**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 12 02:59:57 2011
Apr 12 03:00:23 <PatrickC_Pre2> at least it had warranty left :p
Apr 12 03:00:32 <bnceo> yup!
Apr 12 03:00:40 <bnceo> also got a free Sprint Airrave out of it
Apr 12 03:00:53 <bnceo> but it's not the 3G one
Apr 12 03:00:56 <NickNick> bnceo: have you adjusted kernel voltages before?
Apr 12 03:01:03 <bnceo> not really
Apr 12 03:01:16 <NickNick> i'm asking everyone :)
Apr 12 03:01:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 03:01:32 <bnceo> I don't mess with that
Apr 12 03:01:34 * PatrickC_Pre2 points to oil
Apr 12 03:01:39 <bnceo> too risky to burn out a CPU
Apr 12 03:01:48 <NickNick> i understand how to do it, but just curious if i should turn off vdemand
Apr 12 03:02:49 <Loudergood> haha, I have to agree with bnceo there
Apr 12 03:02:59 * Loudergood killed a lot of athlon XPs in his day
Apr 12 03:03:17 * PatrickC_Pre2 only plays with Compache and CPU Speed
Apr 12 03:03:26 <NickNick> heh
Apr 12 03:04:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would probably kill my phone if I played with anything else lol
Apr 12 03:05:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> I do have my pre2 running at 1.4GHz :D
Apr 12 03:05:09 <bnceo> just canceled my Best Buy mobile warranty
Apr 12 03:05:15 <bnceo> no longer needed cause they have no more Pres
Apr 12 03:05:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> :'(
Apr 12 03:05:46 <bnceo> they would try to give me some crap phone if I turned it in
Apr 12 03:06:01 <PatrickC_Pre2> like the Evo
Apr 12 03:06:01 <bnceo> and I'm sorry, but no WebOS device is just not good enough
Apr 12 03:06:11 <bnceo> nope. we are talking like a hero or something. haha
Apr 12 03:06:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 03:06:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 shudders
Apr 12 03:07:30 <bnceo> perish the thought!
Apr 12 03:10:52 <NickNick> i was using a WinMo 6.1 device before webOS. what a turd
Apr 12 03:11:30 <NickNick> Almost as bad as Android... ;)
Apr 12 03:11:39 <bnceo> I used a dumb phone. Pre was my first smartphone.
Apr 12 03:11:54 <bnceo> and then the geek inside me woke up
Apr 12 03:13:43 <Loudergood> I had an original BB pearl for about a year
Apr 12 03:14:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> I had a Sanyo Incognito (dumb phone) literally :p
Apr 12 03:14:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 12 03:16:24 <NickNick> battery cal complete: 91% health
Apr 12 03:16:49 <NickNick> anyone using the 1350 sedio?
Apr 12 03:20:55 <bnceo> bedtime. gnite
Apr 12 03:21:34 <Loudergood> heh, I've just resorted to having a TS at work
Apr 12 03:22:29 <NickNick> yep, i just bought one
Apr 12 03:22:33 <NickNick> for work i mean
Apr 12 03:23:42 * halfhalo has 4 touchstones... in this room only
Apr 12 03:24:25 <scoutcamper> halfhalo, i win, i have 5 in this room, 2 in the next, 4 in cars, and 2 in boxes in the garage
Apr 12 03:26:12 <NickNick> hah
Apr 12 03:26:54 <NickNick> do you use the ones in the boxes for charging? "let me charge my phone, i just have to put it in this box in the garage..."
Apr 12 03:26:55 <NickNick> :)
Apr 12 03:27:26 <NickNick> scoutcamper: have you adjusted kernel voltages?
Apr 12 03:28:10 <NickNick> trying to determine if i should disable vdemand before i do so
Apr 12 03:28:23 <Loudergood> scoutcamper: I hope you didn't pay full price for all of those
Apr 12 03:29:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 is wondering what this Hulu gift set will be...
Apr 12 03:29:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> scoutcamper: wanna share? :)
Apr 12 03:33:34 <PatrickC_Pre2> NickNick: ask oil, oil knows all :)
Apr 12 03:34:12 <NickNick> PatrickC_Pre2: where do i speak with the sage Oil
Apr 12 03:34:30 <PatrickC_Pre2> in here
Apr 12 03:34:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> oil lurks in many places
Apr 12 03:35:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> anyone else having their 2.1 phone constantly having them log into email/facebook accounts?
Apr 12 03:35:50 <Loudergood> only gmail...
Apr 12 03:35:53 <NickNick> not constantly, but yep. every few days google asks me to sign in
Apr 12 03:35:58 <SineOt> I think it's just a 2.1 bug
Apr 12 03:36:01 <SineOt> even my Pre2 does it
Apr 12 03:36:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/constantly/every few days/
Apr 12 03:36:11 <infobot> PatrickC_Pre2 meant: anyone else having their 2.1 phone every few days having them log into email/facebook accounts?
Apr 12 03:36:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> SineOt: same here, pre2, pre-, and pre+ does it
Apr 12 03:36:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> good.. so its not just me :)
Apr 12 03:36:56 <Loudergood> my exchange and facebook accounts are fine though
Apr 12 03:37:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> I don't have an exchange account, and the facebook is lest constant
Apr 12 03:37:42 <Loudergood> also it was interesting to see earlier that wirc stayed connected (I have it set as wifi only) as I walked across campus
Apr 12 03:38:04 <zinge> FrankenPre2 success, btw. Finished flashing, going through and putting all my settings and accounts back in. Downloading footage from camera to make vid.
Apr 12 03:38:15 <Loudergood> of course the majority of my campus is 4-5 interconnected buildings
Apr 12 03:38:40 <NickNick> zinge: congrats!
Apr 12 03:38:53 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: THUMBS UP FOR THE WIKI CHANGES!! :D
Apr 12 03:38:59 <PatrickC_Pre2> zinge: yay!!
Apr 12 03:40:04 <NickNick> anyone just joining know if i should disable vdemand before tweaking voltages?
Apr 12 03:40:25 <PuffTheMagic> Adora, so we are basically screwed here, the system wont let us use a new appid
Apr 12 03:40:54 <NergalJAF> NickNick on a particular device model? or in general?
Apr 12 03:42:48 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: it is done
Apr 12 03:43:02 <NickNick> NergalJAF: Pre+ with F104a on a SSv2 500/800 with 2.1. I know ssv2 uses vdemand, so i'm not sure how it will react to tweaking voltages
Apr 12 03:43:40 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: The trolls managed to unleashed the wrath of Rod Whitby :D
Apr 12 03:44:25 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: how can I detect Cygwin in the Makefile and make it fail?
Apr 12 03:45:06 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: mmm... perhaps uname can give you something? lemme see if I have it installed in my vm
Apr 12 03:45:09 <halfhalo> I think it sets the I_AM_A_POS envar to true
Apr 12 03:45:33 <bpadalino> uname -s possibly
Apr 12 03:46:54 <halfhalo> uname -s=CYGWIN_NT-5.1
Apr 12 03:47:10 <bpadalino> that'd do it
Apr 12 03:47:38 <Loudergood> maybe better to whitelist a few
Apr 12 03:48:11 <rwhitby> ifeq ($(shell uname -s),CYGWIN_NT-5.1)
Apr 12 03:48:12 <rwhitby> $(error Using Cygwin on Windows is not a valid MetaDoctor option.  See the Wiki page and use WUBI instead.)
Apr 12 03:48:12 <rwhitby> endif
Apr 12 03:48:28 <Loudergood> then again it looks like cygwin -o will just return Cygwin
Apr 12 03:48:47 <Loudergood> err... "uname -o"
Apr 12 03:49:16 <rwhitby> uname -o is not valid on OSX
Apr 12 03:49:19 <Loudergood> of course that looks to not work on OSX
Apr 12 03:49:51 <NuttyBunny> uname -s works on linux and cygwin
Apr 12 03:49:55 <rwhitby> halfhalo: can you git pull meta-doctor and test?
Apr 12 03:50:15 <Loudergood> how about other versions of windows?
Apr 12 03:50:20 <halfhalo> yeah, have to grab git first though, gimme a few
Apr 12 03:50:23 <greenskeleton> weird, -o and -s are the same on FreeBSD
Apr 12 03:50:43 <NuttyBunny> Cygwin-xp gave me CYGWIN_NT-5.1 as well
Apr 12 03:50:44 <Loudergood> there's a nice table here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uname
Apr 12 03:51:45 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: please test meta-doctor on it
Apr 12 03:52:48 <NuttyBunny> hold on, cloning git
Apr 12 03:53:18 <NuttyBunny> Excellent, worked :)
Apr 12 03:54:00 <PatrickC_Pre2> so, it won't work for cygwin anymore?
Apr 12 03:54:15 <halfhalo> hopefully not (waiting on git here to test on win7)
Apr 12 03:55:06 <NuttyBunny> it's for the best, people won't read :(   The funniest thing will be the trolls asking "why is meta doctor telling me that it won't run on windows??!"
Apr 12 03:55:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, it worked fine for me for making 2 meta-doctors..
Apr 12 03:55:32 <NuttyBunny> yep, I made one once while testing
Apr 12 03:55:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> but, it probably is for the best...
Apr 12 03:57:15 <halfhalo> crap....
Apr 12 03:57:31 <halfhalo> CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW64
Apr 12 03:57:39 <NuttyBunny> ah, sh*t
Apr 12 03:57:56 <halfhalo> regex for cygwin?
Apr 12 03:58:01 <Loudergood> yeah, I'm sure there's a NT-6.0 and NT-5.0 out there too
Apr 12 03:58:16 <Loudergood> whitelist for linux or darwin?
