**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 02:59:57 2011 Mar 30 03:01:02 * oc80z pops in Mar 30 03:01:20 ok Mar 30 03:01:54 so 43MByte? Mar 30 03:01:59 Lost? Mar 30 03:02:06 down to 104mb free now Mar 30 03:02:14 so add another 14 to that, and counting Mar 30 03:02:25 18 minutes of playing music Mar 30 03:02:26 i dont have a pre2 Mar 30 03:02:38 yeah Mar 30 03:02:54 let me guess, 1 hour is 700mb Mar 30 03:02:54 hehe Mar 30 03:03:02 .. er is it 70min is 700mb? Mar 30 03:03:12 but its mp3s, er,, nvm... Mar 30 03:03:31 fuckin ah... what you want to do? Mar 30 03:03:42 what modules are sound? Mar 30 03:03:46 pulse? Mar 30 03:03:48 lsmod | grep sound Mar 30 03:03:58 dunno for pre2 Mar 30 03:04:04 i'm on pre+ Mar 30 03:04:08 ill check ill ssh to m pre- Mar 30 03:06:06 hey nick you can type, free -m Mar 30 03:06:09 to get MB Mar 30 03:06:35 nice. Mar 30 03:06:38 so you dont have to divide by 1024 Mar 30 03:09:12 so type top Mar 30 03:09:16 what do you see there? Mar 30 03:09:31 LunaSys, java, pulseaudio, mediaserver, hidd, etc... Mar 30 03:09:46 stuff under the COMMAND column Mar 30 03:10:32 yep Mar 30 03:10:39 looks like... Mar 30 03:11:08 top user of %mem is webappmgr Mar 30 03:11:21 ;] Mar 30 03:11:24 whats the % Mar 30 03:11:38 17.6 Mar 30 03:11:45 sorry ;) Mar 30 03:11:49 ..yeah Mar 30 03:11:58 so lets google that webappmgr Mar 30 03:12:12 cause stuff like java, and lunasys, we know should have high % of memory Mar 30 03:12:37 i use quotations on google "webappmgr" returns better results, sometimes. Mar 30 03:13:05 i dont think this is WebOS SDK stuff so no worries. Mar 30 03:13:18 what's up? Mar 30 03:13:37 NickNick reporting a memory issue with webappmgr Mar 30 03:13:51 what app NickNick? Mar 30 03:13:56 * DougReeder waves hello Mar 30 03:14:03 did a reboot, opened novaterm started music, watching memory , memory dropping hard. Mar 30 03:14:03 hay doug!! Mar 30 03:14:16 2.1? Mar 30 03:14:17 pre+2.1 + compcache? dunno what kernel , Mar 30 03:14:29 yizzr. Mar 30 03:14:31 UK 2.1.0-18 Mar 30 03:14:38 screenstate 500/800 FWIW Mar 30 03:14:39 I believe there is a mem leak in 2.1 Mar 30 03:15:16 500/800? Mar 30 03:15:17 yeah, someone reported that there is not with the music apps. Mar 30 03:15:20 PatrickC_Pre: agreed. I'm trying to figure out if there is anything to be done about it, or if i just need to suck it up Mar 30 03:15:43 is this with the stock music app? Mar 30 03:15:47 negative Mar 30 03:15:53 ALL music Mar 30 03:15:59 any music app?? Mar 30 03:16:03 (pandora, net2streams, musicremix) Mar 30 03:16:08 (stock app) Mar 30 03:16:13 yeah... evidently. Mar 30 03:16:15 have you tried Koto? Mar 30 03:16:27 it doesn't seem to affect Pre- Mar 30 03:16:28 NickNick it still eating up memory? Mar 30 03:16:49 NickNick: have you tried Koto Player? Mar 30 03:16:53 yep, down to 70mb Mar 30 03:16:55 I hear its really good :) Mar 30 03:17:03 PatrickC_Pre: heh. nope, not yet. Mar 30 03:17:21 try Koto Lite Mar 30 03:17:32 PatrickC_Pre: i will if you think it matters though... I'm guessing this is with the webos audio system, not app specific Mar 30 03:17:41 ill get you a link Mar 30 03:17:44 i expect a patch within 2 days from hp. Mar 30 03:18:03 :P Mar 30 03:18:44 http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tibfib.app.koto.lite&applicationid=7788 Mar 30 03:18:45 well, if the problem is present in the Pre2, i would agree with you! Mar 30 03:18:53 Koto is designed specifically for 2.x Mar 30 03:18:57 its 2.x only Mar 30 03:19:25 MPR is 2.x only as well, FWIW Mar 30 03:19:31 hmm i think all the deveopers are aware of this.. Mar 30 03:19:43 i'll give koto a go in a second here... i want to see what happens when real memory runs out Mar 30 03:19:44 like, ppl