**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 08 02:59:58 2011
Apr 08 03:49:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> after I sign into my profile on 2.1, if it hangs at the "setup complete" page, I "option, sym, r" restart it, correct?
Apr 08 03:50:08 <RagingMind> Yup
Apr 08 03:50:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> hrmm.. I tried that, and it just went back to the setup complete page...
Apr 08 03:50:47 <RagingMind> after the full reboot?
Apr 08 03:50:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah...
Apr 08 03:51:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm trying it again
Apr 08 03:58:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, fixed now
Apr 08 03:58:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks ragingmind
Apr 08 04:01:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. this patch shows a savings reject to a file that exists...
Apr 08 04:04:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> what is "Unexpected EOF from server"?
Apr 08 05:28:52 <DaemnChyld> quiet
Apr 08 05:29:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> yep
Apr 08 05:30:46 <DaemnChyld> anyone get the new wirc
Apr 08 05:31:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> when did it come out?
Apr 08 05:31:45 <DaemnChyld> sometime today/yesterday
Apr 08 05:31:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think so
Apr 08 05:32:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> what version number?
Apr 08 05:32:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> 0.3.10?
Apr 08 05:32:27 <DaemnChyld> it says 0.3.11 but when I run it it still says 3.10
Apr 08 05:36:45 <DaemnChyld> on preware it says 3.11
Apr 08 05:37:06 <halfhalo> Where does it say it in wirc
Apr 08 05:37:36 <DaemnChyld> 3.10
Apr 08 05:37:57 <halfhalo> Where...
Apr 08 05:37:57 <DaemnChyld> in the help
Apr 08 05:38:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> mine says it in the header on the start page
Apr 08 05:38:21 <halfhalo> In help or change log
Apr 08 05:38:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> where you can select what server to use
Apr 08 05:38:23 <DaemnChyld> on there too
Apr 08 05:39:00 <halfhalo> Oh, then the changelog has just not been updated
Apr 08 05:41:36 <DaemnChyld> so app grabs it from the changelog
Apr 08 05:42:21 <halfhalo> No, the change log is manually made iirc
Apr 08 05:43:11 <DaemnChyld> so it was released without that being updated
Apr 08 05:43:48 <halfhalo> That would be my guess, ESP if it's from the testing feed
Apr 08 05:44:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm off to bed, my brain is fried :p
Apr 08 05:44:20 <DaemnChyld> I'm always on the cutting edge lol
Apr 08 05:44:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> same here :p
Apr 08 05:44:59 <DaemnChyld> too bad I can't install webos 2.1
Apr 08 05:49:26 <DaemnChyld> no computer here
Apr 08 12:41:02 <ice8lue> heyho
Apr 08 14:25:19 <Ron001> Mornin' all.  I have a sprint pre- with metadoctored 2.1 and have the skipped first use profile name problem even though my profile works fine.  My question is if I turn off and erase my backup and then erase apps and data, what are the implications of my patches and advanced system patches?  Should I remove the advanced ones and treat this operation as an update?
Apr 08 15:39:22 <idontwan2know> Ron001: patches should not be affected by erasing apps and data
Apr 08 15:50:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil: ping
Apr 08 15:51:02 <smknutson> wish I knew what was causing my wallpaper to revert to stock after a reset
Apr 08 15:51:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> what version os?
Apr 08 15:51:55 <smknutson> 2.1 AND 1.4.5
Apr 08 15:52:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm.. that never happened to me on either of those OS versions...
Apr 08 15:52:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> after luna boot, or a full boot only?
Apr 08 15:55:11 <smknutson> pretty sure just full, let me try a lunaboot brb
Apr 08 15:59:48 <Ron001> idontwan2know: thanks!
Apr 08 16:04:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> did it change it?
Apr 08 16:05:07 <smknutson> @Patrick, yep Lunaboot keeps wallpaper, fullboot results it
Apr 08 16:05:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm
Apr 08 16:05:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't know what's goin on...
Apr 08 16:05:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> sorry
Apr 08 16:06:32 * PatrickC_Pre2 is trying to get sprint nav working on 2.1 legally
Apr 08 16:07:22 <phoque> do OTA updates work once I've updated my legacy Device to 2.1?
Apr 08 16:07:25 <smknutson> yeah neither do I. only thing I can think of is its tied to this bein a sprint frankenpre+ and its a token issue
Apr 08 16:07:35 <smknutson> No phoque
Apr 08 16:08:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> rebooting, lets see if it worked
Apr 08 16:08:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> hopefully it does
Apr 08 16:10:31 <smknutson> because your carrier needs to release the ota update - which they won't if they haven't released 2.1
Apr 08 16:11:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah, if they haven't released the ota update for the software you are currently running, the ota update they would release (if any) would probably be the OS version you are running
Apr 08 16:11:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> would be my guess
Apr 08 16:11:56 <NuttyBunny> Hi everyone
Apr 08 16:12:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nuttybunny, any progress?
