**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 17 02:59:57 2011 Mar 17 03:04:27 elpollodiablo: they should not. Mar 17 03:04:36 elpollodiablo: if they do that's a mistake in some packaging done at some point. Mar 17 03:04:52 also the way the keybindings are loaded is so terribly hacky. Mar 17 03:05:06 really lots of this was a POC and needs to be either cleaned up or reworked Mar 17 03:05:18 ...proof-of-concept Mar 17 03:11:07 yeah i believe they suggested that new keybinds used rules instead of the way it was done. Mar 17 03:12:51 I will be digging into it more I am sure, one last questions for the night, did any keys work natively? I cant seem to find the keybind for TAB even thought it works correctly with Gesture+i. Mar 17 03:13:57 is there a facebook chat pluging for 2.1 ? Mar 17 03:14:20 2.1 on Sprint+ hardware is what it should have been Mar 17 03:17:53 * bhuey is still looking for a facebook/abber plugin for chat Mar 17 03:32:08 * oil thinks bhuey should make one :) Mar 17 03:41:05 oil, isn't that the rule? Mar 17 03:41:22 oil, did you see the patch for wirc? Mar 17 03:41:40 ka6sox-home: maybe? halfhalo: no? Mar 17 03:42:00 http://pastebin.com/4jCzQc4y Mar 17 03:42:17 why did you put it in connection manager? Mar 17 03:42:20 it implements the (ugg) 250ms timeout for 2.x.x only Mar 17 03:42:29 that makes no sense Mar 17 03:42:42 oil, I meant bhuey should make one. Mar 17 03:42:44 It needed to be somewhere that was not static, IE not in a model Mar 17 03:43:31 seems like line 31/32 in your patch would cause the channel card to not work? Mar 17 03:43:57 no, thats dealt with lower Mar 17 03:44:21 I'm passing it an object instead of a string so I can have a callback fired in the activate method Mar 17 03:45:39 wasn't it already an object? Mar 17 03:45:46 nope, just a string Mar 17 03:45:53 which was the name Mar 17 03:46:17 ircChannel.prototype.openStageCallback = function(controller) Mar 17 03:46:17 { Mar 17 03:46:18 controller.pushScene('channel-chat', this); Mar 17 03:46:35 :/ Mar 17 03:46:35 oil: what's new in the newest release of wirc? Mar 17 03:46:46 what it says is new in the changelog Mar 17 03:46:48 idk read the changelog Mar 17 03:46:53 it's there for a reason Mar 17 03:47:00 * oil doesnt update that for his health Mar 17 03:47:26 I checked the changelog.. didn't have a log for 0.3.7 Mar 17 03:47:31 at least Mar 17 03:47:35 I didn't see one Mar 17 03:47:39 then you werent looking at the right thing Mar 17 03:48:58 there is no changelog for 0.3.7 Mar 17 03:48:58 sigh Mar 17 03:49:01 I just checked Mar 17 03:49:05 only 0.3.5 Mar 17 03:49:26 then you dont have the testing feed Mar 17 03:50:19 oil: wth is this set to then? Because its is only setting this.channel=(passed in)this then Mar 17 03:50:31 I have 2 testing feeds enabled (changed the makefile in the metadoctor to include them) Mar 17 03:50:58 in the channel-chat assistant, the channel passed to it should be the channel object itself Mar 17 03:51:19 thats how it does like this.channel.newCommand() when you type something in Mar 17 03:51:29 or whatever that function is called Mar 17 03:52:21 hola Mar 17 03:52:45 weird... it says wIRC was updated on 12/10/10 for me Mar 17 03:52:49 hay joeb_ Mar 17 03:53:04 * oil brb Mar 17 03:53:09 for the newest version Mar 17 03:53:54 thats... interesting. But useless since almost all the data wold be thrown out anywho Mar 17 03:58:28 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875101037&cm_re=palm_pre_plus-_-75-101-037-_-Product Mar 17 03:58:29 pfft Mar 17 03:58:55 ww Mar 17 03:58:59 s/ww/wow/ Mar 17 03:59:00 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: wow Mar 17 03:59:51 its like people .. palm pre plus and -'s are not retial .. friggin sale it at $100 or less Mar 17 04:00:15 like $50 is a decent price Mar 17 04:05:57 heh Mar 17 04:06:05 PatrickC_Pre2- i just noticed your nick .. you got your pre2 ? Mar 17 04:06:59 yep Mar 17 04:07:11 yesterday, and totally unannounced.. Mar 17 04:07:11 PatrickC_Pre2- nice nice Mar 17 04:07:19 no email.. no call from UPS Mar 17 04:07:23 wow so a pixi / - pre2 Mar 17 04:07:24 no nothin ;) Mar 17 04:07:24 sheesh Mar 17 04:07:36 pixi, pre+, pre2 :) Mar 17 04:07:49 send me your pre+ i will pay pal you 0_o Mar 17 04:08:23 lol Mar 17 04:08:55 I still use the Pre+ a lot Mar 17 04:09:00 what carrier are you? Mar 17 04:09:04 ATT Mar 17 04:09:34 the pre+ is vzw Mar 17 04:09:34 i will keep looking at craigslist on friday and other sites and go to some 3rd party places .. if i can't get it i will go android i hate to say that .. i been without a phone for 2 weeks almost Mar 17 04:09:36 boo Mar 17 04:09:43 the pre2 is unlocked :) Mar 17 04:09:54 yea but its 500 something Mar 17 04:10:00 hehe Mar 17 04:10:12 I got it as a dev device Mar 17 04:10:18 you could too :) Mar 17 04:10:47 yea yea Mar 17 04:10:49 * SineOt facepalms Mar 17 04:10:58 evening sineot Mar 17 04:11:55 evening Mar 17 04:12:10 joeb_ its not *that* hard with Ares :p Mar 17 04:12:15 how's it goin? Mar 17 04:12:42 i work to much.. no time 0_o Mar 17 04:12:48 lol Mar 17 04:13:04 just make a simple soundboard app Mar 17 04:13:14 then request a dev device Mar 17 04:13:44 PatrickC_Pre2, please, just please, shut the fuck up already Mar 17 04:13:57 hahah Mar 17 04:14:07 what did I do :p Mar 17 04:14:22 you open your mouth and bullshit just comes pouring out Mar 17 04:14:32 rotfl .. Mar 17 04:14:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 sheesh Mar 17 04:14:39 * joeb_ just saw it roll out of his mouth Mar 17 04:14:46 PatrickC_Pre2- hes joking Mar 17 04:14:52 STOP THE BULLYING!! Mar 17 04:14:54 lol Mar 17 04:14:54 I know lol Mar 17 04:14:59 the program is taxed to the point that they're on the verge of canceling it Mar 17 04:14:59 don't make me get the Pres on you Mar 17 04:15:18 don't go telling people to make another shitty soundboard just to get a dev device so they can use it as their main phone Mar 17 04:15:18 sineot: where did you see that? Mar 17 04:15:27 no, I'm serious, joeb_ Mar 17 04:15:31 oh Mar 17 04:15:34 and I am working on apps that I need this device for Mar 17 04:15:44 apps that can't be fully tested with a Pixi Mar 17 04:15:47 SineOt- i