Apr 12 03:58:48 <NuttyBunny> bsd also should be whitelisted for that matter
Apr 12 03:59:09 <Loudergood> true, and probably solaris, or that one guy who still uses it will get mad
Apr 12 03:59:32 <halfhalo> in that case, don't forget about OS/2
Apr 12 04:00:29 <halfhalo> I really should try to build it with the ms tools again...
Apr 12 04:13:36 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: ifeq (CYGWIN,$(findstring CYGWIN,$(shell uname -s)))
Apr 12 04:13:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> night all
Apr 12 04:14:10 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: does it actually change?
Apr 12 04:14:52 <NuttyBunny> Well, halfhalo said CYGWIN_NT-6.1-WOW64
Apr 12 04:14:56 <rwhitby> ok
Apr 12 04:15:29 <halfhalo> yeah, and I know of at least 3 others it could be (vista x86/x64 and 7 x86)
Apr 12 04:15:42 <rwhitby> pushed, please test.
Apr 12 04:15:47 <NuttyBunny> ok
Apr 12 04:16:26 <NuttyBunny> Runs on Ubuntu, fails on XP :D
Apr 12 04:16:30 <halfhalo> error came up, but metameta script still ran (dunno if that is what you want)
Apr 12 04:17:34 <rwhitby> halfhalo: does the meta-script fail later?
Apr 12 04:17:52 <NuttyBunny> mmm... I only tried make (the meta doctor, not the scripts)
Apr 12 04:18:06 <halfhalo> let me find out
Apr 12 04:18:38 <RagingMind> I always miss the exciting stuff
Apr 12 04:18:54 <halfhalo> NuttyBunny: see, I'm lazy, and the scripts are easy to run :D
Apr 12 04:18:55 <NuttyBunny> It should download the doctors and stop after that :)
Apr 12 04:19:11 <NuttyBunny> Yep, but it should stop after downloading :)
Apr 12 04:19:19 <rwhitby> we can update the scripts to error out
Apr 12 04:19:29 <NuttyBunny> RagingMing: You came just in time, we're locking out cygwin users
Apr 12 04:20:10 <halfhalo> oh, it errored out
Apr 12 04:20:34 <halfhalo> But with a misleading (for users) message, saying that the download was bad
Apr 12 04:20:45 <rwhitby> ok, we need to fix that
Apr 12 04:20:57 <RagingMind> NuttyBunny, I caught on to that, but my backlog doesn't seem to be enough for me to find a reason
Apr 12 04:21:40 <NuttyBunny> ah, see the precentral thread :)
Apr 12 04:23:39 <NuttyBunny> they keep insisting that if cygwin worked once for some, it has to work for everybody, when in fact it's been failing for most lately
Apr 12 04:24:59 <halfhalo> I'm betting it would be easier to get it working under the MS unix stuff stably that cgywin personally
Apr 12 04:25:03 * halfhalo brb
Apr 12 04:25:48 <NuttyBunny> it used to work, I insist that MS did something in a recent update :)
Apr 12 04:26:30 * rwhitby doesn't care. it's taking up too much support time, and WUBI is a better alternative, so it's gone.
Apr 12 04:26:52 <halfhalo> yeah, wubi (or a custom livecd for that matter) is better
Apr 12 04:26:55 <rwhitby> now, I need a similar shell statement to make the scripts fail
Apr 12 04:27:15 * halfhalo knows not shell
Apr 12 04:27:26 <RagingMind> well, it's time for my moonbat news :)
Apr 12 04:27:54 <NuttyBunny> no live cd, wubi. A live cd would require too much memory for the needed programs and doctors and space
Apr 12 04:32:43 <rwhitby> how's http://pastebin.com/BNLAitZ5 look ?
Apr 12 04:34:37 <NuttyBunny> Nice, I was going for another approach, but your's is better :)
Apr 12 04:34:48 <NuttyBunny> s/your's/yours/
Apr 12 04:34:48 <infobot> NuttyBunny meant: Nice, I was going for another approach, but yours is better :)
Apr 12 04:35:27 <NuttyBunny> Gotta go, bbl :)
Apr 12 04:36:50 <rwhitby> halfhalo: ready to test again?
Apr 12 04:37:25 <rwhitby> script updates pushed
Apr 12 04:37:58 <summatusmentis> anyone running 2.1 on their pre- here?
Apr 12 04:38:21 <summatusmentis> I've noticed that when running more than 3 apps, my phone locks up and won't come out of suspend
Apr 12 04:39:12 <halfhalo> ok, lemme pul it
Apr 12 04:39:26 <SineOt> my Pixi does that sometimes
Apr 12 04:39:31 <halfhalo> there we go
Apr 12 04:39:35 <SineOt> it's annoying as hell
Apr 12 04:39:38 <summatusmentis> SineOt: how do you eal with it?
Apr 12 04:39:53 <SineOt> Let it sit for a while. Normally it'll come back to life
Apr 12 04:40:12 <halfhalo> rwhitby: errored out just fine
Apr 12 04:40:33 <summatusmentis> SineOt: interesting, I've let it sit for what feels like a while and nothing happens
Apr 12 04:42:10 <rwhitby> halfhalo: thx
Apr 12 04:43:24 <halfhalo> rwhitby: is there a way to link to the wiki from the error message?
Apr 12 04:52:00 <NickNick> summatusmentis: have you tried a garbage collect?
Apr 12 04:52:45 <NickNick> summatusmentis: sorry, guess if it's locked you can't. duh
Apr 12 04:55:09 <summatusmentis> NickNick: right. I have not though
Apr 12 04:55:11 <NickNick> summatusmentis: FWIW i've read of a handful of Pre- folks going to F104a and having much better luck
Apr 12 05:01:07 <AngelOfElysium> rwhitby: Rod, please tell me you're alive.
Apr 12 05:02:27 * AngelOfElysium is seriously panicking right now.
Apr 12 05:03:01 <halfhalo> whobrokewhat
Apr 12 05:03:09 <AngelOfElysium> Tweaks broke WebOS
Apr 12 05:03:16 <halfhalo> oh?
Apr 12 05:03:22 <AngelOfElysium> Yep
Apr 12 05:03:37 <halfhalo> specifics?
Apr 12 05:04:00 <AngelOfElysium> Well, it works, but I've got no banners of any sort, my back speaker is faint, and the Doctor isn't working.
Apr 12 05:04:30 <AngelOfElysium> I put up a reply in the Tweaks thread in P|C with the whole story
Apr 12 05:04:39 <halfhalo> link?
Apr 12 05:04:42 <AngelOfElysium> Sec
Apr 12 05:04:51 <AngelOfElysium> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/280358-tweaks-5.html#post2935140
Apr 12 05:05:09 <halfhalo> brb (dog stuff)
Apr 12 05:15:03 * AngelOfElysium resumes panicking
Apr 12 05:15:09 <halfhalo> back
Apr 12 05:15:13 <halfhalo> panic not needed
Apr 12 05:15:30 <AngelOfElysium> Solution acquired?
Apr 12 05:15:42 <halfhalo> worst case you can memboot the doctory stuff (but thats not something I have done before more than once)
Apr 12 05:15:53 <halfhalo> restart computer and pre and try doctor again
Apr 12 05:16:10 <AngelOfElysium> Alright, I'll do that in a sec
Apr 12 05:16:25 <AngelOfElysium> Fire in the hole!
Apr 12 05:35:26 <AngelOfElysium> halfhalo: No dice
Apr 12 05:54:56 <AngelOfElysium> halfhalo: If you're still there, nothing is happening.
Apr 12 05:56:57 <rwhitby> AngelOfElysium: Tweaks didn't break your device.
Apr 12 05:57:27 <rwhitby> AngelOfElysium: what device, what webOS version, what computer, what computer OS version?
Apr 12 06:00:04 <AngelOfElysium> rwhitby: Pre2, 2.1, previous generation iMac, Windows Vista via BootCamp
Apr 12 06:01:08 <rwhitby> Are you running the newer novacom drivers that support the Pre 2?  Previous novacom drivers will ignore it.  And you realise you have the most brittle computer setup possible for flashing a webOS device?
Apr 12 06:01:37 <AngelOfElysium> Oh yes, but it's all I have available. And I believe I do, I used your UNI tool to install Novacom
Apr 12 06:03:53 <AngelOfElysium> I'll go an install novacom again, though, give me a moment.
Apr 12 06:05:03 <AngelOfElysium> And when I say "Your" I mean "Jason's". I'm derping
Apr 12 06:05:58 <PuffTheMagic> thaat name shal not be uttered here ;)
Apr 12 06:06:17 <AngelOfElysium> Uh?
Apr 12 06:07:05 <PuffTheMagic> was a joke
Apr 12 06:08:03 <rwhitby> AngelOfElysium: there is nothing that Tweaks could possibly do which could stop your device from being doctored in recovery mode
Apr 12 06:09:41 <AngelOfElysium> rwhitby: Well, I'm thinking it's something to do with me trying to remove patches, but I was having issues before that. I'm not sure what the deal is, but I'm in recovery mode right now and nothing.
Apr 12 06:13:20 <AngelOfElysium> Alright, well, I guess I'll try to fix it later on my own, or tomorrow. I'm going downstairs for now, and my laptop is barely capable of running an IRC bot and Opera at the same time, let alone a Doctor.
Apr 12 06:13:28 <AngelOfElysium> Night, guys.
Apr 12 07:10:47 <swisstomcat> morning
Apr 12 07:22:30 <zinge> Are Sprint apps supposed to install with the frankenpre2 script?
Apr 12 07:27:10 <rwhitby> which one?
Apr 12 07:27:27 <zinge> sprint tv, nfl, amazon mp3, sprint portal
Apr 12 07:27:33 <rwhitby> which script?
