**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 22 02:59:57 2011 Mar 22 03:24:45 night all Mar 22 03:28:31 night Mar 22 03:41:13 did i miss something that the novacom drivers simply stopped installing on os x? Mar 22 03:41:19 because i've tried EVERYTHING Mar 22 03:41:38 and it's getting really annoying Mar 22 03:41:45 particularly the lack of feedback from hp Mar 22 03:44:27 Aaron/Guest18866/arn what ARE you talking about? Mar 22 03:45:09 the novacom drivers from the sdk, multiple webosdoctor versions, and the unofficial driver installer won't go Mar 22 03:45:23 it simply errors out of the installation with no explanation Mar 22 03:45:42 using the appropriate java version, in developer mode, etc, etc Mar 22 03:45:45 i'm not new to this Mar 22 03:45:49 :> Mar 22 03:45:55 so an "unoffical" driver is what you are complaining about? Mar 22 03:46:00 ...no. Mar 22 03:46:10 did you read my comments? Mar 22 03:46:22 and the unofficial driver installer won't go Mar 22 03:46:52 yes, that came after i also mentioned that the installation of the drivers in the official sdk and several different webos doctor distributions failed Mar 22 03:47:17 it's also a "common" problem, in that people have reported it on the pre central forums and the palm developer forums Mar 22 03:47:24 to no apparent response Mar 22 03:47:25 Arn: It helps to mention you're on 10.7 Mar 22 03:47:33 i'm on 10.6.5 Mar 22 03:47:37 arn: a sudden common problem? Mar 22 03:47:46 Adora: it does seem confined to 2011, yes Mar 22 03:47:53 You need to fix the launchdaemons by appending .plist to them Mar 22 03:47:58 arn: that's not what your user info says :p Mar 22 03:48:04 different machine! ;p Mar 22 03:48:07 VERSION Colloquy 2.3 (4693) - Mac OS X 10.7 (Intel) Mar 22 03:48:23 we're looking in to the 10.7 issues, don't know about anything else Mar 22 03:48:28 SineOt: could you link to an explanation of the fix you're describing? Mar 22 03:48:30 okay, so when did you update last arn? Mar 22 03:48:39 so a software update on the mac? Mar 22 03:48:45 s/so/do/ Mar 22 03:48:46 ka6sox-home meant: do a software update on the mac? Mar 22 03:48:56 today Mar 22 03:48:58 I don't have one, I just played with it and went through the novacom installer's pre/post install scripts Mar 22 03:49:00 about an hour ago Mar 22 03:49:14 launchctl doens't like the lack of .plist on launchdaemons Mar 22 03:49:17 and you aren't on 10.6.6? Mar 22 03:49:24 oh wait Mar 22 03:49:28 yes, i'm sorry Mar 22 03:49:37 or 10.6.7? :P Mar 22 03:49:56 no, still 10.6.6 Mar 22 03:50:15 although now it sees 10.6.7 Mar 22 03:50:20 arn, okay so the device you are trying to talk to is on what version of webOS? Mar 22 03:50:26 1.4.11 Mar 22 03:50:31 1.4.1.1, rather Mar 22 03:50:38 okay so OLD version Mar 22 03:50:38 i'm trying to prep it for 2.1 Mar 22 03:50:43 yes Mar 22 03:51:10 okay that takes the OLD drivers fine...I've not tried something that old on the new drivers yet. Mar 22 03:51:31 From what arn said I think it's the install of Novacom that's failing, right? Mar 22 03:51:36 correct Mar 22 03:51:42 Pops a big useless error Mar 22 03:51:51 arn: in /Library/LaunchDaemons/ there should be a file called com.palm.novacomd Mar 22 03:51:53 does it exist? Mar 22 03:51:58 checkin' Mar 22 03:52:17 confirm Mar 22 03:52:26 ah hah Mar 22 03:52:33 no .plist suffix Mar 22 03:52:54 fixed Mar 22 03:53:33 arn, so what version of the drivers are you running now? Mar 22 03:53:37 add that and do... launchctl unload -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.palm.novacomd Mar 22 03:54:07 then try to do… sudo launchctl load -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.palm.novacomd.plist Mar 22 03:54:24 it -should- bring Novacomd up proper Mar 22 03:54:57 hrm Mar 22 03:55:06 if not you can just launch the binary :T Mar 22 03:55:26 launchctl: Error unloading: com.palm.novacomd Mar 22 03:55:26 which should be hanging out in /opt/palm/nova/novacomd Mar 22 03:55:33 of course, it has never been loaded Mar 22 03:55:40 okay, that basically just says that it wasn't loaded properly Mar 22 03:55:55 but better to make sure it's not loaded than to bring up another launchdaemon doing the same thing! Mar 22 03:55:59 boom Mar 22 03:56:01 loaded Mar 22 03:56:54 arn, which version of the novacom drivers are you using? Mar 22 03:56:56 is there a way to verify that it's loaded? Mar 22 03:57:04 ka6sox-home: i'm not sure Mar 22 03:57:19 actually, yes i am Mar 22 03:57:24 do you have a 2.x device? Mar 22 03:57:27 these came from the 1.4.5 webos doctor Mar 22 03:57:31 no, not yet Mar 22 03:57:38 just run novaterm Mar 22 03:57:42 it's a pre plus with 1.4.5 currently being installed Mar 22 03:57:52 if it bitches about being unable to connect to the server, it's not running Mar 22 03:57:58 if it says device not found, you're good to go Mar 22 03:58:07 unable to find device Mar 22 03:58:09 joy Mar 22 03:58:15 thanks much for the help :D Mar 22 03:58:39 what method did you use to install those drivers please? Mar 22 03:58:48 ie what URL did you follow. Mar 22 03:59:22 or did you simply run the doctor? Mar 22 04:01:54 I've seen this from simply running the doctor directly and also from running the package included within said doctor… I'm not sure where it popped up, but the installer failure message seems to be due to launchctl not liking the lack of .plist Mar 22 04:02:36 okay so what I need is the *exact* doctor he was using...that way we can feedback to HP whats broken. Mar 22 04:03:07 one sec Mar 22 04:03:35 ka6sox-home: I think it's more an Apple issue in that launchctl will complain of an "iffy file, not loading" if it's lacking .plist and is instead just a bare file name like com.palm.novacomd Mar 22 04:04:00 http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/preplus/p145r0d09132010/ver1z0np145rod/webosdoctorp101ewwverizonwireless.jar Mar 22 04:04:17 okay and its a vzw pre plus? Mar 22 04:04:21 yep Mar 22 04:04:27 arn, thanks Mar 22 04:04:30 np Mar 22 04:04:31 and 1.6.6 right? Mar 22 04:04:36 er 10.6.6 Mar 22 04:04:40 correct Mar 22 04:04:43 just to be clear arn: it's the OSX installer that's throwing an error, right? Mar 22 04:04:47 yeah Mar 22 04:05:31 oh good, 1.4.5 installed Mar 22 04:05:38 now i can see if it really works Mar 22 04:05:50 it should Mar 22 04:06:03 if not, running the novacomd binary from the terminal via sudo should launch it fine Mar 22 04:10:42 okie dokie, here we go Mar 22 04:11:10 arn, I've reported the issue to HP. Mar 22 04:11:19 with specifics. Mar 22 04:11:28 ka6sox-home: where do you report stuff like that? Mar 22 04:11:59 ah hah! Mar 22 04:12:00 there it goes Mar 22 04:12:15 weird to find out that plist bug exists on 10.6.6 too! Mar 22 04:12:19 what in the hell :C Mar 22 04:12:31 how funny that the webos doctor triggers software update