**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 01 02:59:58 2011 Apr 01 03:00:24 rwhitby: you did it? Apr 01 03:01:28 or was the bell thing something palm changed? Apr 01 03:01:43 palm changed the bell thing it looks like Apr 01 03:01:52 bell thing? Apr 01 03:02:53 https://twitter.com/#!/ToonDoctor/status/53579503129214977 Apr 01 03:03:39 cool Apr 01 03:05:24 does preware have a search function? Apr 01 03:06:10 Xuzz: did you read the splash screen on first startup on which you clicked "I've read this, please continue" ? Apr 01 03:06:32 no. Apr 01 03:06:40 lol Apr 01 03:06:40 (am I supposed to?) Apr 01 03:06:57 like, does anyone ever read splash screens on first startup when they are told to? :p Apr 01 03:07:01 its like every other webos app? Apr 01 03:07:11 i ignored those too :< Apr 01 03:07:20 Xuzz: yeah, open a category (or "List of Everything") and start typing :-P Apr 01 03:07:20 Xuzz: you don't deserve to use Preware, sorry. Please delete it right now. Apr 01 03:07:58 wgreenhouse: no, do not give him the answer. he does not deserve it. Apr 01 03:08:42 rwhitby: deleted :< Apr 01 03:10:04 Xuzz: you are hereby forced to use WebOS Quick Install for the period of your natural life, or until you learn to read splash screens on open source applications, whichever comes sooner. Apr 01 03:11:43 lol Apr 01 03:12:27 rwhitby: no palm-install allowed? Apr 01 03:12:50 only with the -r argument Apr 01 03:13:56 and webOS Quick Install is that Java app? Apr 01 03:19:45 * halfhalo has not used woqi for ages Apr 01 03:25:47 all: lumberjack is blindingly awesome Apr 01 03:30:02 :) Apr 01 03:52:44 Hi guys. I flashed my Pixi+ to Cricket today and everything seems to be working fine excep that Preware isn't letting me install anything? Apr 01 03:53:06 Anybody know what's going on? Apr 01 03:56:51 anybody here? Apr 01 04:00:04 Xuzz: BTW, you know I was kidding, right? Apr 01 04:14:02 anyone around that wants to help me add messaging plugins to my pre plus? Apr 01 04:14:31 i added them but the msn live messenger isn't signing in. did check the forum posts, nothing seems to be working Apr 01 04:17:40 siliconvalley785: In fact, I'm working on that... stupid Microsoft and their non-compliant servers :@ Apr 01 04:18:00 oh ok Apr 01 04:18:07 so im not the only one having issues with that Apr 01 04:18:40 no, the worst is that it may work some times, and just don't others Apr 01 04:18:49 ah ok Apr 01 04:19:10 cause i got this pre today with the intent on addnig these services and banking on them working Apr 01 04:19:28 but yeah,whnever you get it fixed is cool, just throw something up in the forum Apr 01 04:19:38 MS has several (a lot) of servers with mixed implementations for TLS encryption, some work with the plugin, other don't, so we're looking for the best way to do it Apr 01 04:19:56 Will do, don't worry :) Apr 01 04:20:06 do you have 1.4.x or 2.x? Apr 01 04:20:09 thanks man, good to know someone out there is working on this Apr 01 04:20:12 im 1.4.5 Apr 01 04:22:17 Yes, I hope to have an update this weekend, or sometime next week Apr 01 04:23:08 awesome Apr 01 04:25:03 * wgreenhouse uses wIRC + a bitlbee instance running on his server for messaging Apr 01 04:25:09 bitlbee's been having msn issues too though Apr 01 04:26:07 it's a problem between libgnupg and the MS servers not being 100% complaint Apr 01 04:26:24 every app that relies on gnupg have similar issues Apr 01 04:31:59 rwhitby-pre: yes :) Apr 01 04:32:27 NuttyBunny: gnutls you mean? Apr 01 04:34:30 wgreenhouse: yes, that, gnutls Apr 01 04:34:37 stupid microsoft Apr 01 04:34:52 pretty much Apr 01 04:35:21 I've been suffering with that for 2 days and found no reliable solution other than patch the /etc/hosts file Apr 01 04:49:44 NuttyBunny: I can help test the Facebook Chat plugin fix :) Apr 