**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 02:59:57 2011 Mar 20 03:36:40 sup PatrickC_Pre Mar 20 03:36:51 hay Mar 20 03:36:56 how's the pre? :) Mar 20 03:37:03 lovin it Mar 20 03:37:20 when i reply / send a text message it lags for like 2 secs Mar 20 03:37:34 2.1? Mar 20 03:37:42 yep Mar 20 03:37:49 i can send it and it waits then it sends Mar 20 03:38:05 same here Mar 20 03:38:11 on my pre- Mar 20 03:38:38 i thought it was just me Mar 20 03:38:41 you guys overclocking? Mar 20 03:38:47 where it's in grey, then flips to black? Mar 20 03:38:48 2.1 is kinda heavy for a - Mar 20 03:38:58 oh, that isn't OS lag Mar 20 03:39:11 I'm pretty sure that it's waiting for the network to confirm it sent Mar 20 03:39:23 it is grey when the phone sends it out... turns black when the carrier reports that it got the text from you Mar 20 03:39:31 yep Mar 20 03:39:51 now, that doesn't mean that it is confirmed that the person you are sending it to got it... Mar 20 03:39:56 that is wierd though Mar 20 03:40:00 just that if I send a text, that sprint got it Mar 20 03:40:06 then it is on them to deliver it Mar 20 03:40:50 i don't think i had that problem in 1.4.5 Mar 20 03:41:04 it's not a problem :p Mar 20 03:41:05 cryptk: I am OCIng Mar 20 03:41:08 it does that by design Mar 20 03:41:16 joeb_: my Pixi on 1.4.5 does it Mar 20 03:41:18 SineOt: lag the text ? Mar 20 03:41:21 you probably just never noticed it Mar 20 03:41:24 SineOt: oh wow Mar 20 03:41:26 yup Mar 20 03:41:39 So HP actually delivered on the SDK 2.x this week promise? Mar 20 03:41:48 like cryptk said, it's a lag from when you send it and your carrier goes "oh you've sent a text, yup yup" Mar 20 03:42:14 destinal-: yes :) Mar 20 03:42:35 so I mentioned on facebook to a buddy that I work at Rackspace last night... Mar 20 03:42:47 he came back with "you mean THE Rackspace?" Mar 20 03:42:52 lol Mar 20 03:42:58 so I told him "what other Rackspace is out there?" Mar 20 03:46:03 If there is a patch we use, but it isn't available yet for 2.1, can we update it if we know how? Mar 20 03:48:10 that requires knowing how, but yes Mar 20 03:48:22 Ok Mar 20 03:48:31 I think I know how to do *one* :) Mar 20 03:51:11 if you update it, test it, and it works Mar 20 03:51:20 Cool Mar 20 03:51:21 then you can submit the update at patches.webos-internals.org Mar 20 03:51:22 Thanks Mar 20 03:57:23 can you post a link PatrickC_Pre2 im trying something in irssi Mar 20 03:57:39 Link to? Mar 20 03:57:56 anything Mar 20 03:58:11 http://dailyotter.org Mar 20 03:58:17 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/ Mar 20 03:58:21 coo Mar 20 03:58:32 i set it so whoever puts in a link there nick highlights Mar 20 03:58:33 :D Mar 20 03:58:39 good for me when im away Mar 20 03:59:28 I think that's it for me, I've been too long here and yesterday I didn't even sleep more than 1 hour, see you guys later! :D Mar 20 04:00:02 I'm gonna work on some patches tomorrow.. Nite guys Mar 20 05:31:15 whats the best app tool to upload a pic .. then i can get teh link of the post ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:09 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:31 2011 Mar 20 06:29:39 http://m.precentral.net/richard-kerris-lifts-veil-dev-relations-and-nda-2-0 Mar 20 06:29:55 good news or bad ? Mar 20 06:32:12 joebpre: please choose one channel only Mar 20 06:32:58 k didnt know if both cans wanted to know Mar 20 06:34:27 most people in both channels follow precentral themselves Mar 20 06:57:24 Hello Mar 20 06:57:31 wer spricht Deutsch? Mar 20 06:59:03 my location service since my update to 2.1 anyone else witrh issues with location service ? Mar 20 06:59:12 err Mar 20 06:59:21 I'm having issues Mar 20 06:59:49 