Mar 22 04:12:47 that doesn't make sense. Mar 22 04:12:51 i know Mar 22 04:12:54 apps don't do that. Mar 22 04:12:57 ever. Mar 22 04:12:58 eh Mar 22 04:13:09 ka6sox-home: don't trigger software update? Mar 22 04:13:18 the jar file with the installation of the drivers could be causing it Mar 22 04:13:23 apps don't trigger software updates. Mar 22 04:13:28 um... Mar 22 04:13:43 apps can trigger the os x software update process Mar 22 04:13:51 :/ Mar 22 04:14:03 they can but I doubt that a jar will do that... Mar 22 04:14:09 well, no Mar 22 04:14:16 but the jar has several package installers Mar 22 04:14:42 okay so you are saying that the installers are triggering it? Mar 22 04:15:17 as in right now its doing a software update? Mar 22 04:15:36 well, it's not any longer, but yes Mar 22 04:15:58 the failed installation of the novacom drivers from the webos doctor reliably triggers the os x software update check Mar 22 04:16:02 are you sure its not a coincidence? Mar 22 04:16:09 i just made it happen three times Mar 22 04:16:33 okay, which doctor are you using NOW? Mar 22 04:17:32 lol Mar 22 04:17:45 build 297.285 Mar 22 04:17:56 this is almost assuredly not an hp bug Mar 22 04:19:26 brb Mar 22 04:20:09 so the bug is an OSX bug...not an HP bug...and somehow its HPs fault? Mar 22 04:20:43 sounds like it's a bug with driver installation in OSX Mar 22 04:20:56 I don't know where anyone said it was HP's fault :p Mar 22 04:21:08 nobody did Mar 22 04:21:49 [20:38] and it's getting really annoying Mar 22 04:21:49 [20:38] particularly the lack of feedback from hp Mar 22 04:22:43 for that, I think he meant more along the lines that it's been reported on the dev forums without any feedback Mar 22 04:22:50 when the issue is just sticking .plist on a pair of files Mar 22 04:23:12 if you are in the forums then I'd say put that feedback in there. Mar 22 04:26:39 yeah, trying to find the thread right now Mar 22 04:27:22 * ka6sox-home hates forums...you can NEVER find anything in them :P Mar 22 04:28:27 * oil hates when forums force you to enter 4 or more letters into your search query Mar 22 04:28:42 doesnt matter i want to search for "db8" or something like that :/ Mar 22 04:29:05 * halfhalo knows forum search sekr3ts Mar 22 04:30:31 well, I sure can't find the thread :T Mar 22 04:31:08 SineOt, since you know what the issue is would you mind putting it in our wiki? Mar 22 04:31:21 what the issue is, and how to fix it? Mar 22 04:31:23 sure Mar 22 04:31:32 thanks. Mar 22 04:33:45 ka6sox-home: where should I even put that? not quite sure where to stick it Mar 22 04:34:06 thats what... Mar 22 04:34:24 * SineOt punches oil Mar 22 04:34:44 * halfhalo got it on tape Mar 22 04:35:01 SineOt, lemme look. Mar 22 04:35:02 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover this page looks like the best fit for it Mar 22 04:35:06 does opt-sym-power do anything? Mar 22 04:35:07 what's tape? Mar 22 04:37:41 SineOt, thats the right place...can't find a better one. Mar 22 04:37:56 the verizon lady told me to hold opt-sym-power for 10 seconds Mar 22 04:38:36 power button is difficult like that cause the slider needs to be up, and it didn't seem to do anything at all Mar 22 04:43:12 RagingMind: it does a full wipe Mar 22 04:43:52 like selecting full wipe from the device menu? Mar 22 04:44:21 yeah Mar 22 04:44:32 but without the need to have a working screen Mar 22 04:44:40 hmm... full bars, but no data, and still can't sign into my profile Mar 22 04:44:53 wait... so you can just hold a pre and hit that... and poof! it's empty? Mar 22 04:45:12 no need for any confirmation Mar 22 04:45:31 yup Mar 22 04:46:01 so is anyone here familiar with what I fucked when I did an rtn reset? :( Mar 22 04:47:05 why'd you rtn reset it? :x Mar 22 04:48:20 ka6sox-home: added info on Novacom install failure and manually launching novacomd http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Mar 22 04:48:33 son of a bitch Mar 22 04:48:46 cause I was in the forum and it mentioned it as a way to reset modem stuff (I was playing with settings for my gps) Mar 22 04:48:46 i ran the metadoctor script without the wifi only flag Mar 22 04:48:54 am i now stuck? Mar 22 04:49:01 or can i use webosQI to get around this? Mar 22 04:49:03 and I didn't see anything that indicated it might screw me Mar 22 04:49:16 arn: just rebuild the doctor and redoctor it Mar 22 04:49:18 this is an inactive device Mar 22 04:49:24 …yeah Mar 22 04:49:28 i built it at work Mar 22 04:49:31 turn it off, hold volume up and plug it in and turn it on Mar 22 04:49:32 XD Mar 22 04:49:38 oh :p Mar 22 04:50:07 well, for now? try to make an emergency call, clear it out, and put in ##devmode# for CDMA and #*devmode# for GSM Mar 22 04:50:18 yeah, waiting for a reboot Mar 22 04:50:22 ah hah, there we go Mar 22 04:50:23 it'll at least be useable, but I'd still redoctor it so you can get to profile login Mar 22 04:51:26 hey anyone know howto easily set the colors in webos xterm? Mar 22 04:55:35 okay so other people in the forums are talking about an rtn reset and don't seem to be having my same issue Mar 22 04:58:00 keith: it's not webos xterm, it's just xterm. therefore, setting the colors is hard Mar 22 04:58:06 and requires editing a file like .Xresources Mar 22 05:00:07 well i say 'webos xterm' because last time i checked, no xrdb support was added yet. Mar 22 05:00:12 or compiled in anyways Mar 22 05:00:29 do you know if rwhitby added it? Mar 22 05:00:37 so stuff like .Xresources works, of course. Mar 22 05:01:52 dtzwill would probably know, too Mar 22 05:01:59 I'm not really sure by what magic the X server for our xterm works Mar 22 05:02:11 I thought it was rootless X+VNC client or some such Mar 22 05:02:24 but I know nothing about this :) Mar 22 05:02:35 ok then, so .Xresources dont work :P Mar 22 05:02:43 i think its x-server rootless with SDL xclient Mar 22 05:02:46 but i could be wrong, too Mar 22 05:02:53 ah yeah I think that's right Mar 22 05:03:28 SineOt: you added novacomd macosx troubleshuting info? Mar 22 05:03:36 wanderer2000: yes Mar 22 05:03:45 at least for the problems that I've run into personally Mar 22 05:03:50 does stop-novacomd work for you? Mar 22 05:05:22 okay... my phone activates just fine, but will not establish a data connection Mar 22 05:05:40 where can I look to see what's going wrong? doesn't the pre keep super details logs? Mar 22 05:05:59 wanderer2000: does it spit out "launchctl: Couldn't stat("/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.palm.novacomd"): No such file or directory" Mar 22 05:06:36 macosx version? Mar 22 05:07:15 er, yes, since you just asked me if I added OSX novacomd stuff :p Mar 22 05:08:17 where do you download from your novacomd? i want to try it on my mac Mar 22 05:08:48 it's included in any of the