**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 06 02:59:58 2011 Apr 06 03:46:39 anyone else have the "eWeather and News" app installed? Apr 06 04:12:28 facebook chat patch isn't working can anyone fix it Apr 06 04:14:25 utiz was impatient ... Apr 06 04:18:36 wow.. Apr 06 04:24:21 no- where near the record Apr 06 04:25:13 what's the record?? Apr 06 04:25:30 something like 15 seconds Apr 06 04:25:37 wow.... Apr 06 04:26:22 and no one answered him in that 15 seconds?? I cant believe that!! lol Apr 06 04:28:17 night halfhalo Apr 06 04:59:25 RagingMind: Apr 06 05:03:07 oops Apr 06 05:27:02 gkatsev, ? Apr 06 05:55:48 [A Apr 06 06:18:00 question, is the unlocked gsm developer Pre 2 only a GSM phone, or is it one of those "world phones" that has both radios inside? Apr 06 06:18:48 GSM Apr 06 06:19:25 ah ok Apr 06 06:21:34 and I may have missed this answer when I was last here - is there a good alternative to the Srint Navigation app if I were to convert my Pre 2 to Sprint? Apr 06 06:24:23 is an American (AT&T) GSM Pre+ able to operate without issue on European networks? (assuming I buy service) Apr 06 06:31:37 GSM yes. 3G no. Apr 06 06:31:59 since "3G" means something different and incompatible in each region, got it :) Apr 06 06:32:22 well, everyone except the US generally agrees. Apr 06 06:32:32 hehe Apr 06 06:32:36 the US can't even agree internally Apr 06 06:32:40 right Apr 06 07:00:36 hello Rod, are you there? Apr 06 07:03:42 Frankk: yes Apr 06 07:05:41 I was just impatient to know about the pre-activation of unlocked pre 2 Apr 06 07:08:15 I have an unlocked Pre2 with activation bypassed with #*devmode# command Apr 06 07:08:35 Are you going to make the procedure public in the future? Apr 06 07:09:23 Frankk: where are you? Apr 06 07:09:36 Italy Apr 06 07:09:51 Frankk: see /msg Apr 06 07:18:17 ahoy again folks. Hoping to get preware back on device (well on the new device) but having issues Apr 06 07:18:37 it's claiming to be in developer mode but novaterm/quick install don't see it... Apr 06 07:18:45 tried switching usb cables with no luck Apr 06 07:19:17 this is a Pre 2, never had this problem on my Pre 1 Apr 06 07:30:20 thynctank: do you have the sdk installed? Apr 06 07:30:50 I grabbed it again recently but I'm about to grab it again just in case that's the issue Apr 06 07:30:55 I feel like it isn't though Apr 06 07:33:00 thynctank: the 1.4.5 sdk doesn't recognize the pre2 Apr 06 07:33:16 nah I definitely had a 2.x dealy Apr 06 07:33:33 had been playing with it from forever ago Apr 06 07:34:07 super happy the device doesn't feel super noticeably slower on device than in emulator too Apr 06 07:34:12 wow double super Apr 06 08:42:17 Frankk: back Apr 06 08:43:19 later folks Apr 06 09:45:02 I'm thinking about diving a little more into webOS development... my target: a GroupDAV synergy plugin... my question here: have there been a lot of changes regarding Synergy between 2.1 and 3.0? so when starting with the 2.1 SDK now (to also benefit from the development on my Pre- running 2.1), would it be easy to port it to 3.0? Apr 06 09:48:12 eliasp: you should sign up for early access and get 3.0 to look Apr 06 09:49:28 ok... very likely my development of the GroupDAV synergy won't be finished before the Pre³ is released ... so no need to take care of 2.1 :) Apr 06 09:50:22 until now, I'm a Perl/Ruby dev with only some basic knowledge of C/C++... so it might anyways take some time to dive into C/C++ ... Apr 06 09:50:22 the most challenging part will be probably to get the PDK running on Linux :) Apr 06 09:50:58 we have a wiki page for that Apr 06 09:51:13 oh, someone actually