Apr 08 16:13:41 <NuttyBunny> with the paid apps? nah, I had to take matters in my own hands... as it turns out, the access is controlled by the findapps application, and in the end you can buy apps even if you're not "allowed" by the catalog
Apr 08 16:14:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> how'd you find that out?
Apr 08 16:14:06 <NuttyBunny> just force the preference to be true instead of the received by the server
Apr 08 16:14:10 <NuttyBunny> experimenting :)
Apr 08 16:14:44 <NuttyBunny> I found out that when I tried to buy something my Pre said "you have to update your account info in the accounts and prefs menu"... which I couldn't find anymore
Apr 08 16:14:55 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, you found out how to enable paid apps when its technically not available in your country??
Apr 08 16:15:12 <NuttyBunny> Sort of
Apr 08 16:15:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> did you notify rod? or does he already know?
Apr 08 16:15:29 <NuttyBunny> the servers are configured, and there was paid access sometime
Apr 08 16:15:35 <NuttyBunny> no, I just did it right now
Apr 08 16:15:43 <NuttyBunny> I'm downloading Angry Birds Rio :D
Apr 08 16:15:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> awesome! I'm sure he'll try it out too :)
Apr 08 16:16:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> how's the patch comin?
Apr 08 16:16:31 <NuttyBunny> c'mon! I've just regained my paid app access, I'm just about to continue with the plugins ;)
Apr 08 16:17:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok ;) can't wait! lol
Apr 08 16:17:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> where is the original ipk that you have to install to get it partially working?
Apr 08 16:17:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just doctored last night and lost it :'(
Apr 08 16:25:34 <NuttyBunny> just use the one in Precentral and substitute the files I had sent you by email :)
Apr 08 16:25:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok :)
Apr 08 16:26:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, when my pre reboots when connected to the pc, it renders all usb ports useless...
Apr 08 16:26:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> :/
Apr 08 16:30:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone else having trouble updating apps with preware?
Apr 08 16:38:22 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: Hi!
Apr 08 16:38:53 <NuttyBunny> Patrick: Win or Linux?
Apr 08 16:39:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> win7 x64
Apr 08 16:41:10 <chuqui> NuttyBunny:  top o' the morning to ya!
Apr 08 16:42:29 <NuttyBunny> chuqui: I found out why I couldn't buy anything... my card was declined once and I had to update my info!
Apr 08 16:42:48 <chuqui> ah. that would complicate things.
Apr 08 16:43:39 <NuttyBunny> (Of course, the problem is that I couldn't access the  accounts and prefs menu option) :D   ... a little hacking got me on the track again... but I still think that nobody in Mexico will be allowed to buy apps anymore if they relogin to their profiles :S
Apr 08 16:52:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think I might have fixed sprint nav on 2.1
Apr 08 16:52:31 * PatrickC_Pre2 crosses fingers
Apr 08 16:53:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/2.1/2.1 *legally*/
Apr 08 16:53:51 <infobot> PatrickC_Pre2 meant: I think I might have fixed sprint nav on 2.1 *legally*
Apr 08 16:54:39 <hertzi> hey
Apr 08 16:54:52 <hertzi> I'd like to try out linphone
Apr 08 16:55:02 <hertzi> where can I get the last build?
Apr 08 16:55:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I think rwhitby heads that up..
Apr 08 16:56:19 <hertzi> hmm - so I have to wait until he is online?
Apr 08 16:56:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil, halfhalo: can uall give linphone alpha instructions?
Apr 08 16:59:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint nav is launching legally!!
Apr 08 16:59:55 <NuttyBunny> legally... gotta love that
Apr 08 17:00:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know, I just hit one tiny hicup
Apr 08 17:00:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> lets see if this remedies it
Apr 08 17:01:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> man, it didnt... :/
Apr 08 17:01:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> Telenav Service was not properly initialized
Apr 08 17:04:27 <NuttyBunny> too bad :(
Apr 08 17:04:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm gonna try to install it without using -force-depends
Apr 08 17:05:06 <NuttyBunny> At least I got my Angry Birds Rio fix to drop my productivity below the floor :D
Apr 08 17:05:49 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 08 17:06:27 <NuttyBunny> Argh... I'm compiling everything with a freaking old compiler... bah, I have to update!!... that may explain the crashes :D
Apr 08 17:06:39 <NuttyBunny> it's Rod's fault.. hehehe
Apr 08 17:06:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> I had to remove it an unconventional way :p
Apr 08 17:08:09 <PatrickC_Pre2> it actually installed though :p
Apr 08 17:11:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> oilsworkn: I found a bug in preware, its on 3 confirmed phones
Apr 08 17:11:46 <oilsworkn> good for you
Apr 08 17:11:57 <oilsworkn> lol
Apr 08 17:12:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> when trying to update apps (that are official catalog apps) preware treats them as if they were homebrew apps, and doesn't launch the software manager
Apr 08 17:12:43 <PuffTheMagic> chuqui, ping
Apr 08 17:12:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> and I got sprint nav installed on 2.1 legalle
Apr 08 17:13:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/legalle/legally/
Apr 08 17:13:06 <infobot> PatrickC_Pre2 meant: and I got sprint nav installed on 2.1 legally
Apr 08 17:13:23 <chuqui> PuffTheMagic:  ow! that hurt.
