**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 02:59:57 2011 Apr 10 03:09:52 good evening all Apr 10 03:10:12 i have what is hopefully a quick question Apr 10 03:13:30 ok... Apr 10 03:13:46 was there ever a specific meta-doctor script for putting 2.1.0 on a sprint frankenpre plus? Apr 10 05:04:43 how do you edit the preferences.assistant.js file? Apr 10 05:16:29 Emacs, of course. Apr 10 05:20:48 hello? Apr 10 05:21:10 Anybody here? Apr 10 05:21:12 ya Apr 10 05:21:32 i used internalz to edit the file, i guess that works Apr 10 05:21:47 I have a question, I came here in hopes that somebody might can guide me Apr 10 05:22:00 preminus: for files that don't care about DOS line endings, yes. Apr 10 05:22:08 ~ask Apr 10 05:22:09 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Apr 10 05:24:06 if im in linux that's ok right? Apr 10 05:24:40 My previous pre suffered hardware issues, I got another pre and logged into my profile. This in turned locked the other pre (older one), due to it be connected to my wifi. So my question is this: How can I access my personal files on my older pre which is stored on the "usb drive"? Apr 10 05:25:49 you cant connect it to your computer? Apr 10 05:26:14 Yes I can, but the phone is locked. Apr 10 05:26:29 Lamez: create a new profile and log into that with the old device. the contents of the usb drive should be preserved. Apr 10 05:27:07 Hang on for a bit. Apr 10 05:28:00 I thought the phone had to be activated first? Also because of the hardware errors, I cannot activate the phone. Apr 10 05:28:31 use the palm tool for bypassing activation Apr 10 05:28:32 you cant turn the phone on? Apr 10 05:28:50 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html Apr 10 05:28:54 Yes I can turn the phone on. Apr 10 05:29:02 Okay cool, let me check it out. Apr 10 05:33:11 I have a question about this tool. Is it required that I boot into "Recovery Mode"? It does not state either way, it just tells how to do it. Apr 10 05:34:37 yes Apr 10 05:35:17 Sorry it is late, it seems that I have missed this sentence: "To flash a device with a webOS Doctor or to run the activation-bypass tool, you must first boot the device into recovery mode by performing the following steps:" Apr 10 05:36:05 Well the phone is charging, so when it boots then I will put it into recovery mode and try the bypass tool. Apr 10 06:34:14 trying to remove a patch but can't, says out of 1 hunks failed, check for md5sum, how can i remove this patch? Apr 10 06:40:26 Can I ask preminus, what are you doing exactly. Apr 10 06:40:41 im trying to remove a patch Apr 10 06:41:10 I know, but in more detail, are you creating a program for your pre or maybe doing some really cool hack, what? Apr 10 06:41:56 well, im trying to install the necesary files for flash player in 2.1.0 for legacy devices Apr 10 06:42:09 Which pre? Apr 10 06:42:23 pre - Apr 10 06:43:04 Ah so the original? Apr 10 06:43:10 Hooray I have my files back! Apr 10 06:43:13 yeah lol Apr 10 06:43:15 nice Apr 10 06:44:08 So, are you following a tutorial? I would love to have flash on my pre, would this also allow me to play flash games and such? Apr 10 06:44:32 yeah i am following a tutorial Apr 10 06:44:43 but it involves more than just flash player Apr 10 06:44:55 I see, can I see the tutorial? Apr 10 06:45:31 well, let me say first that it involves uprading to 2.1.0 on an original pre and that is very intensive Apr 10 06:46:18 Yes I have seen those, I would rather not do that. So there is not a flash tutorial for pre-? Apr 10 06:46:29 the original pre hardware may not be powerful enough to run flash, i've found it laggy at best so far, but that's why im