**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 26 02:59:58 2011 Mar 26 03:00:04 Anyone active? Mar 26 03:00:38 I'm trying to get some help: i am having what seems to be a memory leak when using any music app on my Pre+ with 2.1 Mar 26 03:01:24 what do you mean, a memory leak? Mar 26 03:01:27 I'm trying to 1) find out if others are having this issue, and B) figure out how to track it down, if that is even possible Mar 26 03:01:43 I've seen mention of it on one of the forums Mar 26 03:01:51 when i play music the memory usage as reported by Govnah increases Mar 26 03:02:06 until it hits 486 or 488, then music starts stuttering Mar 26 03:02:15 and the phone gets really laggy Mar 26 03:02:38 once i reboot the lag goes away, and memory usage is stable Mar 26 03:02:39 rwhitby will be able to help you a lot more then i can Mar 26 03:03:50 rwhitby: you may have seen this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/279044-does-webos-audio-system-2-1-have-memory-leak.html Mar 26 03:07:53 so the thread is to try and answer question 1), but i'm hoping someone here can help me with B) Mar 26 03:12:17 ... and by help i mean offer suggestions on what i might do, not do the work for me Mar 26 03:19:22 Mar 26 03:22:37 * NuttyBunny needs a faster machine, or a way to make a cluster to cross compile ;) Mar 26 03:26:33 Anyone willing to try and replicate my results? The procedure is here: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/279044-does-webos-audio-system-2-1-have-memory-leak-2.html#post2919798 Mar 26 03:26:51 is there a way to use pmPostInstall.script with palm-package? Mar 26 03:27:43 use ipkg-build :) Mar 26 03:27:55 ? Mar 26 03:28:44 at least ipkg-build stores postinst and prerm scripts Mar 26 03:29:17 I'm having serious issues with prerm and postinst scripts Mar 26 03:29:43 If I install the app from palm-package, I have insufficient priviliges to run my code Mar 26 03:30:06 If I add prerm and postinst, it doesn't install correctly and I get "not permitted to send" Mar 26 03:30:33 and to fix the app I need to change the files post installation of the palm-package and then reboot Mar 26 03:32:21 rwhitby: another full reset Mar 26 03:33:02 no clue as to what's going on, I don't have it easily in a developer context either Mar 26 03:33:37 I believe i'm correct in calling this issue a memory leak: whenever i use a music app my available memory decreases up to the limit. When i close that music app it doesn't come back Mar 26 03:34:28 mgschu: you can use ar to add the scripts to the ipk after palm-package is done Mar 26 03:34:53 rwhitby: have done, screws up the app Mar 26 03:35:29 http://pastebin.com/MnFtbRV4 Mar 26 03:36:53 http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=blob;f=Makefile Mar 26 03:38:51 do i need a secret handshake or sometihing to get anyone's attention ;) Mar 26 03:39:29 NickNick: nope, it's just that I have no further info Mar 26 03:40:47 rwhitby: Think your git may be having some issues, "XML Parsing Error: undefined entity" for any file in that git Mar 26 03:41:22 wait, is tht my side? Mar 26 03:41:30 it might be your side Mar 26 03:41:46 msgchu: git seems fine for me Mar 26 03:42:00 your side Mar 26 03:42:58 rwhitby behaves like Sheldon Cooper: He doesn't assume he's right, he's just right ;) Mar 26 03:43:58 how odd. It breaks on the ampersand of the first   it comes across Mar 26 03:44:48 rwhitby: ok, thanks. So that means if there is a memory leak on legacy devices with 2.1 than there is nothing to be done...? Mar 26 03:50:19 pretty much, 2.1 on legacy isn't supported Mar 26 03:51:19 NickNick: depends whether it occurs on the official 2.1 on legacy devices releases (e.g. for O2 Pre+) or whether it only occurs on Pre- or something. Mar 26 03:54:46 There is one report of an O2 Pre+ with this issue in that thread. Should i PM him/her to request support through HP? Mar 26 03:55:14 yep Mar 26 03:56:27 NuttyBunny rhitby ipkg-build didn't seem to do the job, but rebooting to check Mar 26 03:56:33 10-4. I'll do that. Mar 26 03:56:37 thanks Mar 26 04:01:22 how many