**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 13 02:59:57 2011 Apr 13 03:00:32 bnceo: HP/Palm wouldn't let me past the public area when I visited HQ Apr 13 03:00:37 rwhitby: what was TripIt located in? official app cat, beta, web, hb? Apr 13 03:00:56 PatrickC_Pre2: TripThat is the app, TripIt is the web service. Apr 13 03:01:05 ah ok Apr 13 03:01:20 but, was it official app cat? or beta? Apr 13 03:02:22 haha. I can imagine Apr 13 03:02:53 rwhitby: nm I found it Apr 13 03:04:37 rwhitby, I work for big blue. I once visited the Toronto, CA labs. I didn't get past the door to the building reception area either .. even with my employee badge .. such is corporate security around r&d facilities Apr 13 03:06:17 hmm. my LED Flashlight button On/Off doesn't work Apr 13 03:06:26 2.1? Apr 13 03:06:29 rwhitby: I'm dinkin around with xserver getting it all working again. why is it when I call a command via chroot in terminal it has the proper home directory, but when I call the same command from the startup script it thinks the path to the startup scr Apr 13 03:06:29 ipt is the home directory (which doesn't exist) Apr 13 03:06:37 sprint 2.1 Apr 13 03:06:42 not franken Apr 13 03:07:18 it happens to me too Apr 13 03:07:26 it's the patch where you have Device, dropdown to LED Flashlight Apr 13 03:07:30 On/Off doesn't do anything Apr 13 03:07:31 just wait about 5 seconds, and it *should* turn it on Apr 13 03:07:48 I'm back :) Apr 13 03:07:54 maybe an update busted it? Apr 13 03:07:55 * PatrickC_Pre2 hides Apr 13 03:08:17 phil_bw, that has to do with the environment that gets inherited from the parent process Apr 13 03:08:50 rwhitby: For the scripts on getting 2.1 on devices, is there a detail list of what gets pulled from different doctors for each script? Apr 13 03:09:07 ~utsl Apr 13 03:09:08 rumour has it, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Apr 13 03:09:13 mauro1: I don't remember having this problem before. what should I try to get it working properly Apr 13 03:09:22 probably the $HOME or the $PWD variables, see if you can display/dump those to debug log to flatten the diff's Apr 13 03:10:26 ok Apr 13 03:10:27 "env" and/or "set" should dump the current environemnt to stdout so that you can parse and square the diff's off Apr 13 03:11:08 hmm Apr 13 03:11:44 env | logger or set | logger and then go look in system log would be the easiest (methinks) Apr 13 03:12:33 rod, the main reason I ask is because I want to investigate why I have to do GPS fix all the time to use fquare Apr 13 03:12:54 I think the issue is that the startup script isn't being run as root (since 1.4.5 jails the user) Apr 13 03:13:08 dunno, GPS doesn't work on webOS devices in the southern hemisphere Apr 13 03:13:40 gonna try and take a look at this. Apr 13 03:13:49 phil_bw: I modified the X packages to install and run as root Apr 13 03:13:56 cause I feel discouraged from using the 4square app now =\ Apr 13 03:14:13 rwhitby the X packages work great Apr 13 03:14:15 brb. windows updates Apr 13 03:14:26 I'm trying to run fvwm from the startup script Apr 13 03:14:29 is there no patch tobe made for that rwhitby? Apr 13 03:14:38 rwhitby, you think the instructions in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_Plus are appicable as a basis to do token manipulation form my project at hand sometime in the next few days? Apr 13 03:14:49 mauro1: yes Apr 13 03:15:03 danke Apr 13 03:15:08 if I call chroot from terminal as root all is good, if I call it from startup.sh it loads but doesn't get it's config files due to the wrong home dir Apr 13 03:15:12 mauro1: make sure you save your existing tokens with the show properties app first, and you can't go too wrong Apr 13 03:15:57 I did that already, emailed both the full and commboard swap files to myself .. not quite sure (just yet) what to do with them, but I'm sure I'll learn that in the next few days Apr 13 03:17:53 bedtime for (this) bo(n)zo Apr 13 03:18:22 nitey nite y'all Apr 