working on it Apr 10 06:46:32 withouth 2.0 Apr 10 06:46:38 not that i know of Apr 10 06:46:42 I see Apr 10 06:47:07 I see. Are you a sprint user? Apr 10 06:47:56 yeah Apr 10 06:48:19 Would you know anything about Sprint getting the new pre? Apr 10 06:48:41 no not really, that remains to be seen Apr 10 06:49:08 Well bummer, I really would love to have it. Apr 10 06:49:47 yeah, it's possible, but hp/palm is probably still working on carrier stuff Apr 10 06:50:16 Do you know of place where it will keep me updated on this subject? Apr 10 06:50:50 if sprint will get the pre 3? Apr 10 06:51:40 Yes. Apr 10 06:52:10 i would just check precentral.net, they probably would report on that Apr 10 06:52:47 I do check them, often. Thanks for the advice. Good luck on your 'hacking' Apr 10 06:53:44 no problem Apr 10 07:36:08 Hi all! Apr 10 07:36:29 I'm continuing my objects.db experiments, trying to read palm databases from my computer. Apr 10 07:37:19 Until now, thanks to the help of verious users on this channel, I've managed to find out that the database format used was a btree berkeley database, version 9 Apr 10 07:37:48 Trying to open it directly with berkeley-db binaries somehow fails, but I can access the data from python. Apr 10 07:38:05 I've manage to extract key/value pairs, but they are weirdly encoded. Apr 10 07:38:29 For example, here's a key: "\x04++HMwF4OJ0R+WeSS\x00" Apr 10 07:39:00 And here's a value: '\x01\x0b\xb7\r\x00\x05\xee\x89\x10\x029\x060\x04\x00/\x03\x04++HQqD0wWr_hZP75\x00\x00 \x02"\x06\x00$\x04inbox\x001\x02+\x04+33626320868\x00\x00%\x0e\x00\x00\x01.0\x19\xb3\x10&\x04Ok\x00-\rM\\/\x892\n:\r\x00\x05\xee\x89\'\x04sms\x003\n(\x04successful\x00.\rM\\/\x89\x00' Apr 10 07:39:16 Can you help me understand which encoding is being used? Apr 10 07:43:47 createsoftware: install the Impostah app, and look at the databases that way. Apr 10 07:44:00 it's a proprietary encoding, only accessible via the com.palm.db service Apr 10 07:44:02 rwhitby: Did that already =) Apr 10 07:44:16 But I'm now looking for a way to browse my databases from my computer Apr 10 07:44:17 then you have the source code to extract the data Apr 10 07:44:22 Instead of from my phone. Apr 10 07:44:40 rwhitby: Not sure I understand Apr 10 07:45:09 it's a proprietary encoding, only accessible on the phone via the com.palm.db service Apr 10 07:45:24 and the binary to access the db is closed source Apr 10 07:45:31 rwhitby: Oh, all right Apr 10 07:45:37 I understnad, thanks =) Apr 10 07:45:48 s/understnad/understand Apr 10 07:46:14 Can you advise a way to use this binary from a computer? Apr 10 07:46:28 no Apr 10 07:46:28 Or, should I write a palm app that will dump the db contents? Apr 10 07:46:39 Or, could I use Impostah to do this? Apr 10 07:46:56 hmmm, sqlite3 was easier to use :/ Apr 10 07:47:04 it's GPL open source. as long as your derivative app is GPL you can use Impostah Apr 10 07:48:49 rwhitby: Ok, thanks =) GPL won't be a problem. Out of curiosity, do you know why Palm decided to drop sqlite in favor of this? Apr 10 07:49:04 dunno. they promised to open source it. Apr 10 07:49:19 Oh Apr 10 07:49:29 So there might be hope for the future =) Apr 10 07:49:52 (I'm not very comfortable with js development yet) Apr 10 07:51:21 there may or may not be hope. Palm has promised a lot of things and not delivered on them. Apr 10 07:52:31 rwhitby: Woops. All right =) Well, thanks a lot for your help; at least, I won't spend hours trying to decode a closed format. Have a nice day, and thanks again! Apr 10 07:52:37 and HP can say that Palm promised it, not HP. Apr 10 08:00:08 having trouble uninstalling a patch, not sure what to do, any ideas? Apr 