working with the kernel code Mar 30 03:19:48 and etc. Mar 30 03:20:05 NickNick can you kill the webmgr program? Mar 30 03:20:10 *shrug* Mar 30 03:20:32 what is webappmgr Mar 30 03:20:41 killall -HUP webappmgr Mar 30 03:20:51 i could, google seems to think webappmgr is java related... Mar 30 03:21:27 brb Mar 30 03:21:58 that memory usage is consistent with this totally random screenshot i found: http://discussion.treocentral.com/webos-internals/276460-how-install-webos-2-1-0-pre-pre-using-meta-doctor-163.html Mar 30 03:22:26 er, sorry, misspoke Mar 30 03:22:33 NickNick type pstree Mar 30 03:22:59 may be you can see what the parent proccess is doing with webappmgr Mar 30 03:23:22 yeah interesting this exact thread is on precentral.net Mar 30 03:23:39 I installed Preware under webOS 2 using the command line method. Is that not supposed to work? The Preware page says instalation under 2 should use palm-install. Mar 30 03:24:16 Is novatool public? Mar 30 03:24:48 |-LunaSysMgr-+-WebAppMgr---5*[{WebAppMgr}] Mar 30 03:24:48 | `-3*[{LunaSysMgr}] Mar 30 03:25:24 dougreader: webos qi 4 should work with 2.x Mar 30 03:25:42 puff put it on the wiki Mar 30 03:25:57 rw started it march 2011 Mar 30 03:26:09 oc80z: i suppose i meant "publicly being used", but thank you :) Mar 30 03:26:10 brb Mar 30 03:26:47 we should update the wiki then - I'll see if I still have an account Mar 30 03:26:52 it has not been announced yet Mar 30 03:27:14 and should not appear on any other wiki page yet Mar 30 03:27:31 well, I'm off to bed Mar 30 03:27:33 goodnight Mar 30 03:27:45 could a 2.0 legacy upgrade ever be on preware? Mar 30 03:28:02 I don't believe so Mar 30 03:28:21 night Mar 30 03:28:22 only HP has the right to distribute HP copyright material Mar 30 03:29:30 opyright = QLabel('

') Mar 30 03:29:31 i mean the process listed on the wiki could that ever be done in preware? Mar 30 03:29:34 Nice Mar 30 03:29:36 fucking hardcore. Mar 30 03:30:03 * oc80z reads up Mar 30 03:30:06 oh, heh. Mar 30 03:30:06 timmy: preware and meta-doctor are two different tools Mar 30 03:30:27 timmy, could it? maybe but it'd be really um... yeah it's just not gonna happen that way Mar 30 03:30:39 use the right tool for the job Mar 30 03:30:53 i see what you mean jsut wishful thinking i guess Mar 30 03:31:00 the people that make preware and meta-doc overlap, but their functions do not :) Mar 30 03:31:35 timmy: you should not wish for things to follow a kitchen sink mentality. Mar 30 03:31:45 just wondering if it can be simplified but i guess not at the moment Mar 30 03:31:51 rwhitby ...sorry? Mar 30 03:32:45 timmy: that's like asking whether open heart surgery can be included as a function of toenail clippers. Mar 30 03:33:03 LMAO Mar 30 03:33:13 yeah i guess that makes sense Mar 30 03:33:31 timmy: webos world is offering the upgrade for a nominal fee now: http://webosworld.com/device-services/ Mar 30 03:33:43 barf Mar 30 03:33:45 if you can part with your phone for a few days they'll do it for you. Mar 30 03:34:00 ok then, well how can the process be made easier for those of us who dont have as much it experience? Mar 30 03:34:04 yeah, use a professional if you are not confident in your own abilities to use the procedure as documented. Mar 30 03:34:14 timmy: it cannot and should not. Mar 30 03:34:20 wouldn't the 2-ing really be a sprint-ing of a pre2? Mar 30 03:34:46 so thats kind of as far as it will go? Mar 30 03:35:17 until it is made into a magic pill, yes. Mar 30 03:35:29 until you buy a device that isn't EOL in HP's eyes Mar 30 03:35:58 or what rwhitby said :] Mar 30 03:36:05 timmy, the big problem there is that while someone could walk you through the process step-by-step... they would inherently be taking