Apr 08 17:13:37 * oilsworkn didn't write software manager linking stuff, looks at rwhitby
Apr 08 17:14:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> how do I install something and force it to depend on another package?
Apr 08 17:14:45 <PuffTheMagic> chuqui, would love to submit wirc but the scanner is saying i cant
Apr 08 17:15:30 <chuqui> yah, you sent email on that. there are bugs in the hybrid submission setup (sigh). they're chasing them. Adora's best person for helping guide you through them.
Apr 08 17:16:28 <NuttyBunny> wIRC: (Another app I'd love to buy and I couldn't without paid app access) :P
Apr 08 17:16:29 <PuffTheMagic> the error made it seem like someone like you needed to just unlock my account or something
Apr 08 17:17:31 <oilsworkn> PuffTheMagic: you fixed the tar problem?
Apr 08 17:17:53 <PuffTheMagic> oilsworkn, when the autobuilder makes it,there is no prob
Apr 08 17:18:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone know?
Apr 08 17:18:09 <PuffTheMagic> i cant do it personally
Apr 08 17:18:36 <oilsworkn> PatrickC_Pre2: deps are listed in the feed
Apr 08 17:18:49 <NuttyBunny> oilsworkn: tar problem? the same as I do?  (tar adding extra stuff in filenames?)
Apr 08 17:18:58 <oilsworkn> NuttyBunny: yeah
Apr 08 17:19:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> oilsworkin: will that work with an ipkg install command from novaterm?
Apr 08 17:19:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I need to install a package and make it depend on another package
Apr 08 17:19:49 <oilsworkn> so install the package it depends on
Apr 08 17:19:51 <oilsworkn> then the package
Apr 08 17:20:13 <NuttyBunny> oilsworkn: it sucks... but you can use filenames that are  != 100 characters ;)
Apr 08 17:20:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> but how do I tell it what do depend on? or should it already know (its sprint nav, legal way)
Apr 08 17:20:50 <oilsworkn> the feeds list the deps
Apr 08 17:20:56 * NuttyBunny recreates his WIDK environment (no, I won't switch to NDK just yet) ;)
Apr 08 17:21:02 <oilsworkn> there is no method for a stand alone package outside the feed to depend on something
Apr 08 17:21:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, thanks.. I'll try that
Apr 08 17:21:04 <oilsworkn> it has no way to tell preware
Apr 08 17:21:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not using preware, I have the ipk's sitting on my phone, using the linux command line to ipkg install them
Apr 08 17:22:08 <oilsworkn> so ipkg install the package it depends on first
Apr 08 17:22:10 <oilsworkn> then the package...
Apr 08 17:22:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> and use -force-depends or no?
Apr 08 17:22:52 <oilsworkn> i dont know anything about that option
Apr 08 17:23:04 * oilsworkn installs things with preware
Apr 08 17:23:08 <NuttyBunny> do it like men do: ar x archive.ipk , tar xvzf data.tar.gz  , overwrite everything :D
Apr 08 17:23:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, I'll try it without, and if it doesn't work, I'll try it with
Apr 08 17:23:32 * NuttyBunny messes with his phone... and it gets borked sometimes ;)
Apr 08 17:28:02 <NuttyBunny> oops...... damn...... I deleted my makefiles.... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!1KK
Apr 08 17:28:25 <NuttyBunny> there goes a week's worth of work...... well, at least I learnt how to do it
Apr 08 17:28:33 <Loudergood> ouch
Apr 08 17:29:42 <NuttyBunny> it was crashing anyway, and I needed to recompile everything again with a new compiler...
Apr 08 17:31:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> now, does this work?
Apr 08 17:31:43 <NuttyBunny> am I an ass?  hehehe... I moved the files instead of copying them for backing up... there they are, my babies :)
Apr 08 17:32:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> now I get a new error.... grrrrrr
Apr 08 17:38:35 <PatrickC_Home> can anyone make sense of this?