10 08:00:37 rwhitby: How nice =/ Apr 10 14:21:17 ahoi Apr 10 14:48:56 you guys deal with blackberry? Apr 10 14:49:31 define "deal with" Apr 10 14:49:45 looking for a channel for apps Apr 10 14:49:50 and suck Apr 10 14:49:54 such Apr 10 14:49:54 no, this is only webos Apr 10 14:50:08 blackberry suck should be easy to find Apr 10 14:50:15 have no idea what webos Apr 10 14:50:44 HP/Palm webOS is the operating system for Palm Pre, Pixi, etc Apr 10 14:50:58 been searching google with not much help Apr 10 14:51:03 how did you find this chan if you've never heard of webos? Apr 10 14:51:11 google Apr 10 14:51:18 umm Apr 10 14:51:26 this channel came up via google for blackberry apps? Apr 10 14:51:30 wtf. Apr 10 14:51:44 well someone posted in the crackberry Apr 10 14:51:49 post Apr 10 14:51:57 figuired be about bb Apr 10 14:52:21 i hear that bb go to qnx which is similiar to palm? Apr 10 14:52:35 CoolsatPro: not really Apr 10 14:52:43 try #crackberry channel on this server Apr 10 14:54:09 i did one person lol Apr 10 14:55:45 wish was a was able to seach irc for channels Apr 10 14:55:45 weird. blackberry hackers don't IRC, I guess Apr 10 14:55:54 you can, lol Apr 10 14:56:07 on a given irc network anyway Apr 10 14:56:11 you can do /list Apr 10 14:56:16 and search through that result Apr 10 14:56:22 that i know just others Apr 10 14:57:08 anyway, no, webOS is not that similar to QNX at all Apr 10 14:57:31 QNX is a proprietary microkernel, webOS is built on top of Linux kernel Apr 10 14:57:36 well not sure what bb is but i think they going to that in future Apr 10 14:57:39 which is GPL and definitely not a "micro" kernel Apr 10 14:57:49 CoolsatPro: going to "that?" what's "that?" Apr 10 14:57:59 there new handsets Apr 10 14:58:07 i think microsoft bought them Apr 10 14:58:08 *facepalm* Apr 10 14:58:10 bought rim Apr 10 14:58:10 nope Apr 10 14:58:12 nope Apr 10 14:58:28 did not buy rim? Apr 10 14:58:29 and qnx has nothing to do with ms, either Apr 10 14:58:31 nope. Apr 10 14:58:32 lol Apr 10 14:58:35 you are one confused little puppy Apr 10 14:58:44 i read that somewhere Apr 10 14:58:57 and QNX has nothing to do with MS Apr 10 14:59:06 and that operating system 6 was going to last before going to qnx Apr 10 14:59:21 no idea about that Apr 10 14:59:27 but RIM is not being bought by MS Apr 10 14:59:33 RIM recently bought the developer of QNX though Apr 10 14:59:42 which is probably why they are going over to it Apr 10 14:59:51 perhaps you are thinking of Nokia's decision to move over to Windows Apr 10 14:59:54 which is not a merger Apr 10 15:00:21 but since you got here looking for bb help, maybe you got confused about that story too Apr 10 15:00:23 sorry, dude Apr 10 15:00:29 no read that microsoft bought rim cause of there ipad type unit using wind 7 ithink Apr 10 15:00:45 microsoft software Apr 10 15:01:00 CoolsatPro: PlayBook runs QNX Apr 10 15:01:09 and you are horribly confused Apr 10 15:01:16 probably lol Apr 10 15:01:28 qnx good? Apr 10 15:01:33 no idea, lol Apr 10 15:01:40 proprietary kernels, never touch the stuff Apr 10 15:01:41 :-P Apr 10 15:01:53 no interest in bb either really Apr 10 15:01:57 augh Apr 10 15:02:06 looking to crack bb for apps lol Apr 10 15:02:10 dunno how you got here looking for bb help Apr 10 15:02:18 we have a phone we don't have to "crack" :-P Apr 10 15:02:28 every webos device can be made a developer phone Apr 10 15:02:46 like android? Apr 10 15:02:51 nah, better than Apr 10 15:02:53 or iphone apple? Apr 10 15:03:01 like neither Apr 10 15:03:05 webOS is its own thing Apr 10 15:03:23 anyway, have fun out there Apr 10 15:03:33 thanks for the talk Apr 10 15:38:02 lulz. Apr 10 16:06:33 