webos doctors Mar 22 05:10:06 cat /opt/nova/bin/stop-novacomd ? Mar 22 05:10:29 sudo launchctl unload -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.palm.novacomd Mar 22 05:10:36 it's just a single launchctl unload command :p Mar 22 05:11:06 yeah, i just tried regular novacomd and it works on my 10.6.6 Mar 22 05:11:31 there's apparently some issues with launchctl where it rejects launchdaemons without the .plist extension Mar 22 05:11:42 which is the cause of a lot of problems apparently Mar 22 05:12:33 and you collected your novacom installation from which doctor revision? Mar 22 05:13:49 so many people using rtn reset to fix their data problems... and of course it gave me my problems :( Mar 22 05:22:44 from the 2.1 Pre2 doctor Mar 22 05:39:54 SineOt: i don't know what palm/apple changed recently. Mar 22 05:40:16 launchctl hates lack of .plists apparently Mar 22 05:40:19 no idea when that changed Mar 22 05:40:40 SineOt: i just checked on my 10.6.6 and it works without any hate Mar 22 05:41:12 arn was in earlier having issues with it… and I know that some 'later' versions will refuse to load files lacking .plist Mar 22 05:42:04 huh, i have todays 10.6.7 pending... what is your osx version? Mar 22 05:42:45 later than that :p Mar 22 05:48:14 yeah, sure. 11. Mar 22 05:48:31 do you know how to use Console in mac? Mar 22 05:50:11 yes Mar 22 05:50:32 it should tell exactly what error is. Mar 22 06:26:49 RagingMind: Jack87|Away had a similar problem with a reset and ended up reflashing his modem to fix it IIRC Mar 22 06:27:21 RagingMind: with the instructions now on the wiki Mar 22 07:52:08 destinal, that's what I wanted to do at first, but with both the 2.1 doc and the 1.4.5 doc I saw that it said a forced update on the modem Mar 22 07:56:37 rwhitby: Thanks, worked Mar 22 10:08:21 Hey. I had a Problem by accessing the Database in WebOs 2.1 -.- Anyone had a tutorial? I need it to script a sms counter. Mar 22 13:27:11 morning all Mar 22 13:56:43 good afternoon PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 22 13:57:37 morning hape :) Mar 22 14:06:50 so... anyone currently doctoring their phone? Mar 22 14:07:43 why? Mar 22 14:07:45 done last weekend, wy do you ask? Mar 22 14:07:53 did mine last week Mar 22 14:07:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 well, a few days ago Mar 22 14:09:39 what you tryin to do RagingMind? Mar 22 14:10:15 after the phone activates on the network but before palm profile log in, there's an easy way to get to the dialer Mar 22 14:10:30 and I"m wondering if it's possible to make a regular phone call Mar 22 14:10:45 don't think so Mar 22 14:10:47 2.x? Mar 22 14:11:07 I called tech support that way, but I get a strange message from verizon if I try to dial a regular number Mar 22 14:11:20 PatrickC_Pre2, 1.x or 2.x either way is easy Mar 22 14:12:30 on 2.x I believe you an put into the dialer "##3386633" Mar 22 14:13:03 but put another "#" at the end :o Mar 22 14:13:06 lol Mar 22 14:13:16 that is ##DEVMODE# Mar 22 14:13:22 I believe that's what it is Mar 22 14:14:09 PatrickC_Pre2, I"m not talking about devmode. Mar 22 14:14:42 I'm talking about a regular phone call. it seems to let me make them, but I get a strange message from verizon Mar 22 14:15:00 I need to know if that's normal or if the call should go through Mar 22 14:15:42 that I don't know Mar 22 14:26:09 hi, is there some free tool to talk to bootie ? like for instance from a computer? Mar 22 14:26:20 s/free/FLOSS/ Mar 22 14:26:20 GNUtoo|bug20 meant: hi, is there some FLOSS tool to talk to bootie ? like for instance from a computer? Mar 22 14:31:01 don't know? Mar 22 14:33:22 ok Mar 22 14:33:32 there is precomm Mar 22 14:33:37 s/?/../ Mar 22 14:33:38 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: don't know.. Mar 22 14:33:46 but I'm not sure it can talk to bootie Mar 22 14:33:49 ok Mar 22 14:34:10 bootie being? Mar 22 14:34:27 I'm still new to the SW side of electronics Mar 22 14:34:40 I'm more familiar with HW then SW Mar 22 14:34:46 it's the boot loader on the pre Mar 22 14:34:59 ok Mar 22 14:38:21 the bootloader Mar 22 14:54:49 anyone in need of a cheap Pixi Plus? Mar 22 14:57:40 * GNUtoo|bug20 doesn't like msm/qsd soc a lot for GNU/linux Mar 22 15:04:12 heyho! Mar 22 15:04:49 hayo Mar 22 15:37:12 GNUtoo|bug20: you may want to look at the guides for membooting, there might be something to do with bootie there Mar 22 15:38:38 ok Mar 22 15:38:47 thanks Mar 22 15:39:34 but otherwise I don't know much about it Mar 22 15:40:30 ok Mar 22 15:41:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot uses novacomm....not pecomm....hmmm Mar 22 15:41:37 GNUtoo|bug20: yeah, prefer OMAP, but it looks like all the future webos devices will be msm based Mar 22 15:41:50 yes I know Mar 22 15:42:00 I hope their sound driver will be good enough Mar 22 15:42:03 which leaves just pre/pre+/pre2 for omap Mar 22 15:44:35 GNUtoo|bug20: the precom OSS reimplementation of novacom hasn't been worked on for quite a while. the easiest thing to do at the moment is use the novacom drivers and access the ports set up by those drivers with your OSS software. a good example of a currently in-development (not yet production release) tool that takes this approach is http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=python/novatool.git Mar 22 15:45:18 it also takes the approach of doing a web based download of the novacom drivers as needed Mar 22 15:46:19 FF4 officially released today Mar 22 15:46:21 destinal, yes the last real commits dates from 2009 Mar 22 15:47:33 GNUtoo|bug20: is depending on the palm novacom drivers to be installed a reasonable solution for you like in novatool? Mar 22 15:47:52 as I'm a free software person I was more interested on having no non-free software running on my computers, Mar 22 15:48:10 not to mention that I bet that novacomm won't work on arm Mar 22 15:48:40 GNUtoo|bug20: err, wait. an arm client? linux netbook or something? Mar 22 15:48:52 bug20 Mar 22 15:49:05 basically a bit like a beagleboard Mar 22 15:49:11 but more modular Mar 22 15:51:20 GNUtoo|bug20: ah, this board http://www.buglabs.net/products Mar 22 15:51:26 GNUtoo|bug20: had never seen it before Mar 22 15:51:28 yes Mar 22 15:51:43 I've the bugview module Mar 22 15:51:54 so I've a display attached to it Mar 22 15:52:16 while it supports usb, I currently use bluetooth keyboard and mouse: less cables on the desktop Mar 22 15:52:26 definately need to redoctor my phone Mar 22 15:53:11 GNUtoo|bug20: so you're using bug as a workstation and want to control bootie (perhaps, boot a custom kernel) on a pre or pixi? Mar 22 15:53:36 for now, yes I'm using that as workstation Mar 22 15:53:43 and I will get a palm pre 2 Mar 22 15:53:54 but I need to find a way to control it Mar 22 15:53:58 be it kexec