**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 02:59:58 2011
Apr 05 03:00:13 <NuttyBunny> ~insult NuttyBunny
Apr 05 03:00:15 <infobot> NuttyBunny is nothing but a salty plate of lewd-minded cat-hair-balls
Apr 05 03:00:55 <NuttyBunny> ~reverse hello :)
Apr 05 03:00:57 <infobot> ): olleh
Apr 05 03:01:23 <cwayne> ~reverse racecar
Apr 05 03:01:25 <infobot> racecar
Apr 05 03:01:28 <cwayne> MIND BLOWN
Apr 05 03:01:36 <NuttyBunny> ~piglatin NuttyBunny is nothing but a salty plate of lewd-minded cat-hair-balls
Apr 05 03:01:37 <Tibfib> lol
Apr 05 03:01:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> ~reverse mom
Apr 05 03:01:38 <infobot> UttyBunnynay isway othingnay utbay away altysay ateplay ofway ewd-mindedlay at-hair-ballscay
Apr 05 03:01:40 <infobot> mom
Apr 05 03:02:06 <cwayne> ~reverse cowgirl
Apr 05 03:02:09 <infobot> lrigwoc
Apr 05 03:02:09 <cwayne> inappropriate
Apr 05 03:02:09 * rwhitby reminds folks that you can /msg infobot
Apr 05 03:03:36 <Tibfib> ~reverse Do geese see God?
Apr 05 03:03:38 <infobot> ?doG ees eseeg oD
Apr 05 03:03:47 <Tibfib> :/
Apr 05 03:03:57 <NuttyBunny> Well, I have to do something while pidgin compiles :)
Apr 05 03:04:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> count me in on the beta nuttybunny :)
Apr 05 03:05:22 <NuttyBunny> once it stops crashing :)
Apr 05 03:05:28 <Tibfib> http://norvig.com/pal17txt.html
Apr 05 03:05:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol ok
Apr 05 03:21:19 <wgreenhouse> PatrickC_Pre2: what beta is that?
Apr 05 03:21:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> 1 sec
Apr 05 03:23:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> messaging plugin beta
Apr 05 03:24:49 <wgreenhouse> oh nice, fancy
Apr 05 03:25:42 <wgreenhouse> I've been using wIRC and BitlBee for a while now to get around the Messaging app's stupid limitations
Apr 05 03:25:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep :)
Apr 05 03:25:47 <wgreenhouse> but a proper plugin is really cool
Apr 05 03:26:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> nuttybunny is working on a fbchat plugin for the messaging :)
Apr 05 03:26:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> it works, but its in beta stage atm
Apr 05 03:30:06 <wgreenhouse> man, I hope the TouchPad's virtual keyboard is actually decent
Apr 05 03:30:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here
Apr 05 06:19:10 <frankpre> Howdy!
Apr 05 06:19:32 <frankpre> I found my way here from webos-internals in my quest for a sip/voip app for my pre.
Apr 05 06:20:11 <frankpre> I was using gizmo on my PC but switched to x-lite via sipgate this weekend since google shutdown gizmo
Apr 05 06:20:49 <frankpre> Anyway now that I've got sipgate running I'd like to see if I can get a sip phone for the Pre.  What's the process for becoming an alpha tester for linphone?
Apr 05 06:20:54 <RagingMind> there's linphone for webOS, but it's still in alpha
Apr 05 06:21:04 <RagingMind> frankpre, ask thaibud or rwhitby
Apr 05 06:21:46 <frankpre> Thanks RagingMind!
Apr 05 06:21:50 <rwhitby> frankpre: see /msg and report in the precentral thread
Apr 05 06:24:03 <frankpre> got it, will do!
Apr 05 06:24:32 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 05 06:30:11 <Fuu_> morning
Apr 05 06:30:14 <Fuu_> *good
Apr 05 06:54:40 <sash_> rwhitby: Thanks for the tipp with SDL-Terminal. Works fine.
Apr 05 13:00:56 <ice8lue> heyho
Apr 05 13:01:18 <swisstomcat> yo
Apr 05 13:25:25 <BeKindRewind> Hi. I have a question about bypassing activation with Meta-Doctor. Can someone help me?
Apr 05 13:39:35 <swisstomcat> go ahead
Apr 05 14:34:27 <ice8lue> heyho
Apr 05 14:48:26 <RagingMind> 'ello
Apr 05 14:50:14 <ice8lue> hey
Apr 05 16:37:25 <PatrickC_Pre> is ipkg.preware.org down?