Apr 12 07:27:43 <rwhitby> (and what does the wiki say?)
Apr 12 07:28:20 <zinge> Oh, sorry. meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.1.0, and last time I checked I coulda sworn the wiki said yes, but I will check again now.
Apr 12 07:29:19 <zinge> Wiki says yes to sprint portal, sprint tv, and sprint football, but I had no sprint apps and I did have the sim info app.
Apr 12 07:29:41 <rwhitby> where does the wiki say that?
Apr 12 07:29:48 <rwhitby> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Sprint_FrankenPre_2
Apr 12 07:30:00 <zinge> Carrier specific apps, under sprint, at the bottom above patches
Apr 12 07:30:41 <rwhitby> trouble is that script doesn't actually use a sprint doctor, since there is none for 2.x, so there is no way it could install sprint carrier apps
Apr 12 07:31:28 <zinge> But the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 did install the sprint apps when I ran it last, I thought
Apr 12 07:31:31 <rwhitby> but I guess it could install the 1.4.5 ones
Apr 12 07:31:37 <zinge> (Not the frankenpre version)
Apr 12 07:32:05 <zinge> I got NFL, portal, and TV from the meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 when I used it to upgrade a Pre-
Apr 12 07:32:07 <rwhitby> yeah, the franken script simply doesn't do that, but I guess it could be made to do so with some effort
Apr 12 07:32:13 <zinge> Ok, just checking.
Apr 12 07:32:14 <zinge> Thanks
Apr 12 07:32:22 <zinge> Wanted to make sure I wasn't using the wrong script
Apr 12 07:32:42 <zinge> I'll just pull them out of 1.4.5 and put them in manually
Apr 12 08:10:56 <thynctank> aloha
Apr 12 08:12:06 <thynctank> I'm one of people having trouble with Tweaks... trying to get more information as to what I might do to resolve that
Apr 12 08:12:44 <rwhitby> thynctank: what webOS version?
Apr 12 08:14:09 <thynctank> 2.0.1, which I wasn't clear on whether it was covered
Apr 12 08:14:20 <thynctank> some of what I read seemed to indicate 2.1 was needed
Apr 12 08:14:43 <rwhitby> the only patches with tweaks available are for 2.1.0
Apr 12 08:14:53 <rwhitby> the wiki page makes that pretty clear
Apr 12 08:14:53 <thynctank> ah ok well that would explain that bit then
Apr 12 08:15:18 <thynctank> no idea how to find the wiki page again, though I'm sure I've seen it
Apr 12 08:15:32 <thynctank> found it ha
Apr 12 08:16:00 <rwhitby> the "Homepage" link in Preware is a reasonable thing to try ...
Apr 12 08:16:34 <thynctank> but I might need to be reasonable to think of that
Apr 12 08:16:41 <thynctank> apologies
Apr 12 08:22:30 <thynctank> with regards to wirc, there's mention of the emergency fstab fixer, is that needed still on webOS 2.x?
Apr 12 08:23:20 <thynctank> I haven't had luck with wirc since moving on to 2.x so I'm thinking something else needs doing on my part still
Apr 12 08:24:44 <rwhitby> I don't believe that is needed on 2.x
Apr 12 08:25:02 <thynctank> hmm... seems to always time out on me when trying to connect to freenode, for instance
Apr 12 08:25:37 <rwhitby> times out for me on the very first connect. after that it's fine
Apr 12 08:26:50 <thynctank> when when I look at the log it may just be that I'm already logged into the nickserv with this name? I don't know enough about irc behavior to know whether I can be simultaneously logged in twice
Apr 12 08:27:25 <thynctank> I get a "no ident response" in there as well
Apr 12 08:32:51 <thynctank> eh, no worries, will look at that some other time, I should get more sleep before too long. Thanks for all the hard work folks!
Apr 12 09:01:48 <phoque> will people become mad if I just take their patch and port it to 2.1? :-)
Apr 12 09:02:47 <rwhitby> you should post your intention to do so in the forum thread for the patch
Apr 12 09:02:54 <phoque> ok
Apr 12 09:02:56 <rwhitby> then post your updated patch
Apr 12 09:03:13 <rwhitby> then after 24h of no response, submit it, putting your name after the original author's name
Apr 12 09:23:08 <phoque> ah, it has already been ported
Apr 12 09:23:20 <phoque> the patch situation for 2.1 is kinda messy... :-)
Apr 12 09:25:09 <rwhitby> those who complain get to fix it you know ...
Apr 12 09:25:56 <phoque> uhm :-X
Apr 12 11:19:15 <bnceo> slowly getting rid of the VzW Pixi: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875101038&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL041211&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL041211-_-EMC-041211-Index-_-NoContractPhones-_-75101038-L019C
Apr 12 14:48:26 <NuttyBunny> Anyone knows of a way of knowing the exact version of a library file (.so)?? ldd only gives me the versions of the libraries that the file uses, and even with that I don't know exactly which version those files are :S
Apr 12 14:59:32 <DThought> i asume somone is informed about Error 503 on webos-internals.org ?
Apr 12 14:59:45 <halfhalo> ?
Apr 12 15:00:19 <halfhalo> it is loading fine here
Apr 12 15:04:02 <PatrickC_Pre2> zinge: how's the sprint pre2?
Apr 12 15:37:12 <PatrickC_Pre2> joeb_ how's it goin?
Apr 12 15:42:37 <DThought> halfhalo: hmm, its working here now, too. got "Guru Mediation"
Apr 12 15:44:46 <MetaView> UAE?
Apr 12 15:48:27 <NuttyBunny> Amiga.. yep, hehehe
Apr 12 15:50:15 <MetaView> how's porting it?
Apr 12 15:50:18 <MetaView> who
Apr 12 15:50:38 <NuttyBunny> I think they talk about the webpage
Apr 12 15:51:07 <MetaView> oh, ok
Apr 12 15:56:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> UAE?
Apr 12 16:00:18 <NuttyBunny> http://www.amigaemulator.org/
Apr 12 16:02:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 12 16:02:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> x16 though? lol
Apr 12 16:06:22 <MetaView> it's quite old, or?
Apr 12 16:06:41 <MetaView> I made the MyUAE port for the old PalmOS some years ago
Apr 12 16:06:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah.. they talk about win95 lol
Apr 12 16:06:48 <MetaView> I used E-UAE as base
Apr 12 16:07:43 <DThought> halfhalo: http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=sconix&go=Go gives me "guru meditation", XID 550744394
Apr 12 16:09:51 <NuttyBunny> There you go, time to port UAE to webOS :D
Apr 12 16:10:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol.. have fun :pw
Apr 12 16:10:20 <PatrickC_Pre2> hat benefit does it bring?
Apr 12 16:10:28 <halfhalo> DThought: loads fine here
Apr 12 16:10:42 <DThought> halfhalo: weird...
Apr 12 16:10:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> loads fine here too
Apr 12 16:10:55 <DThought> here too.
Apr 12 16:10:58 <NuttyBunny> here too
Apr 12 16:11:10 <PatrickC_Pre2> here three
Apr 12 16:11:35 <DThought> klicking any link on that pages gives me the error again...
Apr 12 16:11:35 <DThought> Hmm
Apr 12 16:11:55 <DThought> well
Apr 12 16:12:13 <DThought> when i circumvent the company-proxy, it works...
Apr 12 16:12:24 <DThought> so likely my companies fault.
Apr 12 16:13:20 <MetaView> NuttyBunny: well, after xpdf maybe :;
Apr 12 16:17:25 <NuttyBunny> xpdf? tired of the stupid pdf reader? :D
Apr 12 16:18:59 <MetaView> people are
Apr 12 16:19:18 <MetaView> ok, back to real life
Apr 12 16:39:50 <mauro1> howdy ... joining back in to report success with FrankenPre on Sprint with webOS 2.1 after the child-induced bricking
Apr 12 16:40:18 <mauro1> took me a few weeks to find the time to get working on the problem.
Apr 12 16:40:28 <Loudergood> child induced?
Apr 12 16:41:00 <mauro1> child decided to click on "stop doctoring" on the 'puter mid-update ...
Apr 12 16:41:19 <NuttyBunny> lol
Apr 12 16:41:34 <Loudergood> wow
Apr 12 16:42:40 <mauro1> recovered the phone with a punt back to webos2.0 (it was stopped mid 2.0->2.1 update)
Apr 12 16:43:03 <mauro1> then re-apply the 2.0 -> 2.1 update procedure normally
Apr 12 16:44:14 <mauro1> I now have a FrankenPre2 on Sprint with webOS 2.1 and an unlocked FrankenPre on AT&T with Sprint's WebOS 1.4.5.
Apr 12 16:44:46 <mauro1> the OG Pre with the AT&T comm board does boot and works .. except for the phone part.
Apr 12 16:45:24 <mauro1> Does anyone have any thoughts on the probability of success if I were to apply the AT&T Pre Plus webOS Doctor v1.4.5 ?
Apr 12 16:46:19 <mauro1> I'm thinking that the Pre could still be useful as a device to use for Intl trips.
Apr 12 16:48:47 <NuttyBunny> mauro1: why is the phone part not working?
Apr 12 16:49:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> probably no SIM
Apr 12 16:49:39 <mauro1> Sprint/CDMA code loaded with AT&T/GSM hardware/comm board ... I'm surprised it even booted
Apr 12 16:50:03 <mauro1> there's a SIM .. which worked just fine before I swapped commboards :-)
Apr 12 16:50:47 <mauro1> GSM and CDMA needs diff modem code, no?