don't know how to program and im not going to dont' worry about it :D Mar 17 04:15:49 that's great, but here you are saying "make a soundboard and request one" Mar 17 04:16:01 SineOt- he was joking .. he knows i can't program Mar 17 04:16:13 but if he makes a soundboard, he will see how easy it is to make an appa Mar 17 04:16:15 no, he wasn't, thats the issue Mar 17 04:16:20 nd will get better Mar 17 04:16:21 oh Mar 17 04:16:24 joeb_: he's dumb enough that he was more than likely entirely serious Mar 17 04:16:25 s/nd/and Mar 17 04:17:04 I'm trying to encourage him to start developing Mar 17 04:17:20 PatrickC_Pre2: and I know you're doing stuff that would require a Pre, but I also know you're doing fuckall that would require a 2.0 device to test it Mar 17 04:17:27 * joeb_ is watching American Idol .. don't hate Mar 17 04:18:26 sineot: even if I was working on stuff that required a 2.x device, I couldn't say Mar 17 04:19:23 that implies you had something to work on other than a half assed exhibition mode for a single station internet radio app where we had to walk you through how to work the damn thing Mar 17 04:19:24 but I'm trying to get him to *start* developing Mar 17 04:19:41 it isn't that Mar 17 04:19:49 PatrickC_Pre, tranquillo Mar 17 04:19:55 and that app would never have exhibition mode Mar 17 04:19:58 no use for it Mar 17 04:20:16 telling him to put more strain on an already strained program under the bullshit pretense of developing because he needs a device is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time Mar 17 04:20:41 http://www.audiasound.com/screenshots/ :D Mar 17 04:21:32 Change subject .. so anything new in interlaz ? Mar 17 04:21:39 * joeb_ misses his pre Mar 17 04:22:37 joeb_, the app or do you mean webos-internals? Mar 17 04:22:50 RagingMind- webos-interlas in general Mar 17 04:23:06 s/interlas/internals/ Mar 17 04:23:07 joeb_ meant: RagingMind- webos-internals in general Mar 17 04:23:18 O2 says the Veer might be landing in May, which is pretty awesome Mar 17 04:23:26 bit later than I think everyone expected but right on target Mar 17 04:23:35 then the TouchPad is supposed to follow in June Mar 17 04:23:39 hi, cryptk, every time I see your nick I think of a Tk app that crypto stuff Mar 17 04:23:47 and pre3 whenever eh SineOt Mar 17 04:23:53 I'd imagine the Pre3 would slot in there sometime around there too just to round out the trifecta Mar 17 04:24:06 RagingMind, which app? Mar 17 04:24:29 If the TouchPad can land in June with WebOS 3.0 on board and entirely based on Enyo, I'm sure the Pre3 based around Mojo and running 2.2 or whatever they said it would be on should be a piece of cake Mar 17 04:24:40 nothing specific, I'm just used to seeing [blah]-[shortened toolkit nap] as a name for stuff Mar 17 04:24:48 *name Mar 17 04:24:58 gah, I can't type right now Mar 17 04:25:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 can't wait for the TouchPad to come out Mar 17 04:25:15 better start saving now :) Mar 17 04:25:30 I can wait... because I can't afford it anyway :) Mar 17 04:25:38 lol Mar 17 04:25:48 that's why I'm saving now Mar 17 04:26:01 I can wait because there's a ton of options rolling into the market around the same time Mar 17 04:26:09 SineOt- like ? Mar 17 04:26:35 The 599 base Xoom Wifi puts at least a bit of pressure on the iPad 2, since the 799 Xoom 3G is a joke Mar 17 04:27:00 A few Galaxy Tab options are rolling out in that time frame as well, but will probably be priced to insanity (again) Mar 17 04:27:34 gah.. why can't android tabs compete in pricing? Mar 17 04:27:47 tmandry, nookcolor :) Mar 17 04:27:57 rotfl Mar 17 04:27:59 nook is a joke Mar 17 04:28:01 lol.. hacking required Mar 17 04:28:34 A Galaxy Tab off contract ran like 899 for a while, but I think if you can find them they're around 599 off contract now Mar 17 04:28:40 i went to ATT the other day and the nook and the ipad where right net to each other .. i saw ipad it was alive and i was like wow .. i saw the nook and it was like blah Mar 17 04:28:43 * oil waits for touchpad :) Mar 17 04:28:58 Nookcolor, even with hacking, still ends up with a better android tablet experience than most of the other stuff on the market Mar 17 04:29:03 which is really sad Mar 17 04:29:08 tmandry, nook color...I have 6 here. Mar 17 04:29:14 6 wow Mar 17 04:29:25 what he said ^^ Mar 17 04:29:40 I knew you were hacking them.. but where did you get 6 :p Mar 17 04:29:52 ka6sox-home- your 6 still can't do what ipad can do Mar 17 04:29:53 I put honeycomb on an SD card for my BF's nook color... he likes it but said if he could do it over he'd have gotten a netbook instead Mar 17 04:29:55 joeb_, doesnt own a nookcolor does he :) Mar 17 04:29:57 Probably at a Barnes and Noble :p Mar 17 04:29:59 lol Mar 17 04:30:03 nope Mar 17 04:30:44 joeb_, this is not the place or time for a holy war. Mar 17 04:30:51 :P Mar 17 04:30:54 SineOt: by "where" I really meant.. "how" and "why" :P Mar 17 04:31:12 "how," with money, "why," why not XD Mar 17 04:31:30 fair enough Mar 17 04:31:47 * Jack87 loves his nookcolor and sometimes wonders what other OSs are possible :) Mar 17 04:31:59 sacramento area dosen't belibe in webos devices .. the closes ones are like 20 miles Mar 17 04:32:22 I put up some screenshots of the current RTA @ ka6sox-home .. http://www.audiasound.com/screenshots/ Mar 17 04:35:09 tmandry-pre, awesome...0.4.1 is working fine on the pre- Mar 17 04:37:02 good to hear. Mar 17 04:38:42 ka6sox-home- 0.4.1 ? Mar 17 04:39:32 i found a pre plus for $88 but i think the website is a scam Mar 17 04:40:01 i did a whois on the domain and there a po box .. what big site has a po box 0_o plus the picture is getto Mar 17 04:40:19 joeb_: my app :p Mar 17 04:40:33 doesn't ATT still have Pre+s in stock, joeb_? Mar 17 04:40:47 or are you wanting to avoid paying the full off contract price Mar 17 04:41:35 SineOt- i signed a 2 year contract last month onthe 7th .. it broke / physical damage .. ATT won't cover it .. i been all thru the att support .. they wan me to pay retial price for a pre $399 0_o Mar 17 04:41:53 uff... no device insurance? Mar 17 04:41:57 what broke on it? Mar 17 04:42:16 wife and the ground aka it got thrown very hard and shattered 0_o Mar 17 04:42:30 make her pay for it, sounds like it was her fault :p Mar 17 04:43:16 http://www.auroracell.com/palm-pre-plus-for-atnt.html?gdftrk=gdfV2868_a_7c66_a_7c564_a_7cPalm%20Pre%20Plus%20For%20ATT Mar 17 04:43:17 well, I'm goin to bed Mar 17 04:43:17 night all Mar 17 04:43:21 wow $548 Mar 17 04:43:27 nigt PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 17 04:43:33 s/nigt/night Mar 17 04:43:40 Yeah, a lot of these will be the full retail pricing Mar 17 04:43:57 my Pixi at full retail was 529$, and the HTC Hero was like 649$ Mar 17 04:44:00 cya all tomorrow Mar 17 04:44:08 late PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 17 04:45:41 w00t i found one Mar 17 04:45:51 where/how much? Mar 17 04:45:58 better then nothing Mar 17 04:46:02 http://cgi.ebay.com/Palm-Pre-Plus-No-Contract-3G-Touch-GSM-Cell-Phone-AT-T-/400203157877?