already worked this out? fantastic :) Apr 06 09:51:22 we made our own basically Apr 06 09:51:28 WIDK Apr 06 09:51:53 ah, I remember.. yes... but isn't WIDK for 1.x/2.x only? I'll better take a look at the wiki for more information :) Apr 06 09:52:08 there is a page for WIDK, and a page for PDK on Linux. Different things Apr 06 09:52:24 obviously we can't do a page about a 3.0 SDK, since it's under NDA Apr 06 09:52:29 yep, true Apr 06 09:52:57 hmm, does 3.0 SDK mean, it's only the 'SDK' part as the SDK of 2.x or does 3.0 SDK mean it's SDK + PDK? Apr 06 09:53:26 the PDK has been distributed with the SDK since 2.x Apr 06 09:53:31 (maybe earlier) Apr 06 09:53:51 ok, so it's very likely (NDA ...) part of the 3.0 SDK :) Apr 06 10:57:22 Is there someone who can help me plz Apr 06 10:57:45 vans_21: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Apr 06 10:58:40 why can not I pre palm active Apr 06 10:58:40 he issued a message activation failed Apr 06 10:59:04 more details please? Apr 06 10:59:08 country? carrier? Apr 06 10:59:15 indonesia Apr 06 10:59:35 gsm? Apr 06 11:02:18 cdma Apr 06 11:02:35 they have cdma in indonesia? Apr 06 11:03:42 tthhis inscription warning Apr 06 11:04:56 no Apr 06 11:05:07 describe what you're trying to do Apr 06 11:06:42 I just try to upgrade os from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5 WebOS Apr 06 11:07:20 ok Apr 06 11:07:32 when do you get that message? Apr 06 11:07:41 and how are you trying to upgrade? Apr 06 11:08:32 after upgrading my mobile phone Apr 06 11:09:25 just look at the tutorial from the website hehehehe Apr 06 11:10:51 do you have a link to that tutorial? Apr 06 11:12:12 just look at the tutorial from the website hehehehe Apr 06 11:12:24 which one? Apr 06 11:12:29 HM Im forget Apr 06 11:12:44 when my phone lit after upgrading Apr 06 11:12:44 my phone displays a message Apr 06 11:12:45 activation failed Apr 06 11:12:45 please dial verizon customer service at 1-800-922-0204 from a diffrent Apr 06 11:12:45 Youl need your MEID hex Apr 06 11:12:45 A1000008CD26F8 Apr 06 11:13:23 what should I do: ( Apr 06 11:14:29 i don't know, i'm not from the US Apr 06 11:14:38 you used in on Wifi only before? Apr 06 11:15:54 no Apr 06 11:16:28 I use a usb to upgrade Apr 06 11:16:55 i don't understand how you can use an american cdma phone in indonesia :) Apr 06 11:18:53 :) Apr 06 11:25:07 this link tutorial http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/pre/recoverytool/webosdoctor_faq_carrier_en.html Apr 06 11:36:48 how are you using a cdma phone in indonesia? how does it even work there? Apr 06 14:44:11 mornin' all Apr 06 14:53:23 I am looking for some help. I am trying to install nmap on my pre-plus. Am I in the right place? Apr 06 14:55:11 yep, I think you have to install optware bootstrap and optware package manager in preware, and then use ipkg-opt to install nmap Apr 06 15:00:06 I have Optware Bootstrap installed and Optware Advanced LInux Command Line Installer, I don't see a optware package manager Apr 06 15:00:59 when I do a 'ipkg list' I don't see nmap Apr 06 15:04:05 ah, sorry, command line installer, that's the one Apr 06 15:04:18 you're looking for ipkg-opt , not ipkg :) Apr 06 15:06:51 when I do 'ipkg-opt list' I get 'Successfully terminated.' Apr 06 15:07:31 ipkg-opt update Apr 06 15:08:19 Terminated :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRxt1GiiZiA hehehe Apr 06 15:10:25 playing with freetether and my phone just rebooted :( Apr 06 15:12:29 of course, it doesn't get along with developer mode Apr 06 15:12:38 but no one hears me Apr 06 15:12:43 Awesome thanks NuttyBUnny (and thanks for the video