01 04:50:13 PatrickC_Pre2: It's really ugly, it duplicates messages right now :) Apr 01 04:51:20 lol.. any progress on the Jabber not merging contacts? Apr 01 04:51:55 heh... jabber doesn't even load right now :D Apr 01 04:52:05 I'm doing it step by step Apr 01 04:52:07 uh oh lol Apr 01 04:52:45 first I had to set up a dev environment with every dependency ready (stupid gnutls and microsoft) hehehe... and then begin testing the plugins Apr 01 04:53:26 right now I'm reaching the 3.0.6 status of the plugins (plus the new msn and facebook ones), but I'm not quite there yet Apr 01 04:54:08 well, let me know when you got somethin to test :) Apr 01 04:54:31 I have a device that needs a doctor anyway, so I can test and it doesn't matter if it breaks Apr 01 04:57:03 the good thing about the new ones it that nothing will break as there is no file patching involved! :D Apr 01 04:57:26 then how does it work?? Apr 01 05:00:55 the synergy system reads a series of files to find the definition of the services and the parameters involved, and uses it to create the buttons on the add accounts page, then a service similar to the imlibpurple service that binds to the original plugins, runs in parallel, listening for the new services Apr 01 05:01:19 everything gets tied in in the messaging account with no patching involved, everything is done via service calls Apr 01 05:03:09 but a luna boot is still required, right? Apr 01 05:03:16 full reboot Apr 01 05:03:26 ahh.. ok Apr 01 05:04:03 yeah, for some reason the Pre reads the files early in the boot, I suppose to create database stuff... Apr 01 05:04:19 makes sense. it is linux lol Apr 01 05:04:38 All credit goes to Greg Roll, who found out that the Pre uses libpurple and went to find a way to add the plugins, back in the 1.2.x times :D Apr 01 05:04:51 yeah for sure Apr 01 05:05:06 wow.. this has been out that long? Apr 01 05:07:40 yep... back in the day it involved lots of patching Apr 01 05:08:43 all I ever used was the @chat.facebook.com patch for 1.4.x Apr 01 05:12:15 well guys, gotta go, it's still early and I'd like to sleep a bit more than these last few days (2-4 hours top) Apr 01 05:13:00 wow.. well night Apr 01 05:52:38 yo Apr 01 05:53:54 how come I wouldn't see the default profiles in govnah when I have a kernel installed? Apr 01 05:55:45 never mind... I shouldn't have asked that yet as I'm going to bed... Apr 01 05:55:53 sorry, well, night Apr 01 06:05:47 Hrm, anyone had issues with alarms being "forgotten" on a Pre 1, internals-doctored to 2.1? Apr 01 07:11:23 Anyone know anything about the 'free Pre2's for qualified developers' program? I have a question... Apr 01 07:14:53 sure, i got one via it Apr 01 07:18:43 just wondering has anyone thought of doing a rar/unrar port Apr 01 07:19:53 DaemnChyld: looks like there is an unrar in ipkg-opt? Apr 01 07:20:11 Palm Pre / # ipkg-opt list | grep unrar Apr 01 07:20:11 unrar - 3.9.8-1 - unrar is an application that can decompress files and archives created using the RAR compression scheme Apr 01 07:20:18 yeah, it's available as a command line thing from optware Apr 01 07:21:08 hmmm thought I alread have optware installed. is that the same that had zip/unzip Apr 01 07:22:55 humm i am having a problem trying to remove a patch Apr 01 07:23:12 Try ripping it off really fast. I hear it helps with bandaids... :-) Apr 01 07:23:23 i was just trying to work out why but can not find the rejects file... Apr 01 07:23:55 lol zinge, if only i could find the edge Apr 01 07:26:57 ipkg: write: No space left on device Apr 01 07:26:58 is that bad? Apr 01 07:30:44 is that in the preware under optware Apr 01 07:34:05 What does "rescan" do in Preware's Luna Manager Apr 01 07:34:05 ? Apr 01 07:34:06 guess I am just blind Apr 01 07:34:33 Xuzz: rescans the list of installed applications