**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 16 02:59:57 2011 Mar 16 02:59:58 it worked last time :) Mar 16 03:00:36 on the PC it worked... on the Pre2.... not so much lol Mar 16 03:03:01 omg webos internals, fix your wiki for webos devices! Mar 16 03:03:22 ~blame oil Mar 16 03:03:23 * infobot blames oil (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Mar 16 03:03:41 oh now im lumped with canada? Mar 16 03:04:14 lol! Mar 16 03:04:36 lol Mar 16 03:04:40 that's awesome Mar 16 03:04:43 :) Mar 16 03:04:49 don't abuse it... Mar 16 03:04:54 :/ Mar 16 03:04:54 a little goes a LONG ways. Mar 16 03:06:32 * rwhitby refrains from refering to an utterance from a female Mar 16 03:11:28 hm? Mar 16 03:12:00 is it "I'm calling the cops!" Mar 16 03:13:42 RMind, why don't u just turn airplane on and off to update the time? Mar 16 03:16:09 nah... I think rwhitby is referring to "get out of my closet you pervert!" Mar 16 03:17:23 anyone working of FB Chat for 2.x? Mar 16 03:25:04 is it possible to change exhibition's time background? Mar 16 03:25:11 via a patch or something? Mar 16 03:31:44 kostka, the phone had the right time it just didn't display it Mar 16 03:32:04 cleanup time, bbl Mar 16 03:40:40 ~~~~ Mar 16 03:40:41 ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal-pre!!! Mar 16 03:56:19 rwhitby, about linphone alpha tester I asked yesterday Mar 16 03:56:35 what device and sip provider? Mar 16 03:56:41 I forgot to mention that I also have another o2 pre minus which still 1.4.5 Mar 16 03:56:52 same url Mar 16 03:57:03 o2 pre minus and sip provider is callcentric Mar 16 03:57:26 2 o2 pre minus, one with 2.1.0 and another one is 1.4.5 Mar 16 04:00:04 kostka: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Mar 16 04:00:56 I will, and add wiki as well.. thanks rwhitby :) Mar 16 04:45:48 oh crap i'm still here again.. ;^) Mar 16 04:46:08 well, it's been a couple days so.. time to doctor! ;^) Mar 16 04:54:05 rmind: I have only once or twice had time problems, and iirc a luna restart fixed 'r up.. Mar 16 04:58:34 * ajay_ not sure if i'm here or not.. Mar 16 04:59:06 ajay_, you are there...because you aren't here (at least I don't see you) Mar 16 05:01:49 oh i thought i wasn't in the chat, but looks like it was just a case of nobody saying anything for a _while_ :) Mar 16 05:03:31 Oh weird.. I redoctored, and even though I activated INCREASE_VAR_SIZE this time, /media/internal wasn't touched.. I wonder why it was touched on my 2.1->1.4.5 doctor, but never on any other doctor..it was a strange doctor that got built, maybe that's why.. Mar 16 05:10:38 alright gonna get closer to wifi to see if this signin/activation works better.. ta! Mar 16 05:22:04 short wiki outage for updates Mar 16 05:47:01 ka6sox-home: ping Mar 16 05:47:09 hi Tyler Mar 16 05:47:31 :) Mar 16 05:47:46 wazzup...long time no see. Mar 16 05:48:48 hacking away... Mar 16 05:59:54 wiki update complete Mar 16 07:27:53 anyone awake who could send me a direct link to wIRC? Need a hybrid app for testing Mar 16 07:29:25 Adora, i think this is the newest version http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.wirc_0.3.5_armv7.ipk Mar 16 07:29:54 Adora: yeah, thats it Mar 16 07:30:12 Jack87: I'm sure that will work. Thanks! Mar 16 07:30:23 it's adora! Mar 16 07:30:29 swisstomcat: OMG LIES Mar 16 07:30:37 catrub! Mar 16 07:31:11 * swisstomcat has good nose .. can't be fooled Mar 16 07:31:48 * Jack87 must investigate whats happening with the wiki... thought it should be back up by now Mar 16 07:49:16 wiki is back to life FYI Mar 16 08:15:48 good morning Mar 16 08:28:24 morning Mar 16 08:28:51 just pushed a new version of wirc, let me know if anyone still runs into: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/92 Mar 16 08:29:10 the "cant relaunch need to kill with jstop" bug Mar 16 08:29:35 allright, will test Mar 16 08:37:40 never ran into that Mar 16 08:40:25 its pretty random Mar 16 10:15:46 Hi, Is there an Alt key available in xterm? Mar 16 12:26:34 hi Mar 16 13:10:35 hey guys, how do I get a | (pipe char) in terminus or xterm? Mar 16 14:04:37 Hi everyone Mar 16 14:04:45 yo Mar 16 14:05:10 Just to remind you: The /var/palm/jail files are in reality links to the real files... Mar 16 14:05:34 so, if you do a rm -rf /var/palm/jail/org.webosinternals.wirc , you're in reality erasing your filesystem ;) Mar 16 14:05:39 I forgot it.. hehehe Mar 16 14:06:00 whoops Mar 16 14:07:40 yeah, I was wondering... "why the hell is taking so much time..."