wgreenhouse: lol Apr 10 16:11:11 Loudergood: I kept thinking to myself "is this a troll?" Apr 10 16:11:23 and then I realized, "no, it's not a troll" Apr 10 16:11:55 no kidding **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 18:20:29 2011 Apr 10 19:51:27 Is there a way to allow 2.x apps on a sprint 2.1 pre (outside of doctoring? I used the alpha scripts and was wondering if there is some terminal commands I could use to allow access to the 2.x apps. Apr 10 22:09:02 * phil_bw wanders by Apr 10 22:09:16 my level of nerdiness just skyrocketed... Apr 10 22:09:45 wanted to play an old PalmOS game on my Pre in bed... don't have classic... sooooo Apr 10 22:10:46 I am using rdesktop via debian chroot via the sdl xserver connected to my win7 system with a treo 755 simulator running on it. Apr 10 22:10:57 lol Apr 10 22:10:57 works incredibly well surprisingly... Apr 10 22:11:22 and that was easier than installing classic Apr 10 22:11:41 my classic trial expired Apr 10 22:11:48 ah ok Apr 10 22:11:50 I see Apr 10 22:12:03 which game? Apr 10 22:12:19 already had a number of xorg things setup, such as a customized window manager that lets me pan around easily Apr 10 22:12:28 it's called "stop or go" Apr 10 22:12:41 never heard about Apr 10 22:12:49 my wife and I used to play it all the time on our centros Apr 10 22:13:06 it's based on a board game that never got popular Apr 10 22:14:42 I'm probably going to write an OpenGL version for the Pre when I get time, until then it's all rdp Apr 10 22:15:57 do it Apr 10 22:16:05 looks not that hard Apr 10 22:16:10 bbl Apr 10 22:16:27 later Apr 10 22:23:49 phil_bw: out of curiosity, what window manager did you decide to use for the chroot debian system? Apr 10 22:24:16 I'm using a modified version of fvwm Apr 10 22:24:47 for the sole reason that it gives me the ability to setup virtual area that I can pan around Apr 10 22:24:48 mmm, blast from the past :) Apr 10 22:25:29 if you want to play with it my config files are in the webosinternals git repository under "f3" for fat finger friendly Apr 10 22:26:06 phil_bw: thanks! Apr 10 22:26:55 just install fvwm then clone the dir and dump the files in ~/.fvwm Apr 10 22:27:10 to pan hold the gesture area and drag Apr 10 22:28:32 anyhow, gotta run, see ya Apr 10 22:58:40 so after a week or so of having 2.1 on my Sprint Pre, I've come to realize that this thing really needs 512MB RAM Apr 10 23:05:57 lol Apr 10 23:06:02 yeah I bet it does Apr 10 23:21:01 is the ESN of a sprint pre in the com board? Apr 10 23:23:36 were is the testing feed? Apr 11 00:10:55 Hey all, so I'm in the middle of swapping the comm boards on a Pre- into a Pre2 - just so I understand correctly, you do fully swap the entire plastic piece the comm board is attached to? Power button, speaker, lens included? Apr 11 00:13:01 yes, that is the recommended path Apr 11 00:13:20 if that part is damaged, there is another way Apr 11 00:13:55 Okay - it's not quite damaged, just was hoping that wasn't the case so I didn't have to bring over my dirty and chipped up Pre- parts haha Apr 11 00:15:05 the trouble is that the antenna wires are a different length Apr 11 00:15:33 if it was a GSM Pre-, no problem. Apr 11 00:15:38 those black/white wires going along the side? Apr 11 00:15:40 If it's a CDMA Pre-, not so easy Apr 11 00:15:42 yes Apr 11 00:15:57 note the connection points on the comms boards are in different locations Apr 11 00:16:27 I haven't done the Pre2 yet, but I get what you're saying Apr 11 00:18:33 just too bad, the pre2's parts seem so solid compared my original pre Apr 11 00:19:03 could someone tell me what sconix's green plus patch is? is it available in