on a responsibility to support you from then on in case *anything software* goes wrong with your phone later Mar 30 03:37:01 no, i meant i was wondering if w.i. was going to "perfect" the process any more Mar 30 03:37:21 or is it in its final development state? Mar 30 03:37:24 *sigh* Mar 30 03:37:30 there are special cases/circumstances that can arise from using 2.1 on a device that's not officially supported Mar 30 03:37:39 yeh obv, Mar 30 03:37:46 and we can't foresee all of them Mar 30 03:38:26 i'm not talking about responsiblity, just wondering if there will be more work on the upgrade process or if thats it right now Mar 30 03:38:39 http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/ Mar 30 03:38:46 there will probably be more as more is released by HP Mar 30 03:39:07 timmy , the process is about as automated as a 3rd party can make it. Mar 30 03:39:15 timmy: which specific step is not clear? Mar 30 03:39:32 I imagine things will get updated as new software versions allow, but there will always be that technical knowledge barrier Mar 30 03:39:59 i guess im not being clear....its all clear, great job, awesome job, i was only wondering if more will be added Mar 30 03:40:53 yoh Mar 30 03:41:02 is zsoc pissd? Mar 30 03:41:20 timmy: unlikely since it is a well developed process with good outcomes for most who do it. Mar 30 03:41:23 oc80z, he didn't seem it when he brb'ed earlier Mar 30 03:41:37 about that app on the wiki Mar 30 03:41:44 i didnt mean to get anyne in any heat. Mar 30 03:41:52 well im trying to figure how to deal with nav issues or the prl thing Mar 30 03:42:02 if its onthe wiki, its not internal. Mar 30 03:42:07 there are threads for both, i think they are resolved Mar 30 03:42:19 oc80z, novatool is public... PuffTheMagic made it and it's in the public git Mar 30 03:42:22 what prl thing? Mar 30 03:42:32 sprint prl update is broken on 2.1 Mar 30 03:42:41 ah ok rage Mar 30 03:42:48 its nice code. Mar 30 03:42:50 there's a manual extraction process that works though, i believe Mar 30 03:42:58 like.... real good code. Mar 30 03:43:04 yeah i get that Mar 30 03:43:17 sprint prl update is borked? Mar 30 03:43:24 on 2.1 Mar 30 03:43:32 whats the chip, Mar 30 03:43:33 sierra? Mar 30 03:43:46 down to 26mb free, no swap being used yet... Mar 30 03:43:51 dontthey have a thing for that :/ Mar 30 03:43:53 qualcomm 68[blah] ? Mar 30 03:44:04 oh Mar 30 03:44:51 can i post that? Mar 30 03:44:54 timmy: what is your hesitation about upping to 2.1? Mar 30 03:44:57 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05c6:3197 Qualcomm, Inc. CDMA Wireless Modem/Phone Mar 30 03:45:11 um idk, cuz its my main phone Mar 30 03:45:18 oc80z, is that from your pre? Mar 30 03:45:19 NickNick do you have OptWare installed? Mar 30 03:45:26 yeah rage, pre- Mar 30 03:45:30 oc80z: negative Mar 30 03:45:35 but im considering doing it Mar 30 03:45:35 you should ;] Mar 30 03:45:43 oc80z, from on the pre, or from your computer? Mar 30 03:45:51 the pre. Mar 30 03:45:59 ah Mar 30 03:46:13 whats it get me? Mar 30 03:46:38 knowledge of what you can do with linux. Mar 30 03:46:44 what did you learn tonight? Mar 30 03:47:22 ah. I learned a few commands: free -m, top, pstree Mar 30 03:47:29 HP is going to rain Linux down on Earth. Mar 30 03:48:11 raining penguins! Mar 30 03:48:21 i'll need a stout umbrella for that... Mar 30 03:48:25 yeah, I've been thinking about that 100 million figure. Mar 30 03:48:25 if you like learning curves, and are a fan of penguins.. Mar 30 03:48:33 DougReeder i believe it. Mar 30 03:48:43 WebOS-TV Mar 30 03:48:46 WebOS-Toaster Mar 30 03:48:47 etc.. Mar 30 03:49:01 consider installing linux on one of your computers NickNick Mar 30 03:49:02 half is printers - not