**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 07 02:59:59 2011
Apr 07 04:30:09 <sirkuttin> Hey guys. I have a dev day pre 2 that i frankened for sprint. wanted to upgrade to 2.1 but webos doctors aren't getting past 8%. so I am trying to follow the intructions to memboot. problem is the boot hangs everytime.
Apr 07 04:37:43 <RagingMind> sirkuttin, someone was in a few days ago with something similar
Apr 07 04:37:53 <RagingMind> what kernel are you membooting?
Apr 07 04:40:19 <sirkuttin> ah didn't even think about that. i have uberkernel running.
Apr 07 04:43:04 <RagingMind> but which doctor/package are you pulling the kernel from?
Apr 07 04:45:39 <sirkuttin> i tried 2.0.0 and 2.0.1
Apr 07 04:46:24 <sirkuttin> from the unlocked pre2 doctors
Apr 07 04:46:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Apr 07 04:46:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you make the meta-doctor for sprint?
Apr 07 04:46:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> or is that not needed?
Apr 07 04:52:05 <RagingMind> sirkuttin, if that's what you had before and it never made it past 8% then I'd guess those should work
Apr 07 04:52:15 <RagingMind> depends on how far the doctor process made it
Apr 07 04:52:52 <rwhitby> sirkuttin: run the doctor on the command line, rather than clicking it.  paste the log in a thread somewhere.  point us to that log.
Apr 07 04:53:13 <rwhitby> java -jar <doctor>
Apr 07 05:07:01 <sirkuttin> rwhitby, I am away from my computer and running cygwin. do you know how to get the log from it?
Apr 07 05:11:58 <sirkuttin> i suppose i will continue this when i get home. thank you guys.
Apr 07 13:41:27 <GundarLordofMacS> hey all - trying to find a webOS Doctor for pre plus to bypass activation
Apr 07 13:41:57 <GundarLordofMacS> either webOS 1.x or 2.x - but i need to be able to update
Apr 07 14:31:32 <GundarLordofMacS> hey all - trying to find a webOS Doctor for pre plus to bypass activation
Apr 07 14:31:40 <GundarLordofMacS> either webOS 1.x or 2.x - but i need to be able to update
Apr 07 14:47:49 <Louder|pre> try metadoctor
Apr 07 15:20:16 <GundarLordofMacS> hey all - trying to find a webOS Doctor for pre plus to bypass activation  - 1.x or 2.x just need to be able to update
Apr 07 15:25:24 <RagingMind> GundarLordofMacS, there's meta-doc that allows you to build a doctor, or you can use the developer tool on palm's website
Apr 07 15:25:57 <RagingMind> GundarLordofMacS, I suggest palm's website mostly because it has the list of what bypassing activation will limit your device to
Apr 07 15:28:10 <GundarLordofMacS> yeah, i read that on their site - it doesn't let you update if you go that route...
Apr 07 15:28:37 <GundarLordofMacS> thanks - i suppose i need to setup a dual boot for the linux cmd line.... fml
Apr 07 15:29:04 <RagingMind> dual boot? for your computer?
Apr 07 15:31:36 <GundarLordofMacS> yeah...  to attempt altering a Doctor for it
Apr 07 15:37:55 <RagingMind> you could install ubuntu in a virtualbox vm
Apr 07 15:38:08 <RagingMind> that's what a lot of people do and find it easier to manage
Apr 07 15:38:18 <RagingMind> but I'm all for people installing linux on their hardware :)
Apr 07 15:41:52 <NuttyBunny> Linux FTW! :D
Apr 07 15:43:18 <GundarLordofMacS> i run ubuntu on my PC, my verizon netbook is 64bit Win7 & my DJ Laptop runs Ubuntu & XP Dual Boot
Apr 07 15:44:07 <GundarLordofMacS> DJ laptop has no usb ports, before anyone suggests using that lol
Apr 07 15:48:49 <NuttyBunny> Chuqui: Hi
Apr 07 15:49:25 <chuqui> hey, morning!