... after that I canceled the rm, but I've already erased many files ("ls" for example)... I had to doctor... and no updated save/restore for me so I lost a couple of angry birds weeks :) Mar 16 14:07:50 morning Mar 16 14:08:06 Morning, how's that Pre2 going? :) Mar 16 14:08:32 can we distribute patches to Exhibition? I know I already asked this, but wirc closed when I updated it... Mar 16 14:08:36 and awesome!!! Mar 16 14:08:41 I love it :D Mar 16 14:09:52 mmm... I think you have to talk to Chuq to whitelist your app for exhibition (and 2.x stuff in general) Mar 16 14:10:45 chuq is on vacation this week Mar 16 14:10:46 I'm talking about *patching* exhibition :p Mar 16 14:10:53 not whitelisting :) Mar 16 14:11:07 aah... patching? what do you want to change? rotation support? Mar 16 14:11:16 yep lol Mar 16 14:11:23 hehehe Mar 16 14:11:56 I found out last night (because I can use my touchstone now :D) that they took it out :/ Mar 16 14:12:17 Dunno, I think it's ok since there are already lots of patches for 2.1 Mar 16 14:12:37 ok, well, I'm gonna patch it for me :p Mar 16 14:12:48 then find out if its ok to distribute it Mar 16 14:12:54 right :) Mar 16 14:13:38 who would I ask about that? Mar 16 14:13:42 Rod Mar 16 14:13:45 ok Mar 16 14:14:14 the stage-assistant has *no* code :p Mar 16 14:15:32 damn... tooooooo many things on my profile!! :D it will take a while to download... I'll better just pause everything and wait till I get home and download via wifi Mar 16 14:15:55 lol Mar 16 14:16:38 you put the code for setting that to "free" where? Mar 16 14:16:42 in the stage assistant? Mar 16 14:17:43 mmm... didn't that go in the app.json file? Mar 16 14:17:53 * NuttyBunny checks Mar 16 14:18:09 PatrickC_Pre2, all patches are OK. They are not distributing any code that is owned by HP/Palm so they are in the clear Mar 16 14:18:28 yay Mar 16 14:18:38 so if you can make a patch that will enable rotation support, and ti doesn't break things, feel free to submit it in the patch portal Mar 16 14:18:52 now I just have to find out where the info is that I need to change :p Mar 16 14:19:12 if we (as in WOSI) find out later that for some unknown reason they are not allowed (highly doubtful) then we will either reject and/or pull it from the feeds Mar 16 14:19:25 so basically, if you make it and submit it, we will handle the rest Mar 16 14:19:33 awesome Mar 16 14:19:36 thanks Mar 16 14:19:39 np ;) Mar 16 14:20:10 on that note... it is time for me to go home from work and sleep Mar 16 14:20:23 when I download the unified diff creator to my phone, and transfer to my PC, it tells me that it is a corrupt jarfile Mar 16 14:20:29 time for the 30 minute drive... then bed... maybe a movie in between Mar 16 14:20:35 lol Mar 16 14:20:37 have fun Mar 16 14:20:38 PatrickC_Pre2, why not just download it on the PC directly? Mar 16 14:20:40 nevermind, I don't remember or can find there the orientation goes.. hehehe Mar 16 14:20:50 no internet on the PC :'( Mar 16 14:20:57 PatrickC_Pre2, get FreeTether Mar 16 14:21:06 doesn't work with Sp2 Mar 16 14:21:16 s/Sp2/SP2/ Mar 16 14:21:16 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: doesn't work with SP2 Mar 16 14:21:19 SP2? Mar 16 14:21:30 Service Pack 2 for windows xp Mar 16 14:21:35 tether it over wifi Mar 16 14:21:42 no wifi Mar 16 14:21:46 freetether can tether over USB, WiFi or BlueTooth Mar 16 14:22:01 I have tried it over usb, doesn't work Mar 16 14:22:11 likely needs a tweak to the USB driver Mar 16 14:22:12 the usbnet drivers won't install Mar 16 14:22:18 probably Mar 16 14:22:25 when I wake up I will look into it... Mar 16 14:22:31 but, I'll just download it later to the other computer Mar 16 14:22:33 see if I can get a tweak for them that makes them work Mar 16 14:22:38 (it has internet) Mar 16 14:22:42 oka Mar 16 14:22:46 awesome! Mar 16 14:22:49 thanks Mar 16 14:22:51 or just make the diff file on a linux box, lol Mar 16 14:22:58 anyway, later all Mar 16 14:23:02 lol Mar 16 14:23:04 later Mar 16 14:23:13 PatrickC: /app/controllers/alarm-assistant.js -> stageController.setWindowOrientation('free'); (clock app in the sdk) Mar 16 14:23:38 thanks nuttybunny :) Mar 16 14:24:07 I'll check into it in a few, I'm doin school.. (I was on a brake..) Mar 16 14:42:25 bbl Mar 16 14:43:23 * halfhalo yawns goodmorning Mar 16 14:44:52 morning Mar 16 14:56:31 morning destinal-work Mar 16 14:56:49 PatrickC_Pre2: morning Mar 16 14:57:09 how's it goin? Mar 16 15:00:26 not bad. need some coffee :) Mar 16 15:01:41 lol Mar 16 15:01:54 I really like the form factor of the Pre2 :) Mar 16 15:02:08 how easy does the screen scratch with the gorilla glass? Mar 16 15:07:11 PatrickC_Pre, windows comes with usbnet drivers... they are different than the ones that you can download Mar 16 15:07:21 they are listed as some generic microsoft driver Mar 16 15:07:27 it still doesn't work... Mar 16 15:07:30 no scratches in the glass here so far Mar 16 15:07:34 or... somewhere in the forums there are drivers that you can download Mar 16 15:07:35 but its probably better that way