yelp / google maps / fandanog nothing can find me Mar 20 09:22:24 Hi All.. I am trying to write an APP on pre plus where i need to accept username/password of a remote server and authenticate him. how can i use telnet module from my app[if its installed!] Mar 20 09:25:16 guess #webos is the right place to ask? Mar 20 10:42:48 where can I find the 1.4.5 sdk for linux? I started to install the 2.1 sdk and it started uninstalling the 1.4.5 sdk and I don't feel like 2.x does me any good since I have an older pre still Mar 20 10:43:27 It seems like there should be an "older version" link some where on the dev portal, but if it's there, I can't find it Mar 20 10:47:23 ahh, found it Mar 20 10:47:28 I better back this up Mar 20 12:48:45 rwhitby-pre: ping Mar 20 15:09:16 hey everyone Mar 20 15:09:28 ~seen rwhitby Mar 20 15:09:33 rwhitby <~rwhitby@nslu2-linux/rwhitby> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 8h 35m 1s ago, saying: 'most people in both channels follow precentral themselves'. Mar 20 15:09:54 ah, damn, I remember, he's on a plane flying to AU :S Mar 20 16:31:46 geist, ping Mar 20 16:45:14 sup Mar 20 17:06:54 yo Mar 20 17:07:45 my gps hasn't been working forever .. i disabled gps and trying to use wifi to get locatin / still nothihng Mar 20 17:07:50 im thinking of re-flashing Mar 20 17:10:02 any other ideas Mar 20 17:10:07 im gonna put 1.4.5 on here first Mar 20 17:10:18 then see if gps works .. then 2.1 on and see what happens Mar 20 17:11:22 joeb_, are you on 2.1 now? Mar 20 17:13:16 RagingMind: yes Mar 20 17:18:53 and you followed the steps at the bottom of the wiki update page? GPS is turned of by default on 2.1 for some reason Mar 20 17:21:20 yep its been on .. i have a toggle gps from preware .. then i have a mygps to test the gps Mar 20 17:21:24 let me look at wiki again Mar 20 17:23:30 maybe .. i didn't read the wiki .. i only had gps enabled .. thanks for teh catch RagingMind .. when first guide came out gps was working Mar 20 17:24:20 I fight with my GPS all the time... very annoying Mar 20 17:30:24 I am looking to buy a palm pre on ebay and was wondering if mobile hotspot can be used on the latest firmware Mar 20 17:30:27 on sprint Mar 20 17:31:57 Yoyo_: why not just use freetether? Mar 20 17:32:00 Yoyo_: you need testing feed for freetether .. Mar 20 17:32:26 I heard that sprint blocked freetether. Is this true? Mar 20 17:33:49 Yoyo_: feether is an app Mar 20 17:35:22 I heard sprint updated the firmware so it no longer works Mar 20 17:36:48 updated what firmware ? Mar 20 17:37:06 Yoyo_: when you updated to 2.1 or 1.4.5 your using palms stuff Mar 20 17:37:24 On the palm pre. Do you have a palm pre currently using the hotspot app? Mar 20 17:37:36 or there firmware .. then you just enable devloper mode / put the proper feed in preware and download freetether ? Mar 20 17:37:53 Yoyo_: no i can install it though ? Mar 20 17:38:31 is there a way to rollback the firmware to an earlier version? Mar 20 17:38:35 joeb_, lol where do u hear such things? Mar 20 17:38:44 ? Mar 20 17:39:00 sorry that was Yoyo_ Mar 20 17:39:04 I heard that sprint blocked freetether. Is this true? Mar 20 17:39:07 where would u get this iea Mar 20 17:39:08 idea Mar 20 17:39:19 will preware install a patch ipk on 2.1 that's marked for 2.0.1? Mar 20 17:39:52 A friend of mine said it was removed from the market or something like that Mar 20 17:40:30 Yoyo_: freetether was never in the market, only in preware Mar 20 17:40:33 Yoyo_: freetether is in preware Mar 20 17:40:56 So it currently works 100% correctly on the latest pre firmware? Mar 20 17:41:10 Yoyo_: im about to be on freeware Mar 20 17:41:11 one sec Mar 20 17:41:26 Lol did he just leave to go test