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item5d2df79175#ht_2580wt_721 Mar 17 04:46:05 its a buy it nwo Mar 17 04:46:10 s/nwo/now/ Mar 17 04:46:11 joeb_ meant: its a buy it now Mar 17 04:46:38 SineOt: seen the recent pixi+''s at ~$50? Mar 17 04:46:45 * halfhalo got one Mar 17 04:46:54 * ka6sox-home got one too Mar 17 04:46:54 it sits on the shelf right now Mar 17 04:46:56 joeb_, buy it buy it buy it Mar 17 04:47:02 destinal: yeah, they're awesome Mar 17 04:47:11 i get paid friday scoutcamper boo Mar 17 04:47:19 * joeb_ looks for shipping charge Mar 17 04:47:21 one of these days I'll snap one up just to transfer the Wifi board over... Stupid Sprint Mar 17 04:55:08 lots of folks are doing that Mar 17 04:56:22 yeah, I can't blame them. it was a dumb move on Sprint's part to trim wifi out of the Pixi only to have the other two major carriers get the exact same phone with wifi less than... 2 months maybe? later Mar 17 04:56:45 the lack of memory on Sprint devices is unacceptable Mar 17 04:57:02 does the sprint pixi have less memory? Mar 17 04:57:06 nope Mar 17 04:57:30 the only difference between the Pixi and Pixi+ is that the Pixi+ has wifi on the comms board, while the Pixi has an empty solder point Mar 17 04:57:33 pretty sure the pixi was 256M just like the Pre Mar 17 04:57:46 I love my pre+ and even after I replace it I intend to keep using it for a good long while Mar 17 04:57:55 it is but it works out to about 192mb in real use because of the modem being different/weird/stupid Mar 17 04:59:01 or something, someone at Palm explained it in some powerpoint at one of the dev days ages ago I think Mar 17 04:59:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pixi Mar 17 04:59:14 256M Mar 17 04:59:30 my BF isn't even going to use his pixi now... he just ordered a dumb phone so that he won't have to pay for data Mar 17 04:59:30 that's just too small Mar 17 04:59:36 looks like I have a backup phone :) Mar 17 04:59:53 pixi was a good device too bad it didn't sell well Mar 17 05:00:18 still is a good device. Mar 17 05:00:28 it needs stacks Mar 17 05:00:38 RagingMind: I have a friend that uses a pixi w/o a data plan... on sprint Mar 17 05:00:39 It's a great device, it just had a few design decisions that made it not as great as it could have/should have been Mar 17 05:01:45 no wifi on sprint, underpowered chipset Mar 17 05:02:01 tmandry, verizon requires that it has one Mar 17 05:02:05 the screensize isn't nearly as big of an issue as people seem to make it sound Mar 17 05:02:16 it'll know what kind of phone it is when you activate it Mar 17 05:02:38 ah Mar 17 05:02:56 I miss alltel Mar 17 05:02:59 *sigh* Mar 17 05:03:15 they're on top of things, apparently Mar 17 05:04:29 on alltel I had a truly unlimited data plan... my limit per month was whatever my modem and the network were capable of providing Mar 17 05:04:46 if Sprint merged with Tmo, it'd create the weirdest carrier @_@ Mar 17 05:04:47 and by modem I mean my RAZR Mar 17 05:05:00 ahaha... I had a KRZR for a while Mar 17 05:05:10 sprint still has nextel customers (like my mom) Mar 17 05:05:36 yeah, but merging Sprint (CDMA) with Tmo (GSM, and weird GSM at that) would be bonkers Mar 17 05:06:04 I have no clue what nextel used, but my mom it still stuck with just the nextel towers Mar 17 05:06:43 even though she upgraded phones after it became sprint, they had her get a nextel one because there wasn't good sprint cdma coverage at her house Mar 17 05:07:13 iDEN I think Mar 17 05:07:29 Sprint is still kicking the iDEN network around because it's still the best push to talk option Mar 17 05:07:33 SineOt, there was a sprint tmo merg talk out there Mar 17 05:07:38 so if sprint did merge with tmo... they'd have a crap ton of different types (especially throwing in all the new "4g" stuff) Mar 17 05:07:51 but they're planning on finally migrating off iDEN, or at least trying to Mar 17 05:08:01 Jack87: yeah, I know, but it's like... The weirdest merger talk ever Mar 17 05:08:13 it's not like Verizon eating up another CDMA carrier like they did with Alltel Mar 17 05:08:43 sprint would just become the melting pot of different left over companies and their ancient technologies Mar 17 05:09:54 just think! a quadband phone! which in reality is an iDEN push to talk with a CDMA voice modem with GSM for data and wimax for 4G Mar 17 05:10:37 I think I just threw up a little in my mouth Mar 17 05:10:42 lol. Mar 17 05:11:20 the customer experience on that would be horrendous. you'd have a complete different feature set depending on what signals you could get Mar 17 05:11:52 oh, and it's wrapped up in the Dethphone body so it stabs you in the face when you go to use it Mar 17 05:11:57 battery life is 30 minutes Mar 17 05:12:04 it has 3 screens, Echo style Mar 17 05:12:32 (I still don't get that phone) Mar 17 05:19:16 Good evening Mar 17 05:20:13 Kaerey, hello Mar 17 05:20:23 evenin' Mar 17 05:21:16 I just wanted to come in and let people know that if you install the skype app from the verizon 2.0.1 doctor onto a sprint pre- (2.1), it says you "can't use this feature while roaming" Mar 17 05:21:47 Kaerey, haha if you are roaming think you can use it? Mar 17 05:22:02 on sprint that is... since youll be on verizon network Mar 17 05:22:16 Yeah I'm looking for