Apr 12 16:52:08 <NuttyBunny> ah, yep
Apr 12 16:52:29 <NuttyBunny> you may try running the modem updater manually, from an at&T webos doctor
Apr 12 16:52:49 <NuttyBunny> I know it can be done, but I've never tried it, and I don't know if it would work ;)
Apr 12 16:53:49 <Mercury> Heh, I'd love a FrankenPre 2 with webOS 2.1 on sprint.
Apr 12 16:54:23 <phoque> does anybody where the App Catalog is located on the device?
Apr 12 16:55:27 <NuttyBunny>  /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.findapps
Apr 12 16:55:34 <NuttyBunny> lemme know if it's there, I typed it from memory :D
Apr 12 16:56:01 <phoque> correct
Apr 12 16:56:04 <phoque> thanks! :-D
Apr 12 16:57:04 <NuttyBunny> Excellent :D
Apr 12 16:57:20 <NuttyBunny> Are you looking for a way to bypass something?
Apr 12 16:58:10 <mauro1> NuttyBunny, not quite sure how to just run the modem updater. I'm not averse to doctoring the whole phone. Would you expect that the momdem update or a whole-doctoring would have a better chance for success?
Apr 12 16:58:12 <phoque> no
Apr 12 16:58:27 <phoque> my app is supposed to be black, similar to the app store black
Apr 12 16:58:34 <phoque> I want to take a look at the image
Apr 12 16:58:42 <NuttyBunny> ah, cool :)
Apr 12 16:58:43 <phoque> because my PC monitor and my cellphone display are waaaay different
Apr 12 16:58:59 <phoque> my first guesses were strange looking
Apr 12 16:59:00 <phoque> :-D
Apr 12 16:59:50 <NuttyBunny> mauro1: I don't think there's a meta doctor script for those type of frankenpre's, you would have to look into the scripts and see for yourself, or maybe in the PreCentral forums someone has already done it :)
Apr 12 17:00:39 <NuttyBunny> Or... you could just create a meta doctor for an AT&T Pre Plus with no hardware checking and give it a go, it may work!
Apr 12 17:00:58 <mauro1> so it be a wrong expectation to think that an AT&T Pre Plus doctor work on a Sprint Pre with GSM comm board?
Apr 12 17:01:51 <mauro1> only diff is the between Pre and Pre Plus is the added RAM, right? (and of course the modem)
Apr 12 17:02:56 <phoque> thats what you get for not committing early, committing often
Apr 12 17:02:59 <phoque> crap
Apr 12 17:05:32 <PatrickC_Pre2> what's up phoque?
Apr 12 17:05:44 <phoque> I was playing around with my templates
Apr 12 17:05:47 <phoque> and some data
Apr 12 17:05:53 <phoque> a week ago
Apr 12 17:05:57 <NuttyBunny> mauro1: No, no, the pre plus doctor should work in your device, but the original doctor has hardware restrictions, you have to modify it with meta doctor
Apr 12 17:06:11 <phoque> it didn't work. So I left everything as it was and turned off my computer
Apr 12 17:06:23 <phoque> now I have no idea what I did so I simply reverted everything
Apr 12 17:08:16 <mauro1> ah ok thanks bunny
Apr 12 17:14:06 <phoque> meh
Apr 12 17:14:10 <phoque> how do I clear the icon cache
Apr 12 17:16:19 <Kyusaku> like from the launcher?
Apr 12 17:16:34 <destinal> mauro1: modem should be the same between pre and pre+
Apr 12 17:16:47 <destinal> comm boards are interchangeable and people swap between them
Apr 12 17:17:23 <mauro1> destinal, so a matter of making the AT&T Pre Plus webOS doctor pass the HW checking?
Apr 12 17:17:35 <mauro1> which I will need to investigate how to make happen
Apr 12 17:18:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I believe you can fix that in the makefile
Apr 12 17:19:18 <destinal> mauro1: yeah, there's an option in the makefile to disable the hardware check
Apr 12 17:19:58 <destinal> mauro1: are you trying to run 1.4.5 or 2.1 ?
Apr 12 17:20:24 <mauro1> kewl I'll spend some time trying to make that happen and get me a cheapo phone for occasional Intl use
Apr 12 17:20:51 <mauro1> destinal, I tried running 2.1 on the Pre and it was just a littel too much for the device methinks.
Apr 12 17:21:06 <destinal> mauro1: you can use the world ready "wr" doctor too if you don't care so much about the ATT stuff
Apr 12 17:21:24 <destinal> I have an unlocked pre2 running wr on ATT
Apr 12 17:21:37 <mauro1> yeah I don't care about the ATT stuff ...
Apr 12 17:21:57 <mauro1> there's a 1.4.5 WR doctor? I may have missed it on my cursory looking of the wiki page
Apr 12 17:23:08 <destinal> mauro1: yeah, under both O2 germany and SFR  (same doctor)
Apr 12 17:23:29 <mauro1> ahh
Apr 12 17:23:42 <TAoE|Doctoring> If anyone's available, could I get a quick hand with the UMTS Pre2 Doctor?
Apr 12 17:23:44 <destinal> err maybe just O2 germany for the original pre
Apr 12 17:23:46 * mauro1 was lookign for "WR" or "unlocked" or somesuch
Apr 12 17:24:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> TAoE: I an help
Apr 12 17:24:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/an/can/
Apr 12 17:24:18 <infobot> PatrickC_Pre2 meant: TAoE: I can help
Apr 12 17:24:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> s/TAoE/TAoE|Doctoring
Apr 12 17:25:22 <destinal> mauro1: yeah, wr was sold on some EU devices but never a direct sales unlocked version like the pre2 was,  search for 100ueu-wr
Apr 12 17:25:32 <TAoE> PatrickC_Pre2: Awesome. I've been having issues with my Pre2 since yesterday, and I've been trying to doctor it after a massive hack job involving Tweaks and uninstalling patches, but so far I've been unable to. Right now is the furthest I've gotten as of yet, I ran the doctor, and it put my device into recovery mode, but it failed during "Charging battery..."
Apr 12 17:25:38 <mauro1> awesome thanks destinal
Apr 12 17:26:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> TAoE: try charging the battery to about 90% with the wall charger
Apr 12 17:26:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> and then go into recovery mode before doctoring
Apr 12 17:26:48 <TAoE> PatrickC_Pre2: Alright. That may take a while, I forgot to put it on the Touchstone last night before I went to bed, heh.
Apr 12 17:27:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> mine usually fails with the battery thing too :o
Apr 12 17:27:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> but wall charger should have it charged in an hour or so
Apr 12 17:27:22 <TAoE> Hnnnng.
Apr 12 17:27:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> depending on where it is for battery
Apr 12 17:27:41 <TAoE> Well, alright. Is the Touchstone okay, or should I plug it in directly?
Apr 12 17:27:51 <TAoE> And it fails at the 0%
Apr 12 17:27:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> plug in directly for faster charging
Apr 12 17:28:00 <TAoE> Gotcha
Apr 12 17:28:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> how much charge does the phone itself have?
Apr 12 17:28:30 * PatrickC_Pre2 is at 9% right now
Apr 12 17:28:33 <phoque> man, I'd love my Pre boot as fast as the emulator
Apr 12 17:28:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 12 17:28:45 <PatrickC_Pre2> overclock it ;)
Apr 12 17:29:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> phoque: pre/pre2?
Apr 12 17:29:09 <phoque> Pre-
Apr 12 17:29:12 <TAoE> Alright, it's on the charge. And I don't know, I put in a bit of charge earlier, so maybe 15%
Apr 12 17:29:15 <phoque> my Pre2 will hopefully arrive soon ;-)
Apr 12 17:29:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool :)
Apr 12 17:29:53 <PatrickC_Pre2> TAoE: ok, I would think in an hour and a half to two hours it should be ok to try again
Apr 12 17:30:06 <PatrickC_Pre2> are you doctoring from recovery mode?
Apr 12 17:30:49 <TAoE> PatrickC_Pre2: Well, I started it from the home screen, but it put the device into recovery mode once I got to "Charging Battery..."
Apr 12 17:31:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> I would try it one more time like you did (after charging) but if that doesn't work, I would do recovery mode
Apr 12 17:31:47 <TAoE> Will do
Apr 12 17:31:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> I always doctor from recovery mode (force of habit)
Apr 12 17:32:05 <PatrickC_Pre2> is this an unactivated device?
Apr 12 17:32:20 <TAoE> No, it's activated.
Apr 12 17:32:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> ok, just checking
Apr 12 17:32:37 <TAoE> Alright then
Apr 12 17:32:53 <TAoE> Well, I suppose this gives me time to figure out how the Windows Phone 7 dev tools are supposed to work @.@
Apr 12 17:32:56 <PatrickC_Pre2> lemme know if it works
Apr 12 17:32:59 <TAoE> Alright then
Apr 12 17:33:05 * TAoE is spoiled on Ares
Apr 12 17:37:25 <halfhalo> woa... thats a neat way to do make a node service...
Apr 12 17:38:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> how?
Apr 12 17:38:50 <halfhalo> lotsa for loops and its almost all synchronous
Apr 12 17:39:36 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool
Apr 12 17:39:45 * PatrickC_Pre2 has no clue how to use Node.. lol
Apr 12 17:47:14 <halfhalo> well, its not wrong, but it looks like it was written for a non node environment, and as such doesn't have some of the tweaks for node to make it faster/easier
Apr 12 19:30:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> i keep getting the error "This application is not available for your model" on my unlocked pre2 dev device
Apr 12 19:30:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> when the app is available for the pre/2
Apr 12 19:31:06 <NuttyBunny> mmm... what app is that?
Apr 12 19:31:16 <NuttyBunny> s/what/which/
Apr 12 19:31:16 <infobot> NuttyBunny meant: mmm... which app is that?