much of a market Mar 30 03:49:14 its not going to hurt.. and you are only going to learn from it. Mar 30 03:49:20 RagingMind, oc80z: to be very clear. Novatool is not yet announced. Mar 30 03:49:39 rwhitby my bad man, i hope i didnt get anyone in hot water. Mar 30 03:50:02 it's not a secret, but it is not announced. Mar 30 03:50:12 For the computers, most users will see it as bloatware, so say 10% use it - that's more like 5 million. Mar 30 03:50:31 bad idea to upgrade to 2.0 if it's my main device? Mar 30 03:50:33 i understand that too, Mar 30 03:50:44 oc80z: i've tinkered a bit. even built up a version of amarok at one point way back Mar 30 03:51:03 timmy: my pre+ is my main device. so no, i don't think so Mar 30 03:51:10 ok Mar 30 03:51:14 we skipped over some obvious stuff w/ the audio system. Mar 30 03:51:17 but as the wiki says, there is a non-zero chance of failure Mar 30 03:51:20 which may not just be music/audio Mar 30 03:51:31 timmy: it's clear that if you are asking all these uncertain questions, then you specifically should not do it. Mar 30 03:51:33 NickNick you have any video games that play music/sound in loop? Mar 30 03:51:40 lol Mar 30 03:51:42 on the pre? Mar 30 03:51:58 So webOS on desktops will increase the userbase something like 200-300%. That's a big boost, but it aint magic. Mar 30 03:52:01 timmy: when you no longer need to ask someone else whether you should do it or not, then you have the knowledge to succeed. Mar 30 03:52:21 pretty sure. Angry birds does i think, and some other missle defender look-alike has a definite music loop. Mar 30 03:52:21 nice advice Mar 30 03:52:37 rwhitby, Puff also talks about it in here all the time and posts links to screen shots, so even if it's not announced on a website somewhere, he's more than announced it here Mar 30 03:52:40 may be do the same test with that nick. Mar 30 03:52:57 RagingMind: to be clear, it is not announced. Mar 30 03:53:22 so we can tell if its per mp3, or .. Mar 30 03:53:26 oc80z: i'm guessing it won't happen. the memory seems to be eaten when tracks change... Mar 30 03:53:31 ok Mar 30 03:53:33 hp said they were working with carriers for something future, if that were for a doctor for sprint would that elimate the need for scripts? Mar 30 03:53:44 RagingMind: if you'd like us to actually develop in secret, keep traversing that path that you seem to be on Mar 30 03:54:23 chill Mar 30 03:54:25 his name is rage Mar 30 03:54:34 but i can test it pretty easy Mar 30 03:54:37 I dOnT WaNt To SeE thE RaGe Mar 30 03:54:49 NickNick *shrug* yeah it only takes 20 min Mar 30 03:54:58 (make sure it plays sound heh.) Mar 30 03:55:39 * halfhalo debates 2ing his pre Mar 30 03:56:07 ... Mar 30 03:56:21 rwhitby whats good Mar 30 03:56:34 oc80z: novatool, but it's not announced yet ;) Mar 30 03:56:46 omfouch Mar 30 03:57:08 Impostah is pretty good too. Especially the new bits. Mar 30 03:57:16 rwhitby, if that's how you feel about a piece of software that's in a publicly accessible git repo and that's been talked about publicly by the person that seems to be the main dev... then maybe you should chat with him and/or start hiding things. I never actually suggested anyone use it yet Mar 30 03:58:06 RagingMind but its not announced dude Mar 30 03:58:06 RagingMind: just making sure that it doesn't appear as a PreCentral front-page article tomorrow. Mar 30 03:58:09 I just pointed out that the lack of announcement doesn't seem to mean much if it's already been plastered all over Mar 30 03:58:25 its not been. Mar 30 03:58:25 hypothetical u.s. carrier 2.0 doctor = no need for scripts? Mar 30 03:58:49 we dont want what rw said internal-internal stuff Mar 30 03:58:57 we want webos-internal stuff. Mar 30 03:59:15 