Apr 05 16:42:44 <PatrickC_Pre> ipkg.preware.org is down..I have confirmation from another user that he cannot access it from the browser
Apr 05 16:46:29 <PatrickC_Pre> morning rwhitby
Apr 05 17:29:26 <Kaallis> hi guys, any issue with the webos internal feeds?
Apr 05 17:47:58 <ericvomwalde> HI
Apr 05 17:48:36 <ericvomwalde> could it be that the feeds are all down?
Apr 05 17:48:51 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 05 17:49:22 <ericvomwalde> OK I thougt this was my fault
Apr 05 17:49:31 <ericvomwalde> thx
Apr 05 17:50:14 <ericvomwalde> is there a time when they maybe be back again?
Apr 05 17:51:28 <halfhalo> I don't know when it will be back up, sorry
Apr 05 17:51:50 <ericvomwalde> ok o
Apr 05 17:52:03 <ericvomwalde> no problem thx man
Apr 05 17:52:06 <ericvomwalde> bye
Apr 05 18:35:32 <Adora> will someone kindly send me a direct link to lumberjack?
Apr 05 18:40:46 <RagingMind> Adora, http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.lumberjack_0.4.4_arm.ipk
Apr 05 18:41:43 <Adora> RagingMind:  tyvm  =]
Apr 05 18:41:52 <crashed> is preware down for testing?
Apr 05 18:41:57 <crashed> or something
Apr 05 18:42:11 <halfhalo> no, preware is down due to server stuff
Apr 05 18:42:20 <Adora> oh, are there still ddos issues at the colo?
Apr 05 18:42:31 <RagingMind> the feeds site seems to be working from a computer, so I"m not sure what part is down
Apr 05 18:42:38 <crashed> ok thanks just making sure it wasn't my fault for messing with my phone
Apr 05 18:42:49 <Adora> that link isn't working for me
Apr 05 18:42:50 <mcfleurty> hi
Apr 05 18:42:52 <halfhalo> No, this is a different issue.  The mirror ipkg is pointed at is down
Apr 05 18:42:52 <halfhalo> http://ipkg2.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.lumberjack_0.4.4_arm.ipk
Apr 05 18:43:20 <Adora> halfhalo:  ipkg2 works, thx
Apr 05 18:43:34 <RagingMind> odd. the link I posted works for me
Apr 05 18:43:53 * halfhalo goes back to making on device node load in commonjs modules automagically
Apr 05 18:55:59 <frankpre> Hi Rod.  I installed 1.8 last night on my Pre and will be posting some feedback on WOI, but my wife has a Pixi and wanted to ask if you have a Pixi version as well?
Apr 05 18:57:15 <RagingMind> frankpre, if you use the full irc nick like rwhitby` most clients will pop up letting someone know they were mentioned
Apr 05 18:57:39 <halfhalo> ls
Apr 05 18:57:43 <halfhalo> ...
Apr 05 18:57:47 <RagingMind> and he's in austrailia, so keep time zones in mind ;)
Apr 05 18:58:42 <RagingMind> frankpre, if you still have the link he gave you I"m pretty sure you just change the "pre" part to "pixi"
Apr 05 18:59:33 <frankpre> Ahhh, yea timezone diff would probably put him in bed about this time.  :)  He was on last night but it was almost midnight here in Denver.  I'll try that RagingMind, thanks!
Apr 05 19:00:34 <frankpre> Yep that worked!  Just changed pre to pixi.  Thanks!
Apr 05 19:01:59 <frankpre> I'm guessing everyone is having the same 2 issues?  Audio comes out the back which induces echo on the other end, and it doesn't support DTMF codes so I can't call into conference calls or voicemail systems.
Apr 05 19:02:17 <frankpre> I'll report back on WOI... thanks all!
Apr 05 19:02:59 <RagingMind> I don't pay for dial out so I"m limited to sip:foo@bar.moo type addresses that can't be entered right now
Apr 05 19:04:47 <frankpre> Gotcha.  I'm using google voice to initiate outbound calls, so gvoice dials into linphone and then connects me on the other end.
Apr 05 19:25:55 <r_dame> are the servers for preware down right now?
