**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 31 02:59:58 2011 Mar 31 03:01:51 I believe that's right Mar 31 03:02:04 Beauty. Thank you. Here we go Mar 31 03:29:07 anyone on a mobile device in here? how ? in a browser? Mar 31 03:29:39 #webos Mar 31 03:29:44 egadgetguy, wirc Mar 31 03:29:57 wirc Mar 31 03:30:07 thanks Mar 31 03:31:12 yay, the AA on cards is fixed in 3.0 Mar 31 03:31:45 3.0 is NDA Mar 31 03:33:11 all im saying is I saw a screenshot and the AA was nice. Mar 31 03:33:14 geez Mar 31 03:33:34 a screenshot? where.. Mar 31 03:33:43 and I'm not tryin to get onto you :) Mar 31 03:33:47 heh Mar 31 03:33:49 just a friendly reminder :) Mar 31 03:33:59 in the early access forums Mar 31 03:34:00 srsly, wirc Mar 31 03:34:02 trying to keep people out of trouble Mar 31 03:34:13 those are NDA too :) Mar 31 03:34:29 wirc is going to be amazing on the touchpad!! Mar 31 03:34:57 I know! Mar 31 03:35:02 only if it gets rewritten in enyo Mar 31 03:35:07 yeah Mar 31 03:35:16 is there a way to solve a app thinking its being captured when its not? Mar 31 03:35:20 etx`: you cannot discuss information from the early access forums in public. Mar 31 03:35:37 Hell, I'll rewrite the front end in enyo if the service is solid Mar 31 03:35:37 nm I fixed it Mar 31 03:36:04 rwhitby: sorry, just commenting on rendering improvements Mar 31 03:36:23 even that is under NDA Mar 31 03:36:38 a lot of people were complaining about that when 2.0 was released Mar 31 03:36:52 right on, sorry mate Mar 31 03:37:38 ok - now that that's over... Mar 31 03:37:51 HiQ any luck? Mar 31 03:39:31 egadgetguy: Epic! You guys rule. That took forever, but its just syncing everything now. Thanks! Mar 31 03:39:57 technically the NDA prohibits you from even saying you're under NDA or have the materials I think Mar 31 03:40:09 so, sssshhh Mar 31 03:40:32 cool - Hey, I'm just trying to help... and I'm not that deep in yet. Mar 31 03:40:41 oil: you're the primary dev on wirc right? would you re-write it for enyo? Mar 31 03:40:48 HiQ: so it worked? Mar 31 03:40:50 it is the plan Mar 31 03:41:00 destinal: yep. it's hush hush... Mar 31 03:41:01 PatrickC_Pre2: Everything went perfectly Mar 31 03:41:02 who's the primary dev for Govnah? Mar 31 03:41:05 yay Mar 31 03:41:17 * oil as well Mar 31 03:41:34 oil is the primary dev for everything. the rest of us just watch. Mar 31 03:41:42 lol Mar 31 03:41:46 I found a biug Mar 31 03:41:50 I need to decide if I want to spend my time writing a mojo version of the app I'm working on, or if I should try and do 3.0 Mar 31 03:41:51 s/biug/bug/ Mar 31 03:41:53 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: I found a bug Mar 31 03:41:58 rwhitby does support :) Mar 31 03:41:58 BTW - in case you guys missed it, fixing flash fixed my email problem Mar 31 03:42:04 I have confirmed it on 2 devices Mar 31 03:42:11 a reference manager/zotero client makes a lot more sense on the touchpad Mar 31 03:42:16 I will log it next time it happens and send you the logs Mar 31 03:42:42 what kind of bug patrick? Mar 31 03:43:03 Anyone knows how to set /usr/local as a prefix for building nss? :) Mar 31 03:43:23 Govnah keeps switching from my set profile to an "Unknown" profile Mar 31 03:43:34 does that for me too Mar 31 03:43:36 actually Mar 31 03:43:38 and it whacks everything up when it does that... Mar 31 03:43:50 heh... bugs Mar 31 03:43:53 happens to me too - on two devices Mar 31 03:44:05 happens on my touchpad too Mar 31 03:44:06 they are just random features, right halfhalo :) Mar 31 03:44:17 happens on my Pre3 too Mar 31 03:44:49 happens to me on my [REDACTED] Mar 31 03:45:08 just saw it on my meta'd plus Mar 31 03:45:19 