lol Mar 16 15:07:57 friends don't let friends use windows :) Mar 16 15:08:01 because I would be wasting all my time on the internet :p Mar 16 15:08:07 haha Mar 16 15:09:55 cause you're not already with your pre? :-P Mar 16 15:10:35 lol Mar 16 15:10:44 but I can't do as much with the pre Mar 16 15:27:30 I'll ask again since I got absolutely no response last time: Mar 16 15:27:57 Does anybody know how to write a | (pipe char) in Terminus and/or Xterm ? Mar 16 15:28:05 (on a WebOS device, obviously) Mar 16 15:31:33 no clue about xterm, but for terminus can you use the sym button to pull up the symbols list? Mar 16 15:31:58 is there anybody who can explain why apps are ocuntry bound ?? Mar 16 15:33:46 bbl Mar 16 15:34:21 simpsonCH: i saw something about that today .. design decisions way back Mar 16 15:34:44 hi swisstomcat , ex OS/2er ;) Mar 16 15:34:51 hmm? Mar 16 15:35:01 swisstomcat, okay, I can't buy anything now, that sucks Mar 16 15:35:03 do i know you? :) Mar 16 15:35:22 swisstomcat, yeah, I'm on the netlabs group from A.Gschwend Mar 16 15:35:30 cool Mar 16 15:35:37 so you got a palm phone? Mar 16 15:35:55 yup, imported O2, and it even seems I got a Pre2 for the project I'm doing Mar 16 15:36:01 nice Mar 16 15:36:17 two possibilities: 1) activate the device in germany Mar 16 15:36:20 my GF wants new levels for angry birds ! but I can't buy them Mar 16 15:36:24 2) activate the device in the US Mar 16 15:36:42 with the respective SIM I presume ? Mar 16 15:36:46 but for both you need an german or US credit card Mar 16 15:36:51 yeah Mar 16 15:36:54 ah yeah, that sucks Mar 16 15:36:58 FAIL :) Mar 16 15:36:58 yeah Mar 16 15:37:01 oh yes Mar 16 15:37:10 swisstomcat, you did the tutsplus sample app ?? Mar 16 15:37:14 i assume this will change in june Mar 16 15:37:23 yeah, that's mine .. why? Mar 16 15:37:42 i guess the wifi touchpad shouldn't have any paid apps restrictions Mar 16 15:37:55 recently did it, and I liked it, learned quiet a bit Mar 16 15:38:03 cool Mar 16 15:38:06 happy to hear that :) Mar 16 15:38:15 hmm... so launching xterm just opens it in the X card I already had Mar 16 15:38:27 working on a pre2 now? Mar 16 15:38:39 swisstomcat, not yet, pre+ but a O2 one so 2.1 Mar 16 15:38:40 need to do another swiss webos hackday Mar 16 15:38:52 swisstomcat, I am in swiss now ;) Mar 16 15:39:02 well then Mar 16 15:39:06 bern? Mar 16 15:39:59 non in the mountains Valais Mar 16 15:40:22 a bit far away :) Mar 16 15:40:27 from the city Mar 16 15:40:58 yup ;) Mar 16 15:41:09 but I spend quiet some time in Biel though Mar 16 15:41:18 so when ever you do a hackday I might show up Mar 16 15:41:24 allright Mar 16 15:41:31 i might do another one at some point Mar 16 15:43:01 if I have a external JS lib which uses XHR will that work directly ? Mar 16 15:44:08 I think it should... Mar 16 15:45:17 swisstomcat: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/48046308019290112 Mar 16 16:23:27 PatrickC_Pre: I posted a review of Poster (webOS wordpress client) and I used Poster to do it Mar 16 16:23:40 awesome! Mar 16 16:23:45 but I couldn't get it to not date the post Feb. 4 (when I made the article) Mar 16 16:23:46 going to read it now Mar 16 16:23:54 so you should give it a bump from admin page if you can and fix the date Mar 16 16:23:58 to last night or something Mar 16 16:24:10 ok Mar 16 16:24:21 I'll fix it later tonight probably Mar 16 16:26:21 I would let the developer of Poster know of your review Mar 16 16:27:56 wgreenhouse, did you put that add in there? Mar 16 16:28:02 uh no Mar 16 16:28:56 ok Mar 16 16:28:59 didn't think so Mar 16 16:29:05 wordpress must have done it Mar 16 16:31:32 wgreenhouse: just finished reading the article, nice job :) Mar 16 16:32:44 thanks. I've been living with poster for a while, and I do use it on WP blogs where I have accounts Mar 16 16:32:49 needs a better editor though Mar 16 16:32:54 I'll review ClassicNote next Mar 16 16:33:02 which has more or less the editor Poster should've had :-P Mar 16 16:33:09 did you add the pics via poster? Mar 16 16:33:12 yep Mar 16 16:33:15 did everything from it Mar 16 16:33:28 wow Mar 16 16:33:33 seems like a nice app Mar 16 16:33:58 yeah, it's good enough that it is annoying the things that go wrong when editing Mar 16 16:34:07 if that makes sense Mar 16 16:34:27 but definitely worth the 2 bux Mar 16 16:35:12 fixed post date :) Mar 16 16:35:12 it would be great for something like live-blogging from some event where you didn't have your pc with you Mar 16 16:35:16 on my Pre2 :) Mar 16 16:35:16 thanks much Mar 16 16:35:19 awesome Mar 16 16:35:22 take a look Mar 16 16:35:47 you should join the Universe Beta Program if your not in it Mar 16 16:35:48 cool thanks Mar 16 16:36:17 we (AAR) are going to be doing a review on it, but it'll