Apr 05 19:26:06 <halfhalo> yes
Apr 05 19:27:58 <r_dame> awesome i thought installed somethin bad
Apr 05 19:35:58 <zinge> Any suggestions on a cheap place to pick up a T-5 screwdriver for Frankenpre-ing? Just checked my toolbox and my torx set only goes down to T-10 :-/
Apr 05 19:40:28 <NuttyBunny> zinge: There are some nice Truper kits, and they're quite cheap (here in Mexico are about $10), they come with 12 screwdrivers I think
Apr 05 19:43:54 <Mercury> zinge: Where do you live?
Apr 05 19:44:17 <zinge> CA, USA
Apr 05 19:44:23 <Mercury> zinge: Fry's?  Microcenter?
Apr 05 19:44:29 <Mercury> zinge: Sears maybe.
Apr 05 19:45:56 <zinge> True. (I haven't been to an electronics store on the west coast yet.) I'll see how close I am to any of those. I figured it'd be cheaper online, but I'm always nervous about buying tiny screwdrivers without trying them. I had plastic handles and metal bits both break on me from cheap tiny screwdrvier sets
Apr 05 19:46:05 <Mercury> zinge: meritline.com sometimes has...  Usable kits for cheap.
Apr 05 19:48:20 <zinge> You seem hesitant :-)
Apr 05 19:50:22 <Mercury> zinge: Quality can be slightly iffy, and mine has all of the bits unlabeled, but it's a very handy kit regardless.
Apr 05 19:51:15 <Mercury> zinge: Dunno if harberfreight carries those, but if so they should be cheap.
Apr 05 19:52:26 <Loudergood> I just bought a ridiculous set off of amazon
Apr 05 19:52:49 <Loudergood> 31 in electrocscreedriverset it says on it
Apr 05 19:52:56 <zinge> I'm looking on amazon now, but the couple I found have iffy reviews.
Apr 05 19:53:13 <halfhalo> lows has a good one
Apr 05 19:53:17 <halfhalo> lowes*
Apr 05 19:55:00 <zinge> halfhalo: Which brand?
Apr 05 19:55:14 <halfhalo> some random one
Apr 05 19:55:36 <halfhalo> the screwdriver cost around 5 and had tips for a bunch of T-x's, including T5
Apr 05 19:57:48 <zinge> Looks like every one of these places has similar stuff, and I really don't need something that's gonna last forever I guess. Probably just go with Amazon as free student Prime shipping makes it cheaper then the gas money it'd cost to drive somewhere.
Apr 05 19:59:25 <zinge> This thing look acceptable? http://www.amazon.com/Maxtech-16521MX-32-Piece-Precision-Bit/dp/B000MF754W/
Apr 05 20:21:31 <Kaallis> Anyone online?
Apr 05 20:21:50 <Mercury> zinge: That looks like a decent set with the one you need in it.
Apr 05 20:21:57 <zinge> Sounds good, thanks
Apr 05 20:22:19 <Kaallis> anyone having issue with webos quick install not loading feeds?
Apr 05 20:22:49 <halfhalo> feeds are down
Apr 05 20:22:53 <zinge> AFAIK the feeds are down at the moment?
Apr 05 20:23:07 <Kaallis> do we have an ETA on when they will be back?
Apr 05 20:24:13 <halfhalo> not atm
Apr 05 20:24:44 <Kaallis> could I suggest putting a message on preware.org and precentral saying that it is down
Apr 05 20:34:36 <abegee> are webosinternals preware feeds down?
Apr 05 20:34:48 <halfhalo> yes
Apr 05 20:34:51 <Mercury> abegee: Yes.
Apr 05 20:35:23 <abegee> thanks, I wasn't sure if the issue was on my side
Apr 05 20:37:26 <zag> hi
Apr 05 20:38:33 <zag> does someone knows a way to stream video to the palm pre?
Apr 05 20:38:49 <zag> i am trying to do that, but nothing works
Apr 05 20:50:44 <qotsa> I guess you already know that preware feeds server is down. Any news on that?
Apr 05 20:53:05 <halfhalo> not at the moment
Apr 05 21:16:07 <zag_> precentral down?
Apr 05 21:16:14 <zag_> preware?
Apr 05 21:42:53 <Addie> would like my money back for the download of Preware, I am unable to get it because the URL is invalid
Apr 05 21:43:40 <halfhalo> The feed server is broken at the moment, its a known issue
Apr 05 21:43:56 <Addie> how long has it been down?
Apr 05 21:44:03 <halfhalo> since earlier today
Apr 05 21:44:35 <Addie> just today? because I have seen posts on precentral that go back futher then today
Apr 05 21:44:56 <halfhalo> The current outage is just from earlier today
Apr 05 21:45:15 <Addie> okay, when do they expect it to be back up?