Apr 12 19:31:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, the SupersonicFree does it, and now the HP Executive Forums does it (was just wondering what it was/did)
Apr 12 19:33:18 <NuttyBunny> Ah, the forums maybe just for Pre3 /Veer ;)
Apr 12 19:33:25 <PatrickC_Pre2> it worked (app cat) fine last night, but this has been off and on for a while now (issue)
Apr 12 19:33:52 <NuttyBunny> mmm... weird, you know the stupid thing works and stops on its own :S
Apr 12 19:34:13 <NuttyBunny> stupid microsoft word... I hate you
Apr 12 19:34:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> yeah.. lol
Apr 12 19:34:19 <PatrickC_Pre2> hehe
Apr 12 19:34:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> use OOO
Apr 12 19:36:19 <NuttyBunny> I can't... it changes too much stuff in the ms files and my peers can't use my files later :@
Apr 12 19:37:32 <NuttyBunny> And so.. Chicharito does it again...
Apr 12 19:37:42 <PatrickC_Pre2> what? lol
Apr 12 19:37:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> and, hay Adora
Apr 12 19:37:51 <NuttyBunny> hey Adora :)
Apr 12 19:38:08 <PatrickC_Pre2> Adora: how's the touchpad?
Apr 12 19:38:09 <NuttyBunny> Manchester United, Chicharito, the mexican soccer player
Apr 12 19:38:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> ah ok
Apr 12 19:38:29 * PatrickC_Pre2 doesn't follow soccer
Apr 12 19:39:19 <Adora> haaaaaaaaay
Apr 12 19:39:58 <PatrickC_Pre2> when do we get our development veer devices? its spring :)
Apr 12 19:40:24 <Adora> soon
Apr 12 19:40:34 <halfhalo> cool
Apr 12 19:40:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> "in the coming months"
Apr 12 19:40:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 12 19:41:07 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'll settle for a veer, but would prefer a pre3 :) or a sprint pre+ at least
Apr 12 19:44:39 <NuttyBunny> I can wait for a Pre3+Touchpad combo :)
Apr 12 19:45:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> both free dev devices :)
Apr 12 19:45:23 <NuttyBunny> of course!!
Apr 12 19:45:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> I can't wait for a pre3 *or* touchpad
Apr 12 19:45:47 <PatrickC_Pre2> sprint pre3 of course
Apr 12 19:46:08 * PatrickC_Pre2 does surgery on pre3 sitting in front of him
Apr 12 19:46:09 <NuttyBunny> And I'll buy the Veer for my girlfriend the moment PingChat, Shazaam and Whatsapp runs on webOS :D
Apr 12 19:46:24 <morphis> someone here already tried a recent mplayer version on the pre phones?
Apr 12 19:46:33 * PatrickC_Pre2 thinks NuttyBunny should make them
Apr 12 19:46:36 <morphis> with recent I mean git HEAD
Apr 12 19:46:53 <NuttyBunny> morphis: nope :(
Apr 12 19:47:04 <morphis> as it freezes the device for me
Apr 12 19:47:41 * NuttyBunny stares at PatrickC_Pre2: I don't make the plugins, I just port them ;) 
Apr 12 19:47:54 <morphis> rwhitby: ping
Apr 12 19:48:06 <RagingMind> morphis, mplayer or mplayer2?
Apr 12 19:48:31 <PatrickC_Pre2> RagingMind will rage your mind :p
Apr 12 19:48:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 really wants app cat access back :'(
Apr 12 19:49:06 <morphis> RagingMind: mplayer2
Apr 12 19:49:12 <morphis> with neon enabled
Apr 12 19:49:32 <RagingMind> just curious, I haven't ever tried building it
Apr 12 19:49:45 <RagingMind> but I'm curious which fork people try to use
Apr 12 19:51:33 * NuttyBunny downloads SuperSonic Free in front of PatrickC_Pre2 :D
Apr 12 19:53:58 * PatrickC_Pre2 deletes the app before NuttyBunny's can use it
Apr 12 19:54:36 <NuttyBunny> meh.... it havent even finished downloading... stupid Telcel and my data plan's 500Mb cap :@
Apr 12 19:55:14 * PatrickC_Pre2 stops download then
Apr 12 19:55:56 <NuttyBunny> hehehe
Apr 12 19:56:37 * PatrickC_Pre2 and takes all the batteries in the house so he can't start the download again
Apr 12 19:57:55 * NuttyBunny looks at the screen again... stuck between the n and the l
Apr 12 19:58:23 <NuttyBunny> brb, gotta eat something
Apr 12 20:03:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> bbl
Apr 12 20:09:35 <TAoE> Okay, I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea to have a performance governor with 1.4 min and 1.4 max. Someone confirm?
Apr 12 20:10:24 <SineOt> performance governor will just sit at the max though won't it? :I
Apr 12 20:10:24 <Loudergood> hands cold? need warming up?
Apr 12 20:10:41 <TAoE> I guess, I dunno. Also lol @Loudergood
Apr 12 20:10:51 <TAoE> It's at...53 degrees.
Apr 12 20:11:21 <TAoE> This particular profile is known as "Performance Override".
Apr 12 20:12:19 <TAoE> I should probably make a screenstate governer.
Apr 12 20:44:36 * halfhalo is sad... tweaks broke on him
Apr 12 21:03:11 <mooneroid> question: I recently ran a disk usage analyzer on my pixi as a usb drive, and it tells me I have about 1 GB tied up in the .palm directory. What is that? Can I get my space back?
Apr 12 21:04:23 <NuttyBunny> no, it's the encrypted "version" of /media/cryptofs
Apr 12 21:05:24 <halfhalo> agg... I give up making this work right now.  And after I had redone some of the service code to be faster as well
Apr 12 21:06:55 <mooneroid> ok, I get it. Thanks.
Apr 12 21:36:15 <peterr> hi
Apr 12 21:36:31 <peterr> jemmand hier
Apr 12 21:37:05 <peterr> hi
Apr 12 22:26:12 <j_> hello im new to the arena
Apr 12 22:26:36 <j_> i have an orig version sprint palm pre and id like to get freeTether 1.0
Apr 12 22:26:47 <j_> in order to get freeTether 1.0 i need to get Preware
Apr 12 22:27:04 <j_> in order to get Preware I have to get quickinstall
Apr 12 22:27:20 <j_> in order to install quickinstall i have to get webosdoctor
Apr 12 22:27:26 <j_> wtf, can someone help me please?!?!
Apr 12 22:28:12 <NuttyBunny> well, that's pretty much it
Apr 12 22:28:13 <NuttyBunny> but
Apr 12 22:28:27 <j_> is there an easier way?  with less steps
Apr 12 22:28:53 <j_> err, less downloads
Apr 12 22:29:07 <NuttyBunny> you can get quick install, it will get the doctor automatically, and I think you can even find freetether there (in quick install)
Apr 12 22:29:36 <j_> ahh ok that sounds a lot better, ill give it a go then, i thought i had to go search for all these apps
Apr 12 22:29:54 <NuttyBunny> nah, once you install Preware you won't need anything else to install apps
Apr 12 22:30:26 <j_> but i can only get preware through quickinstall right?
Apr 12 22:30:27 <NuttyBunny> the best to do is install quick install just to install Preware, and then on your phone you'll do everything else.  It's not that hard
Apr 12 22:30:42 <j_> ok thanks so much Nutty
Apr 12 22:30:51 <j_> im gonna give this a go
Apr 12 22:32:17 <j_> wait i have one more question, the search i did led me to quickinstall 3.14 but i see a 4.0 available, should i go for that?
Apr 12 22:32:45 <rwhitby> morphis: pong
Apr 12 22:33:39 <rwhitby> j_: either will do
Apr 12 22:33:51 <rwhitby> j_: http://install.preware.org has other options too
Apr 12 22:34:01 <j_> nice, many thanks whitby
Apr 12 22:34:12 <NuttyBunny> the easier one is the bootstrap one :)
Apr 12 22:34:15 <halfhalo> woot, fixed my issue with tweaks. back refactoring node code
Apr 12 22:35:02 <j_> nutty- bootstrap?
Apr 12 22:35:52 <NuttyBunny> yes, but you need to install another piece of software before... go with the quick install route, it's fairly easy
Apr 12 22:36:10 <j_> ok thanks again
Apr 12 23:21:34 <halfhalo> sweet.  I managed to cut out a nested loop from one of the services, plus the way the loops are run is faster than before.  The fact that its cleaner code is an added bonus
Apr 12 23:43:43 <halfhalo> http://pastebin.com/VuxhfG3q <-- tweaks patch
Apr 12 23:56:00 <rwhitby> halfhalo: have you sent that to sconix?
Apr 12 23:56:31 <halfhalo> no, just finished it
Apr 12 23:56:46 <halfhalo> well, that part of it at least
Apr 13 00:04:58 <halfhalo> the main part of the patch was just the introduction of the .each function, all that's left is to make the scan service async and switch to each really
Apr 13 00:05:18 <PatrickC_Pre> what's up halfhalo?
Apr 13 01:23:14 <NickNick> evening
Apr 13 01:26:42 <NickNick> anyone understand the vdemand governor?
Apr 13 01:27:00 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO does
Apr 13 01:27:40 <NickNick> yeah but i'm intimidated to ask you guys questions :)
Apr 13 01:27:54 <bpadalino> unasked questions never get answered
Apr 13 01:28:09 <NickNick> i'm curious to know if with vdemand or SSv2 if there is any point in adjusting kernel voltages
Apr 13 01:28:37 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay NickNick
Apr 13 01:28:47 <NickNick> PatrickC_Pre2: hey dude, i'm back at it
Apr 13 01:28:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> I see lol
Apr 13 01:29:05 <NickNick> heh
Apr 13 01:29:09 <rwhitby> NickNick: sorry, I don't actually know enough about vdemand to answer that
Apr 13 01:29:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay nuttybunny
Apr 13 01:29:55 <NickNick> rwhitby: ok. thanks. whats the best way to contact 'psycho? PM on PC forums?