the testing feeds? Apr 11 00:19:22 rothgar: did you send me an email? Apr 11 00:19:53 @rwhitby sending that right now, but didn't know what the patch was so I thought I'd come ask Apr 11 00:19:59 rothgar: you need to be running 2.x Apr 11 00:20:27 I have 2.1 on my pre+ Apr 11 00:21:06 rwhitby: email sent Apr 11 00:21:54 rothgar: let me know when you've got the green plus patches installed Apr 11 00:22:54 rwhitby: that is what I was looking for, is it in testing? I didn't see it on the wiki either. I'll enable testing and search again for it. Apr 11 00:23:05 normal patches feed Apr 11 00:25:43 rwhitby: I'm updating my feeds and searching again. Apr 11 00:38:56 First 11 sneak peaks sent out. See @webosinternals twitter for details. Apr 11 00:47:13 rwhitby: congrats! Apr 11 01:26:15 * NuttyBunny greets everyone :) Apr 11 01:46:49 rwhitby: just curious, is my original pre- at all usable (even as a wifi-only device) by installing the gsm board into it? Apr 11 01:47:40 Flashpas_: What did you do to it that could render it unusable? Apr 11 01:48:15 NuttyBunny: nothing, I'm just doing the board swap to create a Sprint Pre 2 Apr 11 01:49:12 Ah, yes, you could interchange boards and the Pre- would work just as fine Apr 11 01:51:01 oh really, could it even work as a gsm device? I'm guessing you couldn't get it activates probably Apr 11 01:57:50 well, it will work as a gsm device, you could even activate it :D Apr 11 02:00:59 oh, thats cool - if my Pre2 is successful maybe I'll keep the other for traveling or something Apr 11 02:01:13 Cool :) Apr 11 02:05:29 can you configure a meta-doctor to auto-install specific user-picked patches? Apr 11 02:07:13 no Apr 11 02:17:36 I'm wondering why the scrolling on my IRC Chat window is so slow Apr 11 02:17:56 are you using the webpage? Apr 11 02:18:07 So, I can't handle the wait for this new thing, rwhitby Apr 11 02:18:32 summatus_pre: do you have a 2.1 device with sconix's green plus patches installed? Apr 11 02:19:17 I have a 2.1 device, I've never heard of the green plus patches Apr 11 02:19:18 nope. I'm using noname script Apr 11 02:19:35 summatus_pre: if you look in patches Apr 11 02:19:43 look at the icon for the patches in advanced. Apr 11 02:20:56 oh, that's green? I would've called that blue Apr 11 02:21:41 do you have trouble reading traffic lights? Apr 11 02:21:44 =) Apr 11 02:23:01 hah, nope Apr 11 02:25:21 but in that case, I've got almost all of of the advanced patches by sconix installed Apr 11 02:27:32 oh yeah, great patches Apr 11 02:27:52 'evening folks Apr 11 02:29:23 wait, rwhitby or bnceo, you're talking about the patches with the lightblue band-aid Xs right? Apr 11 02:29:46 I'm running F104a with a screenstate v2 profile. I'd like to drop to 250mhz, but it won't seem to take. Does that kernel support frequencies below 500? Apr 11 02:30:13 updating feeds is important Apr 11 02:30:14 summatusmentis: gimme a sec. loading it now to make sure I get description right Apr 11 02:30:23 very Apr 11 02:30:28 bnceo: no, you're right, the icon changed Apr 11 02:30:33 I update each launch Apr 11 02:30:41 the old ones were blue Xs Apr 11 02:30:49 ya ya Apr 11 02:30:52 I have it ask me every time, because it's sorta slow, and I'm usually antsy Apr 11 02:30:55 :) Apr 11 02:31:20 I found that if you do away with loading themes, it's pretty fast, even on 1x roaming Apr 11 02:31:31 good to know Apr 11 02:32:11 now imagine if db8 was used. *drools* Apr 11 02:32:24 oh, I've already got those turned off, apparently Apr 11 02:32:27 but I believe there is a cap on the db8 database or something. like a size limit Apr 11 02:32:46 I would believe that Apr 11 02:32:56 because it all