Mar 22 15:54:01 or something like that Mar 22 15:54:40 it's for helping morphis to port SHR on it Mar 22 15:55:49 (my laptop makes way too much noise, so I use the bug20 with the laptop in another room, which compiles trough ssh) Mar 22 15:56:12 (bug20--ssh-->laptop) Mar 22 15:57:03 GNUtoo|bug20: so it sounds like precomd may be the best way to go for you to get access to the novacom on a device. (either bootie or the novacomd running in webos with devmode on) Mar 22 15:57:34 yes but it doesn't address the fact that I don't want non-free software on my laptop Mar 22 15:57:38 there is a solution tough Mar 22 15:57:41 it works for some purposes and bpadalino is the primary developer of it so may be able to answer questions Mar 22 15:57:42 the use of a livecd Mar 22 15:57:57 GNUtoo|bug20: no, I mean precomd is OSS reimplementation of novacom Mar 22 15:57:57 and novacomm running on the livec Mar 22 15:58:18 ah ok sorry I read too fast Mar 22 15:58:41 basically the device won't run webos either Mar 22 15:58:42 palm/hp should open-source novacom Mar 22 15:59:02 indeed, android has apache-2 licensed tools Mar 22 15:59:14 for instance adb,fastboot,mkbootimg etc... Mar 22 15:59:34 and while they compile within the android environment Mar 22 15:59:45 GNUtoo|bug20: sure but you could use webos long enough to replace the kernel or you can boot the installer image (basically a rescue like image bootloaded to the device over novacom when the webos installer "webos doctor" sets it up Mar 22 15:59:47 some people ported them to GNU/Linux with autotools etc... Mar 22 15:59:56 I know it's not the first time this has come up either Mar 22 16:00:34 GNUtoo|bug20: and an ubuntu live usb image with the palm sdk may be handy too then you can remove it and not contaminate your laptop :) Mar 22 16:00:36 or I could use a livecd+novacomm just to install a kexec thing Mar 22 16:00:54 and then boot the kernel from tftp,nfs or something like that Mar 22 16:00:59 Loudergood, did you already doctor? Mar 22 16:01:06 not yet Mar 22 16:01:30 destinal, that ccaan work as a short term solution, but at some point I'll go on hollidays...and will have only 1 computer Mar 22 16:01:32 it's my vzw pre+ with 2.1, I know I need to re do it Mar 22 16:01:57 many nice changes have been made to the meta doc since I did it Mar 22 16:02:03 or there is a third solution.... Mar 22 16:02:12 replace the bootloader Mar 22 16:02:16 yes Mar 22 16:02:16 with the help of pusb Mar 22 16:02:28 it needs serial tough to get output messages I bet Mar 22 16:02:54 and morphis didn't reverse it yet,even if I told him how to do Mar 22 16:03:03 so maybe I'll have to do that Mar 22 16:03:07 GNUtoo|bug20: I've seen a hack by one of the nookcolor guys that uses the PMIC on the device to reroute TTL serial to the physical USB port pins Mar 22 16:03:07 Loudergood, thinking you might doctor it today? Mar 22 16:03:18 GNUtoo|bug20: I don't think anyone has done it for the pre yet Mar 22 16:03:19 destinal, wow Mar 22 16:03:28 yeah, I've got the rest of the day "off" Mar 22 16:03:54 Loudergood, and on vzw? perfect :) can I ask a small favor of you when you do? Mar 22 16:04:01 no problem Mar 22 16:04:19 after you doctor and your phone boots... it'll activate on the network Mar 22 16:04:40 right Mar 22 16:04:52 *after* activation but *before* palm profile login, can you hit ## on your keyboard, bring up the dialer, and call a regular phone number? Mar 22 16:05:05 GNUtoo|bug20: you could also do serial over USB but that's less useful since you miss early printk's Mar 22 16:05:15 I don't see why not Mar 22 16:05:22 Loudergood, thanks :) Mar 22 16:05:42 what are you looking for? Mar 22 16:05:55 I'm kinda stuck in limbo at the moment, and trying to figure out what'd sticking me there before I go to "official" channels like verizon or palm for support Mar 22 16:06:32 I did an rtn reset on my phone and now it'll activate on a network, but I can't get a data connection so I can't log into my palm profile Mar 22 16:06:43 GNUtoo|bug20: at any rate probably porting u-boot is the way to go and that would be pretty involved, wouldn't it? Is that something you feel like tackling? other option is to do a kernel that gets loaded by bootie kexec's like you suggested Mar 22 16:07:04 uboot or barebox Mar 22 16:07:21 I can make calls to special verizon numbers, and yesterday when I tried calling a regular phone I got a weird message about (voice, so from verizon) about not being able to authenticate my phone :( Mar 22 16:07:34 altough barebox lacks ttyACM stuff (g_serial) for omap Mar 22 16:08:29 GNUtoo|bug20: I'd be very interested in this effort, I have a lot of pre and pre+ devices laying around that I'd like to do other things with besides webos (or dual boot into other linux versions etc) Mar 22 16:08:59 there is SHR Mar 22 16:09:11 other linux versions meaning? like Ubuntu or something? Mar 22 16:09:17 according to morphis it's nearly usable Mar 22 16:09:37 PatrickC_Pre, ubuntu is not verry obtimized for phones, SHR is Mar 22 16:10:03 and you can make calls, receive sms etc...with it thanks to morphis's incredible work on modem Mar 22 16:10:07 GNUtoo|bug20: ah, they're currently using an init hack to dual pivot with the same kernel I think Mar 22 16:10:13 yes Mar 22 16:10:19 but their setup needs novacom Mar 22 16:10:37 ah ok Mar 22 16:10:45 hmmm Mar 22 16:11:06 GNUtoo|bug20: then precomd is probably the easiest "right" way to make the solution open source Mar 22 16:11:19 yes but can it talks to the bootloader? Mar 22 16:11:27 morphis was unsure on that Mar 22 16:11:34 yeah, the bootloader speaks the same protocol as the userland novacomd Mar 22 16:11:43 wow Mar 22 16:11:54 then it would be possible for me to help Mar 22 16:12:35 the text mode stuff should work already, though you may not be able to send a boot image to the bootloader yet with precomd, it may need some work Mar 22 16:12:43 easier than porting a new bootloader though Mar 22 16:14:10 ok Mar 22 16:14:22 some people started porting xloader then abandonned Mar 22 16:14:34 they got it to show something on lsusb Mar 22 16:15:11 wow, I hadn't heard that Mar 22 16:15:48 was rwhitby the only one who delt with compiling Mplayer from webos-internals? Mar 22 16:16:40 GNUtoo|bug20: mainly I've heard that bootie may initialize some hardware so the kernel doesn't, which would mean that there would be some low level hardware interface work to be figured out Mar 22 16:16:59 and I don't personally know how to write ARM thumb code :) Mar 22 16:18:01 ok Mar 22 16:18:08 yes some code is in assembly Mar 22 16:18:18 and durinig initialization Mar 22 16:18:31 you jump several times from assembly to C to assembly Mar 22 16:18:34 bbl Mar 22 16:19:19 I don't know thumb or neon either but I know plain arm Mar 22 16:19:28 and