it? Mar 20 17:43:45 Yoyo_, what do u mean firmware? Mar 20 17:44:01 do you mean OS? Mar 20 17:44:11 which would be 1.4.5 on sprint? Mar 20 17:44:13 yes Mar 20 17:44:25 I mean web os version Mar 20 17:44:26 it works on all webos versions >= 1.4.5 Mar 20 17:45:59 Is tethering speed affected by the age and processing power of the pre? I am on a samsung epic right now and was offered $310 for it so I want to sell it to upgrade to a new evo 3d when it comes out so I wanted to use a pre in the menatime Mar 20 17:50:53 no tethering speed is mostly depends on whether or not u are using bt or usb or wifi Mar 20 17:50:57 and the device u are connecting to Mar 20 17:51:03 and your cell coverage quality Mar 20 17:57:18 we really need a way to add files to /media/internal without putting the phone in offline mode Mar 20 17:58:15 dumbledore_: perhaps the open source novacom drivers could do this? Mar 20 17:58:38 or over ssh? Mar 20 17:58:54 "opensource novacom drivers"? Mar 20 17:59:09 did HPalm do that when I wasn't looking? Mar 20 18:00:12 I don;t think it was HPalm Mar 20 18:00:35 mgschu, got link? Mar 20 18:00:50 wait, google suggests it might just be an installer that's open-source Mar 20 18:00:58 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/278224-universal-novacom-installer-uni-v1-1-a.html Mar 20 18:05:19 and http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/278218-new-novacom-driver-installer.html - also installer Mar 20 18:08:54 intresting' Mar 20 18:10:43 dumbledore_: are you after a solution for yourself, or thinking more generally? Mar 20 18:17:00 generally, something that can benefit everyone Mar 20 18:17:46 but im still a nub at coding. i havent had much time to practice since im finishing up my senior year in highschool Mar 20 18:18:52 When the phone enters Mass Storage mode, /media/internal/ is unmounted Mar 20 18:19:35 This is probably very bad for users if they want to use the phone normally, so rather than having a bad experience, Palm has opted to have no experience. Sorta makes sense Mar 20 18:20:33 yeah Mar 20 18:21:27 but isnt /media/internal/ only accessed when you use an app that looks for files in that directory? Mar 20 18:23:25 Yep. Those apps would all draw a blank or throw up errors when usbms was used Mar 20 18:24:01 i see Mar 20 18:24:35 But you can mount /media/internal over ssh and it all works fine Mar 20 18:24:37 So perhaps a front end for ssh? Mar 20 18:24:45 possibly Mar 20 18:24:53 i never really ssh'd before Mar 20 18:24:59 dumbledore_, novatool can do that Mar 20 18:25:10 is there a wiki on how to use it Mar 20 18:25:30 not yet, sorta a pet project im working on Mar 20 18:25:47 still kinda buggy Mar 20 18:25:52 @ PuffTheMagic: an ssh front end? Mar 20 18:25:53 oh. i'd be glad to test Mar 20 18:26:01 mgschu, no Mar 20 18:26:07 no ssh is needed Mar 20 18:26:12 talks to novacomd Mar 20 18:27:04 what does it do? Mar 20 18:27:46 can i ssh via usb? Mar 20 18:28:45 dumbledore_: no need, you can send commands via novacom. Not sure if you can mount anything though. what os are you on? Mar 20 18:28:48 send/get files with native os file dialogs, options to open files directly or save to disk or preview, install packages, repair kernel, boot kernels, install preware, install novacom drivers Mar 20 18:28:51 it does a lot Mar 20 18:28:54 the virtual keyboard replaces the wave! Mar 20 18:29:20 mgschu: 2.1 Mar 20 18:29:38 RagingMind: I like the wave. Does vkb support spelling corrections? Mar 20 18:29:52 and the virtual keyboard just crashed my pre! Mar 20 18:29:54 *sigh* Mar 20 18:29:57 dumbledore_: I meant windows/mac/linux :) Mar 20 18:30:18 oh lol dualboot with windows/ubuntu Mar 20 18:31:25 Afternoon all Mar 20 18:31:58 