too) Apr 06 15:13:26 http://redmine.webos-internals.org/issues/417 Apr 06 15:13:34 it was working all of yesterday while I was getting my new router to work Apr 06 15:13:40 Se4: You're welcome :) Apr 06 15:13:59 (usb tethering yesterday) Apr 06 15:14:38 today I tried bluetooth and that worked, but when I wanted to go back to usb to compare speed test... my computer wouldn't recognize it anymore Apr 06 15:14:50 turn off dev mode Apr 06 15:15:51 I rebooted my phone manually... still wouldn't connect. then I went to turn off usb tethering Poof! phone rebooted Apr 06 15:16:08 so now I"m slowly getting my computer to where I can reboot it Apr 06 15:16:27 okay... I"m done spamming for now. just frustrated :) Apr 06 15:16:36 PuffTheMagic: around? Apr 06 15:17:39 no, don't reboot the computer Apr 06 15:17:52 use freetether with devmode disabled Apr 06 15:18:12 or do as I do, use usb for development, and bluetooth for tethering Apr 06 15:18:21 anybody know what it takes to get a terminal window via novatool ? currently the "open terminal" button is disabled Apr 06 15:18:39 maybe it isn't available yet :) Apr 06 15:19:08 yeah, wondered about that Apr 06 15:19:14 guess i'll just use novaterm64 Apr 06 15:20:14 NuttyBunny, I had usb tethering working all yesterday with devmode, so I want to be able to get back to that. just need to rule out the computer side Apr 06 15:20:33 all I changed on my computer was I added the phone to my bluetooth profiles Apr 06 15:22:45 RagingMind: No worries, I just tell you that it's not the computer, the same happens in Ubuntu (my case) :) Apr 06 16:10:42 okay, this is nifty. (and a bit of a duh moment) with freetether/usb I can connect my desktop computer to my home's wifi Apr 06 16:11:18 bluetooth tethering is super slow (later I'll try on my laptop to see if it's the adapter I just put in my desktop) Apr 06 16:12:10 as slow as bluetooth is to begin with using wifi as the internet connection has a drastic impact on the download speed, but not upload speed Apr 06 16:12:31 Ah, yeah, most cheap adapters are bluetooth 1.0, and they're sloooooow, I think bluetooth 1.2 is a bit faster. Apr 06 16:12:42 it's 2.(something) Apr 06 16:12:50 both of my mini adapters are Apr 06 16:13:16 my super cheap one is in my laptop and I"ll test that later, the one in my desktop that I just tested is brand new and belkin Apr 06 16:13:34 I had a Cisco one, and it was crap ;) Apr 06 16:14:18 it could be because it's plugged into the back of my computer, but I had the phone sitting *just* around the corner from the adapter for all of my tests Apr 06 16:15:52 what I think is weird is that I was getting 220Kbps down 260Kbps up when on evdo and about 100Kbps down and 240Kbps up on wifi Apr 06 16:16:11 something about the wifi was really impacting the download speed Apr 06 16:20:55 mmm... yep, that's weird, but I also have trouble whever my Pre and my 3g modem are near, the modem just keeps disconnecting until I move the Pre a few cms away Apr 06 16:21:02 Hi Chuqui Apr 06 16:21:20 hola! Apr 06 16:22:54 Hola, did you get my pm on the dev forum? :) Apr 06 16:33:16 i want to retreieve a stored WEP key from my pre.... anybody know where its stored ? Apr 06 16:34:23 joem_work, you could check the save/restore code. it backs up wifi data Apr 06 16:34:37 not sure it's in a readable format though Apr 06 16:35:20 kkthx Apr 06 16:40:31 hm... in freetether can't switch between wifi/3G. borks dns Apr 06 16:40:39 (as internet source) Apr 06 16:41:20 suggest it as a feature :) Apr 06 16:57:41 is there any simple app to show gps information? Apr 06 16:58:00 and which program provides the GPS interfaces? Apr 