it's only a board Mar 22 16:19:30 GNUtoo|bug20: I know PuffTheMagic was working on the kexec approach and had some trouble Mar 22 16:19:32 not a soc Mar 22 16:19:36 soc is already supported Mar 22 16:19:37 ah ok Mar 22 16:19:41 I know him Mar 22 16:19:45 trough irc Mar 22 16:19:53 hi PuffTheMagic Mar 22 16:20:31 GNUtoo|bug20: he's also worked with x-loader and uboot before to try to get them going at some point as well Mar 22 16:20:55 sup Mar 22 16:21:09 hay PuffTheMagic Mar 22 16:21:11 destinal, i havent tried kexec since fso said they got it working Mar 22 16:21:22 ok Mar 22 16:21:25 ah Mar 22 16:21:58 too many damn projects Mar 22 16:22:05 I know the feeling Mar 22 16:22:07 about xloader, it was abandoned right? Mar 22 16:22:12 but is there the code somewhere? Mar 22 16:22:14 not really Mar 22 16:22:18 just put on side burner Mar 22 16:22:25 bpadalino: ping, re precomd Mar 22 16:22:39 xloader/uboot/uboot2 Mar 22 16:22:52 ok Mar 22 16:23:18 why? Mar 22 16:24:04 because I will get a pre and I've not decided if I'll use it or forward to a developper that would do bettter than me Mar 22 16:24:20 use means help morphis Mar 22 16:24:27 to port SHR on it Mar 22 16:25:58 the pre hardware has always kinda felt so-so to me, I have one just for webOS. the whole run-something-else strikes me as an interesting curiosity, but much more Mar 22 16:27:17 RagingMind: you don't understand how rare solid unlocked ~3g phones with linux source code and no cryptographic bootloaders are Mar 22 16:27:37 there is the pre Mar 22 16:27:40 and the n900 Mar 22 16:27:46 that's all Mar 22 16:27:47 and the Pre2 Mar 22 16:28:02 pre = pre/pre-plus/pre-2 Mar 22 16:28:11 that would fall under the Pre moniker broheim Mar 22 16:28:12 there is also the freerunner Mar 22 16:28:15 but it's old Mar 22 16:28:23 and the N900 is kind of a joke :I Mar 22 16:28:26 yeah, I looked at freerunner, it was old tech even when it came out Mar 22 16:28:30 and the android devices are kind of problematic Mar 22 16:29:06 the Freerunner seems like it was designed just to appease people who are the RMS of cellphones :p Mar 22 16:29:10 SineOt: N900 is ok, resistive touchscreen so no multitouch but very very similar to pre hardware Mar 22 16:29:21 n900 is great Mar 22 16:29:31 yeah, pretty comparable to pre hardware but running basically...Debian Mar 22 16:29:35 it's really that bad to find phones to hack away at so easily even when you give up on the software that comes on them? that's sad Mar 22 16:29:48 hay wgreenhouse Mar 22 16:30:05 wgreenhouse: heh, well you can run what you like on it, that's the point of what we're talking about, open linux phones Mar 22 16:30:08 yay debian :) Mar 22 16:30:20 destinal: indeed Mar 22 16:30:27 Amazon: Mar 22 16:30:31 hey, I like Debian Mar 22 16:30:35 dropping that much to get an N900 just to get paired with a resistive screen just seems... dumb Mar 22 16:30:42 Nokia N900 Unlocked Phone/Mobile Computer Mar 22 16:30:47 I still want a "Debian" button on my pre... that'll load up X with a window manager and a set of apps Mar 22 16:31:05 SineOt: well, it's natural that telcos would want to subsidize certain phones so that ones that restrict your activities are cheaper :) Mar 22 16:31:08 RagingMind: sounds like SFR may be interesting to you then Mar 22 16:31:14 err SHR Mar 22 16:31:15 nobody wanded to bundle up with maemo Mar 22 16:31:19 32GB... not bad Mar 22 16:31:30 destinal, I want it to run as a card inside my webos though Mar 22 16:31:33 yeah, I've been wondering if the uh... Man, I can't remember the name of it! Mar 22 16:31:42 The other "open" OS that can get dual booted on the Pre Mar 22 16:31:49 someone was talking about it in here a few weeks ago Mar 22 16:31:57 RagingMind, also it's rather the other way arround, people comming from the openmoko background want more recent phones to hack on and to be hackalbe Mar 22 16:31:57 SineOt, SHR Mar 22 16:32:20 It lets you dualboot webOS and SHR, doesn't it? Mar 22 16:32:28 dual init, but yes Mar 22 16:32:39 RagingMind: yeah, there aren't a lot--most Android devices are heavily locked down Mar 22 16:32:48 and most Android OEMs break the GPL when it comes to their kernel source Mar 22 16:32:49 GNUtoo|bug20: I strongly hope that HP will continue the palm tradition of no cryptographic locks on the bootloader Mar 22 16:32:51 sadly Mar 22 16:32:57 couldn't you... dual boot/init two builds of webos? Mar 22 16:33:09 GNUtoo|bug20: not sure if MSM has anything like OMAP where you can boot over USB Mar 22 16:33:24 like in pusb Mar 22 16:33:25 it ddoes Mar 22 16:33:31 destinal, I did see somewhere that more crypto options were coming in future webos... for enterprise security or something Mar 22 16:33:32 but it's not freely documented Mar 22 16:33:47 bbs Mar 22 16:33:51 I did mdev -s Mar 22 16:33:56 so I"m kinda curious how that'll be implemented and what else it brings with it Mar 22 16:33:57 and lost /dev/null Mar 22 16:34:15 I think it was a product page for pre3/veer/touchpad that I was looking at Mar 22 16:34:49 ouch, that sounds serious Mar 22 16:35:12 losing /dev/null or ...? Mar 22 16:35:15 yeah Mar 22 16:35:19 RagingMind: I hope they come, because I can think of at least 1 killer app that would probably never show up without them! Mar 22 16:35:28 Netflix has a huge stick up their ass now about on device security Mar 22 16:35:36 RagingMind: the crypto for enterprise security is probably not bootloader stuff Mar 22 16:36:25 there are new VPN support options recently, maybe there will be more, and hopefully they're going to do more to support 802.11x etc Mar 22 16:36:32 err 802.1x Mar 22 16:36:55 my hands want to add the extra 1, force of habit :) Mar 22 16:37:32 yeah there are some new enterprise wpa features that I'm finding quite useful in 2.1 Mar 22 16:38:03 I'm replacing my router soon so I can more easily do vpn at home Mar 22 16:38:24 and cause my router is a POS Mar 22 16:38:55 I've been pretty happy with my FCC White Box haha Mar 22 16:39:11 before I upgraded I was stuck using phone on the guest wifi on campus..which sucks Mar 22 16:39:25 does vpnc (ships with 2.1) work with general ipsec tunneling or only cisco? Mar 22 16:40:05 I really wish they had a juniper client Mar 22 16:42:30 vpnc works with a bunch of stuff i thought Mar 22 16:43:16 the GUI only offers Cisco Any Connect and VPNC IPSEC Mar 22 17:11:57 anyone on here get ooo running on their pre? Mar 22 17:12:03 if so, how hard is it Mar 22 17:12:18 the pre doesn't run an X server Mar 22 17:12:22 I watched a vid of someone who did it. but they didn't show how they did it Mar 22 17:12:40 summatusmentis: the Pre can run a rootless X server Mar 22 17:12:45 and access it with an SDL xclient Mar 22 17:12:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JsulCV4nEQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player