internet { irc, git, wiki } Mar 30 03:59:18 internal* Mar 30 03:59:20 timmy: yes. Chances are ~0 of that, IMO Mar 30 03:59:56 is there a way to sort "top" by memory usage? Mar 30 04:00:05 NickNick: hp said they are working with carriers, but yeah it's prob. unlikely Mar 30 04:00:10 if precentral has people with semi-real journalistic tenancies they'll contact the dev first before putting up an article Mar 30 04:00:19 NickNick there is also a cool program called htop.. but i dont know if that comes with busybox base system.. Mar 30 04:00:26 It was anounced that the O2 update was a special request of O2 Mar 30 04:00:58 in linux you can use commands with flags, like, free -m , -m is the flag. Mar 30 04:01:15 so busybox is a tiny version of bash/dash/ash/sh Mar 30 04:01:20 yep, what gets me the flag list for the command? Mar 30 04:01:40 try free -h Mar 30 04:01:53 you can usually use --help or -h Mar 30 04:02:15 >_> Mar 30 04:02:29 gettin tired. Mar 30 04:02:32 RagingMind: you seem to have an unrealistic expectation of tech blog sites that only care about eyes on advertising Mar 30 04:03:11 oc80z: thanks Mar 30 04:03:26 heh Mar 30 04:03:40 weird, 3mb free, but swap isn't filling up... Mar 30 04:03:56 3mb free?? Mar 30 04:03:59 did you kill the music app? Mar 30 04:04:07 nope, still running Mar 30 04:04:07 and clear all that stuff out with a forced GC? Mar 30 04:04:10 ah Mar 30 04:04:12 nuke that music app Mar 30 04:04:23 well, close the music and the game, and then just start the game Mar 30 04:04:38 i guess o2 is pushing an OTA patch Mar 30 04:04:52 its not like we can do a diff on this Mar 30 04:05:06 ...er.. the lunasys webmgrapp stuff, Mar 30 04:05:35 killed music, loaded angry birds Mar 30 04:06:16 that freed a few mb, i'm up to 10 free Mar 30 04:07:08 pulseaudio PID had something like 90000 under the "virt" column before i nuked it Mar 30 04:07:13 nuked the music app, that is Mar 30 04:08:24 sorry scratch that, that was mediaserver Mar 30 04:09:49 a screen off seemed to free up another 8 or so mb Mar 30 04:09:53 now it's holding steady. Mar 30 04:10:22 oh Mar 30 04:10:26 its strange, JStop reports only 38mb used, with like another 70+ free... Mar 30 04:11:30 killing all but JSTop and then manually GC gets me to about 60mb free Mar 30 04:13:30 well, that is a partial fix for the time being. Mar 30 04:13:41 thanks again oc80z, i'm tired Mar 30 04:16:21 * DougReeder waves goodnight Mar 30 04:19:36 is to run the video game at the same time? Mar 30 04:19:39 youre kidding.. Mar 30 04:21:24 kidding about tired? sadly no, work is just hours away at this point... Mar 30 04:21:28 'night folks. Mar 30 04:21:53 ...work is linux, so life is good. Mar 30 04:22:26 someone get that kid running gentoo-hardend tomorrow. damnit. Mar 30 04:22:35 imah peace out, fucking burnt, later. Mar 30 04:22:45 later oc80z Mar 30 04:24:27 RagingMind, what are you saying about novatool? Mar 30 04:25:45 I never suggested anyone use it yet, I was just a bit thrown off by the idea that there might be some level of secrecy about it Mar 30 04:26:04 no-one said it was secret Mar 30 04:26:07 just not announced Mar 30 04:26:47 there are levels between secret and public, right? Mar 30 04:27:38 such as "known by a select group of people in an IRC channel, or who take the initiative to look at wiki pages or git repos, cause that usually indicates some level of knowing what they are doing" Mar 30 04:27:42 I understand that a project might not be ready for front-page exposure Mar 30 04:28:27 nor for newbie exposure either, which is what happened (not by you) earlier in this channel Mar 30 04:34:37 if a newbie can get it running from googling the name till they find the git and going from there... more power