PatrickC_Pre2: I've also noticed that it destroys my battery when it's in that mode Mar 31 03:45:20 all my devices are meta'd Mar 31 03:45:28 whatever mode that is Mar 31 03:45:35 I was getting it on the standard 1.4.5 install Mar 31 03:45:38 me too patrick... Mar 31 03:45:41 on occasion Mar 31 03:45:48 as was I Mar 31 03:45:52 oil: sometimes I think our idea of actually matching profiles in real time was the wrong thing to do. we should have just reported the last one set, and then no-one would care. Mar 31 03:46:10 less accurate :/ Mar 31 03:46:24 rwhitby: I'd still probably care, just not have the right information Mar 31 03:46:45 there was the plan to change the requirements based on what hte kernel changes Mar 31 03:46:47 at least now, when my battery life is going down the drain, I can check govnah and fix it Mar 31 03:46:54 but we never got a list of this effects this and makes it this when its like this Mar 31 03:47:08 how are the profiles managed and how do they get lost? Mar 31 03:47:20 they're not "lost" Mar 31 03:47:21 they don't Mar 31 03:47:29 lets say you have your profile set with a max of 1ghz Mar 31 03:47:39 and you stick it on a ts and the kernel automatically clocks it down Mar 31 03:47:49 you're no longer running 1ghz so the profile no longer matches Mar 31 03:47:51 so you see unknown Mar 31 03:47:52 ts? Mar 31 03:47:56 touchstone Mar 31 03:48:00 or whatever trigger Mar 31 03:48:01 ^^ Mar 31 03:48:04 low power Mar 31 03:48:05 etc Mar 31 03:48:11 oh Mar 31 03:48:15 temp, batt, charging Mar 31 03:48:22 oh ok.. then I don't have to log it :) Mar 31 03:48:29 so it's unrecognized. Mar 31 03:48:31 * rwhitby rests his case Mar 31 03:48:41 any idea why it'd be affecting batt life? Mar 31 03:48:54 at least in my case, it almost seems like it's in a state of limbo Mar 31 03:49:02 Govnah has no control over battery life Mar 31 03:49:10 my dad had something weird happen the other day Mar 31 03:49:13 (other that sucking battery if you leave Govnah running) Mar 31 03:49:13 cpu scaling does Mar 31 03:49:16 * egadgetguy thinks it needs a way to reset it to the current profile it if gets changed by the ts or lp things Mar 31 03:49:27 his battery was dying (I know... right!) lol Mar 31 03:49:28 summatusmentis: Govnah does not actively control cpu scaling Mar 31 03:49:42 so he plugged it in, but it kept dying.. and didn't charge Mar 31 03:49:48 Govnah sets parameters that the kernel uses to implement these things Mar 31 03:49:50 he tried several different outlets Mar 31 03:49:52 rwhitby: I know that, is it possible there's a kernel bog that I'm hitting? Mar 31 03:50:00 once the parameters are set, Govnah plays no further part. Mar 31 03:50:11 but the problem seemed to be the "Unknown" govnah profile Mar 31 03:50:23 I notice that when govnah is showing "Unknown" or "N/A", my battery life is drastically lower Mar 31 03:50:32 would it be better to use f102 ?? that only has one setting? Mar 31 03:50:35 which makes me wonder if the kernel scaling stuff is not happening correctly Mar 31 03:50:42 right, both of you are mixing cause and effect Mar 31 03:51:38 ok, so if it's not govnah, is it possible I'm still hitting an unkown/unfixed bug? Mar 31 03:51:55 I just notice it in govnah, doesn't mean it's govnah doing it Mar 31 03:51:55 cause - I set govnah to a profile [screenstate 500/1000] effect [the pre goes at 500 with screen off and 1000 with it on...] Mar 31 03:51:56 not in govnah Mar 31 03:52:36 so... what cause tells the kernal to stop listening to govnah? Mar 31 03:52:45 the kernel doesn't listen to govnah Mar 31 03:52:53 WebOS Quick Install doesn't work on 2.1? Mar 31 03:52:54 can govnah be made to take over again? Mar 