Mar 22 17:12:58 it can also run a chroot debian system and plug into it with VNC Mar 22 17:13:24 wgreenhouse: oh? last I heard was that running an X server would require some sort of jailing of the system Mar 22 17:13:24 PatrickC_Pre2: I don't know why you would want this, though Mar 22 17:13:26 summatusmentis, there is an x server Mar 22 17:13:28 OOO is terrible Mar 22 17:13:33 summatusmentis: nope Mar 22 17:13:38 erroneous info Mar 22 17:13:41 ok, I stand corrected. Mar 22 17:13:44 ignore me Mar 22 17:13:45 its better then nothing :p Mar 22 17:13:56 PatrickC_Pre2: for what exactly? Mar 22 17:14:01 :-P Mar 22 17:14:07 its practically MSOffice for my pre Mar 22 17:14:13 powerpoint etc. Mar 22 17:14:32 I can't imagine running OO.o on the pre screen Mar 22 17:14:32 "here, let me bring this up on my pre" Mar 22 17:14:37 :: an hour passes :: Mar 22 17:14:41 it's more like, shitty powerpoint on your pre Mar 22 17:14:42 "its almost open..." Mar 22 17:14:47 "shit, my battery died" Mar 22 17:14:58 PatrickC_Pre2, why not abiword? Mar 22 17:15:05 I love abiword Mar 22 17:15:08 PatrickC_Pre2: if you feel like sitting there for minutes to load up a bad office suite that isn't optimized for a touchscreen interface (and will thus be impossible to use), be my guest :-P Mar 22 17:15:10 abiword should run out of the box under SHR Mar 22 17:15:14 I'll be whipping out my netbook Mar 22 17:15:30 GNUtoo|bug20, does abiword work that well on such a small screen? Mar 22 17:15:38 it'd have to work better than OOO does Mar 22 17:15:40 fewer buttons Mar 22 17:15:46 gnutoo|bug20, I never heard of that Mar 22 17:15:51 looking it up now Mar 22 17:15:53 I think so, I should look Mar 22 17:16:13 the problem is rather a different one Mar 22 17:16:19 abiword needs X Mar 22 17:16:28 so you'll need SHR Mar 22 17:17:05 and that requires a dual-boot phone.... Mar 22 17:17:07 GNUtoo|bug20, no... there's an x server for the pre Mar 22 17:17:08 doesn't it? Mar 22 17:17:20 ah ok Mar 22 17:17:21 it uses SDL to draw, and it pops up as a card Mar 22 17:17:38 Yeha. Few hours ago, nobody gives me a answer. :( Can now anybody explain me, how I access the Database on WebOS 2.1. Some Tutorial? Mar 22 17:18:07 DasLampe: which "database?" this isn't Android... Mar 22 17:18:29 I can assume that it's the system wide db8 database Mar 22 17:18:29 DasLampe, if this is for app development, I'd suggest #webos Mar 22 17:18:40 Oh ok ... sorry. ;) Mar 22 17:19:19 I join the other channel. ;) Mar 22 17:19:23 if it's for using it in ways not intended for submission to palm... then periodically asking again here would work Mar 22 17:19:45 lol Mar 22 17:38:00 does anyone find that their Pre's GPS "creeps" randomly in a direction a few seconds/minutes after acquiring a fix? Mar 22 17:39:11 I'm on an AT&T Pre+ Mar 22 17:39:23 Nah, but I've seen it where it travels through time! Mar 22 17:40:12 mine keeps sending me up the street and then correcting itself, as I sit here Mar 22 17:40:32 cool Mar 22 17:40:40 now you are 2 places at once :) Mar 22 17:43:02 wgreenhouse, that sounds like a reception issue Mar 22 17:44:00 RagingMind: possibly, I am inside Mar 22 17:44:08 it was doing it on the bike trail earlier today too, though Mar 22 17:44:11 anyone else experiencing horrid pre2 battery issues Mar 22 17:44:14 Um... yeah... GPS doesn't like walls Mar 22 17:44:47 sounds like just general GPS oddities Mar 22 17:44:54 yeah, it was more drastically wrong when I was biking in the park Mar 22 17:44:58 GPS is weird and it's a pain in the ass to explain it to people sometimes :p Mar 22 17:45:47 what's GPS? Mar 22 17:45:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 hehe Mar 22 17:45:57 a bunch of clocks Mar 22 17:46:00 basically Mar 22 17:46:06 lol Mar 22 17:46:19 clocks in space, trying to compensate for relativistic effects of being higher in the Earth's gravity well :-P Mar 22 17:46:24 GPS is nifty and if I ever go to grad school I'd be working with it a LOT Mar 22 17:46:42 I tried to explain GPS jamming and it was like running my head through a brick wall :I Mar 22 17:46:43 what do you mean "if" lol Mar 22 17:46:45 CLOCKS....IN....SPACE! Mar 22 17:46:56 :) Mar 22 17:47:49 yeah, I think the best accuracy from GPS you can ever hope for in a million years is down to like 13cm in any direction Mar 22 17:48:55 tell that to the surveyors using GPS equipment.... Mar 22 17:49:10 * PatrickC_Pre2 had his GPS get him within 12cm Mar 22 17:49:19 SineOt, I"ve gotten a lot better than that Mar 22 17:49:22 theoretically down to 13cm :p Mar 22 17:49:28 not with my pre, that's for sure Mar 22 17:50:36 my degree is in geophysics and there are time (like gravity surveys) where 13cm just isn't acceptable Mar 22 17:51:21 yeah, but in stuff like that I'm sure you'd be augmenting GPS with other things like AWAS or whatever and actual survey stuff Mar 22 17:51:43 GLONASS Mar 22 17:54:01 anyone checked their download speeds over wifi on the pre2? Mar 22 17:54:04 yeah... the virt was about 13 cm, but the horizontal was a cm or 2. we used the horrible wobbly sticks for virt :( Mar 22 17:54:07 mine seemed kinda high Mar 22 17:54:26 wobbly sticks... and I'm thinking of grad school? heh Mar 22 17:54:32 haha Mar 22 17:54:37 man, now I can't find it :< Mar 22 17:55:17 it was talking about issues where there was a lower limit for accuracy due to fluctuations in travel time due to atmospheric conditions you couldn't accurately detect and adjust for Mar 22 17:55:43 I think it's kind of funny that a laser designed to shoot down satellites is working as one of the most accurate ground based telescopes right now Mar 22 17:55:49 it's been years, I don't remember exactly what we did Mar 22 17:56:42 ah, here we go Mar 22 17:56:49 apparently I was half right XD Mar 22 17:57:17 Unless you have pretty advanced hardware or decryption keys, you're limited to about 10-13cm at best Mar 22 17:57:52 we had several thousand dollar things that went in backpacks and had a big antenna on a stick Mar 22 17:58:18 yeah, and those were probably reading on both GPS frequencies to correct for travel time shifts Mar 22 17:58:45 ~TIME SHIFTS~ Mar 22 18:00:29 someone didn't believe me that you could force GPS to be horribly inaccurate, and that the system was always totally 100% correct :V Mar 22 18:00:31 2.82 MB download on the pre2 :) Mar 22 18:00:39 you call that fast? :T Mar 22 18:00:49 when the desktop has 3mb Mar 22 18:00:51 yes Mar 22 18:00:58 hah Mar 22 18:01:00 yeah true Mar 22 18:01:06 I'm out in the sticks :p Mar 22 18:01:27 and the desktop is a 3GHz machine.. (yea I know.. slow) Mar 22 18:01:29 our Time Warner cable is so finicky, sometimes it'll go from 19 to 6 to 2 then do whatever the hell it wants Mar 22 18:01:36 the pre2 isn't OCed at all Mar 22 18:01:58 pssst, wifi speeds don't really depend any on clock speed! ;o Mar 22 18:02:07 it depends on the wifi! ;o Mar 22 18:02:13 the pre- is way slower then that.. Mar 22 18:04:23 yay! GPS working on the pixi :) Mar 22 18:04:33 cool :) Mar 22 18:06:47 ~seen PatrickC_Pre2 Mar 22 18:07:04 patrickc_pre2 is currently on #webos-internals (1h 57m 17s). Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 2m 31s, last said: 'cool :)'. Mar 22 18:07:21 whhyyyyy Mar 22 18:07:30 because Mar 22 18:07:39 its fun to play with infobot :) Mar 22 19:27:06 Loudergood, poke :) Mar 22 19:27:24 not yet :) Mar 22 19:30:22 hehe, k Mar 22 20:18:08 anyone got flash working on 2.1 .. i know its hard but personally did it ? Mar 22 20:22:13 * NuttyBunny has Mar 22 20:22:16 hard? nah Mar 22 20:22:29 just use preware to install the ipk in the end Mar 22 20:22:42 heh Mar 22 20:23:08 NuttyBunny do i manually do what the guide says or go to preware and download an ipk Mar 22 20:26:44 NuttyBunny you alive ? Mar 22 20:26:55 no, no Mar 22 20:26:58 do the guide Mar 22 20:27:08 and to install the ipk you create, use preware Mar 22 20:31:20 i noticed the guide is in parts Mar 22 20:31:47 adding flash support Mar 22 20:31:49 manually adding Mar 22 20:32:05 do we follow both guides or are they just 2 diffrent ways of adding it to teh pre Mar 22 21:05:19 joeb_: sorry, they are 2 ways, the first, the one that talks about the ipk packager is the best Mar 22 21:57:21 hey webos fanatics Mar 22 21:57:41 who? where? Mar 22 21:57:55 i just ordered a palm pixi a few days ago, should be here tomorrow. i have never seen or touched a webos device... how excited should i be? Mar 22 21:58:37 very... Mar 22 21:59:01 AWESOME! because i AM! Mar 22 21:59:33 is it a pixi or a pixi plus? Mar 22 21:59:36 plus Mar 22 21:59:44 kk... Mar 22 21:59:50 nice stuff. Mar 22 22:00:05 probably won't ever get an OS update but from what i've seen it's enough to get excited about Mar 22 22:00:15 Evening everyone Mar 22 22:00:28 spiffyfitz, you never know...things happen. Mar 22 22:00:34 Thibaud, evening Mar 22 22:00:38 got it for $40 on ebay, brand new in box Mar 22 22:00:57 sweet Mar 22 22:01:14 okay back to work...my boss is a slavedriver(its me) Mar 22 22:01:15 i'm getting it because it's compact, i'm tired of lugging my droid x everywhere Mar 22 22:06:42 any way i can browse the preware packages ?? i don't have a webos device. Mar 22 22:07:37 http:..ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ Mar 22 22:07:42 bleh Mar 22 22:07:47 you know what I mean Mar 22 22:08:26 ohhhhhh thanks, i saw that on the site, didn't realize it would open up a big xml thing to dig through Mar 22 22:08:45 well... doesn't look like its xml, but whatever... thanks! Mar 22 22:35:57 spiffyfitz_: you can use the webos SDK and the emulator VM it includes to run preware and play with it as well Mar 22 22:36:22 i figured i might be able to do that… i'm launching the emulator on my netbook right now Mar 22 22:36:32 i'm excited to get my new phone Mar 22 22:37:28 spiffyfitz_: I really like the pixi+, it's a well-built / solid device and a good form factor Mar 22 22:37:50 hoping the gps navigation is decent… i know i'll be losing some functionality moving from droid x but the form factor is what i'm after Mar 22 22:38:15 favorite part of android is the voice control… totally amazing. i hope there's something like that on webOS Mar 22 22:39:19 spiffyfitz_: well, on that score, all the voice stuff I've seen in webos is in webos 2.1. not sure whether we'll see a 2.x update for pixi+.. Mar 22 22:40:00 * joeb_ loves irssi Mar 22 22:40:11 fingers crossed someone is working on it Mar 22 22:40:27 spiffyfitz_: though it's a linux based device, all kinds of things *could* be done. Mar 22 22:40:29 can anyone on a linux box access netflix.com ? Mar 22 22:40:40 i know it won't work but can you tell me if you can even get to it Mar 22 22:40:47 i read on the forums it's an architecture thing… not easy to just port over Mar 22 22:41:02 yeah, I really doubt that it'll happen Mar 22 22:41:35 I don't ever use voice dial, though I suppose if I got bluetooth in my car I might Mar 22 22:41:36 spiffyfitz_: at any rate, $40 for such a device without contract is a pretty awesome deal Mar 22 22:42:05 yeah… the main reason i got it… plus i can switch back to droid x whenever i feel like it Mar 22 22:42:53 joeb_: the netflix issue is that their DRM is based on Silverlight Mar 22 22:43:07 and apparently Moonlight (the Linux Silverlight workalike) is not close enough Mar 22 22:43:08 wgreenhouse: i downloaded moonlight Mar 22 22:43:15 yeah, ^^ Mar 22 22:43:17 it's not good enough Mar 22 22:43:19 wgreenhouse: i just can't even go to netflix.com Mar 22 22:43:25 it won't load period Mar 22 22:44:24 http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.netflix.com Mar 22 22:44:28 it's down apparently Mar 22 22:45:45 its up for me Mar 22 22:45:58 told me it's up Mar 22 22:46:03 and that's an awesome site Mar 22 22:46:22 nvm Mar 22 22:46:59 RagingMind: intermittent, I loaded that URL a few times and it says up, down, up Mar 22 22:47:30 and I tried to load the netflix site... was SLOW, like broken slow Mar 22 22:49:42 hmm, so maybe it's something seriously wrong over there Mar 22 22:52:56 how is the turn-by-turn navigation on pixi? Mar 22 22:53:12 same is it is on a Pre Mar 22 22:53:17 :p Mar 22 22:53:26 I've never paid for it... I just use navit Mar 22 22:53:26 … is that good or bad? :) Mar 22 22:53:38 navit is a free app for navigation? Mar 22 22:53:43 joeb_: netflix finally loaded over here but is looking broken Mar 22 22:53:53 like it didn't even fully load its CSS layout Mar 22 22:53:57 navit is free, but doesn't handle addresses well and tends to crash if you try to do things too quickly Mar 22 22:54:19 well... it doesn't handle addresses in the US well Mar 22 22:54:40 bummer, the gps navigation on the droid is REALLY good… i guess i was spoiled Mar 22 22:55:08 there is navigation that you can pay for from whatever carrier you get Mar 22 22:55:14 yeah, some of the oem navigators for webos are decent Mar 22 22:55:19 RagingMind, does it work on pixi's? Mar 22 22:55:19 at&t navigator works well for me Mar 22 22:55:26 ka6sox-work, no clue Mar 22 22:55:43 * ka6sox-work attempts to use it on the pixi...bbl Mar 22 22:55:44 er, carrier navigators Mar 22 22:55:49 yeah verizon has the VZ navigator Mar 22 22:55:58 VZ Navigator is in fact loaded on my BF's pixi Mar 22 22:56:00 telenav on Sprint Mar 22 23:04:24 I think hape is a navit guy...any other Navit guys here? Mar 22 23:11:57 ka6sox-work, hape and noradtux_ are the navit porters Mar 22 23:15:59 RagingMind, kewl..thanks... Mar 22 23:16:10 they call the daemon nmea...makes sense. Mar 22 23:16:26 okay I should be able to make this work now Mar 22 23:18:38 