Apr 01 07:34:37 should not be required on 2.x Apr 01 07:35:00 okay, so I probably need that if I manually changed the name of an app? Apr 01 07:35:11 yep, or a Luna Restart perhaps Apr 01 07:38:06 where do I get ipkg-opt thought I installed it but unrar doesn't seem to be there. I installed mobi.optware.ipkg-opt Apr 01 07:38:51 Optware Advanced Linux Command Line Installer (or some name like that) Apr 01 07:38:57 install it from Preware Apr 01 07:39:05 yeah that's what I installed Apr 01 07:39:30 do I have to restart luna or the phone Apr 01 07:41:05 or do I use it through bash Apr 01 07:41:23 I am using terminal Apr 01 07:42:07 DaemnChyld: from terminal, you'd do something like "ipkg-opt install unrar" Apr 01 07:45:11 nope. get an error when doing that Apr 01 07:45:41 cannot find pkg unrar Apr 01 07:46:16 bash looks so much better Apr 01 07:52:51 well I don't know. maybe the name is not unrar wouldn't it be a pkg name Apr 01 07:53:20 keeps saying can't find package unrar Apr 01 07:55:08 got it! Apr 01 07:55:30 did ipkg-opt update to update list then install unrar Apr 01 07:56:02 knew I would figure it out if kept trying lol Apr 01 07:56:28 cool feature Apr 01 07:56:46 btw android sucks balls Apr 01 07:57:35 need to go Apr 01 07:58:03 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Apr 01 07:58:14 searching the wiki, first hit. Apr 01 08:07:11 I haven't played with irssi on the pre in a long while. was still getting used to the keyboard the last time I tried :) Apr 01 08:07:29 now it's easy Apr 01 09:29:23 ah fuck. Apr 01 09:29:27 I think I borked my camera Apr 01 13:58:57 Hi Apr 01 14:05:33 Hello, I am revently WebOS 2.1 on a Palm Pre. I installed Preware and when run, it never go beyond check device type Apr 01 14:06:07 Sorry, I recently upgraded to 2.1 on my Original Pre. Apr 01 15:50:48 @uNiXpSyChO: I have just bought an iPhone4. I am now part of the b0rg. No more kernels. Apr 01 16:27:00 lol Apr 01 16:27:16 Can someone please help me? I need 5 dollars to renew my domain before tommorow. I am willing to do work for the money, or ill be able to pay you back on wendsday. Can someone please help? Im good at graphics. Apr 01 16:33:57 Hi, I'm having trouble installing Preware. It seems that I'm missing wget after upgrading to WebOS 2.1. The file size of wget is 0 byte, and with no permission granted. Apr 01 16:36:49 Hendrix67: You don't need wget to install Preware... Apr 01 16:38:20 I installed it with all the suggested ways (except command line because of wget), and when I run it, it never get past checking access services Apr 01 16:39:14 what page did you read to install it? (maybe it was an outdated one) Apr 01 16:39:58 NuttyBunny: Then I tried installing with older version of Quick Install, it asked to run a script then throw ERROR. So I guess it was trying to run wget to get required files. Apr 01 16:41:06 This one: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Apr 01 16:41:54 Ok, use the palm-install method, that works almost always :) Apr 01 16:45:59 did that, same result Apr 01 16:47:32 the app was installed, but when run, it just keep circling. Never get past the fist scfreen Apr 01 16:47:36 screen Apr 01 16:48:21 by the way. I'm running WebOS 2.1 on a Pre Apr 01 16:50:19 Only reason I want to install Preware is to get UberKernel and Govnah. Can they be installed without Preware? Apr 01 16:51:54 mmm... no, Preware is the supported install method Apr 01 16:52:28 look for the Preware icon, press the orange button and tap the Preware icon, it should show you a popup, tap delete Apr 01 16:52:39 reboot, and try to install it again with palm-install Apr 01 16:53:06 ok will try that. Thanks Apr 01 16:53:30 By the way, my wget is 0 byte. Definitely something wrong with it right? Apr 01 16:53:47 wget, on your Pre or on your