13 03:18:29 night Apr 13 03:18:59 I'm off to bed too Apr 13 03:19:04 night all Apr 13 03:19:25 rwhitby: I feel like I'm missing something obvious here... Apr 13 03:36:26 Am I the only one who sees the OSX influence in the 3.0 GUI? Apr 13 03:36:42 The media player looks like iTunes ffs Apr 13 03:44:06 Is everyone letting the Pixi 2.1 rom pass with no backups? :) Apr 13 03:47:44 I dunno, last I checked PuffTheMagic was trying to get the guy to come on IRC so he could get some Apr 13 03:48:21 yep, but he's a Win7 guy, I don't think he even knows how to access IRC... Apr 13 03:49:57 tons of irc apps for win7 Apr 13 03:50:02 using one now Apr 13 03:52:29 There, I redirected him to the freenode web access, it should be more than enough Apr 13 03:54:55 ok, gotta go.. c-ya Apr 13 04:36:59 * zefyx awaits the arrival of the myterious man with a 2.1 Pixi+ Apr 13 04:44:35 Adora~ ~ ~ ~ how many Pixis do you have with the orange keyboard overlay? Apr 13 06:16:47 dude figured out why I wasn't connecting with wIRC last night, I'm wondering if comcast blocks IRC ports... because Verizon connection worked Apr 13 06:17:31 hi thinktank Apr 13 06:17:34 oof still have the wrong name on here of course Apr 13 06:17:42 what's up MetaView Apr 13 06:17:56 thinktank: nah, comcast doesn't block IRC ports Apr 13 06:18:04 ^ says the man IRCing from Comcast Apr 13 06:18:52 hmm never had trouble before the move here... maybe somehow my airport got firewalled up Apr 13 06:19:14 will have a look but wifi is almost definitely not working for now so Apr 13 06:20:07 I thought it would be weird to block something as big/common as irc but wasn't putting it past them Apr 13 06:21:04 oh, comcast definitely does do all kinds of nasty traffic analysis and throttling of various things Apr 13 06:21:10 torrents yes, IRC not as far as I know Apr 13 06:21:37 my persistently-connected box that's on 3 IRC networks is on comcast, though Apr 13 06:21:50 the only times the conn. ever goes down are from my idiocy Apr 13 06:21:54 or like full-blown power outages Apr 13 06:22:02 right on Apr 13 06:23:52 I've had more problems with the last couple of point releases of wIRC, it feels like Apr 13 06:24:19 not that I'm having any issues I can pin down enough for a bug report Apr 13 06:25:00 great that my mac is connected to the network via the airport express but the util for administering it can't see it Apr 13 06:25:16 hmm Apr 13 06:25:25 can you do a dhcp release/renew? Apr 13 06:25:49 lets see Apr 13 06:27:21 I can and still having trouble spotting it. About to try looking for the util to download again, then to reset the device Apr 13 06:31:20 hmm wait so yeah why would I able able to run Colloquy just fine on here but have trouble with wIRC over wifi... confusing Apr 13 06:33:09 doesn't make much sense unless your router config is seriously odd Apr 13 06:33:34 yeah and it definitely shouldn't be... Apr 13 06:35:13 meh reinstalled util is no help, will likely be dropping off for a second at least... Apr 13 06:36:04 hmm. Apr 13 06:41:26 no luck yet Apr 13 06:55:21 well back later I guess Apr 13 06:58:29 weird issue, I don't understand it Apr 13 06:59:52 Hey Guys Apr 13 07:01:17 Anyone no how i can change the App Market from Australia to US Store Apr 13 07:01:40 Like change the App Market country to US from Australia Apr 13 07:01:53 SonnyDickson: you can't Apr 13 07:02:01 :(, There has be a way Apr 13 07:02:24 app catalog access is determined on first activation, and is stored on the palm servers as a device record, and is trasferred to any palm profile that logs in on that device Apr 13 07:02:36 so if you've activated once, you're screwed. Apr 13 07:02:55 :(, hmmm Apr 13 07:03:21 if it handn't logged into a palm profile ever, I could have helped. Apr 13 07:03:38 Yeah? Apr 13 07:04:37 yep. I can cause the very first activation of a device to fool the server into thinking it's in america, but once it's set on the server, it cannot be changed ever. Apr 13 07:05:06 