31 03:53:06 govnah sets parameters *once* and it's the kernel's job from there. Mar 31 03:53:18 govnah is never in control, so it can't "take over" Mar 31 03:53:19 then how is it that I use govnah to set a profile? Mar 31 03:53:38 govnah is basically "passing arguments" to the kernel Mar 31 03:53:41 when you set a profile, the new parameters are sent *once* to the kernel Mar 31 03:53:55 not directly controlling the kernel Mar 31 03:54:02 correct Mar 31 03:54:20 so the bug is that govnah can't find the profile if the power thing happens? Mar 31 03:54:34 because it got "reset"? Mar 31 03:54:40 there is no matching profile to find Mar 31 03:54:58 govnah has no concept of what's happening kernel side, right? Mar 31 03:55:00 the kernel is reporting a set of running conditions which do not match any profile Mar 31 03:55:01 nobody understands heh Mar 31 03:55:09 * halfhalo does Mar 31 03:55:14 lies Mar 31 03:55:19 I do, to some extent Mar 31 03:55:33 * egadgetguy is starting to. Mar 31 03:56:21 good, both of you can write it up on the Govnah wiki page and we'll see if you do. Mar 31 03:56:33 govnah is polling the kernal for a profile that matches one in it's database... not finding one, it simply says "unknown" Mar 31 03:56:39 rwhitby: so when the kernel is in the state where it's reporting non-profile conditions, is there a known bug for messing w/ the batter? Mar 31 03:56:39 what I Mar 31 03:56:42 * halfhalo is known to tell a tale or two, thats true Mar 31 03:57:03 I'm kinda understanding... Mar 31 03:57:04 egadgetguy: as I understand it, that's correct Mar 31 03:57:11 it makes more sense now Mar 31 03:57:22 egadgetguy: it does not poll for a profile Mar 31 03:57:41 it gets a set of running conditions, and determine whether those match a predefined profile or not Mar 31 03:57:52 What I'm saying is that if it polls and doesn't see the one that was set last by the user, [comparitor] then it ought to set it to that again... rather than sit in limbo. Mar 31 03:58:16 there are valid states where the running conditions should not match a profile Mar 31 03:58:30 e.g. when charging, or in overtemp, or in underbattery. Mar 31 03:58:37 it could be programmed to do that... as long as conditions are met... like power is so much and temp is so little... Mar 31 03:58:52 egadgetguy: patches welcome Mar 31 03:59:16 and why can't it be overclocked when charging??? Mar 31 03:59:28 it can be Mar 31 03:59:30 "can't" Mar 31 03:59:41 but it can also overheat a lot easier :) Mar 31 03:59:54 ok... Mar 31 04:00:11 egadgetguy: you may want to peruse the advanced settings Mar 31 04:00:17 i get it... if it's not running, it can't check... Mar 31 04:00:31 * halfhalo notes on a completely different subject he has an almost completely working (but spineless) patch and revision object for node Patch Portal, Mar 31 04:00:35 right? Mar 31 04:00:55 egadgetguy: technically, there's nothing stopping it from being overclocked while charging. That doesn't mean it should be Mar 31 04:01:04 (again, as I understand it) Mar 31 04:01:13 because of heat issues... got it Mar 31 04:01:23 right Mar 31 04:01:50 there's an option to allow it. caveat emptor Mar 31 04:02:05 idea... on event, not charging, check profile against current setting... ? Mar 31 04:02:11 I have a touchstone mounted on the air conditioning vent in my car. it's not going to overheat there. Mar 31 04:02:13 last setting Mar 31 04:02:40 just a thought. Mar 31 04:02:59 egadgetguy: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=summary Mar 31 04:03:37 something to read before putting forward any other "just a thought's" :) Mar 31 04:04:00 in the vaste sea that is webos, I am still sailing