyone found out an easier way to get sprint nav into 2.1? Mar 12 17:34:35 wow geist wrote novacom? Mar 12 17:36:37 keith, yes Mar 12 17:36:46 nice Mar 12 17:36:52 PatrickC_Pixi, not any way that can be discussed here Mar 12 17:36:52 novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal \( -path '/media/internal/ringtones' -o -path '/media/internal/.palm' \) -prune -o -name "*.mp3" -exec cat {} \; | mplayer - Mar 12 17:36:55 that's the super command Mar 12 17:37:23 finds all mp3s on your /media/internal... excludes ringtones... excludes things in .palm (for speed) and plays them... Mar 12 17:38:05 that command is a great proof of concept... Mar 12 17:38:19 now to find a way to make novacom/novacomd work over wifi... Mar 12 17:38:47 then you could have your PC check for your phone every so oftin... you get home and your PC picks it up... automatically starts playing music... Mar 12 17:38:58 or maybe bluetooth... Mar 12 17:39:16 you would have to secure it somehow to make sure random people couldn't jsut novacom in... Mar 12 17:42:46 novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal \( -path '/media/internal/ringtones' -o -path '/media/internal/.palm' \) -prune -o -name "*.mp3" -exec cat {} \; | mplayer -cache 8192 - Mar 12 17:42:57 the addition of the -cache 8192 fixes a few issues Mar 12 18:08:48 cryptk: could also be done by zeroconf, or? Mar 12 18:08:59 maybe Mar 12 18:09:36 the dev-forum just has a small example about zeroconf, it just waits in the background for the service to be announced Mar 12 18:12:19 cryptk: using novacom for this is a bit silly when you could use ssh, no? Mar 12 18:12:33 mounting my phone as an sshfs volume is very convenient Mar 12 18:12:35 wgreenhouse, it is a proof of concept Mar 12 18:12:57 fair enough Mar 12 18:12:58 I am just playing with grabbing something from the phone and doing something with it on the PC Mar 12 18:13:04 using novacom as a pipe Mar 12 18:13:18 for things like files sure sshfs is easier... Mar 12 18:13:23 42 Mar 12 18:13:24 but think framebuffers... Mar 12 18:13:31 think tty's Mar 12 18:13:48 think 42 Mar 12 18:13:56 ka6sox-away, you have any mp3's on your pre? Mar 12 18:14:01 * wgreenhouse grins Mar 12 18:14:02 I like 42... Mar 12 18:14:18 halfhalo, is a windows noob, he doesn't get to play Mar 12 18:14:25 I haven't really used novacom since I used it to set up optware etc. Mar 12 18:14:45 windows unite ! Mar 12 18:14:53 cryptk: ssh would be my go-to for the kind of stuff you're talking about Mar 12 18:14:57 cryptk, nope...can't see a 1 (except for a ringtone looking thing) Mar 12 18:14:59 ssh and screen Mar 12 18:15:09 wgreenhouse, you are still missing the point... can you SSH into a stock pre? Mar 12 18:15:16 no you cant Mar 12 18:15:34 unless you are made of magic Mar 12 18:15:47 well no, but I wouldn't want OTA access to a stock pre...that's a vulnerability... Mar 12 18:16:15 wgreenhouse, the whole wifi thing was just an idea I was tossing around Mar 12 18:16:45 sorry, maybe I'm missing a further point... Mar 12 18:17:06 but over USB, you could grab the framebuffer from a stock pre and put it somewhere on your PC Mar 12 18:17:40 mmm, that's actually interesting, especially if I could interact with it Mar 12 18:17:56 though I imagine that'd take something like a VNC server Mar 12 18:18:00 yep... pipe mouseclicks back into the input of the pre Mar 12 18:18:13 hmmmmmm Mar 12 18:18:26 technically you could put anything from anywhere to anywhere... in full duplex Mar 12 18:18:32 wgreenhouse, now are you seeing the point? Mar 12 18:18:45 as I said earlier... the MP3's are just a proof of concept Mar 12 18:19:34 