Apr 07 15:49:46 <NuttyBunny> GundarLordofMacS: You can create the Doctor on the DJ Laptop and then transfer it to your Win7 machine to flash your Pre (Or to your PC)... or heck, use the desktop to create the meta doctor!
Apr 07 15:51:12 <GundarLordofMacS> Nutty - what do I need to DL if I did it on the desktop? - just a pre plus VZW doctor?
Apr 07 15:52:01 <NuttyBunny> What device do you have?
Apr 07 15:52:26 <NuttyBunny> ah, to bypass activation, just your device Doctor
Apr 07 15:52:36 <GundarLordofMacS> VZW Pre Plus...
Apr 07 15:53:21 <GundarLordofMacS> can I run the activation bypass tool from a win7 or winXP machine? or do I need a linux cmd line?
Apr 07 15:54:06 <NuttyBunny> Palm's activation tool is a .jar file, runs in any machine with Java
Apr 07 15:54:32 <GundarLordofMacS> excellent thanks
Apr 07 15:55:09 <GundarLordofMacS> have a good day all - FTW - Open Source For All!!!
Apr 07 15:56:33 <NuttyBunny> should I have told him that he won't be able to use the app catalog?
Apr 07 16:02:42 <Louder|pre> nah..
Apr 07 16:03:16 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, he's already read the palm page
Apr 07 16:04:42 <NuttyBunny> ah, ok... he was also asking about "altering a doctor"
Apr 07 16:51:00 <PatrickC_Pre> halfhalo: ping!
Apr 07 16:51:06 <halfhalo> wha
Apr 07 16:51:27 <PatrickC_Pre> I'll PM you
Apr 07 17:58:40 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: pingggggg! :D
Apr 07 17:58:47 <NuttyBunny> he's asleep, isn't he?
Apr 07 17:59:26 <scoutcamper> yep ...
Apr 07 18:00:47 <NuttyBunny> grr... well, it doesn't matter :)
Apr 07 18:51:00 <ice8lue> heyho
Apr 07 18:51:33 <NuttyBunny> hey
Apr 07 18:51:40 <ice8lue> hi NuttyBunny
Apr 07 19:05:55 <PatrickC_Pre> nuttybunny: how's it comin?
Apr 07 19:31:00 <NuttyBunny> Patrick: On hold for the moment until I find out why the hell I don't have paid app access anymore
Apr 07 19:31:49 <PatrickC_Home> ok, thats find
Apr 07 19:31:54 <PatrickC_Home> s/find/fine/
Apr 07 19:31:54 <infobot> PatrickC_Home meant: ok, thats fine
Apr 07 19:32:11 <PatrickC_Home> the app cat problem is a little more important then the patch :)
Apr 07 19:33:28 <NuttyBunny> the problem is that I don't think it will be that easy... stupid profile in Telcel, now appears as 1.4.0, and it appeared as 1.4.5 before... seems that Palm locked us up
Apr 07 19:34:22 <RagingMind> it won't let you reset it to 1.4.0?
Apr 07 19:37:22 <NuttyBunny> yep, and it will stay there, even with a 1.4.5 pre release Doctor that worked before (I had 1.4.5 in the profile)
Apr 07 19:37:48 <NuttyBunny> So, I doctor my Pre with 1.4.5rc, and log to my profile, and I get 1.4.0
Apr 07 19:37:56 <NuttyBunny> and of course, no paid apps
Apr 07 19:38:10 <NuttyBunny> and the funniest thing...
Apr 07 19:38:30 <NuttyBunny> I login to my profile in my Plus (AT&T, but activted in Mexico), and I get 1.4.5
Apr 07 19:38:46 <NuttyBunny> but guess what? the paid apps appear, but I can't buy them
Apr 07 19:39:32 * NuttyBunny keeps trying: "The action could not be completed. Try again later."