Apr 05 21:45:47 <halfhalo> I don't know, but I am guessing soon
Apr 05 21:46:46 <Addie> okay so I guess I will just keep trying, thank you
Apr 05 21:47:39 <halfhalo> give it half an hour or so, the fix is in place now
Apr 05 21:52:38 <kumasokka> Hello!
Apr 05 21:57:09 <RickNY> Does anyone know if there is a problem with ipkg.preware.org at the moment?
Apr 05 21:57:20 <rwhitby> "would like my money back for the download of Preware" - heh
Apr 05 21:57:39 <rwhitby> RickNY: just waiting for DNS to propagate to the alternate mirror
Apr 05 21:58:33 <Loudergood> fun stuff
Apr 05 21:58:49 <RickNY> Gotcha.. So my meta-doctored Pre minus with 2.1.0 failing when I launch Preware is just a temporary condition, I guess and nothing to worry about?
Apr 05 21:59:42 <Loudergood> and here we go on the franken pre2 vzw edition..
Apr 05 22:00:59 <kumasokka> RickNY:  Did you get Sprint Navigation working?
Apr 05 22:02:53 <RickNY> No -- haven't tried.. I bought a new phone and figured I would play around with my old Pre on 2.1.0 until HP comes out with the Pre 3.. I have to say the whole meta doctor thing is a pretty incredible piece of work.. Nice job
Apr 05 22:03:36 <RickNY> My Pre is wi-fi only for now
Apr 05 22:03:47 <kumasokka> Ahh, very cool
Apr 05 22:04:38 <kumasokka> I'm working on backing up my Pre right now....currently running 2.0.1, doctoring to 1.4.5 to get the PRL information, and then metadotoring to 2.1.0.  I'm nervous, hah.
Apr 05 22:05:27 <RickNY> I wasnt so nervous since I wasnt using the phone anymore
Apr 05 22:05:54 <RickNY> If it was my daily phone, then yeah.. Thats why I waited until I had something new
Apr 05 22:08:03 <RickNY> You know.. This was strange...... Just for conversation.....
Apr 05 22:08:30 <RickNY> I picked up an Evo Shift 4G a couple weeks ago.. Its been the only active phone on my account with Sprint...
Apr 05 22:08:43 <RickNY> I got home today from work...
Apr 05 22:08:52 <RickNY> And my Pre received an SMS message
Apr 05 22:08:59 <RickNY> even though its deactivated
Apr 05 22:09:11 <RickNY> and that SMS message never made it to my current phone
Apr 05 22:14:42 <RickNY> Ah TTL ran out on DNS.. Now Im getting the feeds
Apr 05 22:16:46 <kumasokka> Save/Restore doesn't do Notes.
Apr 05 22:16:48 <kumasokka> Darn it.
Apr 05 22:18:21 <Loudergood> and cheap screwdriver bit fail
Apr 06 00:09:14 <thynctank> oye, trying to figure out the "wipe my contacts and restore" deal... anyone done that recently?
Apr 06 00:14:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> to restore to factory condition?
Apr 06 00:14:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> ~doctor
Apr 06 00:14:53 <infobot> i heard doctor is Dr Who a renegade Time Lord who travels through time and space in this Tardis (cleverly disguised as a police box) fighting evil in all its forms and kicking some serious ass
Apr 06 00:15:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, that didn't work... webos doctor will do that
Apr 06 00:15:38 <thynctank> don't want to go to factory, just want to kill contacts and bring it back
Apr 06 00:15:54 <thynctank> I certainly want to avoid waiting for all the previous apps to download again
Apr 06 00:16:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> delete all profiles that are synced with contacts?
Apr 06 00:16:14 <thynctank> I know I got the contacts thing remedied on my Pre1 via doctor, but I'd like to avoid if at all possible
Apr 06 00:16:31 <thynctank> all my data that's missing is from one profile
Apr 06 00:16:40 <thynctank> which I've tried deleting and adding again to no avail
Apr 06 00:16:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm why are you doing this?
Apr 06 00:16:51 <thynctank> will try deleting them all I guess
Apr 06 00:16:55 <thynctank> just got a new Pre2
Apr 06 00:17:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> and you want to do what?
Apr 06 00:17:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> transfer the contacts to the pre2?