hay wgreenhouse Mar 12 18:19:37 full duplex, eh? I would love to use the accelerometer as a Linux game controller Mar 12 18:19:43 hey PatrickC_Pixi Mar 12 18:19:53 hows the reviews comin? Mar 12 18:20:05 bah reviews :-P Mar 12 18:20:11 * PatrickC_Pixi wishes he had 2.1 on his Pixi Mar 12 18:20:13 lol Mar 12 18:20:27 or use the camera as a webcam Mar 12 18:20:36 or the mic as a mic... but for your PC Mar 12 18:20:50 or... make and receive phone calls on your PC... Mar 12 18:20:53 all possible Mar 12 18:23:46 cryptk: have you seen my video of Presenter? Mar 12 18:24:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerRKvDuEIc Mar 12 18:24:54 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du2oMSwLVsk&feature=related Mar 12 18:25:51 MetaView_, but that requires an app... and requires encoding on the device side I would think... Mar 12 18:26:03 using this, you could just grab the framebuffer and display it Mar 12 18:26:10 anyways, I gotta run... bbiaf Mar 12 19:25:41 metaview_ you still here? Mar 12 19:50:32 bbl Mar 12 20:32:33 cryptk: I always thought it is novacom run file://... -- args ... Mar 12 20:32:51 rwhitby, I am just going with the syntax I got from geist Mar 12 20:32:58 it works Mar 12 20:33:35 did he really say to put the -- before the command and target ? Mar 12 20:33:45 or did he just say that -- stops arg processing? Mar 12 20:34:31 novacom -- Mar 12 20:34:31 then the rest Mar 12 20:35:58 I guess both are the same, since the command and target don't start with -- Mar 12 20:54:26 is it possible to activate the palm profile just over wifi ? Mar 12 21:09:24 somebody sell me a pre Mar 12 21:09:26 0_o Mar 12 21:09:33 + Mar 12 21:15:59 how much is a GSM unlocked Pre2? Mar 12 21:16:21 I will sell you a Pre2 for exactly the cost of a GSM unlocked Pre2 + Shipping + PayPal Fees Mar 12 21:16:25 hows that for a deal? Mar 12 21:40:19 hey guys. so i noticed that the virtual keyboard patch is a place holder.... is that correct? becuz ive had it pop up on me. but i cant get it to pop up with a double tap. Mar 12 21:40:29 am i missing something here? Mar 12 21:41:02 jomama: double tap on gesture area (but not in the middle) Mar 12 21:42:35 i did... nothing happenes Mar 12 21:43:03 it's a bit squirrely in my experience Mar 12 21:43:08 im on 2.1 by the way, and patch info says its a placeholder, but i swear iv seen it pop up Mar 12 21:43:25 oh, it may be a placeholder for 2.1 Mar 12 21:43:27 it works in 1.4.5 Mar 12 21:43:46 there is a build-in virtual keyboard in 2.1 Mar 12 21:44:05 yea workd fine in 1.4.5 but i swear its came up before in 2.1 Mar 12 21:44:06 and there is supposed to be a patch wich enables it on a swipe down/up Mar 12 21:47:55 . Mar 12 21:57:25 ok i plused my sprint minus with an att pre pus.... now i cant send or recieve text messages.... any ideas? Mar 12 21:59:01 i get... You are currently not allowed to use this service. Please contact customer care support. Msg 2126 Mar 12 21:59:57 was on the phone with text support for hours last night Mar 12 22:04:22 ? Mar 12 22:05:25 I GOT A REPLY!!!!! Mar 12 22:09:35 PatrickC_Pre: see http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/ Mar 12 22:11:45 wowo PatrickC_Pre they told you that you didn't qualify eh ? Mar 12 22:11:49 lol j/k Mar 12 22:11:57 lol Mar 12 22:12:02 they said: Mar 12 22:12:18 please send my your full mailing address and phone number Mar 12 22:12:25 hehe Mar 12 22:12:28 nice nice Mar 12 22:13:17 yep yep Mar 12 22:13:30 ok i plused my sprint minus with an att pre pus.... now i cant send or recieve text messages.... any ideas? Mar 12 22:13:33 I emailed my old dev rep and she helped