Apr 08 17:38:35 <PatrickC_Home> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for com.telenav.sprintnavigation:   	 codesourcery-arm (>= 2007q3) luna-service
Apr 08 17:39:21 <oilsworkn> its an error because it cannot satisfy the dependency of codesourcery for the sprint nav package
Apr 08 17:39:39 <PatrickC_Home> hmm.. now i need to figure out how to fix that..
Apr 08 17:39:59 <oilsworkn> step 1 is probably being able to decipher that error on your own...
Apr 08 17:40:04 <NuttyBunny> but why would it need the codesourcery-arm to run the navigation service??
Apr 08 17:40:09 <oilsworkn> its pretty straight forward
Apr 08 17:40:32 <PatrickC_Home> i thought thats what it ment, i was making sure
Apr 08 17:40:38 <PatrickC_Home> s/ment/meant/
Apr 08 17:40:39 <infobot> PatrickC_Home meant: i thought thats what it meant, i was making sure
Apr 08 17:41:47 <PatrickC_Home> hmm.. now the telenav service is not properly initializing...
Apr 08 17:42:30 <NuttyBunny> did it ever initialize?
Apr 08 17:42:43 <PatrickC_Home> not sure, how do i tell?
Apr 08 17:43:20 <NuttyBunny> mmm... good question... you're installing sprint navigation from 1.4.x on 2.x?
Apr 08 17:43:37 <PatrickC_Home> yes
Apr 08 17:43:49 <PatrickC_Home> here is the error that the cmd line gives me when i log it
Apr 08 17:43:49 <PatrickC_Home> http://pastebin.com/ZjUcfjS5
Apr 08 17:44:50 <NuttyBunny> I'd bet that the telenav service runs in Java on 1.4.x, and since there's no java interpreter in 2.x anymore you're out of luck
Apr 08 17:45:03 <NuttyBunny> in other words, Palm left out java services support for 2.x
Apr 08 17:45:32 <oilsworkn> yeah, we've known that for over a year xD
Apr 08 17:45:40 <PatrickC_Home> that could be it...
Apr 08 17:45:43 <NuttyBunny> lol
Apr 08 17:45:51 <PatrickC_Home> :/
Apr 08 17:45:57 <oilsworkn> yeah
Apr 08 17:46:08 <oilsworkn> there is that, and the service bus is different in 2.x
Apr 08 17:46:15 <PatrickC_Home> i really dont feel like re-writing sprint nav lol
Apr 08 17:47:27 <RagingMind> PatrickC_Home, you could find a java package that you could compile and install with it ;)
Apr 08 17:48:03 <PatrickC_Home> lol
Apr 08 17:50:37 <PatrickC_Home> novacom run file:///sbin/stop\ LunaSysMgr
Apr 08 17:50:39 <PatrickC_Home> what does this do?
Apr 08 17:50:45 <PatrickC_Home> i know it runs a file :p
Apr 08 17:50:53 <NuttyBunny> And, it's confirmed, no one in Mexico can add/edit their credit card info in the catalog, even when they previously were able to do so via a hacked 1.4.5 doctor or a 2.1 doctor...
Apr 08 17:51:04 <NuttyBunny> PatrickC_Home: I think it stops the LunaSysMgr service :)
Apr 08 17:51:24 <NuttyBunny> (At least no one who activated with Telcel)... *sigh*
Apr 08 17:51:52 <Loudergood> PatrickC_Home: look into Upstart
Apr 08 17:52:47 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny: hopefully it's an accident
Apr 08 17:52:52 <PatrickC_Home> im done messing with sprint nav for the time being :p
Apr 08 17:55:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll work on it some more later (maybe)
Apr 08 17:55:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I just really need svg support, and I wouldn't be working on sprint nav anymore
Apr 08 17:55:54 <RagingMind> why svg?
Apr 08 17:56:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> a navigation app I'm working on that will replace sprint nav is written in svg
Apr 08 17:56:42 <RagingMind> my question stands... why svg?
Apr 08 17:57:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> cause that's what the map for the navigation is written in
Apr 08 17:57:37 <SineOt> svg is a simple vector wrapper, so it's easy to do stuff like maps in
Apr 08 17:58:45 <RagingMind> I fiddle in inkscape all the time, especially to make posters to put on campus.  I"m familiar with svg ;)
Apr 08 17:58:59 <RagingMind> but if there's no support for it, why choose that format?