Apr 13 01:30:06 <rwhitby> post in the thread
Apr 13 01:30:14 <NuttyBunny> hey hey :)
Apr 13 01:30:21 <rwhitby> NickNick: show you've done your homework first :)
Apr 13 01:30:43 * rwhitby bbl
Apr 13 01:30:49 <NickNick> rwhitby: Definitely will. Thanks!
Apr 13 01:30:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> cya rwhitby
Apr 13 01:31:13 <NickNick> Props to all the Tweaks folks. A most excellent idea and implementation.
Apr 13 01:31:21 <NickNick> later all
Apr 13 01:31:38 <NuttyBunny> I hadn't seen before, I'm a channel op ;)
Apr 13 01:31:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> cool :)
Apr 13 01:32:02 <etx`> hax!
Apr 13 01:32:13 <PatrickC_Pre2> I noticed that a while ago, and  TibFib is too
Apr 13 01:32:26 <etx`> I hope PC gets into some trouble
Apr 13 01:32:35 <PatrickC_Pre2> I know
Apr 13 01:32:41 <etx`> they are gonna can the EAP
Apr 13 01:32:45 <etx`> shit-can
Apr 13 01:32:57 <PatrickC_Pre2> well, not can probably, but lock down
Apr 13 01:33:01 <etx`> yeah
Apr 13 01:33:23 <etx`> after two years 'm finally making time to build stuff, I don't want them to lock it down heh
Apr 13 01:33:27 <etx`> unless im still in
Apr 13 01:33:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> and it will make entrance for small developers (like myself) really hard
Apr 13 01:33:42 <etx`> yeah
Apr 13 01:34:05 <etx`> I'm like mega-impressed how fast processing.js runs on the Pre2
Apr 13 01:34:08 <etx`> it's awesome
Apr 13 01:34:11 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm a small one person (me, 15 yr old) developer just doing this for fun
Apr 13 01:34:28 <PatrickC_Pre2> have you OCed your pre2 yet?.
Apr 13 01:34:50 <etx`> yeah, same here. I build flash stuff all day at work I can only do some much time in front of a screen
Apr 13 01:35:13 <etx`> oh yeah, oc'd it as soon as I got it up and running on sprint
Apr 13 01:35:22 <etx`> my girlfriend got one too, she is running UK :)
Apr 13 01:35:51 <PatrickC_Pre2> UK, why not F14? :)
Apr 13 01:36:32 <Abyssul> Soooo is HP flipping shit yet about the SDK 3.0 leak?
Apr 13 01:36:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> not yet afaik
Apr 13 01:37:12 <halfhalo> I'm suprised it took this long
Apr 13 01:37:26 <Abyssul> Seeing how Palm nearly had a fit like a child over the VK leak, I can only imagine how HP would see this.
Apr 13 01:37:54 <Abyssul> I don't think the actual SDK has been posted as an article though
Apr 13 01:39:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hope they find the leaker though
Apr 13 01:39:25 <Abyssul> They won't.
Apr 13 01:39:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> and punish him to the full extent of the law
Apr 13 01:39:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> I hope they do though
Apr 13 01:40:28 <Abyssul> The only lead they would have would be the IP address if PreCentral disclosed that
Apr 13 01:40:37 <Abyssul> and that's not even enough proof
Apr 13 01:40:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> they probably wont
Apr 13 01:41:03 <ctbeiser> Chances that the Precentral writer just applied to the program himself?
Apr 13 01:41:15 <Abyssul> Possible
Apr 13 01:41:24 <Abyssul> But if that came out, PreCentral would be ruined
Apr 13 01:41:29 <PatrickC_Pre2> but stupid
Apr 13 01:41:32 <Abyssul> Literally
Apr 13 01:41:51 <Tibfib> ctbeiser: very slim
Apr 13 01:42:00 <ctbeiser> HP might be willing to cut them slack, considering that Precentral is basically the basis of the entire webos community?
Apr 13 01:42:22 <Abyssul> It's not PreCentrals fault
Apr 13 01:42:28 <Abyssul> They arent under NDA
Apr 13 01:42:34 <Tibfib> Derek's breaking of the nda by installing the sdk is his fault
Apr 13 01:42:37 <ctbeiser> EULA though?
Apr 13 01:42:45 <Abyssul> What EULA?
Apr 13 01:42:54 <rwhitby> the one you click through when you install the SDK
Apr 13 01:42:55 <ctbeiser> The one when you install an SDK?
Apr 13 01:43:05 <Abyssul> Oh I forgot the SDK had one
Apr 13 01:43:08 <Abyssul> I guess thats possible
Apr 13 01:43:10 <rwhitby> which says that you agree to the SDK license, and all updates to it on the developer website
Apr 13 01:43:25 <rwhitby> and the update to it on the developer website for the 3.0 early acess SDK contains an NDA
Apr 13 01:43:25 <Abyssul> I guess its time to review the SDK EULA
Apr 13 01:43:42 <rwhitby> which you implicitly accept by installing and using the leaked SDK
Apr 13 01:44:07 <Abyssul> Well welll well... the next few days should be interesting
Apr 13 01:44:07 <Loudergood> is the NDA in the EULA of the beta SDK?
Apr 13 01:44:23 <Abyssul> NDA is for the 3.0 SDK
Apr 13 01:44:23 <Loudergood> alphabet soup here, feels like I'm working at IBM again
Apr 13 01:44:38 <halfhalo> lol
Apr 13 01:44:41 <rwhitby> Loudergood: one would not be able to tell you whether or not an item under an NDA contains an NDA in the EULA
Apr 13 01:44:54 <Loudergood> rwhitby: touche...
Apr 13 01:45:03 <Tibfib> ABC, it's easy as 1, 2, 3
Apr 13 01:45:08 <Loudergood> I suppose one would have to go check for oneself
Apr 13 01:45:16 <rwhitby> one would
Apr 13 01:45:46 <rwhitby> damn, I should have said "one would, Loudergood"
Apr 13 01:45:51 <Tibfib> hahaah
Apr 13 01:45:52 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 01:45:53 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 13 01:46:16 <NuttyBunny> I thought the NDA covered just the things that are in a hidden area in certain forum ;)
Apr 13 01:46:17 <Abyssul> If anyone is interested in the forum thread about the SDK 3.0 leak, here you go: http://bit.ly/goKw7L
Apr 13 01:46:20 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 13 01:46:42 <Loudergood> NuttyBunny: whether they are or not may or may not be also covered by said NDA
Apr 13 01:46:51 <Loudergood> now I know why I didn't go to law school...
Apr 13 01:47:37 <Abyssul> If HP was to make a statement about the leak, where would it be other than the blog? Im talking twitter here.
Apr 13 01:47:47 <Tibfib> webosdev
Apr 13 01:47:50 <Abyssul> webOSdev? Adora?
Apr 13 01:47:53 <Abyssul> K
Apr 13 01:47:54 <ctbeiser> They've got some nerve calling it an "exclusive leak".
Apr 13 01:48:09 <Abyssul> It is exclusive so its accurate
Apr 13 01:48:14 <ctbeiser> And then setting the wallpaper to say "precentral.net".
Apr 13 01:48:20 <halfhalo> "exclusive leak: I took a leak"
Apr 13 01:48:28 <Tibfib> dieter and derek have been silent on the twitters
Apr 13 01:48:36 <Tibfib> about the EULA stuff
Apr 13 01:48:50 <Abyssul> Are people sending them mass tweets?
Apr 13 01:48:57 <Abyssul> I dont know how twitter works lol
Apr 13 01:49:10 * rwhitby needs more popcorn for this one
Apr 13 01:49:13 <Abyssul> I just follow WebOSInternals and some rockbands
Apr 13 01:49:17 <Tibfib> no, but lots of people are talking about it
Apr 13 01:49:19 <Adora> Abyssul:  I'm watching the conversation here
Apr 13 01:49:24 <rwhitby> Abyssul: same thing really :)_
Apr 13 01:49:30 <Tibfib> heh
Apr 13 01:49:32 <Adora> may not be able to answer any questions right now, though  =]
Apr 13 01:49:37 <halfhalo> rw
Apr 13 01:49:42 <Abyssul> Who controls the webosinternals account? whitby?
Apr 13 01:49:48 <rwhitby> yup
Apr 13 01:50:03 <Abyssul> Adora, just one question though, do you think HP will act or ignore?
Apr 13 01:50:10 <halfhalo> he's a robot, you see
Apr 13 01:50:14 <rwhitby> Abyssul: plus another person in case I go all rabid dictator like
Apr 13 01:50:15 <Adora> ha, that's THE question
Apr 13 01:50:19 <Abyssul> Hehe half man... half linux
Apr 13 01:50:43 <ctbeiser> They make it sound like they did some crazy espionage or something, with a prominent high placed source, when it's probably just a kid who got into the EAP with a zip file of the emulator saying "Lets send this to precentral!"
Apr 13 01:50:51 <Abyssul> I guess you popped into the chat because I said your name adora? lol
Apr 13 01:51:04 <Adora> I am always watching
Apr 13 01:51:14 <Tibfib> HP needs to do something
Apr 13 01:51:17 <Adora> women have eyes in the back of their heads
Apr 13 01:51:18 <halfhalo> damn spies
Apr 13 01:51:21 <Tibfib> a takedown at the very least
Apr 13 01:51:26 <Abyssul> ctbeiser: All it takes is one person.
Apr 13 01:51:38 <rwhitby> Adora is everywhere.