along the coastline so to speak Mar 31 04:04:13 govnah is way further out than webos. Mar 31 04:04:19 anyone have an idea on how to add yahoo to my just type list? Mar 31 04:06:40 isn't there a patch for that? Mar 31 04:07:20 I believe there is for 1.4.5 Mar 31 04:07:28 but that's for universal search Mar 31 04:07:48 RagingMind: visit Yahoo.com search? Mar 31 04:07:52 I have gone snorkling and done a few dives. but none rockin the submarine squadrines yet. Mar 31 04:08:00 none = not Mar 31 04:08:03 PatrickC_Pre2, that's *not* in just type :-P Mar 31 04:08:28 but going to the yahoo page doesn't give me the "add search" notification Mar 31 04:08:46 hmmm. that's what I was getting at :) Mar 31 04:09:01 so I'm trying to remember what webos uses to detect a search engine Mar 31 04:09:19 but so far all my searches haven't returned much Mar 31 04:09:21 blah Mar 31 04:22:17 bed time... will start coming here more often...I like to help. Mar 31 04:24:16 so um... who has a or European pre or pre+ and can check something for me :) Mar 31 04:24:21 * oil keeps thinking that guy is egaudet Mar 31 04:24:35 lol Mar 31 04:25:00 I had the same thought Mar 31 04:27:56 super easy... no modification to the phone... just checking what number is on a certain line of a file :) Mar 31 04:49:18 cat /var/lib/modem/palm_nv_backup.txt | grep 3756 Mar 31 06:01:04 ~seen rwhitby Mar 31 06:01:10 rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 36 messages. Is idling for 1h 56m 56s, last said: 'govnah is way further out than webos.'. Mar 31 06:01:17 NuttyBunny: yo Mar 31 06:01:56 rhitby: ah, hey :) did you get my question about building the packages on the WIDK for the emu? :) Mar 31 06:02:34 yep, haven't done it. Mar 31 06:02:38 need to get an x86 rootfs Mar 31 06:03:34 which can be obtained from the sdk, right? I mean, there's no rush, but... that touchpad webOS 3.0 seems too nice to leave "untouched" :D Mar 31 06:13:03 Well, thanks, gotta go, I have to sleep a bit better than the other days, today I'll sleep 5 hours, 12am thru 5 am Mar 31 06:22:13 That's nice, my subnet calculator looks pretty good at 1024x768, fully functional since I didn't depend on backswipe but on back buttons :) Mar 31 08:10:13 hi all Mar 31 08:10:56 could some answer a few questions for me about a palm pre minus Mar 31 08:11:04 what is the battery life like? Mar 31 08:19:14 always carry a spare battery Mar 31 08:37:27 morning! Mar 31 08:37:45 * ice8lue 's dev pre2 is finally shipped =D Mar 31 09:02:13 dang Mar 31 09:02:18 some devices are on the way to Germany Mar 31 09:02:20 but not mine Mar 31 09:02:24 :-) Mar 31 09:04:20 how many hours do you all get off your palm pre minus Mar 31 09:04:52 hmmm Mar 31 09:04:59 48 without mobile data Mar 31 09:05:20 if I am not doing anything on it Mar 31 09:05:26 do you think i would get 17 hours with light use Mar 31 09:05:32 aka just twitter Mar 31 09:05:47 18-24 when I'm constantly playing around with it Mar 31 09:05:58 that sounds pritty good Mar 31 09:05:59 mind you, I have data disabled Mar 31 09:06:12 i only really use my phone for twitter and abit of facebook Mar 31 09:06:20 3G/EDGE are a real battery killer Mar 31 09:06:30 oh right i see Mar 31 09:07:16 ive got a htc g1 atm so im used to bad battery life lol Mar 31 09:10:50 well Mar 31 09:10:56 I almost always have WiFi enabled Mar 31 09:11:00 even if I'm away from home Mar 31 09:11:08 don't know how much drain that gives me Mar 31 09:11:18 but I'm not using it 100% offline Mar 31 09:18:06 thanks for the help Mar 31 09:19:57 im hoping the join the palm pre community Mar 31 09:20:02 laterz Mar 31 09:42:34 w 1 Mar 31 11:38:01 heyho Mar 31 13:29:46 so many interesting