nodes should the "phone" app take? Mar 26 04:01:30 is 2351 too many? Mar 26 04:02:32 rwhitby: any modification of the ipk seems to stop it from installing correctly, and I get "not permitted to send to com.mgschu.dummy.srv" when I run it. Mar 26 04:03:55 I just checked against my other pre, which is only using 106 nodes..w Mar 26 04:04:06 what are nodes exactly? Mar 26 04:05:14 feel free to play with this http://ompldr.org/vN3l3Ng/dummy.zip while I'm gone Mar 26 04:05:17 Goodnight Mar 26 04:05:23 PatrickC_Pre2: my Pre+ does not have nearly that many nodes on my Pre+ Mar 26 04:05:36 for the phone app, i mean Mar 26 04:05:46 that is on 2 different pre-'s Mar 26 04:06:02 2351 on one, and 106 on the other Mar 26 04:16:19 any ideas? the phone is super sluggish... Mar 26 04:26:21 PatrickC_Pre2: reboot? Mar 26 04:26:28 I did Mar 26 04:26:33 now everything seems fine Mar 26 04:26:37 (for the time being) Mar 26 04:26:48 next would be re-doctor probably Mar 26 04:26:55 do they have the same patches? Mar 26 04:28:25 almost exactly the same Mar 26 04:28:39 and they are both OCed to 1GHz Mar 26 05:52:28 stupid question time Mar 26 05:52:37 how do I know that the optware feeds are correct ? Mar 26 05:52:57 what do you mean? Mar 26 05:52:59 I'm not able to install 'less' with ipkg-opt install less....for instance Mar 26 05:53:51 the ipkg and ipkg-opt binaries are installed Mar 26 05:59:07 ipkg-opt update Mar 26 05:59:37 nothing happened Mar 26 05:59:57 tried that already Mar 26 06:00:00 I have preware here Mar 26 06:00:03 and quick install Mar 26 06:00:19 so I can either reinstall or install those packages if you think it'll help Mar 26 06:00:57 trying to set up my environment so that I can use it like a normal Linux box, etc... Mar 26 06:02:06 any suggestions ? Mar 26 06:10:34 this is 2.1 btw Mar 26 06:10:40 meta-doctored Mar 26 06:14:07 got it :) Mar 26 06:14:22 wrong version of the program Mar 26 07:03:16 nite Mar 26 08:03:30 hi everyone Mar 26 11:59:57 ensign Mar 26 12:38:05 Good morning Mar 26 12:38:15 Is anyone familiar with how ls2 services work? Mar 26 13:05:36 So http://ompldr.org/vN3oxdA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-ipkg-build_all.ipk with postinst inside control doesn't work, but http://ompldr.org/vN3oxeA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-palm-package_all.ipk followed by manual activation of the postinst inside .../palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/ followed by a full reboot does. What's gone wrong Mar 26 13:19:06 NuttyBunny: Have you experienced your phone heat up loads lately when messaging's running? Mar 26 13:24:49 hello everybody Mar 26 13:25:52 hello Mar 26 13:26:48 at the moment i have a blockade in developing an app :( Mar 26 13:30:24 probably can't help, but fire away Mar 26 13:33:26 i just want to get the last used id from a sqlite database --- i make a request to my SqliteAssistant.prototype.last_note wich makes an db.transaction. db.transaction has handlers for success an err, in the success function i get my result and want to return the result to waht ever has called last_note (http://pastebin.com/h5WbAPEd) Mar 26 13:35:21 what's passed into the log? Mar 26 13:36:26 in the log is my desired value --- but i have no matter how to get this value back to the caller of SqliteAssistant.prototype.last_note Mar 26 13:38:59 would bringing the handlers into the main function as onSuccess and onFailure work for this, and return the value from there? Mar 26 13:39:59 dam i think you are right --- i try this Mar 26 14:29:26 does Amazon MP3 not come with sprint anymore? Mar 26 14:29:59 nm Mar 26 14:30:19 I just read the wiki, found my answer Mar 26 15:30:09 hey everyone Mar 26 15:31:26 hay Mar 26 15:34:19 hey Mar 26 15:36:01 anyone experienced in developing with html5 databse? Mar 26 15:37:16 the #webos channel could probably help better with that Mar 26 15:37:38 ok i will try thanks Mar 26 15:39:02 np Mar 26 15:44:12 bbl Mar 26 17:11:20 quit Mar 26 18:23:47 rwhitby: So http://ompldr.org/vN3oxdA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-ipkg-build_all.ipk