the force roaming patch now Mar 17 05:22:30 Or I'll just go turn off my airave and I'll probably start roaming Mar 17 05:22:33 granted you dont have 3g. but while in wifi Mar 17 05:24:20 Ok other random question, in the Advanced System Menus - Device Menu patch, how do you get into edit mode? Mar 17 05:26:15 gesture tap, or sym tap Mar 17 05:26:22 gesture tap in 2.1 is kind of borked Mar 17 05:26:56 awesome thanks. I'm uninstalling that patch now though to install the roam only in device menu. To see if I can force Roam to a Verizon network and get Skype to work Mar 17 05:27:16 But I'm going back to it Mar 17 05:31:27 bummer, I'm roaming with full signal but still says "cannont signin while roaming." must not be on a verizon tower. Mar 17 05:33:46 does anyone buy from ebay ? Mar 17 05:33:59 occasionally. Mar 17 05:34:30 i get paid friday and i found a palm pre + .. if i pay next day shipping do you think i will get it saturday ? Mar 17 05:35:06 That depends do they ship USPS or Fedex/UPS? Mar 17 05:35:26 US $29.99 Mar 17 05:35:29 and depends on when it gets shipped Mar 17 05:35:32 One-day Shipping (USPS Express Mail®) Mar 17 05:35:45 If you order it WAY early in the day... Possibly Mar 17 05:35:48 USPS "maybe" if you are in a one day delivery area for express mail from sending location and they send it that day. Mar 17 05:36:10 UPS/FedEx, Next Day Air on Friday would arrive Monday. You'd have to pay extra for Saturday Delivery Mar 17 05:36:30 its $184.99 + $29.99 shipping Mar 17 05:37:49 That could be either option. does it say anything about not shipping to PO boxes or APO/FPO? Mar 17 05:39:46 nope nothing about po box Mar 17 05:40:20 worse case scenario, you'll get it monday Mar 17 05:40:32 or they don't ship it for two weeks and you get it for Easter. Mar 17 05:42:53 ok bbs going to wach netflix on windows .. bah it sucks netflix dosen't work on linux Mar 17 05:42:56 B00! Mar 17 05:43:48 joeb_, doing a VM using VirtualBox winxp works great for netflix Mar 17 05:43:52 vmware not so great Mar 17 05:48:20 * halfhalo hearts vmware Mar 17 05:50:13 I'm digging this linux stuff Lots of fun. Tweaking WebOS has helped me learn a lot Mar 17 05:59:04 This is so weird, Voice Dial keeps moving to the bottom of the first launcher page on me Mar 17 05:59:25 I think it does that on its own Mar 17 05:59:26 it's weird Mar 17 06:13:49 yep. it's also annoying Mar 17 06:21:31 Frost, there's a patch to fix it Mar 17 06:21:40 oh Mar 17 06:36:20 hello, I make a C service, and it is running ( verified by ps -e ), but in program any call to this service instantly failed, it seems that this service is not registered in system. I use nearly the same postinstall script as Preware except path and service name. How to solve it ? Mar 17 06:36:55 WindBell2, I'd use Govnah instead... Mar 17 06:37:00 simpler example Mar 17 06:38:17 I have read Govnah, however, find no difference between Govnah and Preware in the install part except there are some package loading in Preware. Mar 17 06:41:19 I think 1 text files under /var/palm/system-services and 2 json files under /var/palm/ls2/roles/ is necessary for ls2 system load service. Is there anything else I must do? Mar 17 06:44:52 @ka6sox-home, can you give me some advices? Mar 17 07:57:14 heyho Mar 17 08:01:21 ice8lue: kohey Mar 17 08:01:29 ^^ Mar 17 08:02:01 and did you get you mail in the meantime? I was asked for the shipping adress two days ago Mar 17 08:17:00 well, they already got mine Mar 17 08:17:36 adam asked back and got word they are currently out of stock and waiting for new devices to arrive. Mar 17 08:17:50 think there are LOTS of people requesting one Mar 17 09:49:37 reading http://mirrors.bufferbloat.net/Talks/AIMS2011/bauer-ecn-aims-2011.pdf Mar 17 09:50:39 anyone know offhand if ECN is on in the uberkernel? Mar 17 11:50:55 hola? Mar 17 13:24:13 halfhalo, yo Mar 17 13:24:18 did u get added to the git repo Mar 17 13:24:25 halfhalo, email me your ssh key Mar 17 13:24:28 if u havent Mar 17 14:07:13 PuffTheMagic: the key is already in gitosis for the patch portal Mar 17 14:15:39 ok Mar 17 14:15:41 1 sec Mar 17 14:17:39 halfhalo, pushed Mar 17 14:17:49 * PuffTheMagic wonders how long it will take halfhalo to replace the plugin Mar 17 14:22:57 oil: wirc autoconnect not working at all for me... Mar 17 14:23:06 PuffTheMagic: HANO Mar 17 14:23:14 * halfhalo goes to class, bbl Mar 17 14:42:49 * halfhalo yawns Mar 17 14:46:33 * halfhalo is NOT going to replace the plugin, to much effort without a rewrite Mar 17 14:49:10 * halfhalo also contemplates just type support Mar 17 14:50:22 halfhalo: what you working on? Mar 17 14:50:30 wirc Mar 17 14:51:12 I have a patch that sorta kinda fixes the stacking on 2.1 Mar 17 14:51:58 stacking worked just fine for me Mar 17 14:52:10 once I got it connected Mar 17 14:52:24 with autojoin and multiple channels? Mar 17 14:52:28 but manually joined channels Mar 17 14:52:41 nope Mar 17 14:52:58 yeah, manually works Mar 17 14:53:43 autjoin just spawns cards to fast, so right now there is a small timeout, but there is one last thing to try to get rid of the timeou Mar 17 15:42:24 hey, just searched a bit arround on my pre 2.1 using internalz, and found a ftp app in /usr/palm/appplication/ anyone investigated this more? Mar 17 16:02:35 Sonic-NKT, you could set it to not hidden then you'd be able to launch it Mar 17 16:04:41 is it possible to change this with internalz? Mar 17 16:05:47 dunno, don't use internals Mar 17 16:06:01 what is the linux command? Mar 17 16:06:08 Sonic-NKT, what is internalz? Mar 17 16:06:26 its not a webos-internals thing so I wouldnt' know Mar 17 16:06:40 its a filebrowser for webos Mar 17 16:06:54 or filemanager Mar 17 16:07:11 oh, okay... dunno as its not a webos-internals thing. Mar 17 16:07:32 * halfhalo should make a simple file browser to relearn moho Mar 17 16:09:02 ok doesnt matter, what is the linux command to unhide the folder? Mar 17 16:09:15 meh, patch wirc first Mar 17 16:11:36 its editing a single file, but I don't remember where Mar 17 16:36:37 Sonic-NKT, there's not a specific one line command Mar 17 16:36:46 you have to edit the appinfo.json file Mar 17 16:36:55 but don't forget to