Hmmm, Could i give that a go Apr 13 07:05:29 has it been activated? Apr 13 07:05:45 Don't think so, But can i still give it a go Apr 13 07:06:04 has it been turned on? Apr 13 07:06:16 ok then yes but can i still give it a go plz Apr 13 07:06:19 there's no "trial and error" here Apr 13 07:06:31 has it had a palm profile on it or not? Apr 13 07:06:49 no Apr 13 07:06:54 did you get it new, or from someone else? Apr 13 07:07:01 new Apr 13 07:07:14 what exactly have you done with it since you first turned it on? Apr 13 07:07:32 I put it in Developer Mode Apr 13 07:07:38 how Apr 13 07:08:07 what you mean? How? i put the phone in Developer Mode Apr 13 07:08:17 how did you do that? Apr 13 07:08:26 it on Palm Site somewhere how Apr 13 07:09:01 https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/command_line_tools.html#c19162 Apr 13 07:09:08 It at the end of the page Apr 13 07:09:28 So you used #*DEVMODE# immediately after you turned it on? Apr 13 07:09:36 yeah Apr 13 07:10:06 what does it say in the Name and Palm Profile items in the Device Info app? Apr 13 07:10:26 Check Sim-SOS Only Apr 13 07:10:31 Why you asking so much stuff Apr 13 07:10:45 Do you want US app catalog access or not? Apr 13 07:10:48 I just want change the App Store thing plz do you have a link so i can download something Apr 13 07:10:51 Yeds Apr 13 07:10:54 Yes Apr 13 07:11:35 well it's a significantly complex process to do so. at the moment I'm judging your ability to precisely follow instructions, as well as determine exactly what state your phone is currently in. Apr 13 07:12:09 Yeah, i can do it Apr 13 07:12:18 what does it say in the Name and Palm Profile items in the Device Info app? Apr 13 07:12:42 you can /msg the info to me if it's private Apr 13 07:12:42 it clear idk Apr 13 07:12:49 i be right Apr 13 07:13:12 What does it say in the Palm Profile item in the Accounts app? Apr 13 07:13:32 (I'm assuming it's an unlocked GSM Pre 2, right?) Apr 13 07:13:44 Yes Apr 13 07:15:12 What does it say in the Palm Profile item in the Accounts app? Apr 13 07:15:35 brb, in 10 or 20 mins sorry Apr 13 07:15:54 I won't be around then. Apr 13 07:16:06 Then be quick has i have go plz Apr 13 07:16:11 i need go Apr 13 07:16:12 and the process will likely take you 30 mins Apr 13 07:16:32 you can speed that up by installing Preware and Impostah first Apr 13 07:16:33 how does it take 30 mins can't you just send me a link or something and i follow it Apr 13 07:17:34 i have Preware install Apr 13 07:18:09 and Impostah Apr 13 07:18:15 Has anybody else still had issues with the voice dialing app on a sprint frankenpre2 after doing the system update mentioned on the wiki? Apr 13 07:19:47 I don't know not much luck figuring out wIRC connection issues . Just glad I can get it to work sometimes... Apr 13 07:20:26 did get my router fixed up at least but there was nothing weird with it firewally-wise Apr 13 07:21:01 think I'm going to get some shuteye, been up far too late lately Apr 13 07:21:18 so peace! Apr 13 07:36:51 morning Apr 13 07:48:26 * rwhitby bbl Apr 13 13:18:56 whazzup? Nothing new from the 2.1 pixi guy? Apr 13 13:27:32 rwhitby: ping ?? I think the backup target of MetaDoctor should support Windows as nothing is extracted in the offending filesystem ... Apr 13 14:35:06 * halfhalo yawns Apr 13 14:58:28 heya nutty/puff any joy with mr.xtop yet? Apr 13 17:55:19 . Apr 13 18:02:27 .. Apr 13 18:04:44 PuffTheMagic, is the freetether redmine open to public submissions? Apr 13 18:07:55 you need to register first Apr 13 18:08:03 its not annonymous Apr 13 18:09:51 I suppose my webos internals wiki account won't work? Apr 13 18:13:19 "Invalid form authenticity token." cute... but the 2nd try worked Apr 13 18:30:14 how did you manage to break redmine... Apr 13 18:30:38 it was trying to sign in Apr 13 18:31:05 PuffTheMagic, has any of the DNS stuff changed since 1.0 freetether? Apr 13 18:33:10 * halfhalo blames the redmine wiki plugin Apr 13 18:34:13 Has anyone else