Good morning Mar 20 18:32:14 good afternoon Mar 20 18:32:19 What is the highest temp any of you all have seen on a OCed phone? Mar 20 18:32:38 120f on my pixi Mar 20 18:33:02 How's it goin dumbledore_? Mar 20 18:33:18 pretty good, how about you? Mar 20 18:33:27 I had it at 61C (144F) before Mar 20 18:33:27 Good Mar 20 18:34:08 oh god Mar 20 18:34:17 that must be hot as ______ Mar 20 18:34:39 that's a good temperature... for steak Mar 20 18:34:46 Lol Mar 20 18:34:58 On a Pre- running at 1GHz Mar 20 18:35:06 I turned the speed down a little :p Mar 20 18:35:33 howd you get it that high? Mar 20 18:35:37 what apps did you have open Mar 20 18:35:44 Sprint nav Mar 20 18:35:48 Charging Mar 20 18:36:14 wow Mar 20 18:36:19 Yep Mar 20 18:36:24 And email/prewar Mar 20 18:36:32 S/prewar/preware/ Mar 20 18:36:46 Mine can easily get to 60C with HSPA use Mar 20 18:36:50 i've only had high temps with my pixi. never experienced anything hot with my pre. except for last night :3 Mar 20 18:36:58 I don't have very good signal Mar 20 18:37:30 I experience quite a few high temps Mar 20 18:37:38 >50C Mar 20 18:37:51 But overclocking has never really effected a high temperature for me Mar 20 18:38:30 mgschu: you have sprint? Mar 20 18:39:18 dumbledore_: GSM device Mar 20 18:39:21 Pre Minus on O2 Mar 20 18:40:01 oh Mar 20 18:40:07 nice Mar 20 18:40:20 does anyone happen to know what processor the pixi has Mar 20 18:41:53 I'm pretty sure wikipedia does Mar 20 18:42:21 heh, i wanna know its max processing speed Mar 20 18:43:10 the pre also has dual core? Mar 20 18:46:06 dumbledore_: Erm, I don't think so. Pre is omap 3430 Mar 20 18:46:33 i see Mar 20 18:47:08 im surprised to see the pixi had a dual core processor... i never really bothered to check cpu specs on a phone lol Mar 20 18:54:58 dumbledore_: uh, no, pixi, pre, pre+, pre2 are all single core. pixi is MSM7627 Mar 20 18:55:45 mmmmmm..... dual core pixi.... Mar 20 18:56:05 dumbledore_: pre, pre+, pre2 have a separate baseband processor on the comm board but that doesn't make it dual core. (since what matters is the application processor) Mar 20 19:08:29 rwhitby-pre: Did you have a chance to look at that patch for isoFS? I'd be interested in getting it into the kernel testing feeds. Mar 20 19:25:57 i can't connect to freether for the life of me Mar 20 19:26:32 so this is what i did .. i installed it .. i had wifi on .. i turned wifi on in freether .. and it turned off my wifi .. i turned wifi back on and i see that it has an ip address on the phone but my wifi on my computer wont see it Mar 20 19:26:36 any ideas ? Mar 20 19:27:35 i can't even change the security type in freetether Mar 20 19:33:49 joeb_: there's a bug in the wifi access point for freetether at the moment, it won't save security settings Mar 20 19:34:04 at the moment, USB tethering works very well but wifi tethering is really dicey Mar 20 19:34:07 and unsecured only Mar 20 19:34:41 also, if you are using wifi as your tethering interface, you can't stay connected to a wifi network with your pre Mar 20 19:34:50 you can only serve out your cellular data connection Mar 20 19:35:06 the pre's wireless chip isn't awesome enough to receive on one network and serve out another at the same time Mar 20 19:35:29 aw Mar 20 19:35:37 where is teh bug page for freetether ? Mar 20 19:36:13 brb let me connect with freetether Mar 20 19:44:46 hey, who submitted the update for Battery Icon and Vertical Percent Mar 20 19:45:25 I just had to deny it... Mar 20 19:45:47 when submitting a patch to the patch portal, only submit the .patch file (the text file). Our system will generate the IPK itself Mar 20 19:46:40 Is there a more formal way to submit kernel patches to