make a backup copy first :) Mar 17 16:43:08 where is this file located? Mar 17 16:43:30 ah nevermind ;) Mar 17 16:43:32 in the folder that you mentioned Mar 17 16:43:34 ah, heh Mar 17 16:47:00 ah ok, seems like its just an FTP test application, atleast thats the title ;) Mar 17 16:47:22 does it actually have any options? Mar 17 16:47:40 it has 3 Buttons, "List Scripts", ifconfig and Clear Logs Mar 17 16:47:49 heh Mar 17 16:47:56 List scripts opens a new scene but there are no scripts available Mar 17 16:48:03 ifconfig gives out a failure Mar 17 16:48:12 I think that's an old left over internal thing if I remember right Mar 17 16:48:40 yay for shipping random hidden cruft to customers? Mar 17 16:48:51 that's half the fun! Mar 17 16:49:03 hehe would have been to great if there was a working ftp client on the pre :D Mar 17 16:49:11 lord knows that the version of webkit they ship is only a half step removed from "random hidden cruft" XD Mar 17 16:49:18 pulled from October 2009 :C Mar 17 16:49:29 October! Of 2009! Mar 17 16:49:37 It's almost 2 years old! Mar 17 16:49:52 I hope HP hired on some engineers to pull in new stuff for upcoming releases Mar 17 16:50:16 They've been adding stuff piecemeal in through patches, but there's only so much you can do when you're using something so out of date. Mar 17 16:50:42 That's why you're missing out on box-shadow, or @font-face, or proper font-shadow support. Mar 17 16:50:55 locked in a room, fed mountain dew, and told they can't come out until they get at least 2.6.32 running properly Mar 17 16:51:12 three big killer things that would let you take a webOS app from awesome to HOLY SHIT Mar 17 16:51:43 * SineOt makes an app that embeds a comic sans clone via @font-face Mar 17 16:52:19 * SineOt makes it flash rainbow, scars Adora for life Mar 17 16:53:46 is Adora allergic to rainbows? :-P Mar 17 16:54:18 RagingMind: did you ever see my Preware Advanced version? Mar 17 16:54:32 Nope Mar 17 16:55:29 SineOt: I wonder if webos 3 is going to be much more "from scratch" Mar 17 16:55:30 SineOt, if you just love flashy graphics you'd love http://vineyardo.com/ Mar 17 16:55:34 it's SFW :) Mar 17 16:56:10 SineOt: like how they would do it if they were doing things today (but still had to maintain some compatibility) Mar 17 16:56:43 a friend of mine decided that his dog needed a website Mar 17 16:56:51 I have my hopes that it's a lot more "from scratch" Mar 17 16:57:15 I think moving Mojo into a compatibility layer will let them move a lot of stuff out and bring a lot of stuff in Mar 17 16:57:38 I hope it's no so from scratch that they hide everything inside big blobs and the whole thing becomes inaccessible Mar 17 16:58:15 Ah, here we go, RagingMind http://dl.dropbox.com/u/469264/PrewareThemes/PrewareAdvancedMode.m4v Mar 17 16:58:50 RagingMind: yeah, the app would look something like that Mar 17 16:58:58 which is to say ironically awesome Mar 17 16:59:39 trippy Mar 17 16:59:44 yeah Mar 17 17:00:02 it did more but... the version of webkit in use really did NOT like what I was doing to it Mar 17 17:01:15 stuff like doing transforms on the body element, -1 scaling on things, etc etc Mar 17 17:01:16 a palm provided way to install more themes would be nifty Mar 17 17:03:19 you mean like, application themes, or full blown webOS themes? Mar 17 17:04:13 both? Mar 17 17:04:31 only if Palm policed the full webOS themes because hooodoggy there's some bad ones out there :p Mar 17 17:05:41 that's why I won't install them... Mar 17 17:06:17 c_c http://www.precentral.net/jager-theme Mar 17 17:07:24 ew Mar 17 17:07:40 707 downloads ;_; http://www.precentral.net/windows-xp-pro Mar 17 17:08:16 oh lord http://media.precentral.net/resources/images/000/053/701/original/ss-phone_0.png Mar 17 17:10:26 this is a BIG part of why I want to do that webOS theme kit Mar 17 17:10:33 to help prevent things like... this Mar 17 17:37:44 another luna reatart Mar 17 18:19:30 Its dead here Mar 17 18:20:02 no its not! Mar 17 18:21:26 'not dead yet' Mar 17 18:23:35 Hi, can anybody tell me where I get the alpha of LinPhone for webOS? Mar 17 18:23:51 ohh Mar 17 18:24:24 rwhitby has been handling that Mar 17 18:24:32 but he is on vacation atm :/ Mar 17 18:26:09 Anybody else on this planet ... ahm group? Mar 17 18:26:28 i dont know where the ipks are at or i would tell ya Mar 17 18:27:01 and the developer of linphone isn't here right now for me to ping him either Mar 17 18:27:18 my suggestion is come back in a day or two and ask again? Mar 17 18:27:32 OK, thanks. Mar 17 18:27:46 sorry i can't be of more help :/ Mar 17 18:27:48 thor968, or just hang out Mar 17 18:27:55 An other thing. Big thing ... Mar 17 18:28:05 uh oh Mar 17 18:28:12 rofl Mar 17 18:28:20 * ka6sox-home braces for impact Mar 17 18:28:28 * oilsworkn hopes its not his code Mar 17 18:28:29 Migrating text messages (SMS) from 1.4.5 to 2.1 :-D Mar 17 18:28:34 oh, lol Mar 17 18:28:43 * oilsworkn wipes brow Mar 17 18:28:53 idk if thats even possible Mar 17 18:28:54 I vote for saucy fox to become the webOS mascot, all in favor? Mar 17 18:29:07 they're stored differently in the two versions Mar 17 18:29:46 haha Mar 17 18:29:56 I know, the export from 1.4.5 should not be the problem. Mar 17 18:29:59 only the fox with the censor bar, none of the others? Mar 17 18:30:03 yes Mar 17 18:30:06 heh Mar 17 18:30:17 heh Mar 17 18:30:19 thor968: yeah, but i dont know if anyone has done an import for the new version Mar 17 18:30:30 im pretty sure its db8 Mar 17 18:31:07 As far as I figured out, nobody has done that yet. But what are the options to write to the new database? Mar 17 18:31:22 I gave up trying to save my text messages Mar 17 18:31:31 you would need to use a service like impostah to get access to insert to that kind Mar 17 18:31:59 SineOt: if there was a poll, i would vote in favor of saucy fox Mar 17 18:32:04 only because its hilarious Mar 17 18:32:14 sauxy fox? Mar 17 18:32:41 SineOt has the link Mar 17 18:33:06 That's what I was thinking about. With Impostah you already can read the content, you even see the permissions that say that * is only allowed to read/update. Mar 17 18:33:48 yeah Mar 17 18:33:53 someone just needs to write it :) Mar 17 18:33:56 * oilsworkn votes thor968 Mar 17 18:34:17 * ka6sox-home concurs Mar 17 18:34:27 * halfhalo thirds Mar 17 18:34:27 lol Mar 17 18:34:52 Is the source of Impostah available? Mar 17 18:34:56 yup Mar 17 18:35:40 Where? Mar 17 18:35:40 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/impostah.git;a=summary Mar 17 18:35:46 there! Mar 17 18:35:52 Thanks :-) Mar 17 18:36:00 np Mar 17 18:36:14 at least we got 1 of your questions answered haha Mar 17 18:36:32 thats better than normal! Mar 17 18:36:45 seriously, thats 50% Mar 17 18:37:52 Well, if I really will look at it, there will come millions of more questions :-D Mar 17 18:40:40 Abyssul: http://webosignite.com/en/calendar/index Mar 17 18:40:47 at the bottom of the page Mar 17 18:40:47 dang...1 for 2? we are doing GREAT. Mar 17 18:40:55 latest teaser -> http://ompldr.org/vN3VxMQ/novatool-mac.png Mar 17 18:41:53 PuffTheMagic: FrankenPixi? Pixi- with a Pixi+ comm board? Mar 17 18:42:21 yup Mar 17 18:43:13 omg internets Mar 17 18:43:57 * halfhalo thinks oil needs an irc proxy Mar 17 18:44:27 i use webchat at work Mar 17 18:44:31 why? Mar 17 18:44:39 FIREWALL. Mar 17 18:44:40 because Mar 17 18:44:41 ? Mar 17 18:44:46 bah Mar 17 18:44:51 no, i could just change the firewall, lols Mar 17 18:45:06 kk Mar 17 18:45:14 he's just lazy, obviously Mar 17 18:45:32 * ka6sox-home smacks halfhalo with a half-eaten tuna sandwich. Mar 17 18:45:40 ... Mar 17 18:45:43 ~lart ka6sox-home Mar 17 18:45:43 * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on ka6sox-home Mar 17 18:45:55 SineOt: obviously Mar 17 18:46:43 I'm still just trying to wrap my mind around -why- saucy fox exists, and why on the calendar page Mar 17 18:46:48 it's just so out of place Mar 17 18:47:21 just to make you question it Mar 17 18:47:45 yup Mar 17 18:48:34 but whyyyyyyy Mar 17 18:48:44 to make sure you know webos developers are edgy and cool Mar 17 18:48:50 ? Mar 17 18:48:53 lets go with that Mar 17 18:49:57 or whoever developed the site is a furry... Mar 17 18:50:02 but thats a little disturbing Mar 17 18:50:35 here i am talking to an otter afterall Mar 17 18:50:37 so maybe thats right Mar 17 18:50:44 :3 Mar 17 18:51:02 it's just that everything is so tasteful and cartoony Mar 17 18:51:06 and then there he is Mar 17 18:51:23 its a he and not a she? Mar 17 18:51:28 how can you tell with that black bar?> Mar 17 18:51:36 WHY IS THERE NO DEACTIVATE METHOD IN THIS Mar 17 18:51:44 heh Mar 17 18:55:11 oilsworkn: look at the bar :I Mar 17 18:55:29 that thing is pointin' up there pretty high! Mar 17 18:55:56 Also no eyelashes. Mar 17 18:56:15 lol Mar 17 18:56:57 * oilsworkn really didnt look at it that closely Mar 17 18:58:10 gotta work on your cartoon character gender identification man :I Mar 17 18:58:54 i guess so Mar 17 19:03:33 what else has been put forward as webOS mascots in the past, anyways? Mar 17 19:07:59 Why do we need a mascot? Mar 17 19:10:49 Why not? XD Mar 17 19:17:23 might as well ask why do we need air Mar 17 19:20:58 the real answer is so that webOS can have insanely creepy ads Mar 17 19:22:09 Afternoon #webos-internals Mar 17 19:25:35 morning PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 17 19:25:49 Haha Mar 17 19:25:52 How's it goin? Mar 17 19:26:00 Isn't it like 12PM there? Mar 17 19:26:06 busy, working Mar 17 19:27:18 Same here Mar 17 19:27:27 But I'm doing school Mar 17 19:34:05 Ka6sox-home: are you the one setting up the new server from HP? Mar 17 19:39:55 one of the people doing it. Mar 17 19:40:14 How's it comin? Mar 17 19:41:36 its coming Mar 17 19:49:36 * halfhalo yawns Mar 17 19:51:47 * halfhalo goes to get a laptop to go look at wirc and sleeps Mar 17 19:51:58 hi Mar 17 19:52:03 hola Mar 17 19:52:16 Hay halfhalo and metaview Mar 17 19:53:00 Halfhalo: laptop to look at wirc? Mar 17 19:53:29 yes to patch it for stack stuff Mar 17 19:53:40 Ah ok Mar 17 19:53:46 why is it whenever I want a laptop I cant find a charger for it Mar 17 19:53:47 stack stuff? Mar 17 19:54:02 Lol Mar 17 19:54:05 is there a way to control what be stacked or notß Mar 17 19:54:08 getting wirc to properly stack on autostuff Mar 17 19:54:49 not really, just making the cards launch slow enough so they properly autostack Mar 17 19:56:08 ok, I have three laptops here and no chargers for any of them. gah Mar 17 19:56:27 Desktop? Mar 17 19:56:54 those do not solve my wanting to go elsewhere to program Mar 17 19:57:08 True Mar 17 19:57:32 I hope we can have decent text editors on the TouchPad Mar 17 20:05:52 PatrickC_School: vim isn't enough for you? Mar 17 20:08:47 must be an emacs user... Mar 17 20:09:36 a user of the emacs OS. Mar 17 20:09:49 ... Mar 17 20:10:12 the gamesi nemacs are better than in vim Mar 17 20:10:28 * MetaView saves spaces Mar 17 20:12:34 oil! Mar 17 20:12:40 ? Mar 17 20:12:49 your code is confusing! Mar 17 20:13:01 oh? Mar 17 20:13:29 * oil never claims to know the best or right way to do something Mar 17 20:13:31 i can't find the visiblewindowhandler function in in the code Mar 17 20:13:32 i just do what works Mar 17 20:14:03 this.invisibleWindowHandler = this.invisibleWindow.bindAsEventListener(this); Mar 17 20:14:04 wait.... mojo programming memory is coming back to me... Mar 17 20:14:13 so, its invisibleWindow Mar 17 20:14:35 ok, this I can work with Mar 17 20:16:30 Also tempted to throw the dashboard stuff into the same type of queue to eliminate all these exceptions I'm getting from them Mar 17 20:17:02 meh Mar 17 20:17:05 * oil goes back to work Mar 17 20:23:48 halfhalo, how hard would it be to code wirc to save stack configs? like if I have 3 different stacks for channels? Mar 17 20:24:08 not gonna happen Mar 17 20:27:58 BOOM Mar 17 20:28:15 good boom or bad boom? Mar 17 20:28:19 good Mar 17 20:41:28 ok, as I thought, it does not fallback properly on 1.4.5 Mar 17 20:42:38 halfhalo, 2 wirc versions? Mar 17 20:42:55 wirc 2.X and 1.X? Mar 17 20:43:06 no, just gotta fix the logic Mar 17 20:54:34 bbl Mar 17 21:04:45 And... it works on the pixi now again Mar 17 21:06:24 yeah, make sure wirc works on the pixi when you're done or PuffTheMagic will drop the hammer on ya Mar 17 21:06:33 I just did Mar 17 21:06:50 DOUBLECHECK Mar 17 