Apr 08 17:59:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I didn't choose it, it was already written in svg
Apr 08 17:59:48 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: I've already confirmed with a friend :S   He had access, he still has, but he can no longer edit his details
Apr 08 18:00:26 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny: better palm than you I think...they should be able more motivated to fix it
Apr 08 18:00:46 <Loudergood> of course if they've let the carriers handle part of that system and it's telcel...then good luck
Apr 08 18:01:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> ragingmind: I'm using CloudMade to do it, and they already wrote the entire map in SVG
Apr 08 18:02:41 <NuttyBunny> Loudergood: I think they never got an agreement with Telcel about paid apps, and that should be the reason they never released 1.4.5 in Mexico
Apr 08 18:03:23 <Loudergood> the whole carrier situation is absurd to begin with
Apr 08 18:03:58 * Loudergood just imagines if he could only connect approved computers to his ISP
Apr 08 18:04:13 <Loudergood> and then they control the software I can buy
Apr 08 18:05:54 <NuttyBunny> yep, it sucks
Apr 08 18:06:10 <NuttyBunny> that's the reason I want an unlocked device...
Apr 08 18:06:14 <NuttyBunny> but wait!
Apr 08 18:06:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint needs 2.1
Apr 08 18:06:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> officially!!
Apr 08 18:06:28 <NuttyBunny> I activated my Pre Plus on Telcel!! (and I got f*cked) :@
Apr 08 18:07:22 <oilsworkn> sprint doesnt even have the pre+ officially
Apr 08 18:07:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know... :/
Apr 08 18:07:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> they *need* the veer at least!!
Apr 08 18:07:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> but they won't get it :/
Apr 08 18:07:50 <NuttyBunny> Telcel neither, and they STILL sell the Pre Minus!!!
Apr 08 18:08:05 <oilsworkn> at least they still sell webos phones
Apr 08 18:08:12 * NuttyBunny tweets AGAIN to nag Telcel about 1.4.5
Apr 08 18:08:17 <NuttyBunny> yes, but 1.4.0 :P
Apr 08 18:08:18 <oilsworkn> ill be switching to vzw when the pre3 comes out on it
Apr 08 18:08:22 <oilsworkn> wont hold my breath for sprint
Apr 08 18:08:38 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know.. I wish I could switch, but I cant...
Apr 08 18:55:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> thanks unixphscho for making my pre run nicely :)
Apr 08 18:55:58 <NuttyBunny> I forgot, I have to get Lemmings for my Pre also :D
Apr 08 19:04:12 <Flashpass> Hey all, I recently got an unlocked gsm Pre2 and am thinking about putting it on Sprint with my original Pre - is there anything at this point you can potentially lose other then Sprint Nav and the ability to update PRL, or any other disadvantages?
Apr 08 20:01:48 <zinge> ANyone around that could possibly help me out a bit with the hardware part of taking the comm board out of a Pre-?
Apr 08 20:04:45 <zinge> I'm apparently not very good at following picture directions.
Apr 08 20:08:24 <zinge> (which is why I'm practicing this with an old spare pre- first)
Apr 08 20:08:34 <Loudergood> where are you stuck?
Apr 08 20:09:46 <zinge> detected keyboard bezel, unplugged ribbon cables, just got the volume rocker out
Apr 08 20:10:02 <zinge> On steo 9 of the pre2 picture wiki
Apr 08 20:10:05 <zinge> step*
Apr 08 20:11:09 <zinge> Unfortunately, the pictures seem to be showing thePre2, not the Pre-, and so I'm a bit confused as to which bezel I'm supposed to be working on
Apr 08 20:11:21 <Loudergood> ah the gently pull part
Apr 08 20:12:08 <Loudergood> because that's all you should have to do now
Apr 08 20:12:46 <Loudergood> there's a little glue under the comm board and the sound stuff
Apr 08 20:12:58 <Loudergood> but it pulls apart pretty easily
Apr 08 20:13:14 <zinge> Yup, just got it. Thanks!
Apr 08 20:13:17 <zinge> I figured out the confusion.
Apr 08 20:13:38 <zinge> The little black tabs on the keyboard backing has popped off the bezel, so the keybaord wasn't coming up with the bezel
Apr 08 20:14:03 <zinge> When I pull lightly fromthe other side, the little hook pulled the keyboard off as well and everything looked better
Apr 08 20:14:06 <SineOt> This stuff should get posted to iFixit too, come to think of it
Apr 08 20:16:29 <zinge> Time to see if I can put this back together correctly without breaking anything, and then I'll do the real swap tonight.
Apr 08 20:17:04 <Loudergood> the only hard part is the keyboard tabs
Apr 08 20:17:34 <Loudergood> just wish I knew why the doctor failed on my attempt
Apr 08 20:18:55 <zinge> How do I get the comm board out of the bezel to stand it vertically for step 11?