to them. there are things mentioned in here every day that go over the level of knowledge of the person they are being told to. Mar 30 04:34:38 In the future I'll try to distinguish between "announced to the world" and "announced existence to IRC" Mar 30 04:35:40 RagingMind: no harm, no foul. Mar 30 04:36:45 i have no need for novatool atm so i wont be trying to figure it out lol Mar 30 04:38:28 what does irk me is the suggestion that I was "traversing" a path of some kind of ill will that might force devs into secrecy Mar 30 04:39:15 RagingMind: apologies for that intimation. You seemed to be pushing the public word with some significance. Mar 30 04:41:53 thanks for that. Really the most public I get IS this IRC channel. Mar 30 04:42:21 yep, it seems we just have a different calibration of public, and there is no issue here. Mar 30 04:50:54 we can backup the current prl on sprint (60677), is it possible to get new prls in the future and repeat the process? Mar 30 05:03:30 probably Mar 30 06:27:02 Hello, is there any common libarary changed from 1.4.5 to 2.1? I write a C service runnning well in 1.4.5, and the executable is able to run under 2.1, but any service call to it instantly failed. Mar 30 07:16:05 EEEEEEEEEEEEHHH! YEEEEEAH!!! msn-pecan is ONLINE!! :D Mar 30 07:16:05 EEEEEEEEEEEEHHH! YEEEEEAH!!! msn-pecan is ONLINE!! :D Mar 30 07:18:14 NuttyBunny: ?!? Mar 30 07:19:18 hehehe... the new messaging plugin, hopefully will substitute the old one Mar 30 08:10:49 heyho Mar 30 10:02:02 hey Mar 30 10:02:25 is this the right place to ask WebOS SDK-Questions? Mar 30 10:02:43 or is this reserved for homebrew/Linux-hacking/non-SDK-stuff? Mar 30 10:02:49 if it's about the official SDK, try #webos Mar 30 10:02:56 OK Mar 30 13:49:53 Morning all, Any one having problems with the gmail chat app Mar 30 13:59:17 there is a Veer 4G? Mar 30 14:11:30 hi everyone... any one knows if Preware supports a luna-send option to run and install a package? rwhitby ? :) Mar 30 14:26:55 aloha Mar 30 14:43:33 good morning, I've got a Pre 2 US/unlocked that suffered the misfortune of having the webOSDoctor process interrupted part ways (darned kids). Mar 30 14:44:29 I'm trying to follow the instructions on the wiki to get it "back" but not having much luck. If I re-run the doctor it disconnects at 8%. Mar 30 14:45:23 I'm not sure if I'm even getting to a bootie prompt or an OMAP3 prompt. What is a "]" prompt significative of? Mar 30 14:47:18 type help there Mar 30 14:47:28 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Mar 30 14:47:32 I think it's the recovery prompt Mar 30 14:47:38 it mentions 8% Mar 30 14:49:13 so... anyone else in here play with there gps? there are some suggestions in the forms that involve PmModemUpdater on the device instead of pirated software on a windows box... so that looks promising Mar 30 14:49:17 I have, the command list includes nduid, usb, lboot, klog, etc Mar 30 14:50:12 I have seen that article (how to recover), the lvm.static command is not found at the "]" prompt Mar 30 14:50:45 that's not the right prompt... how do you get that prompt? what do you run? Mar 30 14:51:50 I did the memboot thing, but turns out that I get the same prompt without running the novacom boot command (so I guess it is the recovery prompt, eh?) Mar 30 14:52:22 it is Mar 30 14:52:48 your phone may be more borked than mine was when I had the 8% problem :( Mar 30 14:53:05 appears to be :-( Mar 30 14:55:13 I guess I'm at a loss for how to get some forward progress from here. Mar 30 14:56:08 since I don't seem to be able to do memboot successfully ... any thoughts on what to try next? Mar 30 14:56:16 one of the hardware gurus might be able to help. so if you hang out a while or come back later to ask again Mar 30 14:56:54 and you have the right kernel image? Mar 30 14:57:32 yeah I can hang here ... just another IRC window... 