21:06:51 heh Mar 17 21:07:01 now its seeing the pixi is running a 1.x.x os and falls back to the old way Mar 17 21:08:58 yup, still works Mar 17 21:11:06 saucy fox link? Mar 17 21:12:21 halfhalo oil PuffTheMagic, does wirc stay connected when you're on wifi for any of you? Mar 17 21:12:47 yes, while im still within range it does Mar 17 21:12:52 yup Mar 17 21:12:58 even if your phone sleeps for a while? Mar 17 21:13:02 yep Mar 17 21:13:21 okay. so my router sucks and so does the one at work apparently :( Mar 17 21:13:30 if that happens, it could be a case of the sleeping wifi setting? Mar 17 21:13:37 * oilsworkn has his set to stay connected while asleep Mar 17 21:15:07 i believe the default is to disconnect Mar 17 21:15:09 i could be wrong Mar 17 21:15:42 when I got my phone and had 1.4.5 on it and now with 2.1 on it, the default is "when phone sleeps... keep wifi on" Mar 17 21:15:43 * halfhalo goes to push Mar 17 21:16:08 I've never changed that setting because I figured that's how I wanted it Mar 17 21:23:49 oilsworkn: pushed the changes for you Mar 17 21:31:13 hey hey Mar 17 21:32:01 ho ho Mar 17 21:32:08 he he Mar 17 21:36:03 so it did work in visible without hte timout? Mar 17 21:36:04 nice Mar 17 21:36:17 yup Mar 17 21:36:43 it only showsstill in connection manager class :/ Mar 17 21:36:54 * oilsworkn will move it Mar 17 21:37:38 Just because you hate that class does not mean its a bad class :p Mar 17 21:39:23 Anyone in here know withinboredom? Or anyone working on a gui sip client? or any reason why there isn't one? Mar 17 21:40:10 linphone is the only one i know of Mar 17 21:40:28 I've seen a website for one thats "coming soon" Mar 17 21:40:35 but I can never remember the name of it Mar 17 21:40:57 It just doesn't make sense, I don't see any reason why there isn't one. All the threads are like "waiting for a mic api..." Mar 17 21:41:19 but even before there was one.. it's not like we couldn't access the mic via alsa AND pa Mar 17 21:41:46 but now there is Mar 17 21:41:48 i just wish I had some reason to care about voip. I'm sure there's some application here i'm missing... besides the obviously google voice stuff. Mar 17 21:41:51 and you could make it and sell it in the catalog Mar 17 21:41:55 oilsworkn: well not really Mar 17 21:41:58 and use the prelolol guy! Mar 17 21:42:13 oilsworkn: making it work with the current high-level api would be 1000 times harder imo Mar 17 21:42:28 only 1000 times? Mar 17 21:42:35 well, not 1000 times, depends on how easy the lib is to work with Mar 17 21:42:41 lol Mar 17 21:42:45 i haven't looked into any of them, but there are a lot Mar 17 21:43:00 should jump on the linphone project Mar 17 21:43:04 its in the wi git repo Mar 17 21:43:32 It's such an alien concept to me. "Oh hey we have to access the mic. /lets do it by using some javascript/html5 stuff and then make that interface with a C lib backend/" Mar 17 21:43:34 it's so.. backwards Mar 17 21:45:01 http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/267402-voogle-google-voice-webos-coming-soon.html <-- 6 months ago? Mar 17 21:47:36 isnt voogle already out? Mar 17 21:47:42 it isd Mar 17 21:47:45 -d Mar 17 21:48:15 does it... work? Mar 17 21:51:16 zsoc: google voice client, not the voip stuff, and it supposedly works ok but it goes through this intermediate server run by a 15 year old. Let's just say I'm not putting my personal credentials through it Mar 17 21:51:18 as far as i know Mar 17 21:52:07 * halfhalo yawns Mar 17 21:52:30 * oilsworkn fakes like he is going to stick his finger in halfhalos mouth to cut it short! Mar 17 21:52:31 HA Mar 17 21:52:46 * halfhalo gets a knife Mar 17 21:53:42 more so because of the intermediate server at all than and because I don't think he is familiar with secure code development practices than his age particularly Mar 17 21:54:40 destinal-work: so why is there no gvoice dedicated sip app Mar 17 21:55:11 zsoc: no good reason that I know of Mar 17 21:55:35 zsoc: because you've been gone, and haven't been here making one! Mar 17 21:55:45 though I'm not sure the voip used by google talk is SIP. Mar 17 21:56:05 it's probably the same codecs but the channel / signalling may or may not be SIP Mar 17 21:56:16 zsoc, http://www.openmobl.com/movox/ Mar 17 21:56:43 neat Mar 17 21:56:58 thats dkirker1 Mar 17 21:57:32 destinal-work: my understanding there is now sip compatable api Mar 17 21:58:06 RagingMind: ty for link Mar 17 21:58:37 zsoc, the developer was in here a while ago, and it's just kinda stuck in the back of my mind Mar 17 21:58:54 I"m also curious about this "universe" browser that's also on his page Mar 17 22:00:20 hi! Mar 17 22:01:39 and I'm wondering if there's still any momentum behind prefox Mar 17 22:01:58 RagingMind: Haven't seen any updates for it in a while. Mar 17 23:28:58 its quiet Mar 17 23:29:00 too quit Mar 17 23:29:01 anyone on windows 32bit in here? Mar 17 23:29:06 yes Mar 17 23:29:16 Mar 17 23:29:39 can u run 'set p | grep archi' Mar 17 23:29:43 and tell me what it returns Mar 17 23:29:57 win 7 or xp? Mar 17 23:30:05 both Mar 17 23:31:29 http://pastebin.com/TQ39DZHC Mar 17 23:31:35 same error on xp Mar 17 23:31:57 oops Mar 17 23:32:05 switch grep with 'findstd /i' Mar 17 23:33:38 PuffTheMagic: thats why you have xp mode for this type of crap! Mar 17 23:34:05 :D Mar 17 23:36:57 PuffTheMagic, http://pastebin.com/abuppEEy Mar 17 23:37:05 same on both again Mar 17 23:37:43 damit Mar 17 23:37:46 findstr Mar 17 23:37:48 but nevermind Mar 17 23:38:25 PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE=x86 Mar 17 23:49:04 anyone wanna test this out -> ompldr.org/vN3V1cw/novatool.exe Mar 17 23:49:20 in particular, if you use it to install the novacom driver make sure it installs the right arch Mar 17 23:51:51 * halfhalo would... but he is being lazy right now Mar 17 23:52:09 trying right now Mar 17 23:52:18 on 2.1 pre 2 Mar 17 23:53:24 PuffTheMagic, installed correctly Mar 17 23:58:45 yup, detects it right on win7 x64 Mar 18 00:00:36 thanks Mar 18 00:05:36 Good morning all Mar 18 00:06:54 I have a working on-device ipk fetcher for geo-restricted apps, but to get it to work I have used some unlicensed code Mar 18 00:08:25 I've