Apr 08 20:20:24 <zinge> Nevermind, just got it out
Apr 08 20:21:15 <Flashpass> zinge: thinking about doing it myself soon, maybe you should make a vid :)
Apr 08 20:23:26 <Flashpass> Loudergood: what happened during your doctor?
Apr 08 20:23:45 <Loudergood> it kept erroring out on me
Apr 08 20:23:54 <zinge> If I do the real swap tonight I can make a video if that'll help anyone. All I have is a crappy webcam or a flip cam though.
Apr 08 20:24:08 <Flashpass> Loudergood: did you eventually fix it?
Apr 08 20:24:10 <Loudergood> of course I'm converting a gsm pre2 to verizon
Apr 08 20:24:29 <Loudergood> nah I gave up for a few days
Apr 08 20:24:35 <Flashpass> zinge: would help me for sure if there are some part that are unclear in the pics
Apr 08 20:24:39 <Loudergood> I'm going to mess with it again either tonight or tomorrow
Apr 08 20:24:41 <zinge> Ok
Apr 08 20:25:45 <Flashpass> zinge: are you doing the Sprint version?
Apr 08 20:26:41 <Flashpass> Loudergood: did you end up putting the pre- back together and it worked as normal?
Apr 08 20:26:54 <zinge> It will be Sprint Pre- and GSM Pre2
Apr 08 20:27:08 <Loudergood> it was a pre+, but yes
Apr 08 20:27:11 <Flashpass> cool, that's what I'll be doing
Apr 08 20:27:40 <PatrickC_Pre> what's goin on?
Apr 08 20:27:53 <Loudergood> really didn't want to switch to my emergency eris
Apr 08 20:28:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> crash the pre?
Apr 08 20:28:24 <Flashpass> Loudergood: haha same same here but with a hero
Apr 08 20:28:59 * PatrickC_Pre2 has an emergency blackberry :/
Apr 08 20:30:12 <zinge> I have an emergency Pre... that I hope I can put back together right now :-)
Apr 08 20:30:24 <Flashpass> zinge: do you know of an alternative to the sprint nav app, or do you just not use it?
Apr 08 20:30:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> Flashpass: I'm working on making an alternative, but I'm at a standstill atm
Apr 08 20:31:32 <Flashpass> oh yeah?  the only one I have seen is NavIt and that is pretty darn shakey for me
Apr 08 20:31:36 <zinge> Flashpass: my alternative is my girlfriend :-) I use it all the time, but she told me I should stop using it as much, and that she can just navigate off her iphone or I can call her if I need directions
Apr 08 20:31:51 <zinge> Flashpass: not the best alternative, but w/e
Apr 08 20:31:57 <Flashpass> zinge: haha, that's quite the workaround!
Apr 08 20:32:04 <zinge> I'm trying to learn where everything here is anyway
Apr 08 20:32:22 <Flashpass> I think I rely on it too much haha
Apr 08 20:32:36 <zinge> I moved cross country in june, but I still cant find things that are down the street without the nav app, so I'm partially doing this so I don't have it to rely on as much :-p
Apr 08 20:32:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> Flashpass: GMaps/BFGMaps are good alternitives for the time being
Apr 08 20:32:42 <zinge> Yup
Apr 08 20:33:10 <Flashpass> Yeah, they aren't bad I suppose
Apr 08 20:33:49 <Flashpass> PatrickC_Pre2: are you working on an existing project or a new nav project?
Apr 08 20:33:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> the one I'm working on can't go any further, as the maps are coded in a language that webos doesn't recognise
Apr 08 20:34:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> and new
Apr 08 20:34:14 <Flashpass> ouch
Apr 08 20:34:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah... :/
Apr 08 20:34:42 <Flashpass> is there any possibility of spring nav becoming available on a Sprint Pre2?
Apr 08 20:35:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm also working on getting the spring nav from 1.4.5 working on 2.1 :)
Apr 08 20:35:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> not going well though :/
Apr 08 20:36:09 <Flashpass> is there some technical limitation or so?
Apr 08 20:36:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> for what?
Apr 08 20:36:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint nav 1.4.5 to 2.1?