ka6sox-work, what are you making work? /me is curious about all maps/gps related adventures Mar 22 23:18:43 :) Mar 22 23:21:33 RagingMind, I'm not doing a mapping thing....well sorta Mar 22 23:21:51 I'm taking pictures and geoimprinting them. Mar 22 23:22:23 also trying to see if I can use the accellerometer to give me some atitude information. Mar 22 23:23:37 Oh EV icon, how I missed you so Mar 22 23:24:09 he he Mar 22 23:24:44 so now I need to know how to play with this...time for strace...thank God for strace Mar 22 23:24:56 optware to the rescue Mar 22 23:25:13 nice Mar 22 23:26:14 yeah there's tons of cool stuff in there Mar 22 23:26:24 uh huh...and more to come. Mar 22 23:26:40 oh? Mar 22 23:27:32 Loudergood, working on porting the build system to a later OS and adding more things. Mar 22 23:27:46 nice Mar 22 23:29:36 Loudergood, so did you mention the results of the call? Mar 22 23:29:46 worked just fine Mar 22 23:29:52 ah, k Mar 22 23:30:07 I figured... I had some really weird issue with my phone Mar 22 23:30:13 but the store fixed it :) Mar 22 23:30:19 my pre is currently wasting all my data downloading over evdo Mar 22 23:30:48 it's a race to see how fast you can log into wifi Mar 22 23:31:35 especially since I only get 100MB a month Mar 22 23:31:55 it airplane mode as fast as possible? Mar 22 23:31:56 *hit Mar 22 23:32:04 lol Mar 22 23:32:10 it's fine Mar 22 23:32:29 they just bumped it up from 50 so I'm still used to being conservative Mar 22 23:32:40 actually without video it's hard to use a lot of data Mar 22 23:33:00 well..without video and automatic checking of facebook/email/twitter Mar 22 23:33:00 I almost never watch videos and I use at least a gig a month Mar 22 23:34:10 of course it helps that I've got wifi in the 3 places I spend most of my time Mar 22 23:35:00 I mostly forget to turn on wifi Mar 22 23:35:18 I find leaving it on all the time saves me battery Mar 22 23:35:32 I think it's because the phone turns off evdo when wifi is on Mar 22 23:35:37 and connected Mar 22 23:35:59 well now I have two devices listed on my profile... Mar 22 23:36:14 (my problem was fixed by the store replacing my phone) Mar 22 23:36:41 the evdo connection stays up, but it doesn't use it (which is the power draw) Mar 22 23:37:04 and I really should leave wifi on all the time now, I didn't before cause I didn't have wifi at work (now I do) Mar 22 23:43:37 there..I can update koto player now :) Mar 22 23:44:43 I have dungeon hunter... so it swallows a lot of data/time when I log into my profile Mar 22 23:44:51 though I've never actually played it... Mar 22 23:45:43 heh, now preware...if I could queue packages...someday I'll look at that and decide it's way over my head ;) Mar 23 00:01:09 destinal: ?? Mar 23 00:13:23 Mar 23 00:13:25 We’re sorry, the Netflix website and the ability to instantly watch movies are both temporarily unavailable. Mar 23 00:13:29 boo Mar 23 00:28:30 lol Mar 23 00:28:40 hi Mar 23 00:35:46 anyone into car audio Mar 23 00:41:19 bpadalino: does precomd support novacom boot by any chance? Mar 23 00:41:50 i never did the work to add it in there if it does Mar 23 00:42:55 ah, ok. a potential SHR for palm pre dev came in and was asking Mar 23 00:43:45 prefers totally open source stack and wants an OSS novacom stack that could run on his ARM dev board (as a client to pre2) Mar 23 00:43:51 SHR ? Mar 23 00:44:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHR_%28operating_system%29 Mar 23 00:44:16 oh cool Mar 23 00:44:17 gotcha Mar 23 00:44:56 looks like there is pmux_mem_boot there .. but it just returns 0 Mar 23 00:45:14 I hope HP considers the request to just open source novacom entirely Mar 23 00:45:43 I can't imagine it hurting them and there are lots of interesting things that would help them sell devices that it enables Mar 23 00:45:57 (though admittedly, not in any volume) Mar 23 00:46:07 there are still those notes i have from writing the stuff Mar 23 00:46:27 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/precom-progs.git;a=tree;f=doc;h=8e818d8714c69ff0f24a4a411cf1f056aa26ed21;hb=8fc742d86ee99b2b1110070f81a071958dba8e83 Mar 23 00:49:14 they're free to putz around and grab usb captures and whatnot Mar 23 01:00:36 hp isnt very famous for open sourcing things. Mar 23 01:02:08 maybe they'll take a different stance with some webos stuff Mar 23 01:02:12 but who knows Mar 23 01:05:48 destinal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHR_%28operating_system%29 < -- it looks ugly Mar 23 01:06:20 heh Mar 23 01:07:02 the os screenshot .. it looks dul Mar 23 01:07:36 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f6/SHR_screenshot.png Mar 23 01:08:02 looks somewhat normal Mar 23 01:08:27 it loosk like android .. very dull Mar 23 01:08:50 ehhh, that's pretty boring Mar 23 01:09:00 needlessly stupid status bar too Mar 23 01:09:51 * SineOt puts a massive battery icon… Runs out of space for signal strength, puts it in so it's like 10px tall Mar 23 01:10:00 looks like it was built by committee Mar 23 01:21:02 bpadalino: it's an open source project, so much the same thing ;) Mar 23 01:21:14 :) Mar 23 01:21:36 I helped SHR with some infrastructure in the early days Mar 23 01:22:39 back in the day of the freezing cold where you had to walk to school barefooted eh rwhitby ? Mar 23 01:23:21 um, right. moko days. Mar 23 01:24:21 are the + all the people that have ops ? Mar 23 01:24:38 voice Mar 23 01:24:50 only @ is ops Mar 23 01:24:51 or probably #webos-internals members Mar 23 01:25:09 yea but most people i see get ops in a chan have voice cause there special Mar 23 01:25:22 just the nerdiest of the nerds Mar 23 01:25:40 joeb_, its somebody to shoot at when you have questions/comments/etc Mar 23 01:25:49 ka6sox-work: /msg :P Mar 23 01:26:08 we try not to :P Mar 23 01:26:14 lol Mar 23 01:26:17 hehe Mar 23 01:26:23 i love this touchstone Mar 23 01:26:31 its just staring at me Mar 23 01:27:33 they need more options in exhibition .. im tried of looking at govna / blank agenda / and no photo albumn Mar 23 01:43:39 Hi, can anyone point me to the linphone alpha test link? Thanks Mar 23 01:43:57 mbuugg: what device and SIP provider? Mar 23 01:45:12 @rwhitby, I have a verizon pixi plus. I have used a lot of SIP providers. But usually I use them through PBXes.org, Voxalot or Sipsorcery Mar 23 01:45:42 mbuugg: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Mar 23 01:47:02 @rwhitby, thanks. I'll report back in the precentral thread. Mar 23 01:51:16 joeb_|netflix: many of the folks in this channel with voice are ops also when needed. Mar 23 01:55:27 its always know that this chan has backup ready to lay down the smacketh Mar 23 01:55:31 :D Mar 23 01:55:42 s/know/good to know/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Mar 23 02:59:57 2011