computer? Apr 01 16:53:54 my Pre Apr 01 16:54:08 mmm... definitely wrong Apr 01 16:54:26 anyway I can get a copy of correct one? Apr 01 16:55:55 yep, you can open the webos doctor file with an archive manager like winrar, look for the resources/webos.tar file, open that too, look for the rootfs file (I don't remember the name), inside that you'll find the filesystem that gets copied to your Pre Apr 01 16:56:03 Might be because after upgrade, it fail to reboot automatically. I redo it twice same result. So I remove the cable, then it booted with 2.1. Other than wget, everything seems to be working OK. Apr 01 16:56:31 Great! Thanks Apr 01 16:56:51 yeah, try first with the wget file before reinstalling preware Apr 01 16:57:55 OK. Apr 01 16:58:01 doing it now Apr 01 17:11:05 installation completed! Apr 01 17:11:12 but I see no Icon. Apr 01 17:11:23 Rebooting. Maybe that will help Apr 01 17:15:24 no icon? that's odd, it should appear the moment you install it with palm-install Apr 01 17:29:16 ok Apr 01 17:29:53 my problem is this. after copy wget over, I can't just run wget it return help for busybox. Apr 01 17:30:14 So I need to run # busybox wget ... Apr 01 17:30:48 and I think the script itself also call wget which return the help (this is how I intepret the log file) Apr 01 17:31:57 it said "Setup Completed" on the last line but have errors on earlier lines Apr 01 17:32:38 you did copy wget to /usr/bin, right? Apr 01 17:32:52 aaah, I see Apr 01 17:32:55 you're right Apr 01 17:32:57 it's a link Apr 01 17:33:45 I copied to /usr/bin correct Apr 01 17:34:06 how can I create this link Apr 01 17:34:16 mm.. ok, on the terminal first delete wget Apr 01 17:34:21 rm /usr/bin/wget Apr 01 17:34:26 then create the link Apr 01 17:34:31 ok Apr 01 17:34:45 ln -fs ../../bin/busybox /usr/bin/wget Apr 01 17:34:49 that should do the trick Apr 01 17:35:03 if it throws some error: Apr 01 17:35:10 cd /usr/bin Apr 01 17:35:18 ln -fs ../../bin/busybox wget Apr 01 17:39:08 ok wget is working now Apr 01 17:39:12 trying install Apr 01 17:40:42 cool Apr 01 17:42:03 installed. and running. Still at "Checking Service Access" Apr 01 17:42:25 mmm.. no, it should not take long Apr 01 17:42:38 still going Apr 01 17:42:49 type the following in the terminal Apr 01 17:42:51 ps ax | grep ipkg Apr 01 17:42:56 you should see a line with: Apr 01 17:43:00 1278 ? SLs 0:00 /var/usr/sbin/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice Apr 01 17:43:03 (or similar) Apr 01 17:43:24 it you don't try rebooting once more, it should run on boot Apr 01 17:43:55 it's the packaging Service right? Apr 01 17:44:16 I read some where that this might be the problem. I see no such job on mine Apr 01 17:45:07 yep, that's it Apr 01 17:45:13 in case I don't have it. Can it be installed separately? Apr 01 17:45:50 nop, it comes with preware, you may have to uninstall and reinstall, but I think there's something wrong with your Pre Apr 01 17:47:21 here, copy this one, it will check if all the binaries that should be linked to busybox are there: Apr 01 17:47:26 probably, because the 2.1 doctor did not complete as it suppose to. I mean my phone was not rebooted automatically Apr 01 17:47:36 yep, maybe that's it :( Apr 01 17:48:03 but as I said everything else seems to be working OK. Apr 01 17:48:15 for i in [ [[ awk basename chrt chvt cksum clear cmp comm cryptpw cut deallocvt diff dirname du env expand expr find ftp get ftpput head hexdump id install less logger md5sum mkpasswd nmeter nohup open vt passwd patch printf pscan readlink renice reset resize seq setkeycodes sha1sum sort split strings tail taskset tcpsvd tee test tftp time tr traceroute tty ttysize udpsvd unexpand uniq unzip wc wget which who whoami xargs yes; do ls -l $i | g Apr 01 17:48:15 rep -v busybox; done Apr 01 17:48:39 both lines