with postinst inside control doesn't work, but http://ompldr.org/vN3oxeA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-palm-package_all.ipk followed by manual activation of the postinst inside .../palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/ followed by a full reboot does. Where have I gone wrong? Mar 26 18:35:08 Tibfib: any experience with ls2 services and postinst scripts? Mar 26 18:35:29 nope, sorry Mar 26 18:36:42 Ah well. Any plans to include album art download or lyrics in koto? Mar 26 18:37:22 album art download is there Mar 26 18:37:48 and I will not be adding lyrics because it is expensive Mar 26 18:37:55 maybe when I get more users.. Mar 26 18:39:36 expensive? didn't know it had to be licensed Mar 26 18:40:58 musiXmatch is pretty much the only legit way to get lyrics Mar 26 18:41:33 :q:q Mar 26 18:43:18 * mgschu takes another looks at lyricsfly, and understands. Mar 26 18:44:36 I tried lyricsfly, they were unresponsive Mar 26 18:44:50 poor service. Mar 26 18:46:06 Where did nanplayer pull its lyrics from? That seemed to work well Mar 26 18:46:19 lyricsfly. somehow he got a response Mar 26 18:46:35 I dm'd him about it Mar 26 18:46:55 He works for palm now, I think Mar 26 18:47:01 yep Mar 26 19:03:44 hey all, would it be illegal to sell a radio board? Mar 26 19:03:54 since it contains an ESN Mar 26 19:04:17 im parting out my pre Mar 26 19:05:22 Grizzler: Not unless that board is from a lost/stolen phone Mar 26 19:08:41 mgschu: nope, its from a phone i bought from ebay. all i needed was the LCD. im gonna part out the rest of it and sell it on ebay. the ESN is clean though Mar 26 19:20:27 ... Mar 26 19:20:52 * PatrickC_Pre2 says hi joeb_ Mar 26 19:22:36 infobot: ping Mar 26 19:29:19 Hi, are java based services not supported in 2.x? Mar 26 19:29:51 * RagingMind grumbles at amazon... Mar 26 19:30:08 I'm looking for something worthwhile for the super saver shipping, and all the nifty things I find don't count Mar 26 19:30:22 any pre-themed suggestions? Mar 26 19:30:35 touchstone? Mar 26 19:30:41 battery? holster? Mar 26 19:31:39 thebitguru, that would be correct Mar 26 19:31:43 and a blessing Mar 26 19:31:56 what's the alternative? C++? Mar 26 19:32:30 C/C++, node Mar 26 19:32:39 or anything u could write C bindings too Mar 26 19:32:58 oh! a c programming book! Mar 26 19:33:23 PuffTheMagic: interesting, I need to go do some reading. Thanks for the answers! Mar 26 19:38:31 PuffTheMagic, do you have any experience with postinst scripts and ls2 services? Mar 26 19:39:30 no Mar 26 20:02:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 waves to dkirker1 Mar 26 20:03:02 hi Mar 26 20:03:14 * dkirker1 waits for Colloquy to join the other channels Mar 26 20:03:36 how's the job? Mar 26 20:03:43 busy Mar 26 20:03:46 lol Mar 26 20:03:55 how's universe comin Mar 26 20:04:35 slowly Mar 26 20:04:42 well.. Mar 26 20:04:47 at least its comin :) Mar 26 20:06:43 heh Mar 26 20:06:47 yes Mar 26 20:07:21 hey, not that dkirker1 is on the webkit team at palm he can make better stacking happen Mar 26 20:07:22 ~seen dtzWill Mar 26 20:07:26 now* Mar 26 20:07:26 I want to implement the download manager, but I also want to go back to sleep... Mar 26 20:07:50 still think the browser should be an app Mar 26 20:08:00 hmm, is that not the syntax? Mar 26 20:08:09 dkirker1: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=10334 Mar 26 20:08:18 infobot isn't responsive today Mar 26 20:08:42 i assume you've got access to that Mar 26 20:08:48 I mean app catalog style so that it could be updated out of sequence Mar 26 20:09:03 It's 1pm... maybe I should take a shower? bbl Mar 26 20:09:12 oh, infobot's not even here Mar 26 20:09:26 * oil just got the cold shoulder from dkirker1 :( Mar 26 20:09:38 shocker Mar 26 20:09:51 lol Mar 26 20:09:59 not quite oil Mar 26 20:10:05 * dkirker1 is reading the article now Mar 26 20:10:11 heh Mar 26 20:10:13 let's all bombard dkirker1 with things he needs to do at palm! Mar 26 20:10:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 is also reading it Mar 