06 17:00:54 playya, I use mojo tracker or GPS fix Apr 06 17:22:08 OOOOO denied.... tried upg sprintpre to 2.1.0, INFO: ROM Verifyer: /usr/sbin/integcheck IPKG VERIFICATION FAILED, CODE 16; err -1 "Base ROM Failed Verification" Apr 06 17:23:12 oo forum says just go ahead and restart, everythign will be fine Apr 06 17:23:18 * joem_work crosses fingers Apr 06 17:25:29 playya: ##GPS# or #*GPS# Apr 06 17:26:32 oh my god Apr 06 17:26:34 why Apr 06 17:26:42 wont big red release the 2.1 update Apr 06 17:26:49 I NEED hands free dialing Apr 06 17:38:32 interesting... the sign into palm profile didn't work after sprintpre 2.1 upgrade, restored prl files, reboot, now first use works!~ Apr 06 17:38:34 huzzah Apr 06 17:39:43 joem_work: excellent :D Apr 06 17:40:59 next is adding flash Apr 06 17:42:46 nice Apr 06 17:43:03 * Loudergood is franken pre2 ing Apr 06 17:54:31 ok, $5 torx 8 in 1 from lowes > $5 31-in 1 from amazon Apr 06 18:34:20 joem_work, sup Apr 06 18:36:07 hey, any details on the 'open terminal' in novatool ? Apr 06 18:36:18 not impl yet, or am i missing something Apr 06 18:39:45 PuffTheMagic: ^^ Apr 06 20:27:25 damn... palm.com/rom ...I wonder where I went wrong.. Apr 06 20:28:18 what happened? Apr 06 20:28:57 doctor error Apr 06 20:30:40 bah, the clobber didn't work either.. Apr 06 20:30:55 why are you doctoring? Apr 06 20:31:06 franken pre2 ing Apr 06 20:31:16 ah ok Apr 06 20:31:18 moving a gsm pre2 to verizon Apr 06 20:31:55 I've never heard that one before lol Apr 06 20:32:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs SVG support.. Apr 06 20:33:06 is that possible via a patch? Apr 06 20:33:22 doubtful Apr 06 20:33:29 that's something that should be in webkit Apr 06 20:34:00 "should" yes Apr 06 20:34:54 should.. but isnt Apr 06 20:35:23 man.. I wish I know svg and canvas Apr 06 20:35:34 s/and/*and*/ Apr 06 20:35:36 PatrickC_Pre2 meant: man.. I wish I know svg *and* canvas Apr 06 20:36:55 webkit is kind of fragmented like android Apr 06 20:37:11 yeah, it's not much of a "standard" Apr 06 20:37:33 lol, generic Linux webkit lacks @font-face Apr 06 20:37:49 because apple webkit and google webkit both have a way of handling it but kept it to themselves Apr 06 20:38:05 of course considering khtml was a mess before apple sat on it for a few years and hatched webkit I guess it shouldn't be surprising Apr 06 20:38:21 khtml wasn't a mess. :-P Apr 06 20:38:34 or Apple wouldn't have decided to sit on it Apr 06 20:38:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 never heard of khtml Apr 06 20:38:52 well it only had to be less of a mess than gecko Apr 06 20:39:00 it was the renderer in KDE 3.x's Konqueror Apr 06 20:39:07 hello all! My company is jumping on the Email security bandwagon and telling me my Sprint-Pre isn't up to snuff. I'm doing some research and it seems like the only thing I'm really missing is device encryption. has anyone played around with options for this? Apr 06 20:39:10 which for its day was a really nice browser Apr 06 20:39:19 it's still alive in some corners Apr 06 20:39:26 and yes it was Apr 06 20:41:45 I'm looking around the forums and Google in general and I found this: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/205873-full-device-encryption.html Apr 06 20:43:12 lol, ridiculous security people not knowing what they're talking about Apr 06 20:44:42 wgreenhouse: I forget.. are you doing wirc or preware? Apr 06 20:45:17 wirc Apr 06 20:45:35 Well, it seems like my device is pretty close to policy, and if I turn off DevMode I can't (easily) get to the data with the screen lock on, but they're also concerned about someone just