probably just be me doing the review :p Mar 16 16:36:42 it'd be really great for the browser to get some updates Mar 16 16:36:47 lets talk over PM so as to not go too off topic Mar 16 16:36:52 so yeah, I'll try to join the beta prog Mar 16 16:45:47 dinner with rwhitby? Mar 16 16:45:58 yep Mar 16 16:46:38 fun Mar 16 16:49:17 RagingMind, its only a 5hr flight. Mar 16 16:49:31 bah Mar 16 16:49:32 is the app catalog down? Mar 16 16:50:09 nm, working again Mar 16 16:51:45 ka6sox-home, for who? Mar 16 16:52:17 RagingMind, you. Mar 16 16:52:39 its a 5hr DRIVE for me. Mar 16 16:52:40 Um... I may be in Michigan, but I don't think you realize *where* in MI I am Mar 16 16:52:51 oh Mar 16 16:52:54 I'm about 10 hours northwest of detroit Mar 16 16:52:57 upper penninsula? Mar 16 16:53:00 Yup Mar 16 16:53:05 ah Mar 16 16:53:08 * halfhalo would cheat and just fly up Mar 16 16:53:13 heh Mar 16 16:53:14 there is an airport here, but it only goes to chicago Mar 16 16:54:12 I did just check how much it would cost... for 9 hours of travel time to get there and $1248 for the ticket I could show up Mar 16 16:55:44 160 for me to fly Mar 16 16:55:48 RagingMind: 9 hours flying is nothing. Mar 16 16:56:14 but yeah, if you're picking up the cost of the ticket it's a bit pricey for dinner ;) Mar 16 16:56:41 which I guess is still less than gas for me Mar 16 16:56:55 does the Pre2 have the same camera as the Pre+? Mar 16 16:56:56 there'd be a layover in Chicago and Salt Lake... and I think if I ever set foot in Utah I'd burst into flames Mar 16 16:57:23 haha Mar 16 17:00:07 bbl Mar 16 17:00:10 school time Mar 16 17:47:52 Hi again everyone Mar 16 17:53:53 hey NuttyBunny Mar 16 17:54:15 hey oil Mar 16 17:54:36 I couldn't debug more, sorry... I forgot that the jail files are the "real" files... Mar 16 17:54:55 before rebooting and unmounting the jail files I began deleting them Mar 16 17:55:08 it was too late when I saw it was taking much time... Mar 16 17:55:15 ls <--- file not found Mar 16 17:55:18 hahahahaha Mar 16 17:55:18 jail files? Mar 16 17:55:27 yep, /var/palm/jail Mar 16 17:55:37 for the pdk/hybrid apps Mar 16 17:56:08 I was trying to see if wIRC worked with the 0.3.6 version, which, by the way, didn't work :S Mar 16 17:56:27 idk whats going on your device Mar 16 17:56:30 so I was trying to delete every trace of wirc :) Mar 16 17:56:40 something else unrelated to wirc is causing you problems i suspect Mar 16 17:56:45 nah, don't worry anymore, the doctor fixed it :) Mar 16 17:57:35 too bad I couldn't see what was the problem in the end :( Mar 16 18:11:50 oil: .36 looks good so far Mar 16 18:11:59 thats good Mar 16 18:12:05 * oil wants that not-closing thing to go away Mar 16 18:13:04 * haeffb-pre2 wants that not connecting thing to go away Mar 16 18:13:43 not connecting? Mar 16 18:13:54 I have the not connecting first time issue, but that's only mildly annoying Mar 16 18:14:30 this is hilarious: http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/stories-of-warning-for-hp-palm/ Mar 16 18:14:33 oil: start wIRC, doesn't connect. hit connect and it connects fine. Mar 16 18:14:34 sometimes it takes two or three attempts for me Mar 16 18:15:04 oh, you've got auto connect or something turned on Mar 16 18:15:33 so my question: is there a way to hack a 'mass storage driver' onto the Pre? Touchpad is too far off/NDA Mar 16 18:15:38 "mildly annoying" annoyances are the worst. Mar 16 18:16:11 not annoying enough to want to do anything about it, so they annoy you perpetually Mar 16 18:16:35 yes, auto connect Mar 16 18:16:36 djwhitey: it's already there :p Mar 16 18:16:40 so its an autoconnect thing? Mar 16 18:16:53 djwhitey: uberkernel and most of the other homebrew kernels already have the fixes in Mar 16 18:16:55 SineOt: then what's the author of that article griping about? Mar 16 18:17:14 oh, not being in the stock kernel? Mar 16 18:17:15 that unless you're installing uberkernel from Preware, you're boned Mar 16 18:17:23 it's not in the stock device kernels Mar 16 18:17:40 why would they do that? lol Mar 16 18:18:07 seems like they took other good parts from the kernel development here (compcache, etc) Mar 16 18:18:14 the same reason the build of webkit that ships in 2.1 is pulled from October 2009 Mar 16 18:18:27 there's a lot of old cruft floating around in webOS :p Mar 16 18:18:43 compcache was taken as like, a requirement Mar 16 18:19:38 rwhitby-pre: haeffb-pre2 well i assume that problem is plugin related Mar 16 18:19:39 because the Pre- would have been a nightmare without it Mar 16 18:19:48 because if the gui is up enough to tell it to try to connect, why wouldnt it Mar 16 18:23:44 or, the gui is asking too soon Mar 16 18:23:53 and it fails because its not yet ready for it to have been connected Mar 16 18:39:50 