26 20:10:24 my roommates want me to go to this reception thingy at our apartment Mar 26 20:10:26 well, if anything, i assumed this was within his scope as webkid dude Mar 26 20:10:30 and expect them by next week! Mar 26 20:10:32 webkit* Mar 26 20:10:51 oil: not singling you out :) Mar 26 20:11:39 (intentionally) Mar 26 20:12:13 fight fight fight! Mar 26 20:12:16 I mean... Mar 26 20:12:21 I am going to go get unstinky Mar 26 20:12:23 * PatrickC_Pre2 gets popcorn Mar 26 20:12:56 heheh Mar 26 20:17:23 * oil waits for dkirker1 to return and asks again xD Mar 26 20:18:01 lol Mar 26 20:28:52 * dkirker1 returns Mar 26 20:30:19 how much ram does the pre- have? Mar 26 20:31:32 * oil prods dkirker1 about card stacking stuff :) Mar 26 20:31:53 Grizzler: the pre- has 256 and the pre+, 512, IIRC Mar 26 20:32:19 eh Mar 26 20:32:22 sucks :/ Mar 26 20:33:23 yeah Mar 26 20:38:37 /me switches to wIRC Mar 26 20:47:49 what does the comms board control Mar 26 20:48:07 communications with the towers I believe Mar 26 20:48:52 i mean does it control wifi/data/gps/bluetooth? Mar 26 20:49:10 I believe so, can someone confirm? Mar 26 20:57:46 Grizzler: cellular radio only Mar 26 20:58:08 and gps depending on the device Mar 26 20:58:22 not wifi or bluetooth Mar 26 20:58:38 thanks rwhitby Mar 26 20:58:58 thanks Mar 26 20:59:20 its not illegal to sell a comms board, right? Mar 26 20:59:30 (the phone is clean, has not been stolen) Mar 26 21:00:20 nope Mar 26 21:01:23 awesome Mar 26 21:03:24 hmmm... how much should i sell it for Mar 26 21:03:33 $1 Mar 26 21:03:56 lol Mar 26 21:04:25 lol Mar 26 21:04:44 $5 sounds good :3 Mar 26 21:07:27 rwhitby: So http://ompldr.org/vN3oxdA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-ipkg-build_all.ipk with postinst inside control doesn't work, but http://ompldr.org/vN3oxeA/com.mgschu.dummy_1.0.2-palm-package_all.ipk followed by manual activation of the postinst inside .../palm/services/com.mgschu.dummy.srv/ followed by a full reboot does. Where have I gone wrong? Mar 26 21:07:44 dunno Mar 26 21:11:13 hi folks Mar 26 21:11:24 hello Mar 26 21:11:25 I'm interested in alpha testing Linphone Mar 26 21:11:58 dforest: what device and sip provider do you have? Mar 26 21:12:13 pixi plus, callcentric Mar 26 21:12:49 dforest: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Mar 26 21:13:28 thanks Mar 26 21:17:26 if i put "With this part, you can activate a Pre Plus on your sprint account" on my listing, would i be in any trouble? Mar 26 21:18:24 again... I think the people that would be interested in that part to begin with will already know what to do with it Mar 26 21:18:34 not really again again Mar 26 21:18:55 just again I have faith in the buyers to know what they want Mar 26 21:19:12 I really doubt you'd get in trouble though *shrugs* Mar 26 21:19:34 :3 Mar 26 21:19:51 thanks. Mar 26 21:20:18 I've seen all kinds of things advertised on ebay ;) Mar 26 21:20:39 lol Mar 26 21:22:33 generally when I'm shopping there I know *exactly* what I want, so I'm more interested in clear pictures, condition of item, and thorough enough description that I can identify it exactly Mar 26 21:23:16 is there a way to access the task list programaticly ? Mar 26 21:29:23 Grizzler: just exactly describe the item, don't try and tell people what they may or may not be able to do with it. Mar 26 21:30:30 For Sale: 6 tons fertilizer. May be used for bombs, or fertilizing.... Mar 26 21:34:22 Loudergood, and now the FBI will watch you sleep :-P Mar 26 21:47:47 lolol Mar 26 21:48:40 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160564667135&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Mar 26 21:50:09 Grizzler, a little misleading until you get down to the "radio only" part Mar 26 21:50:32 "Additional Features" "Keyboard" ? Mar 26 21:51:02 gah, okay I'll stop nitpicking. I need to go grocery shopping anyway. Grizzler good luck with your sale :) Mar 26 21:51:37 lol. i'll update that. :P Mar 26 21:53:13 I would update the title to be something like Mar 26 21:53:30 Palm Pre Sprint Comms Board Mar 26 21:55:31 Grizzler, why