managed to break the novacom driver Apr 13 18:34:31 depends on what you call broken XD Apr 13 18:34:38 but yes I've managed to really screw it up sometimes Apr 13 18:34:53 it seems that it reinstalled itself so may times that it wont install properly anymore Apr 13 18:35:16 i deleted it from programs and made sure it was no longer in registry Apr 13 18:35:34 but when i run doctor, it installs Apr 13 18:35:58 has the "service removed" cmd window pop up, and then it tries to detect the phone Apr 13 18:36:02 never does Apr 13 18:36:30 I'm looking for a way to keep my kernel from sleeping my processes in a shell script... and then turn sleepiness back on again after a while. Apr 13 18:36:44 this is on windows 7 x64 btw Apr 13 18:36:47 was looking for something in /proc or /sys, but never did find anything Apr 13 18:37:01 RagingMind, what do u mean? Apr 13 18:37:31 brb Apr 13 18:38:28 I'm trying to write a bug report and I realized that I waited too long and there's a new version out. I supposed I could test with this version too, all that's stopping me is if I get up to get my usb cable I'd disturb my kitty Apr 13 18:43:04 sorry kitty... brb while I test Apr 13 18:45:47 RagingMind, you could also check the commit log on the git repo Apr 13 18:58:49 so does anyone have suggestons on how to fix the novacom driver? Apr 13 19:00:03 or, alternately, is there a way to install preware to a stock pre without a computer? Apr 13 19:00:37 th3void: not without a computer, no. Apr 13 19:01:20 not sure what's up with your novacom drivers. that's really odd. Apr 13 19:01:35 did you try stopping and starting the novacom service in the services control panel? Apr 13 19:02:05 services panel...one sec Apr 13 19:03:23 not showing up Apr 13 19:04:00 oh ok i see it Apr 13 19:04:08 its started Apr 13 19:10:34 I would stop it and restart it Apr 13 19:10:48 then plug in your device and go to a command line and run novacom -l Apr 13 19:10:52 and see if your device is listed Apr 13 19:10:56 the path is C:\Program Files\Palm, Inc\novacom\amd64\novacomd.exe Apr 13 19:11:09 is that correct? Apr 13 19:11:23 yeah, sounds right for the 64 bit version Apr 13 19:12:58 do i need to be in the folder path for that command? Apr 13 19:14:27 nah, novacom tools should be in your general path Apr 13 19:14:31 it skips 2 lines, blank, when i type that Apr 13 19:15:01 th3void: so do you have dev mode enabled on the device? Apr 13 19:15:25 if i type "novacom /?" it says "unable to find device" Apr 13 19:15:30 th3void: so do you have dev mode enabled on the device? Apr 13 19:15:38 one sec checking Apr 13 19:16:34 nope enabling now Apr 13 19:17:30 yup, it definitely won't show up at all without dev mode (since the novacom daemon on the device itself won't be running) Apr 13 19:17:32 okay... so I couldn't get usb tethering to work with my laptop, but I did test with usb tethering Apr 13 19:18:15 great, now ill feel like a total idiot if it works Apr 13 19:19:49 idiot noob feeling confirmed Apr 13 19:19:57 * th3void puts on dunce hat Apr 13 19:20:26 th3void: heh, it's always the little things. I've spent hours on things that were that simple before, just going the wrong direction Apr 13 19:20:43 now for glorious 4x4 launcher action! Apr 13 19:22:19 ok now for a completely unrelated question Apr 13 19:22:23 I miss 4x4 launcher Apr 13 19:22:28 whats the deal with classic? Apr 13 19:23:23 also time for glorious 1ghz action Apr 13 19:25:12 classic? the palmOS emulator you mean? Apr 13 19:25:37 well thats weird...in the middle of loading feeds into preware, the UI restarted Apr 13 19:28:24 was there a new version of quick install recently? i got an error downloading a feed Apr 13 19:30:09 "Error reading source JSON of org.webosinternals.patches.advanced-system-prefs-framework-pre-vzw" Apr 13 19:31:53 phew... home at last :) how's it going? Apr 13 19:31:59 hey NuttyBunny Apr 13 19:32:06 getting multiple errors of that same type Apr 13 19:38:46 Has anyone been able to