Apr 13 01:51:39 <PatrickC_Pre2> Adora: lol
Apr 13 01:51:44 <Abyssul> Why hasnt Engadget picked this up? Are they scared?
Apr 13 01:51:59 <Tibfib> Abyssul: no
Apr 13 01:52:02 <rwhitby> Abyssul: JT has left Engadget, and no-one else there cares about webOS.
Apr 13 01:52:08 <halfhalo> they have better leaks to leak
Apr 13 01:52:10 <Abyssul> Awwwww
Apr 13 01:52:16 <Abyssul> Figures...
Apr 13 01:52:28 <NuttyBunny> Ok, I'm soaked with this now...  hand me over some popcorn too :D
Apr 13 01:52:30 <Adora> but I will say that I think everyone needs to simmer down and let us handle this
Apr 13 01:52:42 <Abyssul> Damnit! why does everyone keep wanting my popcorn!?
Apr 13 01:52:44 <Adora> I mean, all this fuss is keeping you guys from writing apps
Apr 13 01:53:00 <Loudergood> lol
Apr 13 01:53:09 <NuttyBunny> That is a fact... I was about to continue with mine ;)
Apr 13 01:53:11 <Loudergood> good to see you've got your priorities straight
Apr 13 01:53:12 <rwhitby> Adora: I'm on holidays in 6 hours, so I have an excuse.
Apr 13 01:53:22 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 01:53:28 <halfhalo> shiny
Apr 13 01:53:41 <rwhitby> two weeks of gold coast beaches and theme parks with the kids
Apr 13 01:53:47 <Tibfib> noice!
Apr 13 01:53:50 <halfhalo> nice
Apr 13 01:53:51 <ctbeiser> http://bluejacket.com/other/posters/post_home_someone-talked.jpg
Apr 13 01:54:36 <NuttyBunny> rwhitby: So, that was the reason to release tweaks and close the support for windows users in the 2.1 thread?? :D
Apr 13 01:55:01 <Abyssul> Adora: But I love drama! Especially when it involves a giant company like HP.
Apr 13 01:55:10 <etx`> no more windows support is reason in itself to take a holiday :)
Apr 13 01:55:17 <Tibfib> aww, man. I saw #db8 as a trending topic on twitter and for a split second thought it was webOS :)
Apr 13 01:55:29 <Abyssul> what does it stand for?
Apr 13 01:55:30 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 13 01:55:47 <halfhalo> db8 on device be better than couch
Apr 13 01:55:49 <Abyssul> Other than computer lingo
Apr 13 01:55:55 <Tibfib> something political. convention maybe
Apr 13 01:56:39 <destinal> Adora: I don't know that HP necessarily has to do anything, really.
Apr 13 01:56:56 <destinal> but I wouldn't be surprised either way
Apr 13 01:57:01 <Abyssul> rwhitby: Is it possible to add support for downloading 2.x apps in a sprint Pre that used one of the old alpha metadoctor scripts? or would I have to redoctor?
Apr 13 01:57:22 <Abyssul> Destinal: I guess they could just tell them to take it down or face consequences...
Apr 13 01:57:24 <Tibfib> destinal: they've never done anything tho. people are beginning to not take the nda seriously
Apr 13 01:57:51 <Tibfib> I think they should request a takedown.. whether they will. no clue
Apr 13 01:58:28 <NuttyBunny> Cease and Desist
Apr 13 01:58:43 <etx`> Seek and Destroy
Apr 13 01:59:06 <destinal> ultimately the real responsible party is whoever agreed to the NDA, signed up for early access, and then leaked it.  Of course, I strongly doubt there's any way to follow that chain backwards from precentral
Apr 13 01:59:29 <rwhitby> HP should just release the TouchPad today.  Then they don't need to bother with this trifling issue.
Apr 13 01:59:37 <destinal> rwhitby: agreed
Apr 13 01:59:43 <etx`> Rod is on to something there
Apr 13 02:00:01 <NuttyBunny> and send one to each developer here on IRC right now :D
Apr 13 02:00:12 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: works for me.  I'll take one of each.
Apr 13 02:00:15 <etx`> then I can sell my nook color to some poor sap, what a piece that thing is
Apr 13 02:00:28 <destinal> etx`: hey, I like the NC
Apr 13 02:00:43 <etx`> its cool, but its no touchpad :)
Apr 13 02:00:43 <Tibfib> rod for ceo!
Apr 13 02:00:43 <PatrickC_Pre2> rwhitby: that's a good idea
Apr 13 02:00:50 <PatrickC_Pre2> Adora: :)
Apr 13 02:01:05 * halfhalo busts out the ipad
Apr 13 02:01:16 <PatrickC_Pre2> I second TibFib's suggestion!
Apr 13 02:01:27 * PatrickC_Pre2 smacks the ipad
Apr 13 02:01:32 <etx`> destinal: definitely a cool gadget for the money, haven't found a rom I can deal with yet unfortunately
Apr 13 02:02:36 <rwhitby> TripIt is pretty sweet.
Apr 13 02:03:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> new map app?
Apr 13 02:03:21 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs to look
Apr 13 02:03:52 * NuttyBunny looks at PatrickC_Pre2 trying to beta test TripIt :)
Apr 13 02:04:10 <etx`> Adora: you should tell me if HP is building a last.fm app or not, so I can stop wasting my time and build something else :)
Apr 13 02:04:12 * PatrickC_Pre2 beta tests anything he can :)
Apr 13 02:04:21 <etx`> they have a last.fm logo on the touchpad site
Apr 13 02:04:30 <etx`> i may as well just stop and do something else
Apr 13 02:04:37 <Tibfib> etx`: nice find
Apr 13 02:04:49 <etx`> or backport my lib to run with with mojo
Apr 13 02:04:50 <Adora> etx`:  I don't know the status on that for certain
Apr 13 02:04:54 <PatrickC_Pre2> I have a last.fm logo on my touchpad I'm IRCing from
Apr 13 02:05:00 <NuttyBunny> We also need Whatsapp and PingChat for webOS :)
Apr 13 02:05:00 <mauro1> howdy .. need some advice on how to proceed. situation at hand. Original Pre with the WR Pre2 commboard (the other half  from a successful FrankenPre2 operation performed earlier today). Would like to get this phone to be functional as a phone as well as a computing platform. Have downloaded the O2 webOS Doctor v1.4.5, but running it fails with this message:
Apr 13 02:05:02 <Adora> but if we're using their logo, one could reasonably assume that they're a partner
Apr 13 02:05:02 <mauro1> WARNING: flashing failed, move to Token failed card
Apr 13 02:05:02 <mauro1> err -1 "TOKEN MISMATCH: Failed to find match for Carrier information. Prevent user from flashing"
Apr 13 02:05:03 <etx`> yeah I asked in the private forums, no answer
Apr 13 02:05:10 <Tibfib> it is under "Apps at your Fingertips"
Apr 13 02:05:13 <Tibfib> I bet so
Apr 13 02:05:15 <PatrickC_Pre2> I love the camera on the touchpad, awesome pix :)
Apr 13 02:05:23 <etx`> Tibfib: yeah they must be
Apr 13 02:05:31 <mauro1> any thoughts on how to step through this failed check?
Apr 13 02:05:36 <Tibfib> etx`: that'd be sweeet
Apr 13 02:05:40 <etx`> I *love* grooveshark on webos, its great
Apr 13 02:05:50 <Tibfib> dangit I want a touchpad
Apr 13 02:06:04 <PatrickC_Pre2> etx`: the fact that you posted it on the private forums is NDA, is it not ;)
Apr 13 02:06:16 <NuttyBunny> etx`: The new version will have Offline mode :D
Apr 13 02:06:27 <rwhitby> mauro1: how did you create the doctor, and what device are you using it on?
Apr 13 02:06:30 <etx`> Tibfib: actually I already started posting it to mojo so I'll probably release a player only version
Apr 13 02:06:43 <etx`> PatrickC_Pre2: lol, absolutely not
Apr 13 02:06:46 <Tibfib> etx`: to last.fm?
Apr 13 02:06:48 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 02:07:08 <etx`> er, porting it not posting it heh
Apr 13 02:07:17 <mauro1> I didn't "create" the Dr. I  Downloaded it from Palm. I'm using a original Pre with a unlocked/WR GSM comm board instead of the Sprint/CDMA  board
Apr 13 02:07:36 <etx`> wrote a js lib for the lastfm api that works pretty well, falls back to v1 api to stream for non-subscribers and everything
Apr 13 02:07:46 <Tibfib> nice
Apr 13 02:07:48 <Tibfib> github?
Apr 13 02:07:53 <NuttyBunny> mauro1: I told you that you need to use meta doctor to create a doctor that doesn't do carrier or hardware check :)
Apr 13 02:08:04 <rwhitby> mauro1: you want to change the tokens on it to say it's a P100UEU or P100UNA then
Apr 13 02:08:20 <NuttyBunny> that.. ^  hehehe
Apr 13 02:08:24 <etx`> I haven't released it but I probably will once i test it and clean it up more, im not much of a js programmer, I do more flash and c
Apr 13 02:08:26 <rwhitby> since it's no longer a P100EWW
Apr 13 02:09:16 <NuttyBunny> It should be a P100UNA since it's american GSM ... or not?
Apr 13 02:09:21 <mauro1> oh ok, thanks rwhitby. I'll scurry off and figure out how to do the token thing. the Pre still runs fine on webOS1.4.5 (sans the phone/data part of course)
Apr 13 02:10:14 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: yeah, if the comms board is from a P102UNA, then it should be set to P100UNA
Apr 13 02:10:27 <rwhitby> and DMCARRIER to ROW
Apr 13 02:10:44 <NuttyBunny> A.K.A. Telcel Pre ;)
Apr 13 02:10:51 <halfhalo> hah
Apr 13 02:10:58 <NuttyBunny> really!