17th... I use IRC for my job daily Mar 30 14:58:18 I *believe* I have the right image Mar 30 14:58:47 the recovery prompt works when you are doctoring and the doctor don't recognize your Pre Mar 30 14:59:25 mauro1@wakko { ~/Downloads }$ md5sum *jar Mar 30 14:59:25 477f12cc73f5d8a3a00761dcb3751e6b webosdoctorp103ueuna-wr-2.1.0.jar Mar 30 15:00:24 that matches what is in the wiki for unlocked pre 2, so I *believe* I have the right image Mar 30 15:01:47 yeah the md5 matches Mar 30 15:02:16 unlocked pre2? so you're still under warranty, right? :) Mar 30 15:02:41 hmm I'm seeing something that leads me to believe I may have been sending a 1.4.5 image over novacom for memboot :-( Mar 30 15:03:29 I was under warranty ... but not anymore I swapped com boards with a my Sprint Pre.. and back again Mar 30 15:04:08 ah Mar 30 15:04:10 the "no linux novacom drivers for Pre 2" is really cramping my style I gotta say. Mar 30 15:04:34 mauro1, they released the linux 2.1 sdk Mar 30 15:04:51 I don't have a pre2 to test, but novacom was updated at the same time too Mar 30 15:05:20 that includes the novacom drivers? Mar 30 15:05:20 or really ... I think I have me some downloadin' to do. Mar 30 15:05:20 s/or/oh/ Mar 30 15:05:20 mauro1 meant: oh really ... I think I have me some downloadin' to do. Mar 30 15:05:31 but yeah, if things got mixed up and that was a 1.4.5 kernel... that would explain things :) Mar 30 15:06:24 this page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Memboot, sez For 1.4.5 the file is named uImage-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 Mar 30 15:07:05 I have novacom 1.0.64 Mar 30 15:08:20 mauro1, my pre+ with 2.1 says the same kernel name... so it might not be 1.4.5 Mar 30 15:08:26 did you ever meta-doc? Mar 30 15:08:39 oh well you must have for frankenpre? Mar 30 15:08:39 no, I never got that far Mar 30 15:09:03 so you were going to and then boom? Mar 30 15:09:12 I was on my way to frankenpre but I never got the doctor to recognize the Pre2 from my linux box Mar 30 15:10:07 what novacom is running on the linux box? Mar 30 15:10:19 yeah .. since it wasn't working on ubuntu I punted to the kids' Mac to establish that the device was OK ... and then the kid decided that they wanted to use the 'puter so they hit "cancel" before I could stop them. Mar 30 15:11:03 ii palm-novacom 1.0.46 Mar 30 15:11:33 yup... way old :) Mar 30 15:11:45 RagingMind, that's good to know that said filename might not be exclusive to 1.4.5 Mar 30 15:12:02 they were at 1.0.5x something before the 2.1 SDK ;) Mar 30 15:12:16 I'm checking several of the doctors I have downloaded to see what the file names are Mar 30 15:12:57 RagingMind, would you happen to have the .deb for that novacom 1.0.64 handy? Mar 30 15:13:21 http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585 Mar 30 15:13:27 even better ^ Mar 30 15:13:36 I had the page open to make sure I was up to date :) Mar 30 15:13:55 yeah that is even better Mar 30 15:16:11 I think I'm going to have to regroup, collect my thoughts and try again to unbrick/re-doctor my Pre2 Mar 30 15:16:30 almost done checking file names, hit a snag for a bit Mar 30 15:17:37 they do have the same kernel name in a vzw 1.4.5 doc and in an unlocked pre2 2.0.1 doc Mar 30 15:17:48 oh yeah and cleanup my 'buntu environment a bit to make sure that I've got things kosher, between my two Sprint Pre, the Bell Pre (used as iTouch equivalent for the kids) and the GSM Pre2 Mar 30 15:17:50 Any one have experiance with using iptables in webos? Mar 30 15:19:40 no one ;) Mar 30 15:19:42 hehehe Mar 30 15:19:44