Apr 06 00:17:17 <thynctank> I just restored all my stuff but contacts are gone
Apr 06 00:17:18 <thynctank> yes
Apr 06 00:17:25 <thynctank> it's all Google contacts
Apr 06 00:17:33 <thynctank> so the data is out there still
Apr 06 00:17:46 <thynctank> thanks for the help by the way
Apr 06 00:17:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> add that google account then?
Apr 06 00:17:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> np
Apr 06 00:18:05 <thynctank> it's already been added but the contacts don't show up
Apr 06 00:18:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> check online to see if the contacts show up in the gmail
Apr 06 00:18:21 <thynctank> in account settings or whatever it says 187 contacts but they don't show in the actual list
Apr 06 00:18:27 <thynctank> yes they do
Apr 06 00:18:33 <thynctank> in browser etc
Apr 06 00:18:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmmm. hit the "sync now" button?
Apr 06 00:18:42 <SineOt> it probably hasn't synced over yet
Apr 06 00:18:45 <thynctank> ye tried that too
Apr 06 00:18:47 <SineOt> in contacts do a sync now, let it work
Apr 06 00:18:49 <SineOt> then restart
Apr 06 00:18:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I haven't had this problem yet, so I'm just shootin blind lol
Apr 06 00:19:20 <thynctank> also anyone know if the default Pre2 back is touchstone capable? It looks identical and I don't remember if the original Pre1 back looked identical or not
Apr 06 00:19:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes it is
Apr 06 00:19:40 <thynctank> yeah I had this problem on one of my Pre1s unfortunately so it's not the first time for me
Apr 06 00:19:48 <thynctank> but last time I ended up doctoring and bleh
Apr 06 00:20:00 <thynctank> it's great if all is shot to hell but I'd like to avoid it this early in the game
Apr 06 00:20:31 <thynctank> ok great (about the back) because my old touchstone back is all dirtied up ha
Apr 06 00:21:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> you can avoid doctoring by just doing an erase apps and data, and have it re-sync everything
Apr 06 00:21:41 <thynctank> yeah too many big apps, takes forever
Apr 06 00:21:54 <thynctank> and Palm has no way of deleting apps from profile as I've been bitching about
Apr 06 00:22:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> what do you mean?
Apr 06 00:22:10 <thynctank> I'll do it when and if it comes down to it obvious
Apr 06 00:22:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> yea they do
Apr 06 00:22:16 <thynctank> they do?
Apr 06 00:22:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> go to software manager on the pre2
Apr 06 00:22:30 <thynctank> all the apps I've ever installed always come back
Apr 06 00:22:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> and swipe to delete :)
Apr 06 00:22:36 <thynctank> ah this is new to webOS 2?
Apr 06 00:22:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> not really
Apr 06 00:23:05 <thynctank> mmmmkay
Apr 06 00:23:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> you could go into the app menu when viewing an app in the app store and hit delete app
Apr 06 00:23:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> on 1.4.5
Apr 06 00:23:22 <thynctank> I deleted apps on webOS 1.x plenty of times and had them come back on profile restore
Apr 06 00:23:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> at least, on my Pixi
Apr 06 00:23:36 <thynctank> so you had to do it from app store?
Apr 06 00:23:46 <thynctank> deleting from launcher isn't good enough
Apr 06 00:23:48 <thynctank> ?
Apr 06 00:24:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm. not 100% sure if it created the same effect
Apr 06 00:24:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> just delete the apps, and go into the backup app, backup, and it *should* work
Apr 06 00:25:57 <thynctank> hmm ok
Apr 06 00:26:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not guaranteeing it will work.. but it *should*
Apr 06 00:26:50 <thynctank> ha yeah I'll sue if not
Apr 06 00:26:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 06 00:27:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides behind law office
Apr 06 00:27:22 * PatrickC_Pre2 and oil
Apr 06 00:27:34 <thynctank> nice
Apr 06 00:28:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil will save me
Apr 06 00:28:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> make you slip when coming at me with the court order :)
Apr 06 00:33:44 <thynctank> haha, restart after remove/add/sync worked
Apr 06 00:34:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> :D
Apr 06 00:34:35 <thynctank> i wish speed dials got backed up, they never have that I'm aware
Apr 06 00:34:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> no, but your texts do now :)
Apr 06 00:36:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> and you have voice dialing now, so I don't even use speed dial any more
Apr 06 00:43:11 <thynctank> guess I'm all set other than homebrew stuff. Wasn't so bad other than the contact snafu
Apr 06 00:43:11 <thynctank> anyway later on folks
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