taking the storage out of the device physically... Apr 06 20:46:25 flare576: 1) get it out of dev mode if you're no longer doing things like installing software using novacom, it takes down all the firewalls and everything Apr 06 20:46:54 yup, done; I had left it in dev mode 'cause, well, I'm sloppy sometimes :/ Apr 06 20:47:56 I'm always in dev mode Apr 06 20:48:23 PatrickC_Pre2: that's pretty unwise dude Apr 06 20:48:41 I'm a developer, always installing and logging my/others apps Apr 06 20:48:51 why is it unwise though? Apr 06 20:49:09 anyone who jacks your device has 100% access to everything on it. Apr 06 20:49:29 like wgreenhouse said, it takes down your firewalls and most of the security. Apr 06 20:49:34 oh well.. remote device wipe.. palm.com/palmprofile Apr 06 20:49:42 yup, if you get there in time :) Apr 06 20:49:47 lol Apr 06 20:50:17 very few people that jack phones are gonna know what the fuck to do with it though to be fair Apr 06 20:50:22 I don't have anything of that big of importance, except some beta apps Apr 06 20:50:25 hmmm, well, I sent off the Palm Security white paper from a while back to the IT guys; we'll see what they say Apr 06 20:51:02 yea, like.. who has the noacom drivers installed to do stuff to it, or the commands to run Apr 06 20:51:14 ^^ re: people jacking phone Apr 06 20:51:19 I think they're going to come back telling me that unless the data is encrypted on the device, they're going to deactivate my account. I've heard that Android just fakes it; tells the Exchange server "Oh, yeah, I'm totally encrypted man" Apr 06 20:51:52 which, of course, makes me think there might be some way to for me to "adjust" my Pre to do the same. Apr 06 20:51:52 flare576: I believe the Pre's email storage is on the cryptofs partition Apr 06 20:51:54 not positive Apr 06 20:52:09 I... hadn't thought about that... Apr 06 20:52:34 flare576: hehe, you forgot that the platform is at least *partly* encrypted out of the factory? Apr 06 20:52:42 I did actually Apr 06 20:52:54 (it's been a very long time since I had to care) Apr 06 20:53:05 so, the cryptofs is encryped? lol Apr 06 20:53:59 how would I find that out... Apr 06 20:54:49 check the cryptofs section on the device Apr 06 20:54:56 in a terminal, or file manager of some sort Apr 06 20:55:04 are you on windows? Apr 06 20:55:18 throwing it back into dev mode and gonna use novaterm I think. Yes, XP still Apr 06 20:55:37 I can't use WebOS, but I can use IE6.... Apr 06 20:55:45 lol Apr 06 20:55:46 liiiiiiitle backwards Apr 06 20:55:54 do you have the sdk/pdk installed? Apr 06 20:56:12 If I do, it's old (like, pre 1.4.2 old) Apr 06 20:56:37 download the new sdk, and install it :) Apr 06 20:56:46 there is a good file browser in it for webos Apr 06 20:57:10 coolness, if I can't get it to work with novaterm or Internalz, I'll head that way. Apr 06 20:58:11 with novaterm, you have to navigate to that folder in a cmd line.. Apr 06 20:58:13 flare576: the email application's root seems to be outside the crypto partition (/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email/ Apr 06 20:58:15 ) Apr 06 20:58:16 I do think it's funny that, with dev mode on, my phone can be sitting at the "Please insert PIN" screen and I can be surfing the filesystme. Apr 06 20:58:28 with nova-browser (in the pdk) its like a file-browser Apr 06 20:58:37 but the database of emails isn't in there, must be somewhere else Apr 06 20:58:40 I'm ok on the CLI :) Apr 06 20:58:54 ok Apr 06 20:59:21 wgreenhouse: wouldn' that likely be in the "default" db? I can't remmeber what it's called off the top of my head right now :( Apr 06 20:59:29 flare576: yeah, likely Apr 06 20:59:36 is that cryptofs? Apr 06 21:02:49 hrm, been away from this file system too long... Apr 06 21:03:00 could be there.. Apr 06 21:06:06 from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PalmDatabase.db3_File - The file /var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3 is an sqlite database file that appears to contain much of the personal data stored on the Pre. Apr 06 21:06:12 that doesn't bode well Apr 06 21:06:36 flare576: it's Linux. you could replace it with a symlink and move it to cryptofs :) Apr 06 21:07:04 * PatrickC_Pre2 hardly knows linux, but is learning more daily with his trusty VBox :) Apr 06 21:07:10 I can, but I doubt that'd help the other Pre users here that couldn't Apr 06 21:07:37 make it into a patch Apr 06 21:07:59 distribute it via preware, and all can use it Apr 06 21:08:27 it really is a dumb requirement anyway--yes, you can full-device-encrypt an iPhone, no that does not prevent someone with physical access from hacking it in about 6 minutes Apr 06 21:08:49 Only patch I ever wrote was a 5x4 icon launcher adjustment :) Apr 06 21:09:16 wgreenhouse: I agree, doesn't stop 'em from taking away my Synergy :( Apr 06 21:10:29 anyone need a ftp client for webos? Apr 06 21:10:56 flare576: I wonder if anyone's rebased the Pre's whole filesystem Apr 06 21:11:21 into the classic paranoid Linux desktop layout, with just a tiny unencrypted partition for the kernel and bootloader stuff Apr 06 21:11:35 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks wgreenhouse should do it Apr 06 21:11:37 that's sorta what I was hoping to find Apr 06 21:11:53 I dunno, it may already exit Apr 06 21:11:55 where the first thing you see when you power on is a password prompt Apr 06 21:11:55 *exist Apr 06 21:12:33 flare576: you mean like a LUKS setup, where the kernel has the keys? Apr 06 21:12:36 that's gonna be trickier Apr 06 21:12:46 pretty sure Luna has the keys with the pre's encryption Apr 06 21:13:42 Most encryption talk is a little out of my scope Apr 06 21:14:05 which makes finding information a real pain in the asterisk Apr 06 21:14:53 I'm always wary of doing nasty things like resizing partitions and wiping with random characters and shit on a little solid state drive like the Pre's Apr 06 21:15:03 I mean, if you kill the storage, it's not like it's easy to replace Apr 06 21:15:22 yeah, you can't pop out the hard drive and order a new one from Amazon. Apr 06 21:15:38 you an order one from ebay though :) Apr 06 21:16:20 I wonder if I could just lie to IT and tell them "Just discovered that the email db on the phone is stored in /media/cryptofs/, which is device-level encrypted, so we're all good" Apr 06 21:16:49 flare576: I'll keep my ears open. the Pre is closely related (hardware and software) to SHR Linux phones like the Openmoko Freerunner Apr 06 21:16:53 maybe those guys have a hack Apr 06 21:16:55 I thought it was stored? Apr 06 21:16:59 they _are_ beardos, and thus probably paranoid Apr 06 21:17:03 ;-) Apr 06 21:17:24 bears that run DOS? scary Apr 06 21:18:00 that'd be great; in my wandering I've also heard that the Pre3 has native device encryption, but nothing really solid to support it. Apr 06 21:18:03 I meant bearded hackers, like the Richard Stallman stereotype...but yeah, BearDOS would be terrifying Apr 06 21:20:23 great at hibernating though Apr 06 21:20:50 also honeypots Apr 06 21:22:09 Now that I think about it, encrypting the emails would be as simple as moving the databases to somewhere in the cryptofs and placing links in their original places.. :) Apr 06 21:22:27 yeah, that's what wgreenhouse was mentioning Apr 