gets synced back to palm right? Apr 11 02:36:33 anyone? Apr 11 02:36:49 NickNick: no iodea dude Apr 11 02:36:53 don't use that kernal myself Apr 11 02:36:55 NickNick: me neither, I run UK Apr 11 02:37:19 NickNick: Do the 250Mhz option appears? Apr 11 02:37:32 s/Do/Does/ Apr 11 02:37:32 NuttyBunny meant: NickNick: Does the 250Mhz option appears? Apr 11 02:37:39 appear Apr 11 02:37:40 bah Apr 11 02:37:53 whatever, you got it, right? :) Apr 11 02:38:23 NickNick: 250 is probably an unwise setting anyway, btw Apr 11 02:38:38 too low to do audio streaming properly with the screen off, for example Apr 11 02:38:53 I had been in manual entry mode, so i didn't have the dropdowns. No, it only shows to 500... Apr 11 02:39:11 thanks Apr 11 02:39:40 wgreenhouse: My Pre- can run up to 125... albeit quite slow. Streaming works fine even at 250Mhz :) But my Plus won't get below 500Mhz Apr 11 02:40:19 NickNick: There's one UnixPsycho's kernel which supports speeds below 500, I just don't remember which one is :( Apr 11 02:40:21 wgreenhouse: my music had issues when i was using UK at 250. With F104a i was hoping that the screenstate v2 could help since it scales voltage Apr 11 02:40:28 my Plus doesn't like to play back music below 250 on uberkernel Apr 11 02:40:47 s/below/at or below/ Apr 11 02:40:48 wgreenhouse meant: my Plus doesn't like to play back music at or below 250 on uberkernel Apr 11 02:41:43 I played with an extremist screenstate 1000/250 setup for a while :) Apr 11 02:43:13 I used to run 250/800 Apr 11 02:43:24 it stopped notifying me of things after a while :) Apr 11 02:44:45 seems like 250 is pretty excellent on battery though... Apr 11 02:44:54 it was super good Apr 11 02:45:10 but listening to music at 250 essentially kills all notifications, apparently Apr 11 02:45:25 or having anything open at all Apr 11 02:45:46 for me, fixed speed 600 mhz is excellent on battery Apr 11 02:46:05 yeah. probably not something vdemand can address either, since the clock is still slow Apr 11 02:46:21 wgreenhouse: are you on 2.1? Apr 11 02:46:33 summatusmentis: not yet Apr 11 02:46:35 I've been running screenstate 500/1000 on my pre- at 2.1 Apr 11 02:46:38 1.4.5 with uberkernel Apr 11 02:46:57 summatusmentis: with UK? Apr 11 02:46:59 I have as well summatusmentis. Might have to try a PrePlus on Sprint using 2.1 Apr 11 02:47:03 NickNick: yep Apr 11 02:47:28 bnceo: I don't have the cash to invest right now, I'll probably just upgrade to Pre3 Apr 11 02:47:32 whenever it's available Apr 11 02:47:45 I was speaking for myself. sorry for the mistype Apr 11 02:47:56 I actually will be doing a Sprint Pixi Plus in a few days Apr 11 02:48:08 no no, I agree, I'd love a Pre+ if I had the cash :) Apr 11 02:48:21 when I was buying my pre, I considered a Pixi+ Apr 11 02:48:32 man, I love 2.1 Apr 11 02:48:39 meee too Apr 11 02:48:44 and with the sconix patches. dude, it's a new world Apr 11 02:49:06 I'm rebooting, hope to see them soon Apr 11 02:51:33 GL. Apr 11 02:51:54 danke. Apr 11 02:54:29 Just finished my sprint pre 2, how can I tell if the app catalog show's 2.0 or above applications? Apr 11 02:56:18 rwhitby: so, after isntalling the green plus patches, now I have to wait until tomorrow? Apr 11 02:56:28 look for music player remix Apr 11 02:56:39 or type in exhibition in search. should see a bunch of apps Apr 11 02:56:58 summatusmentis: you are now ready for tomorrow's announcement Apr 11 02:57:27 I see 7 apps, when searching exhibition in preware Apr 11 02:57:44 Flashpass_ was talkinga bout the app catalog Apr 11 02:58:19 oh Apr 11 02:58:52 awesome, looks like it works **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:57 2011