Apr 07 19:40:14 * NuttyBunny rants: I should have left the platform the moment Telcel gave us the finger with 1.4.0 :@
Apr 07 19:40:36 <NuttyBunny> but Palm was nice and let us devs use 1.4.5... just to tease
Apr 07 19:41:44 <NuttyBunny> Now I need a stupid Pre 2, and activate it in the US... but of course, Adam won't answer my emails anymore
Apr 07 19:42:08 <RagingMind> :(
Apr 07 19:42:19 <RagingMind> how close to the us are you physically?
Apr 07 19:43:17 <NuttyBunny> Mexico City, about 5000kms, but that's not the problem.... I don't have money to spend in an unlocked Pre 2
Apr 07 19:43:35 <Loudergood> I know rwhitby is working on something...but only for devices that haven't been activated yet so far as I can tell
Apr 07 19:43:35 <NuttyBunny> (Matt Sommer, from Dr. Battery) got his in a week... delivered to Germany
Apr 07 19:43:57 <RagingMind> I was just wondering if it was a quick day trip kind of thing
Apr 07 19:44:11 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: That's right, I toyed around with that
Apr 07 19:44:12 <NuttyBunny> brb
Apr 07 19:45:42 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: And we even found out that I had "no paid app access"... I didn't believe or gave it too much importance until today, angry birds rio day
Apr 07 19:45:56 <NuttyBunny> I really have no paid app access anymore
Apr 07 19:46:05 <Loudergood> that's very odd
Apr 07 19:46:28 <PatrickC_Home> im thinking about buying Angry Birds Rio.. lemme know if its any good
Apr 07 19:46:44 * Loudergood still has a stack of levels to finish first
Apr 07 19:48:22 <RagingMind> there's a rio version?
Apr 07 19:48:49 <PatrickC_Home> released today
Apr 07 19:49:37 <NuttyBunny> And it's not that I want to steal the games from some page... all my apps and games have been paid, I have several from Glu, Angry Birds..
Apr 07 19:50:23 <RagingMind> ah, I don't see it in the catalog yet
Apr 07 19:51:22 <ice8lue> NuttyBunny: I was waiting over one month to get mine delivered to germany
Apr 07 19:53:06 <NuttyBunny> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.rovio.angrybirdsrio
Apr 07 19:53:31 <ice8lue> rio is worth it, much fun and nice new levels =)
Apr 07 19:54:31 <Loudergood> now...should I try swapping commboards again tonight or not...
Apr 07 19:54:48 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: No, it's not odd, they changed something. I was able to buy Voices (frankenpre), and I think my last one was Ancient Frog. In fact the day I was testing with Rod I tried to buy the Preware Documentation app, but I couldn't :S
Apr 07 19:54:49 <PatrickC_Home> u should
Apr 07 19:54:53 <NuttyBunny> and no app until today
Apr 07 19:56:06 <NuttyBunny> so much for the recommendation of  "activating the device with a launch partner"
Apr 07 19:57:07 <NuttyBunny> brb... my head hurts like hell :@
Apr 07 19:57:34 <ice8lue> =/
Apr 07 19:57:46 <PatrickC_Home> :/
Apr 07 19:58:08 <ShadeS> lolaunch partner
Apr 07 20:10:47 <PatrickC_Home> http://nashville.craigslist.org/mob/2289973536.html -> sprint pre 2 :p
Apr 07 20:10:50 <PatrickC_Home> not really lol
Apr 07 20:11:57 <PatrickC_Home> and for only $70! lol
Apr 07 20:15:16 <ice8lue> xD
Apr 07 20:24:48 <ShadeS> lul
Apr 07 20:25:37 * NuttyBunny needs an imei from a dead AT&T Pre Plus activated in the US
Apr 07 20:26:13 <SineOt> what for? :o
Apr 07 20:27:59 <NuttyBunny> for paid app access
Apr 07 20:29:14 <NuttyBunny> I don't care about their stupid policies. I want my apps, and I won't download them from some troll forum just because I can't buy them
Apr 07 20:33:46 <SineOt> what's the end result for the donor device?