yikes! system updates says an update is available for frankenPre2.1 Mar 16 18:40:04 :o Mar 16 18:40:07 I wonder what it is Mar 16 18:41:09 haeffb, mine did it also Mar 16 18:41:17 haven't looked into it yet Mar 16 18:41:24 2.1 Mar 16 18:41:34 which I already have Mar 16 18:42:30 could it be a point update? Mar 16 18:42:50 lord knows there's a ton of missing functionality in the 2.1 they shipped to O2 :p Mar 16 18:43:21 * SineOt mourns the loss of Exhibition device orientation support and being able to change the wall paper that the time app uses ;_; Mar 16 18:44:41 a 3rd-party app with exhibtion would luna restart my Pre as soon as exhibition mode started Mar 16 18:44:52 had to delete the app Mar 16 18:45:04 college basketball live Mar 16 18:45:19 Yeah, there's apparently a ton of weird exhibition issues right now Mar 16 18:47:12 Like the app catalog portal stripping out dockMode: true apparently... Since I -know- that the 1.5 Facebook beta had support for it, but then something changed on their end and it just went POOF Mar 16 18:48:36 and whatever version of facebook was on the Veer was pretty awesome in Exhibition Mar 16 19:36:14 morning all Mar 16 19:37:10 does JayCanuck's FileMgr rescan applications when you run the rescanFileindexer command? Mar 16 19:39:24 mgschu, how would we know? Mar 16 19:39:40 personal experience perhaps Mar 16 19:39:41 ka6sox-home: you're webOS internals, you're supposed to know everything :U Mar 16 19:39:52 ka6sox-home: like where my car keys have disappeared to :U Mar 16 19:40:30 SineOt, thats a closed source application that we don't work on...so other than "personal" experience I guess not...but wosi itself wouldnt just "KNOW" Mar 16 19:41:30 SineOt, your keys are...(does his best Carmac imitation) LOST. Mar 16 19:41:56 ka6sox-home: I wasn't being serious :U Mar 16 19:44:15 anyway, would people here find an on-device version of ipk-fetcher useful? Mar 16 19:44:45 * halfhalo dunnos what that does Mar 16 19:45:40 for geo-filtered apps, you download a dummy ipk with the same appid, install it, and update to an actual version Mar 16 19:50:43 It's very useful for those of us located outside "official" countries without properly activated devices. Mar 16 19:51:26 mgschu: I was just thinking that an ondevice version would be cool especially if you can just browse the catalog feed like preware Mar 16 19:51:44 I don't need it since I'm in the US, but it's a cool idea Mar 16 19:53:05 I'm not sure on how to integrate the feeds yet, but so far I've got it to make the dummy application on the phone. I can rescan using luna-send, but that breaks notifications. Mar 16 19:53:16 SineOt: any point in still doing a frankendoctor after all then? just patch the pre2 doctor to work on pre? Mar 16 19:54:11 mgschu: I'd use the installNoVerify function of the appinstaller service Mar 16 19:54:13 destinal-work: huh? Mar 16 19:54:50 destinal-work: is this about the Exhibition oddities I was mentioning earlier? Mar 16 19:55:10 SineOt: yeah you said there were several things that don't work in 2.1 pre+ Mar 16 19:55:14 doctor Mar 16 19:55:26 it was mostly Exhibition stuff Mar 16 19:55:35 stuff that I don't know if it functions on a proper Pre2 Mar 16 19:56:14 destinal-work: That's my second route, but requires writing a custom service to a)package the app and b)install it. With FileMgr I can write the appinfo.json and copy the files to /applications/, but I have issues getting it to be recognised in software manager without rescanning and breaking notifications Mar 16 19:56:51 mgschu: rescan breaks notifications? I didn't know that Mar 16 19:58:04 it may not anymore, but it certainly used to (haven't checked since 2.0 upgrade, maybe it's time to call myself) Mar 16 20:00:11 mgschu: FileMgr service breaks the whole security model of webos, right? (assuming everything / anything can call it) Mar 16 20:00:33 yes, it passes commands to run as root Mar 16 20:00:41 ew Mar 16 20:00:55 I'm not expecting this to get into the catalog... Mar 16 20:01:08 * SineOt creates a "webOS virus" that replaces the boot flashing logo with Pinkie Pie from My Little Pony... :I Mar 16 20:01:39 mgschu: heh, it's just that even for homebrew, we (webos-internals) have tried to be more careful than that Mar 16 20:02:16 actually, JC got Internalz in the catalog Mar 16 20:02:39 the catalog Internalz is to put it lightly, heavily neutered Mar 16 20:03:08 I guess it's still running as root, but is jailed in some way. Mar 16 20:03:11 http://dvice.com/archives/2010/11/meet-the-my-lit.php << just plain WRONG. Mar 16 20:03:41 ka6sox-home: lol Mar 16 20:04:08 :D Mar 16 20:04:24 ahaha, that thing is awesome Mar 16 20:04:28 too bad it's a gen 3 pony :T Mar 16 20:04:33 gen 4 are totally better looking Mar 16 20:04:35 I don't need