webos-internals? So far I've been emailing Rod directly. Mar 20 19:46:55 no dice with freetether Mar 20 19:47:43 Error454, what kind of kernel patches are they? Mar 20 19:48:15 cryptk: In the past, a fix for the mass storage driver, now a modification of the default kernel config to include isoFS Mar 20 19:48:21 we don't really have a "Patch portal" for kernels Mar 20 19:48:47 it is cone by just commiting into a git repo, then our build system will trigger a new build when that repo is updated Mar 20 19:49:48 cryptk: For the kernels how does that work? Does it trigger a testing-feed build and then do you guys sign-off builds as gold at some point? Mar 20 19:50:20 joeb_: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/freetether btw Mar 20 19:50:25 separate repos Mar 20 19:50:47 main kernel work is done in the normal kernel repos, then we have a way to flag a certain build as good Mar 20 19:51:16 and technically the git commits don't trigger the build... instead the builder runs automatically every so often Mar 20 19:51:25 but it will skip over things if there is nothing new to build Mar 20 19:51:43 The git repro isn't world writable, correct? Mar 20 19:53:03 i.e. http://git.webos-internals.org/kernels/patches.git Mar 20 19:54:07 I'm happy to commit myself, otherwise would like to get the patch in through someone who has write access. Mar 20 19:55:55 How's everyone? Mar 20 19:56:05 yeah, our git repos are not world writable Mar 20 19:56:18 they are managed with gitosis (just like any good git repo should be) Mar 20 19:57:54 Well here is the patch: http://pastebin.com/5F95kwxA I've already emailed it to Rod but I know you folks have normal lives, so whoever is able to check it out. I've tested it on my ATT Pre Plus on 2.1.0 and it works as desired. Mar 20 20:00:34 Error454, you should make an ipk that builds that module out of tree and installs just the module Mar 20 20:00:37 instead of a kernel patch Mar 20 20:00:58 err Mar 20 20:01:06 yeah, looks like this is just setting CONFIG_UDF_FS=y and CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y Mar 20 20:01:16 have autobuilder build the module out of tree and pacakge it as an ipk Mar 20 20:01:18 PuffTheMagic: Wouldn't that cause problems with new kernels system.map? Mar 20 20:01:27 depmod -a Mar 20 20:04:24 PuffTheMagic: Are there any existing homebrew patches that do this? Mar 20 20:05:47 Error454, we have one for AUFS Mar 20 20:05:59 you just need to build a module instead of a whole kernel Mar 20 20:06:44 That's fine, so for kernel patches that can be built/bundled as modules - that is preferable to building them into the kernel. Mar 20 20:07:21 what is the need for isoFS? Mar 20 20:07:33 have you connected a cd drive? Mar 20 20:07:42 Error454, indeed Mar 20 20:07:49 if you can do it as a module, then go that route Mar 20 20:08:11 cryptk: Where do I submit the patch once it is finished? I'd like to look at the process. Mar 20 20:08:17 patch/ipk Mar 20 20:08:36 MetaView: No, the pre is acting as a cd-drive Mar 20 20:09:27 ok, what's the use? you can boot a laptop over USB? Mar 20 20:09:33 MetaView: yes Mar 20 20:09:35 Error454, you would want to get a repo created for you, then your code go's in there Mar 20 20:09:46 then the makefile tells the autobuilder what to do Mar 20 20:10:04 Error454: kinda sick, but great :) Mar 20 20:10:06 then you would do it all by just commit your code to the repo... the autobuilder takes it from there Mar 20 20:10:21 when we get that all set, we can provide example make files Mar 20 20:10:33 to show you what the autobuilder needs Mar 20 20:11:11 cryptk: Ok, so it sounds like I need to wait for some back-end tasks to complete, anything I can do while I wait? Mar 20 