go together Apr 01 17:49:00 whoa Apr 01 17:49:27 meaning the last bit is grep -v busybox; Apr 01 17:49:41 do I need the word done as well? Apr 01 17:51:44 yep Apr 01 17:51:52 from the "for" to the "done" Apr 01 17:51:59 copy all to terminal and run? Apr 01 17:52:14 yep, copy it on a single line and press enter Apr 01 17:52:47 if there are incorrect links it will throw them, and if there are missing files, it will tell you too Apr 01 17:56:58 lot of them Apr 01 17:58:03 did any of them say "No such file or directory"? ot it just displays them like: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 19748 Feb 1 19:52 appname Apr 01 17:58:23 lots of no such file or directory Apr 01 18:00:42 crap... ok, let's fix them Apr 01 18:01:52 how? Apr 01 18:01:59 hold on a sec Apr 01 18:02:06 shell wizardry ;) Apr 01 18:03:03 :) Apr 01 18:03:14 My unix is very rusty. Apr 01 18:03:45 you could just do Apr 01 18:03:54 ;) Apr 01 18:04:07 for i in [ [[ awk basename chrt chvt cksum clear cmp comm cryptpw cut deallocvt diff dirname du env expand expr find ftp get ftpput head hexdump id install less logger md5sum mkpasswd nmeter nohup open vt passwd patch printf pscan readlink renice reset resize seq setkeycodes sha1sum sort split strings tail taskset tcpsvd tee test tftp time tr traceroute tty ttysize udpsvd unexpand uniq unzip wc wget which who whoami xargs yes; ln -fs ../../bi Apr 01 18:04:08 n/busybox $i; done Apr 01 18:04:25 of course, it's ln -fs ../../bin/busybox $i; done Apr 01 18:05:06 but looking at this you really should redoctor, we don't know what else may be missing ;) Apr 01 18:06:05 I was thinking the same. But your script, what does it do? Apr 01 18:06:52 creates links for every file in the list Apr 01 18:06:58 ok relink all the commands Apr 01 18:07:02 they're set up that way in my Pre Apr 01 18:07:07 2.1 too Apr 01 18:07:21 Awesome isn't it. Apr 01 18:07:43 Do you also everclock it? Apr 01 18:08:03 yep, 800/500, F105 Apr 01 18:08:42 cool Apr 01 18:08:43 it's a nice tradeoff between speed and battery life, besides it doesn't get as hot as it does at 1Ghz Apr 01 18:09:05 too bad it can't go lower than 500Mhz, I'd love to have it at 250 with the screen off :) Apr 01 18:09:09 I moved from N900 to Pre Apr 01 18:09:44 got an error from the script (expecting "do") Apr 01 18:10:11 ah, yes... after the yes... Apr 01 18:10:13 do we put "do" before ln? Apr 01 18:10:16 ok Apr 01 18:10:24 xargs yes; do ln -fs ../../bin/busybox $i; done Apr 01 18:10:26 exactly Apr 01 18:12:10 I ran your first script again and got: Apr 01 18:12:12 ls: [: No such file or directory Apr 01 18:12:12 ls: [: No such file or directory Apr 01 18:12:12 ls: [[: No such file or directory Apr 01 18:12:12 ls: [: No such file or directory Apr 01 18:12:12 ls: [[: No such file or directory Apr 01 18:13:47 whoop Apr 01 18:13:50 hehehe Apr 01 18:13:56 Hendrix67 has quit (Excess Flood) Apr 01 18:14:02 haha Apr 01 18:14:23 I think.. Apr 01 18:14:35 I feel stupid :) Apr 01 18:14:42 pwd Apr 01 18:14:47 where are you in the filesystem? Apr 01 18:14:49 why? Apr 01 18:15:05 we should had changed first to /usr/bin Apr 01 18:15:26 that's why it didn't find anything :S Apr 01 18:15:42 oh ok Apr 01 18:15:58 I was at / Apr 01 18:16:04 cd /usr/bin Apr 01 18:16:05 right :) Apr 01 18:16:13 use the first one: Apr 01 18:16:22 for i in [ [[ awk basename chrt chvt cksum clear cmp comm cryptpw cut deallocvt diff dirname du env expand expr find ftp get ftpput head hexdump id install less logger md5sum mkpasswd nmeter nohup open vt passwd patch printf pscan readlink renice reset resize seq setkeycodes sha1sum sort split strings tail taskset tcpsvd tee test tftp time tr traceroute tty ttysize udpsvd unexpand uniq unzip wc wget which who whoami xargs yes; Apr 01 18:16:27 do ls -l $i | grep -v busybox; done