Apr 08 20:36:49 <Flashpass> yeah
Apr 08 20:37:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> yes.. I believe it uses some java services, which are no longer in 2.1
Apr 08 20:37:44 <Flashpass> I didn't even think about the fact that there is no existing sprint nav on 2.1 haha
Apr 08 20:38:17 <Flashpass> maybe i'll just do the swap and live with it
Apr 08 20:38:34 <Flashpass> buy a cheap car nav
Apr 08 20:38:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> there is, but its illegal to get without the proper clearance :/
Apr 08 20:38:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/there is/ there is a current sprint nav/
Apr 08 20:38:55 <infobot> PatrickC_Pre2 meant:  there is a current sprint nav, but its illegal to get without the proper clearance :/
Apr 08 20:39:11 <zinge> Ughh... failure. I can't get to black/white cables back in the slot after taking them out to lift the comm board. I'm gonna see how difficult it is put snap the comm board ribbon cables back in place without entirely prying it out of the bezel first so I can keep those cables in their channel
Apr 08 20:39:36 <Flashpass> yikes
Apr 08 20:39:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> uhoh
Apr 08 20:40:03 <zinge> Nothing's broken, just dealing with tiny wires
Apr 08 20:40:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 08 20:42:27 <Flashpass> PatrickC_Pre2: doing the pre+ to pre2 swap you don't lose the ability to update prl right - the sprint ones can only backup the existing but never update int he future it seems
Apr 08 20:42:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> I believe you only lose prl with 2.x
Apr 08 20:43:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm not 100% sure though, I haven't done a comms board swap yet..
Apr 08 20:43:46 <Flashpass> on the wiki it says on vzw you can still do the prl update using *288 method
Apr 08 20:44:01 <Flashpass> er 228
Apr 08 20:46:29 <SineOt> man PatrickC_Pre2 what are you looking at that does the cloud made maps in SVG
Apr 08 20:46:41 <SineOt> even their examples of the JS web map stuff is just tiled pngs
Apr 08 20:49:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> web-maps-lite.js is SVG, no?
Apr 08 20:53:09 <SineOt> only the routing information is provided as an SVG
Apr 08 20:53:16 <SineOt> the maps themselves are all PNG
Apr 08 20:53:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> hmm, how hard would that be to fix? (I know nothing about svg/canvas)
Apr 08 20:56:51 <zinge> Got it all back together, turning back on...
Apr 08 20:57:15 <zinge> Getting the wosi penguin, good sign...
Apr 08 20:57:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> yay
Apr 08 20:58:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> pre- to pre2 or pre+?
Apr 08 20:58:36 <zinge> Neither yet :-) Pre- to Pre- to make sure I can take it apart and put it back together without permanently breaking anything. Pre- to Pre2 tonight when I get off work
Apr 08 20:59:30 <zinge> All keys are working, wifi working still has a cell signal. I didn't break anything!
Apr 08 20:59:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> yay!!
Apr 08 20:59:50 <zinge> Time to do it for real tonight. I can try and do a vid for you Flashpass
Apr 08 21:01:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> that would be awesome, I've been wanting to see one done
Apr 08 21:02:02 <zinge> Time for work, I'm out. Thanks for the help guys, I'll try and do a vid tonight or sometime this weekend.
Apr 08 21:04:03 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, have fun at work :)
Apr 08 21:06:13 <Flashpass> zinge: that would be awesome
Apr 08 21:34:49 <oilsworkn> hey, its a wircer
Apr 08 21:35:04 <halfhalo> ruhroh
Apr 08 23:04:22 <NuttyBunny> bah, stupid gnutls, it never finds my libraries... gotta go
Apr 09 00:32:04 <RobbieG> I'm having trouble updating my sprint pre to 2.1.0 and I was wondering if someone could help me
Apr 09 00:33:36 <RobbieG> I get to "Step 4: Run the modified webOS Doctor", and it goes all the way to 82%, and then WebOS Doctor says "We were unable to reset your phone."
Apr 09 00:33:45 <RobbieG> I've tried twice
Apr 09 00:34:13 <PatrickC> try booting the phone
Apr 09 00:34:21 <PatrickC> tell me what the first image is that you see
Apr 09 00:34:34 <RobbieG> Supposedly at 84% and past, everything should be written to the phone (although I only get to 82%). I tried pulling battery and booting phone, but it boot loops
Apr 09 00:34:43 <RobbieG> I see the penguin
Apr 09 00:34:55 <PatrickC> then it finished
Apr 09 00:34:57 <RobbieG> Then it says something like "do not remove battery" with a spinning circle, and then boots again
Apr 09 00:35:04 <PatrickC> or should have finished
Apr 09 00:35:18 <PatrickC> hrmm
Apr 09 00:35:25 <PatrickC> rwhitby-pre: ping
Apr 09 00:37:21 <RobbieG> What does that mean? (I don't know much about IRC)
Apr 09 00:37:46 <PatrickC> I'm pinging rwhitby, seeing if he on
Apr 09 00:37:53 <RobbieG> Gotcha, thanks
Apr 09 00:40:04 <PatrickC> halfhalo: ping
Apr 09 00:46:08 <RobbieG> maybe i'll try redoing all the steps. Do I have to delete/undo anything if I'm going to try again?