20:11:52 start getting your stuff set up as if it were a git repo Mar 20 20:12:05 when Rod gets back (he is on a plane atm), we can address it with him Mar 20 20:12:15 Error454, it wouldnt be a patch Mar 20 20:12:22 so it is going to at a minimum be late tonight, but most likely tomorrow morning Mar 20 20:12:35 yeah, you would want to go ahead and get everything set up to build what you need as a module Mar 20 20:13:42 ok sounds good, I'll get my things in order Mar 20 20:17:41 yo Mar 20 20:17:54 Hay Mar 20 20:18:03 no way to select all in mail correct ? Mar 20 20:18:06 cryptk: So to be clear, would I be commiting a modified kernel config, or the built modules? Mar 20 20:18:39 All what joebpre? Mar 20 20:18:57 And which version? 2.1, 1.4.5 Mar 20 20:19:34 I'm on 2.1 all messages in inbox 1.4.5 can't do it eaither Mar 20 20:19:58 Email Mega Mix allowed you to mark all read/unread I believe Mar 20 20:22:38 hmm Mar 20 20:23:25 Error454, you would be commiting the module Mar 20 20:23:55 actually, you would be commiting the code required to build the module, and a Makefile that builds it Mar 20 20:24:44 "bulk" refiling/deleting of lots of mail is one of the jobs I still prefer my PC for Mar 20 20:25:07 Same here Mar 20 20:26:28 Error454, what you would likely be doing is commiting code into our kernel git repo, but you would be commiting the module stuff into it instead of the patch Mar 20 20:26:31 look at http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=tree;f=aufs;h=c47df8a73173c2ae4d64f68241ae5f32c98e8d90;hb=HEAD Mar 20 20:26:36 that's the aufs module repo Mar 20 20:28:12 cryptk: thanks Mar 20 20:28:59 Error454: cool idea, btw. carrying around a rescue Linux ISO on my pre would be super convenient Mar 20 20:29:37 wgreenhouse: yeah, it is going to be awesome, especially for netbooks that don't have cd-roms anyway. The only way it could be cooler is if you ran a pxe server on your pre. Mar 20 20:29:53 PatrickC_Pre2: it only does mark all as read Mar 20 20:29:58 Ah ok Mar 20 20:31:59 Error454: my netbook (hp mini 210) has a super awesome bios that actually even allows it to boot from SD Mar 20 20:32:07 that's how I ended up installing Debian on it Mar 20 20:32:18 Exhibition mode, where are you????? Mar 20 20:32:27 but yeah, netbook installs are often awkweard Mar 20 20:32:32 awkward even Mar 20 20:32:47 wgreenhouse: I'm not sure if my eee can do that, installing windows 7 on it was a pain Mar 20 20:39:07 afternoon.. has there been any progress with linphone? what would I need to do to test it with my asterisk box? Mar 20 20:39:17 (getting a copy wise) Mar 20 20:44:54 how do i get access to linphone? Mar 20 20:46:37 im trying to remove a patch and i get errors http://pastie.org/1693643 Mar 20 20:47:12 any ideas ? Mar 20 20:47:33 i restarted device/luna Mar 20 20:47:37 Trying to remove? Mar 20 20:47:47 yes .. i want to install some other stuff Mar 20 20:48:01 I'm not sure Mar 20 20:53:09 tried emergency patch removal Mar 20 20:53:14 ? Mar 20 20:53:32 or check the place of the file, there should be a backup file next to the altered file Mar 20 20:53:53 MetaView: like actually check teh location Mar 20 20:53:54 let me look Mar 20 20:54:22 Metaview: any idea where Exhibition mode is? I can't seem to find anything but the preferences.. Mar 20 20:54:36 Hay oil_pre Mar 20 20:54:56 hey Mar 20 20:55:06 you can launch it from the preferences or by putting it on a touchstone, no other way Mar 20 20:55:08 me hides Mar 20 20:55:12 .... Mar 20 20:55:13 How it goin? Mar 20 20:55:19 * halfhalo fails at typing today Mar 20 20:55:30 Benklop: I'm trying to edit some files for exhibition mode Mar 20 20:55:40 I should have said that, sorry Mar 20 20:55:42 where do patches