me :) Mar 12 22:13:37 i get... You are currently not allowed to use this service. Please contact customer care support. Msg 2126 Mar 12 22:13:47 was on the phone with text support for hours last night Mar 12 22:14:08 ziplocks- you told them you switched your comm board ? Mar 12 22:14:09 metaview_ can I be a beta tester? Mar 12 22:14:19 no i didnt Mar 12 22:14:22 yes Mar 12 22:14:39 sweet! Mar 12 22:15:06 should I? Mar 12 22:15:43 noo... I don't think that's a good idea Mar 12 22:15:53 lo me ethier Mar 12 22:16:05 i can make calls just no texting Mar 12 22:16:42 running 1.4.5 Mar 12 22:16:56 not 2.1? Mar 12 22:17:17 nope i was 2.1 then went back to 1.4.5. with diffrent profile Mar 12 22:17:20 metaview_ do you have my email? Mar 12 22:17:23 why? Mar 12 22:17:49 cause 2.1 doesnt provision and tech support reseting mr left and right Mar 12 22:17:58 mr=me Mar 12 22:18:15 I see Mar 12 22:18:36 after i can text im going back to 2.1 Mar 12 22:20:09 brb Mar 12 22:27:51 so anyway Mar 12 22:28:06 what's goin on? Mar 12 22:28:08 i went to ATT yesterday right.. the only palm phone they have is a pixi .. umm.. yea Mar 12 22:28:14 ... Mar 12 22:28:16 sorry Mar 12 22:28:16 PatrickC_Pre: no email Mar 12 22:28:17 that pixi was slow and to small Mar 12 22:28:20 bastards Mar 12 22:28:43 what are you looking for? Presenter? Mar 12 22:28:47 metaview_ I PMed it to you Mar 12 22:28:50 yea Mar 12 22:28:55 [23:07] MetaView: PatrickC_Pre: see http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/ Mar 12 22:28:58 joeb_: ATT has the Pre+, unless they have completely sold out of them Mar 12 22:28:59 just download Mar 12 22:29:05 I got a really cheap deal on one from my local store Mar 12 22:29:06 I downloaded the one off your site, do you have a beta program? Mar 12 22:29:12 nope Mar 12 22:29:16 oh ok Mar 12 22:29:34 it's the actual version Mar 12 22:29:58 is it app catalog submittible? Mar 12 22:30:07 yes, it should Mar 12 22:30:20 cool! Mar 12 22:30:30 don't seems to need special rights, but I'm not sure Mar 12 22:30:39 how much is the paid version gonna be? Mar 12 22:30:54 $200 Mar 12 22:31:04 oil: no, I need more Mar 12 22:31:12 maybe 2 or 3 $ Mar 12 22:31:17 You know, i've looked at metaviews blog before Mar 12 22:31:28 ah, you was it Mar 12 22:31:36 and that damn \' in the title always annoys me Mar 12 22:31:42 :) Mar 12 22:31:47 i mean, stripslashes much? Mar 12 22:31:49 I haven't, this was my first time lol Mar 12 22:31:58 I didn't enter it, but at the end I like it Mar 12 22:32:03 lol Mar 12 22:32:32 btw, it doesn't make sense to have the app on the pre without the server... Mar 12 22:32:44 the app is 8 d/l's, the server only 4 Mar 12 22:32:50 lol Mar 12 22:32:53 good morning, Ros Mar 12 22:32:54 just wrap that print in a stripslashes() and you'll be golden Mar 12 22:32:58 s/s/d Mar 12 22:33:33 it's part of the default wordpress install, I'm not going to mess with it Mar 12 22:33:38 ! Mar 12 22:33:46 then reconfigure your database Mar 12 22:34:11 no, no, I like it.. [whistles] Mar 12 22:34:23 http://www.php.net/manual/en/info.configuration.php#ini.magic-quotes-gpc Mar 12 22:34:31 ok i plused my sprint minus with an att pre pus.... now i cant send or recieve text messages.... any ideas? Mar 12 22:34:42 i get... You are currently not allowed to use this service. Please contact customer care support. Msg 2126 Mar 12 22:35:07 last time ill ask then im callin support :( Mar 12 22:35:50 ziplocks, need more info Mar 12 22:35:58 what version of webos? Mar 12 22:36:02 1.4.5 Mar 12 22:36:09 ziplocks: are you on spring or at&t? Mar 12 22:36:14 s/spring/sprint/ Mar 12 22:36:14 wgreenhouse meant: ziplocks: are you on sprint or at&t? Mar 12 22:36:16 sprint Mar 12 22:36:21 ok Mar 12 22:36:28 did you move the tokens over? Mar 12 22:36:33 yes Mar 12 22:36:39 i can make calls Mar 12 22:36:46 try meta-doctoring to 2.1.0 Mar 12 22:37:15 i was 2.1 before going back to 1.4.5 same problem Mar 12 22:37:37 metaview_ what's "Mrz"? Mar 12 22:38:35 im on Verizon, so i am not that familiar with the sprint "plussing" process Mar 12 22:38:41 rwhitby is though Mar 12 22:38:56 Mrz? sounds like the abbrevation of March, in German Mar 12 22:39:03 where do you find Mrz Mar 12 22:39:11 im using a att plus with sprint comm board Mar 12 22:41:47 bbl... g'night Mar 12 22:41:52 thanks for trying guys imma call tech suppot maybe its nework side Mar 12 22:43:20 lol Mar 12 22:44:23 because hacking 2 devices into 1 certainly couldn't be the problem, must be the network Mar 12 22:45:10 i dont think its the tokens Mar 12 22:45:33 i think its more likely something local is messed up then the network is broken Mar 12 22:45:47 the match up via show prob app Mar 12 22:46:02 but i've never plussed a sprint pre, so im no help in fixing it Mar 12 22:46:03 any patches installed? Mar 12 22:46:04 they match up via show prop app * Mar 12 22:46:17 nope fresh 1.4.5 doctor Mar 12 22:46:20 did you hand-type the tokens? or use showprops to extract them? Mar 12 22:46:27 showprops Mar 12 22:46:48 sprint frankenPre2 has a spontaneous luna restart issue. any ideas? Mar 12 22:47:51 logs? Mar 12 22:48:15 dont have any Mar 12 22:48:39 if u refering to me that is Mar 12 23:47:43 Anyone on here have a sprint pre with webos 2.1 on it? Mar 13 00:04:57 Anyone here have webos 2.1 on a sprint pre? If so can you open up the Nascar and Football app and tell me if they are working? I nottice on mine that while they open, the app tells me to run an update... Mar 13 00:07:07 Anyone here have webos 2.1 on a sprint pre? If so can you open up the Nascar and Football app and tell me if they are working? I nottice on mine that while they open, the app tells me to run an update... Mar 13 00:07:17 Somebody__, that is enough... we can all read Mar 13 00:07:33 many people are out doing things atm... Mar 13 00:07:34 hopefully, anywho Mar 13 00:07:54 if there was someone reading who had it, they would have responded Mar 13 00:08:21 sorry i don't know if what said on the irc gets saved for those logged in but away... Mar 13 00:08:52 don't have those apps on my sprint pre2 Mar 13 00:09:20 on a pre- Mar 13 00:09:32 yes... the text stays... it doesn't expire or anything Mar 13 00:09:42 if they are logged in, it will stay on their screen Mar 13 00:09:52 Ok i haven used IRC's that much Mar 13 00:11:18 hey i have a question about getting the terminal emulator working Mar 13 00:11:34 i installed the terminal and all i get is the black screen with no text Mar 13 00:11:46 it remains black if I try to change the color Mar 13 00:11:49 afaik terminal doesn't work in 2.x Mar 13 00:11:57 ok Mar 13 00:12:00 yea i got 2.1 Mar 13 00:12:11 terminus doesnt work either? Mar 13 00:12:15 i tried it Mar 13 00:12:24 idk Mar 13 00:12:39 ok Mar 13 00:12:54 yea i saw a fix on google, but it didnt work out Mar 13 00:13:28 would there be anyway to not hide but actually remove the Nascar and Football apps via novaterm? instead of having to re-doctor with them not included? Mar 13 00:14:14 Somebody__, check out the ipkg command Mar 13 00:14:25 you would want to do something along the lines of ipkg list Mar 13 00:14:33 then ipkg remove PACKAGE-ID Mar 13 00:14:45 but you would need to remount the root partition readwrite first Mar 13 00:14:52 with this command... Mar 13 00:15:00 