to touch outside of /media/cryptofs/ so it may get away with using his app-cat v of FileMgr. Also, WANT. Mar 16 20:06:14 I should do some investigatoin into the security of internalz for appcat. do you think a lot of people use it? Mar 16 20:07:17 destinal-work, all apps need security reviews...ones that have broad reach even moreso. Mar 16 20:07:56 ka6sox-home: heh, yeah. since my time is sub-infinite, prioritization.. :) Mar 16 20:08:35 destinal-work: I imagine most people would like a file manager on their phone, unless they're an Apple fan, in which case why would you want to look at the files when you can use iTunes? Mar 16 20:09:15 mgschu: terminal was one of my favorite apps back in my iphone days Mar 16 20:09:37 but then users of jailbroken iphones are not the same as your typical iphone users Mar 16 20:09:46 destinal-work: you are one of the enlightened few Mar 16 20:11:59 don't you just go to the itunes store and "buy" it everytime you need it? Mar 16 20:12:04 biab Mar 16 20:12:12 ka6sox-home: lol Mar 16 20:48:48 appinfo.json is horrendous to write in escape Mar 16 20:58:30 anyone done any patching to the email compose scene? Mar 16 20:58:57 (in 2.x) Mar 16 21:18:16 hello Mar 16 21:21:56 i've got 2.1 on my pre-, and i am occasionally seeing load averages around 12 8 6 - that is WAY too high - what the heck could be going on? this is usuaslly while i have dr podder open but not running, the precentral app, and maybe a web browser or 2, plus govnah. memory isnt reported as terribly reduculous, usually 235/75 or so, which is about the norm for my device. Mar 16 21:22:17 what on earth could my device be doing that would give it such an outrageous load? Mar 16 21:22:33 try using jstop to find out Mar 16 21:23:21 how does that report CPU usage? Mar 16 21:24:44 im thinking i might want to ssh in and run top, but i guess i dont know if most of what i'd see would be inside a luna process or something Mar 16 21:25:09 you could, or just use xterm Mar 16 21:25:39 well running xorg on my device while its in that state might take a while Mar 16 21:25:52 true.. Mar 16 21:26:31 actually doing anything does. i often resort to just pulling the battery because the power button doesnt even respond well Mar 16 21:27:06 other than when this happens, the phone runs well. Mar 16 21:27:29 running at 1ghz with the uberkernel Mar 16 22:14:34 benklop: chec kthe log files? Mar 16 22:51:20 Is there flash built into the SFR pre+ 2.1.0 doctor? Mar 16 23:02:42 don't think so Mar 16 23:09:27 If it were in there flash *could* be built into the meta-doctor script, correct? Mar 16 23:10:46 Well, you could build it in right now. All the files you need are in the Pre2 doctors. Mar 16 23:48:08 update on ipk fetcher - applicationManager rescan doesn't work in webOS 2.1.0 for updating apps in the swmanager Mar 16 23:48:26 any ideas for repopulating it? Mar 16 23:50:03 mgschu: I just did it the other day on 2.1 on my stepdad's pre and it worked.. Mar 16 23:50:17 Hey, I'm taking some advice from the linphone thread and trying to make myself known Mar 16 23:50:28 Does anyone want to help me alpha test the linphone port? Mar 16 23:50:29 it repopulates the launcher just fine, but not swmanager Mar 16 23:50:35 mgschu: ohhh Mar 16 23:50:40 puuj: I will Mar 16 23:51:01 puuj: I already am/was, but I lost the link twice and felt bad asking rod again Mar 16 23:52:21 mgschu: so, what I would do is make a service that makes the ipk and then installNoVerify Mar 16 23:53:00 so, my FrankenPre2 downloaded and installed webOS 2.1.0 today OTA Mar 16 23:53:19 yay Mar 16 23:53:32 oil_pre: got it working Mar 16 23:53:33 and enabled Voice Dial which hadn't been working. And added a SIM Toolkit app Mar 16 23:53:33 :o Mar 16 23:53:51 stacking? Mar 16 23:53:56 which will probably be useless Mar 16 23:53:56 yeah Mar 16 23:54:04 so you queue stage creation? Mar 16 23:54:07 haeffb: verizon or sprint? Mar 16 23:54:09 I cheated a little though Mar 16 23:54:12 sprint Mar 16 23:54:21 destinal-work: Yeah, never made a service before. I'll give it a shot but it's quite likely I'll borrow too much from JayCanuck Mar 16 23:54:30 haeffb: and exhibition Mar 16 23:54:44 wait... dammit... stupidness Mar 16 23:55:08 halfhalo, what r u working on and how did you cheat? Mar 16 23:55:36 getting autojoin channels in wirc to stack Mar 16 23:55:48 in 2.x Mar 16 23:55:53 shiny :D Mar 16 23:56:03 It works 99% of the time now, but not the way I want it to Mar 16 23:56:13 lol Mar 16 23:56:14 so I'm still fidgeting with it Mar 16 23:56:32 halfhalo, next feature to add should be easy, chanel admin stuff :D Mar 16 23:56:34 * oil_pre waits for patch he can look at Mar 16 23:57:41 scoutcamper: what kind of channel admin stuff? Mar 16 23:58:20 change topic (/msg chanserv topic #insertchanel-here topic blah blah blah) Mar 16 23:58:35 op or voice others Mar 16 23:58:41 click on user, select op Mar 16 23:58:49 you have used wirc before, right? Mar 16 23:58:56 yes Mar 16 23:59:00 i use it daily Mar 16 23:59:04 (i say that because oping/deoping users etc is there) Mar 16 23:59:17 really? Mar 16 23:59:21 * scoutcamper goes to check Mar 16 23:59:21 click the little man icon in the top right of the channel to get to the user list Mar 16 23:59:32 tap the users name Mar 16 23:59:46 oil: I already had exhibition and a non-working voice dial Mar 16 23:59:58 (granted, probably not every option you're talking about, but it has some) Mar 16 23:59:59 because I frankenPre'd to 2.1 originally Mar 17 00:00:05 ah Mar 17 00:00:07 oil, well ill be Mar 17 00:00:09 ok Mar 17 00:00:26 think Imma take a plane to Wash St to watch Oil frankpre my Pre- Mar 17 00:00:29 scoutcamper: and with the alias features, feel free to alias some of that stuff to easier commands Mar 17 00:00:30 =\ Mar 17 00:00:41 so I was surprised (and a little uneasy) that it wanted to install 2.1... Mar 17 00:00:47 but looks like all is well Mar 17 00:01:11 lol Mar 17 00:02:39 wirc spawns the dang cards to fast Mar 17 00:02:56 im tellin ya halfhalo the ONLY way is to queue them Mar 17 00:02:59 and that is just ugly Mar 17 00:03:05 they are Mar 17 00:03:10 that part is done Mar 17 00:03:21 palm will fix and let us decide how to stack, i have faith :) Mar 17 00:03:52 right now i can space out the spawning using settimeout and it works, but I don't want to have it hard coded at, say, half a second between card spawns Mar 17 00:04:21 ew Mar 17 00:04:22 yeah Mar 17 00:04:40 you gotta like trigger it from the activate of the card just launched Mar 17 00:04:51 I tried that Mar 17 00:05:14 I hooked into the activate method of the last cards first scene, still to fast Mar 17 00:07:56 realistically setting it to 250ms per card would be low enough that no-one would/notice or care, but bleh Mar 17 00:08:41 it's bleh, but it works Mar 17 00:09:52 oh... how interesting... Mar 17 00:14:17 * oil_pre really needs to move the 'help' toggles to wirc's many forms Mar 17 00:15:06 lol Mar 17 00:15:33 like, I don't even remember what some of the options do Mar 17 00:16:58 oil_pre, i said put comments in code :D Mar 17 00:17:10 meh Mar 17 00:17:13 lol Mar 17 00:17:23 no, YOUR a towel Mar 17 00:18:04 itl be like the help toggles in govnah and preware Mar 17 00:18:50 yeah, this is the only way this can be done ATM Mar 17 00:25:05 * halfhalo is happy with how wirc operates now, although not so much with the code, but he is ok with that Mar 17 00:27:23 http://pastebin.com/4jCzQc4y Mar 17 00:41:19 So wait, a frankenpre2 will not have an evdo/1x data chip, no? Mar 17 00:41:32 or is that on the comm board? Mar 17 00:41:40 thats on ze comms board of doom Mar 17 00:42:25 halfhalo: hm.. well my sd8xxx module is loaded.. and my wifi is working, but there's no ppp0 in ifconfig -l :/ Mar 17 00:42:36 er, ifconfig -a Mar 17 01:08:54 * halfhalo goes to make more wirc changes Mar 17 01:09:42 lol Mar 17 01:10:04 u making patches to go with these changes haeffb ? Mar 17 01:10:06 halfhalo, ? Mar 17 01:10:32 http://pastebin.com/4jCzQc4y is a patch Mar 17 01:11:58 no, YOUR a patch! Mar 17 01:12:17 suck my diff Mar 17 01:12:36 oil: autoconnect didn't connect Mar 17 01:12:48 Am I going to have to seperate you to? Mar 17 01:15:22 is this a new version? the only way I get wirc to autoconnect it to put a join command in the list of commands to run automatically Mar 17 01:15:32 *to autojoin Mar 17 01:15:48 that is how u do it Mar 17 01:16:21 * PuffTheMagic imagines boy 2 men soundtrack in background Mar 17 01:16:31 ah, well I've always had that work :) Mar 17 01:16:43 what's the favorite channels thing? just to have them list in the drop down? Mar 17 01:16:57 ya for now thats all its fore Mar 17 01:17:00 those can be used for bouncers to autojoin on start Mar 17 01:17:05 it also has to do with people that use proxys Mar 17 01:17:28 does "away" still lock things up? Mar 17 01:19:19 * halfhalo dunnos Mar 17 01:21:20 * halfhalo is getting pissed of at his desktop Mar 17 01:24:01 another random luna restart. sucks. Mar 17 01:29:51 what up Mar 17 01:29:56 whois PuffTheMagic Mar 17 01:30:01 wierd Mar 17 01:30:09 a dragon Mar 17 01:30:13 lol Mar 17 01:30:31 joeb_, whois requires a / infront of it Mar 17 01:30:43 scoutcamper- rotfl Mar 17 01:30:53 i know this Mar 17 01:30:59 my touchpad sucks on the laptop Mar 17 01:31:22 normally touchpads are a little lower then the keyboard but this one is right under the space key Mar 17 01:31:24 0_o Mar 17 01:43:57 joeb_, need something? Mar 17 01:57:44 I'm pining for a 4x4 launcher icons in 2.1.0. Is there anything available? Can't find any