06 21:22:34 I don't know how the sizes would work Apr 06 21:22:49 is it "df" to view partition info? Apr 06 21:23:18 yeah, it looks like the space is shared with /media/internal, so probably no harm there Apr 06 21:24:10 brb, other work calls. Apr 06 21:28:32 flare576: how tech savvy are the other Pre users at your work? I don't know about distributing this as a patch, but it probably could be distributed as a simple shell script Apr 06 21:28:38 for you and your colleagues to run via novaterm Apr 06 21:30:59 I'm pretty sure I'm the only guy with Preware. Apr 06 21:31:19 so, not very Apr 06 21:32:40 grrr, why wouldn't Palm just put it there in the first place.... Apr 06 21:32:49 well, any way you slice it, the fix requires root access, even if just for a moment Apr 06 21:32:56 I guess that's a really good question: What breaks if I put it there.... Apr 06 21:33:12 flare576: probably because idiots would get frustrated about not being able to get contact info off their dead phones Apr 06 21:33:24 the phone store wouldn't be able to do it for you, probably Apr 06 21:33:36 depending on how the keys are stored and used Apr 06 21:34:00 true, that makes sense. I still need to actually figure out if that's the right DB, though; it said contact info, nothing about emails Apr 06 21:34:07 yeah... Apr 06 21:34:09 nothing conclusive Apr 06 21:37:06 NuttyBunny: you know anything about the email DB? Apr 06 21:38:06 * Loudergood gives up on his vzw pre2 project for the evening Apr 06 21:38:19 Loudergood: NO Apr 06 21:38:21 NO GIVING UP Apr 06 21:38:25 do you have a working phone at all? Apr 06 21:38:38 flare576: Not really, but we can look into it ;) Apr 06 21:38:44 * NuttyBunny plugs his Pre Apr 06 21:38:53 nuttybunny can fix anything :) Apr 06 21:39:02 haha I just reassembled the pre plus and am booting it Apr 06 21:39:16 I also have a spare android if shit really hits the fan ;) Apr 06 21:39:17 I'm ok on the CLI, but when I'm searching for stuff I don't really know the name for, I'm pretty much useles Apr 06 21:39:24 and google isn't being overly assistive. Apr 06 21:39:30 except the stupid plugins... (but I think I missed one HUGE package)... I'm recompiling right now ;) Apr 06 21:39:39 flare567: use nova-browser in the pdk :) Apr 06 21:39:51 lol, it works for me :) Apr 06 21:40:10 still need to know the name of what I'm looking for, or it's just going folder-to-folder, and I can type "cd .. " really quick ;) Apr 06 21:40:58 true, I just prefer the nova-browser over CLI for some reason ;) Apr 06 21:41:10 flare576: the easiest way to search for what you need is to pull apart a doctor and expand the file system image Apr 06 21:41:44 SineOt: Real men tinker over their live device filesystem....... in read/write mode :D Apr 06 21:41:45 hehehe Apr 06 21:41:53 lol Apr 06 21:41:55 hah Apr 06 21:42:05 man, I just unpack the tar and let Spotlight find everything I need :T Apr 06 21:42:13 yup, pre plus is alive Apr 06 21:42:20 whenever I am working on patches, I always use the live device :) Apr 06 21:42:22 since most of it's not binaries I even get in document content search! :U Apr 06 21:42:28 ./remount - it's what the cool kids are into Apr 06 21:42:42 cd /var; find . -print | grep -i mail Apr 06 21:42:55 click a box Apr 06 21:43:00 SineOt: for flare576 to keep using the Pre at work, security goons are demanding that emails be on encrypted storage Apr 06 21:43:05 I SAVED SO MUCH TIME @_@ Apr 06 21:43:42 SineOt: we had the idea of moving whatever the db for emails is on to /media/cryptofs, and making a symlink Apr 06 21:44:05 Nutty, you rock Apr 06 21:44:15 found? Apr 06 21:44:37 Nutty, you