go Mar 20 20:55:47 ah, sorry i was thinking too 'user' Mar 20 20:55:55 im looking in /usr/palm/applications Mar 20 20:55:55 Lol Mar 20 20:58:01 can i rm org.webosinternals.patches.email-email-mega-mix Mar 20 20:58:28 is it safe Mar 20 21:00:11 to late im restarting luna after the rm Mar 20 21:00:25 joeb_: it won't do any good Mar 20 21:00:37 deleting the directory won't unapply the patch Mar 20 21:02:25 anyay to get removed from my preware ? Mar 20 21:02:41 EPR? Mar 20 21:02:49 joeb_: yeah, use the GUI Mar 20 21:02:49 let me try Mar 20 21:09:13 joeb_: did you look into the email app? Mar 20 21:11:21 anybody in here know anything about how webos stores wifi profiles? Mar 20 21:11:58 i grabbed prefsDB.sl from /var/preferences/com.palm.wifi but im not sure what to do with a sql lite db Mar 20 21:13:04 trying to see if its possible to edit in wpa-enterprise config info into a stored wifi profile so i can avoid all the nonsense posted at the bottom of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Advanced_Wifi Mar 20 21:17:37 hmm doesn't look possible :( Mar 20 21:17:40 le sigh Mar 20 21:18:00 hp's really goin after enterprise users with webos, hoo boy Mar 20 21:21:17 webos's enterprise wiif support blows Mar 20 21:21:44 i need 802.11x support at school Mar 20 21:22:48 weird...my school uses 802.1x, I haven't had problems Mar 20 21:23:22 authenticated correctly on the first try Mar 20 21:24:37 PuffTheMagic: same here Mar 20 21:24:52 it just does not work with my schools encrypted network Mar 20 21:25:21 it works if you follow the instructions at the bottom of http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Advanced_Wifi Mar 20 21:25:34 but it's really annoying having to open a terminal every time i get on campus wifi Mar 20 21:25:47 bah Mar 20 21:25:55 thanks for th EPR Mar 20 21:26:05 still can't install waht i want but oh well Mar 20 21:29:22 What do you want to install? Mar 20 21:31:32 buttons to words Mar 20 21:32:09 Its there.. Isn't it? Mar 20 21:40:32 theres advanced wifi options? ;o Mar 20 21:50:05 Hi everybody ... can anybody tell me where I get the alpha of LinPhone for webOS? Thanks. Mar 20 21:51:00 been wondering the same thing thor968 Mar 20 21:58:54 okay so lets look at backup app Mar 20 21:59:45 thomaschaaf: well I doubt much of what we need is in the app itself. the app will likely just be calls to services (and _those_ we care about) and watching the network traffic back and forth is probably the best way to start Mar 20 22:03:32 can't we look at the code from services? Mar 20 22:05:19 Is rwhitby back from holidays? oilsworkn told me two days ago, that he is handling the stuff with linphone for webos. Mar 20 22:05:30 thomaschaaf: depends on if the service is binary or node.js Mar 20 22:05:55 if binary probably C or C++, in which case reverse engineering it is possible but can be tricky. Mar 20 22:06:05 d Mar 20 22:06:09 sniffing the service bus works too Mar 20 22:06:17 to see what calls are being made Mar 20 22:06:22 usr palm applications com.palm.service.backup Mar 20 22:06:25 but I think the traffic is going to be the most interesting Mar 20 22:06:38 usr palm services Mar 20 22:06:45 com.palm.service.backup Mar 20 22:07:20 nice, it's node Mar 20 22:07:34 most palm stuff is node nowadays Mar 20 22:07:50 heh // Poor implementation of an object equality check, but it'll do for now Mar 20 22:10:19 calls curl for a lot of stuff so you could replace curl with a wrapper of your own too to grab a lot of the traffic Mar 20 22:10:41 util system.js seems useful Mar 20 22:10:51 line 80 Mar 20 22:11:47 thomaschaaf: which version are you reading? Mar 20 22:13:18 2.1 release Mar 20 22:13:22 don't know what version Mar 20 22:19:37