mount -o remount,rw / Mar 13 00:15:10 check out the output of `ipkg help` first Mar 13 00:15:24 I think the commands are ipkg list and ipkg remove, but I could be mistaken Mar 13 00:15:32 Ok, thanks Mar 13 00:15:41 but ipkg help will show the ones to use to list installed packages and remove a package Mar 13 00:16:24 If it's not just me the webos internals wiki needs to be changed to say that these two apps are bot functioning Mar 13 00:16:26 yea i tried this for terminal access but it didn't work: http://metaviewsoft.de/wordpress/?p=560 Mar 13 00:21:21 Somebody__, it is a wiki, feel free to update the pages Mar 13 00:21:31 the wiki is largely community maintained Mar 13 00:22:05 I hardly ever even get to visit the wiki sadly... Mar 13 00:22:31 well i would want to confirm that it's not just me first Mar 13 00:22:37 especially now that we have new hardware to be built, designed, configured, installed, and implemented Mar 13 00:22:53 for the terminal apps? Mar 13 00:23:07 I know Terminal doesn't work in 2.1 for sure Mar 13 00:23:15 haven't tried Terminus Mar 13 00:23:36 the Nascar and Football sprint apps Mar 13 00:24:01 word Mar 13 00:24:03 oh, no clue Mar 13 00:24:18 my Sprint Pre hasn't gotten any love lately... it is still on 1.4.5 Mar 13 00:24:26 terminus like gives you the curser but doesnt like accept input Mar 13 00:24:28 considering I have this shiny new Sprint Pre2 Mar 13 00:24:49 and doesnt have like the # at the prompt Mar 13 00:24:53 COZAD_2o1o, like you should like update the wiki... like... Mar 13 00:24:59 the pre 3 looks tempting hope it comes to sprint Mar 13 00:25:00 arent they just vzwireless Mar 13 00:25:01 ok Mar 13 00:25:07 totally, like Mar 13 00:25:07 yea the pre3 looks rad Mar 13 00:25:22 Somebody__, the Pre3 is sexy, I got to play with it for a bit Mar 13 00:25:22 like im happy with the pre2 Mar 13 00:25:28 halfhalo, got to mess with it too Mar 13 00:25:28 but the bigger size looks useful Mar 13 00:25:31 and the veer... Mar 13 00:25:44 I like really like the Pre2 Mar 13 00:25:47 like Mar 13 00:25:52 totally Mar 13 00:25:58 dude Mar 13 00:26:03 whatever Mar 13 00:26:14 pushaw! Mar 13 00:26:21 PUHLEASE Mar 13 00:26:34 COZAD_2o1o, the Pre3 and veer haven't been released, nobody knows what carrier they are going to Mar 13 00:26:42 yea word Mar 13 00:26:55 I even tried getting Adora drunk to get her to like spill the beans... and she like wouldn't budge on it Mar 13 00:27:09 shame it's lacking an hdmi out :( also wouldn't mind more Ram just beacuse it can... Mar 13 00:27:39 you should have tried more magics Mar 13 00:28:00 i kinda like the pixi form factor Mar 13 00:28:56 i kinda wish they had just spec bumped the pixi instead of veer Mar 13 00:29:41 I feel that the pixi's (why is it named that) screen is a bit small Mar 13 00:29:50 halfhalo, if I tried more magics then she would have her boyfriend and his P|C goons come after me Mar 13 00:29:59 hahahaha Mar 13 00:30:01 true Mar 13 00:30:25 although I did get an awesome pic of her hanging off of the Rackspace booth, lol Mar 13 00:30:32 saw that Mar 13 00:32:01 hmm, looking at the spec sheet the snapdragon 8x55 series supports Dolby 5.1 surround Mar 13 00:34:17 of course the omap 3430 supported WMV acceleration and we never saw that... Mar 13 00:35:31 technically you could use novacom to pull HD video out of the phone... Mar 13 00:35:41 I know it isn't HDMI, but you could still do it Mar 13 00:36:01 but it would only work with a computer that has novacom installed Mar 13 00:36:24 I put a command in IRC earlier to stream MP3's off the USB partition Mar 13 00:38:37 how can I run the first use app diretly ? Mar 13 00:38:45 directly btw ? Mar 13 00:39:13 this is on an unactivated device without any EVDO connection so I'd like to turn the wifi on first Mar 13 00:42:30 easily Mar 13 00:42:47 just run the gesture tutorial Mar 13 00:43:03 ok Mar 13 00:44:12 yeah, I need to get wifi on frist before I can activate this device Mar 13 00:44:13 so sad Mar 13 00:44:36 I'm probably going to stick with this EVO for not because of the screen and the 4G radio Mar 13 00:44:47 s/not/now/ Mar 13 00:44:49 bhuey meant: I'm probably going to stick with this EVO for now because of the screen and the 4G radio Mar 13 00:45:01 spec bumped pixi would be fly Mar 13 00:45:14 veer is a lie Mar 13 00:45:24 don't like it ? Mar 13 00:45:30 not at all Mar 13 00:45:36 can I take the keyboard half of my pre2 off and replace it with a pixi? Mar 13 00:45:43 it seems like wasted effort Mar 13 00:45:51 slide it the other way and get two screens ;) Mar 13 00:45:54 and personally I felt pixi was better in design Mar 13 00:46:01 they should have gotten either an LTE or WiMax radio in there. Mar 13 00:46:06 has a headphone jack and no slider, that's my kinda phone Mar 13 00:46:09 it's intolerable for folks in San Francisco or NYC Mar 13 00:46:15 They should not have named it the pixi... Mar 13 00:46:18 like a sexy centro Mar 13 00:47:19 webos is falling behind in a number of areas compared to android and this EVO Mar 13 00:47:22 pixi is a great phone, from it's outsides... very good keyboard, better than Pre(-/+/2) and more robust, because not sliding.. Mar 13 00:47:24 cryptk: what's the cmd Mar 13 00:47:35 keyboard on pixi is insane Mar 13 00:47:35 I wish it was compatible with the nextmuni page for location services Mar 13 00:47:38 like best keyboard ever Mar 13 00:47:59 so that I can get the public transit info for the nearest stop Mar 13 00:48:03 yea i really like the pixi, i just wish it was moderatly spec'd Mar 13 00:48:07 djwhitey_pre, Mar 13 00:48:07 novacom -- run file:///usr/bin/find /media/internal \( -path '/media/internal/ringtones' -o -path '/media/internal/.palm' \) -prune -o -name "*.mp3" -exec cat {} \; | mplayer -cache 8192 - Mar 13 00:48:10 I feel like things would be going a lot better if they only released the pixi form factor with the pre specs Mar 13 00:48:10 it just works on the EVO Mar 13 00:48:26 just put some mp3's on your phone, not in the ringtones folder or in the .palm folder Mar 13 00:48:29 or made a full touch Mar 13 00:48:38 then run that command in a linux terminal Mar 13 00:48:51 phone must be in dev mode, computer must have novacom installed Mar 13 00:48:53 your hail mary should never be a slider Mar 13 00:49:16 I guess a full touche will be arriving next after the touch pad... Mar 13 00:49:31 I really hope that HP releases much more phones. Mar 13 00:49:40 Garfonso, they will Mar 13 00:49:51 i hope they stick with the keypad Mar 13 00:50:01 like i used to have a blackberry Mar 13 00:50:23 and even though it wasnt as smooth as the iphone, it did everything really effortlessly Mar 13 00:50:30 they said so, yes... but they need to get moving. Like palm said one day: they basically lost a year, which is a huge amount of time in this business. Mar 13 00:50:31 full touch made of titanium with a bigass battery Mar 13 00:51:13 I'd like to have a full touch again.. at least as main show-off-device. ;) Mar 13 00:51:14 btw the iPad2 looks pretty impressive from a hardware point of view Mar 13 00:51:16 and a discrete DAC, and 128GB internal memory Mar 13 00:51:31 :D Mar 13 00:51:37 discrete DAC would be insane. ;) Mar 13 00:51:40 * bhuey wonders now if he can get a iPad cheaply because