Apr 13 02:11:06 <rwhitby> NuttyBunny: will be interesting if it gets OTA to 1.4.5
Apr 13 02:11:23 <NuttyBunny> Indeed
Apr 13 02:13:15 <NuttyBunny> But, if the IMEI has already been activated, wouldn't changing the tokens create an invalid profile version?
Apr 13 02:13:30 <mauro1> hmm I see tokens in /tmp, but that's a tmpfs.. where do they come from? b/c I'm sure those are not there (in /tmp/tokens) when the Dr is running
Apr 13 02:13:57 <etx`> HP hire PatrickC_Pre2 to be capt' NDA enforcer
Apr 13 02:14:04 <halfhalo> ...
Apr 13 02:14:04 <etx`> he would be so happy
Apr 13 02:14:14 <rwhitby> mauro1: you use the metadoctor to change tokens
Apr 13 02:14:30 <mauro1> by the way the idea here is to have a GSM/occasional/Intl phone to use out of these "spare" parts
Apr 13 02:14:39 <Loudergood> we could give him a collapsible baton
Apr 13 02:14:58 <rwhitby> mauro1: yep
Apr 13 02:15:37 <mauro1> I'm sure there's lots of peeps with the same type of these spare parts around from all the FrankenPre2-ing going on
Apr 13 02:15:44 <halfhalo> Loudergood: no, one of the inflatable ones!
Apr 13 02:16:09 <Loudergood> mauro1: me for instance ;)
Apr 13 02:16:52 <mauro1> Loudergood, didja successfully get the spares to work as a GSM phone or just colelcting dust at this time?
Apr 13 02:17:15 * mauro1 thinks that he can't be the first one to do this
Apr 13 02:17:16 <Loudergood> dust at the moment
Apr 13 02:17:37 <NuttyBunny> I have Baby Pre sitting inside a bag, so, no dust ;)
Apr 13 02:17:46 * Loudergood has too many other projects on his plate right now
Apr 13 02:18:03 <Loudergood> end of semester approaching and all that
Apr 13 02:19:14 <mauro1> wow... I'm celebrating my 16th year out of a long (due to heavy partying) 8-yr university degree
Apr 13 02:19:23 <mauro1> /nick old_fart
Apr 13 02:19:46 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 02:20:57 <Loudergood> I'm 29, the first time I attempted to get one I was 19 ;)
Apr 13 02:21:16 <mauro1> LOL!
Apr 13 02:21:29 <rwhitby> mauro1: heh, you're a sprint chicken
Apr 13 02:21:42 <mauro1> love the pun rwhitby
Apr 13 02:24:50 <etx`> I'm living the last week of my twenties right now :(
Apr 13 02:25:07 <Adora> etx`:  tell me how that goes
Apr 13 02:25:11 <Adora> I've only got until june
Apr 13 02:25:15 <Adora> ;_;
Apr 13 02:25:20 <etx`> heheh
Apr 13 02:25:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> I'm in my teens still :)
Apr 13 02:25:34 <etx`> I'm sure I'll make it through just fine :)
Apr 13 02:26:06 * NuttyBunny sits and looks at the kids run around ;)
Apr 13 02:26:06 <etx`> Going to a Tigers game for the bday, cause thats what old people do, sit at baseball games heheh
Apr 13 02:32:24 <PatrickC_Pre2> brb
Apr 13 02:38:32 <NuttyBunny> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6UiEuCYXA
Apr 13 02:41:09 <mauro1> hmm per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery#NVRAM_Tokens, would I want the tokens to be as listed for O2 GSM Pre? "DMCARRIER=ROW, DMMODEL=castle, HWoRev=A, PN=180-10722-03, PRODoID=P100UEU " ?
Apr 13 02:42:03 <rwhitby> that'd work.
Apr 13 02:42:36 <rwhitby> was the Pre 2 already activated on a Palm profile with app catalog access before you swapped the comms boards?
Apr 13 02:43:41 <mauro1> yes, I specifically bought a goPhone prepaid SIM with some data (per toptonguebarry's suggestion) before all of this
Apr 13 02:44:31 <mauro1> I had the Pre2 working on AT&T and with data and catalog access (I even bought a few apps and the homebrew docs again under the profile)
Apr 13 02:44:40 <NuttyBunny> I think he'll have to use P102UNA and corresponding tokens... :S   but I'm not sure :S
Apr 13 02:45:03 <bnceo> mauro1: what did you do to get data on prepaid SIM? I need the steps cause I'm getting the cold shoulder at AT&T stores
Apr 13 02:45:53 <NuttyBunny> he used a goPhone SIM
Apr 13 02:46:01 <mauro1> on the FrankenPre2 on sprint everything that I've tried works as one would expect .. (save for Sprint Nav etc which I haven't botehred with just yet)
Apr 13 02:46:03 <NuttyBunny> is that AT&T?
Apr 13 02:46:12 <halfhalo> gophone is att prepaid
Apr 13 02:46:30 * NuttyBunny slaps himself
Apr 13 02:46:32 <rwhitby> mauro1: ok, so the IMEI now has a US app catalog device record, and it doesn't really matter what you do with the tokens I suspect.
Apr 13 02:46:40 <mauro1> bnceo, I walked to a AT&T sotre bought a goPhone SIM and the $19.99 200 MB data plan total out the door was like 50 bucks or so
Apr 13 02:47:00 <bnceo> 200MB data?
Apr 13 02:47:04 <bnceo> is that montly or one time?
Apr 13 02:47:48 <mauro1> bnceo, I came home slapped the SIM on the Pre2, activated used it for about a day or so, ran some speed tests saw no real diff between sprint and at&t on data speeds so I decided to frankenPre and keep the cheaper sprint service
Apr 13 02:47:57 * PatrickC_Pre2 should really change his PW..... had the same one for over a year
Apr 13 02:48:10 <NuttyBunny> brb... have to take out the dog :)
Apr 13 02:48:17 <PatrickC_Pre2> lol
Apr 13 02:48:21 <NuttyBunny> walk the dog
Apr 13 02:48:24 <bnceo> so is just a one time charge of $50 for 200mb of data or monthly?
Apr 13 02:48:27 <PatrickC_Pre2> halfhalo: how's your dog?
Apr 13 02:48:40 <PatrickC_Pre2> goPhone is one-time I believe
Apr 13 02:49:00 * NuttyBunny thinks in spanish, translates in spanish.... some things pass through literally ;)
Apr 13 02:49:14 <mauro1> bnceo, http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-plans/data-connect-plans.jsp
Apr 13 02:49:52 <bnceo> yeah, monthly
Apr 13 02:50:46 <mauro1> I bought a goPhone SIM and added that 200MB one-month allowance. $35 plus $20 for the voice portion .. a $55 investment to make sure that I didn't burn the one-chance you have at activating/registering the phone with HP/palm
Apr 13 02:51:16 <rwhitby> the app catalog tax
Apr 13 02:51:45 <bnceo> ya ya. I did that using someone else's SIM card
Apr 13 02:51:54 <rwhitby> you should get Adora to send you a $55 app catalog coupon to reimburse you :)
Apr 13 02:51:55 <mauro1> rwhitby, if you say that IMEI now is set for US catalog device record and the tokens don't really matter what is te easiest way to disable the HW checks on the doctor?
Apr 13 02:52:10 <rwhitby> mauro1: well, the tokens will still be used for other things
Apr 13 02:52:41 <rwhitby> you can get the doctor to apply using CUSTOM_MODEL_LIST and CUSTOM_CARRIER_LIST, but you'll need to be aware that the tokens won't have changed
Apr 13 02:53:02 <rwhitby> so anything that asks will get the response that you have a Sprint Pre, not a GSM WR Pre
Apr 13 02:53:28 <mauro1> my brain hurts
Apr 13 02:54:14 <PatrickC_Pre2> when rwhitby talk, my brain usually hurts, mostly because I could have found the answer to my question on the wiki (when I was making my first meta-doctor) lol
Apr 13 02:54:18 <PatrickC_Pre2> :)
Apr 13 02:55:24 <mauro1> rwhitby, where in oz are you anywho? I go by melbourne around australia day pretty much yearly for my job
Apr 13 02:55:43 <mauro1> <-- Tampa, Florida by the way
Apr 13 02:56:17 * phil_bw wanders by
Apr 13 02:56:19 <bnceo> <---Bel Air, MD (30 min north of Bmore)
Apr 13 02:56:26 <PatrickC_Pre2> hay phil_bw
Apr 13 02:56:30 <phil_bw> hello
Apr 13 02:56:35 <bnceo> yo yo. wut up
Apr 13 02:56:44 <PatrickC_Pre2> <-- Nashville TN
Apr 13 02:56:49 <phil_bw> dtzWill: you around?
Apr 13 02:57:33 <PatrickC_Pre2> dear Palm, please build a new HQ in the heart of Nashville
Apr 13 02:57:41 <PatrickC_Pre2> Thanks! Patrick
Apr 13 02:57:58 <bnceo> that mean you want a job?
Apr 13 02:58:07 <bnceo> or just want to get a visitor pass into their labs?
Apr 13 02:58:21 <PatrickC_Pre2> both :)
Apr 13 02:58:50 <rwhitby> mauro1: Adelaide
Apr 13 02:59:16 <wgreenhouse> the webOS labs, eh?
Apr 13 02:59:24 * wgreenhouse imagines secret handshakes and jokes about JavaScript
Apr 13 02:59:36 <mauro1> ah yeah .. much more like Florida than Victoria .. me likee
Apr 13 02:59:40 * PatrickC_Pre2 needs help with his Javascript
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