things in the packages list for webos... like libspeex :) Mar 31 13:30:20 woah! hotplug? seriously? Mar 31 13:46:05 so um... I'm writing an email to someone at palm about the open source package list... anyone have any suggestions about how I can *not* sound like a snobby, demanding free software nut? Mar 31 13:49:00 ... well, what are you asking for? Mar 31 13:49:14 btw.. hi everyone :) Mar 31 13:49:38 hi NuttyBunny Mar 31 13:49:57 there are a couple oddities about the page, a few links are mixed up Mar 31 13:50:01 and a few seem to be missing Mar 31 13:50:18 ah, yes, but they are in previous versions Mar 31 13:50:42 I guess you could just send an email to Chuq with the errors, they're pretty open to that Mar 31 13:50:50 they fixed the kernel link in a couple of hours Mar 31 13:51:05 there's an opensource question email link that I"m composing an email to now Mar 31 13:51:58 I've figured out how to talk to people and be nice (out of necessity), but whenever I write asking about/for something when I re-read it to myself I think I sound like an ass Mar 31 13:52:08 maybe it's all in my head Mar 31 13:53:31 hehehe... it happens to me but the other way around... but I tend to be polite on the emails and my gf says I sound rude in person... Mar 31 13:53:34 and does the emulator use the stock 2.6.24 kernel? or one of the device specific ones? Mar 31 13:54:01 My guess would to go stock 2.6.24 Mar 31 13:54:38 * NuttyBunny boots the emu to see :) Mar 31 13:55:14 how would you check that? Mar 31 13:55:42 uname -a of course Mar 31 13:56:05 Linux qemux86 2.6.26 #1 SMP Tue Mar 22 18:22:51 PDT 2011 i686 GNU/Linux Mar 31 13:56:24 heh, I didn't think the device specific ones would show anything different Mar 31 13:57:04 The Pre (2.1) shows: Linux XXXXXX - Palm Pre 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #2 Tue Mar 8 19:23:11 UTC 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux Mar 31 13:57:46 well, I'll include the question in the email, just in case Mar 31 14:58:29 hi is someone here who knows how to use the camsrc in a gstreamer pipe on webos 1.4.5 Mar 31 14:59:15 I think no one knows..... if someone knew there would be at least one homebrew app using it ;) Mar 31 14:59:40 but feel free to experiment! Mar 31 14:59:44 hmm thats bad news :( Mar 31 15:00:32 yep, we've been told that we would have access to camera APIs ... eventually... and it never happened... Mar 31 15:02:07 do you know if the situation under webos2.0 is better? Mar 31 15:04:54 no, but at least there's now access to the mic :S Mar 31 15:05:37 Arthurthorton on PreCentral did a nice voice recording app, I don't know if he used gstreamer Mar 31 15:06:02 but it's on the catalog, so it should have used Palm supported methods Mar 31 15:07:36 yeah access to the mic works for me as well. Mar 31 15:14:08 isn't there a similar method for the video? (I haven't had time to look into it), you may have to dig into the opensource.palm.com files to see if they left something interesting there :) Mar 31 15:15:08 there's a camsrc-omap36xx package Mar 31 15:16:18 i saw the casrc-omap36xx package for webos 2.0. thats why i asket wether the situation is better under webos 2.0 Mar 31 15:17:33 apparently nobody's exploited it yet. you could be the first! Mar 31 15:19:06 alright^^ Mar 31 15:47:48 So I just 2.1.0'd my Sprint Pre-, but I'm having issues installing AdvancedSystemPref patches. I have no patches currently installed, but when I try to install the Framework LEGACY (normal or VZW), both are giving me errors. Can any apps interfere with this patch? Mar 31 15:59:59 Nevermind. Apparently the new metadoctor scripts allow the use of non-LEGACY patches. That one