talk to the 2.1 pixi guy? Apr 13 19:39:39 not that I know of Apr 13 19:39:54 maybe HP made him disappear? *shrugs* Apr 13 19:40:58 no, he still lurks the forum... ok, let's see if we can make him backup his baby Pixi Apr 13 20:06:24 is there a GUI option for turning on the flash as a flashlight? all the "flashlight" programs i can find make the screen white Apr 13 20:07:04 There's a patch for that Apr 13 20:07:31 Preware, Flashlight on system menu or something like that, by Jason Robitaille Apr 13 20:09:00 is there a way to adjust the power level? Apr 13 20:10:34 mmm... not easily, you should have to edit some files Apr 13 20:10:48 In fact there are no apps that let you do that Apr 13 20:11:15 from reading the wiki, there are 50ma, 75ma, 100ma etc Apr 13 20:11:34 which can be switched from command line Apr 13 20:11:43 Yep, I assume Jason went for a safe value, maybe just 50mA Apr 13 20:12:03 weird that noone has made it yet Apr 13 20:12:47 i tried the video camera light one and it couldnt get it to work Apr 13 20:12:59 the light never came on Apr 13 20:13:13 weird.. what webos version? Apr 13 20:13:19 1.4.5 sprint Apr 13 20:13:29 Pre, right? Apr 13 20:13:31 yes Apr 13 20:14:11 that's weird, it never failed me... but he released a "systoolsmgr" version recently, maybe it broke something in 1.4.5 Apr 13 20:14:45 whoa thats still very bright Apr 13 20:15:19 50mA? Apr 13 20:15:55 no it seems the same brightness as the default camera flash Apr 13 20:16:49 mmm... that's not too good... it could damage the led... but I've never, ever, read a single post saying that their led has died Apr 13 20:17:01 so, it shouldn't be that bad :) Apr 13 20:17:25 well maybe the default flash is limited to 200ma? Apr 13 20:18:02 According to the application note, the maximum steady state you can safely run the LED at with typical thermal treatment is 150ma. The Pre's hardware will let you drive it at 200ma steady-state, and 400ma or 500ma for a quarter of a second. (flash mode) Maybe Palm did a better thermal treatment and tested the LED to be steady-state capable at 200ma? This is an assumption, so it's probably best to keep it at 150ma or belo Apr 13 20:18:02 completely safe. Apr 13 20:19:22 NuttyBunny, there was a flashlight app that I used in 1.4.5 that would adjust the brightness and had an adjustable blink mode Apr 13 20:19:32 but I haven't installed it on 2.1 to test Apr 13 20:21:04 RagingMind: Really? I'm not that into flashlight apps, I just use it whenever I need it and turn it off afterwards, I use Jason's patch 'cause it's quick :D I should test that app tho, maybe I'll like it better... after all my system menu is all filled with stuff.. hehehe Apr 13 20:23:49 um... I can't find the app I had in preware anymore Apr 13 20:23:54 that's a bummer. it was nifty Apr 13 20:24:28 oh! it's called "LED Torch" Apr 13 20:26:46 mmm... I saw it a couple of times in Preware, but I think it used another service from other guy Apr 13 20:27:11 and I really didn't want to have several services controlling my flash :) Apr 13 20:30:52 wow not smooth scrolling in launcher, time to install uberkernel Apr 13 20:31:20 NuttyBunny, the app's author is listed as jason r Apr 13 20:31:31 yep i was about to say the same Apr 13 20:31:32 r[blah] that I can't spell Apr 13 20:31:37 hahahaha Apr 13 20:31:48 ok, I was mistaken then! :D Apr 13 20:31:56 Argh... laptop .. battery... dying Apr 13 20:32:19 folks Apr 13 20:32:58 hmm... it works but doesn't have the blink thing anymore Apr 13 20:33:19 blink thing works for me Apr 13 20:33:41 you're on 1.4.5? probably missing something in the new 2.x service Apr 13 20:34:40 Perhaps Jason changed something in his API and hasn't updated the app Apr 13 20:34:43 ok Apr 13 20:34:58 the device menu toggle uses the 100ma setting Apr 13 20:35:01 Are you talking about the strobe on torch? Apr 13 20:35:12 you can use the device menu and app in tandem Apr 13 20:35:34 I was just wondering why the strobe function disappeared