Apr 09 00:47:01 <RobbieG> Besides a  "git pull" and a "make clobber"
Apr 09 00:48:01 <PatrickC> not sure, mine worked first try
Apr 09 00:49:02 <RobbieG> we'll see what happens
Apr 09 00:59:05 <halfhalo> RobbieG: run it from the command line so you can see exactly what is breaking
Apr 09 01:01:37 <RobbieG> after re-running the metadoctor script, it automatically launched the modified webOS Doctor, and it seems it is saying what it's doing. I'll let you know if it breaks again (currently at 46%)
Apr 09 01:02:37 <RobbieG> How would I run it from the command line otherwise?
Apr 09 01:07:53 <PatrickC> nuttybunny: I have done it on another phone successfully!! :)
Apr 09 01:08:03 <PatrickC> s/it/facebook chat/
Apr 09 01:08:03 <infobot> PatrickC meant: nuttybunny: I have done facebook chat on another phone successfully!! :)
Apr 09 01:09:05 <NuttyBunny> great!! I haven't had the time to fiddle with the compiler and the widk makefiles to rebuild everything again but I might do it tonight :)
Apr 09 01:09:35 <RobbieG> so During the ROM Verifyer, I think the first error is: /usr/sbin/integcheck IPKG VERIFICATION FAILED, CODE 16
Apr 09 01:09:43 <NuttyBunny> btw, rwhitby: Today's Preware Documentation App was bought by me ;)
Apr 09 01:10:41 <RobbieG> There's a lot more info after that about Flash failure and base rom failed verification
Apr 09 01:11:36 <rwhitby> RobbieG: use Linux instead of windows and cygwin
Apr 09 01:13:35 <NuttyBunny-Pre> we should really update the Wiki: "If you have problems, you should use the Linux route instead"
Apr 09 01:15:20 <RobbieG> I don't currently have linux installed. Should I use "WUBI"?
Apr 09 01:16:52 <RobbieG> Although, now the device is booting and not boot looping. Should I be concerned about the install anyway?
Apr 09 01:17:35 <preminus> what is the terminal command to get webos doctor 1.4.5?
Apr 09 01:23:07 <preminus> or how do i get the doctor to be executable in linux?
Apr 09 01:23:38 <rwhitby> java -jar <file?
Apr 09 01:23:41 <rwhitby> java -jar <file>
Apr 09 01:23:44 <NuttyBunny-Pre> java -jar webosdoctor.jar
Apr 09 01:24:09 <NuttyBunny-Pre> chmod u+x <file>
Apr 09 01:24:15 <NuttyBunny-Pre>  *grin*
Apr 09 01:24:26 <PatrickC> lol
Apr 09 01:26:11 <NuttyBunny-Pre> in a strict sense we answered both questions
Apr 09 01:26:30 <destinal> RobbieG: have you tried just rebooting it and booting normally from there?
Apr 09 01:26:48 <destinal> ah, boot loop, nevermind
Apr 09 01:27:40 <RobbieG> I'm actually not in a bootloop this time, even though the verification failed
Apr 09 01:27:57 <RobbieG> Right now it is trying to sign into my palm profile, but it is taking a very long time
Apr 09 01:28:37 <preminus> thx got it to work
Apr 09 01:28:44 <rwhitby> RobbieG: if you got verification errors you do not want to be using that doctor
Apr 09 01:30:11 <RobbieG> @+rwhitby okay. Should I try WUBI for linux then? I don't currently have linux installed
Apr 09 01:30:22 <rwhitby> the wiki has options
Apr 09 01:30:25 <RobbieG> gah, I also obviously don't know how to use IRC :)
Apr 09 01:31:32 <preminus> i'm using wubi, i have found it to be a good option
Apr 09 01:32:12 <NuttyBunny-Pre> wubi is a better option than a virtual machine IMO
Apr 09 01:33:32 <preminus> wubi is great, imo, virtual machine seems too cumbersome at times, wubi gives you access to all your resources, etc.
Apr 09 01:43:37 <RobbieG> If I have a 64-bit processor, am I still better off using Ubuntu 10.10 for 32-bit? Or doesn't it matter?
Apr 09 01:43:48 <RobbieG> (for WUBI)
Apr 09 01:44:56 <preminus> i think it will automatically download the 64 bit version, if you want the 32 bit you have to do a little extra, see faqs on their site for that
Apr 09 01:52:43 <NuttyBunny-Pre> Nah, if you're just using it for the Doctor, better stick to the 32 bit version, you may have a few issues on 64 bits. Besides, the 32 bit version runs about everywere :)
Apr 09 01:58:14 <RobbieG> Well, I successfully went back to 1.4.5 and don't have a brick. :) Thanks everyone for the help. I'm diving in to linux, and hoping everything will work.
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