installed fine. Thanks everyone! Mar 31 16:15:10 phoque: what is undefined? Mar 31 16:15:45 haeffb, it says "Cannot call method 'setLength' of undefined" Mar 31 16:15:58 when I try to run Mar 31 16:15:58 this.controller.setupWidget('spotList', this.listAttributes, this.listModel); Mar 31 16:16:01 oops, wrong channel Mar 31 16:16:02 this.controller.get('spotList').mojo.setLength(items.length); Mar 31 16:16:15 doesn't matter to me, I understood you :-D Mar 31 16:16:27 <------ Mar 31 17:55:27 ello Mar 31 17:58:22 het Mar 31 17:58:23 hey Mar 31 18:01:49 NuttyBunny: long time no see Mar 31 18:02:20 hehehe... yeah :) Mar 31 18:02:28 NuttyBunny: hey so i got the frankenpre working... kinda\ Mar 31 18:04:04 kinda?... lemme guess, it doesn't want to activate? Mar 31 18:08:59 NuttyBunny: doesn't run first-use when its done Mar 31 18:09:04 so i cant get my palm-profile Mar 31 18:09:10 but its got my number and everything Mar 31 18:09:42 aah... well, did you run the script to create the meta-doctor as-is? or did you change something? Mar 31 18:09:50 NuttyBunny: as is Mar 31 18:10:04 even re-did it and it still skipped first use Mar 31 18:10:17 weird, which one is it? Mar 31 18:11:38 (which script I mean) Mar 31 18:12:08 meta-sprint-frankenpre2-2.1.0 Mar 31 18:13:02 lemme see it, hold Mar 31 18:15:13 I only see: meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0, meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0, test-meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.0.1, test-meta-wr-franken-sprint-pre-2.1.0 Mar 31 18:15:55 NuttyBunny: thats weird Mar 31 18:16:14 I just pulled the git Mar 31 18:16:33 do a git pull to get the latest scripts Mar 31 18:16:48 cd /to/your/meta-doctor/dir Mar 31 18:16:51 git pull Mar 31 18:18:24 hmm yeah, there it is now Mar 31 18:18:33 i did this like a week ago though, guess its already changed Mar 31 18:18:47 so lemme try and run this one and hope for the best Mar 31 18:19:41 * cwayne hopes for the best Mar 31 18:19:48 sure, go on :) Mar 31 18:22:16 brb Mar 31 18:30:48 pfff.. stupid VPNs Mar 31 18:31:02 I've been thinking about setting up a VPN on my VPS Mar 31 18:31:11 mostly for security reasons Mar 31 18:32:02 that's good, but it's a pain when the admin redirects all the traffic to the vpn, filtering everything you do (they asked for it, so we configured it that way) Mar 31 18:56:17 hoot hoot Mar 31 18:57:59 * admiral0 shoots Mar 31 18:59:08 oh no my flute Mar 31 18:59:37 i missed dammit Mar 31 19:03:29 any sprint pre2 experts in the house? Mar 31 19:04:58 millertech: no expert but i literally just did it Mar 31 19:05:14 ok, does your sound work? Mar 31 19:05:26 yea Mar 31 19:05:31 can you pair to stereo bluetooth? Mar 31 19:05:47 the only sound i get is for phone calls Mar 31 19:05:54 ive got no way to check right now sorry Mar 31 19:06:23 gotcha Mar 31 19:06:51 I found someone mention to run the stock WR 2.1 DR Mar 31 19:06:58 I did that but have the same issue Mar 31 19:07:25 I think ill start by creating a brand new fresh meta-build and try again Mar 31 19:16:48 Has any one imported sound/tones from the Centro in to WebOS?? Mar 31 19:17:11 copy them to the ringtones folder in the usb drive Mar 31 19:18:08 do you know how to extract then from the Centro? Mar 31 19:18:25 * RichT23_ like some of the old built in ones Mar 31 19:18:28 ah.. that.. oops, no, sorry, I never got a Centro :( Mar 31 19:18:52 same as on the 650/680... Mar 31 19:18:52 you could somehow record them and then transfer them to your Pre? Mar 31 19:19:24 Ya i was hopeing to avoid having to record them, but that is one option =) Mar 31 19:20:52 well i spose i should try a full sync from one, not something