when I upgraded to 2.x... Apr 13 20:35:38 if you close the app with the flashlight still on, you can turn it off with the system menu toggle Apr 13 20:36:23 Ah, comments on the precentral page, from Jason: "As noted in several places, the strobe function is hidden in webOS 2.x because the js service format couldn't allow a function like that." Apr 13 20:36:51 if you close app with it set to 50ma, it stays at that until you turn it off in system menu. if you turn it on again in system menu, it comes on at 100ma Apr 13 20:37:10 so i think its ok to have both installed Apr 13 20:44:16 well last time i had uberkernel going, i ran some browser speed tests with my pre plus Apr 13 20:55:45 ill run them again when i get home, but it was quitefast at 1ghz Apr 13 20:58:28 What browser speed tests? Apr 13 20:58:35 sunspider Apr 13 20:59:31 I wonder how the Pre+ at 1ghz compares to the Pre2 at 1ghz Apr 13 21:00:01 http://www.webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html Apr 13 21:00:09 Running it now :-) Apr 13 21:01:33 It looks like the test names are repeating? Apr 13 21:01:45 Ah, never mind. Apr 13 21:01:55 Just saw the "loops through all tests 5 times" disclaimer Apr 13 21:02:01 it runs thru all tests 5 times Apr 13 21:02:03 yep Apr 13 21:04:32 What numbers do you want from it? Apr 13 21:05:07 the total time, from the top line Apr 13 21:05:23 6399.9 +/- 11.1% Apr 13 21:05:55 http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4165/35390.png here is a chart of other scores Apr 13 21:06:51 running mine at palm default clock setting in govnah, pretty slow Apr 13 21:07:12 Cool. I'm gonna call mine "pretty decent" Apr 13 21:07:20 id say so Apr 13 21:08:19 considering it beats the evo 4g, tmobile g2, and droid 2 Apr 13 21:08:34 did you say you have a pre2? Apr 13 21:09:04 Yeah, Sprint FrankenPre2 stock kernel. Apr 13 21:09:09 dead even with the nexus s Apr 13 21:09:31 sprint pre plus uberkernel here Apr 13 21:10:17 good lord, its still running thru Apr 13 21:10:58 I gotta run to work... for anybody that was waiting (not sure who besides Patrick), I'm still gonna get that FrankenPre conversion video up, I just need to cut it down and bit and I keep getting pulled away when I sit down to do taht. Apr 13 21:11:10 s/taht/that/ Apr 13 21:11:11 zinge meant: I gotta run to work... for anybody that was waiting (not sure who besides Patrick), I'm still gonna get that FrankenPre conversion video up, I just need to cut it down and bit and I keep getting pulled away when I sit down to do that. Apr 13 21:11:33 22787ms result Apr 13 21:11:48 gonna run again later, doesnt seem right Apr 13 21:12:17 at least its not as bad as windows phone 7 Apr 13 21:28:33 is the esn of a sprint palm pre - on the com board or the motherboard? the signal seems to be broken on one of mine and i could swap out a bad esn pre board into the signal weak one if the second is the case please advise Apr 13 21:29:09 esn is tied to the comm board Apr 13 21:29:47 your best bet is if you can get a phone with a broken screen Apr 13 21:30:37 gotcha i have one of those coming too Apr 13 21:30:49 how about doubling ram and memory with 2 boards from sprint pres? Apr 13 21:31:30 nah, usually what you see is people putting sprint comm boards on pre plus and pre2 phones Apr 13 21:32:19 gotcha should get my dev pre 2 soon anyways Apr 13 21:32:21 thanks :) Apr 13 21:32:40 one last question..the memory is on the motherboard right? Apr 13 21:33:25 yeah Apr 13 21:33:39 lot of this stuff is on the wiki Apr 13 21:33:45 where? Apr 13 21:33:56 webos-internals.org Apr 13 21:34:18 k Apr 13 21:34:24 thanks mucho Apr 13 21:39:17 Hnnnng I'm on here twice Apr 13 21:39:35 There we go Apr 13 21:39:42 hey guys quick question, hope someone can help Apr 13 21:39:48 strestout1: Hit me Apr 13 21:40:19 just got a pre from ebay, seller said sprint pre, came in today, back of the slider says sprint, network on the says sprint, but phone tries to activate through verizon Apr 13 