of it Mar 13 00:52:01 ipad 2 is phantasmical Mar 13 00:52:11 it's thinner than the iphone Mar 13 00:52:13 magic. Mar 13 00:53:25 yeah.. I fear that touchpad is realy loosing... hopefuly the marketing of HP will draw at least some attention towards it... Mar 13 00:53:38 slightly worried about no rear facing camera on the touchpad Mar 13 00:54:18 biggest problem of the touchpad is that it is not here right now... ;) Mar 13 00:54:24 right now it's "that thing that's thicker than an ipad, has less apps, and no rear facing camera" Mar 13 00:54:40 i mean webos could be good on tablets Mar 13 00:54:52 it could be the android of tablets Mar 13 00:54:58 it's already looking great on tablets Mar 13 00:55:10 android is the android of tablets Mar 13 00:55:11 i hear its questionable Mar 13 00:55:18 well I mean it's not ipad smooth Mar 13 00:55:23 yea Mar 13 00:55:26 webos could do that Mar 13 00:55:30 or like compete Mar 13 00:56:00 webos just needs apps and better phone hardware Mar 13 00:56:12 the tablet seems fine Mar 13 00:56:31 the thing about android is the whole point of it is to flood the market with a host of incorrect form factors and UX decisions and get the highest share Mar 13 00:57:20 so when samsung and motorola release like 6 different 7 inchers next year it gets harder for anyone else that isn't apple to gain a foothold Mar 13 00:57:55 on a side note I am MAD Mar 13 00:58:20 mac: oh hey your microSD card is working great let me transfer 2GB of files no sweat Mar 13 00:58:36 nook: OH MY GOD I CAN'T RECOGNIZE YOUR CARD IT MUST BE BROKEN I SHALL FORMAT IT IF YOU WISH Mar 13 00:58:42 to hell with microSD. Mar 13 00:59:26 yea i think its whatever Mar 13 00:59:31 i'm down either way Mar 13 00:59:37 hmm gesture tutorial is coming up with blank screen Mar 13 00:59:39 not good Mar 13 00:59:50 like micro sd is no excuse for low internal memory Mar 13 00:59:57 but im down with the option Mar 13 01:00:50 lol, like the droid eris I keep around for android dev? Mar 13 01:01:30 I'm not even down with the option because the option opens up the possibility of manufacts using it as an excuse for low internal memory Mar 13 01:01:44 yea Mar 13 01:02:00 I wish I could have microsd Mar 13 01:02:08 id be down if it was like on computers with sd ports or cd drives Mar 13 01:02:18 since my music collection is larger than what folks normally ship on these devices Mar 13 01:02:23 like a way of as a way of transfering without wires Mar 13 01:02:36 I wonder how reliable a phone with a hard drive like an ipod would be Mar 13 01:02:50 would probably be gigantic Mar 13 01:02:55 and heavy Mar 13 01:02:56 probably not that reliable as the HD heads would crash often Mar 13 01:03:25 crash often like they do on ipod classics that people have been jogging in the morning with for five years? Mar 13 01:03:27 and with flash prices going down Mar 13 01:04:08 festure tutorial has locked out my phone again Mar 13 01:04:10 if flash prices went down to a point where 128gb is the rule, we'd live in hella times Mar 13 01:05:01 i mean the thunderbolt is for verizon is shipping with a 32 gig sdcard Mar 13 01:05:18 I'd like to see SSD speeds on a phone Mar 13 01:05:23 if that was paired with like 16 or more of internal memory Mar 13 01:05:29 id be fine with it Mar 13 01:05:42 expensive device Mar 13 01:05:47 32G is about right for me Mar 13 01:05:57 32 GB of unreliable memory Mar 13 01:06:08 the problem with microSD is: internal memory will be lower, therefore you want to install at least some apps on the sd card.. but that is likely to make the system (and yourself) go crazy if you remove the sd in the wrong