Apr 01 18:16:37 This is what returned: Apr 01 18:16:39 ---------- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 16:09 chvt Apr 01 18:16:40 ---------- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 16:09 chvt Apr 01 18:16:40 ---------- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 16:09 cryptpw Apr 01 18:16:40 ---------- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 16:09 chvt Apr 01 18:16:40 ---------- 1 root root 0 Mar 31 16:09 cryptpw Apr 01 18:17:15 the server will ban you ;) hehehe Apr 01 18:17:25 ok, so, we don't have links, just empty files Apr 01 18:17:35 of course, wget didnt appear on the list, right? Apr 01 18:18:22 wget was like these ones until you fixed it I think Apr 01 18:18:41 try now with.... for yes; do rm $i; ln -fs ../../bin/busybox; done Apr 01 18:18:55 it will delete the file and create the link Apr 01 18:19:18 what's the Apr 01 18:19:35 ah, all the stuff I typed previously :) Apr 01 18:19:43 for i in [ [[ awk basename chrt chvt cksum clear cmp comm cryptpw cut deallocvt diff dirname du env expand expr find ftp get ftpput head hexdump id install less logger md5sum mkpasswd nmeter nohup open vt passwd patch printf pscan readlink renice reset resize seq setkeycodes sha1sum sort split strings tail taskset tcpsvd tee test tftp time tr traceroute tty ttysize udpsvd unexpand uniq unzip wc wget which who whoami xargs yes; Apr 01 18:19:48 oh ok Apr 01 18:19:48 do rm $i; ln -fs ../../bin/busybox; done Apr 01 18:20:04 I got it on my notepad Apr 01 18:20:54 and I should be at /usr/bin Apr 01 18:22:07 yep Apr 01 18:22:20 rm: can't remove '[': Read-only file system Apr 01 18:22:25 ok Apr 01 18:22:34 and lots of others, right? Apr 01 18:22:46 don't paste them ; Apr 01 18:22:48 ;) Apr 01 18:23:04 up until chrt Apr 01 18:23:18 then it start asking at chvt if I really want to remove Apr 01 18:23:21 I cancled Apr 01 18:23:30 the filesystem is normally read only, so we have to unlock it Apr 01 18:23:55 rootfs_open -t <- that's the command, type it Apr 01 18:24:10 and then go ahead with the miniscript again Apr 01 18:25:02 ok Apr 01 18:27:05 ok done. no such files or directory for only 4 items Apr 01 18:27:27 ftp, get, open, and vt Apr 01 18:30:09 shall I remove Preware / reboot / and install again? Apr 01 18:31:14 mmm.. hold on Apr 01 18:32:10 ok Apr 01 18:32:23 and just where the heck did I get those names???... they aren't on mine either Apr 01 18:33:27 heh, funny, it was "ftpget", and "openvt" Apr 01 18:33:40 rm ftpget; ln -fs ../../bin/busybox Apr 01 18:33:47 argh.. Apr 01 18:33:54 rm ftpget; ln -fs ../../bin/busybox ftpget Apr 01 18:34:03 rm openvt; ln -fs ../../bin/busybox openvt Apr 01 18:34:15 those last two, paste them Apr 01 18:34:24 then remove/reboot/install Apr 01 18:35:24 you wouldn't be able to install the kernels anyway, there are several commands that you didn't have properly setup Apr 01 18:35:45 ok Apr 01 18:35:55 one last one Apr 01 18:35:59 go to sbin Apr 01 18:36:02 cd /usr/sbin Apr 01 18:36:30 ls -l setlogcons chroot chpasswd Apr 01 18:36:37 are the three linked to busybox? Apr 01 18:36:53 ugh. I think I broke my pre+'s camera. :( Apr 01 18:36:58 can Apr 01 18:37:06 't even get the LED flashlight patch to work now Apr 01 18:37:38 wgreenhouse: reboots itself? Apr 01 18:37:47 ok Apr 01 18:38:16 NuttyBunny: no Apr 01 18:38:37 camera app just shows a black screen, and "Unable to take a picture" if I click the shutter Apr 01 18:38:39 you mean /sbin right? Apr 01 18:39:16 and the flashlight patch for the main menu (which uses the LED flashbulb for the camera) no longer works either Apr 01 18:39:19 Hendrix67: /usr/sbin , /sbin has other files :S Apr 01 18:40:39 in /sbin the ones linked to busybox are getty, hwclock, ifconfig, ifup, ifdown, loadkmap, pivot_root, route, setconsole, slattach, start-stop-daemon, switch_root