21:40:42 strestout1: Oh dear, CDMA is waaaaay outta my league. Sorry D: Apr 13 21:40:46 called sprint tech support, they had me reset it like 10 times, still says it, they want me to go to a sprint store and get a tech to do it Apr 13 21:40:53 uh...that's weird Apr 13 21:40:57 lol TAoE Apr 13 21:41:03 yea i thought so too Apr 13 21:41:04 * TAoE is a die-hard GSM fanboy Apr 13 21:41:21 thing is, it looks like a pre plus or pre 2 Apr 13 21:41:32 sounds like you got you a Sprint Pre+/Pre2 Apr 13 21:41:41 what did the ebay listing saying? Apr 13 21:41:50 maybe someone tried to do the swap and failed hardcore at it Apr 13 21:42:18 ^^^ Apr 13 21:42:34 well there was already a palm profile on the phone when i turned it on so it was used Apr 13 21:42:45 Have you tried Doctoring it? Apr 13 21:42:46 how have you reset it? Apr 13 21:42:58 Well, I figured that much. I doubt you'd be finding many new in box Sprint Pre devices out there :p Apr 13 21:43:25 havent tried doctoring it yet...reset it MANY times Apr 13 21:43:25 Try using the Sprint Doctor on it and see if it'll let you go through with it. Apr 13 21:43:34 i even have the msl memorized :-) Apr 13 21:43:37 lol Apr 13 21:43:51 i was giving the tech support rep the steps :-) Apr 13 21:43:58 Haha Apr 13 21:44:10 Still, though, try Doctoring it with the Sprint doxctor and see if it helps Apr 13 21:44:11 I'd first try to figure out if it's a Sprint Pre+ or not Apr 13 21:44:21 Good idea, actually Apr 13 21:44:28 it must have a sprint commboard in any case... Apr 13 21:44:47 actually, thinking about it Apr 13 21:44:51 otherwise print would've said....no that's not a sprint phone Apr 13 21:44:58 If the casing says Sprint and the device tries to activate on Verizon Apr 13 21:45:05 though... Apr 13 21:45:09 it might be the left overs from a Sprint Pre+ing Apr 13 21:45:11 I take that back.. Apr 13 21:45:19 where it's the Pre- with the Verizon Pre+ board in it Apr 13 21:45:23 sprint phone with verizon comboard Apr 13 21:45:27 yeah Apr 13 21:45:37 would still have the sprint stickers.. Apr 13 21:45:45 not a pre - cause theres no button...i still have my old pre - Apr 13 21:45:55 interesting Apr 13 21:45:55 im with loudergood on this one Apr 13 21:46:01 but the slider and logo says Sprint? Apr 13 21:46:14 man what in the world did you end up with Apr 13 21:46:21 That's...interesting Apr 13 21:46:26 hmm... Apr 13 21:46:38 If it's a proper Sprint Pre+, then it might be a testing device Apr 13 21:46:57 green dots on the keyboard? Apr 13 21:47:30 yup says sprint, was definitely activated before i got it, no button so not a minus, no green on the keyboard Apr 13 21:47:31 yeah, see what the Palm site says about the serial number on it Apr 13 21:48:03 also Apr 13 21:48:25 n/m Apr 13 21:48:50 lemme check the serial Apr 13 21:51:41 Where would you go to check the serial? I keep forgetting Apr 13 21:51:58 Somewhere on the Palm site Apr 13 21:52:05 I think the page to get the webOS doctors Apr 13 21:52:10 Oh okay Apr 13 21:53:07 palm.com/rom should work Apr 13 21:54:07 That's where I just went. It's interesting, all of the links there on the support pages point to the home page. Apr 13 21:54:44 glad to know that my $50 Pixi+ will be rocking with the program fairly soon on 2.1. Apr 13 21:55:00 hehe, what makes you so sure? Apr 13 21:55:21 Dreams and unicorn dust. Apr 13 21:55:37 Pixi dust? :D Apr 13 21:55:48 8d Apr 13 21:55:50 8D Apr 13 21:56:09 No. Unicorn pony dust. 83 Apr 13 21:56:28 Pixi dust. srsface.png Apr 13 21:56:28 … I've got the paint to do a sparkly pearlescent pony custom all ready to go. e_e Apr 13 21:56:37 Hahaha Apr 13 21:57:28 nuttybunny: because, i believe in you :D Apr 13 21:57:30 Time to do this, I modified Meta Doctor so our friend can use the backup target to back his Pixi, and some other targets, while still maintaining the restriction of not working for windows for actually creating doctors. I hope Rod won't get mad ;) Apr 13 21:57:31 and chinaman. Apr 13 21:58:10