Apr 07 20:35:56 <NuttyBunny> mmm... broken, I want it broken, non functional... heck, I just want the imei :)
Apr 07 20:37:07 <NuttyBunny> The best thing will be: releasing a paid app in the catalog and not being able to download it
Apr 07 20:46:24 <PatrickC_Pre> you buy your own apps?
Apr 07 20:48:06 <SineOt> Nah, but it's insulting to a dev to release something they couldn't even hope to use themselves
Apr 07 20:55:23 <TomDicknHarry> o.k. so it went by to quickly for me to read it - but when you use webOSQI...  and you want to install something and after you click install it says something about magic missing??
Apr 07 20:57:09 <TomDicknHarry> what does that mean exactly?
Apr 07 20:58:37 <SineOt> You'd be better served asking in the webOSQI thread, as webOSQI isn't a webos-internals project
Apr 07 21:04:35 <TomDicknHarry> o.k thanks Sine
Apr 07 21:06:55 <TomDicknHarry> how many feeds does internalz have for webOSQI??
Apr 07 21:10:21 * NuttyBunny does not understand the question
Apr 07 21:10:38 <SineOt> elevenity-billion
Apr 07 21:14:36 <TomDicknHarry> lol elevenity-billion...  sounds like someone is using GOP math skills...
Apr 07 21:45:39 <siliconvalley785> NuttyBunny: how we doing with the Messaging plugins work?
Apr 07 21:46:24 <NuttyBunny> siliconvalley785: On halt until Palm fixes my paid app access :@
Apr 07 21:46:32 <siliconvalley785> hmmm
Apr 07 21:46:50 <siliconvalley785> Not good, what did they do
Apr 07 21:48:55 <NuttyBunny> well, they locked Mexico out of paid app access
Apr 07 21:49:08 <NuttyBunny> I wasn't aware until I tried to buy an app a few days ago
Apr 07 21:49:22 <siliconvalley785> what was their reason, if they gave one
Apr 07 21:49:33 <NuttyBunny> no word yet
Apr 07 21:49:56 <siliconvalley785> ok
Apr 07 21:50:21 <NuttyBunny> and I think that the fact that my access was via a prerelease Doctor for Telcel won't help at all
Apr 07 21:50:36 <siliconvalley785> yeah probably not
Apr 07 21:51:57 <PuffTheMagic> NuttyBunny, according to rods tweets there is a way around that block now
Apr 07 21:52:18 <PatrickC_Home> can i doctor back back to 1.4.5 after being at 2.1.0?
Apr 07 21:52:31 <Tibfib> you can not use the same profile
Apr 07 21:52:39 <TomDicknHarry> patrick i think you could doctor to 1.0.3 if you wanted to
Apr 07 21:52:41 <TomDicknHarry> :-p
Apr 07 21:53:00 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: How do you think I came to know that we didn't have access to paid apps anymore? :D
Apr 07 21:53:14 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC: Just delete your backup before doctoring to 1.4.5
Apr 07 21:53:24 <NuttyBunny> your profile backup
Apr 07 21:54:09 <TomDicknHarry> can you send and recieve files from one pre+ to another pre+ via bluetooth or wifi?
Apr 07 21:54:38 <NuttyBunny> PuffTheMagic: Besides, the standard technique works just for unactivated devices... both of mine were activated on Telcel "a launch partner".. bah
Apr 07 21:55:30 <TomDicknHarry> NuttyBunny - do you mean there is a workflow to enable paid app access to an activation bypassed pre+?
Apr 07 21:56:32 <NuttyBunny> TomDicknHarry: Yes, don't you follow @webosinternals on twitter?
Apr 07 21:57:48 <TomDicknHarry> no - i don't have twitter....  i also don't have a facebook, myspace, linkedin, foursquare, yahoo or hotmail accts....