rock Apr 06 21:44:50 looks like /var/luna/emails/bucket2/* is where a lot of the html-type emails live Apr 06 21:45:26 Well, in 2.x they are in /var/file-cache/email Apr 06 21:45:39 looks like /var/luna/emails/bucket2/* is where a lot of the html-type emails live Apr 06 21:45:40 Nutty, you rock Apr 06 21:46:29 ok, we understand :) I rock.. hehehe no need to repeat it, I may believe it :P Apr 06 21:46:43 nutty rocks? I thought he coded? Apr 06 21:47:19 if guitar hero/rock band counts, I can do that also ;) Apr 06 21:47:40 lol Apr 06 21:47:48 brb Apr 06 21:47:49 well, I moved the directory and the email app still seems to work correctly Apr 06 21:48:21 nutty: in 2.x or 1.4.x Apr 06 21:49:07 PatrickC_Away: nutty is in 2.x Apr 06 21:49:11 i'm in 1.4.x Apr 06 21:49:47 I'm going to pitch this idea to IT and see if they'll bite; no sense in mucking up my file system if they're just going to say "Thanks for doing our jobs for us, but we're still not going to allow it" Apr 06 21:49:52 yep, but it may work, the files are in /var, it's a linux filesystem, as cryptofs Apr 06 21:50:43 flare576: in 1.4.5 I have /var/luna/data/emails Apr 06 21:50:59 yup, same here! Apr 06 21:51:16 I had to write the find output to a file to actually see it all, but yup :) Apr 06 21:51:31 looks like the whole /var/luna/data tree might be worth moving Apr 06 21:51:39 cd /var; find . -print | grep -i mail | less Apr 06 21:51:43 as email attachments and temp files from rendering html mails seem to be all over the place Apr 06 21:51:56 and just so I don't sound more dumb than I am, cryptofs is a "partition"? or is there a better term? Apr 06 21:52:13 it's an encrypted loopback filesystem Apr 06 21:52:23 if they know about that, they'll get it Apr 06 21:52:39 they won't, so I'll seem smarter than I am, so that'll help ;) Apr 06 21:53:57 great success! Apr 06 21:54:11 if you look into /media/internal/.palm, you'll find the "same" files, just in encrypted form Apr 06 21:55:40 they won't, so I'll seem smarter than I am, so that'll help ;) Apr 06 21:56:46 NuttyBunny: any insight into why this stuff isn't on the loopback filesystem in the first place? Apr 06 21:56:57 stuff like emails, I mean Apr 06 21:59:14 wgreenhouse: cryptofs is slower :( Apr 06 21:59:26 eh marginally Apr 06 21:59:31 consumes more cpu cycles, battery, etc Apr 06 21:59:55 but I really don't know the real reason :) Apr 06 21:59:58 but that's where the apps are stored... Apr 06 22:00:19 yep, for anti-piracy, I presume Apr 06 22:00:22 NuttyBunny: my guess was consumers being unhapppy when they couldn't restore info from their broken phone at the phone store Apr 06 22:00:24 Apps get read, not written. :p Apr 06 22:01:30 they get written with cookies, and when they are downloaded :p Apr 06 22:02:37 SineOt: It's not "that" easy to get the apps without devmode over usb, but if instead they installed in an unencrypted fs in /media/internal, everyone could done it (piracy) Apr 06 22:03:19 NuttyBunny: I was responding to PatrickC_Pre2 going "but that's where apps are stored" in response to CryptoFS being slower Apr 06 22:03:34 PatrickC_Pre2: cookies are no bigger than 4KB and apps get downloaded a total of once :p Apr 06 22:04:13 lol.. I didn't know cookies were limited to that small Apr 06 22:05:03 The max ipk size for an app is 200Mb :) Apr 06 22:05:23 does wget grab a file? Apr 06 22:05:33 yep, via ftp or http Apr 06 22:05:47 its not working for me... Apr 06 22:06:10 * NuttyBunny recompiles glib-2.0, then libgcrypt, then libgnutls, then libz, then libpurple, then the plugins.. wish me luck Apr 06 22:06:21 what are you trying to download? Apr 06 22:06:38