sent a DM to the owner on twitter, but is it acceptable to use a postinst script to copy the offending code, thus avoiding its distribution? Mar 18 00:08:46 ya Mar 18 00:24:32 is there any way to get to recovery mode if up volume button not working? Mar 18 00:40:28 Anyone with geo-restricted catalog want to alpha test? Mar 18 00:43:08 how can I tell preware to only show me the patches/themes for my VZW Pre 2 (webos 2.0.1)? Thanks! Mar 18 00:43:10 never mind, got it flashing Mar 18 00:56:53 restoring palm profile on 2nd frankenPre2 Mar 18 01:41:05 hello Mar 18 01:41:32 this is my first time here... Mar 18 01:42:34 Anyone ? Mar 18 01:42:55 sure Mar 18 01:43:29 this is not my first time here Mar 18 01:44:02 I dont think I am here Mar 18 01:46:27 Hi - I am using the WebOS 2.1.0 to a legacy device script and I was successful in updating one sprint pre and one verizon pre+. I had problems getting through the reset of the + but it finally worked. Now the second plus won't get past the reset... This when running the 2.1.0 for VZW+ and after it recognizes the device Mar 18 01:46:48 I'm using windows 7 pro Mar 18 01:46:56 and Cygwin Mar 18 01:49:32 I got the first + to reset while running the new doctor without rebuilding it, and I am still using it to try to get the other + to update Mar 18 01:53:01 Anyone help? Mar 18 01:53:44 i'm not a win7 guy, sorry :( Mar 18 01:53:51 have you read the tutorial ? Mar 18 01:56:25 Many times. also the recovery page. there is nothing I can find to help if the phone won't reset. Mar 18 01:57:06 did you do the volume up trick ? Mar 18 01:57:22 I have tried many times. and I know I've done everything else right because it built the doctor and I used it to update Pre+ #1 Mar 18 01:57:46 egadgetguy, can you use novacom to talk to it at all? Mar 18 01:58:03 Yes. but that trick is for the USB not working. Mar 18 01:58:42 tellbootie recover doesn't work? Mar 18 02:01:06 I looked for tellbootie and basically came up empty Mar 18 02:07:06 pull the battery, connect the cable, put battery back in (so it doesn't complain), and novaterm Mar 18 02:08:04 I have WebOS Quick Install,... Mar 18 02:08:56 * ka6sox-away knows NOTHING of that. Mar 18 02:09:58 egadgetguy, that wont do Mar 18 02:10:10 egadgetguy, you need to install the sdk Mar 18 02:10:22 I have that Mar 18 02:11:18 * Jack87 is trying to remember command for windows users for root access Mar 18 02:11:27 novaterm still works Mar 18 02:11:45 halfhalo, what do you mean? i dont think so Mar 18 02:11:51 yup Mar 18 02:11:53 it does Mar 18 02:12:16 egadgetguy, type novaterm in command prompt Mar 18 02:13:20 I got a pre- today :) Mar 18 02:15:36 egadgetguy, if that doesnt work.. this should... novacom -t open tty:// Mar 18 02:18:51 I tried both. I get the same result. unable to type Mar 18 02:20:11 Same thing is happening right now... after trying the update, the phone won't connect to any of my USB ports until I reboot the PC Mar 18 02:22:36 Egadgetguy: what are you tryin to do? Mar 18 02:22:45 What PC OS? Mar 18 02:23:15 read upHi - I am using the WebOS 2.1.0 to a legacy device script and I was successful in updating one sprint pre and one verizon pre+. I had problems getting through the reset of the + but it finally worked. Now the second plus won't get past the reset... This when running the 2.1.0 for VZW+ and after it recognizes the device [20:44] I'm using windows 7 pro Mar 18 02:24:04 So, lemme see if I got this right.. Mar 18 02:24:25 You are trying to doctor a vzw pre+ to 2.1 on win7 pro? Mar 18 02:24:33 Yes Mar 18 02:24:44 What is the problem? Mar 18 02:24:45 I did it once already Mar 18 02:24:52 Sorry. I came in a little late :p Mar 18 02:24:57 on my other pre+ Mar 18 02:25:06 What isn't working? Mar 18 02:25:37 I doctored a Sprint Pre-, a VZW Pre+, and a Unlocked Pre2 with no problems Mar 18 02:26:40 Is the pre not connecting to the PC? Mar 18 02:27:37 when running the doctor, after it asks me to connect the phone, I connect it and the [next] button becomes available, I click it and it starts scanning "0% and saying "charging Battery" Then the phone enters "Big Hairy USB ICON" mode. After a few minutes, it says Error, could not reset the phone. Mar 18 02:28:46 Are you in recovery mode? Mar 18 02:28:59 tried that - didn't work Mar 18 02:29:05 same error Mar 18 02:29:37 Hmmm Mar 18 02:29:40 Idk then Mar 18 02:31:08 question. What does "recovery mode" look like? Mar 18 02:31:30 "Big Hairy USB ICON"? Mar 18 02:31:34 Yep Mar 18 02:31:44 But you put your phone into that mode Mar 18 02:32:00 I tried. that. several times Mar 18 02:32:27 The "hold volume up" stuff Mar 18 02:32:31 ya Mar 18 02:32:37 Hmm Mar 18 02:32:42 Then I have no clue Mar 18 02:33:11 it won't usb connect after the error. until I reboot the PC Mar 18 02:34:41 My computer has a problem??? Mar 18 02:34:48 try another? Mar 18 02:34:54 I would Mar 18 02:35:22 argh... have to install all this stuff on another pc~ Mar 18 02:40:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 can't wait to load 2.1 on his pre Mar 18 02:41:28 brb - all my usb ports are now dead. Mar 18 02:42:27 Hope you get it fixed Mar 18 02:45:54 ok - I had to re enable my touchpad... Mar 18 02:46:07 no - not the HP one,.. Mar 18 02:46:15 :'( Mar 18 02:47:15 i kno > Mar 18 02:49:29 hi hemna Mar 18 02:49:47 sup Mar 18 02:50:44 trying to 2.1.0 my second + Mar 18 02:51:04 did a - then a + then it stalled on second + Mar 18 02:52:37 I just wish Palm would release 2.x for the original pre Mar 18 02:55:10 I just got 2.1.0 on my brother's pre-, now I have to figure out what to do with it Mar 18 02:55:47 it's useless since I don't have sprint and their service is spotty here Mar 18 02:55:54 uselles to me that is Mar 18 02:57:21 It was so cool running 2.1 on the - and seeing how fast it is Mar 18 02:57:56 I know... It's what bummed me out so bad about the Pixi not getting 2.x Mar 18 02:58:09 because the jump in speed on the same hardware from 1.4.5 to 2.1 was massive Mar 18 02:59:13 it is... sorry for pixi owners. interested in a - with 2.1? Mar 18 02:59:43 Kinda... My Pixi is shitting the bed pretty bad right now **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 18 02:59:57 2011