Apr 01 18:41:04 wgreenhouse: You've already rebooted several times, I hope, have you? Apr 01 18:41:10 NuttyBunny: yes Apr 01 18:41:13 no links in /usr/bin Apr 01 18:41:18 and even pulled the battery overnight Apr 01 18:41:29 wgreenhouse: custom kernel? Apr 01 18:41:35 yeah, uberkernel Apr 01 18:42:10 NuttyBunny: shall I alltemp to reboot? Apr 01 18:42:19 wgreenhouse: those sometimes break stuff :) uninstall it and see if that fixes the camera, if it does report it in the forums Apr 01 18:42:42 NuttyBunny: or it would not do me any good, and that I should re-doctor Apr 01 18:42:42 Hendrix76: mmm ... yep, reboot, or fix the links in /usr/sbin if you like Apr 01 18:42:49 NuttyBunny: okay. I kind of doubt it was the kernel, as I'd been using that for a couple months, and this just started last night Apr 01 18:42:52 but I'll give it a try Apr 01 18:43:39 Hendrix67: I'd really redoctor, we really don't know what else went missing from the doctor :( Apr 01 18:51:46 NuttyBunny: hi Apr 01 18:53:05 Hendrix67: hi again, long time no see ;) Apr 01 18:53:40 I was saying... Hendrix67: I'd really redoctor, we really don't know what else went missing from the doctor :( Apr 01 18:55:00 haha Apr 01 18:55:18 I reboot now the penguin never go away :( Apr 01 18:55:29 I think I will re doctor Apr 01 18:56:28 yeah I agree Apr 01 18:57:14 really? damn.. :S Apr 01 19:02:55 NuttyBunny: My phone would not boot Apr 01 19:03:06 stuck at the penguin Apr 01 19:03:18 any idea? Apr 01 19:04:34 doctor. Apr 01 19:05:46 yep, doctor :( Apr 01 19:05:54 it wasn't working properly anyway Apr 01 19:06:17 if you want some fun boot it with the volume up and the C key pressed Apr 01 19:06:43 (changes the penguin to a text boot, you may see where the error is), but to fix it is a pain compared to the Doctor Apr 01 19:07:23 yeah i've seen the scrollback here, who knows how deep this goes Apr 01 19:10:47 hehehe... yes, tried to fix it, but the rabbit hole goes deeeeeep :) Apr 01 19:13:06 still at penguin with volume up and usb plug-in. next button not showing up Apr 01 19:14:33 no, no: take off battery and usb cable, press up (keep it pressed), put cable in (it should show a battery with a "?" on it), insert battery, it should show the usb icon Apr 01 19:14:43 (keep the vol up pressed) Apr 01 19:23:07 got it Apr 01 19:23:18 thanks guys Apr 01 19:23:51 thanks for all your help Apr 01 19:24:31 NuttyBunny: so it's common for alternate kernels to screw with the camera? Apr 01 19:24:53 I wouldn't say it's common, but it can happen Apr 01 19:25:03 okay Apr 01 19:25:15 the sequence of events seemed to be that I tried the QR decoder app out of the app cat Apr 01 19:25:28 I've had mine freeze when I was overclocking before Apr 01 19:25:29 and when I viewed the camera output through that, it was all crazy staticy Apr 01 19:25:41 and then after that, trying to use the camera app just got blackness Apr 01 19:25:42 wgreenhouse: Not that common, but it happens... Apr 01 19:25:49 NuttyBunny: okay, that's reassuring Apr 01 19:25:53 simply wouldn't open anymore until I let the phone cool down Apr 01 19:25:54 I was worried I might've broken hardware Apr 01 19:26:10 I've learned that when the camera screws I have to up the voltage a bit (with the new kernels it's quite easy) Apr 01 19:26:42 well, in my case I had been capturing video for about 20 minutes too Apr 01 19:26:44 ah so the electrics of the camera unit are known to be a little sensitive? Apr 01 19:26:58 yeap, since the first custom kernels :) Apr 01 19:27:11 speed affects them, also voltage Apr 01 19:27:18 the veritable canary in the coal mine Apr 01 19:27:32 gotcha Apr 01 19:27:39 well, I think that qr scanner app was the tipping point Apr 01 19:27:46 and I don't really need to be able to scan QRs, lol Apr 01 19:27:49