i have done for quite some time Mar 31 19:26:42 hi i've tried the meta-doctor script under mac os x 10.5 but it generates an invalid .jar file any suggestions? Mar 31 19:26:49 Arr i should of known i never have an original Idea Mar 31 19:27:07 Some one already extracted the Treo sounds =) Mar 31 19:46:32 bla_: have you tried updating java? Mar 31 19:46:53 hay nuttybunny Mar 31 19:50:34 hey :) Mar 31 19:51:25 Ubuntu is nice :) Mar 31 19:51:34 haven't gotten to use it much though Mar 31 20:03:37 I just love Ubuntu, perfect for my needs Mar 31 20:06:11 NuttyBunny: :) Mar 31 20:06:58 You should use it more often, what do you use windows for? Mar 31 20:07:20 (lowecase w, that's the way I pay my 'respect' to it) Mar 31 20:10:44 windoze Mar 31 20:11:24 Is there a certian way to fix the "This is a webos application"? Mar 31 20:11:27 NuttyBunny: you runnin natty yet :p Mar 31 20:12:13 I'm running nuts pretty much right now, this netscape nss library is a headache Mar 31 20:13:38 and the only thing I was really interested to poke in with 3.0 was the messaging subsystem... which, by the way, doesn't connect to gtalk in my machine... bah Mar 31 20:14:04 Meh ubuntu is OK Mar 31 20:14:12 Puppy Linux 0 Mar 31 20:14:15 wns Mar 31 20:14:37 "OK"? Ubuntu is Sheldon's favorite linux based operating system! :D hehehe Mar 31 20:15:53 NuttyBunny: lol that clip went around work for awhile Mar 31 20:16:33 yeah, it was funny :) but knowing Sheldon, he would have preferred Gentoo Mar 31 20:17:13 bun Mar 31 20:17:50 bumtooth is ok, they just have strange idears all the time Mar 31 20:18:19 like WTF was wrong with init Mar 31 20:18:42 well, upstart was supposed to be faster Mar 31 20:18:56 ubuntu is weird Mar 31 20:19:27 ubuntu is gnome, so, gnome is weird Mar 31 20:19:36 NuttyBunny: ubuntu's not gnome anymore Mar 31 20:19:39 and thats another point Mar 31 20:19:40 now it's Unity Mar 31 20:19:45 so maybe Ubuntu will become sane Mar 31 20:19:51 but meh, gnome, too Mar 31 20:20:01 why can you not get gid of gnome, even if you install another window manager Mar 31 20:20:26 ah, yeah, stupid Unity... hehehe Mar 31 20:20:33 RichT23_: that "feature" is an advertisement for Debian :) Mar 31 20:20:48 =) exactly Mar 31 20:20:55 works fine on netbooks, but I don't like it for desktops Mar 31 20:21:08 i will note my laptop is bumtooth... Mar 31 20:21:25 but i am forsed to use it or windows Mar 31 20:22:04 RichT23_: why forced Mar 31 20:22:22 $work give you two options Mar 31 20:22:34 I was given permission at work to use Linux on my laptop, I'm perhaps the only one that was given that honor :D Mar 31 20:23:24 i did fight for a desktop, and to have Linux Mar 31 20:23:31 that was before they had a policy Mar 31 20:23:40 and i installed Puppy on it Mar 31 20:23:57 it was suggested i should "upgrade" to ubuntu Mar 31 20:24:24 i pointed out the desktop i was given was a piii 500 Mhz with 256Mb of ram Mar 31 20:25:02 win7 would have been fine Mar 31 20:25:30 ps guys, unity still runs on gnome... Mar 31 20:25:41 :p Mar 31 20:26:24 cwayne: ubuntu, unity, gnome => meh Mar 31 20:26:35 :/ Mar 31 20:27:21 i like ubuntu Mar 31 20:27:28 i have to use it, but i would anyway lol Mar 31 20:27:35 * halfhalo refuses to use linux as a desktop Mar 31 20:28:12 to many little things bug me Mar 31 20:28:13 whens the last time you tried? Mar 31 20:28:40 last time I used a linux os on a desktop was.... feb 25 for scale Mar 31 20:28:53 fair enough then Mar 31 20:29:06 * cwayne is used to people saying "I used linux in 2001, NEVER AGAIN" Mar 31 20:29:15 lol Mar 31 20:29:22 now, linux on server is a different story Mar 31 20:29:24 THAT I love Mar 31 20:29:27 mmmm Mar 31 20:29:46