are you selling it? Mar 26 21:58:52 ka6sox-away: i have a second pre i bought for parts, all i needed was the LCD part. Mar 26 21:59:29 i called sprint to see if the ESN was clear, and sure enough it was. so im selling it out part by part :3 Mar 26 22:00:04 in linphone, is the 'name' field supposed to be username only, or sip:username@voipserver? Mar 26 22:00:38 is linphone available then ? Mar 26 22:00:45 its in alpha Mar 26 22:00:48 ah...okay too bad you already listed it... Mar 26 22:01:08 dforest, closed group ? Mar 26 22:01:41 rwhitby can send you the link Mar 26 22:02:04 Simpson_2: what is your device and sip provider? Mar 26 22:02:19 rwhitby, its a pre+ O2 with webos 2.1 Mar 26 22:02:51 rwhitby, I'll be using it with XS4all.nl ( dutch sip ) and private FreeSwitch based PBX Mar 26 22:03:26 Simpson_2: see /msg and report in the precentral thread Mar 26 22:03:43 ka6sox-away: would you like to buy it? i dont mind removing the listing. Mar 26 22:05:48 rwhitby, excellent ! Mar 26 22:11:16 rwhitby, okay freeswitch works Mar 26 22:11:28 Simpson_2: report in the thread please Mar 26 22:11:43 rwhitby, I'll do some test calls tommorow, and then report Mar 26 22:11:53 rwhitby, if I call people now, I'll probably get killed ;) Mar 26 22:12:16 depends where in the world the people are ;) Mar 26 22:15:15 23:11 CET -> work colleauges Mar 26 22:23:09 rwhitby, feature requests etc go in the forum as well ? Mar 26 22:23:26 yes, I am not the Linphone developer. Mar 26 22:24:44 rwhitby, okay will do Mar 26 22:25:04 am I really the only one who wants to create tasks programaticly ??? Mar 26 22:26:08 Simpson_2: what distinguishes your mojo app from a malicious app that wants to spam my task list? Mar 26 22:27:00 why aren't tasks part of the calendar, as with most PIMs ? Mar 26 22:27:12 Simpson_2: what distinguishes your mojo app from a malicious app that wants to spam my calender? Mar 26 22:27:16 and it does work for EAS :-/ Mar 26 22:27:56 I can create a synergy app, that syncs a remote calendar, why not a remote task list Mar 26 22:28:24 you can do that, just not with the palm profile task list Mar 26 22:28:34 just like you can't do it with the palm profile calendar Mar 26 22:29:18 I think we are out of sync or I don't understand you Mar 26 22:29:32 oh, maybe there isn't synergy for tasks Mar 26 22:29:53 but the essence is that mojo pograms don't get to mess with the palm profile data Mar 26 22:30:16 I don't want to mess with palm profile, I want to create a account which syncs a remote task list Mar 26 22:30:52 and the 2.1 API doesn't allow that? Mar 26 22:31:00 couldn't find it :-/ Mar 26 22:31:19 and like I said people who sync Exchange have this feature Mar 26 22:31:37 it creates a seperate list with your exchange tasks Mar 26 22:32:26 you've tried with capability=TASKS for account manager? Mar 26 22:33:58 uhm let me check Mar 26 22:34:18 I didn't try anything, I've been just reading about posibilities Mar 26 22:34:31 using AES for Domino syncing, works fine, but tasks are not supported Mar 26 22:38:03 I'll look into it thx Mar 26 22:38:20 it may not be possible, dunno. Mar 26 22:38:52 hidden feature at least Mar 26 22:39:14 night Mar 26 22:56:28 hey all .. can somebody tab complete my nick or say something .. im testing something Mar 26 23:00:30 what's up joeb Mar 26 23:01:18 joeb: here's another hilight that's different from the first one Mar 26 23:02:00 thanks Mar 26 23:02:03 I thought I'd give you that one as well, since you're using irssi and I know from experience that there's a difference between those two kinds of hilights Mar 26 23:04:14 joeb: I also /msg ed you Mar 27 01:14:08 anyone need any parts for their pre? Mar 27 01:14:54 ... Mar 27 01:15:45 :3 Mar 27 01:18:37 rats..Uconn again :P Mar 27 01:18:42 whoops Mar 27 01:28:13 ka6sox-away: keep it clean .. keep it clean Mar 27 01:29:14 joeb_, that *is* clean after what they did to my Aztecs... Mar 27 02:23:51 ~ugt Mar 27 02:24:08 heh Mar 27 02:24:11 its AWOL again Mar 27 02:42:35 hy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 27 02:59:59 2011