Apr 07 21:58:10 <TomDicknHarry> i have gmail
Apr 07 21:58:16 <TomDicknHarry> nothing else..\
Apr 07 22:31:09 <rwhitby> TomDicknHarry: send the RSS feed from @webosinternals twitter to your gmail
Apr 07 22:31:25 <rwhitby> or continue to be in the dark :)
Apr 07 22:32:50 * PatrickC_Home 's pre is at the doctor
Apr 07 22:45:02 <PatrickC_Home> i dont like 1.4.5
Apr 08 00:48:54 <siliconvalley785> hey guys, quick question - WebOS doesn't allow Java Apps, like J2ME to run, right
Apr 08 00:49:31 <bpadalino> right
Apr 08 00:49:38 <siliconvalley785> ok, cool
Apr 08 00:50:22 <siliconvalley785> just trying to find a way to use IM without keeping a card open, and the only 3 I know of are Mundu (not sure if it does need a card open), but I'm prettty sure IM+ and Agile do
Apr 08 01:07:15 <RagingMind> I suppose someone could compile finch and screen, then just run it in a terminal
Apr 08 01:09:02 <halfhalo> wait, what type of im? since the standard im client runs in the background
Apr 08 01:09:28 <Loudergood> screen is already in optware
Apr 08 01:10:14 <siliconvalley785> yeah, aside from the standard one (I need MSN and GTAlk, and MSN is still broken in Messaging)
Apr 08 01:12:28 <Loudergood> http://www.precentral.net/synergy-messaging-plugins-3-0-brings-facebook-chat-ocs-and-google-talk-support-webos-2-0
Apr 08 01:12:51 <siliconvalley785> Yeah, but I have a Pre+ on 1.4.5
Apr 08 01:13:46 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: I suppose finch would have the same problems I'm having with libpurple, issues with encrypted connections...
Apr 08 01:14:07 * NuttyBunny tries to compile finch instead of just libpurple
Apr 08 01:14:14 <RagingMind> doesn't the palm messenger use libpurple?
Apr 08 01:14:18 <halfhalo> yup
Apr 08 01:14:19 <NuttyBunny> yup
Apr 08 01:14:40 <NuttyBunny> 2.6.6 if I remember correctly
Apr 08 01:14:54 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, are you building standard libpurple or the one with palm's patches?
Apr 08 01:15:22 <Loudergood> siliconvalley785: ah I needed to upgrade to 2.1 to get on my campus wifi
Apr 08 01:15:38 <NuttyBunny> RagingMind: the patches are just one line on 6 or 7 files, I'm building 2.7.11 using said patches
Apr 08 01:15:54 <RagingMind> ah, fun
Apr 08 01:16:02 <siliconvalley785> ah ok, gotcha
Apr 08 01:16:13 <RagingMind> so any processor nerds in here? :)
Apr 08 01:16:25 <NuttyBunny> But the problem is not there, but in another obscure library, libtasn1, which in turn is used by gnutls :@
Apr 08 01:17:05 <RagingMind> does the palm on just not to encryption?
Apr 08 01:17:59 <RagingMind> so I'm pretty sure the Pre would support http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort but I can't figure out if the pixi would
Apr 08 01:19:54 <NuttyBunny> perhaps it's not that mature... and I don't think the Pixi would either
Apr 08 01:20:47 <siliconvalley785> so im pretty sure i cant install the synergy 3 plugins on my pre 1.4.5, right
Apr 08 01:20:53 <siliconvalley785> im assuming i'd have heard if i coudl
Apr 08 01:22:09 <NuttyBunny> siliconvalley: The libraries are the same, I'd install the patch, sysfiles, and protocol files, and then overwrite them with the newer versions
Apr 08 01:22:20 <RagingMind> there are so many arm variants that even when I found information an the arm website I couldn't figure out what was supported
Apr 08 01:23:12 <NuttyBunny> let's see how much garbage I'd need to compile to enable finch...
Apr 08 01:23:56 <RagingMind> and that hard float port isn't really much of anything yet, but later when it is I think that would be a better source for building a chroot
Apr 08 01:23:58 <siliconvalley785> ok, ill give it a try
Apr 08 01:48:45 <siliconvalley785> getting errors when trying to install messaging stuff, error return value 4
Apr 08 01:50:19 <siliconvalley785> i think i got it
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