moment... that's a BAD downside of this concept. Mar 13 01:06:20 21G for the music and stuff left over Mar 13 01:06:36 apps on SD is wrong, wrong, wrong Mar 13 01:07:00 i feel like an sd should be like a storage hdd drive to a ssd boot drive Mar 13 01:07:12 * bhuey wishes he had a USB SSD device Mar 13 01:07:20 it was a major problem I had in my windows mobile time... that led me to have a SD that was always inside the device and never be exchanged. Mar 13 01:09:24 like building skyscrapers on a hill during a mudslide Mar 13 01:10:33 This memory card is unrecognized and needs to be formatted. Mar 13 01:10:52 cool Mar 13 01:10:53 aw Mar 13 01:10:54 awesome Mar 13 01:10:58 I love it when things work so well Mar 13 01:12:42 how much of that is related to the file system that's one it or is it just giving out ? Mar 13 01:12:49 s/one/on/ Mar 13 01:12:50 bhuey meant: how much of that is related to the file system that's on it or is it just giving out ? Mar 13 01:25:13 osx disk utility saves the day! Mar 13 01:25:17 * torchie dance in circles Mar 13 01:25:26 through the power of magic, microsd suddenly works Mar 13 02:14:39 bleh... anyone else got an unlocked Pre 2 (US) and gotten the 2.1 update? I still haven't gotten it Mar 13 02:16:45 you mean OTA? Mar 13 02:16:51 yeah Mar 13 02:17:08 I have a somewhat broken /var/file-cache now and hoping to just update and it'll magically fix :/ Mar 13 02:17:13 Not to mention all the bugfixes Mar 13 02:19:09 Is it still some kinda splayed update or am I missing something? Mar 13 02:20:05 which carrier AT*T? Mar 13 02:20:17 nah.. US Pre, imported to AU :) Mar 13 02:20:56 tried over wifi and 3G Mar 13 02:23:43 oh, not a WR? Mar 13 02:23:52 you need one of the WR style Mar 13 02:24:18 I thought ROW was WR? This was bought straight from HP Mar 13 02:25:12 I"m OTL...ignore me... Mar 13 02:25:17 back to teh servers. Mar 13 02:25:39 lol OTL? You're hurting my acronym brain Mar 13 02:26:25 OTL = Out To Lunch Mar 13 02:26:34 ah. Mar 13 02:26:38 basically means he is mentally lost because he is working on 10 things at the same time Mar 13 02:26:40 So mine is world ready no? Mar 13 02:27:05 I believe so, but I have no personal experience with WR phones or ROW phones Mar 13 02:27:24 other than the fact that my Pre2 started as one, but it was turned into a franken-pre very shortly after Mar 13 02:27:29 and it never had a sim in it before that Mar 13 02:27:59 yeah... annoying that the OTA doesn't just happen -- having huge issues now with synching IMAP and EAS mail etc Mar 13 02:28:13 The little guy is not happy that I torched some of /var/file-cache Mar 13 02:31:37 Interestingly, the URL it tries to hit 404's" Mar 13 02:31:41 https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/swupdate/sustats Mar 13 02:31:53 What happens when you try that? Mar 13 02:33:25 anything wronmg w the app catalog? Mar 13 02:33:44 cause i can't buy apps Mar 13 02:34:19 they like to break things on weekend nights Mar 13 02:34:24 oh wait I think it works now that I'm on wifi. Call off the riot Mar 13 02:35:08 This worries me too: 2011-03-13T02:32:17.461883Z [3292] roadrunner user.warning activitymanager[1467]: [activitymanager.lunabus] No valid names found for service "/var/run/ls2/l67MeC" while processing service connect update Mar 13 02:35:29 Loudergood: nah... its been doing that for ... well since the update was announced, for me... Mar 13 02:35:46 so, FrankenPre2 randomly luna restarts Mar 13 02:35:49 roadrunner user.err UpdateDaemon: Unable to read update build from Mar 13 02:36:49 rwhitby-flying: be safe! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 13 02:59:57 2011