patches to that effect. Mar 17 01:57:59 nope Mar 17 02:13:14 dtzWill: you were the original one to port xterm correct? Mar 17 02:14:34 * zsoc , in his best dtzWill voice, "elpollodiablo: Yes, with help from others ^^" Mar 17 02:14:47 lies Mar 17 02:15:00 I was looking at the key binds for the pre and I wanted to update some of them for like arrow key. but I am not totally sure how to associate the gesture with a key. Mar 17 02:15:51 I noticed the for the orange button it is something like Mar 17 02:16:11 orange button + key is like * Mar 17 02:16:42 elpollodiablo: I only know SDL gesture key bindings Mar 17 02:16:46 but generally back is 'esc' :p Mar 17 02:17:14 yeah that is my knowledge as well Mar 17 02:18:01 but I was just trying to figure out how he got the value. Mar 17 02:18:36 not the ascii value but how he knew to assign it to Mar 17 02:18:48 what is OA02? Mar 17 02:18:50 0a02? Mar 17 02:19:22 yeah that is why question. in the keybind he has = 57; Mar 17 02:19:54 which means I am guessing Orange key, row 2, 4th button = 9 Mar 17 02:20:12 I think my head just sploded Mar 17 02:20:29 I incorrectly wrote that Mar 17 02:20:33 SPLOD Mar 17 02:22:03 O is orange key, C is row 3 (top of keyboard down), 04 is number of keys from the left and 57 is the ascii value for 9 which is the 4th key in the 3rd tow Mar 17 02:22:29 I just dont know how he knew to use O Mar 17 02:22:41 O or 0? Mar 17 02:22:42 if anyone know and would like to share please let me know. Mar 17 02:22:48 O Mar 17 02:22:58 not zero Mar 17 02:23:32 hm Mar 17 02:24:32 he has the orange key mapped as = 180 Mar 17 02:27:00 elpollodiablo: how i knew A02 was a combination of: within X special handling; also throw on some debug logging :) Mar 17 02:27:12 although tbh it's been a while and i might forget that exact value but that's how much of it went Mar 17 02:27:57 dtzWill: wait, A02 is a combination of :? Mar 17 02:28:10 I understand the the A02 part not really sure about the O prefix part. Mar 17 02:31:00 evening folks :) Mar 17 02:32:00 oil: what's new in the new wIRC? Mar 17 02:32:31 zsoc: A02 is a hex value representating the key press value of the orange key Mar 17 02:32:53 wait wait Mar 17 02:32:56 that's probably wrong. Mar 17 02:33:06 i'm sorry; i understood this back then, but completely forgot it by now. Mar 17 02:33:07 i'm sorry. Mar 17 02:33:25 hay dtzWill Mar 17 02:33:34 dtzWill: yes, you better be apologizing for making things work! bad will Mar 17 02:33:57 lol. well ashamed i cannot remember how it works well enough to explain, and that it's not documented. Mar 17 02:33:58 :( Mar 17 02:34:21 how what works? Mar 17 02:34:52 scoutcamper!! hi Mar 17 02:34:53 :) Mar 17 02:36:04 hello Mar 17 02:36:07 dtzWill: I think I might have found something in the symbols for palm-pre, it seems like you created those keys by adding key { [ 9 ] }; Mar 17 02:36:11 hi Mar 17 02:36:44 you also have all the other keys set up like that too. Mar 17 02:36:50 anybody here who has received a palm pre 2 dev phone yet? care to share any experiences with delivery etc please Mar 17 02:37:06 i would really like to test couple of apps but waiting for the hardware. it's frustrating. Mar 17 02:37:22 got mine in less then 5 days after recieveing the email. Mar 17 02:37:40 codngintellgnce: HP is super professional and generally pretty boss. I had a problem with my order where a card was declined and they never told me about it, so that was annoying, but once I got in contact with the right person he was super nice and fixed everything in a few days. Mar 17 02:37:40 that makes sense. ty for diving into this! sorry I don't have time to more actively help you :) Mar 17 02:38:06 i got my email like 14 days ago,yet not shipped yet! Mar 17 02:38:34 ok zsoc, so u suggesting i should contact someone and see how it goes? Mar 17 02:39:03 it is ok, I trying to help out here back in the day but I didnt have enough background in alot of these things, so I figured I would give it another shot now. and since the key bind thing seems fairly simple I figured it would be a good place to start. Mar 17 02:39:13 codngintellgnce: yep, harass them. because it's their B2B department, it's not set up to provide constant consumer communication like one would expect Mar 17 02:39:36 i see. makes sense. cheers zsoc. fingers crossed then! Mar 17 02:40:04 heard wirc new version in the feeds soon - any ideason the changelog guys? Mar 17 02:49:57 hi there! I'd like to help with linphone testing :) Mar 17 02:56:02 dtzWill: any specific reason why xlauncher and xserver have different keybindings? Mar 17 02:59:25 and before anyone gets frustrated I know how to file bug reports. (and how to fix bugs but that's another story) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 17 02:59:57 2011